Secutor-class Battlecruiser (Venator's Replacement) COMPLETE Breakdown
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This complete breakdown of the Secutor-class Battlecruiser, or Secutor-class Star Destroyer, will take us from its Clone Wars roots, how it was supposed to replace the Venator, where it fit alongside the Imperial ships like the Victory, Imperial-class Star Destroyer, Super Star Destroyer and others, as well as the history of this Star Wars ship, like how it nearly took down Tarkin.
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As large as this ship is it could have easily accommodated several dozen point defense laser cannon batteries. Other than that I think it’s a good ship for it’s intended use. Another great video
The idea was that it carried starfighters to function as anti-fighter, but more point defense and slightly less armor is always better that no point defense
its the one thing I really hate about SW designs massive stupid plot holes that no one would design in. Our current naval ship designs are a good example of how design works even when accounting for fleet make ups, every ship still has defense against smaller/aerial threats in some way.
@@Pincuishin yeah, IRL navies would bolt a Point Defense Weapon to any unoccupied flat surface.
I feel like the 15 *light* turbolaser batteries ARE the point defense.
Fitted to relatively nimble mounts, they'd be heavy enough to absolutely kill any small craft in one or two hits at pretty long ranges.
They'd also be able to strike larger craft if needed, meaning they wouldn't be useless once the enemy fighters are mopped up.
Combined with its pretty insane fighter complement (TIEs, despite their size, are a lot less space efficient than ARC-170s or Z-95s), I don't see it as that huge of a problem. That said, if adding a dozen or two laser cannon batteries didn't affect armor or power distribution much, I certainly would add some.
@@RavenWolffe77 light turbos are for saturation of heavier shields or tracking lighter escort corvettes/frigates
Turbolasers are too slow for fighters
You need laser cannons, preferably dual or quads, for point defence. Both for the projectile and tracking speeds
Man, what a legend... designs a ship based on past of a picture in a comic and later gets asked if they could use his design and make it canon... even if he didn't make out like a bandit, he still has the epic privilege of saying "yeah bro, I made that like 25 years ago when I was bored."... who said dreams can't come true?
sadly he also has the privilege of the new lazy fucks at lucasarts/disney of ripping off his work
Man I love when fan-made creations become part of the official stories
I don’t really like it generally because they artists don’t get a modicum of credit
@@Xevahl yeah that is a part that sucks. I like eckarts ladder has been shedding light on that
Except the secutor was official before a fan recreation was made, just like the allegiance it was a ship with barely any explanation in an old comic
established titles is a scam, you should know that by now
I know right? Every time I see them in the ad segment I just cringe and fast forward through it. Still enjoy the videos though
It's always looked off, but I love it. It's just seems tactically better to put the bridges far in the back. The venator and acclamator inspirations are just so good!
Yeah, it looked weird in dark empire and still looks weird.
The Secutor Star Destroyer is one of my favorite ships in the Galactic Empire. A standard carrier with a Venator dual bridge system. Awesome.
As I understand it, the 144 starfighter complement are the nerfed numbers that they gave it when it came over to be canon back in Legends, and that Fractal intended for the ship to have space for 8 to 10 wings.... so at least 576 to 700 starfighter sized craft (TIEs, Starwings, Skiprays, and the like). Which honestly given the size of the ship and the placement of the hangers does seem perfectly plausible. Sort of like how you felt that the Gladiator could carry around 220 TIEs in your video on it.
The Secutor could likely more comfortably handle that many than the idea of the Venator carrying its full listed complement of over 400 starfighters. As I understand it, a fully loaded Venator stuck close to planets and was more of a defensive tool cuz fully loaded they just couldn't venture far away, they didn't have the logistics to handle that. On the other hand the Secutor doing so with a full complement does seem more believable given the size of the ship compared to the Venator
Yeah, Fractal said he has no idea where the 144 figure came from.
My headcanon is that when it was designed in-universe it was supposed to have the 8 to 10 wing complement, but with the end of the clone wars and the CIS mass droid swarms the Empire reduced the number to just 2 wings because they figured they wouldn't need any more than that. It's the same explanation they give for why the Executor class only have two fighter wings despite their massive size.
@@pyronuke4768the executor class was said to be capable of holding thousands, only that Vaders specific one only held 144 for some reason
A Gerald Ford class super carrier acourding to Wikipedia has 75+ aircraft. At 333m long that's 6.6 times longer for the secutor which is also stupidly wide.
If we scale linearly based on nothing but length you get 495 fighters. Given the secutor is chunky boy with girth not just length 576 to 700 seems pretty reasonable based on real world carrier complements
It's also possible that "144" is only the number of TIEs *specifically*;
TIEs, despite their small size, take up FAR more deckspace than other contemporary fighters due to needing specialized storage/boarding racks, specialized transport cranes, and other proprietary bullshit that served no other purpose than to give the inflated Imperial crew complement something to do.
With the hangar space used more efficiently like on Venators and Acclimators, I could EASILY see a Secutor carrying 500-700 fighters.
@@RavenWolffe77
"It's also possible that "144" is only the number of TIEs *specifically*;"
Unlikely, with TIE racks, TIEs don't take up that much space. Honestly the Imperial class would probably carry more if it wasn't also carrying forces and equipment for ground campaigns (including a prefabricated base), on top of everything else they packed into that thing.
Plus with the Secutor's size and dimensions, it could more easily carry and service that many ships compared to the Venator, which is half it's size and needed to stay very close to friendly bases to carry anywhere near the max complement.
Also, Fractal is the one who designed and made this ship, so I'm more inclined to trust his numbers for the Secutor
Man, Ansel's models are just something to behold. He needs the cred so much for such amazing work.
I find it funny how the Gladiator, a ship about a quarter of the size of this, does a better job as a carrier than this thing. Honestly, the empire really should've stuck with Gladiators, Victories, Venators, and Acclimator 1 cruisers. They actually could've kept the peace
Ansel Hsiao said on his website that when he designed the secutor he'd made the hangers large enough to house ten wings (or 720 starfighters) and he has no idea where the 144 figure comes from.
Where's my guy who has been asking for this for like 2+ years, sorry for the wait hope u like it
I’m one of them
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You'd think that with the constant wars across thousands of years, especially the Sith&Mandalorians, the Old Republic ships would had been designed to be less vulnerable to swarm attacks.
I wish the clone wars had one episode were you see all the republic's ships being used in a space battle at once.
The light cruisers, acclamators, venators, secutors, corvettes, and the victory-class star destroyers, and their medical transports (if needed).
I just feel like it was a missed opportunity.
Also the secutor-class is awesome.
TCW was really Terrible in showing the actual war itself, the progression was nonexistent they just throw in venators and call it a day and almost no campaigns were shown at all . they literally made the goddamn outer rim sieges as an afterthought
@@laisphinto6372 the stories were great, but yeah the venator was overused, i still like the venator though.
Yeah sadly pretty true. Arcs like Geonosis and Umbara are close but still
@@MetaNerdzLore thanks for the reply.
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As usual, love your ship breakdowns. And the Secutor is a ship I really like.
It’s funny, being designed during the Clone Wars makes it seem fairly stupid when the Venator is so common, but if it debuted in actual service in the Empire it could be a sign that Imperial Fleet doctrine was being planned out well before the shift -over phase from Republic doctrine, since the carrying abilities are something the Empire desperately needed and the firepower sounds more like their thinking.
(One objection though- you don’t need any ships or frame jobs to make Tarkin look impotent and foolish 😝)
I think its logical that the Secutor is made tocounter the Lucrehulks , it's almost a identical militarily designed republic version of Seperatist Lucrehulk , might have had around a 1000 starfighters and ISD weaponry ,only if not tarkinized into a imperial transport replacing decommissioned acclamators
@@sumukhvmrsat6347 How so? The Lucrehulk has more firepower and a lot more fighters
@@stars9084more firepower debateable, but higher complement undoubtedly
@@angelic_disappointment7889 Didn't the Lucrehulk have something like 60 Heavy Turbolasers?
@@stars9084 late reply yes the battleship version of the lucrehulk had a lot of guns but they were spread out a lot on the ship on different firing arcs meaning it can bring most of its guns to bear, it gives it a great defencive ability as you cant flank it but not great offencive
The Secutors were basically the heavy fist of the Empire in the early days.
The lack of point defence was on purpose I suspect, anyone steals the big hammer and uses it against Palpatine and it faces bomber spam and boarding shuttles.
I still think that the venator could have had a battleship varient by simply replacing the topside hanger with two spines of turbolasers and ion cannons or even with another reactor that would only power an oversized shield generators
It did. Well it's fanmade but we'll known it's called the liberator
So the Victory
@@alexandreburko7067 a smaller victory that in my opinion would look much better than the victory
@@thundermite1241 victory's already 200m shorter than the Venator tho
@@alexandreburko7067 oh i mixed its legnth with the imperial 1
Just one change needed for the secutor , just make it like the damm Lucrehulk , that's it , secutor needs atleast about only the Lucrehulks starfighter compliment and weapons ,as it already has the carrying capacity and as the ISD already overpowers the Lucrehulk by a factor of 10 ,secutor definitely has it just a bit more faster than a sitting duck Space station
When I listened to the Tarkin Novel, I was wondering what this ship looked like because I couldn't find proper Images of it anywhere. So good to see this Video pop up now
W video, ive been reliving my childhood enjoyment of star wars ships by watching these videos
Wuhoo!! Missed seeing you guys do these videos, I hope you'll do some more in the future. Regardless I'll continue to look forward to your future projects, so keep up the great work! :). Oh BTW think you could do the Blue Diver? Or maybe some sort of combo vid on it and the less well known Mon Cala/New Republic ships?
My favorite carrier.
i love the odd shape of the hull, it really gice you the idea that they had a lot of compromises and other issues (like budget fights and vicious politicking) during the design.
Thank you so much for doing these vids. I was just wondering whether or not you are going to do a complete history of the Jedi order. That would be awesome! You are my most watched video creator!
Thanks and yeah it is on the list, idk when though
Love your content man, been watching for a while. hope you have a great night :)
Thanks u too
Even though it had less fighters i still love the design
Finally another ship!! More please
The secutor class is just a venator with a bigger Dorito as a base
How did I miss this upload, my request was finally fulfilled. TYSM !!!
The Secutor is one of my favorite ships. Imperial/Praetor class meets Venator Class
Awesome! Thanks.
A ship that resembles a giant navigation arrow on Google maps. That's the best way to describe it and now I can't unsee it
Another amazing video
If this ship wasn't so wide it would be beautiful. The covered hangers are a great improvement to the Venator
very good video thank you for do this video about this star ship 👍
That sponsorship didn't age well...
This has to be one of my favourite ships
Lack of torpedoes may have shown a different view for this ship.
Shifting to 100% energy based weapons, and turbo lasers that Didn't use shells... like the mediums did... It shows a ship being built for sustained deployment, one designed to operate for long duration without support.
This is a deep operations carrier, likely using its fighters and light turbolasers as anti-fighter protection rather then depending on point defense guns with heavier shields.
What a bitch of a job it would be to be the Chief Engineer aboard a monster like this
0:00 Yo that music is nice.
Established Titles are under huge scruteny right now. It's apperently a chinese company, the people that buys it can't legally call them self lords and so on.
It sounds like a strong ship!
Keep the content up
The nice thing about the Secutor is that it really helps supplement the Republic fleets in providing more than just the Venator. Yes, the Venator was great, but they got chewed up by those Lucrehulks.
One of the things I wonder about is crew accommodations and amenities. Did the ships for the CIS and clone armies have fewer of them, compared to Imperial ships for example, due to crew needs and the nature of their expected assignments? Are Mon Cal converted luxury cruisers the swankiest rowdiest party warships ever to grace the galaxy and that's how the Rebellion took off?
So a design of a ship in-between of those two would be called... the Senator-class Star Cruiser?
I mean...
It could also be Vecutor-class Battle Destroyer but that doesn't sound cool does it?
Fractal Sponge the guy who made the model in this video say 144 number of fighters would be its bare minimum and would have a maximum amount of 844 which I agree considering our ocean going carrier has 100 fighters and being maybe 1/8 the mass and look back on Metanerdz vid on the Gladiator class star destroyer where Meta did the math and came up with a better number of 225 and that ship is only 600m so just think what that number would be on a ship 2.2k long
I think you’re right about the ship essentially being a testing bed for the characteristics that would define later imperial capital ships. It seems like some real world vehicle projects where it was designed with a specialist role in mind but subsequent requirements turned it into a generalist vehicle that wasn’t particularly good at fulfilling any real roles. Makes for a good in-lore explanation of why we never see this ship. It just wasn’t really worth the cost when compared to later designs like the the Victory and Imperial classes.
Can you cover ships like the Hardcell Transport, Coruscant Freighter, Ministry orbital shuttle and Diamond cruiser
You have to do the Imperial Arrestor Cruiser next!
Can u do a video about the pellaeon class star destroyer?
I remember reading a comment by Ansel on his website's forum where he said he had no idea where the 144 figure had come from as he'd easily made the hangers large enough to accommodate up to 10 wings (that's 720 starfighters, or 66% more than a Venator). My guess is that the guys who wrote the stats for Wookieepedia went "oh, It's twice the size of an imperial class; it must have twice the fighters."
My head canon explanation is that when the Secutor was being designed for the clone wars it was supposed to boast the ten wings complement, but with the end of the CIS and their droid starfighter swarms the Empire cut the numbers down to two wings because they figured that's all they needed.
The wookieepedia sites are fandom I thought
In my opinion I could see this ship being more like a mobile base or command center being escorted by two or 3 venators
But that's just a thought I had
Using it like that would definitely explain why it didn’t have point defense cannons
@@paulbritt5443 I agree
Makes sense, I’m pretty sure the ship is classed as a fleet carrier so I’d imagine this ship would have been used in a similar to the later star dreadnoughts like the executor as the main command ship in the Center or back of a large fleet, pretty much acting like a earth aircraft carrier
With the fighters and maybe smaller ships like carracks or other ships with a lot of antistarfighter capability it may have not thought it needed anything but heavier weapons.
Thanks
I like using these ships in my fleets for starsector when I use the Star Wars mod
It's weird hearing World of Warcraft music from Stratholme for a Star Wars ship video. lol No complaints though. Also great video. :)
Definitely something Tarkin would have liked. For troop deployment the Secutor might be better because while all are huge, I'd still like to have space on board for the ground troops to keep practicing. That sort of thing doesn't just stop
You need to invite FractalSponge for an episode
That would be awesome
Love this ship
I suppose it's different enough of a shape that it is hard to mistake for anything else, which has it's uses.
damm the super sized providence is big
Man I love the Secutor
It is know that the secutor-class was 2.2km long but what about its wingspan though? Any information on that?
I've never understood how a more advanced ship with twice the size of its predecessor can only carry about half the ships... I've always envisioned the secutor carries 2-3x the venator
Ansel Hsiao said when he designed it he made the hangers large enough to carry 720 fighters, and he has no idea where the 144 figure came from.
Maybe I’m behind but are these clips from an updated version of the old game empire at war? Loved that game
Yeah mods
I would still use a carrier. It's what i personally go with. It's better to really go with a mixed fleet than just one type of ship
for as large as it is, why doesn't it have more point defense lasers and starfighters considering carriers are namely used for backline instead of direct combat, so point defense is a must for starfigheters and it's carrier role is lackluster to the smaller, cheaper, and more tested counterpart
wOw!, they really took the StarWars Universe concept and ran with it.
Do they discuss gravity on planets, not all of them are the same size, are there zones where the (interstellar) population lives where the gravity is 1G no matter how small or large the planet is?
I did this for my husband and I, the coolest and fun we've done.
Please make a vid about the jedi t6 shuttle
Hi ! From where is coming the Frankenstein Providence of Berch Teller ? I mean what is the source/link of the image ? Thanks in advance !
i feel like it could have served the role as target, lots and lots of armor and shields to be able to take a beating while other ships in its fleet do their thing
what is the song playing in the background? it's surprisingly addicting
I'd REMOVE That Established Title ad. IT IS A FULL ON ALLEGED SCAM!
Well cool vid, I’ve never even heard of this and I class myself a pretty high fan. Instant subscribe. Will watch always now.
Thanks I got tons of ship stuff, some or older and way worse quality but always doing new stuff and updating those too
@@MetaNerdzLore well I will be watching all your vids now, it’s refreshing that it’s not repeating scenes, I don’t believe I saw the same scenes twice, and the story telling was excellent. Honestly mate great work, I just love sci fi and Star Wars is at the top especially space battles, bloody love it.
Please do a video on the jedi t6 ship
Titan-Class Star Destroyer, or whatever Galactic Imperial Battlecruiser that was captained by the most human looking Cather who was also installed as the rightful ruler of Cathar (both planet & its people) by the Galactic Empire & was a fairly devout student of Thrawn.
Though a fanmade story of a ‘Royal Lineage’ that dates back to that MMORPG _Old Republic, The_ , this descendant of that lineage, who basically replaced a very distant cousin, still had a decent degree of honor. In the wake of the Battle of Endor, he Protected his Galactic Imperial crew, who just wanted to leave, in their retreat as the Rebels arrived. Despite his willingness to surrender to the Alliance, he still had his Cathar pride to bloody their noses & blacken their eyes, using the lessons his master, Thrawn, have taught him before serving a nice meal to showcase his surrender to the Alliance.
However, with some of his Rebel prisoners, to whom he is willingly surrender to, his feline personality seduces a good number of female rebels & things get pornographic with this Cathar’s personal harem of seduced females& such…
I think the Secutor was meant to also replace the Acclamator as a "do-it-all" battlecruiser. It carried almost as many ground forces as an Acclamator. It carried far more armament than either a Venator or an Acclamator. If Fractalsponge's original design specifications had been used, it would've carried far more starfighters than a Venator. I believe he originally intended a Secutor to carry 8-10 wings of starfighters, so about 576-720, vs the Venator's 420. With those specifications, the Secutor would've been a better standard ship for the Imperial Navy than the ISD. The Secutor was much more well-rounded for 33% more cost.
From the front it looks like a Gungan.
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Yeah...This mustve been before they were revealed to be a scam
What game do you use for these space battles in your footy? Is it like homeworld or something with mods?
The Emperor/Empire REALLY should've seen the abundant use of starfighters over large capital ships coming. Or at the very least given their most important and valuable ships adequate point-defenses.
So had the empire not risen would a Secutor be the main Star Destroyer instead of the Imperator?
1:57 Say what you want about the CIS but one thing is for certain. They somehow managed to keep the price of their capital ships down.
Were they particularly unreliable?
Where did you get the art for the Teller Providence? I want to use it in a tabletop
there is no official art I just mashed that up in photoshop I guess screen grab it if you want
@@MetaNerdzLore oh well it looks sick! I am in love with the design haha
According to the designer, Fractal Sponge, he built it to have Carrie space for 600-700 fighters and has no clue why it. Was stated to only carry 140.
See that makes sense, now it's just a more expensive and far less useful vessel.
What is the intro music? It sounds so familiar, yet I can't place where it is from. I want to say it is from a game.
a fan ship revenge class heavy carrier
Wide boy
Did the rebellion ever have one of these ships???
I always think the Empire could have won if the rebellion didn't have plot armor and Luke. They had better ships for the most part, the Secutor is a perfect example of a ship that fits the role it was built for perfectly. Palpatine also should have never tried to make another Death Star. The focus should have been on Interdictor Star Destroyers and other practical Capital Ships. Three great designs are the Bellator, Assertor, and Allegiance that are all practical capital ships that would have been a better use of resources than the Second Death Star.
Do the Praetor
The titles sponsor is, from my understanding, a scam; that is, the owners of the company in question have done a lot of similar scam-type companies, and there's some doubt as to if they're indeed donating money to the claimed company that plants trees.
The underlying claim is not supported by Scottish law; ownership of land does not confer lordship - lordship can only be gotten through inheritance. Moreover, a "souvenir block" does not actually confer ownership.
It's a bit embarrassing to see an ad for what appears to be a scam on a youtube video recommended to me.
The hive mind fake outrage is much more embarrassing to me. Go check pinned comment.
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Venator in it intended rol
As a carrière
this ship makes me want Doritos
You know I can buy like a 30 / 30 squarea of land in Scotland then build a house. It's a small house, but it's mine.
No point guns 😳
Did Galen Erso help design some of this.?
Secutor dosn't have nearly enough hanger openings, the 2 ventral openings alone don't look to be adaquate.
What game is the ship combat footage from?
Nice video, but stay away from Established Titles.... Like having a Star "Named" after someone for their birthday/christmas etc.... It's a sham. No entity will ever recognize the name of your loved one as being the name of a star, and good luck trying to LARP as a "Lord or Lady". You're spending a hundred bucks or whatever on a piece of paper, give the person I share in a Stock index fund instead".