Kakashi VS Gojo | The Honest Truth
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- In this video, I go over Kakashi Hatake from Naruto Shippuden and put him up against Gojo Satoru from Jujutsu Kaisen and determine who would win in a fight based on their abilities, how strong they are, speed, and much more. How does Gojo's Limitless / Infinity Technique work? Could Kakashi defeat Gojo with Kamui? Can Kakashi even get through Gojo's Infinity? and many more questions answered and explained.
(Includes information from Naruto, Naruto Shippuden, Jujutsu Kaisen (Prior to 6/01/2022), Naruto Databooks 1 - 4, the Naruto Fanbook, Jujutsu Kaisen Fanbook / Databook, and interviews with Gege Akutami. Also goes over Dual Mangekyo Sharingan Kakashi and Six Eyes Gojo respectively)
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I’m glad you mentioned Zeno’s paradox. Everyone has ignored Gojo’s reference of it on ch.69 and it has been my go to argument to how infinity works. Good work Seth.
69 nice 👍
The only issue with this video is 'smart females that ground the story' 🤣. Can you remind me how Sakura decided to try and get sasuke back again? Or that she insulted an orphan to an orphan? How is she smart?
@@bigruckus8664 let it go lmao she’s done more help then harm, rewatch the series if you need to.
@@williamm.653 no not even close
@@williamm.653 nah sakura is garbage. Manga sakura in boruto is getting better. But shes just mad annoying in naruto. Would much rather not have her in naruto
I like how Gojos ability is called Limitless, but is based on the concept of a mathematical limit in an equation, where the number comes close, but can never touch.
I'm pretty sure that's just called "being infinitesimally close"
@@sleepingalligator no its called a limit or asymptote
@@InquirerAshen ok. but that doesn't mean if you take a limit of X with X~>Y, Y won't be infinitesimaly close to Y, but never become Y.
@@InquirerAshen asymptote is what you get closer to not the action of getting closer
@@עילאיגנון-ו6ד notice the use of the noun "being" instead of a verb like "getting" in the reply before mine.
For anyone who’s curious, here’s the concept behind Gojos power, Riemanns Theoy, explained as simply as possible: if you take an expression like y=1/x and substitute numbers for x, increasing the value for x will cause the value for y to decrease. For example, 1/2,1/3,1/4…,1/999… (or 0.1,0.01,0.001…,0.000000001…) as x approaches infinity it will get infinitely closer to but never actually reach 0. So in the case of Gojo’s power, y is the distance between himself and whatever he is repelling, and x is the distance the object has moved towards him. This is called a limit, you would say the limit of y=1/x is 0, and this is one of the fundamental concepts of calculus. It’s really cool to see real math/science concepts make it into an anime like this. Hope this helped anyone who came to the comments confused!
I’m just more confused now lol
@@briggsyuyi7603 You can increase the number of slices in a pizza by cutting tinier slices, but no matter how many times you do this, you will never have a pizza slice with a width of zero mm
@@pr0l0gue oh thanks I think I get it now
@@pr0l0gue exactly. I should’ve said “explained as simply as possible *with math” lol
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When you come to see who would win in a verses battle but instead get a Algebra 2 lesson
After the newest JJK chapters, I think it's safe to say Kakashi wins. Sukuna was able to find the weakness of Gojo's Infinity and kill him, which he did by cutting the space itself, which is literally what Kamui is, so it really is just a very unfortunate matchup disadvantage Gojo has that causes him to lose.
Well it seems like anyone who doesn’t have a jujutsu technique that would allow them to actually bypass it would still lose. What does kakashi have that would bypass it? There could be something but I’m not as knowledgeable about naruto so do you have more insight on it? Sukuna wins simply because he also is a jujutsu sorcerer and jujutsu is often used to counter other jujutsu. So gojo is even more op to most characters outside of JJK other than like the real super powerful characters. I’m not even sure Goku could beat him unless we think that his instant transmission could be used to bypass infinity which is possible maybe… not sure
@@tehCostHD again, Kamui bypasses Infinity and one shots Gojo.
why is this debate even a thing when the author himself confirmed kakashi is stronger @@tehCostHD
@@ericyang6384no dude that was confirmed to be a lie check it
@@tehCostHDno need to take it so serious when your fav anime is weaker than other anime, just chill.
Harvard is definitely calling bro after watching this video 💀
Great video Seth honestly would love more JJK stuff covered as there isn’t much on UA-cam and arguments such as Yuta vs Hakari have started so on and so forth would love to see you dive into that fight
another thing worth noting when it comes to unlimited void, is that if we're going with the ruling that Gojo cannot be affected by genjutsu due to his lack of chakra then also Kakashi could not be trapped in unlimited void due to his lack of cursed energy. This is because people completely devoid of cursed energy cannot be trapped in a domain, as was showcased by both Maki and Toji in jjk. An argument could be made that Kakashi would have cursed energy as its a natural product of all humans in jjk whereas chakra is an unnatural resource granted by the consumption of the chakra fruit in naruto so once again its open to interpretation but worth considering.
Then kakashi would die instantly because he would be crushed by infinite void and infinity which is why gojo doesn’t use infinite void in public areas
@@DayDropsdepends on the location, if they're in a closed space yeah, but in the open, no
When you talk about Gojo bragging about his abilities I think you're also forgetting that explaining an ability boosts it in JJK. It's a narrative way to give the readers an explanation of techniques while making sense in the context of the series.
Nah gojo is insanely prideful if he doesn't see you as a threat then he'll literally walk you through his abilities. The only time he's gonna speed run you is if you're to him or his students(
@@rokiejoe8452 that doesn't change what I said, his character would surely play a part in him talking and being braggadocious but it doesn't change the fact that techniques in JJK are stated to be more effective once they are revealed.
That’s only with certain characters that place restrictions on themselves like Nanami. I don’t think Gojo did anything like that. Plus I think it would go against his personality to place a restriction
@@samuelh.8896 Binding vows can be made with yourself and with others, and just explaining your ability will make a vow. Basically it's forcing your opponent to accept the reality of your abilities and that alone makes your abilities more powerful.
@@samuelh.8896 you don't have to place a limit on yourself, that is one way to may them stronger, but todo explains in his fight with yuji against the tree curse (i forget names), that just explaining your ability makes it stronger
We all know that they’d just hang out, Kakashi would probably show Gojo around Konoha as they try the local delicacy.
This is truly a Dattebayo Kaisen moment🤣
they both seem to like sweets so yeah
If they do spar kakashi would win
@@zen12206 •••
Yeah no, they aren't really anything like besides appearance
So basically Seth has used infinite void in this video for like 3 minutes and mind fked us for a couple years just so that we might understand how Gojo’s infinity actually works.
I swear I was 10 minutes in the vid and it felt like a hour
Delusional seth strikes again
@@orochimarupr981 If your calling him that then your also calling the JJK workers that since most of what he said was from them.
@@drillinbaggboysaidourargum9901 Relax it's clearly a joke lol
Seth is really amazing but animescale was better in 2 certain topics
@@orochimarupr981 I was just sayin
Seth I think the only mistake you made was saying Goji tells enemies about his abilities because of arrogance, it’s stated multiple times in the anime that they tell enemies about the ability because it makes the ability stronger.
Edit: The ability I’m talking about is called the “Show your hand” Binding vow. You take the disadvantage of the opponent knowing how your ability works for an increase in power.
I forgot about that. This is true.
It doesn't make sense lol, telling enemies their attacks = much powerful attack?
@@seanambrose7051 it is some sort of binding vow, that a lot of jujutsu sorcerer uses (I.E Todo explained about boogie wogie when fighting special grade, or the blood brothers explained their technique in order to infect nobara sooner) basically by showing how your power works, you get some sort of boost in using your ability
@@shihan8470 thats sick. it makes sense
@@shihan8470 you’re wrong. It doesn’t make it stronger. Kakashi solo en 2 moves.
So basically it depends on interpretation on how you believe Gojo’s abilities work. If his techniques and reaction speed are instantaneous, he wins. If you don’t believe that, he gets stomped. I personally believe either can win, all of Kakashi’s Kamui variations could take Gojo out. And Gojo’s purple can negate all version of Kakashi’s durability and disintegrate him. Either could take each other.
Not to wank but One eyed Sage Mode Madara dodged Flying Raijin Slice from Tobirama which is instantaneous or infinite in movement.
in the manga it is said that gojo has his technique activated at all times without thinking unless he chooses to turn it off after he acsended to godhood, so based on that i think gojo wins but idk kakashi has harder plot armor.
Problem I find for Kakashi is that Gojo's limitless became a passive ability. As in, he doesn't turn it off and it doesn't take long for Gojo to put an infinite amount of space in between them.
@@PayArcanum No, he worst than Minato at it. If that the case how is Tobiarama at that level?
@@PayArcanum Sage mode has Pre-Cog, and that was not Teleportation, that was pure movement.
Gojo not beating the OG white haired.
he is
not even close according to powerscaling.@@ayoSzn
@@Pillsberry-zg4zs hahaha so, you Kakashi and other naruto characters are easily faster then light and can destroy entire plains pretty quickly, but if we take Boruto Kakashi (no sharingan). Then i dont really see a way of Kakashi going past Infinity or even getting out of the way of a Domain Expansion and Gojo just popping his head off.
Definitely an interesting matchup 😂 I really would like to see Gojo’s full potential since we’ve already seen Kakashi’s potential? That way there’s a definitive answer without it changing overtime.
I think it wont change anything
hasn't Gojo hit his peak.
True I mean if gojo was bloodlusted and didn't play around in my opinion he would win
@@that1onepieceguy88 we have seen a “bloodlusted” Gojo in the flashback arc when he came back to life and killed Toji although that was him on his path to his prime
@@that1onepieceguy88 I think still Kakashi would win because he also doesnt play around and literally has a hard counter abillity against Gojo
Fun fact: Gojo's bragging about his abilities can somehow actually increases his power. By some sort of Jujutsu law. I forgot what it was called.
I believe it was called "The Binding Vow". I think Nanami used it during his fight with Mahito.
Also Todo used it to trick Hanami
@@makimaizabeatch3792
That's not why he uses it lol.
He just wants to show off cuz he can
@@friendlyanomaly6109 'why'
I never stated the reason he used it
I just said he used it to fight Maihto
There's seem to be a misunderstanding here
@@makimaizabeatch3792
I didn't mean to reply to you. Lol.
Having a shanringan active while being hit with the unlimited void would probably make the experience worse 🤣 your eyes force you to perceive infinite information even faster than normal. Honestly I feel like this comes down to who lands kamui or domain expansion first. Outside of unlimited void I don't think gojo can really do much
Gojo can activate domain in 0.2 seconds so I don't think Kakashi is pulling off his attack
@@JerichoRpwe0692 You are severly downplaying, or do not know, the speed feats in the Naruto verse. I also think it is disingenious to say you can't use genjutsu on JJK characters, but JJK characters get the massive benefits of domain expansions. This is part of the problem of comparing characters from different series with different power systems.
@@techtv1205 any genjutsu kakashi could use requires the target to also have Chakra, as that's how most low level genjutsu work, whereas domains do not have any such requirements, and can be used on curse users or normal people
@@JerichoRpwe0692 lightning is 1/1000 of a second right? So um .2 is kinda slow.
@@JerichoRpwe0692 0.2 secs that's slow as hell, Kakashi can make kamui snipe instantaneously, in 0 seconds
Gojo is one of those characters that makes you feel like you’re a genius when you debate with him and use these types of scaling for his limitless
lol
@@gameuniverse5973 ehh I'd say Gojo is like a year of math harder, maybe just a semester.
Lol.
@@gameuniverse5973 Gojo’s theories are way more in depth while accelerator’s vector is rather shallower
These are not scaling but opinions
@@hi_come_on_in4943 crazy people take everything this man say when its just opinion
i think that even if kakashi could rip gojo in half with kamui you should remember gojo still has reverse technique which can seemingly restore any parts of his body instantly, except if you damage the head which just makes the healing process slightly slower but i think it’s a good argument
That doesn't really help with lightning, which kills all cells throughout the body. Purple lightning clones electrocute anyone who touches them, gojo cannot use his ability when coming into contact to deal physical damage, which would literally kill him on the spot. Not to mention Hokage Kakashi walks all over 4th war arc because he mastered 2 of his Chakra natures, Lightning and Earth which are purple lightning and Crystal style, and doesn't need sharingan anymore to react and move because he can manipulate purple lightning to varying voltages to supercharge his nervous system.
Nah still wouldn’t work. At the end of it Kakashi wins until further notice for Gojo because all of Kakashi’s stuff was pretty much just all confirmed facts while a lot of circumstances for Gojo somehow winning are just possible assumptions so yeah Kakashi takes it 🤷♂️
@@saltyfloridaman7163 current manga fight proves reverse cursed technique can heal through lightning damage quite literally blasting through one's abdomen and leaving gaping holes.
@TheNiggler In theory it not suppose to work on poison to but Hikari was able to cancel that in the manga to but yeah untill it happens cutting off they head kills them I still kind of expect max finger sukuna to regenerate from it tho
@@pandumoanium9315 Hakari's reverse cursed technique is automatic and it's on advance level too so can heal that,but i doubt regular RCT can heal that damage
Seth didn't talk about Gojo's six eyes enough. Its an actual factor in this fight. Practically unlimited curse energy, processing EVERYTHING within view several miles way and with great detail by seeing the flow of curse energy surrounding. Also his perception of time is quicker bc of his six eyes. This fight is basically who can speed blitz who first. I argue Gojo bc notice you first and he can teleport.
Yeah but Gojo would also have to hit aaand even if his reaction time may be faster his attacks definitely aren't fast enough to catch a quirked up shinobi busting it down nindo style, all the while absolutely goated with the sauce
Every fight with Gojo from outside the series comes down to two things
- does the person have an instantaneous attack that doesn't rely on distance?
- does the person have the ability to either use said attack before Gojo can attack or prevent themselves from being attacked by Gojo
In this case Kakashi is a light speed ninja able to attack based on sight line instead of distance
speed blitz who ?
Have you forgotten that kakashi at the minimum is light speed
I mean we can argue that his teleportation is like minato but kakashi is was faster than that
yea I think gojo lowkey underrated, cuz RCT kinda makes him unkillable (just like Yuuta/Hakari but better) an tryna say Tsukuyoumi is stronger than literally infinite info kinda crazy...
What ability other than Kamui does Kakashi have that is capable of even touching Gojo let alone doing damage?
Even if Kamui cut Gojo in half, RCT would undo that instantly
I like mangaka who are active with their fan community, giving a lot of commentary and in-depth explanation, but who are also willing to leave a lot of things up to their fans (such as Kakashi vs Gojo). I wish more creators were like this; it seems like most are either hermits who never talk publicly or people who talk too much and cause controversies.
Most mangaka would be too busy to do stuff like this I think, Kishimoto's schedule when making Naruto was insane.
Jesus loves us all that's why he died for our sins
@Shinidoshi fuuuuuck 😂
Well I can understand hermit mangaka to a certain degree. With how idiotic and toxic the anime community can be.
@@Rdc_Dom facts
Gojo is like the New One Punch Man seriously I have seen him being pitted against Goku and GER like he is the new anime Boi of Battleboards
You chose to spit anything and it was faxs
Ger solos they verse so does saitama
Griffith >>>> guts
How would goku touch him, i don’t wanna debate I’m just curious on how you think he’d go about it
he beats goku tho, that's assuming he can damage him
Seth be making maths more interesting than people who literally have a degree in it
@@thiccluigi wym
@@thiccluigi does he have a maths degree or something
@@thiccluigi my guy sold his soul lmao
almost like one is paid to entertain and the other isn't.
I don't think people bring this up enough, but implying that Kakashi looking at him and using Kamui on him are different. Could Kakashi use Kamui on the sun just because he can see it or does that distance matter? If there really is an infinite space between them, could Kakashi summon Kamui an infinite distance away, despite seeing it? Also, does he ability to teleport himself and others vast distances not equate to speed?
Aight so basically the distance to the sun is a limited distance, it's not infinite, and so kamui would land. Kakashi would have to learn and perceive infinite distance, and we don't know if that would cancel out infinity itself. Also teleportation beats speed as a concept, considering how teleportation is like warping and wormholes, like how you would automatically be at the destination, and you would not have to travel, which speed cannot measure.
Right, I get that it's not an infinite distance, I just wasn't sure if Kamui was applied instantly no matter the distance. Like a celestial body even farther away, would it just instantly show up there if he could see it. I also agree about your explanation of speed and teleportation, assuming that you mean it breaks it and makes it infinite, which is why I was confused.
@@burbled5348if you have to clap before you can teleport than that would be used to measure the amount of time it takes
ye clapping is the cause for the teleoportation, but the actual time it takes to teleport is different. Basically what counts rlly matters. We also don't know if he does this just because, or if it's like calling out his technique cuz in the manga he doesn't need to call it out but he can still perform that technique@@chosenjayy5851
@@burbled5348It's not actually an infinite distance, did u watch the whole video?
I noticed where you said Gojo may have infinite Cursed Energy. There is a line from Yuta Okotsu in the JJK manga that says Yuta has more Cursed Energy than Gojo, but due to the Six Eyes Gojo can more efficiently use his smaller stores of Cursed Energy to the point that it seems limitless. Theoretically he can run out. The real problem would be lasting until he does.
he said his drain is close to 0 and gojo has huge curse energy it's gonna take a long time 💀 longer than anyone except yuuta and hakkari since they have infinite well hakkari is technically but yea
Considering how draining Kamui was on Kakashi, Gojo might be able to outlast him. If were talking the start of Part 2.
Nah he regains more then he loses. It’s not infinite but it’s not going to run out
@@nightsfall3n Like taking 0.1 fuel out of a full tank of 1000 with each curse technique
@@udonnauchegbu2018 so do people think gojo can beat goku or vegeta with this Information
If anyone's still confused on the dumb ability.
Remember graphs in algebra? Remember 1/x? Remember it has a vertical dotted line in the middle, which meant 1/x never touches 0, and they called it an asymptote?
Gojo's power is that he's zero on the graph, and he literally uses that asymptote/dotted line as a force field, which makes him mathematically untouchable.
There you go.
Thankyou Mr Robert.
Im just gonna nod and agree to seem smart
you lost me at remember algebra
@@romusa10 same 💀💀
Literally
U lost me at remember 💀
Gojo’s ability are very similar to the different properties of a black hole. The event horizon is an impassable barrier(from the inside) and on the outside it’s dragging everything inside that it comes into contact with. An infinite push and pull and where those two factors meet- annihilation. His teleporting could be, less him teleporting and rather him moving space around him. If you had a spaceship with warp drive- you wouldn’t be moving the ship but space around the ship and you would suddenly appear elsewhere in the universe. And one of the visuals for limitless void is literally a black hole and the ability is gifting someone with a singularity of knowledge
And yet someone saying that black hole and gojo infinity is different because of the infinite space between them.
Black holes are roughly just massive gravity wells that cause a ton of time dilation/length contraction. To me it doesn't seem like Gojo's power is very comparable to length contraction, it's more easy to understand, just requires some familiarity with infinite series. Ofc it's a fictional power that's not possible, so maybe it was intended to be a magical black-hole like power by the authors or smth, idk.
@@tigerriderminecraftjava5097 the space inside a blackhole is infinite
If he had powers like a black hole then anyone who scales to the speed of light would then be able to have a normal fight with him. Gojos power would really be time dilation (as applied to super dense objects) and the reason no one can touch him is bc his manipulation of space time cause an infinite amount of time to reach him that attacks simply don’t last. However, gravity time dilation is basic mimicry of velocity time dilation, it’s a law that we move through space time at the speed of light no matter what. If your body itself was to accelerate to the speed of light then less and less time would occur for you till eventually you reach that speed and time stops. That’s when gojos ability would no longer work as your time cannot be manipulated if you have none. (This all banks on my interpretation of time dilation after a couple months of learning on my own time, im not a physicist I’m still in college for biology) - also im ngl I’ve only watch the movie and a fell asleep during it, all my jjk info came from this video
@@Ryan-lh1np in relativity the curvature of space time causes gravity, not the other way around. A black hole is a singularity in space time, which is just a way of saying it is a mathematical infinity that appears in the physical world.
The honest truth is Gojo is a copy of Kakashi :)
Gege Akutami stated that Gojo was inspired by a Naruto Character(can't remember him since I never watched Naruto) who is also covering his eyes. So it wasn't Kakashi.
@@MAEGGANONNnot really considering both has same hair color,eye gimmick and have trio student under his care
@@Zero_Tester in a fanbook Gege Akutami mentioned that the design of the naruto character Tobatake Tonbo(or something) inspired him and had an influence on Gojo's design
@@MAEGGANONN Also Gege himself stated that Gojo wasn't as good or better like Kakashi,yet most of JJK fan didn't believe that
The Winner is the white haired guy with special eyes
Yeah definitely the sensei one
@@condawg5984 ye the one with spatial powers to be more specific
@@condawg5984 Yeah the one who females simp for
@@shippuden1322 he covers part of his face too
Damn the author of jjk actually commented on this vs battle that's honestly cool as hell and he even admitted that gojo isn't on the same level of kakashi.
Really?
Where?
@@xobfuego3255 watch the end of the video
I see
Yeah. Theres something weird about authors admitting that their own characters Iose. Its like their able to reach that level of self confidence while many of us (talking about in general) throw hours of our days away screaming and being rude to each other to say our character would win. It shows how much self control these creators have. Either that or its because their grown behind men and dont have the energy for that mess.
1:20 slight correction here Hakari and okotsu may have infinite/boundless cursed energy but they have a finite out put so even someone with less cursed energy could over power them if they have a higher output
its just a kid naruto and kakashi thing. kakashi states kid naruto has way more chakra than him but kakashi's chakra output is simply more and better than kid narutos.
The author himself states that Gojo is the apex of strength in the JJK universe. To match him up with kakashi who has very low stamina is simplify downgrading and underestimating a man who says he can defeat Sukuna the king of curses even at full power.
What I want to know is Yuuta and Hakari who would win?
I believe the answer would still be Yuuta since Hakari's jackpot infinite cursed energy output lasts a few minutes. It would essentially come down to a battle of attrition. (excluding the fact that we still know nothing about Yuuta's domain expansion))
yuta doesn't have infinite cursed energy and hakari only does in jackpot mode
@@REMINACTV the biggest issue is we don't know if the domain he used was his copy techniques domain or a domain he copied, because if he can copy them then he should be able to copy Hakaris, granted he won't have the luck he has but eventually he'd jackpot. Its weird cause we see him meet the conditions to copy a technique by eating the cockroach curse and Rika eating the girl with the sky bending technique to copy it, but at the same time Kenjaku talks about Yuta copying techniques "unconditionally"
@@Akelsien Well i cant remember if its Yuta or Rika but one of them copies that guy with the laser beam thing when Yuta is fighting the sky bending girl without any conditions
Getting stunned from infinite information in Unlimited Void seems to be a passive side effect, since Gojo didn't get a chance to use Unlimited Void offensively (in the anime yet). The real threat is getting instazapped by hollow purple in the domain.
Also the 6 month of information in 0.2 second number is him going easy to avoid killing the bystanders. Assuming you can tweak the domain expansion's powers (since there exists imperfect domain expansions), that number is the domain's lowest setting.
Kamui itself is a space-time ability, so if Kakashi doesn't one shot Gojo, he'd regenerate and probably adapt to it.
Assuming genjutsu works, how is Kakashi's genjutsu going to work on a guy with a blindfold on all the time except for the times when he's one shotting you? I'm assuming Kakashi will be forced to use Izanami or something, but Izanami might not work since Gojo wouldn't be touching anything unless he was tricked into it beforehand.
Basically, the most plausible win-condition is Kamui, assuming Kakashi uses it right away to rip off Gojo's head or something. But then again, it's basically a western standoff. If Gojo turns on Unlimited Void right away, even war-arc Kakashi might not be able to beat him.
It seems to be a scenario of who would activate their ability first. Based on speed and reaction feats, I'd say that's Kakashi.
He can’t control the amount of information. What actually happened was that he limited his domain to lasting 0.2 seconds so that it would only flow 6 months of info into those affected. It’s a steady rate, but that also means that a full second would probably be 2 and a half years of information.
@@blazethegame i know im a bit late, but he can control the amount of information using cursed energy output. Not sure if it's been CLEARLY explained yet, but CE output relates directly to the raw power of a CT (which you could assume), whilst a domain is an extension of a CT. Using this argument, which i mean, is pretty much a fact, he can manipulate the amount of information in any amount of time using higher CE outputs
If it comes down to anything about speed, Gojo is losing, kakashi is far faster, and he could dodge the DE
@@blazethegamewell he can a sort of by just shrinking the domain into a smaller size
I really wished you had covered Gojos Six eyes cuz that could be another win con, as it basically reveals his opponents techniques to him so he can figure out counters if there are any. Tho great video. The battle could truly go either way. I think we need more on Gojo lol
nope won't work six eyes only works on cursed energy if genjustu won't work on gojo cause UK chalra and allat then neither would gojos six eyes and even then he wouldn't really be able to see kamui if it spawned on his chest unless he was looking at it
@@ftdfijturidtunyjhuif if we are using that rule then sure, but if not then he just needs to know how Kamui works.
@@epic8413 even though the abilities are revealed he isn't fast or strong enough to dodge and stuff,and kumui would still work as it is relative to kakakshi's speed, unless you think he can move instantaneously.
@@somanchipranav1964 I mean personally I could argue that Kamui may still take a effect but might be slowed by infinity giving Gojo time to teleport since he only needs to do the sign once, but I digress. We need more of Gojo
@@epic8413 true,it is definitely a condition but we do need more to say so,cause the speed difference between slower than lightning and FTL is massive.
Gojo ability is just that of a kid that u could never kill while playing on recess
KILL???
@@ilovesteakandfries Broken ability type of situation.
lol and sakura is that stupid kid that seth just called 'smart'
Not until infinite spin, RTZ and calamity comes to play.
@Hi_Nu Ver 0 Zero_Tester you named people and verses. You said people from implying you were strictly taking about verse. Small nitpick but whatever
The work you put into making this video is simply incredible
good vid but calling Sakura 'smart'? Sure she has a talent for healing, but her logical decisions throughout the story have been... well... questionable.
and he failed to mention how amped kaguya was to make that orb. She needed the power of the god tree so she is not star or solar system level like a lot of fans say
@@bigruckus8664 Smart in a bookworm sense. Her battle intelligence is no slouch either, she deciphers Sasori's attack patterns from finger movements (callback to Shikamaru vs Tayuya) and dissects Obito's Kamui fairly quickly, being the first one to suggest the right hypothesis.
So she has knowledge and intelligence, just lacks wisdom.
He has editors
@@Reality-Distortion Sure but remember when she insulted an orphan to an orphan? Or when she knocked out her team when trying to retrieve Sasuke? U would think she would at least show heart if she had the confidence to do that, but she stood in front of him and cried🤣. Kishimoto is a great writer but idk what he was thinking with Sakura. Awful character considering she had a major role in the story too being part fo team 7
I think it’s very in character for Kakashi to substitute himself during hard hitting attacks like a domain, only if we assume the sharingan can read how domains works. Even if he’s caught within the domain with his enhanced mental capacity a split second would be all it takes to escape if he can teleport with Kamui. But if Kakashi can’t take the mental load it’s pretty much over in that scenario. But imo kamui insta kill.
Unlimited Void is very op. If it can flood a person's mind with 6 months of information in .2 seconds then I'm not sure Kakashi could withstand that and having the sharingan would only make the information flood more severe.
Kamui is automatic win
Limitless can Negate anything.
Gojo outside JJK is invincible.
@@ishan61 apparently not strong enough to negate the seal in Shibuya arc…
@@omgjlmiubbecause it’s sealing his soul basically
Spoiler Alert
Its actually funny seeing this video now because we essentially have confirmation that kamui would most likely work on gojo since mahoraga and sukuna both cut through space to hurt/kill gojo
So Kakashi beats Gojo, i thought that was common sense
Apparently not
Fraudjo fans will tell you not
@@Soulsociety2005 No no it's fraudkuna
@@Soulsociety2005I mean. It’s true. If kakashi knows about infinity. Then gojo gets to know about Kamui. And kamui tears through space time, so gojo can put a blue in its path. Creating infinite things for it to tear through
i honestly think you don't read jjk manga or you don't read it well enough. Gojo can literally regenerate at incredible speed, the only way kakashi could kill him is by chopping of his head bc the brain is the one that produces cursed energy. Gojo can trap kakashi on his domain and kill him instantly or how are you sure his kamui will even hit him? if there's an infinite distance between Gojo and Kakashi how could he hit him? sharingan has range, a wide one but not infinite. The moment Gojo sees Kakashi as a threat is over for him, and let's clarify that he can see him coming from miles away because of his six eyes, technique you really forgot to mention. I also really disliked the fact that you acted as Gojo has weaker t echiques than Kakashi, as if purple isn't quite literally a flying black hole. Kakashi is strong, however there's isn't really a fight with a character like Gojo, at least if you don't have a power that directly messes up with his.
You didnt listen to the video.
Kakashi wins easily
I think genjutsu probably wouldn't work, because Gojo is also constantly using reversed cursed technique to heal his brain from his constant use of infinity. So if genjutsu did work in the jjk verse, I think it's also reasonable that it could also be countered in a similar way as they do it in naruto.
I think it wouldn't work there people who know medical ninjutsu but don't relay on it to counter genjutsu, but, gojo doesn't have the chackra network so normal genjutsu doesn't gonna work and sharingan gen needs to send chackra to a target so it wouldn't hit with infinite.
So Gojo is safe while infinite is on.
Id argue it does...However it won't be effective. the eyes of gojo see everything information wise not seeing the future but seeing everything else. We never seen the sharringan used on something that overloads with information....and let's not act like Kakashi utilizes genjutsu on the level of someone like itachi or Madara. there's a high chance Kakashi just won't be strong enough to use the ability on gojo. Just keep in mind gojo can see perfectly fine blindfolded...This shows his sight is kinda broken and when tied to infinite technique which gojo does constantly have on I don't see genjutsu or basic jutsu working. Bassically Kakashi would have to stick to his metaphysical techniques.
@@Unholy_Brez nice they only work on cursed energy
So we're just gonna act like in the Itachi Novels Shisui himself didn't admit anyone with Mangekyo Sharingan can put people without chakra under Genjutsu. And the other fact of Kaguya put the whole world under Infinite Tsukuyomi when nobody had chakra but her yet it not only worked on people but regular animals as well when Madara did it.
Now bcus of Gojos abilities its a 50/50 if it does if his brain can break out of the Genjutsu bcus of it being refreshed but considering the fact the Sharingan can literally look into a persons memories in an instant (when Itachi showed Sasuke the full truth after fighting Kabuto and that was WITHOUT Tsukuyomi or his Mangekyo being Active ) and also give amnesia/erase memories (when Sasuke erased Jiraiya's memories in Boruto) it just keeps going and going
@@Unholy_Brez Well by that logic I could also argue that weak genjutsu could cause gojo immense mental distress because of the information overload.
Also if Gojo can manipulate the space between him and his target, it also means he can manipulate where people see him, since liught needs to travel through the barrier for people to see him.
Similar as how we look into the sky and watch light from stars that died 2 million years ago
no that wouldn't work , as it is said in the video it passes through but never really reaches, hence so will the light rays , they will never reach out and it would just appear as a black object
@@eris255 Exactly.
How was Jogo then able to still see Gojo hand despite the fact that barrier was blocking it thats unfortunately false
Manipulating space has never been able to cause invisibility let alone bending of light in any manga, anime or even real life logic
@@giddyhaddcock_gaming5396 he was just theorizing , he was able to see cause gojo doesn't use it that way ( he can ) cause it'd be just a useless move
Domain expansion Work on those who have cursed energy,
Kakashi doesn't have cursed energy gojo domain doesn't work on kakashi
We obviously equalize powers bruh
I can see rock lee having that feat but not kakashi
@@luisasosa9878 then Kakashi kamui instantly cut go/jo
gojo domain works on whoever he touches, same when the curses and humans was in his domain only ones that got affected was curses bc he touched them and the humans was unharmed
@@SimpleGuy-t9m Thing is even if he did, he’d have to one shot his brain, otherwise Gojo is gonna heal w RT, on the other side unlimited void is always a one shot.
Well now we know gojo get low diff now. sukuna just ported his ability onto gojo space. Thats it kamui is more than enough.
All due to mahoraga's adaption
@@quintaviousnigor8466 Mahogara's adaptation is literally doing what Kakashi would do, being able to hit space-time.
@@quintaviousnigor8466mahoraga didn't do shit. All it did was adapt and Sukuna observed and created a model based on it. If he had the model beforehand, he wouldn't need adaptation. STFU.
Kakashi wins only because he way more likey to use kamui before gojo soew domain expansion
Itachi clear gojo easily , so does madara,
Stop trying to prove that Gojo can win. The mangaka himself says that Gojo is not on the same level. Kakashi kinda counters all of Gojo's abilities. When the creator of a character is telling you the strength and limitation of that character, why try to make points such as "Gojo could win if he did domain expansion first"? Just admit that one is stronger than the other. It would be the same if Kishimoto said that Kakashi is not on the level of Gojo. We would all just have to agree. Thanks!
It's because people like to use Death of the Author as a base for argumentation. They have The view that the author is a fallible source and can't be relied on for facts. An example of this would be if a character is shown blowing up the moon in the manga and then the author comes out and says "no one in my story can blow up the moon" then he's wrong about his own material.
So just because the author said that about Gojo and Kakashi, people just assume or make the case that he's wrong and try to use their own abilities as debaters/power scalers to prove him wrong.
When gojo fought toji, he hadn't awakened yet...
It was only after toji "killing" him that he awakened and became the Gojo we know.(Although now he is miles stronger)
You can see what a recently awakened gojo is capable of when he "resurrected on that same fight and completely obliterated toji.
Gojo now is so broken that he doesnt need to think about the space between anything since its always on.
Not to say he would beat kakashi, just clarifying a few things.
It was Gojo's first lost too, even as a child he was high tier.
Grade 1 sorcerers did not want to box with Kid Gojo.
@@khulmach9662 Exactly.
I love both of the series but idk how can we say that gojo beats kakashi at this point after gege himself said that gojo is inferior to kakashi
@@vyperzygo1528 He only said they were not on the same level.
Gege did not specify further. An assumption can be made that Kakashi is far above Gojo by his stats.
@@khulmach9662 oh so gojo has a chance? Cause tbh I don't see kakashi beating gojo. Maybe a tie but the way he had written it j thought he meant that kakashi neggs gojo
Seth really had to get a whole degree just to put out this video🐐🤝
CAUTION: SPOILER
In present time this is quite funny to see so much explanation for gojo's infinity only for him to be cut off from the middle and broken as if a KitKat
If we consider cursed energy and chakra the same thing, Kakashi could just copy infinity right?
I think people underestimate how bullshit kamui actually is
How bullshit go/jo is you mean
I love how despite the shallowness of the comparison Kakashi is like the one guy in the entire Naruto universe that's best equipped at fighting Gojo
I think kaguya could or Sasuke Also maybe the sage of 6 paths but that has to do more with his ability to create things from nothing powers. So that makes him a reality warper technically but feedless so I feel I'm on shaky ground there. But for the most part you're right basically no one else could. He's like a direct counter to the naruto universe.
One more I thought of onoki's partical style as it Destroys everything in the cube and even though there is infinite space in between his infinity and himself he would still be within the cube. But this one feels the most like a stretch to me.
Eh i still think if you threw gojo into kaguyas domension and she used ETSB, he doesnt have an answer for that. Or if momoshiki can absorb anyone the ssme way he did to kinshiki then i dont see why that cant word either. But for the most part your right. If he doesnt win then most end in stalemates
@@cablefeed3738 That cube argumemt for ohnoki is decent.
@@cablefeed3738 but if Gojo can control on an atomic level couldn’t he just cancel it out
I don't think the fight outcome matters, but the info from the video and the ideas presented were fascinating, I clicked on this video thinking this was a stupid question cause of course Gojo would win, now I'm split on it haha. I know for sure if they did meet, they'd exchange reading material I'm sure, probably become besto friendos
I love gojo but I think kakashis iq, speed, kamui are too much
Awesome video! Honestly you've put this in a really interesting light. One thing I would like to point out quickly with Hikari is that while the Cursed Energy he receives is outright stated to be "Infinite" multiple times, that doesn't necessarily mean that his Cursed Energy *output* is infinite, so beyond the statement from Gojo saying that Hikari is one of the people that MIGHT surpass him someday, I'm not entirely sure how Hikari's scalling impacts this debate.
I definitely agree with your assessment that Gojo has something of a Saitama situation going on as we've never seen him go all out, though hopefully this isn't the case by the time the series ends.
Either way, great video!
I've always wondered what the cursed energy bottle neck is after Yuta's fight with Ryu. Is there some kind of ratio based on how much cursed energy you have or does everyone just have a vague limit due to genetics or something? If Ryu can output more cursed energy than Yuta it makes me wonder how much leeway does Ryu's technique grant him? Can Ryu release all of his cursed energy at once in a giant spike or are there limits to how much cursed energy he can theoretically output based on his amount of cursed energy. I mean it's likely Yuta will steal his technique and if so does that mean Yuta will get a higher average cursed energy output because Yuta has a lot more cursed energy or is Yuta just going to release the same output level as Ryu?
You mean Hakari?
@@James-py4je Yeah, lol - fucked up the spelling.
@@visionaryvjae5641 That's actually a really interesting point. I mean, Ryu's whole thing is that his technique allows for the largest output of raw Cursed Energy of anyone we've seen so far, so it'll be interesting to see how that interacts with Yuta and Rika's abilities.
Qq
24:19 kishimoto doesn't even remeber the character he made that influenced Gojo's design lmao
Kaskashi wins by default based on his choice of reading material
Kakashi slams gojo and it’s not even close
Its kind of a headcannon but if u equate cursed energy and chakra gojo would be able to realize when kakashi uses a genjutsu because it is implied in jjk that gojo can see cursed energy with his six eyes which is why he instantly knows the cursed technique of his opponents
To be honest, I think Gojo could see it anyways, or at least sense it because of the way Cursed energy works, and what the Six Eyes can see. I’m pretty sure Six Eyes can see emotions, and types of energy which would include chakra since its spiritual energy. Spiritual energy being one of the definitions of Cursed energy since Cursed energy is the physical embodiment of the curses the Jujutsu Sorcerers exorcise.
But if you equate curse energy to chakra, then all that does is make kakashis jutsus like genjutsu and just his chakra in general to work against curse energy and abilities like domain expansion, i dont think thats wise as genjutsu on a mangekyo scale can now work on gojo along with kamui since MS doesnt require the recipient to have chakra anymore.
@@momotheone9700 No, Genjutsu doesn’t work like a Domain Expansion. Like Seth already said, Genjutsu is an illusion for the mind, while Domain Expansion is physical damage, Jogo could burn anything in his Domain to ash. So, Kakashi doesn’t have a Domain Expansion even if you say that Cursed energy is Chakra.
Hanami actually did something similar to a Genjutsu in episode 8, where she basically rips off any will to fight and Gojo snaps out of it right after his Six Eyes notices it.
About equating of chakra and cursed energy, seth was only talking about the normal genjutsu, not the ocular one. We already know that ocular genjutsu attacks the mind and its the sharingans own ability. Seth had already talked about the difference of ocular and non-ocular genjutsu.
Nagato should be 4x stronger than sage mode Jiraiya or Naruto. 2x as strong as the pains
Let's be honest, Gojo would fold Kakashi in half
Meanwhile Sukuna is taking classes form Kakashi on How to fold space
Fraudjo is mid
I have read JJK manga up till CH 241 and have watched Naruto, Shippuden and Boruto, so trust me this won't be biased.
I would compare both of their Powers and Weaknesses.
Kakashi at his best would have 8 Inner Gates and Obito's DMS (which includes Kamui, Genjutsu (Illusions) and Perfect Susanoo).
DMS SIGNIFICANTLY improves reaction time and allows the user to copy any techniques of others except those techniques that are inherited and only can be wielded by a specific bloodline (e.g Gojo's Limitless), in naruto we call these, Kekkei Genkai and Kekkei Mora.
Gojo at his best (which was during his last fight which was against Sukuna) would have Blue, Red, Purple, Infinity and Reverse Cursed Technique.
Gojo also has really good strength because he coats/infuses his punches with Blue and on top of that he could also use Black Flash which multiplies the power of his already Overpowered punches.
Both Kakashi and Gojo have kinda similar weaknesses, ENERGY. Kakashi can run out of Chakra if he's reckless while on the other hand Gojo has alot of cursed energy which because of his six eyes get's instantly replenished BUT as we've recently seen in his fight against Sukuna, Pushing his cursed energy output to the limits can cause Burnout which Gojo can counter by using reverse cursed energy to regenerate his whole brain again which weakens him the mores he uses it.
In hand to hand combat they have equal strength. Gojo Blue Infused Black Flash = Kakashi's Chakra Concentrated Punch, Gojo's Blue Infused Punch = Kakashi's Punch. BUT hand to hand combat is useless for Kakashi because of Gojo's Infinity which wouldn't allow Kakashi's punches to even land on Gojo.
Now don't already come to conclusions about who wins because I still haven't mentioned one thing.........Drumroll; GENJUTSU !
In order to even fight Kakashi, Gojo would have to take off his Blind fold and the moment he does this, he is as good as dead because he would instantly be under Kakashi's Genjutsu, it can be used to make people see things happen which aren't actually happening so basically it's an illusion and it's used to distract your opponent and land a critical hit while they are questioning Reality and what's broken about this power is that it disrupts the energy flowing within a person which means Kakashi could 'switch off' his Infinity by cutting off his energy flow and land a purple lightning (A move that literally destroys meteors) and the next time Gojo wakes up he would find himself at a train station with Nanami, Geto, Toji and the others.
Gen jujutsus are a illusion it does not cancel out effects im more of a nutruto fan but i still think gojo wins as even though he’s trucked there’s always infinite void which once kakashis in it he’s cooked nah fried but even though i think Naruto is a better anime Gojo still wins Mid diff
@@Swiftyman822 If you really had watched Naruto you would know that genjutsu disrupts flow of energy in the brain 🤣. Moreover even if we assume that doesn't happen Kakashi can just use kamui and trap Gojo in the kamui dimension.
bro why people still debating when Gege himself said Gojo is weaker 😂
Because gege hates gojo.
@@jessielemon6967fraudjo is mid
@@jessielemon6967 I'll still take the author's word though.
@@True_Damage69 Not when every single thing other than that is implying that Gojo can slape Kakashi through few mountains...
@@theneverwhere6076 the Naruto verse is far stronger and faster than JJK. Kakashi blitzes that man.
This was a damn good analysis and damn good explanation. Though, I'd say Gojos Domain Expansion is stronger than Itachi's Tsukuyomi because Gojo can trap multiple people within a certain radius and kill them in less than a second .
Fair enough but Itachi's can kill in literally 10 pico seconds and not just that make someone live there entire life in only 10 pico seconds killing them so in terms of kill speed Tsukuyomi is superior
@@lla2248 Ok? That's not close to literally not being able to move or do anything.
@@Bubblesonaplate actually Tsukuyomi also kinda stops the opponent from moving cuz of the fact that the information being processed is way too much for a physical reaction
@@jeshgowda6309 Incorrect. It stops them from moving because their brain is busy registering the Genjutsu, therefore there isn't a physical reaction. This is shown to be the case when he uses Izanami on Kabuto, while kabuto is having an all out brawl in his mind, his body is not actually physically moving until Itachi forces it to perform the hand signs to undo Edo.
Itachi van infinitely put someone in tsyukiyomi while it staying in it for 1sec. + can kill someone in it
Revealing your cursed technique makes it stronger, it’s a contract of sorts. He’s not bragging when he does that as much as he is boosting his power smh
No ones been talking about how jjk basically copied naruto here let me list my facts:
A team of 4, 3 guys 1 girl,
The girl thinks Shes better then basically everyone
There's a emo and the mc has a demon like thing in him
The sensei covers his eyes and has special eyes plus white hair mhmmm kinda reminds me of something
So Kakashi wins until further notice for Gojo because all of Kakashi’s stuff was pretty much just all confirmed facts while a lot of circumstances for Gojo somehow winning are just possible assumptions so yeah Kakashi takes it 🤷♂️
Haku doesn't go lightspeed tho.
kakashi doesn't not go faster than lightning.
@@Shuramaru I mean it was pretty much said as clear as day and their is nothing within the series to debunk it so I mean idk. We even see characters moving so fast it looks instantaneous or even like they are teleporting and in multiple places at once.
Not only that but Kakashi has been able to move quick enough to intercept a lighting strike on more than one occasion. And it’s not like it was just shot at him and he was already in stance to hit it, he literally ran in front of it and struck it. So their really isn’t an argument to debunk him and lighting. 😭
@@Shuramaru kakashi was faster and stopped lightning when he was a teenager. War arc one Sharingan kakashi probably is at least relative to light speed since he’s fighting characters way faster than lightning. If we are talking dms he’s actually light speed+.
@@zosuke8992 where did you get that info tho? Light takes 2 seconds to travel from the moon to the earth.
I never saw kakashi moving faster than lightning.
Chidori and Raikiri boosts your speed
So he also needs to charge the attack each time he wants to reach his maximum speed.
Kakashi used a burst of speed to cut lightning and that burst of speed was given to him because of his Raikiri and it's also the reason it is called Raikiri.
@@demontiming3234 we would hear POW each time they made a movement since they casually ''supposedly'' break the sound barrier but we don't see that happen.
We see them blitz to emphasize their speed.
We know that 8 gates guy was faster than kakashi but he still wasn't going lightspeed.
They use shunshin to achieve short bursts of speed.
Thank you Seth for mentioning that about genjutsu. Many people think it’s some automatic thing that just happened when you stare at a sharingan user. But like you mentioned the physical chakra has to be injected. Which means it would have to cross the infinity void between kakashi and his opponent. The actual mechanics people tend to forget about.
Yes, but you would then have to argue that Genjutsu isn't casted in photons or as fast as them. For sharingan specific genjutsu, they are cast as soon as you see the eye. Other genjutsu are caused by sound, others simply require you to enter an area.
I can't decide myself yet which way to lean on this, but to just refute it outright is probably egregious.
@@tremiller6839 true. But you’d have to prove that chakra always moves at light speed. Because not energies move at C at least not in fiction. You could be right or wrong. I am not sure actually
@@treylearns634 infinite void or no, that's just for physical. Tho Genjutsu needs physical chakra, the Sharingan is a sight. Once it sees Gojo it's over
@@pugamagar6191 wrong. The genjutsu works be injecting the users chakra into the target. The chakra has to physically move from user to target. If there is an infinite amount of space in between then the chakra never reaches the target. Which means the target is not effected
@@pugamagar6191 as he stated he still needs to inject the chakra into him and there’s no possible way to do that
The battle is not fair just because of different power scaling in Naruto and JJK. While JJKs biggest threats can destroy a few buildings around them, threats in Naruto can destroy mountains, whole countries and even planets (Naruto can destroy the Moon). Gojo can tie a fight against Naruto characters if they cannot go past infinity and outlast them thanks to Six Eyes in extended combat, but in terms of raw speed and destruction level he can do nothing except catching them in his domain. Now genjutsu, Six Eyes and Sharingan effects are up for debate depending on how we understand chakra and cursed energy. Will Gojo see chakra with Six Eyes? Will genjutsu work on CE users? Depends on interpretation.
One thing for sure tho, Kamui can hit Gojo as it's space bending jutsu, just like Limitless. Is Gojo fast enough to dodge it? Probably not seeing how Naruto characters easly reach the speed of light and in JJK characters reaching Mach 3 speed are already considered insane. Even if Gojo is much faster than Naoya, it's still 1000m/s vs 300'000m/s. Even the mindset of JJK world where revealing your technique makes it stronger gives Kakashi an upper hand, because Gojo will most likely be happy to reveal his hand before attempting to land DE hit. Early Shippuuden Kakashi wins vs Gojo 100% times. Sincerely, a fan of both series.
You don´t read the JJK manga, do you? The current strongest characters have way WAY higher destruction capabilites than the Naruto counterparts.
@@FelixS. either you read Lobotomy Kaisen instead of the original or you stopped reading Naruto before war arc. Sukuna and Gojo are still at a few buldings level, not even whole city but a few streets in Shinjuku/Shibuya, Sukuna's domain has 200m range and neither of his other attacks look much bigger, while Naruto blows up the moon, like bro, Naruto characters scale to planetary level, JJK scales to city at most.7th gate Guy who still loses to Kakashi in war arc shoots blasts that are at least a few kms wide with Hirudora. I know JJK is good and the hype is fresh (249 leaks in 2 days yay) so people are biased but for the love of God JJK characters do not scale even close to Naruto counterparts, and we're not even talking about Boruto era (because Boruto is trash).
@@DissConn3cT You don’t read the JJK manga obviously. 😂 The self-perception you base those 🤡 statements on is magnificent :) as expected from a narutard
@@DissConn3cT 🤡
So creating and withstanding black holes is City level? Ok 😂 You obviously don’t read the JJK manga. Maybe at least try to watch some proper scaling videos to keep your infos straight before posting.
@FelixS. Ok cool but how much did the black hole destroy that all I'm say
I think that with the ability to manipulate time itself... reaction time is kind of a moot point for Gojo. It wouldn't be that he naturally has that kind of reaction speed, but I can imagine he could essentially create time for him to react, sort of how he created time in a place with no time.
He manipulate space not time
@@mrlaybackvevo264 But if you think about how convergence slows down objects that approach him exponentially, e.g in his fight with Jogo, shouldn't Jogo have felt himself moving slower? But he didn't, and he needed to have Gojo explain that he was moving slower, which can only mean that his perception of time is affected by the his physical slowing due to convergence. So I think Gojo should be able to create infinity between himself and Kakashi in order to slow Kakashi down enough so his perception of time is reduced, thus giving Gojo extreme (apparent) speed while in reality not being that fast.
@@charlottechan1919 no that’s not the case he didn’t manipulate time Jogo was moving slower because gojo put an infinite number of space between them jogo is not frozen in time he was just moving so slow that he look frozen he’s power can dilate time but he cannot manipulate time itself
Well this aged like milk. Gojo would still be alive if reaction time is a moot point.
@@Acecombatrules59 that’s because he don’t manipulate time
I actually believe that Kakashi dms would beat gojo
I don't. I personally think gojo slams every version of Kakashi infact i think Kakashi is the only person in naruto/Boruto who can put up a fight i might be wrong since I dropped Boruto a while ago. But I do have some clue about what's happening due to tiktok.
@@shippuden1322 LMFAOOOO
@@shippuden1322 I don't I think dms Kakashi is to fast and way stronger kamui can by pass infinity and Kakashi himself can aawell in my opinion
@@shippuden1322 dude Kakashi wins until further notice for Gojo because all of Kakashi’s stuff was pretty much just all confirmed facts while a lot of circumstances for Gojo somehow winning are just possible assumptions so yeah Kakashi takes it 🤷♂️.
Kaskashi actually has solid facts for him just insta wiping Gojo with kamui while only wild assumptions can be made for Gojo somehow countering kamui. Also Genjutsu would in fact work on Gojo because Genjutsu doesn’t affect you physically, it is just the change of perception and isn’t actually causing you any physical harm unless the user does that intentionally. And so Gojo wouldn’t be able to just use his reverse technique on it because it wouldn’t even perceive the genjutsu as something to fix
Kakashi is stronger end of story.
You don’t know how to powerscale Gojo if your saying this casually
@@CJ-qv4sd Kakashi is stronger end of story(2)
@@tolabassist3302 wrong. End of story 3
Could Touma Kamijou from A Certain Magical Index hit Gojo due to his Imagine Breaker? I'd assume yes, because it negates magic AND science, even divine magic... but this does of course assume that both universes operate in a way that both characters maintain their powers.
Edit: also, what about Yami's Dimensional Slash from Black Clover?
He be able to break Infinity but of course in scenarios with his right arm is removed he becomes useless. so any real damage ends it. I think accelerator or dark matter is a better matchup as I can see those two definitely beating gojo with mid to high difficulty
Yami's Dimension slash theoretically should be able to cut through Gojo my theory is that dimensions exist in a different planes in our universe Infinity simplified mean forever, never ending and theoretically Infinity exists within all dimensions so in order for Yami to cut through Dimensions he would not only have to cut time and space but Infinity as well in order it's for his slash to reach another dimension that is to say dimensional slash isn't equivalent to Infinity but his dimensional slash gives him the ability to cut through Infinity being that Infinity is time and space so therefore yes Yami should be able to cut Gojo
@@lexxtheyp1647 Wouldn’t Yami have to cut through infinity continuously? If Gojo’s ability is to add an infinite space then even if a Dimension Slash could cut through infinity it would still have to travel an infinite distance in order to do so. Just like Seth mentioned how Kakashi’s kamui Shuriken might not work because it still has to travel towards Gojo. At that point if any of this is true Yami’s Dimensional Slash would have to last an infinite amount of time in order to actually do anything?
@@darkvoidswrath958 Yeah, I'm with you on this one. I don't think Yami can cut through it unless he can cut through an infinite space
@@dragoncultist5730 remember gojo has infinite healing
Honestly until Gege shows us some good counters to Gojo dude is pretty unbeatable behind infinity..
Of course I'm referring to ways that aren't based on cursed energy..
Isn’t that hard
Attacks that simply sprout in the enemy would bypass Mugen, as it works essentially slowing down things, attacks that don’t travel space can’t be slowed
@Kōhai The inverted Heavenly Spear is closer to Asta than the Black Rope.
@Kōhai personally I wouldn't put magic and cursed energy on the same lvl
@Kōhai it specifically negates cursed energy techniques though, magic in general wouldn't be a counter
that's the best analysis on Gojo vs Kakashi that Ive ever seen and I say that because it completely agrees with me in every point😌
Also id say it mostly depends on what hits first kamui or gojos domain followed by hollow purple. so id say Kakashi because he usually uses kamui more often and earlier in the fight
@@Ryuso_Art it also depends on how fast domain and hollow purple are. If they aren’t faster than light them Lala’s hi could dodge both based on his naruto speed scaling. Also if gojo uses domain expansion his infinity doesn’t work for a while (remember when he dodged hanami’s attack after using domain on jogo)
@@gamewatch9967 no hollow purple is not fast enough you’re right. But as I interpret the sharingan it can not counter the information of the domain and if it hits kakashi he can not defend himself or move and a hollow purple can kill him as it turns mass to energy and kinda ignores the durability of the target who is already weakened through the Domain as he’s unable to focus chakra onto his body or sth. But as I said it’s unlikely and kamui is more likeable Than the Domain Even hitting kakashi for me.
@@Ryuso_Art yeah but what I’m saying is if it’s possible for Akashi to dodge domain expansion then he can win without even worrying about infinity he wouldn’t even need kamui.
I really liked this matchup's structure. You presented the strongest evidence for either side with very detailed, credible sources. You then posed questions at the end that ask what factors the matchup really comes down to. I liked it.
I mean he kinda contradicted himself a lot. It’s stated that Gojo can differentiate threats by curse energy and not let them into his infinity. with verse equalization let’s just say curse energy=chakra. And then said that sharingan genjustu which is chakra traveling to opponent MAY be able to get thru it. Which makes no sense since infinity is passively blocking curse energy/chakra attacks.
@@peaky9771 cool bro. Can’t wait for your video to drop that shows you can do so much better. Peace.
@@LihimSidhe I’m almost done recording then I’ll send it to my editor. Is it ok if I feature ur comment?
@@LihimSidhe lmao he explained very well and throughly why Seth was being let’s just say biased or contradictory and you fanboy “wah wah let’s se you do better than daddy Seth”
@@georgec9384 bro is on his knees for Seth
This aged well☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
I would have to side with gojo because I do believe that he would be able to teleport out of a kamui and some of this largely depends on if gojo explains his ability to kakashi and if kakashi can figure out his ability. Also I think dms kakashi would still be venerable to gojos domain because the ms helps with resistance against genjutsu and gojo simply flows ideas into you which I think works different from a genjutsu. It could go either way tbh and it largely depends like you said if kamui can even reach gojo or if gojo is fast enough to escape kamui. I still have to side with gojo for reasons stated and a little bit of bias
But gojo can’t even tag kakashi?
@@baby2breezy_641 he can when he runs out of Chakra probably before that gojos is infinite Kakashi is t and with gojo is literally impossible to hit him it's way more haxed than kamui
@@baby2breezy_641 It depends. If Kakashi gets close enough, Gojo could use Domain Expansion and probably catch Kakashi in it. Also, since Kakashi doesn't have limitless energy and Gojo does because of course he does, he could turn it into a war of attrition, wear out Kakashi, and win that way
@@baby2breezy_641 Even if we assume that Gojo can't catch Kakashi even with teleportation, Kakashi gets tired, he needs to eat, catch his breath, even fall asleep eventually. Gojo doesn't.
@@baby2breezy_641 Why cant he tag kakashi? A bunch of people lesser than the both of them have tagged him in comparison
Hey! I’m sure you’ve probably heard this already but you should do an update to the Goku vs saitama video with the new feats from saitama in the manga- namely, the immeasurable speed feat that he gets which could be enough to speed blitz Goku
Before watching the video: DMS Kakashi is the only one who stands a chance in my opinion. Unless it's a hardcore stat mismatch and Gojo gets his head blitzed off
Yup.
All versions of kakashi gets slams
@@shippuden1322 lol no even Seth says Kakashi scales above gojo in everything only thing saving him is infinity and his domain expansion
@@ftdfijturidtunyjhuif no. Gojo hax is the reason why kakashi losses. Kakashi doesn’t have any counter to infinity and his domain. Remember that gojo also has dura neg, so gojo would easily body any version of kakashi.
@@brakegreg6820 gojo isn't fast enough to hit kakashi with it also kamui negs gojos infinity did u even watch the video kamui doesn't travel a distance it just spawns on u having a barrier isint gonna work if the attack is coming from inside of it
Kakashi slams his copycat
Fax , big copy cat
One thing i will like to point out , u said infinite void gives 6 months of information in 0.2 seconds , by that equation it will take infinite time to give infinite information . So either the 0.2 second statement is false or the infinite information is false coz both cannot co-exist .
Infinite information is an hyperbole (very common in JJK, like saying that Yuta has unlimited cursed energy or that Hakari is immortal)
If it was infinite every single human and curse inside it would die as soon as the technique activated, which isn’t the case
@@guilha1506 idk with that apple example + he himself said " multiple infinites ". Its heavily implied to be true infinites .
Its infinite processes being repeated infinity, the 6 months of info in 0.2 statement is probably false since we clearly see otherwise
@@guilha1506 its infinite information, Yuta doesn't have infinite cursed energy he has more cursed energy than anyone in the verse. Hakari is immortal while he has infinite cursed energy, the only way is to Nullfy the cursed energy
@@Optclzr How it is infinite if it can only give 6 months in 0,2 milliseconds?
Dms kakashi could theoretically negate any incoming damage by just transferring to the pocket dimension, just like Obito… And i don’t believe that domain expansion could stop him from doing that, because (yes i know it sounds cliche) Kakashi would be able to understand the level of danger while it’s being cast.
Gojos domain expansion would render kakashi useless. Gojos CANT MISS attack is overwhelming the brain with information to the point the opponent can’t move. How would kakashi be able to activate kamui if his brain is fried from taking in (as seth even said) MULTIPLE INFINITIES of information?
@@peaky9771 his ability wouldn't work if kakashi was intangible in a different dimension.
I don't think you understand that if kakashi is constantly intangible he can't hit gojo so he has to come out of the intangibility in which case gojo can use the domain expansion and kill him
@@big_shotgun even if he is intangible, as long as he is perceiving information in the real time space, the domain will hit him
@@big_shotgun no while intangible he can use genjutsu or even kamui to rip gojo apart, since the kamii appears on gojo and doesn't have to travel. Also if kakashi is intangible he can go straight to gojo and use sharringan genjutsu directly bypassing any space of infinity. Bc although it is infinite, it is still space and the kamui bypasses space and time
I was very on the fence about this, but after watching this INSANELY detailed video by Seth I give the edge to Kakashi. He has the better solidly argued speed feats, and the kamui in its variations can get it done. Kakashi medium - high diff
would you like to run it on disc? or i can explain if u want why its not the case
Kakashi hasn't killed a single person with his Kamui lol
@@randomestofstrangers7231 and that means??????
@@randomestofstrangers7231 everyone kakashi has fought with kamui has been vastly stronger and faster than him lol
@@Acooky. kamui literally rips through space time what is there to discuss engame kakashi is mftl+ while gojo has only showed faster than sound feats
19:40 he wouldn't get caught in his domain in the first place, even If he did he can just spawn a Shadown Clone outside the Domain and break it, and also use Kamui to TP out of it or just cut right through it, Naruto Characters have much faster speed feats, Base Kid Kakashi would SpeedBlitz the Verse
he couldn't do anything once inside his domain
@KratosMessi-eo1yl bro gojo's domain is different from mahito, 0.299 seconds inside unlimited void is equal to inject 6 months of information, it's enough to make a human stay in coma for a whole month
The long awaited honest truth😩😭🤝
I always told mfs that kamui would bypass infinity because it's a spatial jutsu and people said i was smoking
They must be looking real goofy rn
Why wouldn't Susanoo just work as a simple domain? Cursed energy and chakra are similar enough based on how they are generated from within that the interactions would be comparable to if two cursed energy users went up against each other no?
That's a very intersting point you made. I haven't seen that before
Because it’s not a cursed technique I think. Just because it’s similar doesn’t mean it can just work like that
What ? Cursed energy is so much different than Chakra🤦
@@astraverse2640 Look up how Chakra and cursed energy are produced. There's enough similarities that the two sources should be able to interact with each other.
@@bobfttw Whatyttt? Chakra is something totally not related to cursed energy
In Naruto, chakra is the energy that was introduced to Earth by the alien Kaguya Otsutsuki. The blood of warriors from the endless wars seaped into the soil and bore a Shinju (God Tree). This tree bears chakra fruit, of which Kaguya plucked and ate, attaining unfathomable power.
While cursed energy is generated from negative energy by humans
Most of the video is just explaining that Kakashi MIGHT have a chance of actually landing any sort of blow on Gojo whatsoever and that his ability isn't the most OP thing in all of existance and he will just stand there and let him try.
If Gojo isn't just sitting there and let Kakashi come at him, it's a wash. His defense is almost impenetrable and we are all forgetting that Kakashi literally has no defensive capabilities against Gojo's offense, he'll simply be obliterated. His only chance is that he somehow wins before Gojo even knows what's happening, which ain't happening because Infinite Void is always passively active and Kakashi won't know it's features until he's already dead.
Kakashi is faster has more raw power and has better durability he could just Blitz gojo before he could even think and rip of his head with kamui
Gojo can’t even defeat Sukuna.
An interesting thing that I never see brought up is that physics predicts (string theory specifically) that different universes likely have different physical rules. Gravity, electromagnetic force, nuclear force, and even light speed could vary greatly depending on how the universe, for lack of a better term, "resolved" its creation. Powerscaling regularly puts people at or above light speed, but if we are trying to apply physics to a fictional universe, that only really makes sense if the fundamental laws of that universe are different than ours. Light speed cannot be achieved by an object with mass in our universe, for example.
This isn't especially pertinent to this discussion, but I have watched a lot of your videos and it's something I have thought of. Fictional worlds like Naruto are very obviously not on "our" earth, so things like planet size and speeds of phenomena being used for scaling is an inherently flawed exercise. There's no real viable alternative, but it's something that I have often thought about watching powerscaling videos and don't believe I've ever seen acknowledged.
All that to say, Kakashi wins because I like him more.
Gojo expands the space at the Kamui opening, opening the Kamui focal point kilometres wide instantly. Finishing his chakra
@@anelevilakazi8467 Kamui Warps space so that wouldn't be possible it would just cut through and still do its job. Especially if we're talking kamui shuriken.
Hell nah💀💀💀 gojo slams wdym??💀💀
@@jacksan4482still confident ?
@@jacksan4482Kakashi one taps.
Theoretically it would be possible for Gojo to use the cursed techniques Blue or Red to counter the Kamui since the Kamui rips apart time and space, and the cursed technique can manifest the convergence of reality, basically bringing infinity into that space, and holding it near the Kamui so it has to rip through THAT infinity before getting to Gojo, and Gojo could potentially learn about the Kamui and how it works in terms of space time manipulation since Gojo manipulates space time with his ability as well, and he can use something like Purple to recreate the Kamui as both rip space directly out of existence, just in different ways. The last thing you ever want to do against Gojo Satoru is give him more ideas through seeing your abilities, and Kamui could do just that and give Gojo a perfect counter with his own space time manipulation techniques.
@justanecho exactly what I was thinking I don't know why most people don't say this because it's theoritically very possible since he can manipulate the space that kakashi is warping with kamui
@@princenwankwo9708 Seth does kind of go over this... But he doesnt touch on it much.
@@frogoyes7611 Well tbh he gave both characters big benefits of doubt in this video.
@@nirjhar4803 Commented that under the completely wrong thing. Got mixed up in comment sections
But kamui much quicker
This didn’t age well 😂💯
The biggest issue with Naruto scaling is the absurd speed scaling. Like the average Jonin is FTL. Wtf?
Probably why most good fictional works don't mention specific speed feats because then you end up with power creep and physical impossibilities. If everyone is faster than light why do they ninja run so slow everywhere instead of moving like the flash around the world.
5:02 I'm not sure if ur interested or wanna hear this, but this principle breaks down after a certain point. At 1*10^-35m (Plank length) u cannot feasibly go any smaller, meaning you can't halve it, meaning that eventually in the real world at some point you will reach the turtle, if you choose to continue. This is why such a principle cannot be applied to the real world. The same concept exists in terms of energy, at a certain point long after quarks you reach fundamental forces of the universe which cannot be condensed any further, well as much as we know. This is why sound waves and other forms of energy eventually disperse even though they technically should continue forever if they didn't have some limit. These limits are constants of the universe. Therefore, while Gojo's ability would be very very very effective, he would, if you're going to apply real life physics to his ability - which is inherently a bad idea because it's fiction and you're not supposed to apply real world logic to it - reach a limit. This means that after a certain level of energy or distance he takes in - whichever way you wanna interpret his ability, I'm implying both as it seems the harder you press the more distance you cover - you would touch him. As a result while literally everyone below - let's call it the "Gojo Limit" - the Gojo Limit would be unable to harm him in any way and anyone above it would be able to touch him and harm him physically. This limit can be increased with density of the field and it's size and it's strength would most likely be inversely proportional to the square of the radius of the field emitting off of him. If you disagree lmk I have likely made an error.
These bots are so annoying
Zeno's paradox wouldn't work in real life regardless of whether the universe is quantized or not.
If it's DMS Kakashi, Kamui wins every time.
Gojo doesnt tell people or opponents how his abilities work.
In the Jogo fight, he wanted information about him and who was after him, already knowing he was going to win. He tries to get the curse to enter despair to tell him info for his life. Makes sense that he tells him about his abilities to make him feel hopeless. (+ audience needs to know, but thats kinda bum argument)
In the Toji flashback, he doesnt tell him anything, toji already knows it. And for the other fight with the clone dude, he had already won before the fight began and he knew it. When going up against Toji he wasnt sure if he could win, AND that was before his “awakening” where he figured out he wasnt invincible.
In the Goodwill event, he literally breaks the curtain and then like instantly bodies Hanami from like a mile away. Plus they already know how strong he is.
In Shibuya, he “cant” use 5/6 of his main abilities. Its literally the point of the arc, to put him on his backfoot. He also doesnt tell anyone how his abilities work, since Geto already told them.
I dont know where this misconception came from, there is no way that Gojo tells Kakashi how his shit works unless he needs the binding vow amp for some reason.
Me thinking Gojo bodies Kakashi, then remembering how strong Naruto-verse is
And Pain can fold Orochimaru even harder than sick Itachi, cause Itachi just blitzed and sealed him, he didn't actually fairly kill him, Orochi was just cocky cause Itachi was dying and on his last feet, not to mention that sage mode Jiraiya is considerably stronger than Orochimaru.
SM Naruto was also stronger than Hebi sasuke, so thematically speaking: Nagato would be above Itachi, since they both "lost" against weaker opponents and were equally handicapped.
But, uh... why are you mentioning any of this under a video about Kakashi vs Gojo? I'm honestly confused. I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish with that statement.
Three words.
Poison…Gas…Bomb.
Gojo has to breathe, has stated that poison is a weakness, and canonically such weapons exist in Naruto universe as basic ninja tools.