i would like to mention:roland doesnt wear armor,but the clothes that high level fixers use are considered as good as heavy plate armor. using either expensive thread-woven clothes or metal is more a choice of convenience,weight,cost and aesthetics than anything
Wouldn't even matter the difference in what guts is fighting vs what roland is fighting is not even in the same realm , while guts is fighting angels and gods roland is fighting humans with super human strength , knowing that rolands story was finished while guts hasnt even gotten to reach his peak power and putting then against each other is straight up criminal (and very untrue in how this fight would go either way)
@gastergiovanna9793 calling the pmoon guys just humans with superhuman strength is a disservice. Roland beat the purple tear,who can hop through time and dimensions at will and arbiters,who have control over concepts
@@gastergiovanna9793 Guts does not fight any gods, almost all the apostles are similar to the mutants from Resident Evil, but on a mystical and magical basis, only a few of them use really strong magical abilities. Those who in the works of "Berserk" somehow resemble the gods are representatives of the God Hand " and the "Idea of Evil", the "Skull Knight" with his Behelite sword, and maybe the apostle Ganishka, the rest can be destroyed with + - or more overwhelming physical damage, for example, powerful explosives, or massive large-caliber fire. In the universe of Library of Ruin and Lobotomy corporation, there are mystical, magical weapons, giant chain-swords/saws, just giant swords, prestigious suits with business jackets that are not inferior in strength to heavy armor, and other technologies that are inaccessible to the world of Berserk.
@unnamed-sp9hu me when im lying and shit , everything in lob corp and ruina and even limbus company does not get close to comparing witj heavenly beings , besides guts never reached his full potential, further more guts fought one of the weakest apostles around and not to mention we dont know how strong griffith himself is , the series is no where near over and with that alone thats enough to invalidate this fight
@@lukelblitz3627 me when angels and demons and the story isnt finished yet , besides the strongest color fixer was gebura in her prime and shes barely comparable to zodd
If we are talking about “Peak of Human physiology” then it has to be Kali, The Red Mist. In her prime, in the raid of the first lab, she suppressed all abnormalities, including ALEPHs, killed 2 Executioners of Claws and then managed to kill Garion/Binah, a f*cking Arbiter, at the cost of her own life. Gebura is a severely nerfed Kali so there’s no inconsistency in strength.
Roland was NEVER the black silence. Angelica was, he just took her weapons and because his face was covered people just assumend they were the black silence whilest he went on a rampage, killing thousands of people by himself untill his weapons were confiscated by his old best friend, who gave them back near the end of LoR. Roland himself has only been a rank 1 fixer, which wasnt because he was much weaker than color fixers, but because his mask made him hard to remember.
to be fair, he is unofficial as a Colour fixer. For a guy who is more of a steath type, he could fight along with Angelica, battle with Argalia and win, then to hang with the Arbiter and Claw for a while till Gebura and Bihna came to help. Roland is strong, to the level of a colour, he even has the gloves in his arsenal, he is just lacking the official title by Hana. Even in the artbook, when he wears the mask, he is called "Black slience"
hana literally designated him as the black silence after pianist, you are just straight up wrong by saying he "never" was, he just got booted down to grade 9 after his rampage
@@user-dyegbauIn the cutscene they met it was said out right they were both rank 1 there's a fan theory that the black silence was always the 2 working together only roland never got credit due to the mask and that the roland phase 3 fight was the true black silence
In the City, even general clothing could be considered busted as hell in comparison to other verses due to the process they’re made by the differing workshops. Hell, Gut’s Armor isn’t even anything abnormal to something you could find in the City. The Rhino suits of R-Corp could be considered something IMMENSELY BETTER than the Beserker Armor if it didn’t drain the life of the person inside of it. Point being, people highly under-scale the things in the city since it’s not explicitly stated. Not to mention, Roland fought a Star of the City for two weeks straight and was still able to turn around and fight three of the currently strongest type of beings in the setting until backup arrived. I LOVE Guts, but Dragonslayer was gonna get cracked in twain the moment it came in contact with Wheels Industry. // edit: typo
I greatly prefer your project moon power scaling videos, simply for the research put into it, as opposed to making it a flashy short with crummy terminology and no explanations. Seriously good work, love it!
4:35 that's not right the cloth of the city was said to be supernaturally protective roland casual suit might as well be a space marine power armour and I'm not even off in this comparison i think they spoke about cloth in the carnival it's also likely that his skin alone is just as tough considering what the materials the navum fabrics are made of that's due to the augmentation that high fixers get also you missed that roland before fighting the head eye claw had been fighting for 7 days straight
The 7 days straight thing can't be confirmed. He was fighting for a long time, but the 7 days would have been the full Tree of Light, but even then Angela's light was both cut short by Roland, and only had the light she stole back. He was fighting a minimum of 3.5 days though.
@byyuwryy7905 Roland pulled out Angela last minute on day 7 and I don't think he took a break during the re ensemble fight which lasted 7 days even if he didn't fight that long he probably never rested either
@@byyuwryy7905 at the start of the game angela and the library had 4 days worth of light, and everything that happened in lor happened to recover the 3 days worth of light that were used by lcorp, angelas intention was to use all of the light and roland took her out of the light at the last day, so roland was fighting for a bit less than 7 days
Depends on whether this is Roland during his massacre, while Angelica was alive, or in the library During the massacre unless you can talk your way out well you are getting attacked With Angelica they would probably (?) talk it out In the library if guts is a "guest" then it's a fight without question
@@ooftime2557 correction: if its during his massacre its not likely roland would attack guts unless he found a reason for guts to be related to the pianist
Guts spots multiple dead bodies on the streets, then follows along, assuming it was the work of an apostle Roland coping and seething while bashing some random guy: "Feel the pain of having no wife to make you Sandwich!" He raises his head then spots the mysterious man in the distance "Come any closer, I promise you'll dead." Guts eases the tension and clears his doubts now donning a pleaded face. "No wife, you said? I once lost it all to a white-haired twink, I guess you're just another victim of that damned femboy." He walks away slowly, pitying the man as he mumbles "It is what it is." Roland, dumbfounded and surprised to his cores now washed up with the realizations: That man, as if he were born from a corpse, started his life in mud seeking for vengeance.. a white-haired twink, no way.. could he possibly be, chasing Argalia??? Is that asshole responsible for all of this madness?!?!? In the end, none of them fought each other. They were both blindly in pursuit of a femboy.
@@user-dyegbauhave you... played library of ruina or are you just spoon fed information? Roland's weapons aren't just "really well made" in his reception at phase 4 he uses e.g.o this makes his weapons UNBREAKABLE in relation to his mental state, he also has the perception blocking mask, which makes it harder to notice someone unless you focus on them, keep in mind he used his e.g.o in a horrible mental state and he was half dead practically, hes on par with Kali if not stronger
@@ethancolbourne5908 roland in his reception was drawing the line between ego and distorting we still havent seen his full ego or even partially manifested unless you want to assume phase 4 was his partal ego, his weapons legit are just really well made he is NOT stronger then kali and he never will be unless shin and mang are giant power boosts and we see him using them
@@ethancolbourne5908you did not need to be so harsh on the guy but either way roland resonated with the library and did NOT manifest ego during his reception
Grimm solos, his story also more tragic ... where is Alice? Lewis Carroll was a teacher at Oxward College around 18th century. He retired from teaching and became a tutor to the three daughters of his friend, the principal of Oxward College. The three girls were Lorina Liddell, the eldest, next is Alice Liddell, and the youngest Edith Liddell. Carroll's relationship with the three girls was extremely close, especially with Alice (love). Three girls' father noticed something unusual about Carroll and asked him to quit his job as a tutor for his family. Carroll lived his whole life in solitude, thinking about Alice day and night. She also missed him very much, even though she grew up and married another man, but she had no real feelings for her husband. One day Carroll received an invitation to attend a Christmas party from Alice. He was very happy but was soon disappointed, because Alice was no longer the little girl of the past but was now a married woman with children (her child was about 20 years old). Carroll left the party, ran in the rain, and prayed to any god to bring back the Alice of the past to him. And Outer God Mary Sue answered. She destroys Carroll's world, combining Carroll's soul with the souls of 7 other great writers to create the most twisted and cruel fairy tales for Mary Sue to enjoy. But Nyarlathotep stoled Grimm from Mary Sue. Nyarlathotep created a clone of himself in the form of Alice to enjoy an endless tea party with Grimm and the black rabbit Prayer Master. Gods have no feelings but this clone of Alice gradually developed feelings for Grimm and he also developed feelings for her. Prayer Master felt betrayed and jealous of Grimm, Prayer Master prayed for the endless tea party to end, so that the friendship between the three could remain the same. Mary Sue's power is to grant wishes, she entered Wonderland and killed Alice, ending the tea party, creating The Lost Empire, forcing Prayer Master to become the guardian of the Sacred Forest and erasing Grimm's memories. Combining twisted fairy tales for Grimm to explore. This is what happened before the events of Black Souls I and Black Souls 2 DLC 3. The game is way more depressing and tragic.
My friend told me this, but i don't know much about Pmoon's lore, so Roland or fixers that wears suits aren't the normal suit, they're served as a armor and protection, like a bullet proof suit.
You are literally the only person who makes detailed power scaling videos about project Moon. The only other one I know about does really basic power scaling shorts were they just list the character of stats and says what character has better stats without explaining anything about either I'm actually kind of surprised there are more project moon power scalars given how much combat happens in these stories. Any wake up the good work hope inspire more people to do this.
Roland was called the Black Silence because that was the name people gave him and gave himself due to the death of his wife and his rampage across the city (Musicians of Bremen call him the Black Silence but its more safe to assume that Roland just became and surpassed Angelica) Philip gave the Unstable page of The Crying Children during his first distortion fight despite not really being named probably either because that’s what Philip called himself or The Light has future seeing powers As well as Kali who gave the page of The Red Mist its only her title but that’s what she was called by most people
@@judehanma tf 😭😭😭 not Sportacus the guy who lifted an entire pyramid for excercises and even golfed a ball to the moon at an insane speed with controlled force😭
Something that you forgot -- By the epilogue of Ruina, Roland had been fighting against other Grade 1/Color Fixer level beings for over a week, AFTER his suppression. Which means that after plowing through every floor of the library, finally taking a knee and giving up, Roland still had the strength to stand back up and fight against the entire Reverberation ensemble, and THEN a distorted Argalia for an entire week straight, and still won. And Kali is still stronger than Roland lol
Would like to correct a small thing on Rolands side. He is not unarmored. During one Mission in the game it is explained that people are woven into Fibers by certain beings, whereby stronger people translate to tougher fibers. His Suit is made up of some of the most impressive fibers you can get on the market given he has many priceless weapons in his possession. The Suit keeps him from suffering otherwise mortal wounds should he be hit by attacks from almost anything.
@@Simpo-iu6gx the people of the city have augmentations for reference to how good those are a rank 8 fixer who is literal cannon fodder with a strength augmentation could left 1giant chainsaw great sword likely weighing half a ton with only 1 hand casually too
There seems to be a lot of conflicting information in the video, comments, other comments that correct those comments, and even more comments that correct those comments as well 😂
One minor nitpick part that isn’t that major but still makes roland even more impressive in my eyes. He wasn’t the original Black Silence. That was his wife’s title with his only weapon prior to her death being Durandal. The main reason why I found this so cool is it means that he mastered the gloves and turned the fighting style into his own in the middle of his rampage across the city. Just it communicates how adaptable and talented is by learning essentially on the fly how to fight at a level where everyone just assumed he was the black silence. Again its not a massive issue or anything just wanted an excuse to gush about Roland ^^
@@tapseymoth803 He's used the gloves several times before his rampage actually. We know this because he's tested out Angelica's other weapons on missions quite a bit, having to apologise to her for accidentally breaking the Mook workshop weapon. He also had the gloves with him when The Pianist appeared, had he not taken the gloves with him on the mission to help Olivier Angelica would've still been alive since she'd have been able to defend herself.
I have to ask this but did you even play Ruina? Also is this Library Roland or pre Library Roland? Both fold Guts either way but in Library Rolands case he folds pretty much everything because The Library hard carries him.
guts is really awesome and in the PM setting would 100% be color material, but my man is working with 13th century equipment(If say gut were transported to the PM setting the dragon slayer and berserker armor would likely scale in a way similar to EGO equipment due to their emotional/platonic weight(they would effectively being psuedo ego equipment/tool abnos do to existing inbetween the sea of human conciousness and reality due to all the apostles/ghosts/ect. it's murdered. also guts would 100% instantly gain a very unstable EGO that would likely combo very well wiht his current equipment similar to Gebura and the EGO equipment she used, everything else like the cannon arm, knives, crossbow, ect. would be effectively useless in comparison but he could easily scrape up replacements in the city) but by what he does within berserk his altho magical 13th century equipment and just about super human capabilities isn't going to be enough to deal with a guy that has multiple crazy future guns that make modern firearms let alone a 13th century minicannon look anemic in comparison. however as stated if you say move guts into the PM setting and have it's rules applied to him, he's probably going to be on par with prime time lobcorp Gebura. so uhhhhhh guts in PM universe=guts has like a 90% chance to win Roland in Berserk universe/if each person's universe's rules only applied to themselves=Roland has a 99% chance to win really wacky shit when the setting itself can decide a victor, also Berserk would be a really short Manga if EGO was a thing
Idk about that, if ego was a thing then people have greater chance to fend for themselves against the crushing power of the apostles and other monsters, but then again it's not like obtaining ego is ever easy if your will is weak so perhaps it might end up being more detrimental to people than it is usefull on a general basis.
@@larrytherustyboii7442 as you said at the end, most people need a VERY strong will to manifest EGO, and I dont see why Guts of all people wouldn't apply to that tbh. Its actually a fun idea thinking of guts with EGO.
@@judehanma why the baby version of Broly??? Binah could beat adult broly. Not adult goku though. Binah, as an arbiter and a claw is a reality bender and one of the strongest people in the city. Broly is a meathead powerhouse with no strategy, which is the reason he got beat by goku and vegeta. Binah would outplay him again and again, chipping him down.
Roland while not a Colour but a Grade 1 that sure as hell comparable to a Colour is terrifying His wife Angelica is the actual Black Silence colour Fixer but people mixed them up for 2 reasons 1. Roland's Mask make it hard to remember or even see him 2. The Gloves which Angelica use are the Sound Silencing glove hence the title, which combine with the 1st reason actually make Roland the equivalent of M1 Abrams that somehow has hi tech Stealth camo that also silenced their movement while moving really fast and destroying everything
@@wackymulter As far as i understand it, there can only be one colour fixer alive or in action. If there is already an existing colour fixer then there can't be another with the same colour unless that colour fixer is death or gone missing long enough to considered dead. This lead to some Grade 1 fixer having the strength of a colour fixer yet unable to become one.
Roland isn't necessarily that fast. I’d say Vergillius is faster than Roland. He is incredibly fast, but he is represented more by his stamina and endurance than anything else. He fought for 2 weeks straight against the Reverberation Ensemble. Fought and killed Distorted Argalia, pulled Angela out of the light, and then fought an Arbiter and an Claw.
correction: Verg isnt faster or even any better than roland, dude got drawed by 60 y.o Iori while roland canonically won her while she was 50 in the library 💀 correction 2: he fought for a week straight, not 2 correction 3: it wasnt just a claw, it was the claw's leader, thus beril is noticeably stronger than a regular claw agent
@@uznik399 I see a fault in the logic here... If Iori got turned into a book at the library at the age of 50, how did she manage to beat Vergillius at 60? Also, I don't remember it stating anywhere that Baral was a Claw Leader...
@@uznik399 Correction: Roland fought her in the library, this means he wins by default because the library hard carried him, feats in the library can't be counted because he's giga buffed by it and also the library cannot lose after an invitation is signed. Only uninvited guests have the slightest chance of winning. Correction 2: True, although it should be noted that he was right next to the pillar of light so even if he did fight for 1 week straight it's not due to his own stamina this was possible but due to being light infused (this is true for Argalia and the ensemble as well) Correction 3: There's nothing to indicate Baral was an especially strong Claw, as we have never fought any Claws before (no, the lob corp ones aren't real Claws, they're manifestations of Ayins trauma just like the other ordeals) so for all we know their title is always Executioner of the Claw. It's like how Zena is introduced as an Arbiter of the Head.
I think I have another good matchup for Roland. How about Roland versus Batman. Specifically whichever version of the Batman is most similar to Roland in terms of stats so the fight would be interesting.
@@WannaPlay. he just inherited that title from angelica. they are worked as duo and also works primarily as assassins, so not very much people knows their identity beside hana organisation
@@WannaPlay. all i wanted to say, hana organisation never recognized his might so much to give him a color title. the only reason why he was called a black silence was a misunderstanding. i wonder, will that fact change author of this video opinion about who will win
A way i've told people what Roland can do is... Imagine Raiden from Metal Gear Revengence, but hes completely silent, has multiple weapons that can cut through steel like butter, and is faster and has more stamina/can take hits better.
theres only a few people in jjk verse who wouldnt get no diffed by kali and that just comes from their overpowered abilities to prevent any damage at all unless its a verse-specific case (and dont forget binah wields a literal butter knife in quality, as its said to be just a prototype of ego weapons and is much weaker than later prototypes)
@@uznik399 btw kali does a bunch more of less dmg and dont get the life steal of mimicry cuz is a prototype also we must remember how we get smashed for a copy of her that dont even wield like 50% of her power
Dodging bullets, even from close distance isn't massive hypersonic feat at all. You can do it with trans-sonic speed. Also not all bullets even have speed more than the speed of sound. And, because it's not a real world, it has different technologies and the speed wasnt stated anywhere, you cant state they have sonic+ speed. So this feat giving him such speed is just you fantasies.
Me when someone tries to powerscale PM (I feel my sins crawling on my back): P.S.: What I mean is... "Color Fixers are City Level" was originally my scaling take that I was proving. Later I realized that it was incorrect and heavily wanked. I used really awful relative scaling without any feats. Currently that my video (as well as most my PM powerscaling videos) is unlisted. P.P.S.: Mind, I do not say Guts win here. Roland 100% wins, but he is NOT City level. Nowhere near.
Roland's achievements tend to be because he has extraordinary endurance and stamina, and in other words he is a tank that fights infantry, of course he will not be able to destroy the city but has the stamina to finish off all the inhabitants inside.
@EricTruman-q5i yeah but "Attack Potency" means being able to deal damage with enough energy (as in physical energy) to destroy an object stated in AP (Attack Potency). Hence, AP of a City means being able to destroy a city or beat durability that can withstand damage that can destroy a full city.
I mean, they aren't city level in a traditional sense as they can't blow one to smithereens in a single attack. But I can see some backing that they could wipe out a real world city. The City in universe hosts 7 billion people across 26 districts, if you spread somehow the population in each district maybe each could hold the population of countries, or huge cities in a lowball. The Pianist wiped 80% of his district in minutes before being obliterated by Roland, that not to mention Roland afterwards rampage had it share of lasting effects in the City (look at the middle). I don't know, I feel like there something to say that WAWs and Colors are city levels.
Angela haters versus "griffith did nothing wrong" mfs would be more entertaining ngl
good idea
@@MilkshakeMan06 you could even say, i conceived an idea most ingenious.
@@Johnheartbreaking a WHAT most ingenious?
I am interested, after all my compass is curiosity
@@La-Manchaland-Don-Quixote it's john quixote of lamanchaland!!
Somebody walks up and says "your wife dead" and they both crash out
i would like to mention:roland doesnt wear armor,but the clothes that high level fixers use are considered as good as heavy plate armor. using either expensive thread-woven clothes or metal is more a choice of convenience,weight,cost and aesthetics than anything
Wouldn't even matter the difference in what guts is fighting vs what roland is fighting is not even in the same realm , while guts is fighting angels and gods roland is fighting humans with super human strength , knowing that rolands story was finished while guts hasnt even gotten to reach his peak power and putting then against each other is straight up criminal (and very untrue in how this fight would go either way)
@gastergiovanna9793 calling the pmoon guys just humans with superhuman strength is a disservice. Roland beat the purple tear,who can hop through time and dimensions at will and arbiters,who have control over concepts
@@gastergiovanna9793 Guts does not fight any gods, almost all the apostles are similar to the mutants from Resident Evil, but on a mystical and magical basis, only a few of them use really strong magical abilities. Those who in the works of "Berserk" somehow resemble the gods are representatives of the God Hand " and the "Idea of Evil", the "Skull Knight" with his Behelite sword, and maybe the apostle Ganishka, the rest can be destroyed with + - or more overwhelming physical damage, for example, powerful explosives, or massive large-caliber fire. In the universe of Library of Ruin and Lobotomy corporation, there are mystical, magical weapons, giant chain-swords/saws, just giant swords, prestigious suits with business jackets that are not inferior in strength to heavy armor, and other technologies that are inaccessible to the world of Berserk.
@unnamed-sp9hu me when im lying and shit , everything in lob corp and ruina and even limbus company does not get close to comparing witj heavenly beings , besides guts never reached his full potential, further more guts fought one of the weakest apostles around and not to mention we dont know how strong griffith himself is , the series is no where near over and with that alone thats enough to invalidate this fight
@@lukelblitz3627 me when angels and demons and the story isnt finished yet , besides the strongest color fixer was gebura in her prime and shes barely comparable to zodd
do The Pianist vs wives of other fictional characters when
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The Pianist vs. Robin (Chrom's wife)
Nahhh 💀
Do lesbian wives have to fight him two on one or only one dies
@@A.Singularityholy crap thats a star of the city level question
If we are talking about “Peak of Human physiology” then it has to be Kali, The Red Mist.
In her prime, in the raid of the first lab, she suppressed all abnormalities, including ALEPHs, killed 2 Executioners of Claws and then managed to kill Garion/Binah, a f*cking Arbiter, at the cost of her own life.
Gebura is a severely nerfed Kali so there’s no inconsistency in strength.
Well, she didn't really killed her but yeah.
As of the ending of ruina, she's back in full, so is binah
Just a reminder kali didnt exactly kill garion
Leaving Garion severely injured after all of that is still crazy
People really worship gen even if she has the personality of a cardboard on a gooday
CATHERINE! WHERE ARE YOU!
Legends say he's still looking for Catherine.
Wrong video bud.
@@Ashireiko_Tatsumi who is C&$%^£&$%ne?
Wrong vid
@@Adam-wg2rf My wife.
Roland was NEVER the black silence. Angelica was, he just took her weapons and because his face was covered people just assumend they were the black silence whilest he went on a rampage, killing thousands of people by himself untill his weapons were confiscated by his old best friend, who gave them back near the end of LoR. Roland himself has only been a rank 1 fixer, which wasnt because he was much weaker than color fixers, but because his mask made him hard to remember.
Didn't angelica become the black silence only after they started working as duo?
to be fair, he is unofficial as a Colour fixer. For a guy who is more of a steath type, he could fight along with Angelica, battle with Argalia and win, then to hang with the Arbiter and Claw for a while till Gebura and Bihna came to help. Roland is strong, to the level of a colour, he even has the gloves in his arsenal, he is just lacking the official title by Hana. Even in the artbook, when he wears the mask, he is called "Black slience"
@fluffytowels1145 she already was a color fixer before they teamed up. Roland was paired with her due to being such and outstanding grade 1
hana literally designated him as the black silence after pianist, you are just straight up wrong by saying he "never" was, he just got booted down to grade 9 after his rampage
@@user-dyegbauIn the cutscene they met it was said out right they were both rank 1 there's a fan theory that the black silence was always the 2 working together only roland never got credit due to the mask and that the roland phase 3 fight was the true black silence
The world of Berserker is practically a day in the backstreets
In the City, even general clothing could be considered busted as hell in comparison to other verses due to the process they’re made by the differing workshops. Hell, Gut’s Armor isn’t even anything abnormal to something you could find in the City. The Rhino suits of R-Corp could be considered something IMMENSELY BETTER than the Beserker Armor if it didn’t drain the life of the person inside of it.
Point being, people highly under-scale the things in the city since it’s not explicitly stated.
Not to mention, Roland fought a Star of the City for two weeks straight and was still able to turn around and fight three of the currently strongest type of beings in the setting until backup arrived. I LOVE Guts, but Dragonslayer was gonna get cracked in twain the moment it came in contact with Wheels Industry.
// edit: typo
I greatly prefer your project moon power scaling videos, simply for the research put into it, as opposed to making it a flashy short with crummy terminology and no explanations.
Seriously good work, love it!
same dude who said vergilius had human durability level and who genuinely compared vergilius vs homelander
@@ultramegazord2771 SUCH a fun video!
"Dodging bullets gives hypersonic+++" 😂 What a research!
4:35 that's not right the cloth of the city was said to be supernaturally protective roland casual suit might as well be a space marine power armour and I'm not even off in this comparison i think they spoke about cloth in the carnival it's also likely that his skin alone is just as tough considering what the materials the navum fabrics are made of that's due to the augmentation that high fixers get also you missed that roland before fighting the head eye claw had been fighting for 7 days straight
You're right about the Carnival. It's explained in the page that they create the cloth/fabric, I believe. Albeit, in a more darker way I think
The 7 days straight thing can't be confirmed. He was fighting for a long time, but the 7 days would have been the full Tree of Light, but even then Angela's light was both cut short by Roland, and only had the light she stole back. He was fighting a minimum of 3.5 days though.
@byyuwryy7905 Roland pulled out Angela last minute on day 7 and I don't think he took a break during the re ensemble fight which lasted 7 days even if he didn't fight that long he probably never rested either
@@byyuwryy7905 at the start of the game angela and the library had 4 days worth of light, and everything that happened in lor happened to recover the 3 days worth of light that were used by lcorp, angelas intention was to use all of the light and roland took her out of the light at the last day, so roland was fighting for a bit less than 7 days
Was that Z Broly vs Arbiter at the end 😭😭🙏
I like how arbiters can no diff almost every broken characters cause of singularitys
@@fyodortimofeyev1448 they're still vulnerable regardless.
@@User-mx1kq "Vulnerable"
-cut to both arbiters being the second tankiest things in the games they're in
unironically depending on how you interpret Argalia's Grand Finale mass attack the gap in strength isn't *that* big
ok bro z broly wins, no bias
Now real question, would they actually fight or just talk it out?
Depends on whether this is Roland during his massacre, while Angelica was alive, or in the library
During the massacre unless you can talk your way out well you are getting attacked
With Angelica they would probably (?) talk it out
In the library if guts is a "guest" then it's a fight without question
@@ooftime2557 correction: if its during his massacre its not likely roland would attack guts unless he found a reason for guts to be related to the pianist
Guts spots multiple dead bodies on the streets, then follows along, assuming it was the work of an apostle
Roland coping and seething while bashing some random guy:
"Feel the pain of having no wife to make you Sandwich!"
He raises his head then spots the mysterious man in the distance
"Come any closer, I promise you'll dead."
Guts eases the tension and clears his doubts now donning a pleaded face. "No wife, you said? I once lost it all to a white-haired twink, I guess you're just another victim of that damned femboy."
He walks away slowly, pitying the man as he mumbles "It is what it is."
Roland, dumbfounded and surprised to his cores now washed up with the realizations: That man, as if he were born from a corpse, started his life in mud seeking for vengeance.. a white-haired twink, no way.. could he possibly be, chasing Argalia??? Is that asshole responsible for all of this madness?!?!?
In the end, none of them fought each other. They were both blindly in pursuit of a femboy.
homelander vs ricardo pis
Homelander is cooked.
If homelander steals big bro’s hair coupon, he is done for
unironically a way more even fight than Vergilius, even if Ricardo still has a strength advantage.
I want to see Homelander turn into paste on the floor
HIDROGEN BOMB, VERSUS
COUGHING BABYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!! BEIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!1
they would fight for a week nonstop then go for a drink 🔥
let's build a carnival!
Then cry together over dead wife
Catherine... appear before me and tear me asunder... Let me see your eyes as I expire.
She's unfortunately got erased from existence
Who is catherine? What are you talking about? Take your pills bro
Roland and Guts would go fishing together and talk about life
One of these two got punched through 10 different layers of reality. Can you guess which one?
The one with a dead wife
@@thecursed_1lordofcats738leave my wife out of this😭
the one who’s title has black in it
the one that uses a sword
Sancho! I have concieved an Idea most ingenious!
wait, wrong video
1:08 Siegfried is NOT an color fixer... 😭
I mean Roland ain't either but this guy don't do his research
Siegfried is as powerful as color fixer(?)
@@buh-buh-cathe's canonically grade 1 I think
Close enough
@@judehanma so hes like dong hwan
Decent powerscaling right there. It’s hard to compare both of these guys.
If even Roland wins, just imagine what kind of crazy things The Red Mist would do to him😭🙏
Yeah especially since compared to everything else he just has really well made weapons and are good with them😭😭 no special effect or E.G.O
@@user-dyegbauhave you... played library of ruina or are you just spoon fed information? Roland's weapons aren't just "really well made" in his reception at phase 4 he uses e.g.o this makes his weapons UNBREAKABLE in relation to his mental state, he also has the perception blocking mask, which makes it harder to notice someone unless you focus on them, keep in mind he used his e.g.o in a horrible mental state and he was half dead practically, hes on par with Kali if not stronger
@@ethancolbourne5908 roland in his reception was drawing the line between ego and distorting we still havent seen his full ego or even partially manifested unless you want to assume phase 4 was his partal ego, his weapons legit are just really well made he is NOT stronger then kali and he never will be unless shin and mang are giant power boosts and we see him using them
@@ethancolbourne5908 It should be the library resonance not e.g.o.
@@ethancolbourne5908you did not need to be so harsh on the guy but either way roland resonated with the library and did NOT manifest ego during his reception
Grimm solos, his story also more tragic
... where is Alice?
Lewis Carroll was a teacher at Oxward College around 18th century. He retired from teaching and became a tutor to the three daughters of his friend, the principal of Oxward College. The three girls were Lorina Liddell, the eldest, next is Alice Liddell, and the youngest Edith Liddell. Carroll's relationship with the three girls was extremely close, especially with Alice (love). Three girls' father noticed something unusual about Carroll and asked him to quit his job as a tutor for his family. Carroll lived his whole life in solitude, thinking about Alice day and night. She also missed him very much, even though she grew up and married another man, but she had no real feelings for her husband. One day Carroll received an invitation to attend a Christmas party from Alice. He was very happy but was soon disappointed, because Alice was no longer the little girl of the past but was now a married woman with children (her child was about 20 years old). Carroll left the party, ran in the rain, and prayed to any god to bring back the Alice of the past to him. And Outer God Mary Sue answered. She destroys Carroll's world, combining Carroll's soul with the souls of 7 other great writers to create the most twisted and cruel fairy tales for Mary Sue to enjoy. But Nyarlathotep stoled Grimm from Mary Sue. Nyarlathotep created a clone of himself in the form of Alice to enjoy an endless tea party with Grimm and the black rabbit Prayer Master. Gods have no feelings but this clone of Alice gradually developed feelings for Grimm and he also developed feelings for her. Prayer Master felt betrayed and jealous of Grimm, Prayer Master prayed for the endless tea party to end, so that the friendship between the three could remain the same. Mary Sue's power is to grant wishes, she entered Wonderland and killed Alice, ending the tea party, creating The Lost Empire, forcing Prayer Master to become the guardian of the Sacred Forest and erasing Grimm's memories. Combining twisted fairy tales for Grimm to explore. This is what happened before the events of Black Souls I and Black Souls 2 DLC 3. The game is way more depressing and tragic.
My friend told me this, but i don't know much about Pmoon's lore, so Roland or fixers that wears suits aren't the normal suit, they're served as a armor and protection, like a bullet proof suit.
Like a power armor
You are literally the only person who makes detailed power scaling videos about project Moon. The only other one I know about does really basic power scaling shorts were they just list the character of stats and says what character has better stats without explaining anything about either I'm actually kind of surprised there are more project moon power scalars given how much combat happens in these stories. Any wake up the good work hope inspire more people to do this.
I don't even care about the powerscaling this is just a fire matchup
The wifeless of today vs The wifeless of history.
Roland was called the Black Silence because that was the name people gave him and gave himself due to the death of his wife and his rampage across the city (Musicians of Bremen call him the Black Silence but its more safe to assume that Roland just became and surpassed Angelica)
Philip gave the Unstable page of The Crying Children during his first distortion fight despite not really being named probably either because that’s what Philip called himself or The Light has future seeing powers
As well as Kali who gave the page of The Red Mist its only her title but that’s what she was called by most people
I'm surprised there many project moon power scalers given how relatively popular it is keep up the good work.
Wait, hasnt w corp replicated the effects of the berserker armor into their weapons?
Guts when he has to fight a few W-Corp Clean-up Agents and tank at least two uses of Rip Space
@@shrimpman.he dead fr
The Music When He was Talking about Roland at 4:35 is Yesod Battle
stop putting colours against these people this is so unfair 😭Do like Naoki vs Prime Mike Tyson or something
Roland versus Sportacus
@@judehanma tf 😭😭😭 not Sportacus the guy who lifted an entire pyramid for excercises and even golfed a ball to the moon at an insane speed with controlled force😭
Boss baby VS Krillin would be interesting
guts when roland simply rolls higher:
do Wild Hunt Heathcliff vs Griffith next.
Something that you forgot -- By the epilogue of Ruina, Roland had been fighting against other Grade 1/Color Fixer level beings for over a week, AFTER his suppression. Which means that after plowing through every floor of the library, finally taking a knee and giving up, Roland still had the strength to stand back up and fight against the entire Reverberation ensemble, and THEN a distorted Argalia for an entire week straight, and still won. And Kali is still stronger than Roland lol
Would like to correct a small thing on Rolands side. He is not unarmored. During one Mission in the game it is explained that people are woven into Fibers by certain beings, whereby stronger people translate to tougher fibers. His Suit is made up of some of the most impressive fibers you can get on the market given he has many priceless weapons in his possession. The Suit keeps him from suffering otherwise mortal wounds should he be hit by attacks from almost anything.
Hydrogen bomb : roland vs coughing baby : guts ... what the fuck is this battle dawg 😭
Guts is NOT a coughing baby.
Imo Roland barely edges a win, but Guts is not a coughing baby at all.
Hydrogen Roland vs Coughing Guts
roland is not a hydrogen bomb 😭😭
hydrogen bomb vs hydrogen bomb (barely weaker)
@@Simpo-iu6gx the people of the city have augmentations for reference to how good those are a rank 8 fixer who is literal cannon fodder with a strength augmentation could left 1giant chainsaw great sword likely weighing half a ton with only 1 hand casually too
Roland's fighting style is inspired by how the characters in dmc fight
Judgement!
Roland didn't actually earn the title of black silence, that was actually Angelica and when she died he unofficially took on that mantle
There seems to be a lot of conflicting information in the video, comments, other comments that correct those comments, and even more comments that correct those comments as well 😂
Roland isn’t the black silence, Angelica was the colored fixer.
Roland is the one who took up her title after her death
Vergilious vs vergil? Dante vs dante?
Actually I'm interested in those fights for some reason.
dante about to get bodied
Those fights are not even fair it's one-sided asf.
@@imdedlnside i know idc
Pizza guy dante beats clockface dante ez
"boohoo my wife is gone" The Orchestra.
do Ulquiorra vs Red Mist please
One minor nitpick part that isn’t that major but still makes roland even more impressive in my eyes. He wasn’t the original Black Silence. That was his wife’s title with his only weapon prior to her death being Durandal. The main reason why I found this so cool is it means that he mastered the gloves and turned the fighting style into his own in the middle of his rampage across the city. Just it communicates how adaptable and talented is by learning essentially on the fly how to fight at a level where everyone just assumed he was the black silence.
Again its not a massive issue or anything just wanted an excuse to gush about Roland ^^
@@tapseymoth803 He's used the gloves several times before his rampage actually. We know this because he's tested out Angelica's other weapons on missions quite a bit, having to apologise to her for accidentally breaking the Mook workshop weapon. He also had the gloves with him when The Pianist appeared, had he not taken the gloves with him on the mission to help Olivier Angelica would've still been alive since she'd have been able to defend herself.
*Loud CLANG* vs. *Fingers snapping.*
I have to ask this but did you even play Ruina? Also is this Library Roland or pre Library Roland? Both fold Guts either way but in Library Rolands case he folds pretty much everything because The Library hard carries him.
Pre library Roland. Library literally makes him omnipotent
guts is really awesome and in the PM setting would 100% be color material, but my man is working with 13th century equipment(If say gut were transported to the PM setting the dragon slayer and berserker armor would likely scale in a way similar to EGO equipment due to their emotional/platonic weight(they would effectively being psuedo ego equipment/tool abnos do to existing inbetween the sea of human conciousness and reality due to all the apostles/ghosts/ect. it's murdered. also guts would 100% instantly gain a very unstable EGO that would likely combo very well wiht his current equipment similar to Gebura and the EGO equipment she used, everything else like the cannon arm, knives, crossbow, ect. would be effectively useless in comparison but he could easily scrape up replacements in the city)
but by what he does within berserk his altho magical 13th century equipment and just about super human capabilities isn't going to be enough to deal with a guy that has multiple crazy future guns that make modern firearms let alone a 13th century minicannon look anemic in comparison.
however as stated if you say move guts into the PM setting and have it's rules applied to him, he's probably going to be on par with prime time lobcorp Gebura.
so uhhhhhh guts in PM universe=guts has like a 90% chance to win
Roland in Berserk universe/if each person's universe's rules only applied to themselves=Roland has a 99% chance to win
really wacky shit when the setting itself can decide a victor, also Berserk would be a really short Manga if EGO was a thing
Idk about that, if ego was a thing then people have greater chance to fend for themselves against the crushing power of the apostles and other monsters, but then again it's not like obtaining ego is ever easy if your will is weak so perhaps it might end up being more detrimental to people than it is usefull on a general basis.
@@larrytherustyboii7442 as you said at the end, most people need a VERY strong will to manifest EGO, and I dont see why Guts of all people wouldn't apply to that tbh.
Its actually a fun idea thinking of guts with EGO.
@@Simpo-iu6gx We dont know all the required conditions to obtaining ego or distorting. A strong will is not enough to give someone ego on its own.
If roland and guts met i feel like the two might have a chance to be friends, both lost many… both are in a dark place… both may be friends.
Kali The Red Mist vs the Arbiter from halo
Overkill
@EricTruman-q5i but hey at least it's a reference
I wanna see you discuss about, how well/far can the Ghost Rider do on The City.
(Which variant of its, well ur choice.)
Librarians vs Godhand next.
Binah/Garion versus Broly would be hilarious to watch
Binah versus Baby Broly or Binah versus Kid Goku would be fun.
@@judehanma why the baby version of Broly??? Binah could beat adult broly. Not adult goku though. Binah, as an arbiter and a claw is a reality bender and one of the strongest people in the city. Broly is a meathead powerhouse with no strategy, which is the reason he got beat by goku and vegeta. Binah would outplay him again and again, chipping him down.
@@Eternal_SolsticeI think Binah can solo the entire verse atp.
She may beat zeno.
i don't see the difference, it's still wifeless vs wifeless
Pianist vs Wife next
Roland never earned the title of The Black Silence he acted as Angela who WAS the actual Black Silence
„Peak of Human Physiology“ every Fixxer having some kind of physical enhancements, especially Fixxers of Charle‘s Office (now Hana Association)
this is definitely a mismatch, I can't see Guts even tagging Roland.
Roland while not a Colour but a Grade 1 that sure as hell comparable to a Colour is terrifying
His wife Angelica is the actual Black Silence colour Fixer but people mixed them up for 2 reasons
1. Roland's Mask make it hard to remember or even see him
2. The Gloves which Angelica use are the Sound Silencing glove hence the title, which combine with the 1st reason actually make Roland the equivalent of M1 Abrams that somehow has hi tech Stealth camo that also silenced their movement while moving really fast and destroying everything
Funny that there is actually some Grade One that ACTUALLY as strong or stronger than Color Fixer
@@TheMentallyTired Hana graduation system is crazy 🙏
@@wackymulter As far as i understand it, there can only be one colour fixer alive or in action. If there is already an existing colour fixer then there can't be another with the same colour unless that colour fixer is death or gone missing long enough to considered dead. This lead to some Grade 1 fixer having the strength of a colour fixer yet unable to become one.
@@charadreamer6704 for cases like that they're doing colors like Indigo and Vermilion
Thought this was Roland from Dark Tower. Much more fitting match up.
Roland isn't necessarily that fast. I’d say Vergillius is faster than Roland. He is incredibly fast, but he is represented more by his stamina and endurance than anything else. He fought for 2 weeks straight against the Reverberation Ensemble. Fought and killed Distorted Argalia, pulled Angela out of the light, and then fought an Arbiter and an Claw.
correction: Verg isnt faster or even any better than roland, dude got drawed by 60 y.o Iori while roland canonically won her while she was 50 in the library 💀
correction 2: he fought for a week straight, not 2
correction 3: it wasnt just a claw, it was the claw's leader, thus beril is noticeably stronger than a regular claw agent
@@uznik399 I see a fault in the logic here... If Iori got turned into a book at the library at the age of 50, how did she manage to beat Vergillius at 60? Also, I don't remember it stating anywhere that Baral was a Claw Leader...
@@uznik399 Correction: Roland fought her in the library, this means he wins by default because the library hard carried him, feats in the library can't be counted because he's giga buffed by it and also the library cannot lose after an invitation is signed. Only uninvited guests have the slightest chance of winning.
Correction 2: True, although it should be noted that he was right next to the pillar of light so even if he did fight for 1 week straight it's not due to his own stamina this was possible but due to being light infused (this is true for Argalia and the ensemble as well)
Correction 3: There's nothing to indicate Baral was an especially strong Claw, as we have never fought any Claws before (no, the lob corp ones aren't real Claws, they're manifestations of Ayins trauma just like the other ordeals) so for all we know their title is always Executioner of the Claw. It's like how Zena is introduced as an Arbiter of the Head.
@@uznik399You are illiterate
So can you do yukari yakumo vs purple tear?
Its so one-sided as well.
Wait who would win
@@The_Catalyst573 the one that wears a purple dress, and can create gaps in space and time.
@@Mr.Voiddweller have you any idea how little that narrows it down
@@The_Catalyst573 it's less funny to just say yukari wins.
The Arbiter Binah vs a version of Broly?
Binah can CASUALLY DESTROY A WING!
I think I have another good matchup for Roland. How about Roland versus Batman. Specifically whichever version of the Batman is most similar to Roland in terms of stats so the fight would be interesting.
i thought of batman2099 or batman beyond tbh
Subbed.
do klein moretti from lotm vs Roland
wild of you to compare literal Eldritch God vs a human.
you can get lor to universal with i think yesods statement about the library being a universe/size of a universe
daily reminder that roland is NOT the black silence
his wife - angelica was
Reception of the Black Silence
@ that is just him inheriting his wife title
It's more the both of them was the black silence they work as a duo
roland arent a black silence. it was his wife who helds that title. he only used her equipment
But he later got the title... even the ingame reception calls it black silence.
His wife is the black silence yes, but she died.
@@WannaPlay. he just inherited that title from angelica. they are worked as duo and also works primarily as assassins, so not very much people knows their identity beside hana organisation
@@MrEFIRion it still works,
@@WannaPlay. all i wanted to say, hana organisation never recognized his might so much to give him a color title. the only reason why he was called a black silence was a misunderstanding. i wonder, will that fact change author of this video opinion about who will win
How caught up are you to the Berserk Manga
0:44 just another Saturday in Korea
This Fight is like putting an coughing baby vs an hydrogen bomb 😭 my poor guy guts Already suffered enought for you to put him againts this guy
Kali vs Raiden Shogun when?
Which raiden?
if its the genshin raiden, the only thing left after the fight is gonna be red mist
@Menthe123 The one from Genshin apparently
@@misterzonkier5524 if it is genshin Raiden, then I'm sorry to say but Kali is going to get cooked
A way i've told people what Roland can do is... Imagine Raiden from Metal Gear Revengence, but hes completely silent, has multiple weapons that can cut through steel like butter, and is faster and has more stamina/can take hits better.
kali vs toji seens a goood fight? (nvm toji would get smashed)
theres only a few people in jjk verse who wouldnt get no diffed by kali and that just comes from their overpowered abilities to prevent any damage at all unless its a verse-specific case (and dont forget binah wields a literal butter knife in quality, as its said to be just a prototype of ego weapons and is much weaker than later prototypes)
@@uznik399 btw kali does a bunch more of less dmg and dont get the life steal of mimicry cuz is a prototype also we must remember how we get smashed for a copy of her that dont even wield like 50% of her power
Roland vs Anton from Antonblast when.
Vantablack Ayin(project moon)
Dodging bullets, even from close distance isn't massive hypersonic feat at all. You can do it with trans-sonic speed. Also not all bullets even have speed more than the speed of sound. And, because it's not a real world, it has different technologies and the speed wasnt stated anywhere, you cant state they have sonic+ speed.
So this feat giving him such speed is just you fantasies.
I think the bullets the city is using travel faster than conventional ones, else people would just dodge em at the speeds people go in this series.
Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb 💀
Unless he becames apostle?
well this was underwhelming, still glad my goat won tho
Nuts has Batgos armour, therefore he scales to NoLimitsman. Nuts no diffs Popcorn machine 🤑🤑🤑
6:58 lol
TCR gut would no dif him after he got buff by carmen,nyar and the king in yellow
I CAST GUN PREPARE TO MEET GOD
Chuckles the Clown
nah they would become friends
Bro what is this matchup lol
Vs battles try to be accurate challenge
imagine roland got an E.G.O
It’s peam 😭
Kali X Roland.
kali claims this as she is literally the strongest person in the city
At least she was@@uznik399
GOATT
but we all know that Kirito, the REAL black swordsman, would beat the both
idc about power scaling guts is the definitive black swordsman (or afro samurai but he a diff kind of black)
Me when someone tries to powerscale PM (I feel my sins crawling on my back):
P.S.: What I mean is... "Color Fixers are City Level" was originally my scaling take that I was proving. Later I realized that it was incorrect and heavily wanked. I used really awful relative scaling without any feats. Currently that my video (as well as most my PM powerscaling videos) is unlisted.
P.P.S.: Mind, I do not say Guts win here. Roland 100% wins, but he is NOT City level. Nowhere near.
Roland's achievements tend to be because he has extraordinary endurance and stamina, and in other words he is a tank that fights infantry, of course he will not be able to destroy the city but has the stamina to finish off all the inhabitants inside.
@EricTruman-q5i yeah but "Attack Potency" means being able to deal damage with enough energy (as in physical energy) to destroy an object stated in AP (Attack Potency). Hence, AP of a City means being able to destroy a city or beat durability that can withstand damage that can destroy a full city.
I mean, they aren't city level in a traditional sense as they can't blow one to smithereens in a single attack. But I can see some backing that they could wipe out a real world city. The City in universe hosts 7 billion people across 26 districts, if you spread somehow the population in each district maybe each could hold the population of countries, or huge cities in a lowball. The Pianist wiped 80% of his district in minutes before being obliterated by Roland, that not to mention Roland afterwards rampage had it share of lasting effects in the City (look at the middle). I don't know, I feel like there something to say that WAWs and Colors are city levels.
@romanortiz1744 ...that is still not what Attack Potency means.
What is the scaling then…?
So who won i don't want to watch the rest
Roland won
Ez win
i feel so sigma
@@RolandGamin Yeah, good one, continue.
I'm taking the wheel this time (distort yourself NOW)
Lolland, dear.
What did I say about forcing people to distort~?
@@tales6237 Err...Sorry Miss Binah I heard the voice in my head again....
Roland wishes he was city level lol
Roland myongest when??!??!?!!
CATHY!
Roland would win in my opinion and my scaling
Roland is a fraud
His wife was the black silence not him bro just took her name.
Don’t mess with us project moon fans we don’t play our games.