I wanted a couple of non-DI units so I picked up a BRN-180 in a carbine and one shorty Boi in a couple of popular flavors. The BRN180 is sold as a stand-alone upper to allow pinning to a milspec AR lower. It can also be used on Brownell's own BRN180 lowers - the retro version and the 'M' or modern version. Both have integrated picatinny attachment points for stocks or braces. They also have slightly different approaches to detent pin assemblies and roll-pin usage... but are relatively easy to build up compared to traditional AR lowers. The Jakl wasn't available yet when I acquired my BRN180'S. The two main complaints I've heard about those are weight and spec-related issues on the top Pic rail. Good video. Interesting format.
@@redactedllc I follow their pages, apparently something last minute, even Baron/Caleb(?) is unsure, and he films the videos. But, the various clips show a 5* position gas block. A down turned left sided, flapped, non reciprocating charging handle, on the receiver, like a scar/acr. The rail looks even more refined. And the spring system has a retainer latch, finally. They claimed it would work with 102 mags, and that they would do an x39 that works with ak mags (Grendel anyone?)
As a BRN180 side note, Midwest Industries makes a robust rear pic-rail mounted folding stock - the M4 Beam that's essentially a milspec folding carbine type buffer tube substitute that you can mount a traditional stock on. It makes for more 'shoulder-able' usage and is better suited for a carbine or SBR.
Great video im trying to figure out which platform to go with for each situation one for truck gun(5.56 11") and one for home defense (300blk 8-9") like others have stated i also wonder how the next gen brn-180 stacks now. I dont have preference on whether i have to build or not.
In it's current state (BRN gen 2 vs JAKL 1.0) the BRN wins in the truck gun department, even if that trend is fading. Both are viable for a bring with you firearm. And, both the BRN-180 gen 3 and JAKL 2.0 are bringing new features to the table for their respective platforms.
Solid review. Respectful tech critique; lighting. Dark rifle, dark background, side light isn't working. Early garand thumb was super bright against super absorbent dark so the gun popped. Anyway, a lil effort toward lighting brings you from b to a product. Again, mad respect,. The Unfamous Chef, Johnny R DC
I have a 13.9 brn. It's light and slim. Sure it gets hot but thats just the way it is. Nothing a glove cant fix. It suppresses great (idk if its true but it somehow sounds quieter than my DI rifle) and the folding jmac stock that i have looks awesome on it. My buddy had a jakl. He didn't love it
Excellent video. I'm on the fence with the Jakl, BRN, of CMMG Dissent. Or just go all in with a Robinson XCR. However, I spammed by contrast button and my laptop is now short a key...
I want one first. Initial impression: The departure from retro-futuristic AR-180 moc to instead throw their hat in the massive pile of gas piston driven rifles diminishes its distinction from others, which might be made up in performance, but we will see.
Of what I saw of the BRN-180 gen 3, the external features look pretty slick, striking a sleep alternative to the MCX, but what will make or break it, is whether or not it has remedied the issues with the Gen 2.
The JAKL is the better option for the moment. I say that simply because of what PSA is capable of doing when they need to update a product line. However, the BRN180 has a Gen3 version on the way, and soon. I actually have the suspicion that the new version of the BRN will be an incredible product. And i will be finding out firsthand.
Nice to read your post. I've been sitting on a lower waiting for the new gen3 versions of the BRN-180 to come out. Have you heard anything about it, such as a 8" version or nonreciprocating charging handle?
I seriously doubt Brownells will release an integrated non-reciprocating charging handle, as the BRN-180 is a direct homage to the AR-180, in style and function, both of which had their "charging handles" directly integrating into the Bolt Carrier.
@@redactedllc well the 308 jakl was just teased by psa so as soon as it drops I will be getting one and doing a comparison to the scar and or the spear so stay tuned to my channel for that but I will most def be tuning in for sure to see that
Now, I don't have any experience with the POF 415 Edge, but I've seen them in the wild a few times. On the one hand, a rather distinct difference being the POF 415 Edge follows the cues from the AR-15 much more closely. So, ergos with the charging handle etc. Further, the height of the POF still stands out. It's kinda a 3-way at this time. While each shares the aspects of the lower, they differ vastly in the upper. It looks like the 415 weighs less than the JAKL, and more than the BRN-180. Beyond that, I'd need time.
I think the BRN-180 is a great way to go. Though I think the jackyl has great potential but it’s the very first version with future iterations improving on the previous.
I hear the next version of the BRN-180 has some upgrades. that being said, the JAKL continues to perform in its current state. Even if there's a better version around the corner.
The one weak point of the BRN-180 is that stupid rubber buffer (that the stock folds into). The screw that holds it in can't be properly tightened and it holds the steel bolt guide rail witch is a critical component. You can accidentally overtighten the screw and damage the bolt carrier or the screw can break rendering the gun unusable(Happened to me during a shooting competition) OT Defence offers a replacement part that fixes the problem i don't understand why brownells doesn't include it or makes their own part to fix that problem.
Talked with Brownells today. They were very clear in the improvements in that department. The new version feels a bit more robust without being chonky.
I’ve had my 10.5 Jakl with the F5 Acr style stock and running a polonium k, and Holosun aems on it and it’s a lot of fun. I know there’s been some drama with it recently with a certain UA-camr but mine has been great so far. Btw I just came across your channel earlier and love the gun locker set up just curious if you bought it that way or you kinda built it out yourself I’d like to do something similar.
There's always gotta be drama! Thank you for the compliments on the room. We built in this summer, and it's finally coming together. A little paint, a little lighting, and some conveniently placed sound proofing have gone a long way.
You just earned a new subscriber. Really enjoyable podcast. Have you had any problems with the Jackl? I’ve seen a few other videos where creators have had issues
The only real "issues" I've had thus far with the JAKL are mostly user-generated. Making sure I'm on the right gas setting is one. The other is with reassembly after cleaning. The way the bolt carrier drops into the upper isn't as straight forward as other similar firearms, and requires a little finessing. As far as reliability, pretty even keel.
Just picked up a jakl 8.5 in an man was it the gun I’ve been looking for ideal for backpack carrry an transport good suppressor host looks so good in all black and folded when stowed, have a Midwest industries folding buffer tube with an sba5 brace literally rock solid on my shoulder
When you say "more often" are you saying in more platforms or by more professional positions? Your modus ponens is my modus tollens when it comes to platform. There just may not be as many DI "platforms" outside of the AR because the AR does it so well. And, DI is still the king when it comes to professional use, with very noteable exceptions. There has been an attempt to replace military DI M4's with some from of piston for a long time.
It is used often. It is the standard when it comes to rifles in America / other countries outside of the AK world. Yes, there are more piston platforms now, but the average rifle is a DI AR15. In fact, the UK just switched over to a KAC DI rifle just this year, from their previous piston guns. We are still yet to see whether the Sig Spear does in fact get widespread adoption, or go the route of the SCAR.
@@ghijkljust bought the mk116 pro that was on sale and discontinue, shoots better than my aero precision but not as good as my adams arms w/adjustable gas block
I have the fm-9 forward charge and I love it. The upper And lower fits together nicely. I run the hell out of it when I do get it out and it has yet to let me down.
I know people who have PWS guns and they are very happy with what they got. So my experience is only second hand. With that, they look very good on paper, and there's plenty of user experiences to follow up with. Some day.
Brownells is missing out on the 308 game. If they were to make a 308 Brn180, they would be very successful. There’s a huge niche for affordable piston modern battle-rifles. We can see how successful PSA has been with Jakl-10. Someone needs to tell Brownells that 350legend was a wrong 180 caliber, we need 308.
One thing I've learned is that going from a 5.56 version to a 308 version isn't as simple as sizing up, but if the BRN-180 release goes well, I wouldn't be surprised if they start looking into it. Since PWS makes/made the uppers, I'm suspecting much of the know-how is already there.
@ oh I totally agree, it’s not just size up. But, if PSA made Jakl into 308, I don’t see how you can’t make 308version of 180. Look, even IWI Ace galil made a 308. All of these are at or sub 2000$. A grand cheaper than scar heavy.
I've owned both the brn was designed and built my pws far superior to anything coming out of palmetto. Jakl is super heavy also that being said has no buffer option not that 556 is a recoil heavy round but it is considerably more uncomfortable to operate. I currently primarily run a pws mk116 and mk111 mod2 long stroke set up with lpvo in combination with a pistol red dot adjustable flat trigger h3 buffer heavy spring and generally run it with my rex can. The total weight of my 16" build with can lights etc is less than 10.5lbs the mk111 is 9.5lb with 1x microprism and light. I never weighed my jakl but if I had to guess outfitted weight was probably 15lbs or so
PWS has a perfect grasp on making lightweight piston (long) systems. MK111 Mod 2 and MK216 are among my favorite items due to that fact alone. I'm eagerly awaiting for PSA to address some of the very valid complaints with the Jakl, mainly weight. there's no reason that they couldn't have off at least 20oz from the 13.7/14/5 Jakl.
Who was your English teacher? I would like to have a word. My goodness. Are you allergic to punctuation? Do you have any idea of the amount of brain torture you inflict? Lol
Mr Redacted, pin and weld that bad boy with the nox keymo it will be 16.1” and you can use the great picstinny stocks from jmac, strike industries, sig, and all the other hundres, I really wanted to run the Zhukov or acr stock but they are plastic and really expensive.
I’m 1 minute in and I spent so much time researching these 2. I went with the Brn-180, it’s made my Primary weapon systems who are elite, it’s also much lighter than the jakyl, I think the value is much better when looking at quality of components and then what really sealed the deal was the long term test of the jakyl, after 1k there has been excessive wear and tear. The brn-180 is a modern ar180 which is the father if all good short stroke piston gun with an internal recoil system. I am a lefty so this gun is perfect. I’m running a 13.9” with a p&w nox keymo muzzle device, a strike industries dual folder (not sold on it), I always run a radian ambi safety and I always run both a guiselle maritime bolt catch so I can use my trigger finger and the POF single stage 3.5lb trigger (it is the absolute best single stage, not pretravel, not travel and no over travel, you just wiggle your finger back and forth and it’s runs. The gun bare is only 16.2lbs and I’ve got 1200 rounds with a ab a-10 can on it with the keymo hub adapter. It’s my main rifle and is now my got to gun.
Like all pistons it can get hot, but rail scales will really help, I don’t do mag dumps but tons and tons of bill drills, and 2,2,2’s. Zero gas blow back, as a lefty I’m super sensitive to it.
Being a lefty with the BRN-180 certainly gives you an advantage. I like the rail scales solution and the BRN-180 heat build up, might have to try that out.
Bwahaha I used one many years ago and they were silly front-heavy back in the day. Newer models of the LWRC seemed to fix that. It might be time to revisit.
My only main gripe about PSA is their QA/QC. There are still too many current examples of that for me to want to spend my money on or rely on the Jakl.
*generic media response: Inside sources say they're aware of this and have made aggressive changes to address this issue. *what I actually know: 15 years ago, the Colt M4 I was issued shot a 3 MOA group. Every PSA I've used in the last 2 years was, at max 2 MOA, and still costs half as much. They've had improvements both from in-house and industry wide improvements.
Of PSA would stop putting carbine profile barrels (thin from chamber to gas block and fat after), and go to something like the BRN and Spear LT (a Hanson profile, consistent taper form chamber to muzzle except for the gas block journal
I think they're intending to change them. But, it's also a weird gun. The barrel could be QD, but isn't, the BCG needs a weight cut, and the charging handle smacks the receiver, denting it..
Neither are better options than an AR. I can fine tune an AR. These both leave few options. The BRN has a huge gap where dirt can enter the bolt and trigger assembly. The JAKL is made by PSA, so I don't think it will hold up for the long term and the stocks are not rigid. Both are front heavy and awkward to hold up longer than 30 seconds. The AR has far more options. It's a no-brainer.
There's a reason I did't do a straight comparison to the AR. It can get as nuanced as DI vs gas piston. But that's it's own rabbit whole. Both serve their purpose. The JAKL will likely be around for a while. The BRN-180 isn't a 1 for 1 replacement, but has its own merits.
@@thecitywentaway First, if you can outlift me, I'll buy you a fine steak dinner. Second, I didn't complain about the weight. I complained about the balance. Too much weight upfront causes balance issues.
Internet and video game culture influenced some of gun culture to look for the best weapon? That's probably the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Humans have been looking for the best weapon since humans existed. I try to give new channels a fair shot, but that's about enough for me. Looks like you set up production nicely. You're good in front of the camera. Youre talking about relevant weapons. Cut out that silly shit you opened up with and you'll do great.
Thanks for the feedback. I should have clarified, the internet and video games have impacted how much of our generation thinks of the "best weapon" in terms of stats, instead of the right tool for the right job. Go back to 2010 and read the pages and pages of AK vs AR or 9mm vs 45. Or the top searches on google, for X vs Y. or "Best Home Defense X" etc. I could have provided better context.
@redactedllc Goddamit, sadly, you're right. If I hear one more person say "best gun" I'm gonna suck start my rifle. I took you to mean that games have influenced gun culture to look for the best tool for the job, and that struck me as ridiculous for the reasons I mentioned in my snide comment. As much as I hate to admit it, mentioning video games at the start of a gun video probably foes good for traffic. There's probably a wording out there that can pull off that effect without pissing off nitpicking pricks like myself. Figuring that wording would probably pay dividends.
The new BRN gen 3 looks good. They switched the charging handle to the left side and no longer reciprocating. Also they added some rubber coverings
I'm most interested in how the barrel and fore end attaches. That's was one of the weak points on the gen 3. So far it looks good, real good.
I wish they made Gen 3 in 308(7.62x51)
Rubber dust cover looks very bad. They need look at FN FNC spring dust cover
@@alexfiend7695 I also am not thrilled about the rubber
Gotta do an update to this video for JAKL 2.0 and BRN-180 Gen 3.
We're at SHOT trying to make that happen
Comment for the algorithm, agree 110% with your monologue at the end. This is the first video of yours I have seen and you earned my sub.
I wanted a couple of non-DI units so I picked up a BRN-180 in a carbine and one shorty Boi in a couple of popular flavors. The BRN180 is sold as a stand-alone upper to allow pinning to a milspec AR lower. It can also be used on Brownell's own BRN180 lowers - the retro version and the 'M' or modern version. Both have integrated picatinny attachment points for stocks or braces. They also have slightly different approaches to detent pin assemblies and roll-pin usage... but are relatively easy to build up compared to traditional AR lowers. The Jakl wasn't available yet when I acquired my BRN180'S. The two main complaints I've heard about those are weight and spec-related issues on the top Pic rail. Good video. Interesting format.
U should try a pws
JAKLs are pigs. But, they don't disembowel themselves with the BCG. That said, the Gen-3 brn will be the ACR we never got. My credit card is ready..
we wait with baited breath for the BRN-180 gne 3 with bated breath. Shot show is coming up.
@@redactedllc I follow their pages, apparently something last minute, even Baron/Caleb(?) is unsure, and he films the videos. But, the various clips show a 5* position gas block. A down turned left sided, flapped, non reciprocating charging handle, on the receiver, like a scar/acr. The rail looks even more refined. And the spring system has a retainer latch, finally. They claimed it would work with 102 mags, and that they would do an x39 that works with ak mags (Grendel anyone?)
@LoL-pw9ox The BRN180 is a PWS design. Love to try a PWS branded weapon, but I am afraid I'd have to buy one if I did...
As a BRN180 side note, Midwest Industries makes a robust rear pic-rail mounted folding stock - the M4 Beam that's essentially a milspec folding carbine type buffer tube substitute that you can mount a traditional stock on. It makes for more 'shoulder-able' usage and is better suited for a carbine or SBR.
A better stock or brace option goes a long way on this build.
I've not given up on it.
Yup we will need a redo video with the BRN gen 3
Agreed.
It has some pretty neat potential to challenge a few hegemonies.
Greta video. Can’t believe you only have 2k subscribers. You’ll blow up very soon
Thank you for the kind words.
They arrived at just the right time.
Great video im trying to figure out which platform to go with for each situation one for truck gun(5.56 11") and one for home defense (300blk 8-9") like others have stated i also wonder how the next gen brn-180 stacks now. I dont have preference on whether i have to build or not.
In it's current state (BRN gen 2 vs JAKL 1.0) the BRN wins in the truck gun department, even if that trend is fading. Both are viable for a bring with you firearm.
And, both the BRN-180 gen 3 and JAKL 2.0 are bringing new features to the table for their respective platforms.
Solid review. Respectful tech critique; lighting. Dark rifle, dark background, side light isn't working. Early garand thumb was super bright against super absorbent dark so the gun popped. Anyway, a lil effort toward lighting brings you from b to a product.
Again, mad respect,.
The Unfamous Chef, Johnny R
DC
Looks like I get to pack more lighting into that closet.
I'll give it a go with the next gear review/chat.
personally, I appreciate this lighting a lot, given the more conversative setting
That BRN has a cool paint job
Thanks, I did it myself.
@ tiger stripe? I really love it.
pretty easy to do, with a GWOT rattlecan method to boot.
@ beautiful
Great content. Subbed. Considering one or the other for my next pick up. This is great insight
I have a 13.9 brn. It's light and slim. Sure it gets hot but thats just the way it is. Nothing a glove cant fix. It suppresses great (idk if its true but it somehow sounds quieter than my DI rifle) and the folding jmac stock that i have looks awesome on it. My buddy had a jakl. He didn't love it
Excellent video. I'm on the fence with the Jakl, BRN, of CMMG Dissent. Or just go all in with a Robinson XCR. However, I spammed by contrast button and my laptop is now short a key...
If it means anything, I've been running on a crippled computer for 3 years.
Opinions on the gen 3 Brn-180? I know it just dropped but I’m curious what your first thoughts are on it.
I want one first.
Initial impression: The departure from retro-futuristic AR-180 moc to instead throw their hat in the massive pile of gas piston driven rifles diminishes its distinction from others, which might be made up in performance, but we will see.
Great review. Subscribed
Roger that, happy to have you.
Will you be getting the Jakl 308 ?
I certainly am interested.
@ would love to see a video about it and I’m curious to see what you turn it into maybe a dmr or battle rifle or maybe a spr 🤷🏽♂️
@ Ben-180 gen 3 looks like it might be a contender now
Of what I saw of the BRN-180 gen 3, the external features look pretty slick, striking a sleep alternative to the MCX, but what will make or break it, is whether or not it has remedied the issues with the Gen 2.
@ I know cuz in the industry once you get a bad rep for something it’s hard to come back from it
Good video. Loving the background, its an Easter egg hunt. Needs a splash of nerdiness however.
Why So Serious
(too soon?)
@@redactedllc Na, Bebop or Destiny stuff. Keep it classy.
Oh you know me so well.
Excellent commentary. Is there a transcript available?
Transcript? no. commentary, probably.
I've had a pws mk111 long stroke that's been real good for me.
I hear good things. And a number of acquaintances have been very happy with theirs.
The JAKL is the better option for the moment. I say that simply because of what PSA is capable of doing when they need to update a product line. However, the BRN180 has a Gen3 version on the way, and soon. I actually have the suspicion that the new version of the BRN will be an incredible product. And i will be finding out firsthand.
Nice to read your post. I've been sitting on a lower waiting for the new gen3 versions of the BRN-180 to come out. Have you heard anything about it, such as a 8" version or nonreciprocating charging handle?
I seriously doubt Brownells will release an integrated non-reciprocating charging handle, as the BRN-180 is a direct homage to the AR-180, in style and function, both of which had their "charging handles" directly integrating into the Bolt Carrier.
@@redactedllcvso gun channel just gave a little sneak peek to the gen 3 180 in his demo ranch video, check it out
nice!
gotta peek it.
It just released @@redactedllc
I have a 14.5 jakl and I love it! Ideal suppressor host
It shot like a charm suppressed. Albeit, lean toward a lighter can.
Nice vid vary detailed I like the ethos
Thanks! More to follow.
@@redactedllc I’ll stay tuned
Sweet vid I been looking forward to this one for sure
Glad you stuck around for it. We had to rebuild that room first.
@@redactedllc I like the new setup !!! And I would love to see the psa ussas vs 308 jakl when that drops that’s a future banger for sure
I would too, the side by side comparisons of 308's is inevitable. Just don't know when.
@@redactedllc well the 308 jakl was just teased by psa so as soon as it drops I will be getting one and doing a comparison to the scar and or the spear so stay tuned to my channel for that but I will most def be tuning in for sure to see that
Ooooh yay I have been waiting on this one!
cheers. More to follow.
Was it worth the wait?
so how would you say the POF 415 Edge compares to these rifles? i just picked one up and am new to piston guns. love your stuff!
Now, I don't have any experience with the POF 415 Edge, but I've seen them in the wild a few times.
On the one hand, a rather distinct difference being the POF 415 Edge follows the cues from the AR-15 much more closely. So, ergos with the charging handle etc. Further, the height of the POF still stands out.
It's kinda a 3-way at this time. While each shares the aspects of the lower, they differ vastly in the upper. It looks like the 415 weighs less than the JAKL, and more than the BRN-180.
Beyond that, I'd need time.
Also digging the redacted stamp on the side it’s 🔥
"art" only to be appreciated by those who recognize
I think the BRN-180 is a great way to go. Though I think the jackyl has great potential but it’s the very first version with future iterations improving on the previous.
I hear the next version of the BRN-180 has some upgrades.
that being said, the JAKL continues to perform in its current state. Even if there's a better version around the corner.
The one weak point of the BRN-180 is that stupid rubber buffer (that the stock folds into). The screw that holds it in can't be properly tightened and it holds the
steel bolt guide rail witch is a critical component. You can accidentally overtighten the screw and damage the bolt carrier or the screw can break rendering the gun unusable(Happened to me during a shooting competition) OT Defence offers a replacement part that fixes the problem i don't understand why brownells doesn't include it or makes their own part to fix that problem.
Talked with Brownells today. They were very clear in the improvements in that department. The new version feels a bit more robust without being chonky.
There is a non reciprocating adapter for the BRN but it’s not ambi, the brn is absolutely the perfect option for lefty’s.
The simplicity of the BRN-180 is both its strength and weakness.
Just curious PWS Long Stroke Piston Made in USA
yes?
I’ve had my 10.5 Jakl with the F5 Acr style stock and running a polonium k, and Holosun aems on it and it’s a lot of fun. I know there’s been some drama with it recently with a certain UA-camr but mine has been great so far. Btw I just came across your channel earlier and love the gun locker set up just curious if you bought it that way or you kinda built it out yourself I’d like to do something similar.
There's always gotta be drama!
Thank you for the compliments on the room. We built in this summer, and it's finally coming together. A little paint, a little lighting, and some conveniently placed sound proofing have gone a long way.
You just earned a new subscriber. Really enjoyable podcast. Have you had any problems with the Jackl? I’ve seen a few other videos where creators have had issues
The only real "issues" I've had thus far with the JAKL are mostly user-generated. Making sure I'm on the right gas setting is one. The other is with reassembly after cleaning. The way the bolt carrier drops into the upper isn't as straight forward as other similar firearms, and requires a little finessing.
As far as reliability, pretty even keel.
Just picked up a jakl 8.5 in an man was it the gun I’ve been looking for ideal for backpack carrry an transport good suppressor host looks so good in all black and folded when stowed, have a Midwest industries folding buffer tube with an sba5 brace literally rock solid on my shoulder
How does the 8.5 recoil suppressed? Does your configuration feel front heavy?
It sounds like a good time. A really good one at that.
I always thought that if D.I. was so good, why isn't it being used more often? Short-stroke pistons make up my favorite guns. BRN-180 and Vz.58
When you say "more often" are you saying in more platforms or by more professional positions?
Your modus ponens is my modus tollens when it comes to platform. There just may not be as many DI "platforms" outside of the AR because the AR does it so well.
And, DI is still the king when it comes to professional use, with very noteable exceptions. There has been an attempt to replace military DI M4's with some from of piston for a long time.
It is used often. It is the standard when it comes to rifles in America / other countries outside of the AK world. Yes, there are more piston platforms now, but the average rifle is a DI AR15.
In fact, the UK just switched over to a KAC DI rifle just this year, from their previous piston guns. We are still yet to see whether the Sig Spear does in fact get widespread adoption, or go the route of the SCAR.
DI is still king when it comes to general adoption.
Despite the trolls, how many have hope for the SPEAR LT ya think?
SOCOM is still DI. DEV switched back to DI. Only CAG are using pistons now.
I've have been stuck in between these two. I have seen mixed reviews of having either one as a main. I see foxtrot has one similar set up
ultimately neither are a main if you're going for middle of the road. but each has an advantage in a different direction.
Have you looked at the pws uppers? It requires the buffer tube but is a long stroke piston and they make the brn uppers for Brownell’s
@@ghijkljust bought the mk116 pro that was on sale and discontinue, shoots better than my aero precision but not as good as my adams arms w/adjustable gas block
I have the fm-9 forward charge and I love it. The upper And lower fits together nicely. I run the hell out of it when I do get it out and it has yet to let me down.
I know people who have PWS guns and they are very happy with what they got. So my experience is only second hand. With that, they look very good on paper, and there's plenty of user experiences to follow up with.
Some day.
Cool 😎
yup
Brownells just released the gen 3
I saw a snippet of it. Looks pretty neat
Brownells is missing out on the 308 game. If they were to make a 308 Brn180, they would be very successful. There’s a huge niche for affordable piston modern battle-rifles. We can see how successful PSA has been with Jakl-10. Someone needs to tell Brownells that 350legend was a wrong 180 caliber, we need 308.
One thing I've learned is that going from a 5.56 version to a 308 version isn't as simple as sizing up, but if the BRN-180 release goes well, I wouldn't be surprised if they start looking into it. Since PWS makes/made the uppers, I'm suspecting much of the know-how is already there.
@ oh I totally agree, it’s not just size up. But, if PSA made Jakl into 308, I don’t see how you can’t make 308version of 180. Look, even IWI Ace galil made a 308. All of these are at or sub 2000$. A grand cheaper than scar heavy.
I've owned both the brn was designed and built my pws far superior to anything coming out of palmetto. Jakl is super heavy also that being said has no buffer option not that 556 is a recoil heavy round but it is considerably more uncomfortable to operate. I currently primarily run a pws mk116 and mk111 mod2 long stroke set up with lpvo in combination with a pistol red dot adjustable flat trigger h3 buffer heavy spring and generally run it with my rex can. The total weight of my 16" build with can lights etc is less than 10.5lbs the mk111 is 9.5lb with 1x microprism and light. I never weighed my jakl but if I had to guess outfitted weight was probably 15lbs or so
The BRN180/PWS both seem way nicer than the JAKL. From what I understand PWS manufactures the operating mechanism for the BRN180.
PWS has a perfect grasp on making lightweight piston (long) systems. MK111 Mod 2 and MK216 are among my favorite items due to that fact alone. I'm eagerly awaiting for PSA to address some of the very valid complaints with the Jakl, mainly weight. there's no reason that they couldn't have off at least 20oz from the 13.7/14/5 Jakl.
@@armorers_wrench correct
Who was your English teacher? I would like to have a word. My goodness. Are you allergic to punctuation?
Do you have any idea of the amount of brain torture you inflict? Lol
Cormac McCarthy, apparently.
brn180 has a bolt handle
jakl has a charging handle
Fair enough distinction.
Mr Redacted, pin and weld that bad boy with the nox keymo it will be 16.1” and you can use the great picstinny stocks from jmac, strike industries, sig, and all the other hundres, I really wanted to run the Zhukov or acr stock but they are plastic and really expensive.
Plausible option, but it's 11.5 and that's a looong muzzle device. Still messing around with it.
The zhukov is a great stock. And PSA sells a whole lower with it for 170
I've got a zhukov stock on a different firearm, and it's treated me well enough.
To dark get some lights man so we can see
Noted. I believe we partially remedied it in later videos
Unless you don't like the dark and spooky vibe.
get rid of the rgb shift
I'll keep this in mind for the future.
I’m 1 minute in and I spent so much time researching these 2. I went with the Brn-180, it’s made my Primary weapon systems who are elite, it’s also much lighter than the jakyl, I think the value is much better when looking at quality of components and then what really sealed the deal was the long term test of the jakyl, after 1k there has been excessive wear and tear. The brn-180 is a modern ar180 which is the father if all good short stroke piston gun with an internal recoil system. I am a lefty so this gun is perfect. I’m running a 13.9” with a p&w nox keymo muzzle device, a strike industries dual folder (not sold on it), I always run a radian ambi safety and I always run both a guiselle maritime bolt catch so I can use my trigger finger and the POF single stage 3.5lb trigger (it is the absolute best single stage, not pretravel, not travel and no over travel, you just wiggle your finger back and forth and it’s runs. The gun bare is only 16.2lbs and I’ve got 1200 rounds with a ab a-10 can on it with the keymo hub adapter. It’s my main rifle and is now my got to gun.
Like all pistons it can get hot, but rail scales will really help, I don’t do mag dumps but tons and tons of bill drills, and 2,2,2’s. Zero gas blow back, as a lefty I’m super sensitive to it.
Being a lefty with the BRN-180 certainly gives you an advantage. I like the rail scales solution and the BRN-180 heat build up, might have to try that out.
This is really weird to say but has anyone ever told you that you remind them of Gene Wilder?
That's a new one for me. I usually get Oddball in Kelly's Heroes played by donald sutherland.
Do the faxon ARAK
need more ammo, will look into it.
Factory vs. Resale store ....iam going factory .
The BRN-180 is made by Primary Weapon Systems.
And while the Jakl and BRN share traits on the grand scheme, they're quite different
Wrong.. it’s the LWRC A5. It’s the best.. 🤪
Bwahaha I used one many years ago and they were silly front-heavy back in the day. Newer models of the LWRC seemed to fix that. It might be time to revisit.
My only main gripe about PSA is their QA/QC. There are still too many current examples of that for me to want to spend my money on or rely on the Jakl.
*generic media response:
Inside sources say they're aware of this and have made aggressive changes to address this issue.
*what I actually know: 15 years ago, the Colt M4 I was issued shot a 3 MOA group. Every PSA I've used in the last 2 years was, at max 2 MOA, and still costs half as much. They've had improvements both from in-house and industry wide improvements.
Of PSA would stop putting carbine profile barrels (thin from chamber to gas block and fat after), and go to something like the BRN and Spear LT (a Hanson profile, consistent taper form chamber to muzzle except for the gas block journal
I think they're intending to change them. But, it's also a weird gun. The barrel could be QD, but isn't, the BCG needs a weight cut, and the charging handle smacks the receiver, denting it..
Whent taken apart the JAKL shows various design influences. from the GGas Piston to the charging handle location.
Neither are better options than an AR. I can fine tune an AR. These both leave few options.
The BRN has a huge gap where dirt can enter the bolt and trigger assembly. The JAKL is made by PSA, so I don't think it will hold up for the long term and the stocks are not rigid.
Both are front heavy and awkward to hold up longer than 30 seconds.
The AR has far more options.
It's a no-brainer.
There's a reason I did't do a straight comparison to the AR.
It can get as nuanced as DI vs gas piston. But that's it's own rabbit whole.
Both serve their purpose. The JAKL will likely be around for a while. The BRN-180 isn't a 1 for 1 replacement, but has its own merits.
You should probably hit the gym if your worried about the weight of the jakl 😅
@@thecitywentaway First, if you can outlift me, I'll buy you a fine steak dinner. Second, I didn't complain about the weight. I complained about the balance. Too much weight upfront causes balance issues.
Internet and video game culture influenced some of gun culture to look for the best weapon?
That's probably the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Humans have been looking for the best weapon since humans existed. I try to give new channels a fair shot, but that's about enough for me.
Looks like you set up production nicely. You're good in front of the camera. Youre talking about relevant weapons. Cut out that silly shit you opened up with and you'll do great.
Thanks for the feedback. I should have clarified, the internet and video games have impacted how much of our generation thinks of the "best weapon" in terms of stats, instead of the right tool for the right job.
Go back to 2010 and read the pages and pages of AK vs AR or 9mm vs 45.
Or the top searches on google, for X vs Y. or "Best Home Defense X" etc.
I could have provided better context.
@redactedllc Goddamit, sadly, you're right. If I hear one more person say "best gun" I'm gonna suck start my rifle.
I took you to mean that games have influenced gun culture to look for the best tool for the job, and that struck me as ridiculous for the reasons I mentioned in my snide comment.
As much as I hate to admit it, mentioning video games at the start of a gun video probably foes good for traffic. There's probably a wording out there that can pull off that effect without pissing off nitpicking pricks like myself. Figuring that wording would probably pay dividends.
Looks like I have a job to do.
glad I could clarify as well.
@@redactedllc Your response reminded me that there is no reason to be snide. I appreciate that. Subscribed.