Quality information you're providing! I really appreciate it. My "guy"..who did my 12" lifted, new steering set up, neglected to relocate my track bar from lower mounting point to upper, bump-steer city, says "I've been building trucks for years..it's fine." Needless to say, I've moved on. 👌
We make suspension and steering kits. If our competitors want to make inferior products they are welcome to do so. We'll concentrate on building things that work properly.
I have watched a lot of video's like this. You are the first to explain what points to measure from. Everyone other video said to make them parallel but did not say from attachment point to attachment point. After lifting my xj 5 inches with adjustable track bar and adjustable drag link, i added a 6" drop pitman arm. I have really dangerous bump steer. Its a good thing it is off road only now. I need to get make some adjustments now. Thanks!
Yes, going end to end is key. What's going on in the middle is irrelevant. I've seen many setups where the track bar or drag link has a big Z bend in it making the 2 APPEAR to be parallel, when in fact they are not even close.
Just ordered the OTK kit for my XJ…had to return a bkfabworks one cause they shipped it out with missing parts….hope to not have any headaches with yours haha
I would like to see a video describing the fabrication of a different style of steering linkage for a "stock" Ford ttb. Not necessarily one that's been cut and bent for pre running but one that's relatively stock. Perhaps even incorporating a TR flip.
Very helpful just installed cav fab steering and rubicon express track bar and I’ve been getting bad death wobble. And now that I look at it my track and drag are so not parallel.
Mario Anaya when I first installed it my drag link was at the bottoms of the pitman arm. It would death wobble in almost every little bump. All I did was put it on top of the pitman arm that helped a little. But what I think I need is a longer track back bracket. Because I can still feel the Jeep want to wobble. By no means am I a mechanic or know it all just my experience.
Love this, been looking fora fix....I've driven 3600 diesel trucks with a straight axel and the damb thi g can be driven 90 miles an hour without a hent if steering issue, i want the wrangler to be that stable. Any advice above this, im open.
Hello, Your video was great! I do have a question though. Is it possible to get bump steer with out a tract bar? I have a truck with leaf springs up front which has no tract bar. I installed an over the top drag link that no longer connects to the tie rod but now connects to above the knuckle. I have a pretty bad oscillation affect where the whole truck feels like it is going to fly off the road. I am trying to investigate as much as possible and was wondering if I could have a bump steer issue. I would appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. Thanks Will
Yes absolutely. Bump steer is caused by the axle moving in a different path than the steering. Since your drag link swings from the pitman arm it moves in an arc. With leaf springs the axle travels straight up and down. By design there is going to be some amount of bump steer. This is why Jeep put a track bar on the YJ with leaf springs, and why old Chevy trucks have the drag link going front to back rather than side to side. It sounds like you may have what most refer to as Death Wobble though. Bump Steer is the tendency for the vehicle to steer due to suspension movement, but it's a movement that doesn't continue. Death wobble is an often violent oscillation caused most often by worn out bushings or steering joints. With leaf springs it can also be from leaf spring bushings or very soft springs allowing the axle to shift side to side. It can also be caused by improper alignment, generally with too little caster. This is really a separate issue with many possible causes and I've been working on putting together another video to directly discuss it. There are so many possible causes that it's a tough one to tackle in a reasonably short video though.
If your steering is set up correctly and aligned properly there is never a NEED for a stabilizer. They are mainly to give a softer steering feel and to damp out small road imperfections. They do not cause or cure any steering problems though. Sometimes a stabilizer will mask problems, but there's still a problem.
It is the bushing at shifter linkage on steering column on outside of firewall. Replaced every steering component , and tightened box Allen. Still walked all over road. 01 ram 1500 Dana spicer 44 rear ends stock in 1 ton gm ,and ford 3/4 ton. Ball joint straight axle. Nice setup if u maintenance it. All it was bushing on shifter steering column. Dah , lift pulls on column.
The type of suspension has absolutely nothing to do with the steering other than the angle of the track bar. 3 link, 4 link, radius arms, hell even leaf springs. Doesn't matter.
The stabilizer is there to damp out vibration and provide softer steering feel. It's technically not even needed with stock steering and is commonly removed when upgrading to heavy duty parts. Some people like having it and mount one. It has nothing to do with bump steer though.
@@stinkyfabracing replaced, upper and lower ball joints both sides, new front bearings, new track bar, new crossover steering with heim joints. Could it be control arm bushings and sway bar bushings?
The same way it does with a differential, by turning the steering wheel. All the steering components are identical between the 2wd and 4wd jeeps. Only difference is the 2wd has a straight piece of tube with no axle shafts or differential.
Yes, i do. I also know that the front wheels in a 2wd jeep, or any other rear wheel drive vehicle, are not linked in any way and turn completely independently of each other. I also know you're making a fool of yourself right now.
Well all you've proven is your ignorance here. It is typical because literally every steering and suspension part is the same on every TJ, XJ, MJ, or ZJ. 2wd or 4wd is irrelevant, they use all the exact same steering and suspension parts in the exact same configuration. This one is now 4wd and none of the steering had to be changed. Lots and lots of Cherokees and Comanches were sold 2wd btw. You don't need 4wd in a delivery truck or to get groceries, so lots of people bought them.
Quality information you're providing! I really appreciate it. My "guy"..who did my 12" lifted, new steering set up, neglected to relocate my track bar from lower mounting point to upper, bump-steer city, says "I've been building trucks for years..it's fine." Needless to say, I've moved on. 👌
Great video. Now send this video to the company’s that make lift kits.
We make suspension and steering kits. If our competitors want to make inferior products they are welcome to do so. We'll concentrate on building things that work properly.
I have watched a lot of video's like this. You are the first to explain what points to measure from. Everyone other video said to make them parallel but did not say from attachment point to attachment point. After lifting my xj 5 inches with adjustable track bar and adjustable drag link, i added a 6" drop pitman arm. I have really dangerous bump steer. Its a good thing it is off road only now. I need to get make some adjustments now. Thanks!
Yes, going end to end is key. What's going on in the middle is irrelevant. I've seen many setups where the track bar or drag link has a big Z bend in it making the 2 APPEAR to be parallel, when in fact they are not even close.
Well done. Really helps
Great video. Straight to the point , quick n simple !
Good video and great info. Thank you.
Excellent video
Extremely helpful thank you
me suscribo me ayudo, gracias desde venezuela,. excelente video, ahora voy a hacer el angulo de geometria de mis barras para corregir mi direccion.
Just ordered the OTK kit for my XJ…had to return a bkfabworks one cause they shipped it out with missing parts….hope to not have any headaches with yours haha
Very good, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Very good information. Thank you
Nice video buddy...
Great info, thanks!
Great video.
I would like to see a video describing the fabrication of a different style of steering linkage for a "stock" Ford ttb. Not necessarily one that's been cut and bent for pre running but one that's relatively stock. Perhaps even incorporating a TR flip.
Got my answer
Thank you
Really wish you can see a pic of my jeep jk 2018, done everything after 3” lift and still not secure drive.
Thank you
Very helpful just installed cav fab steering and rubicon express track bar and I’ve been getting bad death wobble. And now that I look at it my track and drag are so not parallel.
How did you fix this ?
Mario Anaya when I first installed it my drag link was at the bottoms of the pitman arm. It would death wobble in almost every little bump. All I did was put it on top of the pitman arm that helped a little. But what I think I need is a longer track back bracket. Because I can still feel the Jeep want to wobble. By no means am I a mechanic or know it all just my experience.
Love this, been looking fora fix....I've driven 3600 diesel trucks with a straight axel and the damb thi g can be driven 90 miles an hour without a hent if steering issue, i want the wrangler to be that stable. Any advice above this, im open.
😊
Hello,
Your video was great!
I do have a question though. Is it possible to get bump steer with out a tract bar? I have a truck with leaf springs up front which has no tract bar. I installed an over the top drag link that no longer connects to the tie rod but now connects to above the knuckle. I have a pretty bad oscillation affect where the whole truck feels like it is going to fly off the road. I am trying to investigate as much as possible and was wondering if I could have a bump steer issue.
I would appreciate your thoughts and suggestions.
Thanks
Will
Yes absolutely. Bump steer is caused by the axle moving in a different path than the steering. Since your drag link swings from the pitman arm it moves in an arc. With leaf springs the axle travels straight up and down. By design there is going to be some amount of bump steer. This is why Jeep put a track bar on the YJ with leaf springs, and why old Chevy trucks have the drag link going front to back rather than side to side.
It sounds like you may have what most refer to as Death Wobble though. Bump Steer is the tendency for the vehicle to steer due to suspension movement, but it's a movement that doesn't continue. Death wobble is an often violent oscillation caused most often by worn out bushings or steering joints. With leaf springs it can also be from leaf spring bushings or very soft springs allowing the axle to shift side to side. It can also be caused by improper alignment, generally with too little caster.
This is really a separate issue with many possible causes and I've been working on putting together another video to directly discuss it. There are so many possible causes that it's a tough one to tackle in a reasonably short video though.
ironwill04 your spring bushings could be worn
Done it all still walked it's shifter linkage bushing on steering column at outside firewall. Easy fix after 1200 $ in front end steering bars etc.
What steering kit do you recommend on a 2000 XJ with 6” Long Arm lift 35” tires ?
This would be the best option www.stinkyfab.com/collections/xj-steering/products/sfr-basic-wj-high-steer-big-brake-kit-xj
Does this eliminate the need for a steering stabilizer? New to this and trying to figure out my problem and remedy.
If your steering is set up correctly and aligned properly there is never a NEED for a stabilizer. They are mainly to give a softer steering feel and to damp out small road imperfections. They do not cause or cure any steering problems though. Sometimes a stabilizer will mask problems, but there's still a problem.
@@stnkbg1 thanks. I'm having new tires and wheels put on next week and I'll have them check out what is going on.
It is the bushing at shifter linkage on steering column on outside of firewall. Replaced every steering component , and tightened box Allen. Still walked all over road. 01 ram 1500 Dana spicer 44 rear ends stock in 1 ton gm ,and ford 3/4 ton. Ball joint straight axle. Nice setup if u maintenance it. All it was bushing on shifter steering column. Dah , lift pulls on column.
Can a high steering work with a 3 link front suspension?
The type of suspension has absolutely nothing to do with the steering other than the angle of the track bar. 3 link, 4 link, radius arms, hell even leaf springs. Doesn't matter.
Comments for future videos? Needs more Chassis!
Sooo when u upgrade steering u don't need a steering damper/stabilizer?
The stabilizer is there to damp out vibration and provide softer steering feel. It's technically not even needed with stock steering and is commonly removed when upgrading to heavy duty parts. Some people like having it and mount one. It has nothing to do with bump steer though.
@@stnkbg1 thanks
What about steering wander, no bumps involved
That would either be alignment or worn out parts.
@@stinkyfabracing replaced, upper and lower ball joints both sides, new front bearings, new track bar, new crossover steering with heim joints. Could it be control arm bushings and sway bar bushings?
Anything that controls movement can cause sloppy steering. If the control arm bushings are bad the entire axle can move around.
@@PeakAcres I had a similar problem and after replacing all the same parts you did I discovered it was the steering box
I'm confused. Where is the front differential on that 1st Cherokee?
There isn't one, it's a 2wd. That changes absolutely nothing in the steering and suspension though.
@@stnkbg1 it doesn't matter if it's a 2wd. How does it turn without a differential?
The same way it does with a differential, by turning the steering wheel. All the steering components are identical between the 2wd and 4wd jeeps. Only difference is the 2wd has a straight piece of tube with no axle shafts or differential.
@@stnkbg1 umh.. do you know the purpose of a differential?
Yes, i do. I also know that the front wheels in a 2wd jeep, or any other rear wheel drive vehicle, are not linked in any way and turn completely independently of each other. I also know you're making a fool of yourself right now.
Thurst Dana 30
Just how it was designed sadly😢
Typical my ass. That’s a 2wd. Who tf even ownes a jeep that’s 2wd.
Well all you've proven is your ignorance here. It is typical because literally every steering and suspension part is the same on every TJ, XJ, MJ, or ZJ. 2wd or 4wd is irrelevant, they use all the exact same steering and suspension parts in the exact same configuration. This one is now 4wd and none of the steering had to be changed.
Lots and lots of Cherokees and Comanches were sold 2wd btw. You don't need 4wd in a delivery truck or to get groceries, so lots of people bought them.