That's a good trick tho, buy and set up the router for your neighbor that way you can pre-configure it to whatever settings you like, they might even let you place it in a spot where you can get better coverage.
Home is also where the internet randomly dies for no apparent reason, and you can't tell if it's your cheaply made consumer appliance or your penny pinching ISP, who always claim the problem is with your equipment. (Even when you can ping the CMTS but trace routes die just after that same CMTS.)
Hey there, Juniper employee here. I have to admit the branding on machine learning and AI isn't great but there is a reason for it. It's mainly because Mist has multiple AI systems working together, but there are two main ones. The first(not marvis) finds and corrects problems- and detects if the changes it made to the network had good or bad results. The second is Marvis itself which was shown in the video. I do agree with you that saying machine learning and AI is redundant, and I'm hoping our marketing department is going to change the way we describe it.
I once had a cell phone where some of the buttons stopped working properly. They told me maybe it had water damage from the moisture in my breath from talking into it & water damage wasn't covered under warranty. ...Yep.
@@stevenclark2188 Sure, but both NLP and ML are subsets of AI. If that's what they meant, the script should have read "combines machine learning and natural language parsing"
@@AakashKumar-gt9ip I can't remember the last time I've ground my teeth so much, on any sponsored video. And frustratingly, all the rest of it (which only got a passing mention) looks fine.
It's great at quickly telling you where the problem is, and if it's a problem with your wifi/switches or something else like DNS configuration, missing VLANs, DHCP server, etc.
The video really cant showcase the real benefits of the AI which is more helpful in larger enterprise environments. I'm talking sites with like 20 plus APs for coverage. The AI and cloud systems allow the APs to talk to each other and auto adjusts certain settings like radio antenna power for example to improve the performance of the network. The cloud and AI systems are there to decentralize the contoller adjustments.
At points of error/mishap not like all the time. Also most of these are network level captures not exact data fragments. It seems like Juniper knows what it is doing xD
@@utkarsh1874 when you are not able to connect to the network or you are not able to go to any websites. What will be on those packet captures?. Atmost authentication passwords for the wireless.
The issue with cloud controlled local systems, is when there's an issue that affects you that's not a high priority for them. There's less likely to be a workaround or downgrade path for a cloud system. We've recently had a workflow breaking system from another provider that's got a resolution deployment time measured in *months*
They have a checkbox where they retain their config locally so even if they get knocked offline, they can communicate between themselves over their 3rd "scanning" radio to cooperate with each other.
@@jozefaz okay, that doesn't help you if you've a pressing need to *change* that config and the damn website won't apply the changes. I didn't mention the management service becoming unavailable.
@@MikeHayward if you still have site connectivity but unreliable remote site internet (MPLS + local INET breakout hybrid) then you might be interested in their “Edge” appliance. You can proxy connectivity back through it to a more reliable central site then hit the cloud. If you’re worried about connectivity, they run on multi-region AWS and GCP both. If those go down you have bigger issues...
@@jozefaz are you...reading my comments? I'm not talking about connectivity to the cloud. I'm saying if there's a bug *in* a cloud management platform, you're less likely to be able to resolve it than with full console access and local management with firmware downgrades and other steps as possible resolutions.
makes great video when it all just happens though..... like the final of the watching paint dry championship....... oh wait he blinked.... yep no still watching....... riveting stuff.
And this is what will happen: You'll upgrade the Wi-Fi. Then your server is gonna be full, so you'll buy a new server/upgrade the existing new new Whonnock. Then your network has a bottleneck so you'll upgrade it. Then you'll buy 18k Cameras, so you'll upgrade your editors workstations to dual 3090s and Zen 3 32-core Threadrippers. And then your storage will be full... And so on.
Yeah, but this has Marvis, if you look at the video where the AP was not online anymore, usually you would go back and forth to figure what happened, Marvis did that in 2 seconds, when asked to troubleshoot the device he came up with "Device Disconnected" You can't pay enough for this amount of AI
@@AndiKola Yeah, but like, why do I need AI to tell me the device is disconnected, if for example, the Meraki Dashboard can tell me "Device Disconnected" without dealing with a conversational AI. This feature isn't THAT cool if you're in the enterprise space, where proper logging and management make these kind of events non existent to begin with.
@@5urg3x Everything is a subscription. If you want reliable gear and support you pay. If you cant pay go with pro-sumer stuff and suffer. It costs money to do business. Besides, you can pre-pay for 7 year licenses. By then your replacing the AP with new tech anyway...
That would drive me crazy, I would put them side by side and play MS flight simulator EDIT: wait that would drive me just as crazy with the bevel in the middle, I need to think before I post lol
@@ElArboool their point is that this isn't normal for an LTT video. I've been watching LTT for years and even sponsored videos aren't this ridiculously pointed.
@@ElArboool Yeah, what Bradley said. Usually with an LTT showcase, you get LTT looking at a product with a few talking points. This felt very much like the client gave them a script and they read it.
This showcase doesn't really showcase the reasons to get Mist. To start LTT is more consumer focused as a channel so as an enterprise product this doesn't match the majority of the UA-cam audience. Secondly the major selling points of these APs is best showcased in large enterprises (like billions in sales) because they will have sites with 20+ of these acting in concert based on the cloud and AI features.
"And store it in the cloud" so it's storing employee's personal information in the cloud without their permission, or even their consent? That's a big ol' fine waiting to happen, because at least where I live, that's highly illegal. Yes, even if it's in the employment contract.
@@ilovefunnyamv2nd well some data/ resources for you work on the local network is usually only accessible while Inside the network. A VPN would prevent you from accessing that. Moreover It is my understanding that if IT finds a lot of encrypted traffic, they would want to block that, and it would be trivial to block it (again, i think that's the case, not sure)
According to juniper's datasheets, the data is in private and protected clouds where there is only highly limited access from juniper's side. This still doesn't change the fact that all that data is in a cloud.
You can see in Linus’s eyes how much he wanted to make fun of Marvis for being a gimmick, but its a sponsored video and he’s getting a Wi-fi upgrade for free so he can’t.
@@zephyrczn Its a feature that I highly doubt trained IT professionals would ever use, as it is just an extra step to do something they already know how to do. I did not mention anything about other manufacturers.
@@peterxiong3367 okay I understand. Just a shiny new feature then. I know you didn't reference ant other manufacturers, just curious if Cisco or any other competitors have something similar.
There is not much comparison. Juniper is enterprise level while UniFi is consumer grade. Juniper will be much more advanced, more complex and more expensive. You can download a data sheet and take a look.
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200-ish APs vs. 1k+ APs. They just don't compare. At home UniFi is enough.
Juniper switches actually do typically work I have yet to run into an issue with them yet. Just about every major gas station uses them. Back in training I was told I would have to swap these out a lot. I have yet to actually do so. Great product would recommend
@ANTHONY YOUNG yes there is still the monthly fee for the service. For people serious about their wifi though it doesn't get much better than the Mist APs. There's a lot you can do with these things not mentioned directly in the video, even more so if you have access to the switch they are all connected to
@@bradygough8781 for the average home user it's probably overkill. Had a client with thick stone walls and metal roofing, 3 story house and with a basement, they worked well for him. I would consider that an unusual circumstance though. The wifi range and speed is excellent, but you use a product like this for the extra features it provides. If you just want wifi range and throughput then this product isn't for you
We use Juniper stuff at work and regularly have to RMA these switches once a year... For nearly all our switches... And the replacements go bad too.. so it does make sense that they would have a video about troubleshooting because you'll have to do a lot! We had a support plan with a 3rd party company to help keep these things alive, but after two years I can almost always do it faster lol
@asdrubale bisanzio keep in mind that juniper is business oriented, so these features are obsolete for home users. You also can't buy these from juniper as a private user.
I was going to say the same thing. The first thing I noticed is the desktop interface even looks similar to the old interface that Ubiquiti had years ago.
Don't forget that it isn't all about features. Especially not in the enterprise world. Support and stable software are way more important. And we all know Ubiquiti doesn't have those.
IT Guy here - I've used Meraki, Aruba, Ubiquiti and generic WiFi systems never a juniper not to say I don't want to because damn I'd love it, I use Ubiquiti at home and Aruba at a client site, if it works I don't use the portals... Simple if there can be a system that links to device management for cases like DNS or host name issues and actively change them 😘❤️🤑 thanks for coming to my TED talk
That is more than likely still in place. This was a sponsored video. I can't imagine this is staying long if they didn't even bother to mount the routers on the wall.
I am going from being a auto tech that's ASE certified still to being a Network Admin in the next couple of years. I see some use's for this approach to network troubleshooting, but it's better suited for a home network or a small business use.
As a network engineer I done really think a chat bot is going to be much help especially with people breathing down my neck from an outage this seems to me like they are playing catch up with Cisco and their Meraki system
and not having to replace an entire network of other enterprise grade equipment like cisco's that are proprietary so you can tell your users that they fat fingered a 3 where a 2 needs to be.
we use access point at our contracted buildings for my company and its an untamed beast, wifi is allways iffy. you may find that if the access point is not configured or certain devices have things like private address on "cough cough" apple, you may run into some problems with the connection. Some modern devices like to flap betweeen different access points aswell which seems to be a common issue so make sure that the 2.4ghz and the 5ghz channels are not overlapping to improve the connection.
Feel like some people might feel off about this system knowing just about everything about your device when connected to the wifi. But that's how it works already, the difference is this system let's you troubleshoot and fix issues quite easily plus you can see everything the system tracks anyways. So honestly this is quite a cool wifi system just based on that alone.
And exactly what they are doing on each of their connected devices, creepy is an understatement. I would say this is a breach of personal privacy. Edit: All those private packets also go straight into the Juniper's cloud, so even more horrible stuff.
This wifi based location based tracking has been around for a long time. For personal devices most modern smartphones now have features like auto Mac spoofing which makes this almost useless especially if the user disables wifi and turns it on somewhere else.
@@nepnep6894 I don't see how Mac spoofing can help when a unique username/password combo is still telling me who this user is. With some basic fingerprinting most systems can even tell me what device it is.
PCAP logs stored in the cloud with dynamic capture will make the NSA very happy indeed. Ideally everything should be TLS encrypted but a lot of internal network traffic can now be swept for plaintext keys.
Everyone here worried about client telemetry (aside from the cloud aspect) must not realize that enterprise-grade wireless & wired network systems have already been collecting this info for years.
That's the same type of interface for the Cisco Meraki systems! I think Juniper Networks got inspired by it! Tho I didn't hear anything about yearly license needed per device like Cisco.
3:51 They literally just overlaid a circle-gradient, no calculation involved there. I mean seriously, this thing has all the wall data it needs to do a rough radio simulation and these motherf*ckers just overlay a damn circle? This is enough to make Linus go "Wow that's so awesome!"? bruh...
This is a great small to medium office solution. Alot of Enterprise don’t use cloud functionality due to privacy or run private clouds which not all vendors have solutions for. I would love to see you review the new Aruba 635 which is about to be released which supports the full 6Ghz on WiFi 6 which Canada just approved all 1200MHz of 6Ghz on May 19 2021. They have a cloud ZTP (zero touch provisioning) solution called Central.
Rather than unplug and replug the AP, you can cycle the switch port down and up through the switch's management console, this will cycle the POE off and on which effectively is the same as unplugging and replugging it, except doing it through the switch you don't have to get a ladder out if your AP is ceiling mounted. If you want to get really fancy, you can leverage some network automation software to automatically tell the switch the cycle the relevant port when an AP loses connectivity.
Being an Aruba TAC engineer It generally is configuration issues that cause these problems. Interesting AI use that finds the problem pretty quickly, but I wonder how it would handle a more complex issue.
Oh cool, juniper mist. I wrote part of a whole bachelor's thesis about this in comparison to other such systems. Also, the EX series' JunOS configuration is the best, I kinda love that environment. Only problem is that you can't buy juniper stuff straight from them as a private user, since they're pretty much b2b only.
@@nepnep6894 Junos cli is generally excellent. Much better than IOS. You can also make a bunch of changes and then commit them all in one go so you've got fewer worries about accidentally disconnecting your management session halfway through the changes you've got to make. You can also do an automatic rollback if you don't confirm the changes. That's not to say that Juniper is perfect (their firewalls suck compared to Palo Alto) but for route and switch they're pretty good.
@@1anwrang13r Don't forget the "commit confirmed". You can commit changes and if it doesn't work, it triggers an automatic rollback, without the need of a reboot as IOS. Also automatically junos devices stores previous configs, and you can invoke them with a "rollback ". As they split control and data planes, there are less issues.
Definitely overkill for home usage, but when you are running a business it may be super useful. Having logs of every device, knowing where they are and what they are doing etc
Linus, I do not need a fancy set of APs. All I am going to do this week is to hook up all of my 32 APs to a switch that is next to my desk so I can simply restart them REAL QUICK to fix 95% of the issues within minutes! Who is the hero now?!?
It's always nice to see competition with Cisco Meraki, it would be nice to see some comparisons of Firewalls, along with the level of technical phone support they offer. Anything that doesn't have a subscription is likely no good good reliability because eventually the software will break and you'll lose functionality if they don't get recurring revenue to support it.
not sure i understand the question. maybe it's like most RAM is lifetime warranty (limited to RAM that wasn't subjected to water or a hammer) It would explain the humidity and pressure sensor.
To cover their ass for stuff that their warranty can't really reasonably cover. So if it just breaks for no real reason, they'll replace, but if you dropped it, they probably wouldn't cover that.
Linus always makes videos about stuff that has been relevant to me during the time they release, I've just been thinking about getting my Wi-Fi fixed, except that I'm dirt poor and will just do it with a cheap Wi-Fi repeater.
Wow, they killed it with these! I may need an upgrade myself... Also, I def appreciate (I mean don't) the callout as I am currently watching YT on my phone while sitting next to my desktop... 😑
For home, I use the tp-link Deco M9 system and it's been running pretty well. The Juniper is scarily smart I'll give them that, like more tracking etc lol
Comments: I’m not an IT pro and when my AP doesn’t work, I reach over and unplug it and plug it back. Actual IT pro: yeah we have over 1000 APs across 15 campuses with more than 30,000 daily clients, but you do you, boo. Mist is awesome and we love it.
Well our MX240 and EX switches don't have a marvis and the old web interface only works in internet explorer 6 but i prefer junos cli anyway. Juniper does a really good job at designing admin friendly devices though so I was able to work into it in just a few minutes and there is not much that can really go wrong.
You hit the nail on the head so hard with the roaming thing. I dont know what it is about xiaomi phones preferring 2.4ghz acces points, but I had to rename the 2.4 and 5 bands differently, so that my phone is only aware of the 5 network. I already only have 2.4 enabled because some dumb smart appliances only work with 2.4. Like my yeelight or the washing machine. Its so unnecessarly complex to have an SSID5 and an SSID2.4
Linus: "There's nothing more annoying . . . than troubleshooting wifi issues."
Printers: *allow us to introduce ourselves.*
nub
Wtf is a printer?
“Your printer is warming up…”
after printing 15 pages lol
Freaking hate printers 🤣🤣
have you heard of security equipments such as Cameras, access control etc in a closed VLAN ^^
I definitely need a Wi-Fi upgrade but I don't think my neighbor is in any hurry.
🔥🔥
His speeds suck .
Getting 20Mbps
That's a good trick tho, buy and set up the router for your neighbor that way you can pre-configure it to whatever settings you like, they might even let you place it in a spot where you can get better coverage.
So the Wi-Fi combination is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5...the same combination they have on their luggage
@@outsideredge not anymore since they got hacked. It's now 54321.
"Mom, can we get Jarvis."
Mom, "We have Jarvis at home"
Jarvis at home: Marvis
The Mum friendly version of Jarvis
Get it? Mum (M) Jarvis (arvis) Marvis
@@ghejnuni 🤣🤣🤣
@@ghejnuni 😂😂😂
@@ghejnuni slaps knee*
Home is where the Wi-Fi connects automatically
Couldn't be more true
Says the guy who has never travelled, nor stayed with a large hotel chain. 😂
So McDonald's?
Home is also where the internet randomly dies for no apparent reason, and you can't tell if it's your cheaply made consumer appliance or your penny pinching ISP, who always claim the problem is with your equipment. (Even when you can ping the CMTS but trace routes die just after that same CMTS.)
So my home is in my work?
That horizontal bezel line is just god awful in a full scaled window
You can kind of tell when Linus doesn’t have his heart in it…
It’s probably coz it combines machine learning and AI
Hey there, Juniper employee here. I have to admit the branding on machine learning and AI isn't great but there is a reason for it. It's mainly because Mist has multiple AI systems working together, but there are two main ones. The first(not marvis) finds and corrects problems- and detects if the changes it made to the network had good or bad results. The second is Marvis itself which was shown in the video. I do agree with you that saying machine learning and AI is redundant, and I'm hoping our marketing department is going to change the way we describe it.
The humidity temperature pressure sensor is probably there just to let them know when to void your lifetime warranty.
🤫😂😂
They pulled an Apple Inc
I once had a cell phone where some of the buttons stopped working properly. They told me maybe it had water damage from the moisture in my breath from talking into it & water damage wasn't covered under warranty.
...Yep.
@@bbqR0ADK1LL damn your moist breath killed your phone
Hi, I work for a different company that makes routers and wifi equipment. This is exactly what they're doing, and they didn't even do it first.
"Hey Marvis, why is the Wi-Fi down?"
"I'm sorry, I can't connect to the internet right now. Please try again later."
If this is actually possible, I would immediately post it on r/facepalm
lol
Thank you Marvis.
A more fitting title would be: I TRACK MY EMPLOYEES EVERY MOVE USING AI
yeah, this is equally parts cool and horrifying
Who spends most in the toilet, who has sex in the janitor's closet, who pees on CEO's door every other week?!
This isn't anything new, all that info is available at any office. Just conveniently packaged this time to troubleshoot more easily.
This thing is Kim-Yong Uns wet dream.
My company's micro-managemet is way better
"marvis combines machine learning and AI"
who wrote this....
If it's got natural language processing there's every possibility it has a more traditional grammar parser in there as well as the neural net.
@@stevenclark2188 Sure, but both NLP and ML are subsets of AI. If that's what they meant, the script should have read "combines machine learning and natural language parsing"
a Machine learning AI obviously
@@AakashKumar-gt9ip I can't remember the last time I've ground my teeth so much, on any sponsored video.
And frustratingly, all the rest of it (which only got a passing mention) looks fine.
It’s combines ‘machine learning and AI’ WITH ‘natural language processing’
It’s fine
Last year: “I REPLACED my $1000 Wifi...”
Now: *We Might Need a Wi-Fi Upgrade*
He was talking about his house, not the office
@@garlkurzer gg your blocked
@@garlkurzer Report it as spam instead of replying to it. Your reply will keep getting them attention long after their spam has been removed.
@@colinpye1430 Dont care
@@colinpye1430
Dont care
I like how this video basically showed that the AI was useless and the same old manual tricks were the real solution.
It's great at quickly telling you where the problem is, and if it's a problem with your wifi/switches or something else like DNS configuration, missing VLANs, DHCP server, etc.
AI helps diagnose the problem, not directly fix it.
The video really cant showcase the real benefits of the AI which is more helpful in larger enterprise environments. I'm talking sites with like 20 plus APs for coverage. The AI and cloud systems allow the APs to talk to each other and auto adjusts certain settings like radio antenna power for example to improve the performance of the network.
The cloud and AI systems are there to decentralize the contoller adjustments.
linus in 2025:4 terabit internet for our editing stations!
4 terabit/sec could download Cyberpunk faster than he could say it lol
it took me a long while to understand anything
Terabit connection would be like warzone a you testing me lmao 🤣
Gg
@@huntno cyberpunk servers can't provide that speed
It automatically captures packages and stores them in the cloud? That sounds like a terrible data breach waiting to happen.
At points of error/mishap not like all the time. Also most of these are network level captures not exact data fragments. It seems like Juniper knows what it is doing xD
"That sounds like a terrible data breach waiting to happen."
?
How?
The breach is already ongoing as soon as you installed that shit.
@@hargobindsinghduggal7570that looked like a wireshark capture, so it's the data stream.
@@hargobindsinghduggal7570 "network level captures not exact data fragments" this is the dumbest thing I have heard in ages
@@utkarsh1874 when you are not able to connect to the network or you are not able to go to any websites. What will be on those packet captures?. Atmost authentication passwords for the wireless.
Marvis? It's like they wanted Jarvis but then Marvel got involved.
Marvis=Marvel's JARVIS
@@thetalesofdaneandco Marvis = Mist's Jarvis
or marvin from hitch hikers guide to the galaxy
More like "Marvin (from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) + Jarvis"
@@williamcameron1831 A depressed tech support AI?
The issue with cloud controlled local systems, is when there's an issue that affects you that's not a high priority for them. There's less likely to be a workaround or downgrade path for a cloud system. We've recently had a workflow breaking system from another provider that's got a resolution deployment time measured in *months*
They have a checkbox where they retain their config locally so even if they get knocked offline, they can communicate between themselves over their 3rd "scanning" radio to cooperate with each other.
@@jozefaz okay, that doesn't help you if you've a pressing need to *change* that config and the damn website won't apply the changes.
I didn't mention the management service becoming unavailable.
@@MikeHayward if you still have site connectivity but unreliable remote site internet (MPLS + local INET breakout hybrid) then you might be interested in their “Edge” appliance. You can proxy connectivity back through it to a more reliable central site then hit the cloud. If you’re worried about connectivity, they run on multi-region AWS and GCP both. If those go down you have bigger issues...
@@jozefaz are you...reading my comments?
I'm not talking about connectivity to the cloud. I'm saying if there's a bug *in* a cloud management platform, you're less likely to be able to resolve it than with full console access and local management with firmware downgrades and other steps as possible resolutions.
And you didn't even show it automatically restarting the port for a trouble AP?
You physically unplugged it? Seriously?!?
makes great video when it all just happens though.....
like the final of the watching paint dry championship....... oh wait he blinked.... yep no still watching....... riveting stuff.
I think that wasn't in the contract
And this is what will happen:
You'll upgrade the Wi-Fi.
Then your server is gonna be full, so you'll buy a new server/upgrade the existing new new Whonnock.
Then your network has a bottleneck so you'll upgrade it.
Then you'll buy 18k Cameras, so you'll upgrade your editors workstations to dual 3090s and Zen 3 32-core Threadrippers.
And then your storage will be full...
And so on.
sounds fun right
12k cameras are the max that exists so far,
@@AL-lh2ht what about 16K cameras , it's LTT they can do anything......
@@horizonrider508 where are the 32k cameras, weak
Whonnock III
1:22 using stacked ultravide monitors just to display one datasheet is a weird flex.
At that point a 50" TV would have made more sense.
@@ikkuranus but is he gonna be able to have over 60 hz refresh rate with a 50" tv
@@bxep I just CAN'T STAND IT when I'm not writing word documents in 144hz
more like a precaution to make sure he doesn't leak anything else he has running on his computer.
@@bxep yeah. There are 144hz 50inch TVs
So what you're saying is, the enterprise grade AP has all the same features as all the other enterprise grade APs.
Got it.
@@5urg3x Agreed. I deployed ubiquiti at the small business where I live. Not having ongoing costs was a big reason why.
Yeah, but this has Marvis, if you look at the video where the AP was not online anymore, usually you would go back and forth to figure what happened, Marvis did that in 2 seconds, when asked to troubleshoot the device he came up with "Device Disconnected"
You can't pay enough for this amount of AI
@@5urg3x Marvis didn't even give him anything, just that the AP disconnected.
@@AndiKola Yeah, but like, why do I need AI to tell me the device is disconnected, if for example, the Meraki Dashboard can tell me "Device Disconnected" without dealing with a conversational AI.
This feature isn't THAT cool if you're in the enterprise space, where proper logging and management make these kind of events non existent to begin with.
@@5urg3x Everything is a subscription. If you want reliable gear and support you pay. If you cant pay go with pro-sumer stuff and suffer. It costs money to do business. Besides, you can pre-pay for 7 year licenses. By then your replacing the AP with new tech anyway...
and the award for the strangest but coolest monitor setup goes to...
That would drive me crazy, I would put them side by side and play MS flight simulator
EDIT: wait that would drive me just as crazy with the bevel in the middle, I need to think before I post lol
ua-cam.com/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/v-deo.html
@@cejuonline I hate you
I have had that set up wayyy before Linus had it. Had mine like that for years now lol
@@cejuonline i have that link memorised, cant rick roll me. (and several other links)
I feel like this was a full on advert, and not so much an LTT video.
Agreed. This seems really out of character for LTT, even being a sponsored video. Hope this isn't going to become a pattern with them.
dude it says Showcase right there on the title 🙄
@@ElArboool their point is that this isn't normal for an LTT video. I've been watching LTT for years and even sponsored videos aren't this ridiculously pointed.
@@ElArboool Yeah, what Bradley said.
Usually with an LTT showcase, you get LTT looking at a product with a few talking points. This felt very much like the client gave them a script and they read it.
This showcase doesn't really showcase the reasons to get Mist. To start LTT is more consumer focused as a channel so as an enterprise product this doesn't match the majority of the UA-cam audience. Secondly the major selling points of these APs is best showcased in large enterprises (like billions in sales) because they will have sites with 20+ of these acting in concert based on the cloud and AI features.
Linus, just so you know, any WiFi router with *RGB* will get you the worlds fastest speed.
It has rgb, not much but it’s better than nothing
@ TommyInnit 🅥 shut up
Fax
what if you add more RGB strips will that increase the speed?
Why don't you have profile pic and any name??
"And store it in the cloud" so it's storing employee's personal information in the cloud without their permission, or even their consent? That's a big ol' fine waiting to happen, because at least where I live, that's highly illegal. Yes, even if it's in the employment contract.
@@ilovefunnyamv2nd well some data/ resources for you work on the local network is usually only accessible while Inside the network. A VPN would prevent you from accessing that.
Moreover It is my understanding that if IT finds a lot of encrypted traffic, they would want to block that, and it would be trivial to block it (again, i think that's the case, not sure)
According to juniper's datasheets, the data is in private and protected clouds where there is only highly limited access from juniper's side. This still doesn't change the fact that all that data is in a cloud.
@@castform57 Exactly. It doesn't matter. Even if it were encrypted and guaranteed unreadable by any of Juniper's employees and computers.
@@ilovefunnyamv2nd No, that's why companies must respect privacy. Because privacy does NOT end when you step into the office.
@@salmiakki5638 IT cannot simply block encrypted data. IT is there to service our jobs, not to police us. They have no mandate to speak of.
Linus: I just wanna watch this video on my phone
Marvis: I'm sorry Linus, but I'm afraid I cannot let you do that
Linus, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
Lol this is exactly the one where my ML prof said "ticks off my BS detector" riding on ML/AI hype
Those "I gotta hire new writers" looks Linus gives from time to time
You can see in Linus’s eyes how much he wanted to make fun of Marvis for being a gimmick, but its a sponsored video and he’s getting a Wi-fi upgrade for free so he can’t.
I'm curious what you mean on how Marvis is a gimmick compared to other manufacturers? Thanks!
@@zephyrczn He means any IT person worth hiring can use the console to figure out what's wrong. A plain text ai isn't necessary.
@@Celsian got it -- so it's just a needless feature to get a sale more or less? Does Cisco have something similar?
@@zephyrczn Its a feature that I highly doubt trained IT professionals would ever use, as it is just an extra step to do something they already know how to do. I did not mention anything about other manufacturers.
@@peterxiong3367 okay I understand. Just a shiny new feature then. I know you didn't reference ant other manufacturers, just curious if Cisco or any other competitors have something similar.
Would love to see a UniFi vs. Juniper comparison (features, speed, diagnostic tools, price, security, etc.)
Me: Cambium Networks
There is not much comparison. Juniper is enterprise level while UniFi is consumer grade. Juniper will be much more advanced, more complex and more expensive. You can download a data sheet and take a look.
200-ish APs vs. 1k+ APs. They just don't compare.
At home UniFi is enough.
@@marioh5172 Me: Mikrotik ;P
Yeah no contest. Juniper makes some great stuff that’s far more reliable
Juniper switches actually do typically work I have yet to run into an issue with them yet. Just about every major gas station uses them.
Back in training I was told I would have to swap these out a lot.
I have yet to actually do so.
Great product would recommend
You can reboot an AP remotely by just either bouncing the port on the switch or turning off PoE and turn it back on
Yeah they totally could have, but they'd have to know how to use the switch first. ;)
A nice way to reboot an AP when it's fixed to the ceiling is to disabled/enable PoE on the switch port where it connects.
I've used a ton of these for customers, they're very expensive, but also pretty great.
@ANTHONY YOUNG yes there is still the monthly fee for the service. For people serious about their wifi though it doesn't get much better than the Mist APs. There's a lot you can do with these things not mentioned directly in the video, even more so if you have access to the switch they are all connected to
@@complete-mayhem-x64 do you think it would be good for home or more so of a business orientated for companies/offices?
@@bradygough8781 I guess no…. Unless you own a Jeff Bezos mansion. There are a ton of other CHEAP options for home.
@@bradygough8781 for the average home user it's probably overkill. Had a client with thick stone walls and metal roofing, 3 story house and with a basement, they worked well for him. I would consider that an unusual circumstance though. The wifi range and speed is excellent, but you use a product like this for the extra features it provides. If you just want wifi range and throughput then this product isn't for you
@@bradygough8781 For home you can't go wrong with a few Ruckus unleashed AP's tbh
The Corporates will love this device and make their employees life so easy and fun for sure
I came right from Linus retiring video
I’m so glad he found the motivation to continue :)
We use Juniper stuff at work and regularly have to RMA these switches once a year... For nearly all our switches... And the replacements go bad too.. so it does make sense that they would have a video about troubleshooting because you'll have to do a lot!
We had a support plan with a 3rd party company to help keep these things alive, but after two years I can almost always do it faster lol
Apart from the AI, hasn't Ubiquiti had most of these features for ages?
@asdrubale bisanzio keep in mind that juniper is business oriented, so these features are obsolete for home users. You also can't buy these from juniper as a private user.
I was going to say the same thing. The first thing I noticed is the desktop interface even looks similar to the old interface that Ubiquiti had years ago.
Don't forget that it isn't all about features. Especially not in the enterprise world. Support and stable software are way more important. And we all know Ubiquiti doesn't have those.
I like the Floatplane logo on the wall. Very aesthetically pleasing that its not just in your face but.
0:34 'Marvis combines machine learning and AI [...].'
IT Guy here - I've used Meraki, Aruba, Ubiquiti and generic WiFi systems never a juniper not to say I don't want to because damn I'd love it, I use Ubiquiti at home and Aruba at a client site, if it works I don't use the portals... Simple if there can be a system that links to device management for cases like DNS or host name issues and actively change them 😘❤️🤑 thanks for coming to my TED talk
Didn't Ubiquiti sponsor the wifi for the entire office including sending out an engineer to set it up? What happened to all that?
That is more than likely still in place. This was a sponsored video. I can't imagine this is staying long if they didn't even bother to mount the routers on the wall.
I am going from being a auto tech that's ASE certified still to being a Network Admin in the next couple of years. I see some use's for this approach to network troubleshooting, but it's better suited for a home network or a small business use.
This looks cool, I wonder how much the Access Point costs.
Oh... $1500... each...
Typical price for enterprise environments. A little too high for consumers
That's too high for many businesses too. Linus strangely doesn't mention the price.
We are about to start deploying Juniper to replace our Cisco wireless, this looks exciting!
“We might need a wifi upgrade”
McDonald’s: *sweats*
Funnily enough the McDonald's near our place bought up all the available fiber bandwidth.
As a network engineer I done really think a chat bot is going to be much help especially with people breathing down my neck from an outage this seems to me like they are playing catch up with Cisco and their Meraki system
4:39 appreciate The IT crowd reference
I would love to see a video about setting up a TP-Link Omada based network for an office or more specifically for a house.
Me who works in IT and maintains a large WiFi Network: Maybe i like the misery of troubleshooting
and not having to replace an entire network of other enterprise grade equipment like cisco's that are proprietary so you can tell your users that they fat fingered a 3 where a 2 needs to be.
we use access point at our contracted buildings for my company and its an untamed beast, wifi is allways iffy. you may find that if the access point is not configured or certain devices have things like private address on "cough cough" apple, you may run into some problems with the connection. Some modern devices like to flap betweeen different access points aswell which seems to be a common issue so make sure that the 2.4ghz and the 5ghz channels are not overlapping to improve the connection.
Linus normally does a really good job with sponsored videos but this was just a 10 minute ad.
Feel like some people might feel off about this system knowing just about everything about your device when connected to the wifi. But that's how it works already, the difference is this system let's you troubleshoot and fix issues quite easily plus you can see everything the system tracks anyways. So honestly this is quite a cool wifi system just based on that alone.
That's creepy. Now linus knows exactly where each of employees are in office... Next appraisal meeting is going to be awesome 😅
And exactly what they are doing on each of their connected devices, creepy is an understatement. I would say this is a breach of personal privacy.
Edit: All those private packets also go straight into the Juniper's cloud, so even more horrible stuff.
This wifi based location based tracking has been around for a long time. For personal devices most modern smartphones now have features like auto Mac spoofing which makes this almost useless especially if the user disables wifi and turns it on somewhere else.
@@nepnep6894 I don't see how Mac spoofing can help when a unique username/password combo is still telling me who this user is. With some basic fingerprinting most systems can even tell me what device it is.
@@HelmuthGerka ironic for linus to do this since he cares about privacy a lot
Installed HUNDREDS of these last summer. Company switched from Cisco to Juniper and we went around to every campus and swapped em out.
Wow, happy to see more of enterprise tech in LTT. I’ve actually enjoyed working with Juniper more than Cisco. Hoping to see more!
PCAP logs stored in the cloud with dynamic capture will make the NSA very happy indeed. Ideally everything should be TLS encrypted but a lot of internal network traffic can now be swept for plaintext keys.
There is a fine line between need and want. This is clearly a want especially considering most of the devices at LMG are hardwired 10g or better.
Everyone here worried about client telemetry (aside from the cloud aspect) must not realize that enterprise-grade wireless & wired network systems have already been collecting this info for years.
Thanks for informing us again linus on fast technology that is cool and expensive.
I'm currently working as a it tech and using this would be so much of a help since there is only 2 of us
Using NLP, ML buzzwords from their advert bullet points nice.
My last job claimed to use AI in most of their products, the ONLY thing they had at all was (a third party) NLP for a chatbot
That's the same type of interface for the Cisco Meraki systems! I think Juniper Networks got inspired by it! Tho I didn't hear anything about yearly license needed per device like Cisco.
3:51 They literally just overlaid a circle-gradient, no calculation involved there. I mean seriously, this thing has all the wall data it needs to do a rough radio simulation and these motherf*ckers just overlay a damn circle? This is enough to make Linus go "Wow that's so awesome!"? bruh...
This is a great small to medium office solution. Alot of Enterprise don’t use cloud functionality due to privacy or run private clouds which not all vendors have solutions for. I would love to see you review the new Aruba 635 which is about to be released which supports the full 6Ghz on WiFi 6 which Canada just approved all 1200MHz of 6Ghz on May 19 2021. They have a cloud ZTP (zero touch provisioning) solution called Central.
It's time to dump the humans, starting august 2021 it will be MARVIS TECH TIPS
Rather than unplug and replug the AP, you can cycle the switch port down and up through the switch's management console, this will cycle the POE off and on which effectively is the same as unplugging and replugging it, except doing it through the switch you don't have to get a ladder out if your AP is ceiling mounted. If you want to get really fancy, you can leverage some network automation software to automatically tell the switch the cycle the relevant port when an AP loses connectivity.
Being an Aruba TAC engineer It generally is configuration issues that cause these problems. Interesting AI use that finds the problem pretty quickly, but I wonder how it would handle a more complex issue.
It never gets old when you ask have you turned it off and turned it back on and they say yes but when you login to the router the uptime is 100+ days.
I keep forgetting about how nice your monitor setup is!
Really cool video! What is the monitor stand you are using for 2x49" @ 1:23 ? I've been looking for a good way to hold 2x49" :o
With all that telemetry, I'm surprised there's any bandwidth left for the users 😀
I was impressed before you mentioned the dynamic packet capture, but then I was legitimately blown away.
A few months is all we ask of you to not keep getting WIFI upgrades!
Oh cool, juniper mist. I wrote part of a whole bachelor's thesis about this in comparison to other such systems.
Also, the EX series' JunOS configuration is the best, I kinda love that environment.
Only problem is that you can't buy juniper stuff straight from them as a private user, since they're pretty much b2b only.
I prefer juniper over Cisco, they're more intuitive through CLI, but they've got a lot of work to do over GUI
How is junos cli? I'm mostly familiar with Cisco, and with a touch of mikrotik. I'm about to learn brocade fastironOS as well.
@@nepnep6894 Junos cli is generally excellent. Much better than IOS. You can also make a bunch of changes and then commit them all in one go so you've got fewer worries about accidentally disconnecting your management session halfway through the changes you've got to make. You can also do an automatic rollback if you don't confirm the changes. That's not to say that Juniper is perfect (their firewalls suck compared to Palo Alto) but for route and switch they're pretty good.
@@1anwrang13r Don't forget the "commit confirmed". You can commit changes and if it doesn't work, it triggers an automatic rollback, without the need of a reboot as IOS.
Also automatically junos devices stores previous configs, and you can invoke them with a "rollback ".
As they split control and data planes, there are less issues.
If you're trying juniper, Adtran may have something for you as well.
I love how Linus has 2 ultrawides stacked on top of each other, so he effectively has a single 55 inch 16:10 lol.
With God awful bezels right at eye hight. This setup tilts me more than it should
Superultrawides*
This looks pretty cool, I use Aruba at work but the feature set looks pretty similar
Aruba here aswell seems exactly the same, to me even better.
Welcome to another episode of the worlds most overkill WiFi
Or jus't corporate wifi and not home wifi?
Definitely overkill for home usage, but when you are running a business it may be super useful. Having logs of every device, knowing where they are and what they are doing etc
Linus, I do not need a fancy set of APs. All I am going to do this week is to hook up all of my 32 APs to a switch that is next to my desk so I can simply restart them REAL QUICK to fix 95% of the issues within minutes! Who is the hero now?!?
at this point linus is going to upgrade his body to get more power
He’s gotta upgrade his height
@@bayenkg oof
BiG Oof LiNus
Pretty sure Meraki can do most of these things and has done for a while now, cool nonetheless. The ai chat thing is really cool, I'll give them that
As someone who deals with networking, I've had more issues with Juniper than our move away from CISCO.
It's always nice to see competition with Cisco Meraki, it would be nice to see some comparisons of Firewalls, along with the level of technical phone support they offer. Anything that doesn't have a subscription is likely no good good reliability because eventually the software will break and you'll lose functionality if they don't get recurring revenue to support it.
"Limited Lifetime Warrant"
How is that a lifetime warranty ?
not sure i understand the question.
maybe it's like most RAM is lifetime warranty (limited to RAM that wasn't subjected to water or a hammer)
It would explain the humidity and pressure sensor.
To cover their ass for stuff that their warranty can't really reasonably cover. So if it just breaks for no real reason, they'll replace, but if you dropped it, they probably wouldn't cover that.
yeah, WiFi6 is probably the AP that we need to upgrade, its just that OFDMA is a very very big deal when it comes to its features.
Linus always makes videos about stuff that has been relevant to me during the time they release, I've just been thinking about getting my Wi-Fi fixed, except that I'm dirt poor and will just do it with a cheap Wi-Fi repeater.
try mesh wifi, I had a repeater and it was trash, wouldn't go back
That seems to give some pretty good insight. If that was auto packet capture of the problem, that's pretty amazing as far as I'm concerned.
I've been putting this in where I work and they're fantastic.
100% seems like one of the biggest features is it allows you to track your employees every move.
I am finally first and hi Linus how are you??
@@bradhaines3142 You’re*
@@bradhaines3142 fax
U r not first
@@bradhaines3142 Boooo
@@bradhaines3142 You sound more toxic then Gordon Ramsey
Wow, they killed it with these! I may need an upgrade myself...
Also, I def appreciate (I mean don't) the callout as I am currently watching YT on my phone while sitting next to my desktop... 😑
"Showcase" because saying "advertisement" would be honest and people wouldn't watch.
I could totally see Linus as an old hermit with long hair and a shaggy beard go to 5:29 in the video and photshop him into Linus Hermit. 💯
Meraki > Juniper ;)
For home, I use the tp-link Deco M9 system and it's been running pretty well. The Juniper is scarily smart I'll give them that, like more tracking etc lol
Comments: I’m not an IT pro and when my AP doesn’t work, I reach over and unplug it and plug it back.
Actual IT pro: yeah we have over 1000 APs across 15 campuses with more than 30,000 daily clients, but you do you, boo.
Mist is awesome and we love it.
Well our MX240 and EX switches don't have a marvis and the old web interface only works in internet explorer 6 but i prefer junos cli anyway. Juniper does a really good job at designing admin friendly devices though so I was able to work into it in just a few minutes and there is not much that can really go wrong.
Me who is using a 5 year old router: Nice…
Thats still a decent age
You hit the nail on the head so hard with the roaming thing. I dont know what it is about xiaomi phones preferring 2.4ghz acces points, but I had to rename the 2.4 and 5 bands differently, so that my phone is only aware of the 5 network. I already only have 2.4 enabled because some dumb smart appliances only work with 2.4. Like my yeelight or the washing machine. Its so unnecessarly complex to have an SSID5 and an SSID2.4