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And who are the Sea People? I'm genuinely curious about this topic because pretty much nobody knows. It makes you wonder, you know? also inb4 somebody says "it's Walpole, of course."
You know this had me wondering. Why not brass? It's as strong as bronze, and is made with the much more common element zinc. As someone who enjoys learning about metallurgy I had to look it up. Apparently the ancients were well aware of zinc, but it was a huge hassle to refine from ore. The problem being that just smelting it with charcoal, zinc boils and evaporates at a lower temperature than it would reduce from zinc oxide. Brass had to be produced in small amounts in a crucible by allowing copper to absorb zinc vapor. As such brass was really only used for decoration, as it was too much work for bronze age technology to produce in useful quantities. Refining pure zinc didn't become possible until the 18th century. So there's why we didn't have a brass age.
In case anybody's been living under a rock, this is the series that almost all of the EH following has been waiting for since it was introduced to the schedule a half a year ago. * bows down at the feet of whoever suggested the topic in the first place
Xbuttx Z Rome's collapse is studied extensively due to a few factors. 1) we know what happened. Barring a few mysteries, we generally know when, how and why Rome collapsed (Western Rome that is) thanks to scholars in the eastern empire, and monks and rulers (Like Charlemagne) in the west who would promote literature and keep records of past events. 2) Rome's collapse had a direct impact on European history, which in turn had a Major impact on modern day world history. Of course one would study that which pertains to us most of all. 3) Rome was bigger and more impactful on history, since Rome was THE empire to emulate. With codes of laws, Republicans, modern military structure, political beuracracy, and massive public works like Roads and Aquaducts.
Other Phoenician business: Setting up a colony in the Western Mediterranean to be named Carthage Fuck with Rome for a few hundred years EH comes full circle.
holy crap, finally something on youtube about ancient history that isn't just conspiracy theories, it's frustratingly difficult to find actual facts on anything from before the classical period that isn't just straight up academic (that is, things that aren't just straight up journal articles published by universities)
More than just these cultures were affected by a collapse around this same time. This was also the end of the Harappa civilization in Pakistan, China was invaded by barbarians, north and central American building cultures suffered during this period. Something big was going on. It could very well have been climate related, something that made it difficult for non-agricultural people to maintain their livelihoods and compelled them to move in and attack wealthier agricultural civilizations. The Odyssey took place during this time (just after the Trojan war which was just before the collapse), and it's a story of a man making an enemy of Poseidon, and fighting his way through treacherous seas and winds (and weird islands) for twenty years. It could very well have been a climatic event, like a volcanic eruption that changed global temperatures and weather patterns for a while (at least in the northern hemisphere). There was at least one in the world somewhere around that time, the Hekla eruption in Iceland, which has been considered as a candidate for a cause or contributing factor to this collapse. Personally, what I find most interesting about this whole period is how much Greece changed, from the Achaean/Mycenaean civilization to the "Classical" Greek civilization after the intervening "Greek Dark Ages". Their art style completely changed, especially the depiction of people which were originally a bit cartoonish in a Sumerian/Babylonian way, their writing changed from the Linear B Minoan system of writing to their version of the Phoenician alphabet. They just became such a fundamentally different people... while still maintaining some language and cultural elements from the past. There's a major hypothesis about the later Greeks being northern invaders who then settled among the previous Greeks, something that also happened to some of the other places (the Harappa civilization was displaced by the arrival of the Vedic peoples, for example). It makes me wonder who they were before. As far as I know the only surviving stories of their culture are the Iliad and the Odyssey, both written centuries later, in the Archaic period and most of the other parts of it were lost. Even from the Archaic period, only some of Homer's works and a few of Sappho's poems survived - considered the father and mother of literature (to the Greeks, and later to the Romans).
5:53 - It would appear that you folks have made an error in your placement of the Assyrian Empire, putting it WAAAAY east of its position along the northern Tigris and Euphrates rivers. It's a minor error, I know, but I'm aware that you all want to be kept updated on any mistakes made.
Also, it isn't true that Egypt was destroyed. At least not completely. 'Bombed back into the Stone Age' maybe, but not fully destroyed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse It's something that bothers me a little bit, but I guess this is also one point that will be clarified in their "Lies" episode and it is due to time issues. Well, we will see.
It's actually quite a relevant mistake. Right now it looks like the Assyrians were some faroff nation who occasionally organized long journeys westward, through the barren wastelands of mesopotamia. Instead of being basically their next-door inland neighbour.
Egyptians. Hittites. Assyrians. Myceneans. Long ago, these four Bronze Age civilizations lived together in a healthy system of trade, agriculture, and sometimes warfare. But then, everything changed when the Sea People attacked.
Logoncal Exactly. That's why they beat all the people around them so fast and managed to hold the largest stretching empire of their time frame. Oh, and they also had great tactics and were rich, thanks to trading with other wealthy people.
And not for the reasons a lot of people think. Late Bronze Weapons were actually better than Early Iron Weapons, due to the thousands of years of smithing behind it. But what gave Iron it’s advantage was it’s abundance. Because it’s was so common, and it wasn’t an alloy, the Assyrians could field massive armies for the time.
Fun fact: the name of copper and it's chemical symbol both come from Cyprus. In ancient times, copper was called Cyprium, which was bastardized by the Romans to Cuprum, (which is why copper is CU), which eventually became Copper
I'm so happy this is covered. ive been interested in this since I studied Crete and was fascinated by the near total depopulation of the coastal regions and the near fortified cities in the mountains, also I really hope you mention how the Greeks literally forget how to read for about 4 centuries. that still boggles me.
From what we know, the Minoans and the Mycenaens were different people with different governments. The Minoans faced an apocalyptic destruction when the local volcano of Santorini errupted, and destroyed everything in its wake, weakening the Minoans enough to allow the Mycenaens tocome out on top and conquer them. Santorini, also, used to be a completely round island until the volcano erruption transformed it into the shape it is today)
So you mean to say that we live in a post-apocalyptic world, and that the cause and details of the disaster are conveniently unknown? I will now no longer criticize authors that lazily evade the nature of their apocalypse.
@@anaussie213 The collapse of Western Rome doesn't compare. Italy was still urbanized and still had literacy - the Germanic invaders did want to reap the benefits of settled civilization. Eastern Rome and Mesopotamia were fine. India and China were also fine.
@@anaussie213 The only thing that happened with rome is that names on a map changed. The actual experience of most individuals in europe improved after the collapse.
I really love the drawn "horses", it makes me giggle every time because they look more like lamma/alpacca than horses...Imagine ancient egypts, preparing their chariots with lammas
I know this _isn't_ one of their sponsored series, but wow this would have been perfect fodder for sponsorship considering it's coming right on the heels of Age of Empires 1's 20th anniversary. I am *so* excited for the Definitive Edition to come out! (Or hopefully get into the beta before then…)
YES!!!!!!!!! Finally, a UA-cam video on the Bronze Age Collapse that isn't a documentary from the 90's or a lecture from a history professor. I love this. Thank you for doing a series on this turning point in Human history.
Unfortunately, the "sea people" were islamists, and a simple youtube search of "dark ages collapse islam" should provide enough information about that. By the way, the golden ages of islam came just a bit after the bronze age collapse turned into the dark ages for most of the civilized world.
Sapioit You're joking, right? The islamic religion didn't even exist, hell Christianity did not even exist at this time, how the hell would they have been the cause of the collapse pray tell?
I think you're confusing the Dark Ages with the Bronze Age Collapse. The Bronze Age Collapse happened in 1150 B.C/B.C.E before even Christianity existed, the Dark Ages happened after the Fall Of Rome in 5th century A.D and Islam only began 200 years after that. You should do more research.
Yeah... that doesn't make any sense First off, Islam wouldn't appear in a couple thousand years Second off, for the most part the conquering Muslims tended to respect and protect the cultures and knowledge in the lands they conquered, preserving pre-Muslim Egypt's libraries, painstakingly preserving the Greek and Roman classics, and learning from the Hindu texts
Dear Extra Credits team I see your transition from games to history, and I must say that I really like your content. You already have told almost all the things that can be said about gamedev, and it is okay. Sometimes the video about gaming appears, and this is cool. I love how you talk about history. When I watch them I feel as a part of this ever changing world... Keep up a good work!
How to sum it up: Well there's the Bronze age colapse.... *NOW THE PHOENICIANS CAN GET DOWN TO BUSINESS!* •doing Trade •Being cool •Inventing The Alphabet i guess
I am hooked on your Series. I had saw them for months, but didn't think much to look. One day I saw a series you had that might interest me. I watched all 4 parts and got HOOKED! Keep making them!
For some reason I have a plethora of videos on the Bronze Age Collapse in my feed lately. This is one of the most understandable of them, and I appreciate that it's broken up into manageable chunks (as you are prone to do).
Been watching and listening to your channel for about a year now. Love the channel. Love the story-telling narration. You guys are one of very very very few other channels I'm willing to watch ads for.
Very interesting topic, thanks EC team. For anyone looking for more info about it the Eric Cline's "1177 BC" talk is a great and accessible summary of the likely causes of the Bronze Age collapse.
I gotta say, those first 15 seconds are among the best introductions ever to a historical piece. Have you guys ever considered writing actual history textbooks? The style in which you make these episodes would actually make them some of the least dry, easiest-to-learn-from history textbooks ever. Frankly, if I were ever stuck with being a History teacher, I'd assign the watching of some of these series as homework.
Bryce 0905 well when you have the Red Sea come crashing down on you that might weaken you a bit but don't worry he will get back up... Any minute now..
Hey there EC, I love your history vids, but I wanna correct one little thing: The Myceneans and the Minoans were two different civilizations, you presented them as one greek culture in your video which is not unexpected since for most of history greece had only one mayor culture, and the myceneans and minoans are alike. But here is the difference: Myceneans lived mainly on the mainland of Greece and western Anatolia, one of the largest Mycenean cities is Mycene, Mycenean cities were often fortified and their art and hierarchy suggests that it was a warrior culture, meaning the Mycenean upper class was a warrior class and they often had conflicts and fights. The Minoans lived mainly in Crete and the surrounding Islands, one of their biggest palaces was at Knossos, they were a culture of seafarers and merchants, their art focuses on sea trade, the bull, and fishing, and their kings seemed not particularly aggressive or capable warriors. The reason I know this is because I wrote my final report on this last year. Hope this was useful!
The Minoan collapse happened around 1,400 BC (possibly due to a volcanic eruption of Thera or even Mycenaean invasions or possibly some of the same reasons that triggered the Bronze Age collapse) so by the time of this video (1,200 BC) the Minoans had collapsed and the isles of the Aegean were controlled to a grater or lesser extent by the Mycenaeans.
There is some credence to suggest that the collapse of the great seafaring Minoans left a power vacuum/unprotected sea for the "Sea Peoples" to take advantage of whether they were foreign marauders or bands of unemployed soldiers who lost their jobs after the Treaty of Qadesh. To add to the matter, he didn't mention that this is the third time Egypt had had to pick up the pieces in their history. They had now been in the New Kingdom phase after kicking out the Hyksos, who brought advanced bronze working tech, horses, and chariots. Monumental projects were far less grandiose than those of the Old Kingdom, but their empire game was top notch.
As for those who reached my frontier, their seed is not, their heart and their soul are finished forever and ever. As for those who came forward together on the seas, the full flame was in front of them at the Nile mouths, while a stockade of lances surrounded them on the shore, prostrated on the beach, slain, and made into heaps from head to tail.
*islamists. UA-cam "islam caused dark ages". A more concrete example would be the video "What really caused the Dark Age? : A 1400 Year Secret (Dr Bill Warner)"
*islamists. UA-cam "islam caused dark ages". A more concrete example would be the video "What really caused the Dark Age? : A 1400 Year Secret (Dr Bill Warner)"
The timeline chronology has been changed... Islam and Christianity caused the Dark Age... 'Ancient Egypt' fell in the 1200 AD. and is currently occupied by Muslims... Muslims took Eastern Rome as well and the Christians took Western Rome and Europe...
This is my absolute favourite of your history series. The Bronze Age collapse is something most people have never even heard of, and I can't think why. I was only ever taught that ancient Egypt at one point encountered an invading force called the Sea Peoples, but never explained why they were there, or what was going on around at the time. I had to learn about it basically by myself when I read a series of fiction books that mentioned the Sea Peoples, and I incidentally discovered the collapse whilst looking them up. I don;t quite agree with your conclusion that the Sea People were a result of the other problems that contributed to the collapse.To make a longer, paper-worthy topic of an explanation short, I conclude based on the limited data that whoever the Sea Peoples were, they didn't exist within the trade economy of the bronze age civilisations. Yes, they could have, and the economic issues amongst other issues might have been what led them to raid other lands, but if this were so, then they might have suffered from the trade disruption, which would have meant that they were part of it to some capacity. If this were so, then why don't any of the surviving evidence tell us who they are? One doesn't usually trade with someone if they don't know who they are. Usually. I'm not saying you guys are wrong. Definitely not. But this collapse took place over a fairly long period of time (in terms of human life spans) so their appearance could well have been coincidence. But if it were opportunistic, then they would have to be familiar with the lands they assaulted well enough to recognise the internal struggles. I don't know, does anyone have ideas on this? Also Egypt had a great deal of salt, another major economic boon in the ancient world.
3:29 Is Thoth there because of Crash Course Mythology? Thoth is the best (He's the one on the right, typically depicted as a ibis or baboon. He's the god of writing).
Learning about these events like WW1 feels like listening to "Everywhere at the end of time". A deeply saddening experience when you know what comes after it
3:29 Missed opportunity to have Yu-Gi-Oh monsters on there. The same series that claimed the Shadow Games were responsible for the Bronze Age collapse.
@@markhenley3097 they were kicked out of syria to the gulf by the other kingdoms they WERE where you were talking about edit: yeah he pushed them way too east
hay im just finding you now and i have to say i love your stuff its engaging and verry insiteful i realy enjoy lestening to all of your content so thanks
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Well, no. Mycenean civilization collapsed to such an extent that the Greeks even lost knowledge of how to write for centuries. Greek culture really had to be rebuilt from the ground up.
So since Greece thought that those buildings were built by gods, they would obviously want to emulate them. Like European "classical" period of architecture.
your comment about tin scarcity is in the similar range with uranium really surprise me as i am currently working in a tin mining company, and indeed in some cases, we find tin bearing minerals associated with some rare earth element. Kuddos for reminding me that i need to study more :P
The four Bronze Age civilizations lived together in (relative) harmony... until the Sea People attacked.
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DO THE SPANISH INQUISITION. YOU PROMISED US IT IN THE THIRD SERIES.
Or maybe the sea people were one of the four civilizations.
And who are the Sea People?
I'm genuinely curious about this topic because pretty much nobody knows. It makes you wonder, you know?
also inb4 somebody says "it's Walpole, of course."
Sandy Addison or maybe it was Walpole Kappa
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You know this had me wondering. Why not brass? It's as strong as bronze, and is made with the much more common element zinc. As someone who enjoys learning about metallurgy I had to look it up. Apparently the ancients were well aware of zinc, but it was a huge hassle to refine from ore. The problem being that just smelting it with charcoal, zinc boils and evaporates at a lower temperature than it would reduce from zinc oxide. Brass had to be produced in small amounts in a crucible by allowing copper to absorb zinc vapor. As such brass was really only used for decoration, as it was too much work for bronze age technology to produce in useful quantities. Refining pure zinc didn't become possible until the 18th century. So there's why we didn't have a brass age.
It's people like you who make the comments section worthwhile.
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Thank you!
The melting point for zinc is about 300 degrees F higher than tin. That could be why...
In case anybody's been living under a rock, this is the series that almost all of the EH following has been waiting for since it was introduced to the schedule a half a year ago.
* bows down at the feet of whoever suggested the topic in the first place
Ikr, also, mfw I could have watched this yesterday but was too lazy to do so.
@DragoniteSpam
I was living under a rock (nous a patreon donor) but I still hoped for it, the bronze age collapse is so mind-blowing as an event.
bookman B. I feel that the Bronze Age collapse isn't as well studied as the fall of the Roman Empire.
how could this happen????????
Xbuttx Z Rome's collapse is studied extensively due to a few factors.
1) we know what happened. Barring a few mysteries, we generally know when, how and why Rome collapsed (Western Rome that is) thanks to scholars in the eastern empire, and monks and rulers (Like Charlemagne) in the west who would promote literature and keep records of past events.
2) Rome's collapse had a direct impact on European history, which in turn had a Major impact on modern day world history. Of course one would study that which pertains to us most of all.
3) Rome was bigger and more impactful on history, since Rome was THE empire to emulate. With codes of laws, Republicans, modern military structure, political beuracracy, and massive public works like Roads and Aquaducts.
*Now the Phoenicians can get down to business!*
Omg yas!!
Giffy_Mcgee you beat me to it :(
business:
doing trade
being cool
inventing the alphabet i guess
Why is my metal all lame and lumpy? Tired of using sad, lumpy metal? Well, now you can use *BRONZE*
Other Phoenician business:
Setting up a colony in the Western Mediterranean to be named Carthage
Fuck with Rome for a few hundred years
EH comes full circle.
holy crap, finally something on youtube about ancient history that isn't just conspiracy theories, it's frustratingly difficult to find actual facts on anything from before the classical period that isn't just straight up academic (that is, things that aren't just straight up journal articles published by universities)
More than just these cultures were affected by a collapse around this same time. This was also the end of the Harappa civilization in Pakistan, China was invaded by barbarians, north and central American building cultures suffered during this period. Something big was going on. It could very well have been climate related, something that made it difficult for non-agricultural people to maintain their livelihoods and compelled them to move in and attack wealthier agricultural civilizations. The Odyssey took place during this time (just after the Trojan war which was just before the collapse), and it's a story of a man making an enemy of Poseidon, and fighting his way through treacherous seas and winds (and weird islands) for twenty years.
It could very well have been a climatic event, like a volcanic eruption that changed global temperatures and weather patterns for a while (at least in the northern hemisphere). There was at least one in the world somewhere around that time, the Hekla eruption in Iceland, which has been considered as a candidate for a cause or contributing factor to this collapse.
Personally, what I find most interesting about this whole period is how much Greece changed, from the Achaean/Mycenaean civilization to the "Classical" Greek civilization after the intervening "Greek Dark Ages". Their art style completely changed, especially the depiction of people which were originally a bit cartoonish in a Sumerian/Babylonian way, their writing changed from the Linear B Minoan system of writing to their version of the Phoenician alphabet. They just became such a fundamentally different people... while still maintaining some language and cultural elements from the past. There's a major hypothesis about the later Greeks being northern invaders who then settled among the previous Greeks, something that also happened to some of the other places (the Harappa civilization was displaced by the arrival of the Vedic peoples, for example).
It makes me wonder who they were before. As far as I know the only surviving stories of their culture are the Iliad and the Odyssey, both written centuries later, in the Archaic period and most of the other parts of it were lost. Even from the Archaic period, only some of Homer's works and a few of Sappho's poems survived - considered the father and mother of literature (to the Greeks, and later to the Romans).
Harappa or Mohenjodaro or Indus Valley had an atomic war...
Interesting theories
I edmire your knowledge I agree with you,
As a history and mythology geek I totally get and support your theory in the end of mohenjo daro and stuff like that had a very violent end and yeah
Indus valley civilization is indian
5:53 - It would appear that you folks have made an error in your placement of the Assyrian Empire, putting it WAAAAY east of its position along the northern Tigris and Euphrates rivers. It's a minor error, I know, but I'm aware that you all want to be kept updated on any mistakes made.
Yes you are correct , I was wondering why no body saw it ?they must fix it , they basiclly put the Assyrians in Persia lol
i was already wondering myself why that looked a bit odd. Now i know why. They lade it look like nobody ruled anything in the middle.
Also, it isn't true that Egypt was destroyed. At least not completely. 'Bombed back into the Stone Age' maybe, but not fully destroyed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse
It's something that bothers me a little bit, but I guess this is also one point that will be clarified in their "Lies" episode and it is due to time issues. Well, we will see.
It's actually quite a relevant mistake.
Right now it looks like the Assyrians were some faroff nation who occasionally organized long journeys westward, through the barren wastelands of mesopotamia. Instead of being basically their next-door inland neighbour.
Actually they'd been in Mesopotamia for centuries by then, and Mesopotamia was and is far from barren.
Egyptians. Hittites. Assyrians. Myceneans. Long ago, these four Bronze Age civilizations lived together in a healthy system of trade, agriculture, and sometimes warfare. But then, everything changed when the Sea People attacked.
American Ronin LOL
American Ronin +
Only Walpole, master of all four nations, could stop them. But when the world needed him most, he vanished.
Why no one remeber the Troyans?
The sea people's could be Atlantis
All i can think about the Assyrians is how they appear in the fight with the most overpowered tool in the late bronze age.
Iron.
Logoncal Exactly. That's why they beat all the people around them so fast and managed to hold the largest stretching empire of their time frame. Oh, and they also had great tactics and were rich, thanks to trading with other wealthy people.
I’m Assyrian :)))))
And not for the reasons a lot of people think.
Late Bronze Weapons were actually better than Early Iron Weapons, due to the thousands of years of smithing behind it. But what gave Iron it’s advantage was it’s abundance. Because it’s was so common, and it wasn’t an alloy, the Assyrians could field massive armies for the time.
Logoncal they are the level 20 in a sea of 5s and 10s
Sorry, but weren't bronze weapons better than iron initially? Far as I recall, iron even breaks quicker than bronze.
As a french history teacher I found this very instructive as we barely never talk about what was before Archaïc greece. Thanks!
Fun fact: the name of copper and it's chemical symbol both come from Cyprus. In ancient times, copper was called Cyprium, which was bastardized by the Romans to Cuprum, (which is why copper is CU), which eventually became Copper
Cuppa.
Kuppa?
Koopa?
Well kyprium was already kuprium because greeks used to pronounce y as u
@@Bloodlyshiva Kappa.
Fun fact: 2 + 2 = 4
Is this a “FUN FACT” ??? 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I don't really comment on UA-cam all that often, but I just wanted to thank you guys for all of the extra history videos
ArrestedZeus well ya got alot of likes
I'm so happy this is covered. ive been interested in this since I studied Crete and was fascinated by the near total depopulation of the coastal regions and the near fortified cities in the mountains, also I really hope you mention how the Greeks literally forget how to read for about 4 centuries. that still boggles me.
Literacy was very low back then. If all the people die who know how to read and write, because it's such an extreme minority, well...
From what we know, the Minoans and the Mycenaens were different people with different governments. The Minoans faced an apocalyptic destruction when the local volcano of Santorini errupted, and destroyed everything in its wake, weakening the Minoans enough to allow the Mycenaens tocome out on top and conquer them. Santorini, also, used to be a completely round island until the volcano erruption transformed it into the shape it is today)
So you mean to say that we live in a post-apocalyptic world, and that the cause and details of the disaster are conveniently unknown?
I will now no longer criticize authors that lazily evade the nature of their apocalypse.
LOL
Remember this is the Bronze Age collapse, we still have another dark age after the western Roman Empire went down. Two apocalypses.
@@anaussie213 The collapse of Western Rome doesn't compare. Italy was still urbanized and still had literacy - the Germanic invaders did want to reap the benefits of settled civilization. Eastern Rome and Mesopotamia were fine. India and China were also fine.
@@anaussie213
The only thing that happened with rome is that names on a map changed. The actual experience of most individuals in europe improved after the collapse.
@@dingusdangus1790 That is false
Its tin from the tin lands
(My seller wont tell me where)
the term is actually "dealer" ;-)
Hint: you have to go past the Pillars of Hercules.
Can someone tell me wha this is a reference to? The more details the better
This is a reference to the history of the entire world (i guess)
@@kingslushie1018 Bill Wurtz's 'the entire history of the world (i guess)'
People who think Egypt is a lifeless desert are in denial of de Nile...
I'll see myself out.
Aight get out
Stop.
That was good
hahahahahah!
The Nile is OP
I really love the drawn "horses", it makes me giggle every time because they look more like lamma/alpacca than horses...Imagine ancient egypts, preparing their chariots with lammas
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can i
magine horses looked quite different then.
Lol, now I wanna see a llama chariot race now
Llama, not lamma
that would be physically impossible! llamas only lived in the americas
I suddenly, but quite explicably want to go back and play the original Age of Empires again...
The announcement of Age of Empires Definitive Edition last week may also be a factor for that urge :P
Titan Quest. :)
I actually found it at target in a bargain bin recently. Totally bought it
I know this _isn't_ one of their sponsored series, but wow this would have been perfect fodder for sponsorship considering it's coming right on the heels of Age of Empires 1's 20th anniversary. I am *so* excited for the Definitive Edition to come out! (Or hopefully get into the beta before then…)
The 50 population limit and the lack of formation commands
Probably the 50 population limit
Bad
So bad
AH THE THROWBACKS
or they had to sacrifice the workers in order to get the new tech
Its true. The Iron Age people had a 200 population limit, but the Bronze age were stuck at 50.
This was probably one of the most interesting podcasts/animated series that I never thought I needed to hear. Bravo!
0:18 Ah yes, the famous and mysterious history of the Bronce Age
It’s says collapse
@@Yourlocalanglosaxon I know that.
YES!!!!!!!!!
Finally, a UA-cam video on the Bronze Age Collapse that isn't a documentary from the 90's or a lecture from a history professor.
I love this. Thank you for doing a series on this turning point in Human history.
Four civilizations lived in peace, until the Fire Nation attacked.
Iron Studios Egyptians are obviously Earth benders.
Beta greeks were Water Benders
Hittites and Egyptians rival Earth Benders. Hittites got tin, Egypt got limestone.
@@kalvincastro9042 and Mesopotamians were Air Benders
This is sort of like a big game of Civilization. When you introduced the players, it felt like a leader description. Is it just me?
With the whole "advantages and political situation" I was waiting for the screen to say "choose your civilization"
Not just you, I felt it too hah.
Can you build a civilization that will stand the test of time?
The old board game Civilization was based on showing the development of these empires. The computer game it inspired decided to go more free-form.
Got some Age of Empires vibes myself :)
There you are, playing warships in your simulator, and all of the sudden, you're a Sea People.
We'll all be Sea People in the coming years...
Indus Valley: "Notice me. I fell too!"
river valley*
Nah tin comes from the faraway lands of Tinland(?)
I dont know, my dealer wont tell me where he gets it
Shaun Eng My dealer won't tell me where he gets it from
My dealer gets his stash from the faroff merchant state of Tinesia.
Shaun Eng
call it england the tin land
nah from the mountains of afghan which the assyrians got it from
None of the players noticed their empires were unhappy, so a load of barbarians spawned and burned down all the civilizations.
Mystery solved.
Your city needs more food
Unfortunately, the "sea people" were islamists, and a simple youtube search of "dark ages collapse islam" should provide enough information about that. By the way, the golden ages of islam came just a bit after the bronze age collapse turned into the dark ages for most of the civilized world.
Sapioit
You're joking, right? The islamic religion didn't even exist, hell Christianity did not even exist at this time, how the hell would they have been the cause of the collapse pray tell?
I think you're confusing the Dark Ages with the Bronze Age Collapse.
The Bronze Age Collapse happened in 1150 B.C/B.C.E before even Christianity existed, the Dark Ages happened after the Fall Of Rome in 5th century A.D and Islam only began 200 years after that. You should do more research.
Yeah... that doesn't make any sense
First off, Islam wouldn't appear in a couple thousand years
Second off, for the most part the conquering Muslims tended to respect and protect the cultures and knowledge in the lands they conquered, preserving pre-Muslim Egypt's libraries, painstakingly preserving the Greek and Roman classics, and learning from the Hindu texts
Dear Extra Credits team
I see your transition from games to history, and I must say that I really like your content. You already have told almost all the things that can be said about gamedev, and it is okay. Sometimes the video about gaming appears, and this is cool.
I love how you talk about history. When I watch them I feel as a part of this ever changing world...
Keep up a good work!
Oh gosh, when you learn more about history on a UA-cam channel in minimal time versus School. I'm grateful for this series!!
Fantastic series! I wish we knew and had more from these great civilizations!
How to sum it up:
Well there's the Bronze age colapse....
*NOW THE PHOENICIANS CAN GET DOWN TO BUSINESS!*
•doing Trade
•Being cool
•Inventing The Alphabet i guess
They didn't really invent the alphabet. They took it from the canaanean alphabet which took it from cuneiform scripts. History is usually complicated
if anyone didn't catch the reference... watch?v=xuCn8ux2gbs&t=362 :-B
Was scrolling for a Bill Wurtz reference
I'm betting money on that it was cause by Walpole.
No one is going to bet against you. It's ALWAYS walpole.
Aegix Drakan
Walpole isn't responsible for everything, he just has a hand in everything.
Sealand Ball in lies
Of course, he wasn't known as Walpole yet. That's just one of his many incarnations/identities.
nope, it was the Go'auld
I am hooked on your Series. I had saw them for months, but didn't think much to look. One day I saw a series you had that might interest me. I watched all 4 parts and got HOOKED! Keep making them!
For some reason I have a plethora of videos on the Bronze Age Collapse in my feed lately. This is one of the most understandable of them, and I appreciate that it's broken up into manageable chunks (as you are prone to do).
I love the sphinx with the classic EH face--- I'd like to see a Mona Lisa with the same derpy expression XD
You mean like what Mr. Bean did with it?
Lol
david Jung I 'd loved him more if the prick Napoleon didn't break his nose by shooting canons polts at him for whatever reason
I love how scarce the information about the Brozen Age is, it makes things mysterious and interesting.
Jared Prymont that mystery and human difference has always made history my favourite subject.
EC> history channel
Just waiting for "The alien collapse - |: Anti-gravity - Extra Credits" xD
Sexy Tomato Just wait for James to prove that Ancient Aliens were actually subservient to Walpole. It was Walpole.
This is like comparing an old stubborn donkey to a next-gen racecar in a race.
Anything better than the History Channel
Ever heard of Viasat History? Unlike History Channel this one actually stay true to the title.
Been watching and listening to your channel for about a year now. Love the channel. Love the story-telling narration. You guys are one of very very very few other channels I'm willing to watch ads for.
It all collapsed because of Ea Nasir's inferior copper ingots.
7:07
Mycenaeans: The Ancap's Nightmare.
I mean, as long as they are not public...
Every time they make a dark Souls reference or something like that, I want them to do a lore video.
Very interesting topic, thanks EC team. For anyone looking for more info about it the Eric Cline's "1177 BC" talk is a great and accessible summary of the likely causes of the Bronze Age collapse.
I gotta say, those first 15 seconds are among the best introductions ever to a historical piece. Have you guys ever considered writing actual history textbooks? The style in which you make these episodes would actually make them some of the least dry, easiest-to-learn-from history textbooks ever.
Frankly, if I were ever stuck with being a History teacher, I'd assign the watching of some of these series as homework.
The Mycenaeans conquered the Minoans of Crete, the Minoans were another great Bronze- Age civilisation, which you did not mention.
and the Romans annihilated the Carthaginians...
and, i think Egypt repelled the Phoenicians and crippled them badly
Jackson Paul oh really? I did not know about that... Very interesting
Jackson Paul oh really? I did not know about that... Very interesting
Yeah but the Minoic period was long gone when the Bronze Age came to an end.There is no point in mentioning them.
Walpole: Can I interest you in stock for the Sea Peoples Trading Company?
Hmm . . .very tempting.
Mister Walpole, have you ever considered investing into the Shang Dynasty?
Would you like to make a trade agreement with England?
South Sea People Company
Best. Topic. Ever.
*sighs*
Fine.
*opens civ 5*
Remember to not underestimate the austrian navy.
*gets nuked by Gandhi*
I have watched this at school today and I want to watch it again!
SO glad you had a great time watching it!
By far my favorite Extra series
Well technically Egypt and the Assyrians managed to fight off the sea people but then Ramses died and Egypt collapsed with no one being able to rule.
The sea peoples were from Atlantis
Bryce 0905 well when you have the Red Sea come crashing down on you that might weaken you a bit but don't worry he will get back up... Any minute now..
I blame the Jedi for this.
What did the clone trooper say to the youngling? Good soldiers fallow orders.
Hey there EC, I love your history vids, but I wanna correct one little thing:
The Myceneans and the Minoans were two different civilizations, you presented them as one greek culture in your video which is not unexpected since for most of history greece had only one mayor culture, and the myceneans and minoans are alike.
But here is the difference: Myceneans lived mainly on the mainland of Greece and western Anatolia, one of the largest Mycenean cities is Mycene, Mycenean cities were often fortified and their art and hierarchy suggests that it was a warrior culture, meaning the Mycenean upper class was a warrior class and they often had conflicts and fights.
The Minoans lived mainly in Crete and the surrounding Islands, one of their biggest palaces was at Knossos, they were a culture of seafarers and merchants, their art focuses on sea trade, the bull, and fishing, and their kings seemed not particularly aggressive or capable warriors.
The reason I know this is because I wrote my final report on this last year.
Hope this was useful!
The Minoan civilization fell shortly before the collapse though.
The Minoan collapse happened around 1,400 BC (possibly due to a volcanic eruption of Thera or even Mycenaean invasions or possibly some of the same reasons that triggered the Bronze Age collapse) so by the time of this video (1,200 BC) the Minoans had collapsed and the isles of the Aegean were controlled to a grater or lesser extent by the Mycenaeans.
The dating for Thera doesn't add up well with the dating for Minoan collapse, so that theory is now being rejected.
Jason Schneijder mycenians were influenced by minoans
There is some credence to suggest that the collapse of the great seafaring Minoans left a power vacuum/unprotected sea for the "Sea Peoples" to take advantage of whether they were foreign marauders or bands of unemployed soldiers who lost their jobs after the Treaty of Qadesh.
To add to the matter, he didn't mention that this is the third time Egypt had had to pick up the pieces in their history. They had now been in the New Kingdom phase after kicking out the Hyksos, who brought advanced bronze working tech, horses, and chariots. Monumental projects were far less grandiose than those of the Old Kingdom, but their empire game was top notch.
Love your channel!! Subbed and Binge watching!!
This is my favourite Extra history series.
This would be a great setting for a total war game
Didn't you play the bronze age mod of RTW1 yet?
Spoiler alert:
It was Walpole
Vincent S. it's always walpole
When is it never not me? ;)
I haven't not seen when it isn't not Walpole.
Liam White even the punic wars he was in it
kingdom of dank kush
This may be the best set of videos on UA-cam
Thank you Dan Shive for sending me to Extra Credits! I love these guys! 💕
Total War: Bronze Age/Trojan War. Come on, Sega! You owe us after Rome 2!
came true
Your dream comes true now
No mention of the mysterious Sea People?
Oh they'll be here! We're just seeding the antici...
...pation
Antti Björklund Not The Sea People!! That bane of 1177BCE :P
The Sea People were actually Underwater Archaeologists... (seeing if anyone gets my reference)
As for those who reached my frontier, their seed is not, their heart and their soul are finished forever and ever. As for those who came forward together on the seas, the full flame was in front of them at the Nile
mouths, while a stockade of lances surrounded them on the shore, prostrated on the beach, slain, and made into heaps from head to tail.
long ago the four nations lived together in harmony but this all changed when the Assyrians attacked...
*islamists. UA-cam "islam caused dark ages". A more concrete example would be the video "What really caused the Dark Age? : A 1400 Year Secret (Dr Bill Warner)"
*islamists. UA-cam "islam caused dark ages". A more concrete example would be the video "What really caused the Dark Age? : A 1400 Year Secret (Dr Bill Warner)"
+Sapioit Dude islam didnt even close to being existed in thousands of years ago; neither judaism nor christianity
The timeline chronology has been changed... Islam and Christianity caused the Dark Age... 'Ancient Egypt' fell in the 1200 AD. and is currently occupied by Muslims... Muslims took Eastern Rome as well and the Christians took Western Rome and Europe...
as far as i know, it was the egyptians that attacked the assyrians and not the other way around.
I really like your approach. The pacing, the art, the tone, and the content are superb.
0:20 Bronce Age? Never heard of that one.
Sea people did it before Vikings made it look cool.
El Bandito the sea people probably were vikings
@@ObjectiveAnalysis nope
Jax who do you think were then?
The Dark Souls reference in the beginning made me giddy. Dark Souls and history together, I couldn't be happier.
Praise the sun
this video series always makes me want to play some civilization
This is my absolute favourite of your history series. The Bronze Age collapse is something most people have never even heard of, and I can't think why. I was only ever taught that ancient Egypt at one point encountered an invading force called the Sea Peoples, but never explained why they were there, or what was going on around at the time. I had to learn about it basically by myself when I read a series of fiction books that mentioned the Sea Peoples, and I incidentally discovered the collapse whilst looking them up.
I don;t quite agree with your conclusion that the Sea People were a result of the other problems that contributed to the collapse.To make a longer, paper-worthy topic of an explanation short, I conclude based on the limited data that whoever the Sea Peoples were, they didn't exist within the trade economy of the bronze age civilisations.
Yes, they could have, and the economic issues amongst other issues might have been what led them to raid other lands, but if this were so, then they might have suffered from the trade disruption, which would have meant that they were part of it to some capacity. If this were so, then why don't any of the surviving evidence tell us who they are? One doesn't usually trade with someone if they don't know who they are. Usually.
I'm not saying you guys are wrong. Definitely not. But this collapse took place over a fairly long period of time (in terms of human life spans) so their appearance could well have been coincidence.
But if it were opportunistic, then they would have to be familiar with the lands they assaulted well enough to recognise the internal struggles.
I don't know, does anyone have ideas on this?
Also Egypt had a great deal of salt, another major economic boon in the ancient world.
Love the art work, as well as the videos. I'm just really liking the art. :D
woooo goddamn ive been so excited for this!!!!!
OOOOOHHHH THis is GOING TO BE GOOODDD
3:29 Is Thoth there because of Crash Course Mythology? Thoth is the best (He's the one on the right, typically depicted as a ibis or baboon. He's the god of writing).
I never even knew about these events or this period (not the bronze age itself, just the sudden fall), before this. Man I love this series.
Learning about these events like WW1 feels like listening to "Everywhere at the end of time". A deeply saddening experience when you know what comes after it
I’m Assyrian and I’m sad that there’s only 3 million of us left in the world :(
Stalin killed a lot in 36 and 37
Except (AS)Syria IS Still There!
Get more children
The Reaper invasion couldn't be stopped. Bronze Age didn't have Sheperd...
7:44
Sword isn't coiled, no bones in ash.
CASUL
Thanks UA-cam for recommending this in COVID-19 full swing! Very lifting!
I love that you used the Axis and Allies factory pieces for industry illustration
0:21 'Bronce Age'
Thumbnail looking like they put the new forgis on the jeep
Now the Phoenicians can get down to business.
To defeat the Hittites
Hwah!
Until that pesky Neo-Assyria comes along and spoils the party for everyone.
I love that you used the ActRaiser theme. I loved that little angel sim-city game.
This is a fantastic channel.
Thank you bronze age memes for bringing me here
But do you know what I like a lot more than bronze crafted weaponry?
*K N O W L E D G E*
Top 10 The Bronze Jade
Your friends make the 100 day videos so much better
This really brought the chapter in my history book to life, thanks!
3:29 Missed opportunity to have Yu-Gi-Oh monsters on there. The same series that claimed the Shadow Games were responsible for the Bronze Age collapse.
You put the Assyrian Empire way too much to the East, where the Persian Gulf is. In reality, it bordered Egypt and the Hittites.
Prins van Oranje
Assyria was in northern Iraq, Southern Turkey, not Egypt!
Assyria was... in Syria
@@LionKing-ew9rm The map in this video shows them in the Persian Gulf, which definitely isn't true.
@@markhenley3097 they were kicked out of syria to the gulf by the other kingdoms they WERE where you were talking about
edit: yeah he pushed them way too east
G E K O L O N I S E E R D
What about the Indus Valley Civilization?!
Blue King Gaming this civilization collapse long before this era .
It's also nowhere close by.
For now, we assume that nomads from the caucasus doing the job.
What about it?
Partly due to over-exploitation of the environment. The rest? Eh, welll ... (scratching head)
hay im just finding you now and i have to say i love your stuff its engaging and verry insiteful i realy enjoy lestening to all of your content so thanks
Those notes from Actraiser in the intro got me. Amazing channel!
Wait, so we went from D-day, to bronze age collapse? I'm kinda confused.
+Larry coldcut The D-Day series is an extra, sponsored show and it's not finished quite yet! Our last "true" series (as determined by Patreon supporters) was the Articles of Confederation, which we wrapped up last weekend. This is the next patron-chosen series! --Belinda
+Extra Credits ohhh, ok.
so the Myceneans are basically the ancestors of The Ancient Greece? surely their architecture looked similar...
AsHalt I agree, that's what I thought
Well, no. Mycenean civilization collapsed to such an extent that the Greeks even lost knowledge of how to write for centuries.
Greek culture really had to be rebuilt from the ground up.
AsHalt Ya they were beta Greeks
So since Greece thought that those buildings were built by gods, they would obviously want to emulate them. Like European "classical" period of architecture.
Ростислав Несисюк is that a fact?
Maybe the bronze age is the friends we met all along
your comment about tin scarcity is in the similar range with uranium really surprise me as i am currently working in a tin mining company, and indeed in some cases, we find tin bearing minerals associated with some rare earth element. Kuddos for reminding me that i need to study more :P
who is this narrator his voice sound so calming please do more of extra history you really did a good job my friend
thank you