Walmart Oil Filter Cut Open White ST6607 vs. Walmart Blue Supertech ST6607 Oil Filter Review
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Is there a difference between Walmarts blue and white Supertech oil filters? Let's open them up and see!
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MY QUESTION IS THIS , WHY DO THEY MAKE A ST12060 AND A ST10060 IF IT'S BASICALLY IDENTICAL ? IS THERE A DIFFERENCE OTHER THAN THE NUMBER ? IF SO , I CAN'T FIND IT .
Good question? I have no idea either?
I've done a video on both and really no difference in specs.
I'll pin your question so that it sits on top, maybe someone has an answer.
I think there is a difference in the bypass valve rating between the two filters, and the 10060 opens up faster. In other words, there is a difference in the pressure at which the bypass valve starts to open, even though there is no outside difference in the filter size/fit. You obviously want as much oil pressure ASAP when the engine starts up, and you also want to go into bypass mode if the filter starts to clog up to keep the oil pressure up. But, if the bypass valve rating is too low, it may open up too often, bypassing the useful filter media. Back in 2019 Fram came out with a TSB clarifying that some GM vehicles need the 10060, while others need the 12060. In other words, the two filters are NOT interchangeable. To be safe, use the filter that was designed for your vehicle, not just one that fits.
I'm sure some filters are better than others. But one should change their oil at proper intervals anyway. I'm going to change my daughter's oil in her Honda Odyssey today,and I have the white filter to put on. I would've bought a little better of a filter,but her oil gets changed regularly by me. And money is really tight,so this supertech filter is going to have to do for now. What kind of oil does everybody use here? Walmart was out of the Mobil brand oil,so I bought Valvoline High mileage oil for her van. Someone once told me they don't mix oil brands,since they have differing detergents and additives can make the oil foam up inside the engine. I've never heard of such crap.
some asshole companies just flood items with the exact same item but different names. They make product for extended life. product for extreme performance. product red. produce blue. product high mileage. product high durability. product extreme. product racer. product 10,000 miles, products 20,000 miles. products 30,000 miles. product european. product japanese. etc.
Any oil filter on a engine that is neglected is a bad oil filter. I think they are all good when you take care of your vehicle.
I buy 6-7 of these filters at the time I use these guys they are great filters specially for the money.
Thanks for sharing👍
Thanks for exposing the truth. The world needs more people like you. Again, thank you.
Thank You!👍
Glad you liked the video😊
I used to love buying the GM truck filter for my old Corvette cuz the truck filter was twice as size in length. This was pre internet so I don't know what they were like inside but you're better off with the larger filter with more filter media.
The 6607 has a small actual filtering surface inside of it., I used to buy the supertech MP7317 which has the same threaded boss but a little more filter surface though its 2 dollars more. Now using the purolator gold. Its got more and better filter material inside it than either ST Product. A shame these filter companys make this little crap considering how important it is to have plenty of clean filtered oil. The purolator Gold and SuperTech MP7317 both cost around $6.00 Ill buy the Purolator!
I change my oil and filter every 3000 miles always so I usually just get the cheapest filter, which happens to be these. Can't be that bad right?
These filters are fine for 3,000-mile oil change intervals.
I'm months late to watch this video, and all of the "white cans" are out of stock in three Walmarts. Keep up the good work.
I know what you mean, I was at my local Walmart today and wanted to pick up some MMO while I was there but they were out of it.
Thanks for sharing!
@@WhipCityWrencher they stopped selling the 1 gallon jug of mmo at my nearest Walmart 😭
Referring back to one of your other videos where you compared an ACDelco and an ST Filter, I believe they both are made by Champ Labs. Can't go wrong with either of them
well for $2.97 it is pretty hard to beat, looks like Champ Lab's quality has improved. why the hell they don't sell those in Canada?
I wonder why? Well that sucks, some of the filters with the metal end caps are a pretty good buy.
Yes, Just Wix here, but at least our supertech oil is cheaper
Can Walmart ship these filters to you? Just order other stuff you need from Walmart to qualify for free shipping, & throw a couple Supertech filters on the order.
@@cyoungso No Frams either? At our Walmarts, the entire back wall is full of Frams, with a handful of AC Delcos, Supertechs, Motorcrafts, & Mobil 1s.
@@justinstandifer604 yes lots of frams
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Best information says new white paint can ST (topic made 5/21) replaced previous blue can color ST when Super Tech introduced the 20k mi MP series filter with "blue" color can. As you note, other than paint, ST the same. Obviously WM wanted 'a very easy way' to differentiate the two filters, white(ST) vs blue(MP). One reason, filter swapping in boxes has been known to happen at WM by low lifes. Can color would make it easy to identify, though I doubt most WM employees would know this. Imo, only difference between topic ST and MP series is blue silicone adbv added to MP series. I'd say both ST and MP seem worth the cost. Thanks for comparison.
You're Welcome!😊
I agree the silicone anti-drain back valve is the only real difference.
Thanks for your feedback.👍
@@WhipCityWrencher No problem WCW. I enjoy your filter dissections, very illuminating.
Excellent comparison! I enjoyed watching..👍
Thanks, Mike,
glad you liked the video.👍😊
I use supertech oil filter sometimes and supertech synthetic 5w20.💯👍
I'm curious to know if the filter media between the two filters that you reviewed have different characteristics for total dirt capacity and particle size trapping ability, but I don't have any simple ideas for testing it. Can anybody out there think of a simple way to better characterize the filter media without having a well equipped laboratory? Burn it slowly with a torch, and see how it melts, to see if it is mostly plastic? Simply measuring its width with a micrometer doesn't seem like a complete test.
As a side note, those specific 6607 filters that you cut open fit on most every Nissan out there, even the big V-8 Titans. I've always found it strange that the big Titans use the same dinky filter as the much smaller Nissan Sentra four cylinder engines. I'm sure that helps Nissan reduce unique parts for their warehouses, but at what cost? Toyota, GM, and Chrysler definitely use oil filters of various sizes to match different engine sizes, but not Nissan. But WHY??? Perhaps the filter media in those 6607 oil filters is overkill for the little Sentras, and barely marginal for the V8 Titans? That would be my guess.
Don't underestimate the complex characteristics of the filter media. There is likely a whole lot more to it than just the width. It's my understanding that the cheap cellulose filters trap smaller particles, but have to be changed more often than the more expensive synthetic filters, which don't trap the smaller particles as well, but supposedly hold more total grime. I'm guessing that one of those 6607 oil filters can last a lot longer in a small Sentra than it does in a big Titan, and if I'm right that suggests there is a lot of variance in the useful life of these filters, depending on what vehicle they are installed. So, it is not so easy to say that one filter lasts 10,000 miles, and another lasts 20,000 miles, because it all depends on the specific vehicle they are installed, the type of driving you do, type of oil used, and the filtration ability that you desire. If you're the type of person who only wants to change his oil once a year, and doesn't care about filtration ability, then by all means use one of the expensive synthetic filters. (and keep your oil topped off between changes!)
In other words, you can't really say that the two filters in your video are identical unless you can better characterize the filter media flow rate and particle trapping ability.
Regardless of what filter you use, it seems to me that a magnetic drain plug is also a good idea, because it can trap tiny metal particles that may be too small for any filter to catch.
If you want an idea for a new video, you could discuss engine oil life, as displayed by the car's computer. A lot of people don't understand that. They think that the engine oil life is the same thing as the engine oil level, and it's not. (BMW is one of the few cars I've seen out there that tells you what the actual oil LEVEL is) Many of the newer cars have looser fitting piston rings to improve MPG, which causes them to consume more oil per mile. A lot of newer cars also have larger crankcase capacities to compensate for the extra oil consumption, which raises the cost of an oil change. For example, most of the newer GM V8's use 8 quarts, whereas they used to only use 6 quarts.
The new arrival of 0W16 oils is also worth discussing. Surely the oil filter media behaves differently with the newer 0W16 than it does with the old classic 5W30. I wonder how the thinner oils impact oil filter life and filtration ability? I never gave it much thought before, but it's probably an important topic. I would assume the thinner oils don't protect the engine as well, and produce more wear particles, which ultimately reduces the useful life of the oil filter? Whatever the case, it seems ridiculous for any oil filter manufacture to claim that one filter can last 10,000 miles, while another can last 20,000 miles. There are just too many variables involved to make such a claim!
Keep up with the good thought provoking videos....
Sorry, I dont have the answers to your questions. I can only open them up and show what's inside. I dont have the necessary equipment to do such tests.
My frointer actually calls for the 7317 for fram.. Suppertech through me off with the 6607 , I was a bit confused about the smaller size.. My last oil change on the frontier I used supertech ST9688. It worked out fine. It's wider than the 7317, but but not as tall. They all have 20mmx1.5mm threads. I liked the Now that supertech has the MP7317 likey just use that .
@@minguss2 You can use whatever filter you want, but if you go to a professional oil change place, to be practical they have a limited selection of filters. I don't remember what the exact numbers are, but having something like 15 different filters on hand covers about 95% of the domestic and Asian cars. In other words, there may be bigger and better filters that fit on your Frontier, but there is a good chance you're not going to get one if you get a professional oil change.
You also have to be careful about the tension of the bypass valve and drainback valves inside the filter. Sometimes one of the numbers is stamped inside. Buy a name brand filter and follow the oil filter manufacture's recommendations. A given filter may fit on your vehicle just fine, but if it starts to get clogged up, at what pressure will the bypass valve start to open? And how much oil pressure is lost due to the drainback valve? You have to be careful, because a good fit isn't everything. Some of these new Toyotas have electronically controlled oil pumps to help compensate for different oil filter flow characteristics, but most cars on the road these days don't - they just run flat out. Also consider that the viscosity of the oil can increase between oil changes, so a little filter that works just fine at the manufacture's initial target velocity may begin to have trouble passing oil if you wait too long to get an oil change. To further complicate the situation, not all oil labeled with the same viscosity rating really has the same viscosity. For example, 5W20 oil is really a small range of possible viscosities. High mileage 5W20 is going to be a little thicker than 5W20 synthetic, to help protect a worn engine better. But, the slightly increased viscosity within the 5W20 range is going to slightly reduced gas mileage and slightly reduce available oil pressure. (because thicker oil requires more effort from the oil pump to squeeze through the oil filter.) None of this matters much to the typical car owner though, as long as the oil is changed frequently, and you use a good filter and the recommended oil. In my opinion, Nissan wouldn't be using those dinky little oil filters on their big truck engines if it wasn't safe. I am sure they have carefully evaluated the use of small filters, and determined that the cost and benefits of using the same little filter across their product line outweighs the downside of using little filters on big trucks. Customers are very cost sensitive when they are buying a new vehicle. The auto market is very competitive, and every nickel saved to build a new vehicle increases marketability and profit.
Maybe blue paint got to be more expensive compared to white paint.
Thank you! Great comparison.
Agree they are the same filter...and essentially it's a champ filter.
For $3, great for 5000 miles, but not run it much further.
Yep,👍
Different media in the white filter
Filters generally don’t get that dirty. The only reason to change them is to get all the oil out.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q Maybe on a new,, cleaner engine. But on older engines like mine, there is definitely some visible build up in them. And engines like some we didn't know about thier previous maintenance regiment. And then used MARVEL Mystery Oil for a safe clean out, a couple of those filters were packed with crud and weighed a ton...But you're correct, a clean engine shouldn't have much actual dirt in the filter in it, if run too good and hot temps, and not just a short trip Grocery Getter!......Thanx ;Jethro
So...why paint one White & Blue?..if it's the same as Blue?...🤪
You spend 2 more dollars so you can have a blue color
The current blue filter is a Champ Labs product. The 'older' white filters from a few years ago were made by Wix. The white unit shown here, is apparently a Champ Labs. Why the color change? Any bodies guess.
Yep,
I just opened up this white one to show there's no difference between the two champ-made oil filters.
Thanks for sharing👍🙌😊
So the white one is the new Champ Labs filter. Just a change of color right? Not Wix
Thx for the video, I know these are as good as the K&N since your other video's Gotta change my oil on my Sentra... been 10k miles already... 🤦♂️
$3.40 now. The white cans are newer inventory
“Cost of blue paint went up 10%, what do we do?” “What’s the cheapest cost paint we have?” “White”. “Then paint the f**kers white”.
Sometimes it is just that simple.
I have to admit their manufacturing is very consistent. Weights match pretty close
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Some of the new white can filters are made by Fram. I just got a ST2 white can filter that is very different from the older blue Champion made filter. I believe it is a Fram tough guard though with a rubber rather than silicone anti drain back valve. I did not check the new 20,000 mile blue box filters though.
Yeah, the 20,000-mile oil filters have a silicone anti-drain back valve.
I'm going to see if my Walmart carries the 3 different ST2 versions next time I'm there. Maybe if they do I'll make a comparison video.
Thanks for watching and your feedback.👍😊
I bought two 10000 mile ones and they had the felt ends like the cheap fram. Get what you pay for I guess. Sticking with K&N from now on. Plus the cheap walmart ones don't have a bypass valve.
The MP versions are a better oil filter IMHO.
I can't even find them for my applications so will go with K&N or wix or puralator
@@WhipCityWrencher
Thanks for putting out in gram’s as well . US/SWE Citizen
You're Welcome!
Yes, all the newer videos have grams as well as ounces.
Thanks for watching and your feedback🙌
Those super tech oil filters are identical to the K&N performance series oil filter without the silicone anti drain valve.
Even the inner housing is plastic with the same structure. Identical design, structure, and holes. Must be made from the same manufacturer.
I think they are.
Thanks for your feedback👍
Let's have these two duke it out!
lol 🤣
I've been running the supertech filters for 3 oil changes so far ain't had a problem yet.
Thanks for sharing👍
Such cute little filters. Look like they should be on a riding lawn mower they are so small.
Lol they fit on my 3.5 L V6 💀😭
Good show as always.
Thank You!😊
Hey can you compare the ST6607 vs the Fram 7317? Walmart doesn’t have a super tech 7317 so I have to use 6607 for my Honda. It looks smaller than the 7317.
I just did a Fram Ultra XG7317 ua-cam.com/video/5ue0HTU60fU/v-deo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
The white filter has a synthetic blend media and the blue is just a cellulose media!
Where did you get that information?
@@WhipCityWrencher that's what champion has been using for yrs. I've been studying oil filters for about 20 years
@@bigdaddymak1439 Well well.... We have a "phD" here in oil filter-ology. Haha . Truth is that an individual MUST work at a facility to know EXACTLY what a manufacturer uses. Also, any and all manufacturers can and do change materials and designs at any time and for any reason. So, what you think you know could be far from the truth.
Looks like K&N dropped a new line of oil filters - the Select (SO). Synthetic blend media, 99% efficiency at greater than 30 microns... for $9.99. For that price, I'd choose supertech. K&N is overrated IMO.
Thanks for your feedback👍😊
Whats the difference in the mp6607 amd the st6607 noticed recently when picking up an oil change for our 18' altima ones white and one was blue and one was rated for more miles than the other 🤷♂️ one was i think 2.97 amd other was 5
The MP version is rated for 20,000 miles and has a Silicone anti-drain back valve so if your oil filter is mounted horizontally that would be the one to get. Some have metal endcaps others have felt endcaps, depending on your filter size.
Thanks for watching!👍
if only the st brand was consistent in the quality,i really woudnt be switching.the filters in this video look wonderful.its hit or miss im afraid.
Thanks for watching and your feedback👍😊
I like the plastic core on these oil filters, they should give the most oil flow
Thanks Whip my Blackstone report is in using ST oil and filter. I can email it to you.
Hi Clyde,
Could you mail me the oil filter or did you throw it away? Would make for a better video, if not that's okay. Here's my email it's Pokerme007@gmail.com
Hey Very nice Would like to see your review after looking at Blackstone report.
Sorry, Clyde
I messed up on my email hopefully this one will be the correct one lol .😊
Poker4me007@gmail.com
Still feels like bait n switch. When they first came out they had features thar the high end filters had when they knew people would be cutting them apart and critiquing them then bam its the ocod painted blue
If you're talking about the older white ones they were made by Wix. These new white ones and the blue ones are made by Champ labs.
Im talking about opening a blue one with steel center tube and end caps and opening another blue one with plastic center tube and fiber or plastic end caps.
Thanks bro I appreciate the video! I actually saw the link on Bob Is The Oil Guy. I was getting the more expensive blue filters but this video convinced me just to get the regular white filters. I've been a fan of SuperTech filters for a while! 👍
You're Welcome👍
At 4$ for a Motorcraft filter, I change them every 3 or 4000 miles and the oil at 8000. 2 filters for one oil change seems perfectly prudent.
I do the same thing and have since 1979 on my 383 Road Runner. The filter is never very dirty, and you get a little bit of new oil and additives. Cheap insurance.
I think you're wasting your money. But, it's your money.
Hey friend watching now in. 2023 👍 I’m a little behind full watch 👍
Thanks, missy👍
Did I miss something? You showed an extra layer of filter material wrapped around the pleated inner filter on only one of these. How are they considered identical without ever mentioning that extra layer? I kept going back to that section repeatedly and can't find any comment which addresses this apparent difference between the two. Thanks!
PS. I used to use the more expensive Fram filters from Walmart but noticed slight rust beginning to form on the steel base plates on random samples right in the store several years ago. Has anyone else ever noticed rusting on other filters from Walmart or any other sellers ? Because of this I switched back to the super tech brand which appeared to be of reasonably good quality and are no doubt made by one of the major name brand filter manufacturers anyway.
That wasn't extra media on the filter, the blue filter had been opened in a past video and I was just comparing the two. 0:57 in the video.
Fine for normal use.
I'm confused they have a different drain back valve and a different filter media,how are they the same filter?
Anti-drain-back valve and filter media are the same on both of these filters.
@@WhipCityWrencher yeah my bad I thought the blue one was the 20,000 mile filter.
Does it matter that this SuperTech is smaller than the MicroGard Select?
No, not really, but if you want a bigger oil filter the Supertech 7317 is a little bigger and fits on the same vehicles as these 6607 oil filters.
I just picked up a blue Supertech MP6607 which is for synthetic oil and 20,000 miles. I checked Walmart's website and it says "looks like this doesn't fit your car" However the ST6607 does! What? I also found a Castrol CAS66607 20,000 mile synthetic oil filter that fits my car. What gives? I'm confused. I usually use a Purolator PL14459, which has a wider can, but the gaskets match up.
Don't go by their website, I noticed that sometimes it's off. And if you use a 6607 and you have the space you can go a larger 7317 oil filter.
@@WhipCityWrencher Thank you!
@@drewv1785 Your Welcome!
Please don't change your oil at 20k miles do it at 5k
Toyota all the way at half the price
Love the videos keep it up
Thanks! Will do!👍🙌😊
Thank you! Almost the same of Champ 2867 I bought from Rockauto last week. Only difference is Champ 2867 is 174 grams.
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Thanks for watching and your feedback👍😊
The darker media is a synthetic blend media. The lighter ones are just cellulose. Synthetic blend filters longer than cellulose
How did you find that out?
@@johnnellis3025 from other champion Lab filter. They use mostly the same materials in all their filters just a few variations
@@bigdaddymak1439 Good to know. Thanks.
They had to qualify the difference somehow, the cheapest filter is good.
Castrol CAS 6607
Will both of these fit a Honda civic 2013 ex
Yes, they will,
Thanks for watching!
@@WhipCityWrencher would you recommend using one
@@hamerkiller I personally wouldn't use it but that's just me. I would rather spend a few more bucks and get a filter with a better micron rating. That being said these filters will be fine for your vehicle.
@@WhipCityWrencher final question then is the Bosch premium oil filter good then
@@hamerkiller Sure, the Bosch Premium is a good oil filter.
wow very throrough
Thanks, Ken!
Same.
Drain back valves are different material.
Nice stuff
Great filters, just don't go over 3.000 miles on the oil change.
Why? No manufacturer has a 3000 mile interval for an oil and filter change. Jiffy Lube style shops came up with that arbitrary number to get customers to come back more frequently 40 years ago.
I'll stick with OEM due to having bypass valve and anti backflow and likely better filtering material.
Appreciate you doing this, excellent video !
Your Welcome! and
Thank You!
CHEAP
The only difference is the color and the price.
Goddamn, some people's kids
Do you need to worry about the plastic core?
They used to bother me, but I've grown to like them