The looper i've been looking for!.. Almost // Aeros Loop Studio workflow
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- I've been looking for a looper for a long time. I know there are tons of options out there, but this one really caught my eye. Being able to endlessly overdub across six tracks, and then take those sample files and import them into a DAW easily and hassle free has won me over. That isn’t to say that the Aeros Loop Studio is perfect though. As you’ll find out, it does have its shortcomings...
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00:00 What's Up?
02:22 Loop Studio Tutorial
05:00 Why I Wanted a Looper Pedal
06:48 Saving Tracks on the Aeros Loop Studio
07:28 cont'd Building a song on a looper pedal
08:29 A super handy feature!
09:24 Lets keep making a track on a looper
11:55 Aeros Loop Studio Mixer Page
12:13 Major CON but i could be wrong
15:33 Transfering Looper Song to Ableton Live
20:25 Aeros Loop Studio Review and Final Thoughts
21:58 Outro Jam
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Incredible video presentation on the Aeros. We're currently working on additional functions so stay tuned! You ROCK, Ricky!
Great to hear about the updates chaps!
I'm with you. I've been waiting for this exact feature set for at least 10 years. The Boss loopers did not have the features I had in mind. Once I saw a demo of the Loop Studio, I bought it immediately.
Have you been happy with the Loop Studio? Considering getting one. I have Boss RC 300 now.
Aldo (youtuber) does great stuff with the Aeros. Its been on my list for a while.
@@Aldoistaken u goat
Easily bouncing tracks an essential feature of portastudios is still the mystery to the digital age.
I've had an Aeros for several months now and love it. I really like being able to step away from my computer and just create fun ideas quickly. It's also got me to pair up different synths that I hadn't really used together before.
I thought I was the only one with hundreds of songs titled "seriously f'ing awesome!" cramming up my hard drive, lol.
"Do i wanna fix that?" - Everyone owning any looper
hahaha
Can’t get more hipster than this Casio. Looks cool.
In fairness to this looper it looks like you missed the main draw and the thing that sets it apart - the "locking of loops" thing that you were getting confused about is the key to having both serial (one plays after the other, on one track) and parallel (multiple tracks concurrently playing) loops going at once, which is the whole innovation. Because the loops don't have to be the same length as one another, this can lead to all kinds of crazy song structures and patterns, and you can jump from section to section live, overdubbing/deleting/muting, and even altering loop volume -- and can allegedly do so with your feet once you learn the device well enough 😅. This is definitely not meant to be just a scratchpad or SP-404 replacement; it's meant to be played like an instrument of its own.
Imagine limiting yourself to using a piece of gear "the way it's meant to be used" lol
You fuggin repulsive square
@@largepoodle6036 lol looks like you have also missed the point entirely. This is like having an Octatrack and being mad that it's not a KeyStep because you only tried sequencing something with it.
I would never get onto someone for "not using something the way it's intended" but I was kinda upset to watch a video presenting itself as a review of a product that involves maybe 10% of the product's features while dismissing the foundation of the other 90% as "board game rules" 🙄
@@ryanjapan I totally get the value behind how locked sections work, but it irks me that you can't *unlock* them and that locked tracks have to be sequential to one another. Those two specific points do feel like arbitrary board game rules. I agree that they don't matter nearly as much in a live context, though.
@@largepoodle6036 Overreact much? Jeez.
Guys check GroupTheLoop app and also the incoming Loopy Pro (now in alpha but son in open betatest).
Just watching you have fun playing with tracks makes me wanna have fun playing with tracks.
Great way to start a Sunday. I recently picked up a looper and my experience is very similar. Somewhere short of a DAW but with a sneaky depth. Thanks for the video.
Lighting and camera angles were especially good this video, always inspiring
Dakim + Dibia$e = SP juggernauts 🚀
Love this stuff Ricky excellent.
If GAS was a person, his name would be Ricky Tinez
It's cool because he always does videos on the gear I don't know about it or wouldn't have thought about much.
My man, are you calling Ricky a fart, you?
Nice looper. Agree on the midi start stop msg. The looper, tracks and locking work correctly IMO. Time to save up!
The PT-1 was the first instrument I ever had when I was a kid.
I got an Aeros last month for making long, asynchronous loops primarily of my synths, and I've only just started realizing its potential. I'm so glad you're covering it! The first of my synths that I tried the Aeros with is my Lyra-8, and it really tames that wild beast. To me so far, the Aeros is like a mini-DAW that I can try out, pair and settle on different stems before even committing to an arrangement in Ableton.
Thanks for the kind words! We're working on more features. Stay tuned!
I love the casio pt-1 action in this
been waiting for a video from you. Thank you once again
Always like to see new loopers! I use the BOSS RC 505, which I love. Simple to use and great midi implementation.
This is really sick didnt think I’d be into a looper outside of tape loops but this thing could really streamline live improv for myself very interested thanks for the great video as always Ricky!!
yea its a fun almost weirdly "less serious" way of making serious music haha. it just pushes you into recording and getting something done and accepting it and moving on!
@@RickyTinez I like this notion :)
That looper is tight for something from 1979 🙂
Lol there's definitely nothing that existed in 1979 that could do what this thing does, but I agree that this video gives that impression
That Casio is straight 80’s
I have a Monome Norns Shield on the way for this looping kinda thing. If it doesnt do what I want it to, a script for it will. Seems like a very versatile 'looper', along with being so many other things. I'd love to see your take on what Norns can do. Its very competitively priced if using the Norns Shield version.
I just googled that thing. That looks damn interesting! thx for that
@@DerAykac Just started using mine today. Its such a simple device, amazingly powerful. Very pleased with my purchase! :D
@@smacksalad What scripts are you using on the Norns? Still loving it? How tight is the clock to your DAW?
I wish there would be a drum machine or sampler with design and control knobs like this machine has, that would be the coolest sampler ever, that wheel is seems to be so satisfying to work with. Having a scroll function to be come an undoubtedly a part of our life in last 2 decades, that wheel should just feel so natural and sooooo satisfying.
Been looking for a simple multitrack looper like this forever now, so dope. Perfect for using some vintage gear too that doesn't have midi.
THAT WAS HOT FYAH 4 REAL!
Hopefully they take ur tips for the next update. Great vid!!!
I love the ending
For real, that green Line 6 delay/looper pedal is amazing and its great with synths.
yea? ive been super curious about it!
The Line6 green delay with the looper was my first looper. It has amazing creative possibilities, but there’s no way to get perfectly timed loops because there’s no internal clock. The loop length is based exclusively on when you press the record start and stop. That limitation taught me how to create and use ambient style washes that flow over bar lines and don’t need to be tempo synced. I just got the pigtronix infinity looper and it has really good midi in sync capabilities and the ability to slow and speed up the loop. I’m still learning all that it does.
@@MatthewDavisMusic Dude, you have to quantize yourself. If you cant get a clean loop without quantize, that's a problem. I used a kaoss pro plus as a looper for years without quantize. No problem.
Was in a band in college about 13yrs ago every player/instrument had a line6 looper in their chain. No midi sync made it super interesting. Those things are super fun. Also made about 15 albums of ambient synth music with that guy…Always wanted to try out that gibson echoplex that Battles used…
@@jonhrabkofilms you are me
i just picked up a boss rc-20xl a couple days ago and its so awesome. i mostly do soundtrack and ambient stuff and its awesome for building on, copying patters, and can store like 15 minutes of recording
I wish I knew half the stuff you do bro. Inspiring watching you at work.
Bought it early and it just wasnt ready. Went back to the boss rc 505. Sounds like they fixed a lot with some firmware updates but that was about a year and a half after i returned it. Might take a look again.
Same here, i returned it too, but I will probably buy it again later. Great potential, but now I keep playing with my 1440.
@@vincentverraest2722 For sure. I have a Deluge with the foot controller so im all set. Does all the things a looper should be able to do if you want the strong feature set. Bonus is that its the Deluge so I can take those loops, chop em up, add drum tracks, arrange it, add synths, all in the box. Looper is like an add on which has a ton more functionality than most standard loopers. Even the EHX's. They all have their duties but you dont want to really spend that much time figuring out a simple looper. Tap, record, tap again, stop record. Got your tempo now, record more.
I use this slaved to either my modular (with NERDSEQ as sequencer and clock source) or via Ableton (with CV tools) and it is a tight sync with stop/start and BPM. It’s pretty fantastic in terms of weaving in guitar and other live sources, especially with a pedalboard & something like the bored brain patchulator.
Hey Ricky keep it up man!
This looper would pair nicely with any groovebox or any 1 person band setup. Even though the Roland MC707 has a loop function within it, I'm considering the Aeros Loop Studio to be my dedicated looper.
Great video
Interesting. I bought the Aeros, played with it for awhile, then decided it was a bit limited compared to other loopers. I then bought an RC505MKII and was immediately overwhelmed. It was just too complicated for my non technical mind. Now I’m back using the Aeros and finding it’s not as limited as I’d initially thought. And definitely more user friendly.
Dude, those new specs are 🔥
Ricky you should definitely check out the line 6 DL4 looper, it’s limited but you can do very creative things like record loops/overdubs in half speed mode then put the pedal in regular speed and those overdubs will be an octave higher/twice as fast. Kishi Bashi uses the technique to make really creative live arrangements and Reggie watts is a master of the DL4 as well. It’s also way more affordable than the Aeros
Hot Fyre for Real
I have the Line 6 DL4 (green delay pedal Reggie Watts uses), it's dope as hell 🤘 I'm nowhere near as proficient a performer as he is, but I see how his overdub style would make good use of this pedal. The three modelers leave you with ZERO delay needs outside of the DL4 👍
This cheeky smile of yours @Ricky Tinez reminds me a lot of @Marques Brownlee 🤩 Sweet.
Why do I always feel so relieved after seeing a musician/producer use a sane keyboard instead of Apple atrocity?
Used the 45000 exclusively past 4 years. OB6 goes stereo in, record 4 parts (bass, chords, pad, and lead) sidechain out into tr8!
Not a DAW-less approach but I strongly recommend using the built in Ableton Looper with a Nektar Pacer. Initially quite complicated to set up & get your head around programming it but once you do & see how much power you have at your feet you’ll be very pleasantly surprised. Also since you’re using a DAW you have so many more options to play around with recorded loops & in my opinion is a more musical & less fiddly workflow. Plus it’s only around $220 / €220
Came for the looper. But the instead you solved my number one issue with Ableton! How you just loaded in tracks while holding command. I will save sooooo much time now. Thanks a million
The looper on the helix floor is very easy to use. There's actually a few different loopers built into it, some with some wild pitch and shuffle randomization. I use it for sampled hip hop beats and have it midi clocked to an MPC :)
I find the looper hard to use hahaha! I wish it had some quantisation/click and other features that are pretty common in dedicated loopers
As a EHX 95000 user for the last three years, it has to be the centre of the studio timing as it will send but not receive MIDI Clock. For this reason I use it separately as an incredible acoustic guitar looper with an H9 into 2x Roland Ac33 amps. I record guitar loops in Ableton, perfect the audio using warp and send it to the 95000 for precision loops and live performance.
just got my aeros loop a few weaks ago. it's amazing that the workflow is very fluent with only four footswitch.
I love this looper but it's hard for me to say it's more powerful than a boss looper. With a big color screen, the settings menu is still a mess and some little problem limit its possiblity. I
really hope it can have some submenu to make it clearly organized And Like boss rc300 it also has more than one output. But in boss rc300, you can set the output ports and input ports for each tracks and even for the metronome and drummaschine individually. in aeros loop, i can only set the output for metronome and the audiorotate for all the tracks but not each of them.
And another thing that makes me uncomfortable is i can't turn off / turn on the metronome in song page. I have to save my song, go to setting page, turn off or turn on and go back. Now I send metronome to audio out and plug into a mixer to control the volume and turn on/turn off. These are really small small things, but for the people who sometimes get nervous without metronome it is really important.
A great thing is since it's realease, it had lots of firmware updates ( i really like the lock mode in recent updates). It is more flexible than any looper in market and the outlook has a sense of science and technology. Hope it can get better in the future.
I wish I had seen this review a year ago. Just traded up from the Boss RC-202 to the RC-505mk2 and you're right.. Its A LOT!!! ;D
Thanks for the great review!! We're analyzing your feedback and seeing what we can implement ASAP :-)
You need to add a *MorningStar MC8* to that bad boy and send 16 programs per button switch, including bpm and even wave generated midi signals!! enjoy going down that rabbit hole.
Not sure if it's been said already, but the compressor section in the daw reminded me about the makeup button. I believe it's the stock plugins attempt at gain control, so you still get the compression with less volume loss. Not sure if that makes any sense, but it does in my brain lol
Having played around a bit with a Boss looper, I'm excited about the display / touchscreen on the Aeros (Boss doesn't have any visualization of the recorded audio). So with the Aeros device you can certainly go a long way with regards to arranging stuff, adding and removing certain parts etc... With the Boss loopers, it's more like editing everything by ear (which is quite interesting and intuitive, but it doesn't give the same flexibility when it comes to move an idea forward - unless you really master the looper...). Oh, and of course, 6 tracks is quite superior to most other loopers. So, don't want to judge which of those is better or not, just have to say I'm quite impressed by this machine :) Luckily it is quite pricey so I can't afford it... otherwise Gear Aquisition Syndrome would kick in once again :D
great framing in the intro enrique
Stay demanding ! That's how you get better thought out products ! (:
Especially considering that you talk about things that can easily be solved in software updates !
I use a electroharmonix stereo memory man w/ hazarai and a grand canyon with an oceans 12 for my tape loops and thing to the sp. They're really deep and make crazy sound.
hot fyeh indeed
Hey there Ricky......they have an incredible Midi Maestro as well as their Beat Buddy that can be used as a master for midi control. You have DEFINATELEY landed on a good company brother.
the beat buddy is limited to its own sounds. Use any external drum machine with midi as your clock and you will have much more muiscial freedom with this thing.
I started wanting to loop just guitar and vocals with the EHX95000, switched to Digitech Jamman synced with SDRUM, and ended up with the Singular Sound Aeros with Beat Buddy and Maestro. Then, I got into hardware synths and sequencing. Interesting to see your take at the beginning with the tempo out analysis from the freeform loops. Does Ableton do the BPM detection? Great to see your creative workflow and dropping it into Ableton. You should ask for two Midi Maestros and use one in Ableton mode and one in Aeros mode. I think you could address your Cons with part editing.
Kaoss Pad 3 is my go-to sampler. It has overdub/resample. Awesome for remixing and chopping samples on the fly.
It's the heart of my studio. Just about everything I produce gets manipulated through it.
This ^^^ . I record my daw vsts into the kp3+ and sample into mpc one 😂.
Like imagine if the kaoss pad had 4 pages of samples 🤤
Neat little device. I guess the bonus of it is, that the software can be tweaked and improved down the line.
I have a Boss RC-505 and it is so easy. I might be garbage atm but I am getting better. But it's still pretty easy and fun. Nearly 50 and love beat making, still ;)
Geez, my experience with the 505 was totally different. That damned thing is so difficult for me, but the Aeros was easy.
Do you use a re amping box when you're connecting your pedals to your audio interface?
What stand are you using for your modular/octa setup in the background?
DIBIA$E IS KING
I have the Boss RC-202. Its a dope looper, has midi in/out, and 2 separate tracks with a ton of effects. It's half the price of the Aeros. This does seem dope though.
Half the price for half the features
I’m looking for a looper that I can record guitar riffs into and trigger via midi with a sequencer like a digitakt. Will this work? Or is it kinda overkill for my needs?
What’s that stand in the background? The stand holding your Octatrack anniversary edition.
Do you prefer the 1010 Black Box Sampler for live looping? I love the tip about temp names on tracks btw ;)
The Electro-Harmonix EHX 95000 is a solid looper too
I've been using EHX2880 like this for years. Also in series. No undo and each track is mono, but the EHX2880 (and 45000 for that matter) has other more dogmatic tricks. Taking the tracks to Ableton is also a breeze, with the 2880 telling you the bpm in a file on the CF card.
I'm curious if the Aeros will be able to do any form of polyrhythmic recording, and if it can do punch-in in the same way as EHX2880, where you are recording until the take is good, and you then just keep the last loop.
Ableton can obey all my looping wishes, but hardware looping is satisfactory.
Its always a D-7 on every track, and they all sound boss 😂❤
Ricky! Love your vids dude thanks :) question for you man, i bought an mpc live 2 but had to sell it as it literally ruined my flow, not for me AT ALL, cried in the shower a few times after using it hah. i bought a tr8s and have a digitakt which are great but im trying to find something that handles loops and slicing and can do timestretch. so i can up loops and sequence them with the digi perhaps. what would you recommend? and don't say oktatrack hahah :P
synthstrom deluge added a bunch of looper capabilities, but I've never played with them. curious how it compares to a dedicated looper
I was wondering if the newer updates expanded the capabilities for you? I have just received mine and am in the learning phase.
Didn't read all the comments, but i have my midi clock being sent out of my aeros and controlling the time based effects like Microcosm, Volante, etc
But I have the Beat Buddy aswell , and actually it is setting the midi clock, and have the aeros receiving clock and sending it
Mentioning cause your initial qualm I think it can do, but maybe one needs the beat buddy for that,.. they got a split y cable to have set up for switching to an alternative drum source aswell
yea i think you NEED the beatbuddy for that setup :/
Thanks for checking in on it though!
@@RickyTinez word man, thanks for all the great content in general 🤘
I read that SS has said with a future firmware update, the Aeros can send master clock
what kind of casio is that? I bet it would be a fun portable jam tool!
Just watching this a year later but if you're still looking for a simple looper I would highly recommend the Boss RC202! I've actually sold mine but wow I really miss jamming on it!
I was super excited to get this but after reading a lot of reviews on it that were saying it's got issues I opted for the Boss RC-500. Those 6 tracks though...
The Aeros can record 6 tracks and 6 song parts
Did this come with a program to edit??What program were you using after you inserted the SD card into the computer?
Good stuff, you're a cool dude, WHAT DAW are you using? I don't recognize it. Is it easy to use? I'm new to all this stuff. Thanks
Random question. Where did u get your hat? (I also have that looper)
That looper seems to add to the overall fun factor for you, @Ricky Tinez? Or is my perception wrong?
Cool review. Since you ask, all the different loopers have their advantages but the ehx 45000 is a piece of beauty in design simplicity and completeness and sounds super fat. You can record pitch changes with the tempo slider, you can record hard-paned music like Zeppelin or Coltrane stereo into it to get a stereo wave file so you can then practice along with just one side. You can reverse loops. You can use recording mode to make it work as a digital delay and control the repeats from one to infinite (and in this case it will last forever) with the volume fader, like a tape machine, which is also killer for fun practice. You can use the tempo fader, which also affects pitch to record a bassline with a guitar (by doubling the tempo then bringing it back down). And it has essentially 5 tracks because on of them is a mixdown stereo track but you can use it as just a fifth instrument. You do have to buy the separate foot controller though which is kind of a scam (sort of useless without it).
So are you saying the 45000 can do fading/decaying overdubs? Also, is there an undo function on the 45000? Didn't see it in the manual.
@@jojojiles Confirmed on the decaying overdubs in record mode. No, unfortunately no undo on the 45,000. More like do-over lol.
@@TROGULAR10000 Do-over? What exactly do you mean?
@@jojojiles Most sucky thing about the 45,000 is having to get the foot switch separately, which is a total ripoff, like leaving out an essential feature and charging an offensive and surreal amount of money for it. Hoping the forthcoming Novation Circuit Rhythm can replace the 45,000 for me. Cool think about the 45,000 was having it behind my mixer so anything that went to the mixer including returns from amplifiers or whatever else can happily get looped. Maybe will try the same with Circuit Rhythm.
@@TROGULAR10000 Also, thx for the quick reply...
What widescreen monitor are you using and do you like it?
1 year after, what do you think? (RC 505 is good with drum machines, it has a few different limitations + a detailed FX section)
This is dope! I'm stoked to see you doing looper stuff. I've been using various ones for years and I hope you make more videos with it. Curious how you'll end up using it.
I've been using an EHX 95000 for a while now, and it seems like the Loop Studio *could* be better than it if it had MIDI clock and some other stuff...but that MIDI clock is kind of a deal breaker. Like it looks great, having a touch screen that you can menu dive a bit with is kind of cool. The EHX is kind of like operating a fancy digital watch from 1999, but it works, and there's no menu to dive. It does send/receive clock and can send/receive play/stop signals, so tie it to a groove box and you've got a 6 track looper/mixer with reverse and half/double speed.
We should have the MIDI clock feature very soon.
I agree, i also decided against this looper and went vfor the EHX95000 for this very reason.
I still prefer the mpc live looper. Preset a bunch of tracks with a midi note then when you assign new loops to pads they will auto play so no need to stop jamming. Thanks for the great video as always :)
I need to have another try of the MPC looper. I got confused when I first tried it so maybe I've gotten more used to the MPC now.
Question here 🙋♂️ , if I’m playing a song live and the bridge comes , can I have a pre saved loop ready to play when that time comes during the song without me pressing anything??
Looper is cool but where did you get that camo wall blanket?
"Loopers" that can't go from record into overdub are in violation of the natural order of things.
I'm glad they accommodated for this in their first looper. They need to get some other things in order but that is typical for MI companies that design loopers without knowing the history and techniques of live looping.
Need to see my man Rebillet on that ish.
Confused why you don't mention the RC-505/202 here? Just because not a "pedal?"
To me this is basically an RC-606 in a compact format without individual track faders so why does it cost more? (aside from the extra track) Currently I am torn between something like this and something like the Tracker... I'm not really doing live performances but like jam.
Is this the Gold edition? I would love to see you make a 2 year follow up on it.
The touchscreen doesn’t look very responsive. Reminds me of an old HP printer 😅. This technology drives me crazy.
does the loops you record set them in time automatically?
“MIDI in midi out so I was Im-midi-ately excited”
For the way that I want to use this machine. So if you set the tempo.Does the item recording track in terms of bars? So that if you wanted to say go back after another jamming for an hour. Can you send markers? And would say those markers points has to bar timeline type of thing? Can you crop and edit files? And then put them to the timeline?
You can create another song and to the process of downloading the files again. Also, you can edit the files however you want to your timeline.