Dave Meltzer: “So here’s the deal, Chris Jericho and The Young Bucks, decided to instead of doing a traditional wrestling match, that they would pull their pants down and do a shit in the ring, it wasn’t to most people’s taste but hey, they got a reaction, 4 stars”
The worst thing Tony Khan ever did was giving irrelevant people like The Bucks and Dave Meltzer feel like they have any sort of impact in the wrestling industry.
Kurt Angle matches against Shawn Michaels Undertaker Brock Lesnar Benoit Samoa Joe and AJ Styles should have been awarded 5 Stars. Screw Meltzer pettiness towards Kurt Angle matches
@@kingslayer2999 agree to disagree if 5 stars is best ever no one is above 4.75 as no match is perfect even the best will tell u 1 thing they wish was done differently,Dave is a washed old fool spouting crap for cash imo
Meltzer is essentially grading athletic synchronicity as the sole fundamental criteria in what constitutes a good wrestling match; which is an unfathomable mentality for an individual who has invested his life in covering wrestling.
I'm BAFFLED that Toni Storm was women's wrestler/gimmick of the year and a week later Khan changes her gimmick and sticks her on collision and ppv pre shows
@@Algo1 I believe more that she was a 20s movie star than her getting donked in the head with a shoe and thinks she's new to the wrestling business lol
Of course Will Ospreay got 5 stars. He’s literally incapable of letting Dave down. He could take a shit in the middle of the ring and he’d still get 5 stars.
@@undertakernumberone1more like a scent of jealousy 😂😂😂😂😂 raw may of been bad but people actively wanted to watch tge debut I'd rather be seen by millions than 12 nerds all fantasy bookers no balls 😂😂😂😂
The biggest character arc in AEW right now: Konosuke in 2023 according to Jim Cornette: Takeashit Konosuke in 2024 according to Jim Cornette: Our Boy Take
It's a big misunderstanding that people think cause you are part of "The Cult" that you agree with everything that's being said, wrestlers have went after the so called toxic fan base of Corny not having a clue why we listen, you don't have to be in total agreement with everything to enjoy the delivery of how he says it, pure comedy gold 😂
Kurt angle, John cena, triple H, Shawn Michaels, undertaker, Batista, AJ Styles, CM punk, Brock Lesnar, rock, stone cold should all have way more 5+ star matches than will ospreay.
Meltzer just gave Kenny Omega vs Gabe Kidd in NJPW 5.25 stars, whatever that means. Wont be a popular opinion here but I really enjoyed the match. As a fan, these star ratings really ruin enjoyable matches. Instead of folks discussing the match, they’re talking about what Dave’s ratings mean. He’s done more damage than good to pro wrestling.
@@kidvillain188 I have a lot of respect for Omega being able to still work at a high level after the injuries/health issues he’s had. They told a great story and Kidd was seriously elevated. Hope Omega continues to drift further from AEW as they continue to grow worse.
Nah, I'm gonna give you that one. Omega for some reason is a lot better when he is in New Japan and gets serious. His matches with Okada and Naito a few years ago were amazing
@@darkwarrior1194 agreed. It’s almost like when good talent work in experienced environments with discipline and professionalism, we get a better product. Who would’ve thought??
The thing is no one would be upset about Dave's star ratings if he'd just say "look, this is just all based on my personal tastes and opinions guys, so chill out" but because he uses his own star ratings to say "you can't say this guy sucks, look how many 5 star matches he had" that's why people rip on him so much.
Ospreay with 15 five 🌟 matches for the Calendar year and Kurt Angle doesn't have 1 to his name during his entire Career. Just let that sink in.. Ridiculous
Tbf hogan never had a match past 3/5 stars. He was a great showman not a wrestler. That being said mariah vs thunder rosa being rated that high is ridiculous if the same match happened in WWE Dave will give it 2.5 stars
When I was a kid Dave's star ratings meant a lot to me (it's how I discovered Punk vs Joe, Misawa, Kobashi and the rest of the 90s all Japan legends)now it's crazy what a joke he's become even by his own standards and how he used to rate matches
I personally think Ospreay vs Okada is possibly one of AEW's best matches, the pacing was different to most other matches, it felt like a main event match
As an aside from the first minute of the vid, what sense does it make to have Jeff Jarrett go from "dark matches" on a PPV to supposedly being inserted into the main event world title picture one week later?
So Ospreay had 2 5star matches in one night. Not to mention he had 15 5 star or higher matches in 2024 while WWE has had 20 as a company the entire time Uncle Dave has been doing his star review
Meltzer has previously said that even with his infinite scale, a 4.75 still means it is a match of the year contender. So this one PPV had two match of the year contenders. Looking at IWD, Meltzer considered at least 79 matches to be "match of the year contender" quality last year (with ~28 being AEW). When so many matches are being rated so high, it isn't that they are special but rather that you have a skewed view of "average".
He blocks them I've heard, that's your badge of honour in my world, you should get a medal in the post saying Dave Meltzer blocked me or a t shirt at least 😂
@@ScottRen14 You must be a very intelligent person with a good head on your shoulders , you are a hero in my book bud 👍 he shouldn't dish it out if he can't take criticism, he has autism (Asperger's probably) with a seasoning of dementia n uses boot polish to colour his hair, he's so young 😂
I agree with Jim on how Okada moves in the ring, but I also feel like Cody Rhodes moves in a similar way. They both seem extremely stiff and overly cautious.
Now that we got a confirmation about Tony Khan receiving booking advices from Dave, is it safe to say that maybe Dave himself is in fact booking stuff in a unnoficial way? Like "Hey Tony, here is the story i wrote! You can take all the credit!"
Will Ospreay got sixteen 5-star matches in just one year. WWE has twenty 5-star matches overall. Ospreay must have the greatest dick in the world because Dave keeps giving him all these 5-star ratings when most of them aren’t even that great.
@ yup. Which is why AEW can’t draw casual fans. Every match is the same. WWE has a lot of faults, but different wrestlers have different styles. Oh, and they have character beyond “I can do flippy stuff.”
A lot of the criticism Jim has about Mercedes could apply to MJF. He’s a better speaker than her but MJF hasn’t moved the ratings or sold any extra tickets in about 2 years. & he clearly thinks he’s a bigger star than he really is, other wise he’d of left AEW when he had the opportunity to.
Meltzer has given Ospreay more 5 stars than Mitsuharu Misawa. Let that sink in. He thinks that gymnast is better than one of the greatest wrestlers ever. Great workhorses like Dean Malenko, Hardcore Holly and Perry Saturn have never gotten a 5 star match. Ospreay on his best night isn't even 3 stars.
I disagree with Jim's assessment of Okada vs Ospreay, I thought Okada actually showed up for that one, but that star rating is still ridiculously high lol
That is exactly why Mercedes Monet isn't Sasha Banks right now. Vince lets her and that other one leave early,as tag team champions because they had stuff they wanted to do. They get a tiny bit of success and both their heads grow 3 sizes like The Grinch's Heart. Naomi was knocked back down to Earth when nobody but IMPACT wanted her. This one needs to have her humbling moment,whatever it is.
I’d like to actually see the numbers on who’s more over, Nia Jax or Mercedes. Because one is considered one of the worst women workers and the other is considered the best, but simply because of how they’re presented it feels like Jax is legit a bigger deal
In kayfabe the best matches would be squashes where the winner beats their opponent as quickly and handily as possible. If the star ratings made sense he'd be judging em off of kayfabe. I mean if it takes Ospreay forty five minutes to beat Pockets and he has to use every move he's ever learned to do it, Ospreay's a shitty wrestler in the context of the story. Who gives a shit if it was a good display of athletics and gymnastics? We wanna see good athletes doing cool moves, yes, but we also need to care about WHY they're DOING the moves. Otherwise they're all replaceable and who gives a crap
I’m shocked Meltzer is soured on Adam Cole & MJF. Dude would give them both four stars just for showing up. Also Corny is right, AEW and its fans aren’t big on “context” they just want their dream matches. No one remembers half of the matches a month later, but they act like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread
@steveedwards9451 yeah I know. The other guy seem puzzled if Vader was dead tho. Back then he wasn't bc Dave Meltzer reports fake news all the time but today he is.
From 1997 to 2004 he didn't rate a single North American match 5 stars. No 5 stars at all in any promotion in 2001 or 2002 and NONE from 2006-2011. Now he did do a lot of 4 and 3/4 because I guess Kurt Angle, Benoit, Bryan Danielson were just not worthy. But then like Goku he just keeps finding a level beyond in 2015 with New Japan and eventually Omega showed up and then Ospreay
Mercedes/Statlander wasn’t even a “great” match imo. I guess it is good compared to the terrible matches Mercedes has had before these last two. But it was still very awkward at times, with zero psychology/story, very little selling from nonsensical moves like a tombstone on the apron, and a bad finish.
Dave gives more Stars than AEW actually has
This should be a pinned comment.😂
😂😂
Name one "star" that currently works for AEW. I'll wait....... 🍿
Damn. Stop bullying them mate 😂😂😂😂😂🎉
👏👏👏
Dave Meltzer: “So here’s the deal, Chris Jericho and The Young Bucks, decided to instead of doing a traditional wrestling match, that they would pull their pants down and do a shit in the ring, it wasn’t to most people’s taste but hey, they got a reaction, 4 stars”
You're missing a few dozen "ums" and "ya knows" but yeah besides that everything checks out
Damn, Dave is going off the Bucks, only 4 stars?
Briiiiiaaaaan.
Isn’t that what they usually do whenever they try to wrestle?
😂 I read that in his voice!
The worst thing Tony Khan ever did was giving irrelevant people like The Bucks and Dave Meltzer feel like they have any sort of impact in the wrestling industry.
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You can remember a Kurt Angle match
You can’t remember a Will Ospreay match
It's like tge bucks in a weird way if you've seen 1 match you've basically seen it all...
I remember this one from WCPW a few years back where the top rope broke... but that's more because the top rope broke
Kurt Angle matches against Shawn Michaels Undertaker Brock Lesnar Benoit Samoa Joe and AJ Styles should have been awarded 5 Stars. Screw Meltzer pettiness towards Kurt Angle matches
“im no where near the level of kurt angle” - ostrich
@@kingslayer2999 agree to disagree if 5 stars is best ever no one is above 4.75 as no match is perfect even the best will tell u 1 thing they wish was done differently,Dave is a washed old fool spouting crap for cash imo
I seriously believe Mario 64 has fewer stars than Uncle Dave’s AEW stash.
Oh no, that ran out a long time ago. You'd have to count every star from every individual Mario title at this point.
I think Will Osprey alone has more stars than Mario 64
Meltzer is essentially grading athletic synchronicity as the sole fundamental criteria in what constitutes a good wrestling match; which is an unfathomable mentality for an individual who has invested his life in covering wrestling.
It would be like grading an action movie by how crisp the stunts are
*criterion
I read this in a british accent.
I wouldn't be shocked if Dave has dementia of some sort.
If Travis drew this in the Tokyo Dome, Uncle Dave would have given him 7 stars
“If the live crowds don’t react or understand the stories it’s their own fault”- Dave.
Dave sounds like a liberal nutcase.
I'm BAFFLED that Toni Storm was women's wrestler/gimmick of the year and a week later Khan changes her gimmick and sticks her on collision and ppv pre shows
that is weird booking lol
Atp, I'd be more baffled if he was able to capitalize on her momentum.
@@WillS724 to be fair, the gimmick is working (because of Toni, not Tony, ofc).
@@Algo1 I believe more that she was a 20s movie star than her getting donked in the head with a shoe and thinks she's new to the wrestling business lol
Mercedes Mone probably exercised her creative control out of saltiness
Of course Will Ospreay got 5 stars. He’s literally incapable of letting Dave down. He could take a shit in the middle of the ring and he’d still get 5 stars.
And it would still be better than thst netflix raw LMAo
@@scentofslaughter8854 and still be watched by less, but far more insecure about the product they are watching, people.
@@undertakernumberone1more like a scent of jealousy 😂😂😂😂😂 raw may of been bad but people actively wanted to watch tge debut I'd rather be seen by millions than 12 nerds all fantasy bookers no balls 😂😂😂😂
@@scentofslaughter8854 It's highly disturbing that watching someone taking a dump actually appeals to you....
GG Osprey - "You'll Never Tame Me"
The biggest character arc in AEW right now:
Konosuke in 2023 according to Jim Cornette: Takeashit
Konosuke in 2024 according to Jim Cornette: Our Boy Take
Long term storytelling
Is his name not Takeshita?
I don't even care if I'll end up agreeing or not with Corny, but listening to him about Dave, Hogan and others is hilarious
I dont agree with Cornette's politics.... but the guy knows wrestling and is hilarious with his criticism
It's a big misunderstanding that people think cause you are part of "The Cult" that you agree with everything that's being said, wrestlers have went after the so called toxic fan base of Corny not having a clue why we listen, you don't have to be in total agreement with everything to enjoy the delivery of how he says it, pure comedy gold 😂
I don't always agree with everything either. However I'm pretty much in agreement with him about the neckbeards and traitors.
Kurt angle, John cena, triple H, Shawn Michaels, undertaker, Batista, AJ Styles, CM punk, Brock Lesnar, rock, stone cold should all have way more 5+ star matches than will ospreay.
Dave saves that 5th star for flips
Travis deserves 7 stars for this and he's not even in the Tokyo Dome.
8 stars if it's in the Tokyo dome and ostrich wins.
Travis You Bloody Beautiful Bastard, where's the Ospreay as Azrael, the cat??? 😂😂😂😂😂
This one is tremendous ❤
Osprey as Azrael FTW
@patrickbarnes9462 so that's the english name 👍 i didn't knew that, we had a different name in Poland for the cat xd
@@JaculaDudekWhat is it in Polish?
@@ZombifiedBuizel Klakier
"Dances With Smurfs"
*ONE Smurf-Berry!*
😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂
I can't click these fast enough 😂
Yep
From your moms basement, I'm sure..
Hello Tony Khan burner account@@davey3884
@@davey3884
Yours
@davey3884 and you actively troll Corny's pages desperate for likes. So what does that make you?
Meltzer just gave Kenny Omega vs Gabe Kidd in NJPW 5.25 stars, whatever that means.
Wont be a popular opinion here but I really enjoyed the match. As a fan, these star ratings really ruin enjoyable matches. Instead of folks discussing the match, they’re talking about what Dave’s ratings mean. He’s done more damage than good to pro wrestling.
Excellent match.
I thought it was really good. I really only watched it because I haven't seen Gabe Kidd since his WCPW/Defiant days.
@@kidvillain188 I have a lot of respect for Omega being able to still work at a high level after the injuries/health issues he’s had. They told a great story and Kidd was seriously elevated. Hope Omega continues to drift further from AEW as they continue to grow worse.
Nah, I'm gonna give you that one. Omega for some reason is a lot better when he is in New Japan and gets serious. His matches with Okada and Naito a few years ago were amazing
@@darkwarrior1194 agreed. It’s almost like when good talent work in experienced environments with discipline and professionalism, we get a better product. Who would’ve thought??
The thing is no one would be upset about Dave's star ratings if he'd just say "look, this is just all based on my personal tastes and opinions guys, so chill out" but because he uses his own star ratings to say "you can't say this guy sucks, look how many 5 star matches he had" that's why people rip on him so much.
Dave has said that, and this podcast covered that with great hilarity.
osprey could fight his own shadow and melzter would still give him 5.
Like Undertaker vs Underfaker, but non-stop synchronized gymnastic routines.
Hobbs and Wardlow need to get the f out of that company. With some work they could be monsters in NXT
Osprey could take a dump in the ring and Dave would give it 5 stars
7 if it happens in the Tokyo Dome
Ospreay with 15 five 🌟 matches for the Calendar year and Kurt Angle doesn't have 1 to his name during his entire Career. Just let that sink in.. Ridiculous
16, But it's still Ridiculous
Same thing goes to Triple H, Mick Foley, Randy Orton, Bobby Roode, Shinsuke Nakamura, and Edge.
@@deontebelladonna6486 Guerrero too i believe smh
@@ScottRen14 Guerrero, Melenko, Mysterio, James Storm, Shelly and Saban, It just keeps going.
@@deontebelladonna6486 I think Mysterio and Psychosis got a 5 star in ECW
I give infinity stars for Travis' work. I can always tell Cornys clips are gonna be great just by what Travis draws
Travis keeps upping his game
I am back to give more praise to the Director of Thumbnail Operations😂
One of the all-time Travis masterpieces. As an '80s kid, I am fully marked out.
Love that image! May be my second favorite ever, behind the LOTR one.
The World will End before Dave Meltzer gives AEW Legitimate 🌟 Ratings
I remind people that thunder rosa vs Mariah May got a better star rating than the rock vs hulk hogan. On what planet???
Tbf hogan never had a match past 3/5 stars. He was a great showman not a wrestler. That being said mariah vs thunder rosa being rated that high is ridiculous if the same match happened in WWE Dave will give it 2.5 stars
Dave and Tony has poisoned AEW and NJPW with overhype “great” comments and star ratings
And meanwhile Kurt Angle has zero five star matches…
When I was a kid Dave's star ratings meant a lot to me (it's how I discovered Punk vs Joe, Misawa, Kobashi and the rest of the 90s all Japan legends)now it's crazy what a joke he's become even by his own standards and how he used to rate matches
Smurfberries are more over than pockets. Thanks again Travis 😂
Does ‘Dementia Dave’ even know where he is half the time? The rasslin’ business is past him at this point.
I think he has legit dementia with Autism maybe Asperger's, I wish I was joking but it's kinda obvious
Why does ospreay always get 5 stars? One or two or three 5 star matches? Maybe. But every match is somehow 5 stars
His bangers and mash tastes good to dave i guess.
Ospeay gets .0001 stars for every move that looks cooperative. Adds that up and it is easy to get to at least 5.0
I think Kenny dumped Dave and Osprey's his rebound. Could be wrong tho
He gets 0.1 stars for every flip. It all adds up in the end to get 5 stars. +2 stars extra if it's in the Tokyo dome
Bro the thumbnail!!!! 🤘🏾🤘🏾🤘🏾
I don't know about the flame thing. They brought out a literal flamethrower before and I still didn't care. It's ridiculous.
Lol great thumbnail
I personally think Ospreay vs Okada is possibly one of AEW's best matches, the pacing was different to most other matches, it felt like a main event match
Hope we get some star ratings from the Tokyo Dome shows so we can get 7 and 8 stars
As an aside from the first minute of the vid, what sense does it make to have Jeff Jarrett go from "dark matches" on a PPV to supposedly being inserted into the main event world title picture one week later?
I'll think of this as an appetizer before we get the observer awards in a month or so
So Ospreay had 2 5star matches in one night. Not to mention he had 15 5 star or higher matches in 2024 while WWE has had 20 as a company the entire time Uncle Dave has been doing his star review
Got my morning poops material thanks guys
Meltzer has previously said that even with his infinite scale, a 4.75 still means it is a match of the year contender. So this one PPV had two match of the year contenders. Looking at IWD, Meltzer considered at least 79 matches to be "match of the year contender" quality last year (with ~28 being AEW). When so many matches are being rated so high, it isn't that they are special but rather that you have a skewed view of "average".
Uncle Dave: Kurt Thomas gave a six star performance in Gymkata!🙃
Jim rags on the pointer sisters and then makes a jumping jack flash reference for all the kids out there.👌
I thought Corny was going to call Meltzer "Uncle Dave the wrestling goof" instead of guru at the beginning there...lol.
I love the video, but i dont need more fuel for my nightmares with the thumbnail, its beautiful
So that means that 16 of Will's opponents had 5 star matches as well
And There all going to be forgotten lol
@@deontebelladonna6486 facts don't even know who the 16 are lol
Has anyone ever called out Meltzer on Twitter for his stupid ratings system?
@@vincesmith2499 all the time lol, he’s known to respond too
He blocks them I've heard, that's your badge of honour in my world, you should get a medal in the post saying Dave Meltzer blocked me or a t shirt at least 😂
They do and he has me blocked because of it , he's very thin skinned
@@ScottRen14 You must be a very intelligent person with a good head on your shoulders , you are a hero in my book bud 👍 he shouldn't dish it out if he can't take criticism, he has autism (Asperger's probably) with a seasoning of dementia n uses boot polish to colour his hair, he's so young 😂
@@deathmetalmadness4642 it was something so trivial though, it was wierd it felt strange
I hope someone asks Dave what the big spots were in each of those Ospreay matches
I haven’t watched much of Okada’s AEW run. Is he that broken down now? I know Tana and Naito are.
Flair vs Steamboat. What rating did it get? I know Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels at Wrestle Mania 25 did get a 5 star match.
I agree with Jim on how Okada moves in the ring, but I also feel like Cody Rhodes moves in a similar way. They both seem extremely stiff and overly cautious.
I get the vibe from Mercedes that out in public. She’s the girl going “DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM”!!
She absolutely has to be a Karen. Guaranteed. I'll bet she shops at Target and everything
Gargamel Cornette and Meltzette
If a tree does a shooting star press in the forest, but know one saw it, did it matter?
Travis Heckel...... 10 Stars! 👍
Man, this makes me want to watch a Kurt angle match now
Same
Now that we got a confirmation about Tony Khan receiving booking advices from Dave, is it safe to say that maybe Dave himself is in fact booking stuff in a unnoficial way? Like "Hey Tony, here is the story i wrote! You can take all the credit!"
Cue up "Star Star" from the Rolling Stones.
With Ospreay’s matches, I just add a “-“ in front of Dave’s star ratings for him.
Joe Hendry drew more in a few weeks last summer than literally everyone in Aew
He was an actual worldwide recording star
Jim actually thought he found a rhyme and reason to Dava's star ratings for a couple of minutes!
I mean if you like no sells and a thousand kick outs of finishers, then you probably deserve 5 stars.
Did they reuse some art?
Only Steven Flowe can save AEW.
Will Ospreay got sixteen 5-star matches in just one year.
WWE has twenty 5-star matches overall.
Ospreay must have the greatest dick in the world because Dave keeps giving him all these 5-star ratings when most of them aren’t even that great.
They are all exactly the same. Every Osprey match looks like every Osprey match.
@@tuuk17him, the Bucks and Omega. They all do the exact same things in every match.
@ yup. Which is why AEW can’t draw casual fans. Every match is the same. WWE has a lot of faults, but different wrestlers have different styles. Oh, and they have character beyond “I can do flippy stuff.”
Tony Falk never had that many five star matches and neither did Bret Hart for his entire career!
Dave is an idiot.
Tony Faulk never had a five star nothing 😂 waffels n tire irons
@sammmm87 ...but how many of Tony Falk's matches happened in Tokyo? He was operating at a disadvantage with Dave his entire career!
The picture 😅
A lot of the criticism Jim has about Mercedes could apply to MJF. He’s a better speaker than her but MJF hasn’t moved the ratings or sold any extra tickets in about 2 years. & he clearly thinks he’s a bigger star than he really is, other wise he’d of left AEW when he had the opportunity to.
Yet no one is talking about any Ospreay match a week later
Meltzer has given Ospreay more 5 stars than Mitsuharu Misawa. Let that sink in. He thinks that gymnast is better than one of the greatest wrestlers ever.
Great workhorses like Dean Malenko, Hardcore Holly and Perry Saturn have never gotten a 5 star match.
Ospreay on his best night isn't even 3 stars.
It’s sucks that Jim doesn’t seem to recall any of mercedes wwe run. He’ll learn to appreciate her once she returns.
I’m giving this breakdown 5.75 out of 5 stars.
I bet Dave gave some ridiculous star rating for Jagoff Osprey
I disagree with Jim's assessment of Okada vs Ospreay, I thought Okada actually showed up for that one, but that star rating is still ridiculously high lol
@@L3ghair Okada definitely moves a lot slower than he used to but he’s still putting in the work
@ oh for sure, I just thought he actually ramped it up a bit in that one and looked much closer to the Okada we remember.
Whatever Dave gives a match, take off 2-3 stars for a more realistic rating.
I feel like Dave looks more Gargamel than Corny 😂
Bret Hart has like 2 5 star matches. But prepared ospreay gets 16. 😂😂😂
Dave Meltzer is going to give the most stars ever in his career at the Tokyo Dome with Wrestle Kingdom
If NFL refs can secretly be on The Chiefs payroll, then Uncle Dave can secretly be on AEWs
That is exactly why Mercedes Monet isn't Sasha Banks right now. Vince lets her and that other one leave early,as tag team champions because they had stuff they wanted to do. They get a tiny bit of success and both their heads grow 3 sizes like The Grinch's Heart. Naomi was knocked back down to Earth when nobody but IMPACT wanted her. This one needs to have her humbling moment,whatever it is.
Hobbs is going to be such a star in WWE when he gets there.
I’d like to actually see the numbers on who’s more over, Nia Jax or Mercedes. Because one is considered one of the worst women workers and the other is considered the best, but simply because of how they’re presented it feels like Jax is legit a bigger deal
I’m confident that Dave rates matches by time. The longer the match, the more stars it gets. Longest match get 5 stars.
In kayfabe the best matches would be squashes where the winner beats their opponent as quickly and handily as possible. If the star ratings made sense he'd be judging em off of kayfabe.
I mean if it takes Ospreay forty five minutes to beat Pockets and he has to use every move he's ever learned to do it, Ospreay's a shitty wrestler in the context of the story. Who gives a shit if it was a good display of athletics and gymnastics?
We wanna see good athletes doing cool moves, yes, but we also need to care about WHY they're DOING the moves. Otherwise they're all replaceable and who gives a crap
Why would they have Hobbs lose on the PPV then immediately make him the number one contender?
I’m shocked Meltzer is soured on Adam Cole & MJF. Dude would give them both four stars just for showing up. Also Corny is right, AEW and its fans aren’t big on “context” they just want their dream matches. No one remembers half of the matches a month later, but they act like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread
I don't think Dave realises that as much as he's a fan of certain things that he has to be objective.
Anyone remember when Meltzer fell for the "Vader dead" gag?
Vader's dead?
@@bled83 It was a joke post on a Wrestling message board in the early 90's. Meltzer thought it was real an did a story on it thinking he had a scoop.
@bled83 since that 90s fake news tho, Vader really died in 2018. His son inducted him in the WWE hall of fame later on.
@@joshhildreth It was a joke but Meltzer took it seriously.
@steveedwards9451 yeah I know. The other guy seem puzzled if Vader was dead tho. Back then he wasn't bc Dave Meltzer reports fake news all the time but today he is.
I thought the end of The World happened decades ago when WWE decided to shut down that awful excuse for a restaurant they had down... 😂😂😂😂😂
Can we please get a Corny Bar sinister?
watching Okada's Japanese matches are gold. AEW just threw him into a shit pile and kept him there.
...bold prediction...
...when AEW gets around to announcing their own Hall of Fame...Dave will be in the first group...
From 1997 to 2004 he didn't rate a single North American match 5 stars. No 5 stars at all in any promotion in 2001 or 2002 and NONE from 2006-2011.
Now he did do a lot of 4 and 3/4 because I guess Kurt Angle, Benoit, Bryan Danielson were just not worthy.
But then like Goku he just keeps finding a level beyond in 2015 with New Japan and eventually Omega showed up and then Ospreay
Cornymel
Dave must have been watching this on the Japanese channel.
Mercedes/Statlander wasn’t even a “great” match imo. I guess it is good compared to the terrible matches Mercedes has had before these last two. But it was still very awkward at times, with zero psychology/story, very little selling from nonsensical moves like a tombstone on the apron, and a bad finish.