Just rewatched the video and I just realized I uploaded the Error version of the recording! At 4:46 this is suppose to be the stun agents Solo Side by Side. They are still in the video so I will change the time stamps.
Your comments with damage with Ellen and Lyacon are different than what the video is showing us. On the Caesar team, Ellen is doing between 17k and 34k on her final basic attack string (unstunned). On the Lyacon team it was 11k and 24k (unstunned). On the stunned rotation, Ellen was doing 22k to 41K on that rotation, but we never got to see the damage on the Caesar team since the enemy was already dead. I suggest keeping Ellen on field in both rotations since is looks like the Caesar team is greatly outperforms the Lyacon teams by 64%.
I may be wrong here, but as I can see in the footage it seemed that Lycaon hadn’t activated his ice res yet, as he didn’t use Ex attack or assist attack. So if it was applied, maybe the damage will surpass Caesar’s?
Caesar outperforming Lycaon is consistent with on paper damage Calcs with Lycaon improving Ellen's Damage output (including stun up) by 69% (nice) and Caesar improving by 85% these numbers done specifically on MY Ellen so subject to change with differently built Ellens but Caesar doing the best will not change just the %'s but none of that calculates frequency of stun, so if there are extra stuns with Lycaon on the team then he jumps ahead again
something important to say its that caesar daze dps/burst is clearly worst than others stunners but she compensate with extremely dmg buffs. So she is clearly better at being a support than a stunner, we need to see if its better to caesar switch places with the support or stunned.
To be fair, it would be ridiculous if Caesar was out-stunning the Stunners lol. That would make me question the Devs balancing capabilities a lot. Caesar is for those that want to play efficiently without having the Stunner on field for 90% of the fight. She lets you play your DPS more and allows them to have more field time. That's why her shield and buff durations are so long. (This does not apply to burst DPS like Zhu Yuan tho since they don't want to be on-field until the boss is stunned) However, if you want to keep Caesar on-field for most of the fight, you can. It just won't be as efficient as an actual Stunner which I think is fair. Do you agree?
made me smile. you forgot to mention to give her a support W-engine and attacker drive discs. With that in mind she is the hybrid of all. Or in short - as Tuco once said: tight tight tight.
Can't make up for Qingyi's stun multipler and seeing as Zhu Yuan is really the only character that actually NEEDS the stun window, Qingyi can't really be replaced in that comp. Other dps characters already work better with double support anyways so Caesar fits any other team
@@forcodingg1287 respectfully you lack basic reading comprehension. Go back to school. I have Zhu and Qingyi. Where did I ever say how to play Zhu???? Where did I ever talk about her. Maybe read the OP's post once more and slowly this time. Then try again. You can do it I have faith
The way I see it is characters that need stun windows like Zhu and Corin are just bad characters, they're worse than Billy in fact. Because Billy can solo end game mode like Shity by himself but these two can't, it's the stunner carrying them and if you don't have premium stunner like Qingyi then it would be better to just bench them and use solo Billy instead because non Qingyi stunners are really bad.
my take is that instead of competing with stun character, she actually fill the support slot her atk buff, dmg increase (sig.W) and other debuff +shield actually insane powercreep all the current support she surprising goes well with stunner in the team! increase stunned dmg% which caesar dont have and her sig.w actually boost the stunner daze anton qingyi caesar is my current fav team
Koleda does boost dmg. She boost chain dmg during stun by 70% but you need to EX to debuff the enemy. At least you aren't doomposting Caesar as much now but I think you still don't understand her value. How much she stuns depends on what you are fighting. Some stuff she may stun faster than Qingyi because she's the slowest Dazer in the game when I've seen all 4 played optimally side by side. Of course Qingyi works best with Zhu, they were designed for each other. Qinqyi won't be a better option in some other teams and even with Zhu you can run them both. Caesar gives 1000 Attack and 25% dmg buff that isn't just during stun. It's easy to maintain 100% uptime. Qingyi 80% bonus ( if fully stacked prior to stun) is ONLY during stun. Again perfect for Zhu. Her shield is really strong and as you said with Ellen it allows higher dps since you don't have to dodge. This will be huge against some enemies and with certain teammates. So yes she will be better for some teams and that not powercreep it's just team synergy.
Also wanted to chime in and include that Koleda has the best dodge counter daze % in the game by a sizable margin over all other stun agents (I think just at level 1 it’s around 400% and other agents need to hit level 10 dodge ability just to match that) and for that she’s really good against hyper aggressive enemies
Yeah Koleda boosts damage but when I was mentioning it I was more so thinking of a Stun % boost like Lycaon and Qingyi. Because it's no where near as good as theirs not to mention time consuming on some characters. I personally cancel my 3 chain most of the time and only do two characters Support into DPS or vice versa. I have them all compared here as well Koleda is the fastest with Energy but once she spends it she becomes extremely slow.
My only critique for this video is that I don't think Caesar should be compared in the way that favors the current stunners in the game. That time that the other stunners spend trying to build the stun bar is time that the DPS could be using do deal their damage uninhibited (due to Caesar's shield) and when you need to get that stun bar up, you should only be doing so in reaction to enemy attacks. Her kit is geared towards being a reactionary stunner and should be demonstrated as such at least once in the video (preferably against tankier enemies), especially in that S11 showcase.
I understand that point but I don't think people realize you don't gain the shield without Energy so I needed to leave her in the fight so that she could get enough energy to get her Shield up. Starting off with 0 is rough for any character to be honest. In terms of Soldier 11 video I mentioned how it's really unfair for Koleda many times since she is so energy reliant so I kept her in longer to make it more fair.
@@CyanTril-Zenless I think the video would have been a better demonstration if you took these units to end game content such as shiyu defense and held the test there while using each of the stunners how they were intended to be played. Anyways not going to harp on it too much, what you showed was useful. Thanks for the video. 🫡
@@CyanTril-Zenlessyou don’t need to go to shiyu defense exactly, you could have went to any of the end game modes that have a boss, such as the mode that gives ascension materials for A-F. I’ve seen this from other CCs, just that they didn’t compare stun against these bosses.
@@Terra028CI cannot they made a mistake this time and the material limit stops you from doing those fights. I already tried I was gonna do notorious hunt but it doesn’t allow me. This was not the case with the previous version 1.1 . I wish people just listen instead of saying things like I didn’t try it 😂
I haven't tested it yet I plan on doing a video checking out multiple builds including anomaly Ceasar. So I will let you know when I get to it. But the team would probably not include seth and run Lucy instead. I haven't decided yet
Besides the first comparison with F2P Ceasar. Every run afterwards is using her Signature 5* W-Engine unless you mean other stunner Agent W-engines which isn't possible because she is a defense agent.
@@Edengoldengardens The video is already done. But I may consider that for a follow up video I never really thought of that personally and its the first I've heard of it thanks for the idea I will test it out at a later time.
Just rewatched the video and I just realized I uploaded the Error version of the recording! At 4:46 this is suppose to be the stun agents Solo Side by Side. They are still in the video so I will change the time stamps.
Your comments with damage with Ellen and Lyacon are different than what the video is showing us. On the Caesar team, Ellen is doing between 17k and 34k on her final basic attack string (unstunned). On the Lyacon team it was 11k and 24k (unstunned). On the stunned rotation, Ellen was doing 22k to 41K on that rotation, but we never got to see the damage on the Caesar team since the enemy was already dead.
I suggest keeping Ellen on field in both rotations since is looks like the Caesar team is greatly outperforms the Lyacon teams by 64%.
I think the same 😂
I may be wrong here, but as I can see in the footage it seemed that Lycaon hadn’t activated his ice res yet, as he didn’t use Ex attack or assist attack. So if it was applied, maybe the damage will surpass Caesar’s?
Caesar outperforming Lycaon is consistent with on paper damage Calcs with Lycaon improving Ellen's Damage output (including stun up) by 69% (nice) and Caesar improving by 85% these numbers done specifically on MY Ellen so subject to change with differently built Ellens but Caesar doing the best will not change just the %'s but none of that calculates frequency of stun, so if there are extra stuns with Lycaon on the team then he jumps ahead again
@@frrd.p6136 The enemy was also weak to ice naturally but that still leaves an extra 5% damage hanging
something important to say its that caesar daze dps/burst is clearly worst than others stunners but she compensate with extremely dmg buffs. So she is clearly better at being a support than a stunner, we need to see if its better to caesar switch places with the support or stunned.
Caesar gives more dmg buffs but overall Caesar daze dps/burst is not the greatest losing to most stunners. Is something you needed to considered
To be fair, it would be ridiculous if Caesar was out-stunning the Stunners lol. That would make me question the Devs balancing capabilities a lot.
Caesar is for those that want to play efficiently without having the Stunner on field for 90% of the fight. She lets you play your DPS more and allows them to have more field time. That's why her shield and buff durations are so long. (This does not apply to burst DPS like Zhu Yuan tho since they don't want to be on-field until the boss is stunned)
However, if you want to keep Caesar on-field for most of the fight, you can. It just won't be as efficient as an actual Stunner which I think is fair.
Do you agree?
@@MattyRC agree
caesar is a defense character, who's really a stun character, who i'll play as a dps
Yeah I plan on doing a build comparison video since she has so many Builds! Critical DPS / Anomaly / Stunner / Hybrid
made me smile.
you forgot to mention to give her a support W-engine and attacker drive discs. With that in mind she is the hybrid of all.
Or in short - as Tuco once said: tight tight tight.
Can't make up for Qingyi's stun multipler and seeing as Zhu Yuan is really the only character that actually NEEDS the stun window, Qingyi can't really be replaced in that comp. Other dps characters already work better with double support anyways so Caesar fits any other team
Ya Caesar's 1000 attack bonus and 25% dmg bonus applies for the entire fight. Qinqyi's 80% is just during stun
Corin also needs the stun window, but other than that, I agree
@@forcodingg1287 respectfully you lack basic reading comprehension. Go back to school. I have Zhu and Qingyi. Where did I ever say how to play Zhu???? Where did I ever talk about her. Maybe read the OP's post once more and slowly this time. Then try again.
You can do it I have faith
Corin is the only one need stunner widow
The way I see it is characters that need stun windows like Zhu and Corin are just bad characters, they're worse than Billy in fact. Because Billy can solo end game mode like Shity by himself but these two can't, it's the stunner carrying them and if you don't have premium stunner like Qingyi then it would be better to just bench them and use solo Billy instead because non Qingyi stunners are really bad.
Thank you for your time and for making the comparisons with your opinions! 💪🏻
Really helpful was looking for this comparison thank you!
my take is that instead of competing with stun character, she actually fill the support slot
her atk buff, dmg increase (sig.W) and other debuff +shield actually insane powercreep all the current support
she surprising goes well with stunner in the team! increase stunned dmg% which caesar dont have and her sig.w actually boost the stunner daze
anton qingyi caesar is my current fav team
anby with koleda wengine is my only stun, so most likely im picking caesar up. i hear she can use stun wengine?
For Impact stat only, but you don’t get the bonus ability per agent class
@@Kurono_Alien ah ok thx
Koleda does boost dmg. She boost chain dmg during stun by 70% but you need to EX to debuff the enemy. At least you aren't doomposting Caesar as much now but I think you still don't understand her value. How much she stuns depends on what you are fighting. Some stuff she may stun faster than Qingyi because she's the slowest Dazer in the game when I've seen all 4 played optimally side by side. Of course Qingyi works best with Zhu, they were designed for each other. Qinqyi won't be a better option in some other teams and even with Zhu you can run them both. Caesar gives 1000 Attack and 25% dmg buff that isn't just during stun. It's easy to maintain 100% uptime. Qingyi 80% bonus ( if fully stacked prior to stun) is ONLY during stun. Again perfect for Zhu.
Her shield is really strong and as you said with Ellen it allows higher dps since you don't have to dodge. This will be huge against some enemies and with certain teammates. So yes she will be better for some teams and that not powercreep it's just team synergy.
Also wanted to chime in and include that Koleda has the best dodge counter daze % in the game by a sizable margin over all other stun agents (I think just at level 1 it’s around 400% and other agents need to hit level 10 dodge ability just to match that) and for that she’s really good against hyper aggressive enemies
Yeah Koleda boosts damage but when I was mentioning it I was more so thinking of a Stun % boost like Lycaon and Qingyi. Because it's no where near as good as theirs not to mention time consuming on some characters. I personally cancel my 3 chain most of the time and only do two characters Support into DPS or vice versa.
I have them all compared here as well Koleda is the fastest with Energy but once she spends it she becomes extremely slow.
My only critique for this video is that I don't think Caesar should be compared in the way that favors the current stunners in the game. That time that the other stunners spend trying to build the stun bar is time that the DPS could be using do deal their damage uninhibited (due to Caesar's shield) and when you need to get that stun bar up, you should only be doing so in reaction to enemy attacks. Her kit is geared towards being a reactionary stunner and should be demonstrated as such at least once in the video (preferably against tankier enemies), especially in that S11 showcase.
I understand that point but I don't think people realize you don't gain the shield without Energy so I needed to leave her in the fight so that she could get enough energy to get her Shield up. Starting off with 0 is rough for any character to be honest.
In terms of Soldier 11 video I mentioned how it's really unfair for Koleda many times since she is so energy reliant so I kept her in longer to make it more fair.
@@CyanTril-Zenless I think the video would have been a better demonstration if you took these units to end game content such as shiyu defense and held the test there while using each of the stunners how they were intended to be played. Anyways not going to harp on it too much, what you showed was useful. Thanks for the video. 🫡
@@Terra028C 18:33 will answer your question. I noticed a lot of people never watched the video it seems lol. Just want comparison
@@CyanTril-Zenlessyou don’t need to go to shiyu defense exactly, you could have went to any of the end game modes that have a boss, such as the mode that gives ascension materials for A-F. I’ve seen this from other CCs, just that they didn’t compare stun against these bosses.
@@Terra028CI cannot they made a mistake this time and the material limit stops you from doing those fights. I already tried I was gonna do notorious hunt but it doesn’t allow me. This was not the case with the previous version 1.1 . I wish people just listen instead of saying things like I didn’t try it 😂
How much does neko benifit from Ceaser?
Is neko/Ceaser/lucy gonna be a great team?
Just allows her to build up her core passive easier. And That team will work great.
@@CyanTril-Zenless awesome
Thats the team I'm going with too
What are your thoughts on how well Caesar will fit into a Jane team? Jane/Seth/Caesar seem good?
I haven't tested it yet I plan on doing a video checking out multiple builds including anomaly Ceasar. So I will let you know when I get to it. But the team would probably not include seth and run Lucy instead. I haven't decided yet
Is ellen, caesar lycaon a good team?
Yes
before qingyi release:
anby still the best
after qinyi banner end:
F anby (bcs enemy become agressive)
would like to see the 5 star stun engines on caesar too!
Besides the first comparison with F2P Ceasar. Every run afterwards is using her Signature 5* W-Engine unless you mean other stunner Agent W-engines which isn't possible because she is a defense agent.
@@CyanTril-Zenless it won’t give her the bonus effect but she’ll still get the impact main stat
give it a shot in your w engine comparison vid :D
@@Edengoldengardens The video is already done. But I may consider that for a follow up video I never really thought of that personally and its the first I've heard of it thanks for the idea I will test it out at a later time.
I hope there is a limited character like Ellen, who doesn't need a stun window for big damage, I hope it's Lighter
Isn't that what Jane is right now. I've seen like countless vids of people doing HZ11 and Shiyu with just solo Jane.
@@ach3909 Any character can solo in this game currently the requirements aren't too high yet.
@@ach3909 yep, I have her, and I plan to pair her with Caesar
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