1873 Springfield...The "Trapdoor": Anvil 111
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Full conservation of an unmolested 1873, from the 1876 time frame, with NONE of the armory reworks. Real time capsule stuff. Support us: / anvil NOT a tutorial...we show what you need to learn, not how to do . Cannot perform at this level? Do NOT attempt.
I shoot N-SSA with a trio of original pieces. A '61 springfield rifle musket, a '42 springfield smoothbore, and a Smith's Patent Carbine. When I'm at the range practicing, you hear "I've never seen one outside a museum!" or "Aren't you scared to shoot something that old?" I use the same thing quote you did on at the end of the video. The gun has no idea how old it is. Proper projectiles and conservative loads will keep these guns shooting for another 150 years with proper maintenance and cleaning, especially with black powder.
I bought a Krag a few years back that was virtually pristine on the outside. So why did I take the gun apart anyway? Because there was sugar rust on the inside of the buttplate and trigger guard, that's why! You'll never know what's hiding under there until you check.
Great work as always
Those trays are great! I made myself a couple a while back, they fit into a little rack that lives on my wall, great for storing projects while you're waiting on parts etc. I'd suggest sealing the mdf with something like watered-down pva as they tend to shed dust and start to blow-up/fall apart once they soak-up a bit of humidity. Sterling work as always guys, thanks!
Trays are in fact sealed and repel oil quite well
Just once I'd like to see Mark fix something that Lawrence of Arabia did use.
Ditto 😅
He’d be the guy
They're all in Leeds. Call Jonathan.
What about that broken firing pin? How did you handle that issue?
He said he was making a new one later off camera
Was becoming a tad concerned regarding your presence, or lack thereof as of recent. Too long between vids. However, walking pew nomia will do that. Glad your on the mend and I must say a superb return video. Thank you.
There was a dude we knew used to us a muzzle loader to hunt pigs , he said the main thing to do was to have a tree right next to you so you could climb it after firing as the smoke hid the pig and you couldn't see if you killed it or it was still coming .
As a young man in the 70's I remember that Trapdoor Springfields were in abundance and cheep, had one myself even shot original 1880's ammo in it and now my son has it. Your video brought back a lot of memories of how to break it down to clean it. I am going to tell him to watch this and learn from the Master. Glad you are getting well.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this guy is an absolute wizard of gun restoration. Excellent work
I love your humor so much! Give a private 3 ball bearings and in 10 minutes he will have lost one, broke the other, and somehow managed to get the third one pregnant 🤣
I just gotta tell you that this video is the greatest tool ever showing how to do all the care and preservation on a Springfield Trapdoor. After watching your video, a half dozen times, and acquiring the necessary tools, books, parts, and such, I turned my 1873 Trapdoor into one heck of a nice rifle. You deserve a huge payment for putting out such a complete video. I'd send a pile of cash your way but alas I spent every dime of mine on buying the necessary tools, books, parts, and such. Heck if you weren't so dang ugly, I'd marry you. Your videos should be archived for all eternity. I am now a self-proclaimed master of Trapdoor Care and Maintenance, and I couldn't have done it without you. Send me an 8X10 glossy of your handsome mug shot and I'll proudly display it in my workshop.
Available camera optics unable to capture my image without hosing up the camera. Good job though, your story is exactly why I do this. OUTSTANDING
This is the best video on cleaning a Trapdoor while preserving the history that I’ve ever seen! When I clean mine up you can bet I’ll be playing and stopping the clip when needed! Thanks
That "bundle of soda straws" for wood analogy was a good one. If you fill them with oil, they don't fill with moisture and fungus.
Hey Mark, So, I broke my 1873 down to its lowest common denominators. Extractor spring and plunger somehow are fused together. Firing pin tip worn down to a nubbin, and 5 screws beyond the tiny ball peen restoration. Well $85 in new old parts later the rifle is mechanically back up to snuff. Not to mention the extra high front sight and new front sight pin so I can get the rifle shooting.1.5 inches high at 100 yards. The stock is ding steamed and sanded down to 400grit, and ready for stain, sealer, and true oil. The metal is close to being prepped for bluing. I'm making the rain gutter device for boiling and steaming. The moral is looks can be very deceiving and if you are not prepared to go all out and do the job right then leave it alone. When I die, I'll be willing all my new gun smithing tools and equipment, used on only one rifle, to Bruno. I am sure he will love the highly polished baby ball peen hammer.
Right on man, was this a retirement need a hobby kind of deal or something?
@@bizzlebazzle4390 I have been retired long enough to complete all of my Honey Do lists and decided to put away my 7MM-08 and get an original Springfield 45/70 Government to hunt deer with. It's tough to find a Springfield in decent condition that doesn't cost a fortune. It's tough to find a Springfield in poor condition that doesn't cost a fortune. I'll have a dandy shooter when I'm finished refurbishing the old boy. My next rebuild is going to be a combination 20 megaton nuclear warhead/riding mower. Ha, Ha, Ha.
Maybe the best gunsmith on UA-cam?
Not maybe.
100% best gunsmith on YT.
is there any other channel like it? I've seen restoration channels but no proper gunsmithing
"Luck is when skill and preparedness meet opportunity".
Mark don't know if you will read this. BUT sorry about the pneumonia did you have the covid vaccine? Just curious I have found pneumonia and muscle aches can be side effects and I have had problems so thought I would ask if you had vaccine as well hope this message finds you well
No they are not. Please stop spreading disinformation designed to keep people from protecting themselves and others.
Old dying collectors equals, new opportunities for us not around "back in the day" to get a piece of history. and enjoy it, not lock it away, never understood that... 0~o
Thank you Mark for your wholesome,entertaining and relaxing channel. We dont get to play with guns in the Netherlands but i can enjoy it through your channel nonetheless.
Magnificent as always!
Thank you for everything!
This was a good one! The amazing tooling for making these guns can be seen restored at the American Precision Museum, Windsor, VT if you ever get a chance to visit. The stock is carved out in one pass; the machine is absolutely astounding to see.
I'll have to check that out.
Worth staying till the end!!
I can't believe this vid was an hour long. Now I have to do my '66 Allen.
"Smoke inhalation and third degree burns." Ahh Black Powder. :-)
Smokeless powder is a passssssing fad....
"Mung" is a word I haven't heard used since my dad passed.. "Angel piss" is a a new one I am keeping.. I love old guns, and am subscribing to learn...
That ending has me wondering if you were also hanging around a certain Canadian recently,
Mark I could set on a stool and watch you work for hours. Thank you for all the great videos. 👏👏
He slays me with his humour, excellent video, thanks for making.
There is no more satisfying feeling then watching a rusty piece of metal getting boiled, converted and then carded back into black gun metal. OUTSTANDING!
Thanks, Mark. Always a pleasure to watch a true professional at work. 1873 owner.
Great job. Mark you remind me of the people that I learned from as a much younger me. Basically really tough, opinionated, extremely knowledgeable people that had forgotten more than I will ever know. Sometimes angered me and made me want to smack them, mostly admired and felt privileged to be the one they expounded their knowledge on. Thanks very much for sharing and also bringing back those memories.
God Bless and get well.
Turning until it stops is a pretty good explanation.
Excellent video as ever Mark..
I have to say I tend to use a small brass hammer for "persuading" stuff rather than a polished steel one! My polished steel hammers mostly get used for pushing metal back to where it should be.. same with punches, unless I am hitting something that will be hidden, I tend to use a brass punch, at least to start stuff off. I have given up buying brass punches, I just have a length of of 3/8" brass/phospher bronze and turn them up as I need them..
Regarding shifting "blister rust", I have a couple of flattened .577/.450 Martini cases on my bench, one I use for scraping pins out of files and the other I use for scraping off blisters.. sometimes they get mixed up.. who cares..!
I hope Mark does a shop tour soon. I gotta understand why he has 4 lamps over his main desk at 21:15
You can never have to much light but easily often ignorantly not have enough.
After 45 eyes go down hill fast. At 52 I have a flashlight on me at all times to see what I'm working on.
Hope you are doing better. As always very informative. One of the few UA-cam channels worth a damn.
Beautiful Rifle. Not so pretty Gunsmith. Nice work there Mark! Fix Bayonettes and Charge.
Its HARD work being this ugly....
@@marknovak8255 Yet you do it so effortsly. 😁
There are no words to give enough thanks for your work. I have a treasured Trapdoor, I took it all apart when I was like 18..VERY carefully..I mean everything!!..I managed somehow..Applied flaxseed oil to the stock and gun oil to all the metal..I didn't damage anything! Applied neatsfoot oil to the one hook original leather sling...Later on I used Obenauf's....Has the short wrist...has a Buffington sight..."43" stamped on the right side of the butt stock and a very dim cartouche over the trigger guard on the left side.."N.J." stamped on the left side of the front of the block..US Model 1884 on the top of the front of the block...I was 18 in like 1975...Recently I got some reduced load smokeless cartridges with 405 grain lead bullets from Steinel...Had GREAT fun shooting the rifle! Rifle shot about 2 feet high at 100 yards...Don't know if this was a Bannerman, it has only a 2 position lock, but, passed down from family and so cool to shoot it!! THANKS for your love of these precious antique greatly loved rifles...
1:06:32 ''Keep calm and fix bayonets!''
MARK, With the parts, tools, books, and hours of work that it took to tear my 1873 Trapdoor completely down, replace faulty parts, all metal work and bluing, and stock refinishing, added a front sight and front sight cover and a leather sling, I cannot see how a gunsmith could make any money without charging a great big fat chunk of dollars. I wound up with one beautiful Infantry Rifle that will last at least another 149 years. Except for the sling, I kept the rifle all original parts wise at one heck of an additional premium. I didn't feel like paying $230 for an original sling so I paid $30 something for a knockoff that looks original. For me it was a labor of love and I have not one regret. A 45/70-405 for this coming deer season. I'm all excited. Thanks for this video I watched it a dozen times and it made all the positive difference.
Thanks, I really needed this. This is absolutely the very best video that I have seen on this subject, period! I have a !8786-1878 officers Cavalry carbine in 45-53 -405 and a Remington rolling block NYS 50-70 rifle. This helps a great deal with both. Thank yo much, Sir!
not going to lie, when you took apart that ejector assembly, that spring looked like a dead cockroach with all the gunk on it.
So, have you ever worked on a Springfield Trapdoor or other gun that was recently conserved by someone else that did good work except for the fact that 10% of all the work was left unfinished. Well guess what? That's not Ok! Now I get to conserve the Springfield as if it was never touched since it's armory life. Can't perform at this level? Leave it the heck alone. When it comes to working on firearms, there is no room for doing a half-assed job and possibly hurting or killing somebody. I have invested in the books, the right tools, the right equipment, and excellent formal mechanical/electrical maintenance education. I have watched this video of Mark Novak 30 times while taking notes to learn what I can from a master at his trade. Mark is not being funny when he says Don't Do That. It's priceless knowledge he is giving us.
@Hunt or Die It's great that parts for these old Springfields available at a lot of places, and that these Springfields are easy to tear down and put back together. I plan to buy a carbine model for my next action-packed adventure.
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Pneumonia? Thats no joke. Look after yourself, sir.
Thank you Mark and Bruno. Watching a master at work never gets old.
Another master class. Amazing.
It’s amazing how well some of these old weapons clean up.
dommage que je ne parle pas anglais il est super ce Monsieur est tres professionel Felicitation !!
I do not speak French, but Thank You for the complement.
Je suis d’accord. J’ai regardé toutes ses vidéos, et je pense et ça c’était le meilleure (I agree. I’ve watched all his videos, and I think this is the best one). Bravo, Mark!
Hi Mark! Can you pls tell me the name/model of the soft bristle wheel you used for most of the cleaning (lock plate/buttplate/screws/etc)? I’d like to purchase the exact same one. Thank you!
ua-cam.com/video/62_pKoYje9o/v-deo.html go here, thanks
@@marknovak8255 Do you think if the metal on an orig US Springfield is heavily frosted/browned with patina it would shine up like yours did? (assuming i'm using the same buffing wheel?)
@Scott Leaver if you boil to convert first, yes. The number of cycles through the process is more important than how long you take per cycle
@@marknovak8255 if it's steel, how do you touch it to your hand without destroying your hand?
Walking pneumonia, Creeping crud... 0~o Hope you're feeling better, like that 73 Springfield after its long overdue maintenance cycle... ^~^
I could watch his videos endlessly...I should have spent my formative years doing this instead of getting two pretty much useless degrees
That feeling when you have a minty milsurp that's patina'd all over, you boil it and as your carding the oxide off you discover beautiful blue under the wood and bare metal with scratches from bubba's file above. DAMNIT BUBBA!
"Give a private three ball bearings... "
I listened to that four times in a row and guffawed out loud each time! It's not just the words. It's the delivery!
Mark is a true genius on several levels.
Jak zwykle świetna robota! Pozdrawiam.
I have my late fathers Trapdoor collection,most of them bought in the 60's and 70's. 5 long rifles and one carbine .Keeping the carbine but open to selling the 5 long guns. Prices here in the South seem to be somewhat down.Going to the Louisville show this weekend.Might bring a few with me.I also have an original shipping crate for the Traps.Pretty hard to find as most became firewood after delivery of the guns.
Any luck selling them? I might be interested in buying one from you if they are listed anywhere
Would like to hear more about your collection
Thank you for finally revealing a non-destructive method of coping with crusty rust that's too thick to fully convert!
I love every last one of these. Well worth supporting on Patreon and I'm glad I do. Thanks.
I had an early 1884 Trapdoor, the transitional one with Buffington sight, but no ramrod bayonet. It had a really nice trigger pull, and I was surprised to find that it had a fly in the half cock notch, like you see on Hawkens etc. Looked like a factory modification. 🤷🏻♂️
Amazing video. I learned a lot about my rifle watching this. Is this in depth cleaning and maint something I can send my 1873 to you to get done?
I just rebuilt a 1884, had to reline the barrel too. Had a rusty but plate also. Great video as always, nice work.
Mark, impressed you properly used "umbra" in the correct context. Respect.
Quite the vocabulary collection in his videos.
Mark, are you no longer hardening the parts in Kerosene after the conversion process? Is just using the non detergent motor oil for the first oiling good enough?
I have a 2nd Allin Conversion. That thing is fuckin awesome. Shoots great.
It’s more likely to have been run by Lawrence of Alabama lol
Nah by his brother Darryll, or maybe his other brother Darryll....
@@at1cvb417 brother cousin Darryll? Or cousin brother Darryll?
Great video, trapdoor rifles are definitely a work of art!
Have you ever used Acraglas thinning agent to thin the gel to better fill cracks? Curious as the original has been out of stock for a while and I have plenty of gel.
Great video as always! Thank you for inviting me (and us all) into your shop. I am too old to apprentice, but I feel as if I missed my calling.
I really enjoy your careful, methodical approach to guns you’ve never seen before, guns for which there is limited (or no) documentation, guns where a mistake means an irreplaceable historical object has been damaged or destroyed. Honestly I don’t know how you do it but I respect the hell out of you for doing it anyway.
Sorry to hear you sounding so gravelly, hope you’re back to 100% ASAP. I really enjoy every video, looking forward to the next one.
So, I am prepping to do a full conversion on my 1873 Trapdoor. Before I think about beginning, I decided to roundup the correct tools for the job and breakdown schematics and the oils, chemicals, to clean up metal and or wood. Spare parts catalogues for just in case, and I'm watching this video for the umpteenth time to glean all the advice you offer. I even bought a baby ballpeen hammer with the polished head that I'll polish even more before I start. My trapdoor looks great on the outside, but where the metal meets the wood stock, I see ugly hiding. Thank You !!!!!
I have a 1884 that was still in Cosmoline when my Father got it he only fired 6 rounds of the original ammunition through it and of those rounds he'd drill a small hole in the bullet face put a few grains of powder and top it with a primmer making a exploding Bullet, He would shoot it on the 4th of July, it has never been outside it also came with a 1863 Watertown Arsenal Ammo Carrier totally enjoyed this episode with having that gun hanging on the Wall.
Mark at 50% is better than any other gunsmith at 100% feel better mark
So, my 1873 Trapdoor also has the unobtanium breech and firing Pin with spring. I replaced the firing pin with the with a solid shaft pin that does not have the recess for the spring. I assume the spring had the purpose to keep the firing pin away from the cartridge primer until the hammer is fully cocked and fired. I also assume the angle of the firing pin to the primer may have created a force that overwhelmed the steel of the firing pin and caused a failure or break where the pin was reduced in diameter for the spring. Someone back then may have decided to beef up the end of the firing pin and deciding to heck with the spring that kept the pin away primer until shot. My Springfield has the three clicks of the hammer so I can carry the rifle safely without an incidental firing due to the firing pin resting on the primer or the trapdoor being unable to open. Still, I tip toe when loading and firing the old boy.
Absolutely 💯 the best YT video ive seen, especially when im working on 4 of these! One is original, another converted to .45Colt, one in. 410, and finally a .45-70 PISTOL similar to 2 made for General Grant! I woodburned "BLACK POWDER ONLY " on the .45-70 ones for safety!
This challenging project is now possible due to this video! Thank you!
The butt plate on my Berthier Mle16 rifle looked similar, saved it by converting. Thanks for the great info and helping to save these beautiful pieces of history.
Hi Mark-
What wheel are you using to get the oxide off the parts? Before you went to the wire wheel
I periodically pull apart and clean and oil the components of my repro guns like this. But the wood around the lockplate on my original trapdoor appears almost swollen OVER the edges of the lockplate. How do you deal with THAT?
It could be over oil I think Midway has a video about dealing with over oil gunstock that’s old
@@connermorley2282 Thank you. Will check it out.
Looks like a tire chock for an aircraft.. 😂 There should be a book written of Markisms.. Glad you’re up running on all cylinders Sir. 🫡👏🏼
There is only one Mark !
Can I say that I carried a M2 with barrel in a thunderstorm and tornado warning during a training exercise. Only to find my tent had a river running through it. Getting my guards hit canceled then going to sling mud on my platoons tent. Lucky for me my brother a Marine said always water proof your gear and save the wet wipes and toilet paper. Best advice ever.
Mark A Cigar and a Whiskey would cure the cold ;)
Glad you are feeling better. Pneumonia is a real pain in the ass, the joys of getting older after a lifetime surrounded by VOCs and cigar smoke. But in my case there are no regrets.
Howdy Mark, I am getting ready to the same to my trapdoor that you did in this video. It's a Mfg. 1888 and it looks to have been taken care of fairly well over the years. Thanks to your tips and teachings in this video along with my unlimited time I expect to return this old rifle back into great condition. By the way for the tools and materials that I'll need, to do this job correctly, I'll have paid out over 300 clams. Ginger Brandy will fix up the last of your ailment. My grandmother says she drinks just a thimble full of Ginger Brandy for medicinal purposes as needed.
THANK YOU! This channel has been a huge wealth of information and this vid is another 5/5. I gave up trying to take the hammer off my Snider Enfield before I broke something. I tried asking or looking for a book but this stuff is all in old people's heads or 50 years out of print books.
I used a parallel clamp for the flat spring and managed to take the hammer screw out with a wooden jaw vise and some heat but I ended up blueing the hammer and plate together.
Hi Mark. Love your videos, each and every one. But! Can you give us a close up “fly-by” with the camera so that we can get a good look at the finished product? Sure would be satisfying. Thanks!
Would like to see a video of the complete breakdown of the M1 Garand, please
I am waiting for Mark to say... "This gun wasnt run by Laurence of... really?... well I guess it was run by Laurence of Arabia."
Mark, once again I thank you for sharing your genius.
That said, I only have one two part question. And you’ve likely covered this in another video but I haven’t a clue where to look or how many videos I’d have to go throughout to find it.
So, here goes, and hopefully you’ll see and answer this.
What kind of wheel is that you’re using on those parts and what, if anything, do you have on the wheel?
Thanks in advance.
Actually, I lied. I have one more question.
How long and at what temp do you boil the parts? Again, thanks much in advance.
P.S.
I’m not at the end of the video but I just had to stop it and say this. The firearm isn’t even all the way back together yet and that stock turn out gorgeous. I’m sure by the time I get to the end, the entire gun is!
It’s a “carding” wheel, brownells has them.
ua-cam.com/video/62_pKoYje9o/v-deo.html&ab_channel=MarkNovak go to minute 7:38 for the carding wheel info....
I never thought about removing and replacing the door while it was closed. I always done it with them open and fought them.
Ha, Love it Mark! Hey Mark, is Carbonia Blue something that can be done at home/shop?
Mark's surmizing.... Master Gunsmith sharing some wisdom, experience and common sense.
Mark, you and the crew put so much into these videos. Knowledge, technical insights, and fun! Thank you!
8:02 i wish they did that kinda crap more often
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but they save 0.30 cents by using the same size EVERYTHING
I'm so glad you brought up the firing pin spring. Most don't have one and the pin drags over the cartridge case upon closing and will eventually blunt or break the firing pin.
Nice work Mark. Looks like it was a mini-struggle getting through that one, so we appreciate the effort. Feel better, friend.
Great video, just a shame that you didn’t show upclose pictures of the finished product at the end
Pretty amazing that this gun was designed and created without CAD or computer, limited metallurgy, limited manufacturing methods and quality control, etc.
OMG, I love this! "If you don't hit it, make sure it dies of smoke inhalation and third degree burns!" Pure gold Mark!
I love the way you so very carefully kept all the various parts in the order in which you removed them and then just tossed them all into the basket willy nilly.
I use the Very Same electronics screwdriver for much the very Same, I'm IN!
It is nice seeing how you suggest the parts come loose. You do not take them out, you softly and politely ask them to stir themselves from their places. People think of tearing a gun down to repair it. As you said, you want to slip in, perform your magic and leave no tracks. It is beautiful artistry and craftsmanship. Thanks
Thank you. I just purchased a trap door and will be working on cleaning it up soon. Your video will help a lot.
Mark, have you ever heard of USN marked Springfield Trapdoors with painted barrels ?