Solar inverter idle consumption! You need to know this.
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- I test my solar inverters idle power consumption in this episode as it's been a popular request. This is an important number to know when you go to build out your system.
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Interesting. The thought never occurred to me that they would use power while idle with no load. I knew the batteries would eventually bleed off somewhat while not charging though. You just enlightened this old lady LOL Thanks👍
Thank you for watching, glad it was helpful.
YOur attention to detail is the best. YOu explain in language the average person can easily understand.
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Thanks for another informative video. At this point I'm still sticking with a total DIY solution, but I'm still watching and learning.
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I think excluding Solar means idle efficiency is higher. With Solar being throttled as there would be no load means you get to see gross idle consumption.
Great video. Good look at an issue I have been concerned with. I was hoping one of your supporters would chime in with a solution, but I will suggest one and hope someone smarter than me will comment. My stand alone Giandel indicates about 12 watts standby on a meter. Can I use one of these all in one's which manage AC and Solar charging, turn off the inverter and use my Giandel? It's simpler than building a hybrid system from pieces like Victron..... or is that a bad idea?
Thank you for the information Andrew.
Thank you for watching
Andrew thanks for the video I got a similar Inverter but I don't think an for Off Grid Application it's far to do 24h test you should have done night test your panels will offset the idle consumption during the day
Correct, but I just wanted to pull some data, that's why I gave a per hour usage average. But keep in mind that in my situation I'm still having one sit idle during the day and it's using power. Thus one panel is dedicated to keeping it running and not charging batteries or running a shop load. It's something to factor into your design.
From what I understand, if you're going to "park" an LiFePO4 it should be at ~80% in order to prolong battery life. Charging to 100% apparently degrades the batteries and shortens the cell life, so sitting idle in that condition is compounding the problem. Many folks I know that use them for the house loads on their boat have their charge controllers set to top them up to only 80% from the panels and that is, in their minds, "fully charged." YMMV :)
I do the same on the bottom end, 20 percent I have the inverters cut off to prolong life. I got lucky, I put mine to sleep around 75 percent. It's only going to be for a fee weeks while I run other tests.
Hi, Andrew! Thanks for this video. See you later today!!
See you soon
Wow, you are so close to hitting the magic number! Tell Tiffany to get busy making the appointment for your mani/pedi!😅😅😅 At the rate you are going you may hit it by the end of the month!!!😊
I think middle to end of next week, we got it! Exciting!
I thought it would have been around 70 so that’s great I can’t wait to see what’s next
I'm for sure happy with it being in the 50s.
Good day all.
What am trying to say only worry about idle consumption at night when only the battery bank is supplying power not during the day when your panels are connected
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Great video. Love the content. 🤠
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Interesting video Andrew. 👍👍❤️❤️🇨🇦
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when they work and produce 100 kwh / day... what would be their daily consumption?
So close to the 100K subs!
So excited!
I know this video is a few days old, but was wondering if you have reached out to zendure about their super base backup battery? I'd be very interested in that review.
We talked once and they had odd terms for the review, so I declined. I was highly interested in a 240v all in one unit.
Thank you for trying. I'm very interested in the unit but very few reviewers are as thorough as you. Again, Ty!
Hey, they actually emailed me again yesterday! Talk about perfect timing, I'm talking with them about getting one in to test. Stand by!
Waiting for the party:)))
Me too
I thought you were using the EcoFlow Batteries?
Not for my on the wall system. I have that in my home for emergency power.
@@TKCL Just curious, how many watts were you able to get with your solar panels going to the ecoflow, considering that you can only have a maximum of 150 volts and 15 amps going to each unit? I have 2 ecoflow delta pros hooked together, and was wondering if I could at least get 1000 watts of power from the panels without exceeding the voltage and amperage?
I can easily get 1200+ watts before getting to close to the 150 volt limit.
What the electric bill cost? Are you still paying bills or nothing at all
Last month was $13 for actual electricity usage, sadly we get a lot of fees on top of that. I'm working towards pulling the meter and being completely off grid with no bill at the shop.
@@TKCL next plans are on the house right?
Not in the near future, I'd have to have a substantial system to take the shop and house offline.
I am a bit surprised that the idle usage was so high...basically losing 25% in a single day...so after 4 days your batteries would be dead...that seems like a lot of loss.
I agree with you; this was very enlightening to learn about. Definitely a stat that I will be paying attention to during the design phase to be able to try and offset.
That's actually a good number if you read average idle consumption on the internet of most over seas inverters. Simply bringing to light a little known fact to most. A small panel or two extra offsets the usage of these in idle mode. It's the cost of doing business so to speak. The loss is even higher when heavily converting panels to DC charging and then back from DC to AC through the inverter. Nothing runs for free, you should account for this in your system design.
Wait, "half of this I paid for myself"? What's the link in the comments to get myself a 50% discount?
You start a UA-cam channel, work for free for several years. Spend a few thousand dollars on editing and recording equipment, keep working for free while building your channel and eventually when you gain enough subscribers, companies might offer you discounts or products for a review. See, it's easy 🙄
I tested some of this equipment a while back and made a review. It was given to me to test. I liked it enough I spent a few thousand of my own money to double my system.
Not an accurate measurement because your resting voltage dropped over the 24 hour period. You can't uses amp hours to calculate . Use a clamp meter on the DC line. Amps used x Exact Voltage at measured time= watts consumed. 57 watts would be better idle consumption than some of the best $4000 inverters on the market. Most of the Chinese inverters have measured at ~135 watts at idle.
What about the fact that I used the percentage of the battery? Doesn't it calculate dropping voltage and amp capacity? I didn't use Ah to calculate,, I used the calculation it gave me for percent used.
I do have a Clamp on meter, now you have my wheels turning.
@@TKCL Yes but LiFePO4 battery discharge curve is very flat in voltage ie the cells stay at 3.2 volts for ~65% of that curve. You bms state of charge % is only mildly accurate at best throughout that area of discharging curve. Only way for accurate measurement is with clamp ct meter or a calibrated shunt measurement . V x A= w
Why didn`t you just measure idle consumpsions from batteries ?
Because I wasn't sure how much additional draw there could be over a long time from fans kicking off and on for cooling.
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You must have an electrical background
None, but I do enjoy electrical.
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Been with you since the Arms shout out. I think it was around 5k. Hell of a ride, so proud of all the hard work. All the other big channels have launched a Mrs. **** channel. Maybe time for Tiffany to stay home.
Not yet, the money isn't there, especially with Facebook paying us nothing. Most channels have multiple revenue streams. Eventually we for sure plan to get her home. It's my biggest focus this year.
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