Best Homemade pistol rated armor.
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2023
- I'm taking UHMWPE vs. Kevlar vs. Fiberglass to try and find the ultimate
pistol rated armor. One that works, not only to stop a bullet but protect the body. That is also lightweight, cost effective, and raw material availability.
30 seconds in and I learned a thing. Underrated channel.
Thank you for what you do 3R
Some materials I'd like to see tested;
1) leather
2) silica desiccant beads
3) BBs
4) small glass marbles
5) steel mesh window screen
6) paper
7) liquid latex
8) Flex Seal/Tape
9) rubber contact cement
10) kitchen sponges with the green scrubber side.
11) playground sand
12) pumice/lava stone gravel
Not necessarily all those things combined, but tested in different combinations to make either "soft" or hard body armor plates, with some of these materials being saturated/permeated with some of the liquids listed, perhaps with the aid of a vacuum chamber. Most of the materials I mentioned are affordable and/or readily available/accessible. Just some outside of the box ideas to consider.
u forgot garlic bread vs banana bread. also: boogers
It would be very interesting to see if some kind of rubber backing like a horse stall mat could mitigate backface deformation
They make blunt force trauma pads to go behind steel plates and they are pretty cheap.
Wholeheartedly agree. Gotta mitigate that impact. If I understand correctly, 44mm is considered deadly. So, how to fix this is the $20 question. Companies have not figured it out either.
Definitely reduce the impack of the bullet to the back side. Like a trauma pad.
Check out RXR protect from France. They have small airbag technology for armor to reduce impact force to the body
Good stuff. I think you hit it right on the head with the Kevlar. Its strength is in its flexibility. Putting it in a rigid matrix doesn't let it do its thing. It will still have structural strength, like in a boat hull, but loses all of its ability to transfer the energy under impact, shattering locally instead of moving that energy into the wider area.
what about a layer with no resin, just a sticked "Looser" layer that does "bend" and move" as kevlar should, sandwich that between layers of rigid fabric. ?
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Hey man just discovered you through my man at 1shot. Great channel you have here 👊💯
Great 👍 video 😮
Good job, how many layers of fiberglass
Interesting stuff! Does the cutting board material work better if it was heated and compressed? Just thinking of an option in case things can’t be ordered easily online
Nice
try one of the first, soft panels behind of the S glass, please.
I sit through the video, and in summary still not sure which one did the best... please tell us in order which did best...
i will recommend you to use the 4140 steel plates 5mm thick and also 30 layer thick fiberglass and 10 layer of aramid fiber resin pressed attach to the steel plate with the polystyrene resin and hardener. or any other liquid glues super glue or any other strong glues ok. always use the resin and hardener when you want to make bulletproof armors use the resin and hardener and fiberglass to make it more harden ok the resin press make the fiber stronger it can stop the rifles. if you use the 30 layers fiberglass resin pressed and also 4140 steel plate. or ar500 steel plate must be attach to the pressed fiberglass
Where do you buy your UHMWPE from?
What if you use your polyethylene fabric to make a trauma pad and place it behind your woven roving plate that you made previously. Could that slow a rifle round down enough to be caught by the light weight pad?
That’s a good idea. Definitely worth a try.
Precipitated calcium carbonate (repti-cal) suspended in a poly ethylene glycol matrix diluted with acetone and brushed on kevlar makes the best pistol/flak armor period.
Source? Video?
@@Steven-gv1ke search term "shear thickening fluid impregnated kevlar"
Can carbon/kavlar hybrid bullet proof
Great videos. Would you please make a video showing different methods of mitigating backface trauma. I am particularly interested if D30 plates would stop the trauma. This would have the advantage of maintaining flexibility with soft armour but possibly be better than traditional foam padding? ( I know nothing about guns as I’m from the UK so apologies if D30 ballistic padding already exists ).
Great idea. I have some previous tests working backface trauma but without maintaining flexibility. I’m thinking some kind of flexible polyurethane with a shore 85 hardness.
@@3RBallistics Thanks for the reply. Have you seen the D30 in action? It’s a non-Newtonian fluid which they have somehow encapsulated in a foam matrix. It’s possible to make something similar at home using PVA school glue and borax but not sure how to make it into a foam / solid like D30.
Seems to me, that stopping the round is only half the battle. The impact is deadly as hell, and I think that would be a slow, painful, death ☠️☠️☠️. How do you mitigate the impact?? Good video, just found the channel through 1shot. Good glass! Good video and great information. Thanks, subscribe.
Thank you. 1 Shot made a great video.
Yes, back face deformation can still be a killer. Mitigating deformation on impact seems only viable in hard armor plates. That’s why I like pressing UHMWPE or using Fiberglass with resin. Also, using good quality Kevlar with tight stitching will also help tremendously.
Yeah maybe for that you wouldn't want it to be completely rigid I wonder if there's a semi rigid thing they could add to it
Great video. So the end question is, which one do you consider best as the title states? Also, is there a hybrid of a couple different types of fabrics that may work best together?
Overall the easiest and strongest seems to be UHMWPE. It’s just hard to get in raw material. I’m working on a hybrids that may have the best of all 3 fabrics
@@3RBallistics @bretrogers7859 asks a valuable question there. Right after viewing your video for the first time, I readily subscribed. That's how interesting (read: educative) your vids are. A simple clear and organised summary /conclusion will elevate the quality of your vids to a whole next level. The rest is intersting enough to not be skipped anyway.
Keep 'em coming sir.
What is the best
Great video! How many layers of kevlar did the shooters cut have?
Where did you get it?
The soft shooters cut had 24 layers of two different aramid fabrics. UD Kevlar and Kevlar 29. I got the Kevlar from two different sources. The UD Kevlar I was able to purchase from eBay but the Kevlar 29 I had to purchase from ArmorCo.
Good job! Please, how many layers of C-fiberglaas and what was the distance of shooting?
50 layers of 5 oz fiberglass. We were 15 yards away.
What about Farday Fabric ? some of the high quality has unique weaves and layers.
I haven’t used any yet but I’ll look into it.
Ever thought about using tungsten plate, wrapped inside layers of Kevlar, impregnated into resin? Would seem to make a good hard plate.
I plan on some wild hybrids coming soon. I may have to throw this combination into that mix.
Complete newb here but could different types of clay be stronger than the commercially available type. A lot of ceramic shops have a bunch of different kinds and they can all be heated to different temps.
Yes, they can. I have had the opportunity to fire my own porcelain in a kiln. However, I haven’t found much ballistic difference using clays ranging from cone 6 through 10. However, there are so many different variables when firing clay that I’m sure there are advantages that I’m missing.
Was the S fiberglass easier to work with compared to the welding mat fiberglass?
Much, much easier to work with. I dislike working with the welding mat fiberglass the most.
Check out RXR protect from France. Airbag technology to reduce trauma behind the armor
Looks like very interesting stuff. That would be great to test against bullet energy transfer.
Just a question on distance; since most self defense shootings are within 7 to 10 yards, wouldn’t it make sense to shoot closer? Great video, and thanks for sharing your journey.
Yes it would. I shoot at 15 yard’s because surprisingly enough I still get random fragments coming back at me. I’ve recently changed some of the testing to 10 yards and it seems about the same so I’ll probably keep it there for future videos. Thanks for the input.
Have you tried "Honeycomb" layers with soft cell, to dispur energy?
That’s a great suggestion. I haven’t tried it but I may in the future.
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What kind of fiberglass is that? Is it available online? How do you work with it? - cutting and any resin or anything? Or is it a panel you can get?
@@mrj9951 the fibeglass used is 18oz woven roving E-glass. It’s actually quite easy to find.
I tape the edges and cut with serrated scissors (keeps the fiberglass from fraying). After that I use total boat brand epoxy resins (slow cure) and press the plate with clamps when I’m done.
@@3RBallistics super neat material ..I must look this up. I've been studying for the best material. That seems very strong. E glass. Is it fairly affordable?
How many layers of e glass did you use on the plate shown?@@3RBallistics
Where are you sourcing your fabric
Many different places. Most fiberglass is from either TAP or Composite envisions. You can also get Kevlar there. I also use eBay and or Skarr Armor for UHMPE. You can also find better deals if you are looking for bulk in any of those items.
Could ballistic nylon be used in place of fiberglass for a fiberglass resin pressed armour plate? Or how about denim?
Both can be used. However you’d have to use much more material to stop the same projectile which might be counterproductive
@@3RBallistics have you ever tried it? How many layers of ballistic nylon do you estimate a person would need to make a ballistic plate, using resin? I ask because I am not able to test these plates myself. I could make them, but not test them
@@DamianPendragon I have tried ballistic nylon and resin but it took 2 inches to stop a 9mm. Denim is weaker so I feel it wouldn’t even do as well as the nylon. However, I’ve never actually tried it.
@@3RBallistics thank for telling me. I really appreciate it. Fiberglass is just too hazardous for me to work with. I don't have a place I am willing to fil with fiberglass fibers. If I do it in my house, I'm worried I won't know how to clean it up well enough. If I do it outside, I'm worried my pets will get it on their feet and lick it off or something. So ballistic nylon is the next best choice for me
@@3RBallistics what if ballistic nylon is used in conjunction with an aluminum plate? Just a regular piece, like from an aluminum sign, on the bottom and top. Would it make it possible to make it thinner than 2"?
Why not implement 12”x12” ceramic tiles into the plates, and even add a layer of polyethylene plastic to prevent the projectiles from fragmenting and spalling?
Mostly weight. There is not need when only stopping pistol rounds. Tiles usually add about 5 pounds by themselves. These plates are closer to 1 pound so it seems counterproductive to add 5 times the weight.
@@3RBallistics ok. It’s your broken ribs and a possible punctured lung.
@@user-sb9fw6ui2i understandable. It is however the way commercially available pistol rated plates are made. Nearly all security and police officers wear these plates. Makes you wonder…
@@3RBallistics I’ll take the extra weight. With the 62gr M855 rounds, they’ll blaze right through your plates, front and rear, like a hot knife through butter. With the firearms that people are carrying, sidearms are a secondary weapon. Just be thoughtful of the plates you carry, it could prove to be a fatal mistake. I’m not criticizing you for your idea, it’s a great idea, but just put some thought into your plans. Especially when people who cast their own bullets, could be casting pure zinc bullets.
@@user-sb9fw6ui2i I understand. I have other plates and videos showing how to make and stop m855 and even up to M2AP rounds. This video was just to show what it takes to make a level 3A rated (pistol) plate.
How many layers of each? What is the weight of the tested item? Thank for testing.
UHMWPE soft plate was 24 layers and 11 ounces. UHMWPE hard plate was 30 layers and 1 pound 3 ounces. Kevlar 29 soft plate was 20 layers and 13 ounces (smallest dimensionally of all of the plates). Woven Kevlar hard plate was 25 layers and 1 pound 6 ounces. S-type fiberglass was 52 layers and 1 pound 10 ounce.
@@3RBallistics what was the density (gsm) of the aramid used in the 25 layers hard resin plate?
@@gamecubekingdevon3 it was only 185gsm or about 5.5 oz
@@3RBallistics ok!
Good video, alot of information there what about the gsm on the uhmwpe?
Heating UHMWPE can degrade its strength, try to glue it with resin. But I don't know what resin will get a good bond to it, that a topic to resea😢
True, unless you keep the heat below 350*f (175*C). Resin is unlikely to stick to a slippery material like PE. However, Resin (like polyurea) has been better at encapsulating the UHMWPE.
I use T88 for the chemical bond. you have to remove the plastic cover sheets on both sides of the UHMWPE or your project will fail.
curious about the heating and pressing process you use
T88 has very poor bond to polyethylene. It states this on their own website.
how much layers was the S2 fiberglass plate?
It was 55 layers
@@3RBallistics ok! so, 55 layers of 5oz (141 gsm?) ?
@@gamecubekingdevon3 5.6 oz 190gsm
thx!@@3RBallistics
Have you tried silk?
Yes, I’ve tried silk but it doesn’t work. I tried everything from inexpensive silk pillowcases to expensive tightly woven premium silk. Neither worked within reason. It took over 2” of premium silk ($280) 6x6” to stop a simple 9mm HP
@TacShooter actually found a demo ranch video showing the same idea. The big difference is probably quality of silk I used and also I sewed 5 layers at a time then taped them together
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