2 Clicks Out: Ducati Scrambler Suspension Setup
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
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On a visit to A&S Motorcycles in Roseville, CA we took the opportunity to shoot a piece on the Ducati Scrambler. A couple of minor tweaks improve the handling performance dramatically.
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Hi Dave. I weigh about 70kg and have taken about 5kg of weight out of my Scrambler Icon via titanium exhausts and removal of some extra bits. I made the fork adjustments you mention in this video and had adjusted the rear preload accordingly as well.
OH MY WORD! Huge difference! Thank you! The bike turns much, much faster now and feels a lot flatter than I could have ever suspected on the OEM suspension. The rebound is still a bit off from the factory front to rear however this has made the bike another beast.
I am so glad someone with your experience is giving such great content to the world! If you are ever in San Diego or Socal track events I'd love to thank you in person!
Good morning Ian. Thanks for the kind words and taking the time to make the adjustments and start your journey into making your Ducati your own. Next up ergonomics, then tire pressure testing (videos in the channel)
Hi Dave . I have a Ducati urban enduro , and I wanted to put a rear shock of a desert sled to lift my bikes rear . Will that ruin the stability of the bike . Will 3,5 cm lift shorten the wheel point of contact thus making the bike unstable . ? Or wil l it just make it more nimble in the corners with out dangering the ride ... thank you
Hi Dave,
you suggest to lower the front of 4.5mm and a static sag of 10-15mm at the back to get a better balance.
Is it also possible to use an longer shock to increase the back to get the the same balance ?
The original shock is about 296mm lenght, with stroke 58,5 mm.
If I use a shock with 300 mm length, with stroke 58,5 mm ; i think the back is geting higher about 10mm ; is this OK ?
Which lenght did you you recommend ?
Or do I get other disadvantages with an longer shock ?
Yes it is possible to use a longer shock IF you can get the static sag needed.
Thank you! Please do more with this bike! I'd love to see if there's any way to get more travel for light off road, or even stock suggested settings for off road.
I will ask to see if someone local will allow us to do a little experiment for on and off road.
That would be awesome, I'm in Orange County, I'd volunteer my bike but I think you're in the Bay Area?
Hi Dave,
you suggest to lower the front of 4.5mm and a static sag of 10-15mm at the back to get a better balance.
Is it also possible to use a longer shock to increase the back to get the the same balance ?
The original shock is about 296mm lenght, with stroke 58,5 mm.
If I use a shock with 300 mm length, with stroke 58,5 mm ; i think the back is geting higher about 10mm ; is this OK ?
Which lenght did you you recommend ?
Or do I get other disadvantages with an longer shock?
Best regards
Wolfgang
Hi Wolfgang. Yes you can get a longer shock. You have to check swing arm angle with the bike at rest is 10 degrees (no rear paddock stand)
how do you adjust the front? ive got the dark icon model
Thank you for the video. When you say “go up” do you mean to tighten/increase the tension or lower the tension by loosening the shock?
Up means increase preload and that in turn will optimize static sag.
@@catalystreactionsbw Thank you for clarifying. I appreciate it.
Hi Dave, I'm 160lbs and 5'10". I own the Scrambler Italia Independent. Does the setup in this video work for the Italia version? I'm asking because the front has a different setup compared to the stock Scrambler. Also curious if doing only the rear adjustment is ok or do both the front and rear need to be adjusted together? Thanks in advance.
You would adjust front and rear together every time to get the best out of both and balance your bike. The set up information would be similar, but you need to add in weight, ability, roads and climate.
Hi, I'm riding a Scrambler Classic and would like to test your suggestions.
Does the commended 6,5mm include the silver caps of the fork ?
The measure of my fork is 4,5mm including the caps. That would mean to add 2mm.
That seems not really much to me, but maybe it is...
Depending on your weight and skills level, start at 7.5mm total, then 9.5mm total
Hi Dave, I'm back with another question after changing the rear to a Ohlins DU 605. What Spring Preload do you recommend? How many clicks from 0 position? Also, Do you agree with Ohlins with having 5-15mm static/free sag and 25-35mm rider sag? I'm 5'10", 160lbs with gear, ride city streets, highways only. No off roading or track. Also, I changed the front stock spring to a Ohlins FSK 113 with full synthetic fork oil. I'm not sure if this matters since there's no adjustability on the fork caps but thought I'd mention it. Thanks in advance, Pete.
Set static to 12-15mm, then see how much travel you get with compression at 10 clicks out.
@@catalystreactionsbw Thank you!
@@catalystreactionsbw Hi Dave, I've been adjusting/riding/adjusting based on your recommendations and here's where I'm at right now. Rear static sag set to 15 mm (we have really bad roads here and I was getting tossed up a lot off my seat when hitting bumps so 10-12 mm wasn't cutting it). Rebound dampening set to 15 clicks out. I also dropped the front end to 6 mm as per your suggestion in this video and did it ever make a difference?? Love my bike that much more! I wanted to ask, if dropping it another 2 mm on the front would make it even better? I did read the comments below and I see you gave a wider range. My handlebars are pretty much straight on my Italia, so a lower riding position compared to other Scrambler models but I love how that feels, bike pulls me more forward and is more agile. Thank you again for all that you do, to make our bikes better and thereby making us safer out there.
@@Mr.Be93 Great work! Yes you can try another 2mm as a test so ride diligently to assess the positives and negatives!
How much lower can the suspension go from the factory setting? I'm interested in the Scrambler but I'm a short rider. My inseam is no more than 28 inches from crotch to the ground so seat height is an issue. Other short riders say they adjust it to the lowest setting and along with a lowered seat they can comfortably ride. I also don't weigh much (115lbs) and the suspension doesn't even seem to move when I sit on the bike.
You can put the preload all the way down, then lower the triple clamps 10mm to make sure the bike is flat and that is very important. A seat is great too as part of the overall package. That will get your feet much more planted.
Thanks!
Hi Dave! Im a newbie in the motorcycle world. I own a 2022 Ducati Scrambler Icon Dark and I want to know if you can give me some tips to improve the suspension setting on my motorcycle. My height is 5’5” and I weight around 160lbs. I want to lower my bike a little because im a shorter rider and fix the rear sag. I live in Puerto Rico and we have a lots of turns around here lol! Any recommendations would be great. Thanks!
You can set preload on the rear shock to minimum and then lower the forks by 8mm: ua-cam.com/video/5o6V8ST72i0/v-deo.html. This will get your feet closer to the ground. Then set your ergonomics correctly to you are comfortable.
How did you come up with 6.5mm being the desired distance between the triple clamp and the top of the fork legs? Is this trial and error for this particular model or some kind of universal rule of thumb?
It is trial and error as the exact position is what feels best to the rider
As far as a process, you move +2 mm above and -2mm below stock position with no changes to the rear shock length.
Hi, I'm 6'1" 187lb
I maxed out on the rear shock(which is only one notch from factory)
And went down 6mm on the forks.i have to say it did feel different. It seems to pull me forward, which definitely help when turning, and with my lower back.
More tips and suggestions please!!
Mark bottom out to assess what travel you are using and change fork position +/- 2mm form where you are now. Also assess tire pressures and go above and below what you are using now to find your optimal pressure.
Thank for your reply. Concerning the rear shock, I've managed to get the static sag down to 10mm by going to the top step of preload. However once I sit on the bike geared up, l get about 60mm rider sag. Am I right in saying the spring is too soft for my weight?
@@stevieg7403 For sure. What's your weight, geared up? The stock shock/spring is pretty soft in general, which is why many Scrambler owners start there with upgrades.
Thanks Dave, client for our Misano tour had a question about this.
Hi Dave, Im 6'2, 185lbs, should I set my suspension and fork height exactly as in this video as well? Thank you.
You should and then go one notch higher on shock preload to see if that works better for you. I would also suggest that you adjust the bars closer to and away from you to see what position fits you best.
Thanks!
Hi. Great video thanks.
I am 5ft4" and about 175lbs in my gear.
Have raised the forks to 10mm and set max pre-load on the shock (had been minimum to allow for my height). Also installed Icon bars on my FTP.
The bike always handled well on good roads but is now better on our rough English tarmac where I am often 'dodging bullets' (don't go off-road at all).
Do my adjustments seem OK to you Dave?
The fact that you took the time to make the bike your own is 90% of the journey, so what you have done makes perfect sense due to the conditions of the roads at home. Now you have the hard work done, next is finding the right tire pressure for your bike, pace and roads. Start at 44 front and rear and bring it down in 2psi increments to 36/36. Why? The tires are 20% of your suspension, so a little more testing is in order :)
@@catalystreactionsbw Thanks for your reply. Only maxed out the pre-load on Friday so I will get used to that and then do as you advise.
@@catalystreactionsbw Hi Dave. Have fitted the Hyperpro Street Box. Rear of the bike much better. Front now chatters over the small stuff and doesn't seem to be any better generally. I still have the front dropped as you suggested for the original suspension. Could this be causing the problem?
@@xt225 Try 5w fork oil in the right leg and 10-15win the left leg That took all the chatter out of the bike I experimented on.
@@catalystreactionsbw not done that but dropped the front tyre pressure and went for a long ride (300 miles). Much better. Thanks for your help Dave.
This is going to fun for me, been looking at the scramble sixty2 but at 110kg and 177cm I am worried the geometry will be out a lot.
Geometry is a function of sag as much as fork position so yes, you will have fun!
What about the Desert Sled?
It is a bit on the downside on the rear too.
Would you let the fork of it a bit down, too?
I would ride it and raise/lower the forks, then soften and stiffen the shock to assess geoimetry. We did a review on the sled: ua-cam.com/video/wSbmvpWLQhc/v-deo.html
Thanks a lot!
I had seen that video and just watched it again.
Very good explanation of the used parts, their function and the bike´s geometry.
But I hoped for some recommandations for the setup of the Desert Sled. :o )
Great work so, keep it up!
I will see if I can get my hands on one to test and then be able to post a review for owners like yourself.
Hi again Dave, that would be a blast! :o )
Would love a Desert Sled in-depth setup video too! I'm planning to upgrade my stock components to Matris stuff in the near future.
Hi Dave, I have an icon and I'm 80 kg with gear on.
Can you advise me what the ideal setting is please.
Thanks Joe
Depends what types of roads you ride and how aggressive you are. Move the preload 2 above and then 2 below stock. What was best for you?
dave hi , i wanted to lift my urban enduro can i put a longer rear shock ?and how hi can i go ? 1cm 2cm 3cm 4cm /
?
If you want to lift it you can only go so much because the shock will not fit AND your swing arm angle will be dangerous. Most would be 1cm, then you would need to change fork position as well to balance the chassis. The higher you go the more you lift the engine too and that takes away grip so the bike wanders. Be very careful please.
Hi Master, it is normal 45-47 mm for chain upward adjustment in scrambler café racer? Thnks
35-40mm is normal for track use and 40mm for race use. 47mm is usually reserved for long travel suspension like the Multistrada
@@catalystreactionsbw thanks master. I asked you, because it is write in manual and for me 45 - 47 mm seems to be excessive :-(
bleh purchased a classic with different handlebar from stock so my riding position with lowest preload is still front heavy. ordered higher handlebar so hopefully this will level the weight out.
You can also change the fork position to move the balance point backwards slightly.
hope you ll do ducati scrambler 1100 also
Hi Dave, Have the Cafe Racer version- any suggestions on good shop I can take it to in the San Francisco Bay area to have this done? thanks
Desmoto or Tokyo Moto in SF or Motor Cafe in Sunny vale.
@@catalystreactionsbw Thanks - Spoke with a shop about installing a spring and cap kit for $250 but by the time it's all said and done I'll be looking around $600-$700 range, not sure I like this motorcycle enough to invest in it..
Hello Dave, awesonme videos you're putting out there! Have you had the chance to work on the MT-10/FZ-10?
They are the same as the R1 in regards to suspension tuning and internal engineering in the forks and shock.
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. This the link to our R1 video. ua-cam.com/video/GovzywLZZ9Q/v-deo.html
cheers!
great video as always. have you worked on a 2016 fz09? do you have a video, free or charge, I'd love to see. keep up the great work
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. A 2015 FZ 09 is the 3rd of 3 naked bikes in this video. ua-cam.com/video/tA1JiKCuwYU/v-deo.html. I don't recall the bikes being demonstrably different from '14 - '16. I believe the '17 model has some suspension upgrades.
Not a 2016, but all previous bikes have VERY soft forks and shocks so anyone over 160lb who rides wel would bottom everything out.
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thanks! yeah, I'm 180. no track days for me, but I have adjusted a few times, and feel like I'm running out . switching over from dirt bike background to street, I probably keep it a bit softer than most. thanks for the reply
Take the shock preload all the way up to the highest setting and close the shock rebound clockwise. That will help.
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I'll give it a try. thanks for the reply
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I did experience tank slap with the cafe racer, I did set the preload on max but I still experience it. What can I do?
See how much travel you are using first. With the rear spring at full tension you may be bottoming the forks. If so, stronger fork springs would be needed to bring the chassis back to flat.
@@catalystreactionsbw thank you, will try that!
Nice video info, do you have "how to" video on suspension set up on Duc monster?
which model Monster? Please email me dave@davemosstuning.com
2015 821
www.rideforever.co.nz/news-articles-and-reviews/ride-on-ducati-monster-821-and-1200/
What was the rider weight this setup was done for? Also, the showroom evaluations videos were great, would love to see more like it in the future! Perhaps the new Street Triple? :)
The rider weight was 160lbs for the Scrambler. We would love to do another showroom series in the future too!
Thanks man. great Vid!
Thank for watching!
nice one dave
I need to check my bike now 😅