Wood Bending by Boiling - Sussex Chair Part 6

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  • @wangosteen
    @wangosteen 3 роки тому +2

    came across this gem, wanted to say thank you for this video

  • @johnmilner6463
    @johnmilner6463 9 років тому +3

    Just did my first attempt at boiling/ bending, worked perfectly. Thanks for the video. It was some molding for an arched window on a 1870s door

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  9 років тому

      +John Milner Thats great John, and sounds like a nice project.

  • @martinlatvian5538
    @martinlatvian5538 2 роки тому

    Thanks, mate! I have never done this, but now I know how to. I have to renovate a part of mahagony stairway and that part needs to be bent just like You did. Thanks a lot. You did save my day.

  • @harryrogers
    @harryrogers  11 років тому +4

    I like boiling because you can see that the wood is getting properly heated up all over - so if it fits in my trough, I boil it. If its longer then I steam it and hope for the best! So for me boiling is more certain to work. Lots of the old bodgers used to boil the wood. Regards Harry

  • @Zeemike1
    @Zeemike1 9 років тому +9

    I have seen several of your videos now and you sure have a lot of hobbies dealing with craftmanship...which is wonderful because that is the only way they will survive in this junk filled world.
    Show us more.

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  9 років тому

      Thanks - there will be more of something!

  • @jonathandrake5363
    @jonathandrake5363 10 років тому +1

    Great job! I bend tapered stems for my pipemaking and have found boiling is the best and quickest way to reach bending temperatures. I share your nerves... it doesn't matter how many times I've done it, my heart gets racing every time.

  • @zoranpavlovic9540
    @zoranpavlovic9540 9 років тому +5

    2 blocks of wood in the vise is great idea. Thank you!!!

    • @clymdodds1020
      @clymdodds1020 4 роки тому +1

      Indeed. Simple, effective. I like it!

  • @lukeFugate
    @lukeFugate 9 років тому +2

    Very good video, helped me a lot, I'm building a wooden boat and need to bend some of the structural members to get the right shape. Thanks for the info.

  • @ecv80
    @ecv80 2 роки тому

    I just wanted say I watched this video for the first time long ago, possibly near it's release date and I'm glad I found it again. I haven't yet been able to try this procedure but somehow I believe this is a better way to bend wood rather than steaming or torching. I'm not sure if wood will gather much water in such short time but it makes sense it will bend more easily when more hydrated just like green wood. Thanks.

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  2 роки тому

      Thanks...I have boiled and steamed, and I prefer boiling for smaller items as the heat up is easy, for large items the steaming is more practicable.

  • @suetr1
    @suetr1 6 років тому +2

    Thank you VERY much, Mr. Rogers, for a quick but very effective tutorial. I learned a great deal! Warm wishes for boiling wood --

  • @telosfd
    @telosfd 11 років тому

    In many videos watch, I am pleased that only Englishmen continuing their traditional way of working. Very nice well done.

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  11 років тому

      Thanks very much. I am a member of bodgers.org.uk. Regards Harry

  • @harryrogers
    @harryrogers  11 років тому

    Hi Phill - yes good idea, a lid would also keep the wood below the water better - I will look out for a suitable plank or something - thanks. Regards Harry

  • @robpunx
    @robpunx 11 років тому +2

    you're so properly english in your vocabulary, i love it!! Dilly Dally

  • @davidwhalen2924
    @davidwhalen2924 3 роки тому +1

    Harry: I just can't help commenting on the sweater you are wearing in this video. It is absolutely stunning. Why you chose to wear it during this bending procedure is beyond me!

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  3 роки тому

      Thanks David, my wife knitted it.

    • @davidwhalen2924
      @davidwhalen2924 3 роки тому

      @@harryrogers Your poor wife now has a legitimate excuse to kill you for choosing to wear such a beautiful garment while working in your shop! And the authorities will side with her!!

  • @youngsankarate9429
    @youngsankarate9429 Рік тому

    Love the bending jigs/forms and boiling set up. However, i would need a longer trough for items at 6'. Thanks for the tutorial!

  • @billwessels207
    @billwessels207 7 років тому +1

    I have used green Joy liquid dishwashing soap and boiling water to bend wood for wooden boat hulls. Not as effective as steam or Ammonia but the green Joy makes enormous bubbles which assists in the proocess.

  • @videokilledaradiosta
    @videokilledaradiosta 8 років тому +2

    Thank you so very much for sharing your wood bending i make wands and need to make a curved one and this solved my questions

  • @Necro616
    @Necro616 9 років тому +1

    Excellent job! This helped me to get the info I needed for my current project. Thank you for contributing!

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  9 років тому

      Thanks - pleased to help.

    • @Necro616
      @Necro616 9 років тому

      A quick question, though. Should I use any type of wood in particular and does the age of the wood affect its pliability? I had a piece of a dowel rod lying around and it never got very pliable. Even boiled it for longer than an hour.

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  9 років тому

      Cyber1080 Hi generally green wood i.e. freshly felled will bend more easily because of its moisture content.....though some people say ash is best left a year! lots of science and folklore on this. Most woods will bend....ash is especially good in the UK for chairs etc. ...but give what ever you have a go....there are various bending charts around that indicate what is good.....and lots of research on this!

    • @Necro616
      @Necro616 9 років тому

      Awesome. Thanks for the advice. I'll be sure to give the research a look. I make blades of various shapes and I sometimes have the need to bend the handle. Thanks again!

  • @deezynar
    @deezynar 11 років тому

    You never fail to impress, Harry. That's a load of specialized gear you've invested time and money in and it seems to be repaying you well. It was fun for me to see you running about so. I look forward to seeing the next step.

  • @ramradhakrishnan9382
    @ramradhakrishnan9382 2 роки тому +1

    Very informative video! I am going to try softening a few 1/2" dowels in the kitchen wok when the missus is away😉. I wonder if the whole operation might be a little less frenetic if you pre-heat the shaping jigs just prior to inserting the pieces and starting the clamping? It might just buy a few more minutes of working time by slowing down the cooling.

  • @jolllyroger1
    @jolllyroger1 10 років тому +6

    If you keep your wood above the water with only maybe 1/4 inch water in bottom then cover the top then your wood will be steaming. ?.. steam has higher temp than boiling bringing the cellulose fibres in the wood to the plastic or elastic point allowing much easier bending with much less springback also keeping strength higher in the wood

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  10 років тому +3

      steaming is good ...see my continuous arm bending film for example, but boiling is easy and works well ...so take your choice, but your points are right and very good ones.

  • @franciscoluna9596
    @franciscoluna9596 Рік тому

    That so great Harry, thanks a bunch for a practical and easy way to bent chair parts, this solves my problem, great video!

  • @paulw4259
    @paulw4259 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks Harry.

  • @easunda
    @easunda 10 років тому

    Hi, there, a contribution to Paul Cuffaro's question on how a drilled wood can behave when being bet. Where I live, I seen electricians bend the plastic pipes (u know where the wiring goes through around the house) using sand and of course heat. Sand in this case prevents the plastic from collapsing thus making nice smooth curves.
    Paul, drill the wood, fill it with sand and make sure to compact it as tight as you can by putting in little by little. Use a narrow stick with flat end to push it in and compact (Like the traditional guns= remember those you put in gun powder a ball bearing and push it down the barrel= hope you get the idea).
    Boil or steam and then bend! After cooling off and staying in the vices for an hour or any appropriate time depending on what wood you are working on, just remove and tap your piece on a table or anything to draw the sand out.
    The inside will be very clean.
    Oh! remember sand will enable the steam or hot water to soften the wood from inside the core more efficient than plastic.
    Hope this length suggestion was helpful. Regards=Eric

  • @rubygray7749
    @rubygray7749 7 років тому +1

    You just have such a fun life! I love watching all the traditional crafts you do, and indeed learn to do some of them myself. Unfortunately in Tasmania, we don't have a Bodger's Ball or similar organised group, although there are some artisans who practise these skills.
    Do you have any allotment videos up? Nothing better than watching a bit of extreme gardening to kindle the enthusiasm!

  • @purplepenguina.k.a.burlyma6845
    @purplepenguina.k.a.burlyma6845 9 років тому +1

    This is very impressive my friend.

  • @RickJones222
    @RickJones222 5 років тому +1

    Wonderful work!

  • @memyselfandi7782
    @memyselfandi7782 3 роки тому

    Im a college student (2nd term) and for my art class i have to make wearable art. Im going with wood for my bodice. I dont have all the equipment you have, but im taking some notes on what i could use. Tysm for posting. Ill let you know how it goes

  • @OscarSuau1975
    @OscarSuau1975 8 років тому +1

    Congratulations!!
    Good Job!!

  • @HAGSOLO
    @HAGSOLO 5 років тому

    Ok Harry, crazy old lady in Ohio here. I picked up a junked oak windsor years ago and am finally looking at it.
    The BOW is distorted. The right side is much more open, the fron end of the bow anchored in the seat is a degraded dried out mess.
    Everything else is decent - mending the splits in the seat is pretty straightforward... except of course on the right there is a split about 1.5" in: because of the slumping bow on that side.
    I have almost no experience, but I have good clamps, good glue, enormous curiosity and ridiculous romance about abandoned chairs.
    Assuming that I can knock it apart without breaking or damaging anything more than it already is, can I boil the whacked section of this bow? Soak it in hot water?
    The kinetics of pressure/force are incomprehensible to me: if the wood were ever malleable enough to correct, HOW do I strap that conformation into place?
    LOL. I know how foolish and unanswerable this is. I just realized it was good to just say words about the whole thing. The singular quixotic nature of my messing about without a clue makes me smile at myself as I would a child.
    Thanks for triggering the effort.♡

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  5 років тому

      Hello Judith...great you are having a think about this...I suspect it might be difficult to rework what is there. A side of me likes living with the character of imperfection in an old piece of furniture. Perhaps there is a Greenwood group near where you live to have a go at working on this with you..good luck.

  • @tanyakennedy6868
    @tanyakennedy6868 3 роки тому +1

    This is exactly what I needed for my next project. Curious what type of wood is the best for this process?

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  3 роки тому

      Hi Tanya...I was using ash which is pretty good....it was green wood not seasoned.

  • @paolocuffaro4848
    @paolocuffaro4848 11 років тому +1

    i wanted to make a pipe stem, and i want it to have a bent stem, so i am wondering, if i were to drill a hole down the centre of the wood, would i still be able to bend the wood, or would the wood break?

  • @jaysexton3886
    @jaysexton3886 3 роки тому

    I now understand the idea of bending wood. I also see ways to improve this process, such as metal jigs versus wood jigs, and pre setting lumber into the metal jigs, submerging the wood and jigs together to boil. Shape the wood in the boiling water then remove all together to dry while still being pressed. This guy was panic working, trying to shape the wood before it cooled down, not taking the time to align all the pieces prior to bending.

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  3 роки тому

      Hi Jay - Pause and it will get too cold and stress. It may look like panic to you, but I knew exactly what I was doing, as you can see in the finished chair.

  • @FiikusMaximus
    @FiikusMaximus 4 роки тому +1

    You're great mate! Cheers!

  • @highanddryful
    @highanddryful 4 роки тому

    Thank you for this tutorial, it’s been very helpful. I have a composite bamboo broom pole 1.35m x 22mm which I wish to transform into a walking cane with the bent crook to serve as an handle on one end. I am building a steam plybox. Do I need to place the entire stick into the steam box or is it possible to place just the one end into the box that requires the bending? My worry is that if I steam the entire stick it may bend along the entire length while I apply force to acquire the desired the bend for the handle side that will be is a jig.

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  4 роки тому

      Hi Eddy...just heat up the bit you want to bend...so no need to place the whole stick in the box...seal off the box end that the stick is sticking out with blocks of foam or rags...but watch out the steam is deadly hot, and obviously don't block the end to the extent it becomes a cannon!

  • @marcelorios3251
    @marcelorios3251 3 роки тому

    Good job, im trying to bending australian red cedar buts has too much spring back, anyway i love play with fire and steam :-)

  • @sussexseaangler1858
    @sussexseaangler1858 4 роки тому

    You could also try boiling water in them as you bend them. I believe that may help.

  • @gateway8833
    @gateway8833 5 років тому +1

    Never thought of boiling the wood, I have steamed wood a few million times. How much Spring Back do you get? Do you find that the wood requires a great deal of oiling?

  • @hentzant
    @hentzant 11 років тому

    Hi harry thanks for another interesting video.what is the advantage of boiling rather than steaming the components.

  • @marktwain4095
    @marktwain4095 2 роки тому

    Thankyou for this. How much time should i let boil the wood? Or how can i know if it's ready to bend it?

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  2 роки тому +1

      A good hour...trial and error!

    • @marktwain4095
      @marktwain4095 2 роки тому

      @@harryrogers Thankyou mr Rogers.

  • @shuva8437
    @shuva8437 4 роки тому

    Hi boiling wooden door is good for house? Is it long lasting? Reply me please.

  • @angel_villegas
    @angel_villegas 3 роки тому

    Would it be reasonable to use this method to un bend a bent pool cue?

  • @LynxSouth
    @LynxSouth 2 роки тому

    I've watched twice+, and I'm wondering what you'd do (differently?) to make a matching pair or set of chairs. I'm trying to understand how craftsmen made one chair at a time and still reliably got near-enough identical results. For example, would it be important to measure & align the parts just so in the bending formers? I plan to watch this chair to completion, so if you address this issue later on, I'll hear it there.
    (Gorgeous sweater; kudos to Mrs. Rogers!)

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  2 роки тому +1

      Hi I made all curved parts an inch or two longer so that you can match up the the curves perfectly and then trim.

    • @LynxSouth
      @LynxSouth 2 роки тому

      @@harryrogers Simple, effective, and low-stress. Thank you.

  • @fallenslave6684
    @fallenslave6684 6 років тому +1

    Thank you soo much I wanted to find out exactly this!!!!

  • @boil_king
    @boil_king Рік тому

    legendary boiler!

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  Рік тому

      It was made from an old central heating tank.

  • @TheVoodooalpaca
    @TheVoodooalpaca 11 років тому

    Looking good. Could you put. Lid on the boiling bath to save gas? Not a tight fitting one of course....
    Chooks are looking well.
    Phill

  • @ahmedshokr5978
    @ahmedshokr5978 7 років тому

    perfect and i ask if the boiling water affect on the wood properties ? and what is the difference between it and steam way??d

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  7 років тому

      ahmed shokr boiling or steaming the wood seasons it...so it becomes hard. Boiling and steaming have the same result...for smaller bits boiling is easy....for larger bits steaming might be easier.

  • @nobackhands
    @nobackhands 6 років тому +2

    can you demo bending a spiral

  • @BobBlarneystone
    @BobBlarneystone 8 років тому

    interesting. re the blue leg form clamps, it might be easier to delete the crossbar, drop them onto the bolts with the nuts on top, and then wrench them down with a ratchet & socket, and maybe an automotive pneumatic wrench. that would be quicker and easier than twisting all the way down the shafts of the bolts.

  • @harryrogers
    @harryrogers  11 років тому

    Thanks deezynar - the oak bending frame came out of a skip! but I did have to pay scrap price for the copper boiler, and that is expensive!

  • @gammipapa
    @gammipapa 4 роки тому +1

    молодец ,спасибо

  • @daanvangeijlswijk7787
    @daanvangeijlswijk7787 2 роки тому

    Great experiment. But how about showing the result? I tried similar methods, but only after opening the clamps one can tell the result. Often they just jump back to almos their original form.

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  2 роки тому

      I got a bit of springback, you can see the results in part 7 or 8 or whatever 😊, also my making a saddlers clam has woodbeining by boiling in it if that helps.

  • @DelawareCotons
    @DelawareCotons 4 роки тому

    Did you finish the chair?

  • @Solomonstemplefoods
    @Solomonstemplefoods 9 місяців тому

    How do you soften It

  • @Regishumberto1
    @Regishumberto1 8 років тому

    Hello Friend! very cool this process! I have some questions, if you can help me ... First, what is this wood? How long should I boil mardeira? And pure water, or have some chemical agent? The boiling time differs in relation to the thickness of the wood? Thank you.

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  8 років тому

      ash tree...green wood .....an hour approx per inch of thickness....no chemicals

    • @Regishumberto1
      @Regishumberto1 8 років тому

      Thank you for quick return!

  • @nobackhands
    @nobackhands 6 років тому

    If you can do that in the back yard...what could he do inside shop

  • @metralla
    @metralla 9 років тому

    Hello Harry, I just subscribed, you got an amazing channel!
    Where do you get all those wooden staves in the video at 6:12 ? do you have a supplier in the UK? I'm always looking for bow material and what you got in there looks ideal

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  9 років тому

      panzerfausto some of it was off my sisters yew tree, and the ash was from a friend who is a member of bodgers uk

  • @siyada3541
    @siyada3541 5 років тому

    Nice .vedio. do you have vedio of making round handle. Turning square wood into round handle shape.

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  5 років тому

      I have two on making rounder planes in the woodworking playlist.

  • @bigred675
    @bigred675 8 років тому

    Weld a nut on top and then u can use an impact maybe to speed up the bending process on those longer sections

  • @SyarifKalapahejo
    @SyarifKalapahejo 5 років тому

    Hai +harryrogers : [ASK] : i have a pattern on the wood, and next i will drill it. and bend it too. what first i do? drill it, or bend it (by boilling)? thank you

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  5 років тому

      Hi bend and then drill it...as drilling before bending would create weak spots for bending. Rgds Harry

    • @SyarifKalapahejo
      @SyarifKalapahejo 5 років тому

      @@harryrogers wow thank you...for your answer. Sorry my English is not good :)

  • @CocaLeeveStepper
    @CocaLeeveStepper 9 років тому

    Great work! Any reason why you choose not to use power tools to fit the mold?

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  9 років тому

      +Henrik Emanuelsson Sorry I don't quite follow what you are asking...the wood is hand riven (split from a log) for strength. Harry

    • @CocaLeeveStepper
      @CocaLeeveStepper 9 років тому

      +Harry Rogers Sorry. What I meant is why don't use power tools for the tightening part? It looked kind of tricky to tightening it with both hands while holding the piece down. Therefore I was wondering if there is any particular reason why you don't use power tools when tightening the bolts? Wouldn't that make the process less tricky?

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  9 років тому

      +Henrik Emanuelsson Yes - good point it probably would be easier, though I do not have any big power tools for that....thanks for the idea though.

  • @steampunk217
    @steampunk217 5 років тому

    How much time need to boiling the wood ?
    How long need to dry the boiled wood bended ?

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  5 років тому +1

      A good hour for the boiling, and ideally three days in the former. If you want to see how we do this high speed and break every convention, please see my film "Can we make a chair in a day?"

  • @vattenmannen
    @vattenmannen 7 років тому

    Will longer soak time compensate for lower temperature? I can get my bathwater to 50 degrees and plan to soak (8mm thick oak) for about 5 h. Will that work or is it a given failure?

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  7 років тому

      I am doubtful...plain soaking works on very thin material ....you can always try it and see but at that thickness I think you will need some proper heat

    • @vattenmannen
      @vattenmannen 7 років тому

      Ok thanks for the input! Did some experiments with boiling water on the stove and pouring it in the bathtub. Then i can get the temperature to about 85 degrees Celsius. I will grind down a the wood aswell, will I be able to bend 5 mm at 85 degrees?

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  7 років тому

      Vattenmannen I think it's a matter of try it and see...I think it really needs to boil but it might work.

    • @rubygray7749
      @rubygray7749 7 років тому

      Old bathtubs cost only about $10 here, so it would be worthwhile buying one and setting it over a fire source, I would think! If it didn't work, you could turn it into a strawberry planter!

  • @ferenovacaouniao3014
    @ferenovacaouniao3014 8 років тому

    Congratulations friend, from here Brazil. How mutch time the wood need stay on water heat ? Thank a lot God Save the Queen and you too. Hugs

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  8 років тому +1

      Hi....about 45 mins to an hour...it takes some experimentation....thanks and all the best to you

    • @ferenovacaouniao3014
      @ferenovacaouniao3014 8 років тому

      Thank a lot friend God bless you. I undesrtood ok go on help us around the world. Hugs again

  • @miraisono4007
    @miraisono4007 9 років тому

    2 questions:
    How long did you leave the wodden parts innto boiling water? 1 hour maybe?
    How long did you leave the wooden parts in the curved stamps?
    Sorry but I'm not english mothertongue so did not understand everything :(

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  9 років тому

      +Mirai Sono 45 mins to one hour for boiling and ideally three days in the straps

    • @miraisono4007
      @miraisono4007 9 років тому

      +Harry Rogers thanks, and is it possible to apply this method also to glued wooden layers or the glue might melt?

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  9 років тому

      +Mirai Sono I have not tried it....I suspect the glue would fail......give it a go perhaps!

    • @miraisono4007
      @miraisono4007 9 років тому

      +Harry Rogers thanks for your help!

  • @MakeitExtreme
    @MakeitExtreme 9 років тому +1

    very nice:)

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  9 років тому

      +Make it Extreme Thanks - I also do some bending by boiling in the saddlers clam film.

  • @TheWeiCZ
    @TheWeiCZ 9 років тому +1

    Hello, what temperature is the water and how long do you have the wood underneath the water? :)

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  9 років тому +1

      Lukáš Pfeffer Ideally the water is boiling and time depends on thickness and moisture content - but generally a good half hour or so and probably more like an hour.

  • @bigred675
    @bigred675 8 років тому +1

    I see bob touched on the subject whoops!

  • @TSIRHCSEVAS
    @TSIRHCSEVAS 5 років тому

    what is more effective steam or boiling?

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  5 років тому

      Hi both heat the wood so it's really down to what is easier to do, and to get sufficient heat. On a snowy day with small parts boiling is handy as it will heat up quick, but you could equally steam and that works fine as well. Rgds Harry

  • @ryanperea3743
    @ryanperea3743 3 роки тому

    How many hour to boil??ang how.many hours to bend

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  3 роки тому

      Hi Ryan...boil for a good hour to get the heat in, bend very quickly, and hold in frame for a day or so. That is general principle, but can vary....take a look at the Making a chair in a day video..for example.

    • @ryanperea3743
      @ryanperea3743 3 роки тому

      @@harryrogers i boil for 1 hour today and i bend in 12 hours it is ok???

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  3 роки тому

      @@ryanperea3743 Bend it whole very hot...wear gloves...and then 12 hours in a frame to hold the bend may be OK...ideally longer, but you will soon find what works for you.

    • @ryanperea3743
      @ryanperea3743 3 роки тому

      @@harryrogers if i bend the wood in 12hrs it is ok????thank im from the philippines

  • @Thetreetroll
    @Thetreetroll 11 років тому

    TY good Video

  • @alsalemcnc7462
    @alsalemcnc7462 3 роки тому

    How many time want to heating?

  • @Ray2001ify
    @Ray2001ify 6 років тому

    could I bend a 12mm Dowel to 90 deg?....its pine

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  6 років тому

      Vernon Ray I think that would split...hardwood is best and avoid 90 degree as very severe.

    • @Ray2001ify
      @Ray2001ify 6 років тому

      Harry Rogers thanks for the info 😀

  • @australianreptiles
    @australianreptiles 7 років тому +2

    "That one there lays blue eggs." - Harry Rogers

  • @djšomo-89
    @djšomo-89 11 років тому

    very instructive video

  • @privatesouthafrica1112
    @privatesouthafrica1112 3 роки тому

    Would be 10 times more efficient if your bath had a lid

    • @harryrogers
      @harryrogers  3 роки тому

      Yes good point....I need to cook more 😊

  • @scor440
    @scor440 6 років тому

    You dont have a rachet wrench or a lmpact man thats to much work