Thanks. I'd never seen the actual buildup to Alicia's death. It's very tough to watch, especially since Gabrielle keeps trying to stop the car and Alicia won't let her. Gabrielle had obviously become fond of her...it's too bad this had to end so horribly. A woman dying and then her baby dying is so heavy, even for a soap.
Thank you VICK for all this! Such a good build up! "Cult of Personality" AND another Cord fight! His fights were hilarious because he ALWAYS is the instigator of them! Lol! He always speaks first and throws the first punch! haha DON'T get mouthy with Cord. "No, I got PUNK trouble!"
@shrinefilms1 That's true. This story does seem to cast a pall, and goes on for quite a while. The pacing is better than I expected, as we see the layers unfolding of the dangerous car, Gabrielle wanting to stop, Alicia saying no, etc. The pacing with the repulsive Austin is also better than I thought, as it's quite obvious from early on what he wants to do and how scared Sarah is of him.
@CarlD2 You make a good point Carl. Whenever Paul Ruasch went really deep with the story he could put a mood over the show. I remember Jessica's kidnapping it seemed like there was a somber mood over EVERY scene. Even ones that didn't directly relate.
@shrinefilms1 It seemed like they struggled on what to do with Mari Lynn. Tom was long gone by this time, no interaction with her family, Lee dead, so she just hung out with her soap co-stars? I guess Wade was still around too. I wish they'd figured out what to do with her. I also wish they'd kept Audrey around. She was interviewed in SOD about her interracial relationship with Giancarlo Esposito. At the end of the interview they added that she'd been fired. I wonder if ABC got scared.
Wow so many of these characters were gone by the end of 89 or were never on. Marilyn , audrey , austin, blade , that blonde guy , delilah. Also brenda & steven jr were just gone one day without explanation. I think it was christmas of 90 or 91 she was at some christmas party with steven who by then was s toddler & a full head of blonde hair. Dont know what happened to rob corronal also. Fraternity row after max left I dont recall anything about it again til the last season of oltl. Was audrey like a poor mans Marty who stripped off the top & got drunk & danced bc she is all upset.
@CarlD2 Yeah, Austen was really one of the top villians of all time. Especially after seeing these scenes with he and Sarah. He's pretending to go blind, she pretty much doesn't believe him but doesn't WANT to think he would make it up. He's trying to convince her Bo's a killer and she's like "uh, yeah". He's CONVINCED she's falling right into his plan when she's CLEARLY NOT... Seriously chilling!
Wow, the first 15 seconds of this are STILL a nightmare for me. I'm okay, though. I remember the pain and confusion... thinking why is yesterdays episode suddenly a deeply blue ABC standard background? Is the world really a better place NOT seeing Tina and Michael Grande get into a car accident? No, I don't think so.
@CarlD2 I TOTALLY remember that Carl! i always wondered if they fired her BECAUSE of the interview. I always thought it was weird that she just started the show & even GOT in SOD, then showed the relationship... then fired. Mari Lynn had a lot of story to me. I thought of her as the STUNT character because PR liked stunts and she was ALWAYS in peril... She shot her mother, got in car accidents, jumped off a bridge.
@CarlD2 I remember all these characters. I forgot the guy Blade was a bad guy... then dropped. I felt THESE were the last cohesive characters then they really started hitting the windshield. I thought Cord and Audrey had chemistry. Mari Lynn was basically the "Jessica" of the show which makes it really wired the writers didn't seem to realize her blood relation to Kev/Joey. This was about the 3rd year for PR so i assume there was MUCH network interference with his outlines/ex. 1st 15 secs!
Meanwhile, that dance is like the room of dropped stories. I never knew Cord had any interaction with Audrey. And I didn't know Ron Eldard as involved with her - I just remember him being interested in Mari Lyn. Did he replace James Wleck's character in the story ,when Wleck quickly left? Meanwhile, there are those small scraps of story for Rafe and Delilah, before Shelley Burch left for good. Was that Daniel Markel as the egotistical actor?
How did alicia and gabrielle become so close ? She was Michael's mistress and I scene I saw earlier alicia and michael wanted gabrielle out of their lives. Gabrielle seems very close to alicia I guess I can see why she switched the babies gabrielle loved michael and alicia , alicia doed and Michael told gabby if his son died told he would kill himself I never got the feeling during the trial she did the switch to get closer to Michael and his money it seemed she did it bc she was scared a man she had lov err for would end his life. Not saying it's ok poor brenda lost Steve than thought little Steven was dead.
Thanks. I'd never seen the actual buildup to Alicia's death. It's very tough to watch, especially since Gabrielle keeps trying to stop the car and Alicia won't let her. Gabrielle had obviously become fond of her...it's too bad this had to end so horribly. A woman dying and then her baby dying is so heavy, even for a soap.
Thank you VICK for all this! Such a good build up! "Cult of Personality" AND another Cord fight! His fights were hilarious because he ALWAYS is the instigator of them! Lol! He always speaks first and throws the first punch! haha DON'T get mouthy with Cord.
"No, I got PUNK trouble!"
@shrinefilms1 That's true. This story does seem to cast a pall, and goes on for quite a while. The pacing is better than I expected, as we see the layers unfolding of the dangerous car, Gabrielle wanting to stop, Alicia saying no, etc. The pacing with the repulsive Austin is also better than I thought, as it's quite obvious from early on what he wants to do and how scared Sarah is of him.
@CarlD2 You make a good point Carl. Whenever Paul Ruasch went really deep with the story he could put a mood over the show. I remember Jessica's kidnapping it seemed like there was a somber mood over EVERY scene. Even ones that didn't directly relate.
Do you have the Alicia&Gabrielle scenes before this?
I must say Delilah had great taste when it came to music lol
@shrinefilms1 It seemed like they struggled on what to do with Mari Lynn. Tom was long gone by this time, no interaction with her family, Lee dead, so she just hung out with her soap co-stars? I guess Wade was still around too. I wish they'd figured out what to do with her.
I also wish they'd kept Audrey around. She was interviewed in SOD about her interracial relationship with Giancarlo Esposito. At the end of the interview they added that she'd been fired. I wonder if ABC got scared.
Wow so many of these characters were gone by the end of 89 or were never on. Marilyn , audrey , austin, blade , that blonde guy , delilah. Also brenda & steven jr were just gone one day without explanation. I think it was christmas of 90 or 91 she was at some christmas party with steven who by then was s toddler & a full head of blonde hair. Dont know what happened to rob corronal also. Fraternity row after max left I dont recall anything about it again til the last season of oltl. Was audrey like a poor mans Marty who stripped off the top & got drunk & danced bc she is all upset.
@CarlD2 Yeah, Austen was really one of the top villians of all time. Especially after seeing these scenes with he and Sarah. He's pretending to go blind, she pretty much doesn't believe him but doesn't WANT to think he would make it up. He's trying to convince her Bo's a killer and she's like "uh, yeah". He's CONVINCED she's falling right into his plan when she's CLEARLY NOT... Seriously chilling!
i hope this is part one of 2. Please let it be Vick!
Wow, the first 15 seconds of this are STILL a nightmare for me. I'm okay, though. I remember the pain and confusion... thinking why is yesterdays episode suddenly a deeply blue ABC standard background? Is the world really a better place NOT seeing Tina and Michael Grande get into a car accident? No, I don't think so.
@CarlD2 I TOTALLY remember that Carl! i always wondered if they fired her BECAUSE of the interview. I always thought it was weird that she just started the show & even GOT in SOD, then showed the relationship... then fired. Mari Lynn had a lot of story to me. I thought of her as the STUNT character because PR liked stunts and she was ALWAYS in peril... She shot her mother, got in car accidents, jumped off a bridge.
@CarlD2 I remember all these characters. I forgot the guy Blade was a bad guy... then dropped. I felt THESE were the last cohesive characters then they really started hitting the windshield. I thought Cord and Audrey had chemistry. Mari Lynn was basically the "Jessica" of the show which makes it really wired the writers didn't seem to realize her blood relation to Kev/Joey.
This was about the 3rd year for PR so i assume there was MUCH network interference with his outlines/ex. 1st 15 secs!
Meanwhile, that dance is like the room of dropped stories. I never knew Cord had any interaction with Audrey. And I didn't know Ron Eldard as involved with her - I just remember him being interested in Mari Lyn. Did he replace James Wleck's character in the story ,when Wleck quickly left? Meanwhile, there are those small scraps of story for Rafe and Delilah, before Shelley Burch left for good.
Was that Daniel Markel as the egotistical actor?
How did alicia and gabrielle become so close ? She was Michael's mistress and I scene I saw earlier alicia and michael wanted gabrielle out of their lives. Gabrielle seems very close to alicia I guess I can see why she switched the babies gabrielle loved michael and alicia , alicia doed and Michael told gabby if his son died told he would kill himself I never got the feeling during the trial she did the switch to get closer to Michael and his money it seemed she did it bc she was scared a man she had lov err for would end his life. Not saying it's ok poor brenda lost Steve than thought little Steven was dead.