Thanks, Forrest, for coming on our show today. It was a real treat! My apologies to you and our viewers for not realizing your audio was coming from your computer and not your microphone. 😬 That one's on me. - Leo
how totally fantastic that Forrest is working with the FFR Foundation! I am excited to hear this video! about to hit play. Thank you guys at FFRF for all you do to fight for our implicit freedoms and the right to choose None of the Above! YOU guys are a part of what makes america great. my best to all of you at FFRF and to Forrest.
It's fantastic to know other people have joy, are upbeat, and very much enjoy sharing with others without having a Christian or Savior religion in their life.
If all the books and knowledge in the world was lost, Science would be recreated with essentially no differences. But totally different religions would arise.
We need like 100 guys like Forest. Well informed,gentle, patient and with a great sense of humor. He is the kind of atheist that truly makes you rethink your ideas
Sorry for the intrusion. Yes I share that video quite a lot, especially in online debates. Didn't know he was doing another one. Hope it also has JS Bachs Brandenburg Concerto playing in the background.
Excellent choice of guests today. "Renegade Scientist" Forrest Valkai is more like the highly qualified mainstream genuine article of Darwinian evolution and science based critical thought. I admired his passion and commitment to secular education ... our world needs more elite intellects like Forrest leading our society toward progress and away from the archaic relic that is religion! 😊
I would happily listen to Forrest riff on all of these topics all day long if he'd consent to do so. And your final words literally brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for being the genuine article you are!
He does. all the episodes on atheist experience and The Line are amazing with him and Erica combined = insane amounts of great rants and knowledge: just saw this in the suggested list on the right : ua-cam.com/video/7bNlONci0f4/v-deo.html
I've been waiting to hear Forrest's opinion on what is happening in Oklahoma schools. I watch him whenever he appears on the other channels you have mentioned but the times I've watched, he hasn't talked about it. I can't believe they are trying to teach Sunday school in public schools but only their flavour of magic not anyone else's.
Forrest is my hero! The enthusiasm he has when he gets onto a topic, but his mind goes to so many different other topics he wants to talk about purely because „isn’t that just so cool!?“ is the exact enthusiasm I hope to show to my kids when they’re learning things in school!
Hearing Forrest talk always makes me feel so excited and enthusiastic about life and learning! What a great teacher! Kids of all ages must absolutely love when he comes to their schools, his enthusiasm is contagious and rather than dogma and blind obedience, he inspires questions, curiosity and investigation, which is so engaging and FUN for kids!
Always great to see and hear you, Forrest. There are places where creationism can be taught: they're called "churches." That's where it needs to stay if it's going to exist at all.
One of my favorite things is that religion proves evolution in a conceptual way because religions themselves evolve! The vast diversity of "only truth" beliefs doesn't merely parallel biological diversity, but the history of how those all arose and continue to arise is a good analog for mutation and selection. What a great topic! And Forrest is always a delight.
👏👏👏👊Great guest FFR. F.V. is a real boon to parents like me, his channel is awesome and he is one of the best hosts on TAE and The Line. I show clips of his vids to my kids all the time. Great conversation to have in these times of rising evangelism/politicization of religion/religion's creep into public education, etc etc.
What i really find ironic during the Olympics...the talk of the female Algerian boxer. The same mentality that has been screaming "basic biology" and " its biology, stupid" etc are the same ones who dispute evolution.
Thanks for asking that last question, and thank you Forrest for the thoughtful and inspiring answer. I hate that you went through hard times but I am a little relieved that you did? because some people float though life and say positive and optimistic things because they don’t suffer. It is frustrating to hear platitudes.
Its so disgusting to hear how education prior to college is so profit and business based. I hate to be pessimestic but the US is so broken and will continue to deteriorate as long as our current style of leadership continues. I love the work the Forrest is doing!
The public school district I work for in Florida calls their morning prayer "moment of reflection." Just this morning I was having an imaginary debate about the disguised nature of this daily ritual. I wondered what would happen if a student decided to sit down after the pledge instead of staying up for this special moment. People can reflect on their own time
The clip about skin colour was my favourite part of Forrest's video. I didn't understand how the darker skin not only protected the people walking around but also the unborn children. That is a great part of his video and I agree that everyone should look at that. Forrest's video helped me to try (I still suck at it) to be better with engaging with people instead of refuting them.
The worst part about this is that religion should be taught in school because school needs to teach you about the world and the humans living in it and those humans quite often believe in religions. The problem is that a lot of fundamentalists want their religion presented in a devotional manner, and they'll play bait and switch.
I've heard of FFRF before but never got to grasp that it was a channel. That was a great episode. Love Forrest and you guys seem great, but it takes time to learn whom you're listening to and what they stand for (well.. I was also listening to you guys in the background/not paying attention to the finer details). Thank you! I might watch another episode eventually. Take care gents. OH and may I suggest: make clips of these. There are countless bits that are golden. I'm sure Forrest wouldn't mind either.
48:00 (maybe just a hair before that) be careful about what you say... one point you say it is to make world better place but then tell people to find another state. That same argument (go to another state) is mouthed by Christians as well. We are falling back into the cult-like mind. Rather, just find a different teacher. ♡ But our passions get ahold of us and we just start rambling.... Either way, what a great conversation. I really enjoyed this a lot. Thank you to all.
Love Forrest. Hope that he comes to the Secularhub in Denver sometime soon. His Video "Sex and Sensibility" is a wonderful biology lesson that helped me to be more understanding of gender issues. I watched it again with a trans friend who is also a neurobiologist. She approved.
I've never seen this channel before but saw Forrest so of course was going to watch😂 I also recognized the name from Forrest's Ask an Atheist video, that they referenced. I stumbled across Forrest's Reacteria series and watched for fun as a Christian that believed God was behind evolution. Loved it! He's so much fun you watch. But I kept putting off watching his ask an atheist video, now I can admit it was because I was afraid to. I had my doubts but I wanted to hold onto my Christianity because of my family and the lifetime of indoctrination that had taught me that God was what gave me worth and purpose and comfort, and I couldn't imagine life without all that. Then I into an argument with my mom over politics and she didn't like my progressive Christian arguments, and suggested God may send me to hell. I had a young toddler at that point and started to think about if God really would send a loving, devoted child to hell for trying their best to help people but getting it wrong??? With that turmoil in mind, I finally watched Forrest's video. He completely tore apart every defense, and every reason I had to even want to hold onto my faith. It was still a long process of reflection and study, but that was the official starting point for my deconstruction❤️ and I've never been mentally healthier.
I wanna know why this is the first time YT recommended this channel to me, despite being a member of FFRF and a member of like 30 different atheist channels… YT algorithm oppression strikes again!
Forrest, the reason why your old textbook only says "theory" and "believe" in the evolution chapters is because that was the only chapter interest groups actually bothered to review. Even today, McGraw-Hill and their editor partner companies are still compelled to distribute sections of evolution, politics and religion to specialty review board BETWEEN the peer review process among the authors and the later submission to the state boards they are supplying. Their lawyers redline through the text and then send a report to conservative watchdogs and state legislators/lobbyists to reject the publisher's editions until those changes have been made.
I went to Catholic school K through 12th and we had to learn science. We had theology class and we were never taught that religion was fact. We were always taught that science was fact. In Louisville, KY
@@henrysurev6908The OP wasn't lucky, catholic schools are known for their good education. And yes that includes things like biology, evolution, and the basic sciences.
These stats are mind-boggling. I am a teacher union President in another country to the north of you and I've only had one that tried to balance ID and Evolution in a presentation. It wasn't a direct endorsement of ID but, I told them not to do that and they didn't. There are religious fundamentalists in my local and they just aren't teaching Science, both by direction and personal choice. I feel fortunate.
Religions (most) are already available for free to the community where I live. There is no need to include it in our schools as well…unless the churches would like to teach our public science curriculum as a requirement. 🤷♂️
A lot of this stuff sounds alien to me because I live in a country where there is little to no religion in our school system and class rooms. I live and grew up in Australia and went to a goverment public school which science from the early grades .
@@netscrooge It's not at all clear why you would imagine that was so... It's just a matter of counting back to when the first evidence appears... And that's between 5000 and 4000 bce.
@@DJTheTrainmanWalker But you're not making claims about the evidence, such as when it appears. You're making claims about what people thought thousands of years ago. There is no justification to jump from the one to the other. Good grief, we're not even good at understanding each other when we are standing right in front of each other. Making claims about what people thought thousands of years ago is not science, it's largely meaningless, wild speculation.
Our schools in El Dorado County CA such as buckeye and rescue Union School Districts are putting the Bible in schools and states. And I was told by the vice principal of camerado middle school that there was nothing I could do about it.
I love Valkai's answer on incorporating the bible into the school setting. Talk about the incest and gore and horror that exists in it. Do the same thing creationists do with science but for the bible.
For the teacher about 29 minutes in. Do you teach all the creation myths? How could you be so disrespectful to all those other religions? At 50 minutes in I liked a story they had when covid was in full swing that some orangutans at a zoo were showing signs of depression when there were no visitors. The zookeepers let otters into the stream in the orangutan enclosure and the otters started messing with the orangutans and brought them out of their depression.
Most believers don't need the public schools to meddle in what they can teach perfectly well at home or get at Sunday School. It's all a lot of political grandstanding.
Because I have knowledge, I have no need for belief. People can believe anything but nobody can know everything. It's all of the things we don't know and are afraid of that cause people with a greater propensity for emotional and irrational decisions to ack out their beliefs.
I grew up in the uk. We have religious education in schools and always have. We don’t teach the bible, it would be better described as cultural education. We learn about the belief systems of mankind, how they influence history and modern issues. It’s about understanding of others. Ironically, this non separation seems to help create less religion in our society. That and we have philosophy as a subject that delves into the cosmology and argument for and against god. The point is that those lessons are very separate to any science we do. It isn’t an issue to do these things, in fact I’d say these classes are important and good for human understanding. It’s about how you do them though. If you are preaching and teaching the bible then that is t the same thing. America need a formal curriculum so everyone is leaning the basics and teachers can’t teach nonsense.
The Genesis/Garden of Eden pushes (1) credulity, (2) accepting rules regardless of whether they make sense. Designed to encourage people to accept the edicts of their dictatorial rulers, all for a promise that if they are good sheep they will be rewarded after they die😮
I believe humanity won't last much longer, certainly society as we know it. The mass migration that will be forced as the climate and earth becomes hostile to everything living there, as species die off and our food dies, and water is horded...... however I think that makes it more important to solve some of the "temporary" problems. Our lives have been pretty hard and unfair, the least we can do is give comfort as mass deaths happen. Worst case scenario people finally get motivated to solve bigger issues and work together. Or maybe that's just hopeful wishing on my part because I'm poor and I know I'll be among the first "sacrificed" and forgotten and I'd like what time we have left not to be exploited by the rich and powerful. They obviously aren't trying to sustain the world.
I don't like loud people overall. Passionate is not = loud speaking. But this is just personal preference. It tells you nothing about the guy really. :D
Religion in classroom? Great! Does that mean, we can now finally teach children of those Baptists families the real truth of Lord Krishna and Ganesha and all their miracles? 😂
idk why but this reminded me of that missUSA clip where the contestants were asked "should evolution be taught in schools?" & only like California, Connecticut, New Mexico & Vermont said yes with no caveats, also shout out to Louisianna for being like "idk...yes maybe idk? send help" : ua-cam.com/video/icC64PafDbU/v-deo.html
Great video. Im a fan of FFRF and Forrest. But I have to agree with birchdecoy. You really need to update these videos. I like watching FFRF videos but they are so drab. I can get through them but they can be so dry. Im not suggesting bowing to theatrics and emotional manipulation like religion does, but you need to make these videos more pleasant to watch.
It's an interview on Skype. It looks to me like what news programs like PBS Newshour frequently do, and it's clear from the success of many podcasts that there is definitely an audience for long form interviews. What do you suggest they do to spice it up?
If Forrest gave his best effort to deliver a dry and unengaging explanation, he would still be more interesting than most people. The man is fascinated by everything and it comes through clear as day in his body language.
I don't think trying to empathize with parents will work, because they think they have the truth, so won't entertain the idea. Regarding teaching other religions in the classroom if they want theirs.
Thanks, Forrest, for coming on our show today. It was a real treat! My apologies to you and our viewers for not realizing your audio was coming from your computer and not your microphone. 😬 That one's on me. - Leo
how totally fantastic that Forrest is working with the FFR Foundation! I am excited to hear this video! about to hit play.
Thank you guys at FFRF for all you do to fight for our implicit freedoms and the right to choose None of the Above!
YOU guys are a part of what makes america great.
my best to all of you at FFRF and to Forrest.
I LOVE Forrest!! He’s my all time favorite content creator!!!
Even with lousy sound Forrest is worth listening to.
Forrest is a smart person too stubborn to leave the state. We eat, sleep, and breath malicious compliance, and I love him for it.
@@sarahchristine2345yes, I’d like to see forest on the Joe Rogan Experience!
I don’t know this channel but I saw Forrest so I clicked.
Saaame. x)
Same
Me too
Same lmao
Same
We need more like Forrest and Erika. The kindness they show to people is awesome.
It's fantastic to know other people have joy, are upbeat, and very much enjoy sharing with others without having a Christian or Savior religion in their life.
Science works the same all over the world. Religion can already differ in the same household.
Same is true for ideas about love.
@@netscrooge Sadly as long as "there is no hate as christian love" remains a thing, that simply is not true.
@@Julian0101 You're making more of a theological statement than a scientific one.
@@netscrooge Seeing how your god is not needed for love to exist, then is clearly not a theological statement.
If all the books and knowledge in the world was lost, Science would be recreated with essentially no differences. But totally different religions would arise.
"Forrest we gotta reel you back in a little bit"
How dare you, sir.
We need like 100 guys like Forest. Well informed,gentle, patient and with a great sense of humor. He is the kind of atheist that truly makes you rethink your ideas
100? How about 1 billion for starters?
Best comment ever 💪💪💪👍👍👍😊😊😊
Forrest is really an anti-theist. Even though God appeared to him, schlong in hand, he would never worship such an egotistical maniac
Every teacher on every school should be a bit of Forrest.
I love the malicious compliance approach. Make them regret such laws endlessly.
I'm going over to Japan in a few months to teach English as a foreign language and it is my goal to be as enthusiastic and open as Forrest.
You're going to love it there. Schools over there are incredible.
Good luck!!!
"A minor note in a major melody." Forest blowing my mind as always.
I am a simple man. I see Forrest I click
Forrest is da bomb. Such a great science communicator
I can't WAIT for Forrests new sex and sensibility video. I share his old one evry time sex and gender comes up in debate. ❤
Sorry for the intrusion. Yes I share that video quite a lot, especially in online debates. Didn't know he was doing another one. Hope it also has JS Bachs Brandenburg Concerto playing in the background.
Excellent choice of guests today. "Renegade Scientist" Forrest Valkai is more like the highly qualified mainstream genuine article of Darwinian evolution and science based critical thought. I admired his passion and commitment to secular education ... our world needs more elite intellects like Forrest leading our society toward progress and away from the archaic relic that is religion! 😊
I would happily listen to Forrest riff on all of these topics all day long if he'd consent to do so. And your final words literally brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for being the genuine article you are!
He does. all the episodes on atheist experience and The Line are amazing with him and Erica combined = insane amounts of great rants and knowledge: just saw this in the suggested list on the right : ua-cam.com/video/7bNlONci0f4/v-deo.html
I've been waiting to hear Forrest's opinion on what is happening in Oklahoma schools. I watch him whenever he appears on the other channels you have mentioned but the times I've watched, he hasn't talked about it. I can't believe they are trying to teach Sunday school in public schools but only their flavour of magic not anyone else's.
Forrest is my hero! The enthusiasm he has when he gets onto a topic, but his mind goes to so many different other topics he wants to talk about purely because „isn’t that just so cool!?“ is the exact enthusiasm I hope to show to my kids when they’re learning things in school!
Hearing Forrest talk always makes me feel so excited and enthusiastic about life and learning! What a great teacher! Kids of all ages must absolutely love when he comes to their schools, his enthusiasm is contagious and rather than dogma and blind obedience, he inspires questions, curiosity and investigation, which is so engaging and FUN for kids!
Always great to see and hear you, Forrest. There are places where creationism can be taught: they're called "churches." That's where it needs to stay if it's going to exist at all.
Forrest and Erika are my heros. There I said it. Don't tell them, they'll just be humble.
So glad to see Forest here
Forrest makes me feel better. 🖖💚🌈
You really can't be a bad person... At least in those ways. Lol
Forrest is amazing! Sincere and honest.
I wish Forrest was on UA-cam when I was in college. He's so uber nerdy about biology you can't help but also love biology
Forrest rocks.
Forrest trees
WE NEED CLASSES ON CRITICAL THINKING!! High school would be okay, but it should be in middle school.
Yes!! The Thinking is Power (Melanie Trecek King) accounts and The Mental Immunity Project on Facebook, Insta, YT, etc. advocate for exactly this!!
One of my favorite things is that religion proves evolution in a conceptual way because religions themselves evolve! The vast diversity of "only truth" beliefs doesn't merely parallel biological diversity, but the history of how those all arose and continue to arise is a good analog for mutation and selection. What a great topic! And Forrest is always a delight.
I love Forrest Valkai. I have seen him on The Atheist Experience.
Forrest is one of the great ones! Could (and have!) listen to him for hours!
Gutsick Gibbon has a nice video on our parallel domestication of dogs.
The answer to the question at 49:00 is that dogs are gods.
Malicious compliance is an excellent term. I’m intimately familiar with this behavior.
Forrest is true knowledge!
👏👏👏👊Great guest FFR.
F.V. is a real boon to parents like me, his channel is awesome and he is one of the best hosts on TAE and The Line. I show clips of his vids to my kids all the time.
Great conversation to have in these times of rising evangelism/politicization of religion/religion's creep into public education, etc etc.
Forrest is 100% awesome! And the Tales of the Valiant is just amazing!
Forest, you are the best. luv ya. Oh my glob!
Love Forrest
I'd be OK with religion in the classroom with Forrest Valkai teaching.
Always love Forrest's enthusiasm toward logic and science topics, I hope he continues spreading the knowledge for decades to come.
What i really find ironic during the Olympics...the talk of the female Algerian boxer. The same mentality that has been screaming "basic biology" and " its biology, stupid" etc are the same ones who dispute evolution.
Forrest is the best
I adore Forrest. Just beware, he is the harbinger of the 🦷🐰
OMG! Have you seen the thing?! It's a TERROR! Beware the 🦷🐰 indeed!
Love FrFF and F. Valkai is an awesome person and very entertaining. Thank you so much for having him on.❤
Thanks for asking that last question, and thank you Forrest for the thoughtful and inspiring answer. I hate that you went through hard times but I am a little relieved that you did? because some people float though life and say positive and optimistic things because they don’t suffer. It is frustrating to hear platitudes.
Great, discussion. I get his passion, I feel the same way.
This was great!!
As a science educator, I could turn it up to an 8. Forrest and Erika turn it up to 11!
Forrest Valkai for President!
Its so disgusting to hear how education prior to college is so profit and business based. I hate to be pessimestic but the US is so broken and will continue to deteriorate as long as our current style of leadership continues. I love the work the Forrest is doing!
Every time I see Forrest in a new place I'm always surprised..... But I don't know why, every place he's ended up has just made sense 😂
The public school district I work for in Florida calls their morning prayer "moment of reflection." Just this morning I was having an imaginary debate about the disguised nature of this daily ritual. I wondered what would happen if a student decided to sit down after the pledge instead of staying up for this special moment. People can reflect on their own time
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@@Unknowntyperi agree with practice. This is not meeting in the middle. It is still pushing prayer in school.
@@practice4089 *giggle* you can lead a horse to water but you can't make 'em think.
@@UnknowntyperAre you open to teaching real science, like evolution, in your church?
Florida is where education goes to die
The clip about skin colour was my favourite part of Forrest's video. I didn't understand how the darker skin not only protected the people walking around but also the unborn children. That is a great part of his video and I agree that everyone should look at that. Forrest's video helped me to try (I still suck at it) to be better with engaging with people instead of refuting them.
Everybody please Join FFRF. They are fighting everyday for us.
Now I gotta rewatch his stuff.
The worst part about this is that religion should be taught in school because school needs to teach you about the world and the humans living in it and those humans quite often believe in religions. The problem is that a lot of fundamentalists want their religion presented in a devotional manner, and they'll play bait and switch.
I've heard of FFRF before but never got to grasp that it was a channel. That was a great episode. Love Forrest and you guys seem great, but it takes time to learn whom you're listening to and what they stand for (well.. I was also listening to you guys in the background/not paying attention to the finer details). Thank you! I might watch another episode eventually. Take care gents. OH and may I suggest: make clips of these. There are countless bits that are golden. I'm sure Forrest wouldn't mind either.
Thank you Forrest! First time I heard you today :) The proof is in the pudding! The Pudding is evidence!
48:00 (maybe just a hair before that) be careful about what you say... one point you say it is to make world better place but then tell people to find another state. That same argument (go to another state) is mouthed by Christians as well. We are falling back into the cult-like mind. Rather, just find a different teacher. ♡ But our passions get ahold of us and we just start rambling.... Either way, what a great conversation. I really enjoyed this a lot. Thank you to all.
Love Forrest. Hope that he comes to the Secularhub in Denver sometime soon. His Video "Sex and Sensibility" is a wonderful biology lesson that helped me to be more understanding of gender issues. I watched it again with a trans friend who is also a neurobiologist. She approved.
Forrest yay
I've never seen this channel before but saw Forrest so of course was going to watch😂 I also recognized the name from Forrest's Ask an Atheist video, that they referenced. I stumbled across Forrest's Reacteria series and watched for fun as a Christian that believed God was behind evolution. Loved it! He's so much fun you watch. But I kept putting off watching his ask an atheist video, now I can admit it was because I was afraid to. I had my doubts but I wanted to hold onto my Christianity because of my family and the lifetime of indoctrination that had taught me that God was what gave me worth and purpose and comfort, and I couldn't imagine life without all that.
Then I into an argument with my mom over politics and she didn't like my progressive Christian arguments, and suggested God may send me to hell. I had a young toddler at that point and started to think about if God really would send a loving, devoted child to hell for trying their best to help people but getting it wrong???
With that turmoil in mind, I finally watched Forrest's video. He completely tore apart every defense, and every reason I had to even want to hold onto my faith. It was still a long process of reflection and study, but that was the official starting point for my deconstruction❤️ and I've never been mentally healthier.
I wanna know why this is the first time YT recommended this channel to me, despite being a member of FFRF and a member of like 30 different atheist channels… YT algorithm oppression strikes again!
Forrest, the reason why your old textbook only says "theory" and "believe" in the evolution chapters is because that was the only chapter interest groups actually bothered to review. Even today, McGraw-Hill and their editor partner companies are still compelled to distribute sections of evolution, politics and religion to specialty review board BETWEEN the peer review process among the authors and the later submission to the state boards they are supplying. Their lawyers redline through the text and then send a report to conservative watchdogs and state legislators/lobbyists to reject the publisher's editions until those changes have been made.
For the algorithm 🙂
I went to Catholic school K through 12th and we had to learn science. We had theology class and we were never taught that religion was fact. We were always taught that science was fact. In Louisville, KY
Then you were really lucky
@@henrysurev6908The OP wasn't lucky, catholic schools are known for their good education. And yes that includes things like biology, evolution, and the basic sciences.
What did your theology class cover
@@drywall1873 about every different theism you could think of
@@timguenthner6434 what a vague answer.
How long were you in said class
These stats are mind-boggling. I am a teacher union President in another country to the north of you and I've only had one that tried to balance ID and Evolution in a presentation. It wasn't a direct endorsement of ID but, I told them not to do that and they didn't. There are religious fundamentalists in my local and they just aren't teaching Science, both by direction and personal choice. I feel fortunate.
I really hope this makes more kids see how ridiculous is.
First time I've heard "asshole" and "eat shit" on this channel. Keep up the good work!
Forrest just kinda blew up.
I think people often forget that they are free to educate themselves, by any means they choose, and pursue proving ANY theory incorrect.
Religions (most) are already available for free to the community where I live. There is no need to include it in our schools as well…unless the churches would like to teach our public science curriculum as a requirement. 🤷♂️
Wait, online Dungeons and Dragons campaign?
I need details.
A lot of this stuff sounds alien to me because I live in a country where there is little to no religion in our school system and class rooms.
I live and grew up in Australia and went to a goverment public school which science from the early grades .
Forrest is every science tacher's favorite science teacher!!
Responding to the title cold: Well religious education cllass should start with the origin of 'god/s' circa 5000 bce.
Circa 5000 bce is not scientific.
@@netscrooge You lost me. How is "Humans developed god concepts circa 5000bce." a non scientific statement?
@@netscrooge It's not at all clear why you would imagine that was so... It's just a matter of counting back to when the first evidence appears... And that's between 5000 and 4000 bce.
@@DJTheTrainmanWalker But you're not making claims about the evidence, such as when it appears. You're making claims about what people thought thousands of years ago. There is no justification to jump from the one to the other. Good grief, we're not even good at understanding each other when we are standing right in front of each other. Making claims about what people thought thousands of years ago is not science, it's largely meaningless, wild speculation.
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Teach religion as history, literature, myth, and sociology. But be honest and factual.
In high school here in AK. I learned evolution.
Atheist from Montgomery, Alabama, the buy bull belt 😉
49:12 it co-evolution of communal species
Our schools in El Dorado County CA such as buckeye and rescue Union School Districts are putting the Bible in schools and states. And I was told by the vice principal of camerado middle school that there was nothing I could do about it.
That gospelly intro lol!
I know, right!? 😂
They can teach religion in the classroom as soon as they teach evolution and it being true in Sunday school.
I love Valkai's answer on incorporating the bible into the school setting. Talk about the incest and gore and horror that exists in it. Do the same thing creationists do with science but for the bible.
For the teacher about 29 minutes in. Do you teach all the creation myths? How could you be so disrespectful to all those other religions? At 50 minutes in I liked a story they had when covid was in full swing that some orangutans at a zoo were showing signs of depression when there were no visitors. The zookeepers let otters into the stream in the orangutan enclosure and the otters started messing with the orangutans and brought them out of their depression.
Otters like attention, so I assume they appreciated it, too.
Is "inside the mind of a dog" the Netflix doc they talk about nearish the end?
I need the gospel song at the beginning to play for my Grandma
Oklahoma: You must teach from the Bible.
Forest: :)
Oklahoma: No, not like that!
Wow, you make this look like a christian talk-show!
It's kinda funny huh? 😂
Most believers don't need the public schools to meddle in what they can teach perfectly well at home or get at Sunday School.
It's all a lot of political grandstanding.
Because I have knowledge, I have no need for belief. People can believe anything but nobody can know everything. It's all of the things we don't know and are afraid of that cause people with a greater propensity for emotional and irrational decisions to ack out their beliefs.
I grew up in the uk. We have religious education in schools and always have. We don’t teach the bible, it would be better described as cultural education. We learn about the belief systems of mankind, how they influence history and modern issues. It’s about understanding of others. Ironically, this non separation seems to help create less religion in our society. That and we have philosophy as a subject that delves into the cosmology and argument for and against god. The point is that those lessons are very separate to any science we do. It isn’t an issue to do these things, in fact I’d say these classes are important and good for human understanding. It’s about how you do them though. If you are preaching and teaching the bible then that is t the same thing. America need a formal curriculum so everyone is leaning the basics and teachers can’t teach nonsense.
The Genesis/Garden of Eden pushes (1) credulity, (2) accepting rules regardless of whether they make sense. Designed to encourage people to accept the edicts of their dictatorial rulers, all for a promise that if they are good sheep they will be rewarded after they die😮
Did he come in studio straight from beach?
6:45. I don’t see an issue with that
I believe humanity won't last much longer, certainly society as we know it. The mass migration that will be forced as the climate and earth becomes hostile to everything living there, as species die off and our food dies, and water is horded...... however I think that makes it more important to solve some of the "temporary" problems. Our lives have been pretty hard and unfair, the least we can do is give comfort as mass deaths happen. Worst case scenario people finally get motivated to solve bigger issues and work together.
Or maybe that's just hopeful wishing on my part because I'm poor and I know I'll be among the first "sacrificed" and forgotten and I'd like what time we have left not to be exploited by the rich and powerful. They obviously aren't trying to sustain the world.
I don't like the guy but I LOVE his reasoning.
Not sure how one goes about disliking him. He's a very likeable dude.
Why?
I don't like loud people overall. Passionate is not = loud speaking. But this is just personal preference. It tells you nothing about the guy really. :D
@@hokiturmix Ah, that actually makes sense.
Religion in classroom? Great! Does that mean, we can now finally teach children of those Baptists families the real truth of Lord Krishna and Ganesha and all their miracles? 😂
idk why but this reminded me of that missUSA clip where the contestants were asked "should evolution be taught in schools?" & only like California, Connecticut, New Mexico & Vermont said yes with no caveats, also shout out to Louisianna for being like "idk...yes maybe idk? send help" : ua-cam.com/video/icC64PafDbU/v-deo.html
Great video. Im a fan of FFRF and Forrest.
But I have to agree with birchdecoy. You really need to update these videos. I like watching FFRF videos but they are so drab. I can get through them but they can be so dry. Im not suggesting bowing to theatrics and emotional manipulation like religion does, but you need to make these videos more pleasant to watch.
It's an interview on Skype. It looks to me like what news programs like PBS Newshour frequently do, and it's clear from the success of many podcasts that there is definitely an audience for long form interviews. What do you suggest they do to spice it up?
If Forrest gave his best effort to deliver a dry and unengaging explanation, he would still be more interesting than most people. The man is fascinated by everything and it comes through clear as day in his body language.
I don't think trying to empathize with parents will work, because they think they have the truth, so won't entertain the idea. Regarding teaching other religions in the classroom if they want theirs.
I am happy in my mortal coil.