Captain Joe, my grandfather flew for 50 years. I found out later, he never had a license. He didn’t know to check for water in the fuel until I showed him when I was a student pilot. His instrument was a bolt hanging from a string. I tried to explain to him that their is no way that can be effective. He swore it was. It was a different era. I wonder how many other old farmers like him were the same.
These videos are starting to seem like an impressively high budget operation. Joe is not only a world class pilot, but he’s quickly becoming a world class cinematographer as well. 👍🏼
@@flywithcaptainjoe What do the lights on the airplane next to the bathrooms and in the middle of the plane mean? The only colors I’ve seen are red, blue, and orange.
Not only as a pilots but also, when I was a passenger in a plane, I thought we were leveled and making a slight left turn, but my GPS was showing as making a right turn and the pilot was saying that were climbing out.
Not a pilot but I had this while scuba diving. I was surfacing and 20 feet underwater and suddenly it felt like I was moving sideways going 10 mph..yet I was in a calm lake. My eyes didn't show this but I felt it 100 percent as certain as you're feeling gravity. It was spooky and eye opening.
Kinda similar, but in reverse: Snowboarding in whiteout conditions. I stopped and bent down to tighten my straps. Looked up to discover I was going sideways at an appreciable speed.
@@flywithcaptainjoe without instruments, in blackwater conditions always but also with good visibility you can be completely confused as to which way up is. At least for up and down you can look at which way air bubbles are going, but if you don't have visual landmarks you can be in an extremely strong current and not notice. This can happen when surfacing from a deep dive where you can't see the ship while ascending.
@@HesderOleh That's why (if you're interested in penetrating a hulk in even moderately deep water, you bring along an extra reel or two, and tie off to the anchor chain or rope to your dive-boat/charter. Cave Divers have unique "Cookies" but if I recall correctly, Shipwreck explorers use a pinging or thumping flasher clipped onto their individual guide lines. EVERYBODY should use "arrows" that clip into the guideline and point the way back out, just in case you do drop the line, you can refind it, but you can also get turned around easily in a wreck. Everything is sideways or upside down and every which a way... The point is never lose sight of your guideline, and if conditions get dark or silty, KEEP your hands on it, whether you're working a reel, or someone else works the reel and you're the "dive buddy" following, slipping the line through fingers 100% might be tedious, but it beats the hell out of getting lost and stuck in a silted-out space with no idea what the f*** went wrong. ;o)
My father was a twin engine qualified pilot and navigator in the RCAF during WWII. He didn't plan on it, but he graduated high enough that he was kept back to become a trainer and then the war ended. He told me enough flight school horror stories that I avoid flying as much as possible. BTW, I served 2 years on a Nimitiz class carrier and that affirmed my belief that my A** belongs on the ground-John in Texas
As a non-pilot, ground dweller I didn’t understand how pilots could get disoriented in the air until I started watching aviation UA-camrs. This is the best explanation I have seen so far. You really did a great job of demonstrating the effect for us “passengers”. 👍🏼 Question: when I’m riding in a 737 and it feels like the plane is climbing or descending, is that what’s actually happening or is my brain tricking me?
Not a pilot: in some situations probably (turbulence during otherwise straight and level flight). I feel this most commonly with a change in flaps setting, where it is AFAIK not the case. We humans have no way to feel speed, our vestibular system (inner ear) can only feel acceleration. So after a while a continuous and constant speed climb feels like straight and level, if the flaps come up, the vertical velocity decreases without a change in aircraft attitude. Our inner ear can only tell that there is a negative vertical acceleration, even though the net vertical velocity is still very much positive. Similar during the approach, when the flaps come out the vertical velocity decreases (felt positive acceleration).
This was great, that look up at the cabin roof was great moment, excellent training, this would be excellent to experience as I work through Commercial License.
@@KiyokaMakibi most likely a sence of tumbling, very disoriented feeling. Once he acknowledged that he no longer felt the spinning, that was key to the instructor that the fluid in his inner ear had stabilized, a quick head movement would then cause the fluid to move. Had an instructor do similar with me. I closed my eyes, head down, he flew airplane and did different maneuvers then had me tilt head back, and side to side, then said recover, I was physically disoriented and felt like I was free falling and tumbling yet the airplane was back in level flight, no “recovery” necessary. If I had listened to my body instead of trusting instruments, I’d had pulled up and stalled. The fight to trust and interpret what my eyes saw was a struggle. After 20-30 seconds my brain stabilized its feeling and my senses returns to normal.
I went to a place in Lake Wanaka, New Zealand called “Puzzle world”. Basically it was a museum where you could experience optical illusions In an interesting or fun way. The attraction that period my mind was a room that was tilted on a slope, 30 or 40° ,Yet all the furniture and elements in it were Built as though they were on a level horizon. This meant that inside the room you could watch water running ‘Uphill’ And into a fountain. You could play snooker where the balls rolled Upill and stayed there, And you could Watch yourself in a mirror lean over With The soles of your feet flush with the floor Everyone in the room was enjoying themselves and seemed in awe As they looked around but the whole time my head felt obscenely uncomfortable and swelling and heavy and like nothing I’ve ever experienced before. I had to get out almost straight away. I walked down the slope to the exit Which was an open doorway at the end of the room (You entered at the top of the slope via stairs). As I went to leave I saw that I would have to Step through that door frame and walk up a slope to get to the next area. I leaned my body weight into the slope and stepped out on the balls of my feet… It was, of course, Flat floor and I went for a nice face plant. On the plus side it didn’t take long for my head to pipe down again.
I get students to experience this in the cockpit of any ordinary plane with ease (and without needing to put them in a spin). I have them fly into spatial disorientation themselves before having them then recover the moment they fly it into an unusual attitude. Works like a charm and really sinks home the fact they can't trust their feelings.
@@LTVoyager I have them close their eyes, then I have them fly a combination of 3 left/right standard rate turns (of 90 or 180deg each, of what they think/feel is a standard rate turn). Or, even easier, have them fly 1 left or right 180 standard rate turn followed by a 90deg standard rate turn in the opposite direction. Takes 30sec to 1min for the fluid to neutralize in the ear. after that, there is nothing they can do and they will fly into an unusual attitude, at which point I have them open their eyes and recover. I have another method as well, but a sharp student will catch on if not done right, and it doesn't teach teh right lesson (it does teach a different lesson though). best to just let them fly into it as described above. I did avoid flying into unusual attitudes when a DPE did the above to me during my Helicopter CFI checkride. but I used a sneaky trick to avoid losing control that is hard to do and describe (but not cheating at all). After many requested changes in direction and altitude he finally took over and flew me into an unusual attitude. He never asked and I never told him how I was doing it (and no, I was not peaking).
@@SoloRenegade Most days you don’t even have to maneuver, especially if there is a little turbulence. Just trying to fly straight and level will end up in an unusual attitude quickly enough.
@@LTVoyager yes, but I can't rely upon having turbulent weather on the day we do unusual attitudes. and it also doesn't sink the lesson home as effectively either.
Captain Joe, this was fantastic!! I understand what spatial disorientation is, and it is amazing that you now have an actual simulator to train for these situations. This was very interesting and educational! Thoroughly enjoyed your presentation of this danger to not just pilots (although it IS the focus of your channel), but can be applied to many different things. Thanks for this awesome presentation!! Looking forward to the next one!! Stay safe out/up there!! Cheers!! 💕✈✈💕
Best sponsored video ever! Not a pilot, although have been surprised and disoriented going to the flight deck (in old days!) and seeing the horizon all pitched over when I thought we were flying straight and level. There is a ground situation like this, called whiteout (also less severe thing called flat light) that you can get on snow. The ground totally blends into the the sky and it's very frightening. You lose all spatial orientation, and can even get sick. I had it when I was downhill snow skiing, foggy and snowing pretty well, low visibility. Luckily I was just off the lift, so not going fast yet. I was pretty much trapped at the top of the mountain, in a white envelope of weirdness, until conditions improved. I needed tinted goggles to give more contrast b/t ground and sky, but that day, I doubt anything would have worked. I've also had it while driving in a snowstorm, esp if no other cars or references.
I was twenty taking flight lessons had about 15 hours. I left the airport solo to practice some basic flight time. When I took off the weather was clear and VFR. Then quickly the smog from Detroit factories rolled in quickly. I couldn’t see the ground or much of anything. The Cessna 150 had basic instruments only. Then I remembered my flight instructor words he always said. Trust the planes instruments. Radioed for help. Tower gave me directions until they found me on radar. Then followed a twin engine plane back to the airport. The weather turn IFR and the pilot I was following guided me back. Follow your instruments. Great video
Hey Captain Joe, can you please make a video explaining the origin and, more importantly, how the three essential flight instruments and their physical mechanisms work when the aircraft experiences the same forces as the pilot flying.
Great video as always Joe! Some of your obs on landing went a bit over my head, but my takeaway was to realise that despite the huge technological capabilities of modern aircraft, there still has to be attention paid to the physiological quirks and natural responses of the human body. However, awareness of the various types of SD, and the applications of training in what to expect - and how to respond, can only be a good thing, and of great benefit to all pilots. Thank you for another super video!
Just flew on a flight where we all kept the window shades down. I felt we were turning (little g force increase) and did the “reach for dropped pen” exercise and holy hell! Sent my head spinning!
Jeden Abend schaue ich mir von meiner Terrasse aus, die vorbei fliegenden Flugzeuge an, mit ihren weißen Streifen die sie hinterlassen, und seit ich deine Videos entdeckt habe und sie mir ansehe, muss ich sagen dass ich viel gelernt habe und jetzt betrachte ich die vorbei fliegenden Flugzeuge von einem anderen Blickwinkel. Es macht Spaß dir zuzuhören, du bist einfach die Nummer eins 👍😍😍😍
Another Excellent Video, Captain Joe!!!! Many years ago, United Airlines (I believe) sponsored a ride at Disney World that was a simple cart, being drawn through a series of dark rooms. Turning a corner into a totally darkened room, the occupants were faced with a spot light, pointing at them from behind a rotating, slotted disk. The disk created rotating beams of light, like spokes in a wheel, and gave the strong sensation that the cart was on the verge of tipping over. Then, the cart turned another corner, coming into a lighted room, with everybody gripping its hand rails for fear of falling out! The cart was still happily rolling along, flat/level on its tracks, just as it had from the beginning I often wished I could make a treat of this simple, powerful experience for my friends to help explain just how strongly spatial disorientation can influence a pilot. Thank You Again for Your Great Series of Videos!!!
Fascinant. Merci Joe pour tes vidéos super intéressantes. Peux-tu continuer à l’avenir de les sous-titrer en français stp 🙏🏻. Ta diction est parfaite mais certains mots m’échappent.
12:25 Blackhole Approach I've experienced while trying to land at night on a short narrow with almost no runway lights. Almost killed the landing gear.
I’ll add this simply for statistical purposes: My total time in flight as a cockpit crew member is just over 30,000 hours. Total logged actual instrument time is right at 8,000 hours - the result of much night flying… The last time I remember suffering from the onset of spatial disorientation was about four years ago during a morning flight in a Piper Seneca soon after sunrise while climbing through broken layered cloud decks which appeared to not be level or parallel with the horizon. After only a few minutes of receiving occasional glances of what appeared to be angled stratus clouds, I began to feel symptoms of vertigo: dizziness, nausea, etc, etc. My only recourse was to scrunch down and focus only on the flight instruments and to disallow any out visual references. That action cured the problem within seconds. I think the key word here is “focus.” The second would be “omit.”
Valuable video about important stuff, thanks for sharing Joe. You are right, it is so easy to get disoriented, unfortunately lots pilots lost their lives flying into IMC conditions.
That simulator is beautiful! I like how they solved the problem is connecting pneumatics by simply attaching air cylinders to the exterior. These engineers must be very pleased with their product! :)
Once again another great video Joe, very educational! Especially when I want to be a pilot one day 🤞 I will. I’m even going on a flying lesson in a Cessna 172 and practice flying the A320 in Microsoft Flight Simulator. I suppose getting my pilots licence in Spain or Portugal would be easier then battling the rainy stormy Ireland.
Superbly done. Without having seen this post, this was also always my opinion (that the instruments do not lie). I have been doing flight simulation for 2 decades, and have shared this opinion with my father, who was a real flight instructor for sport aircraft / VFR. He always told me that there was a so-called "Vertigo effect", where you would lose complete control of the state in space in the clouds. I just said- "look at your instruments!!!
I really appreciate your content. I can tell you put a lot into it. As a non-pilot psychologist, I"m always interested in human factors, particularly where they intersect with command judgment. Training like this keeps us all humble and more aware of limitations for sure.
When flying it is amazingly easy to get disoriented, confused, perplexed with life & death consequences. It can happen with reduced visibility, night flying, even daytime for example flying to the wrong airport. Disorientation and extreme pitch/roll attitudes can occur also very quickly like 5-10 secs when glancing at nonprimay displays or approach plate or playing with knobs and buttons. It requires complete and continuous monitoring of primary displays and avoiding unnecessary head turning or bending and reaching. It also requires calmness and confidence based on training, thoughtful review and study, and practice. Not discussed is the often tricky/hazardous phase when transitioning from instruments to visual.
This was absolutely fascinating. I hope there are more of these simulators around the world. Airlines in various regions should club together to buy one (I have no illusions regarding the cost of one, plus the skilled operators and engineers) so that every pilot can be trained in SD. It's always better than the pilots not being experienced enough to understand that they're disoriented. By the way, Joe, Tom Scott did a really interesting video this week on the first simulator. A really good coincidence lol. I recommend you (and everyone) watch it, if only to appreciate even more how incredible today's tech is. We also have to bear in mind that this awesome one is a direct descendant from that first one. It's "easier" to improve an invention than it is to make one in the first place. Without the one Tom tried out, it's possible that the one you used wouldn't exist - or any others, for that matter! There's no guarantee that the right person with the right skills would have come up with the idea at a later date, after all.
Thankyou for posting! Did a research with the earlier DISO model from AMST Systemtechnik, it was the PC6, and, that same (virtual)airport in Greece too! They sold the DISO, but, the research company did get hold of the DESDEMONA, hope to go back to them, and, have a go in that one, however, some people do get very sick in that version. Anyway, training in spatial disorientation should be made complementary in any flight training, it's just so important to undergo this basic type of training, the experience. The difference in real aviation is that one can walk away from it, the real spatial disorientation often leads to the worst possible outcome.
that sensation you got when looking at the ceiling in the spin, I got doing unusual attitudes during Helicopter CFI checkride. It was a very intense sensation I got. Happy to say I recovered perfectly and just ignored everything I was feeling and trusted my instruments 100% no matter what. I know exactly how to induce this sensation in an actual airplane with ease on demand, and without putting the plane or pilots at risk. Just have to understand human biology and manipulate it.
I wish you had more content on this. It's great to watch - I am a student pilot and going to start my night flying. Will be interesting figuring out how to land.
Dear Captain Joe, I'm not a pilot, but love your videos! I just saw this video, about 7 months after you posted it, and it covered things I had always wondered about. Here is a question that I have always wondered about - Suppose you were flying a commercial jet, and lost ALL instruments and lost all communication with the ground, but still had working flight control surfaces (Maybe from an EMP?) What would you do to safely fly and land the plane? You wouldn't just "give up and crash," would you? How would you handle this? Thanks a bunch!
I've bees subscribed for almost 2-3 years since 2020 I guess. He's very impressive. Although I'm not a pilot and still a college student from different course. I still have a feeling that one day, this informations will help me a lot. Besides I'm an enthusiast. Hoping one day I can use it. Fly safe our captain.
That was such a great video to watch, thank you. Question however, I do believe in trust your instruments, but what about in situations when you have conflicting data due to pitot tube blockages and static ports are covered. All crashes I've seen caused by this have been computer based systems that rely on the tubes and ports. I feel that the old gauges wouldn't give such conflicting data. Aeroperú Flight 603 comes to mind. I would love to get your thoughts on this as this has always been in the back of mind. Thank you in advance ☺
The old gauges and new instruments use the same pitot tubes and static ports, so that wouldn't change much in the scenario you mention. Electric instruments are better because they have lower delays and higher reliability too due to less moving parts.
@@lstt89 I understand they use the same tubes and ports, but computer based systems have shown wild changes in readings shown when the tubes and ports are covered. Air crash investigation on aeroperú 603 shows this. I would think that the old gauges wouldn't be able to do this, they would stay at or very close to ground level conditions. I'll admit I haven't got my PPL so don't have any hands on experience, it's just something that always sat in the back of my mind
As always Joe, an exceptional, professional and excellent presentation. What a brilliant new sim, I hope they spread like wildfire around the world and become a standard for pilot training. Wouldn’t that be brilliant, thanks for sharing this wonderful machine. Not sure if there are any down here in Australia yet but we can only hope and pray there are a lot soon and affordable so. Take care Joe, still wish you’d been my flight instructor but you were only a pup back then and I’m as old as my hound dog but I still learn from you every day mate, thank you 😎👍
Captain Joe, if you remember the comment I asked about airlines. Well, I got applied for United Airlines flying the 737 or crjs starting November I will have my first flight
that's like waiting at a red light next to a semi truck and it starts to move forward, your car isnt moving but you sometimes feel like youre going backwards and feel like you might hit the car behind you
Beautiful just beautiful experience video Joe! You are going places with your flight channel, and thanks for this wonderful effort. That feeling of being in a simulator or an actual plane is unparalleled. I am just an intermediate guy using microsoft flight simulator, but I could relate to most of the illusions especially runway widths! Always trust your instruments.
to teach spatial disorientation and upset recovery, I have a routine i have students fly such that they get themselves into both spatial disorientation and an unusual attitude, that I then have them recover from. The point is to teach them that they cannot feel the disorientation, and it works very well. I much prefer this method to an instructor putting them into an unusual attitude, as it sinks home the fact you really can't overcome it by seat of the pants flying.
This was such a great video. Absolutely loved the concept. It is a great experience for you and for many learning Pilots to know their limits and always trust their instruments.
Awesome video. Such important information. 40 years plus flying and God Bless those instruments tell me I am feeling something different from what is actually happening.
Hey I recently did the SD test captain. And I did the same mistake of yours of leaning back. It's a great video and a good insight for lot's of young cadets like us. 🙏
5:15 I was flying as a passenger last week and I also had like the feeling that the plane was turning to the right but when i looked outside we were still going straight forward. Is this the same effect?
Thank You for this. It’s very informative, becoming a student pilot I always wanted to know what spatial disorientation felt like in the air, I’m going to get my BS in aeronautics, we have to do simulators, I’m not looking forward to this…
SD is so amazing that even not being a real pilot, flying into clouds in my home simulator feels like everything is swirling outside the airplane. The movement of the could shades is enough to get you lost. Since I don't have a baseball bat let alone a golf club, I'll keep using my sim for that purpose.
Great video! Top quality! Getting SD because of a spin is easy to visually explain and understand. But most times pilots (specially less experienced ones) will get SD by just getting into clouds, losing visual reference of the horizon. About 3 minutes into that situation SD shows up and if not handled, loss of control may occur.
People are smart, so they create helpful tools. People are stupid when they think they’re supreme in a way. Great video! Hope you will get there again soon to create more of the parts we now missed 😉
I’ve been reading a book from 1927 and it says that you only need 6 hours of flight training the training was siting in the cockpit of a 2 seater plane when the pilot was flying it
Learnt to trust my instruments first because I started flying on an iPad flight simulator… which doesn't give any inertial response at all. Still, I would get dizzy when I forget to look at the heading.
Crazy! I want to try it, even if I'm not a pilot, just to see the scary part of that and try to understand it. It's too easy to blame a pilot that becomes spatially disoriented (especially when an accident occurs), but the feeling shouldn't be as simple as that.
It must be the most shaking sensation to experience this disconnect between your own perception and the actual attitude of the aircraft. Like guts trust issues. When I played in the sim on my PC I always found getting into situations where there’s no way of having visual orientation quite thrilling. Also thanks for this video. The sbeeen was good.
Many years ago I was taking my Commercial Flight test with a CAA flight examiner, he was an old and experienced examiner having done it for many years. I was required to affix the internal vision baffles into place which is a fiddly procedure, in the time I fitted them all into place he flew the plane in circles at a constant and exact rate one turn. I was told to take control and roll out onto a certain heading , which I did and when straight and level I instantly got the leans so had to refer entirely to the instruments, I knew what he had done to me as those constant turns had reset my ears to the new level. I looked at hime and said , ‘you git ‘you have given me the leans, and I then shook my head several time to mess up the old, new level I had acquired. He just laughed and said he had done that on purpose to do it to me. I did pass the flight test and got my shiny new commercial licence although not for long though as I failed the next medical, which led to being grounded permanently for 30 years until the rules changed.
I wonder how feasible it would be for large airports to have a weigh station that aircraft could roll over on their way to take-off. With a different load cell under each gear set the pilots could get an instant readout of the total weight and location of the center-of-gravity. It could take the guesswork out of the task and prevent some accidents.
Equally dangerous is the aftermath of spatial desorientation. You need time to regain your bearings and understand where you are (attitude, altitude, heading) and what you need to do to get back on track. I personally believe I would be stunned. I hear stories of people needing to be guided in all the way down to the landing.
Really cool captain joe videos the explanations are very detailed and there is always knowledge to be gained in every captain joe video. Thanks Captain Joe. ✈️🔥
Captain, I would appreciate a video or two about navigation, I am not a very bright guy and I cannot understand it how would I fly from San Francisco to Charles de Gaulle I get there. To me, when we takeoff from San Francisco, Charles de Gaulle is in one place, but because the earth rotates it moves towards us, so I would think that the navigator has to figure out where Charles de Gaulle will be at the end of our flight.
I once knew a former US Air Force flight instructor who would demonstrate this by having someone sit cross-legged in a chair that spins (like an office chair), hold their head tilted to the right, ear pointed toward the floor, and close their eyes. He'd then spin them in the chair for about 20 seconds, then have them open their eyes and bring their head level, face forward. It's the most uncomfortable feeling I've ever had; it feels like the entire world is looping around you. Fun party game-as long as no one is drinking alcohol.
Captain Joe, my grandfather flew for 50 years. I found out later, he never had a license. He didn’t know to check for water in the fuel until I showed him when I was a student pilot. His instrument was a bolt hanging from a string. I tried to explain to him that their is no way that can be effective. He swore it was. It was a different era. I wonder how many other old farmers like him were the same.
That hanging bolt idea actually makes sense to me. It would show which direction is gravity - ie. the ground.
That's awesome
It will not work. You could be flying in a steep turn and the bolt would still be pointing toward the floor of the plane.
@@igclapp exactly. He never flew in bad weather or IFR, but he was more lucky than good.
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These videos are starting to seem like an impressively high budget operation. Joe is not only a world class pilot, but he’s quickly becoming a world class cinematographer as well. 👍🏼
Thanks man! Means a lot!
Was just about to say the same. Joe has gone from using his whiteboard as the background with decent lighting and audio to this. What an improvement
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@@flywithcaptainjoe still waiting for a video about how you were wrong about the UPS tail stand in ICN. When will that come out?
@@flywithcaptainjoe What do the lights on the airplane next to the bathrooms and in the middle of the plane mean? The only colors I’ve seen are red, blue, and orange.
Not only as a pilots but also, when I was a passenger in a plane, I thought we were leveled and making a slight left turn, but my GPS was showing as making a right turn and the pilot was saying that were climbing out.
Not a pilot but I had this while scuba diving. I was surfacing and 20 feet underwater and suddenly it felt like I was moving sideways going 10 mph..yet I was in a calm lake. My eyes didn't show this but I felt it 100 percent as certain as you're feeling gravity. It was spooky and eye opening.
Wow, didn’t expect that during scuba diving
Kinda similar, but in reverse: Snowboarding in whiteout conditions. I stopped and bent down to tighten my straps. Looked up to discover I was going sideways at an appreciable speed.
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@@flywithcaptainjoe without instruments, in blackwater conditions always but also with good visibility you can be completely confused as to which way up is.
At least for up and down you can look at which way air bubbles are going, but if you don't have visual landmarks you can be in an extremely strong current and not notice. This can happen when surfacing from a deep dive where you can't see the ship while ascending.
@@HesderOleh That's why (if you're interested in penetrating a hulk in even moderately deep water, you bring along an extra reel or two, and tie off to the anchor chain or rope to your dive-boat/charter. Cave Divers have unique "Cookies" but if I recall correctly, Shipwreck explorers use a pinging or thumping flasher clipped onto their individual guide lines. EVERYBODY should use "arrows" that clip into the guideline and point the way back out, just in case you do drop the line, you can refind it, but you can also get turned around easily in a wreck. Everything is sideways or upside down and every which a way... The point is never lose sight of your guideline, and if conditions get dark or silty, KEEP your hands on it, whether you're working a reel, or someone else works the reel and you're the "dive buddy" following, slipping the line through fingers 100% might be tedious, but it beats the hell out of getting lost and stuck in a silted-out space with no idea what the f*** went wrong. ;o)
My father was a twin engine qualified pilot and navigator in the RCAF during WWII. He didn't plan on it, but he graduated high enough that he was kept back to become a trainer and then the war ended. He told me enough flight school horror stories that I avoid flying as much as possible. BTW, I served 2 years on a Nimitiz class carrier and that affirmed my belief that my A** belongs on the ground-John in Texas
As a non-pilot, ground dweller I didn’t understand how pilots could get disoriented in the air until I started watching aviation UA-camrs. This is the best explanation I have seen so far. You really did a great job of demonstrating the effect for us “passengers”. 👍🏼
Question: when I’m riding in a 737 and it feels like the plane is climbing or descending, is that what’s actually happening or is my brain tricking me?
Not a pilot: in some situations probably (turbulence during otherwise straight and level flight).
I feel this most commonly with a change in flaps setting, where it is AFAIK not the case.
We humans have no way to feel speed, our vestibular system (inner ear) can only feel acceleration.
So after a while a continuous and constant speed climb feels like straight and level, if the flaps come up, the vertical velocity decreases without a change in aircraft attitude.
Our inner ear can only tell that there is a negative vertical acceleration, even though the net vertical velocity is still very much positive.
Similar during the approach, when the flaps come out the vertical velocity decreases (felt positive acceleration).
Thank you for posting this video! Great explanation and a lot of dedication for it! Appreciate the hard work you put in every video!🤙🏻🙏
This was great, that look up at the cabin roof was great moment, excellent training, this would be excellent to experience as I work through Commercial License.
What exactly did that do when he looked up? Make everything look like it was spinning?
@@KiyokaMakibi most likely a sence of tumbling, very disoriented feeling. Once he acknowledged that he no longer felt the spinning, that was key to the instructor that the fluid in his inner ear had stabilized, a quick head movement would then cause the fluid to move. Had an instructor do similar with me. I closed my eyes, head down, he flew airplane and did different maneuvers then had me tilt head back, and side to side, then said recover, I was physically disoriented and felt like I was free falling and tumbling yet the airplane was back in level flight, no “recovery” necessary. If I had listened to my body instead of trusting instruments, I’d had pulled up and stalled. The fight to trust and interpret what my eyes saw was a struggle. After 20-30 seconds my brain stabilized its feeling and my senses returns to normal.
I went to a place in Lake Wanaka, New Zealand called “Puzzle world”.
Basically it was a museum where you could experience optical illusions In an interesting or fun way.
The attraction that period my mind was a room that was tilted on a slope, 30 or 40° ,Yet all the furniture and elements in it were Built as though they were on a level horizon. This meant that inside the room you could watch water running ‘Uphill’ And into a fountain. You could play snooker where the balls rolled Upill and stayed there, And you could Watch yourself in a mirror lean over With The soles of your feet flush with the floor
Everyone in the room was enjoying themselves and seemed in awe As they looked around but the whole time my head felt obscenely uncomfortable and swelling and heavy and like nothing I’ve ever experienced before. I had to get out almost straight away. I walked down the slope to the exit Which was an open doorway at the end of the room (You entered at the top of the slope via stairs). As I went to leave I saw that I would have to Step through that door frame and walk up a slope to get to the next area. I leaned my body weight into the slope and stepped out on the balls of my feet…
It was, of course, Flat floor and I went for a nice face plant. On the plus side it didn’t take long for my head to pipe down again.
Wow, I didn't expect a simulator specially built to demonstrate SD. incredible.
I get students to experience this in the cockpit of any ordinary plane with ease (and without needing to put them in a spin). I have them fly into spatial disorientation themselves before having them then recover the moment they fly it into an unusual attitude. Works like a charm and really sinks home the fact they can't trust their feelings.
@@SoloRenegade Yes, very easy. Just have them close their eyes and keep flying for a few minutes … or less.
@@LTVoyager I have them close their eyes, then I have them fly a combination of 3 left/right standard rate turns (of 90 or 180deg each, of what they think/feel is a standard rate turn).
Or, even easier, have them fly 1 left or right 180 standard rate turn followed by a 90deg standard rate turn in the opposite direction. Takes 30sec to 1min for the fluid to neutralize in the ear. after that, there is nothing they can do and they will fly into an unusual attitude, at which point I have them open their eyes and recover.
I have another method as well, but a sharp student will catch on if not done right, and it doesn't teach teh right lesson (it does teach a different lesson though). best to just let them fly into it as described above.
I did avoid flying into unusual attitudes when a DPE did the above to me during my Helicopter CFI checkride. but I used a sneaky trick to avoid losing control that is hard to do and describe (but not cheating at all). After many requested changes in direction and altitude he finally took over and flew me into an unusual attitude. He never asked and I never told him how I was doing it (and no, I was not peaking).
@@SoloRenegade Most days you don’t even have to maneuver, especially if there is a little turbulence. Just trying to fly straight and level will end up in an unusual attitude quickly enough.
@@LTVoyager yes, but I can't rely upon having turbulent weather on the day we do unusual attitudes. and it also doesn't sink the lesson home as effectively either.
As I was instructed to do from the beginning and even now " Trust your instruments ". Great video , thank you
Captain Joe, this was fantastic!! I understand what spatial disorientation is, and it is amazing that you now have an actual simulator to train for these situations. This was very interesting and educational! Thoroughly enjoyed your presentation of this danger to not just pilots (although it IS the focus of your channel), but can be applied to many different things. Thanks for this awesome presentation!! Looking forward to the next one!! Stay safe out/up there!! Cheers!! 💕✈✈💕
It's when your inner ear overcomes your gut feeling that the trouble really begins. Excellent job!
Jesus, you were just a few cilometers away from me, and i didn't know! Well, i have been to the AMST, and taht is just great! Grüße aus Österreich!
Best sponsored video ever! Not a pilot, although have been surprised and disoriented going to the flight deck (in old days!) and seeing the horizon all pitched over when I thought we were flying straight and level. There is a ground situation like this, called whiteout (also less severe thing called flat light) that you can get on snow. The ground totally blends into the the sky and it's very frightening. You lose all spatial orientation, and can even get sick. I had it when I was downhill snow skiing, foggy and snowing pretty well, low visibility. Luckily I was just off the lift, so not going fast yet. I was pretty much trapped at the top of the mountain, in a white envelope of weirdness, until conditions improved. I needed tinted goggles to give more contrast b/t ground and sky, but that day, I doubt anything would have worked. I've also had it while driving in a snowstorm, esp if no other cars or references.
I was twenty taking flight lessons had about 15 hours. I left the airport solo to practice some basic flight time. When I took off the weather was clear and VFR. Then quickly the smog from Detroit factories rolled in quickly. I couldn’t see the ground or much of anything. The Cessna 150 had basic instruments only. Then I remembered my flight instructor words he always said. Trust the planes instruments. Radioed for help. Tower gave me directions until they found me on radar. Then followed a twin engine plane back to the airport. The weather turn IFR and the pilot I was following guided me back. Follow your instruments.
Great video
Wow! Lucky you!
Hey Captain Joe, can you please make a video explaining the origin and, more importantly, how the three essential flight instruments and their physical mechanisms work when the aircraft experiences the same forces as the pilot flying.
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신비한 비행은 보아도
신비하네요 나 ⚘️⚘️⚘️
Just want to say how well done this video is!! Really feels like I'm watching a Netflix / Nat Geo series. Keep it up Joe!
Great video as always Joe! Some of your obs on landing went a bit over my head, but my takeaway was to realise that despite the huge technological capabilities of modern aircraft, there still has to be attention paid to the physiological quirks and natural responses of the human body. However, awareness of the various types of SD, and the applications of training in what to expect - and how to respond, can only be a good thing, and of great benefit to all pilots. Thank you for another super video!
Outstanding video as always Joe!
Just flew on a flight where we all kept the window shades down. I felt we were turning (little g force increase) and did the “reach for dropped pen” exercise and holy hell!
Sent my head spinning!
Im so glad he covered this cuz this is one of the few things that terrifiy me when it comes to flying a plane
Jeden Abend schaue ich mir von meiner Terrasse aus, die vorbei fliegenden Flugzeuge an, mit ihren weißen Streifen die sie hinterlassen, und seit ich deine Videos entdeckt habe und sie mir ansehe, muss ich sagen dass ich viel gelernt habe und jetzt betrachte ich die vorbei fliegenden Flugzeuge von einem anderen Blickwinkel. Es macht Spaß dir zuzuhören, du bist einfach die Nummer eins 👍😍😍😍
Your Videos and book are truly a blessing to the society-especially the aviation community. God bless you!
Ich liebe alle Videos von Captain Joe. Sympatisch, kompetent und grandios präsentiert! Weiter so
Another Excellent Video, Captain Joe!!!!
Many years ago, United Airlines (I believe) sponsored a ride at Disney World that was a simple cart, being drawn through a series of dark rooms. Turning a corner into a totally darkened room, the occupants were faced with a spot light, pointing at them from behind a rotating, slotted disk.
The disk created rotating beams of light, like spokes in a wheel, and gave the strong sensation that the cart was on the verge of tipping over.
Then, the cart turned another corner, coming into a lighted room, with everybody gripping its hand rails for fear of falling out! The cart was still happily rolling along, flat/level on its tracks, just as it had from the beginning
I often wished I could make a treat of this simple, powerful experience for my friends to help explain just how strongly spatial disorientation can influence a pilot.
Thank You Again for Your Great Series of Videos!!!
Fascinant. Merci Joe pour tes vidéos super intéressantes. Peux-tu continuer à l’avenir de les sous-titrer en français stp 🙏🏻. Ta diction est parfaite mais certains mots m’échappent.
I need to check out that ride😉
Thanks Joe for this very good explanation of how important it is not to underestimate spatial disorientation. 👍
12:25 Blackhole Approach I've experienced while trying to land at night on a short narrow with almost no runway lights. Almost killed the landing gear.
Thanks, Joe, I have passed my interview assessment also with the aid of your holding videos! All the best! Mirko
I’ll add this simply for statistical purposes: My total time in flight as a cockpit crew member is just over 30,000 hours. Total logged actual instrument time is right at 8,000 hours - the result of much night flying… The last time I remember suffering from the onset of spatial disorientation was about four years ago during a morning flight in a Piper Seneca soon after sunrise while climbing through broken layered cloud decks which appeared to not be level or parallel with the horizon. After only a few minutes of receiving occasional glances of what appeared to be angled stratus clouds, I began to feel symptoms of vertigo: dizziness, nausea, etc, etc. My only recourse was to scrunch down and focus only on the flight instruments and to disallow any out visual references. That action cured the problem within seconds. I think the key word here is “focus.” The second would be “omit.”
Its amazing what technology can do. Amazing video, Captain Joe!
Valuable video about important stuff, thanks for sharing Joe. You are right, it is so easy to get disoriented, unfortunately lots pilots lost their lives flying into IMC conditions.
That simulator is beautiful! I like how they solved the problem is connecting pneumatics by simply attaching air cylinders to the exterior. These engineers must be very pleased with their product! :)
Once again another great video Joe, very educational! Especially when I want to be a pilot one day 🤞 I will. I’m even going on a flying lesson in a Cessna 172 and practice flying the A320 in Microsoft Flight Simulator. I suppose getting my pilots licence in Spain or Portugal would be easier then battling the rainy stormy Ireland.
Although I’m not a pilot, I can say one thing - you are a great teacher, Joe!
Greetings from 🇵🇱!
Great choice of videos. Very, very cool to see you going through the Sim training and to see what's available to supplement in aircraft IFR training.
Superbly done. Without having seen this post, this was also always my opinion (that the instruments do not lie). I have been doing flight simulation for 2 decades, and have shared this opinion with my father, who was a real flight instructor for sport aircraft / VFR. He always told me that there was a so-called "Vertigo effect", where you would lose complete control of the state in space in the clouds. I just said- "look at your instruments!!!
I really appreciate your content. I can tell you put a lot into it. As a non-pilot psychologist, I"m always interested in human factors, particularly where they intersect with command judgment. Training like this keeps us all humble and more aware of limitations for sure.
Wo ist Captain Joe ich chatte seit Dez 2ü21 mit ihm es ist doch wohl ein Fake die Bilder von Joe sind echt was soll ich nur tun
I just wanted to thank you for helping me as a very nervous passenger to have a mostly bearable flight
When flying it is amazingly easy to get disoriented, confused, perplexed with life & death consequences. It can happen with reduced visibility, night flying, even daytime for example flying to the wrong airport. Disorientation and extreme pitch/roll attitudes can occur also very quickly like 5-10 secs when glancing at nonprimay displays or approach plate or playing with knobs and buttons. It requires complete and continuous monitoring of primary displays and avoiding unnecessary head turning or bending and reaching. It also requires calmness and confidence based on training, thoughtful review and study, and practice. Not discussed is the often tricky/hazardous phase when transitioning from instruments to visual.
It's great what all the pilots go through to continue learning to be great winners and great pilots over any obstacle. ❤
This was absolutely fascinating. I hope there are more of these simulators around the world. Airlines in various regions should club together to buy one (I have no illusions regarding the cost of one, plus the skilled operators and engineers) so that every pilot can be trained in SD. It's always better than the pilots not being experienced enough to understand that they're disoriented.
By the way, Joe, Tom Scott did a really interesting video this week on the first simulator. A really good coincidence lol. I recommend you (and everyone) watch it, if only to appreciate even more how incredible today's tech is. We also have to bear in mind that this awesome one is a direct descendant from that first one. It's "easier" to improve an invention than it is to make one in the first place. Without the one Tom tried out, it's possible that the one you used wouldn't exist - or any others, for that matter! There's no guarantee that the right person with the right skills would have come up with the idea at a later date, after all.
Tom and I are coming together for a video soon!
@@flywithcaptainjoe ohhh nice collaboration 😱, looking forward to it. 😁😎👍🏼
@@flywithcaptainjoe \o/
Indeed! I couldn't have put it better myself!
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I NEED a new captain Joe remove before flight key chain. Mines browned with wear 😅 gotta support the ch and buy a new one 🥂
Thankyou for posting! Did a research with the earlier DISO model from AMST Systemtechnik, it was the PC6, and, that same (virtual)airport in Greece too! They sold the DISO, but, the research company did get hold of the DESDEMONA, hope to go back to them, and, have a go in that one, however, some people do get very sick in that version. Anyway, training in spatial disorientation should be made complementary in any flight training, it's just so important to undergo this basic type of training, the experience. The difference in real aviation is that one can walk away from it, the real spatial disorientation often leads to the worst possible outcome.
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that sensation you got when looking at the ceiling in the spin, I got doing unusual attitudes during Helicopter CFI checkride. It was a very intense sensation I got. Happy to say I recovered perfectly and just ignored everything I was feeling and trusted my instruments 100% no matter what.
I know exactly how to induce this sensation in an actual airplane with ease on demand, and without putting the plane or pilots at risk. Just have to understand human biology and manipulate it.
That’s interesting. How do you induce it?
Of course, the most important question is "how much does the simulator cost?"
"if you have to ask, you can't afford it"
I wish you had more content on this. It's great to watch - I am a student pilot and going to start my night flying. Will be interesting figuring out how to land.
Dear Captain Joe, I'm not a pilot, but love your videos! I just saw this video, about 7 months after you posted it, and it covered things I had always wondered about. Here is a question that I have always wondered about - Suppose you were flying a commercial jet, and lost ALL instruments and lost all communication with the ground, but still had working flight control surfaces (Maybe from an EMP?) What would you do to safely fly and land the plane? You wouldn't just "give up and crash," would you? How would you handle this? Thanks a bunch!
I've bees subscribed for almost 2-3 years since 2020 I guess. He's very impressive. Although I'm not a pilot and still a college student from different course. I still have a feeling that one day, this informations will help me a lot. Besides I'm an enthusiast. Hoping one day I can use it. Fly safe our captain.
Great training device.
...Also known as the vomit sim.
Wonderful video, as always.
That was such a great video to watch, thank you. Question however, I do believe in trust your instruments, but what about in situations when you have conflicting data due to pitot tube blockages and static ports are covered. All crashes I've seen caused by this have been computer based systems that rely on the tubes and ports. I feel that the old gauges wouldn't give such conflicting data. Aeroperú Flight 603 comes to mind. I would love to get your thoughts on this as this has always been in the back of mind. Thank you in advance ☺
When your brain and the instruments fails, you should pray and ask God guidance because He is the only who can help you.
The old gauges and new instruments use the same pitot tubes and static ports, so that wouldn't change much in the scenario you mention. Electric instruments are better because they have lower delays and higher reliability too due to less moving parts.
@@lstt89 I understand they use the same tubes and ports, but computer based systems have shown wild changes in readings shown when the tubes and ports are covered. Air crash investigation on aeroperú 603 shows this. I would think that the old gauges wouldn't be able to do this, they would stay at or very close to ground level conditions. I'll admit I haven't got my PPL so don't have any hands on experience, it's just something that always sat in the back of my mind
Instrument rated pilots are trained to recognise instrument failure and to fly using the remaining instrument(s).
Keep up the great work! These videos are so well done!
As always Joe, an exceptional, professional and excellent presentation. What a brilliant new sim, I hope they spread like wildfire around the world and become a standard for pilot training. Wouldn’t that be brilliant, thanks for sharing this wonderful machine. Not sure if there are any down here in Australia yet but we can only hope and pray there are a lot soon and affordable so. Take care Joe, still wish you’d been my flight instructor but you were only a pup back then and I’m as old as my hound dog but I still learn from you every day mate, thank you 😎👍
Captain Joe, if you remember the comment I asked about airlines. Well, I got applied for United Airlines flying the 737 or crjs starting November I will have my first flight
If you see a United crj or 737 give a little wave because I might be on there
@@michaelpham5355 congrats getting that job
@@mccormick9910 thank you 🙏
These learning techniques are very important. Today technology is very neglected. My congratulations to Captain Joe. ❤😊
Great job Joe...I just came back from Zakynthos and I think this airport is a great challenge for every pilot
You’ll ever be my life’s guru. Thank you!
that's like waiting at a red light next to a semi truck and it starts to move forward, your car isnt moving but you sometimes feel like youre going backwards and feel like you might hit the car behind you
Beautiful just beautiful experience video Joe! You are going places with your flight channel, and thanks for this wonderful effort. That feeling of being in a simulator or an actual plane is unparalleled. I am just an intermediate guy using microsoft flight simulator, but I could relate to most of the illusions especially runway widths! Always trust your instruments.
to teach spatial disorientation and upset recovery, I have a routine i have students fly such that they get themselves into both spatial disorientation and an unusual attitude, that I then have them recover from. The point is to teach them that they cannot feel the disorientation, and it works very well. I much prefer this method to an instructor putting them into an unusual attitude, as it sinks home the fact you really can't overcome it by seat of the pants flying.
This was such a great video. Absolutely loved the concept. It is a great experience for you and for many learning Pilots to know their limits and always trust their instruments.
What a terrific video. This was enlightening. Thx
Excellent! Such an impressive report! I am in envy feeling 😊
Awesome video. Such important information. 40 years plus flying and God Bless those instruments tell me I am feeling something different from what is actually happening.
Hell yeah, just the tutorial I needed! Now I know how to get disoriented really well.
Joe, I thought I was on the training myself. You are a very talented instructor.
Hey I recently did the SD test captain. And I did the same mistake of yours of leaning back. It's a great video and a good insight for lot's of young cadets like us. 🙏
5:15 I was flying as a passenger last week and I also had like the feeling that the plane was turning to the right but when i looked outside we were still going straight forward.
Is this the same effect?
Thank you for your video.this really help me as I am a studying for commercial license training
What an incredible machine. Great video, thanks!
Thank You for this. It’s very informative, becoming a student pilot I always wanted to know what spatial disorientation felt like in the air, I’m going to get my BS in aeronautics, we have to do simulators, I’m not looking forward to this…
SD is so amazing that even not being a real pilot, flying into clouds in my home simulator feels like everything is swirling outside the airplane. The movement of the could shades is enough to get you lost.
Since I don't have a baseball bat let alone a golf club, I'll keep using my sim for that purpose.
Wow Joe what an amazing video, thank you very much and well done...👍🙂👍
Great video. This should be part of the instrument flight rating. Danke euch!
Great video! Top quality! Getting SD because of a spin is easy to visually explain and understand. But most times pilots (specially less experienced ones) will get SD by just getting into clouds, losing visual reference of the horizon. About 3 minutes into that situation SD shows up and if not handled, loss of control may occur.
People are smart, so they create helpful tools.
People are stupid when they think they’re supreme in a way.
Great video! Hope you will get there again soon to create more of the parts we now missed 😉
Very good instructional video. Keep up the good work.
I’ve been reading a book from 1927 and it says that you only need 6 hours of flight training the training was siting in the cockpit of a 2 seater plane when the pilot was flying it
Love Captain Joe he’s truly an amazing pilot 👏🏻 thankyou for all your very informative videos 👍🏻❤️
A Helpful & Thrilling Video
Thanks Allot Joe
Very True Though Spatial Disorientation does still lead to some Air Disasters🛩🛩🛩🛩🛩.
Learnt to trust my instruments first because I started flying on an iPad flight simulator… which doesn't give any inertial response at all. Still, I would get dizzy when I forget to look at the heading.
Thank you captain joe, I learnt so much from this , I will use the example ,
Crazy! I want to try it, even if I'm not a pilot, just to see the scary part of that and try to understand it. It's too easy to blame a pilot that becomes spatially disoriented (especially when an accident occurs), but the feeling shouldn't be as simple as that.
What an amazing video, congrats and Thanks !
Great safety material. Thanks a lot.
It must be the most shaking sensation to experience this disconnect between your own perception and the actual attitude of the aircraft. Like guts trust issues. When I played in the sim on my PC I always found getting into situations where there’s no way of having visual orientation quite thrilling. Also thanks for this video. The sbeeen was good.
Many years ago I was taking my Commercial Flight test with a CAA flight examiner, he was an old and experienced examiner having done it for many years. I was required to affix the internal vision baffles into place which is a fiddly procedure, in the time I fitted them all into place he flew the plane in circles at a constant and exact rate one turn. I was told to take control and roll out onto a certain heading , which I did and when straight and level I instantly got the leans so had to refer entirely to the instruments, I knew what he had done to me as those constant turns had reset my ears to the new level. I looked at hime and said , ‘you git ‘you have given me the leans, and I then shook my head several time to mess up the old, new level I had acquired. He just laughed and said he had done that on purpose to do it to me.
I did pass the flight test and got my shiny new commercial licence although not for long though as I failed the next medical, which led to being grounded permanently for 30 years until the rules changed.
I wonder how feasible it would be for large airports to have a weigh station that aircraft could roll over on their way to take-off. With a different load cell under each gear set the pilots could get an instant readout of the total weight and location of the center-of-gravity. It could take the guesswork out of the task and prevent some accidents.
Fantastic video. Thank you for not puking.
Equally dangerous is the aftermath of spatial desorientation. You need time to regain your bearings and understand where you are (attitude, altitude, heading) and what you need to do to get back on track. I personally believe I would be stunned. I hear stories of people needing to be guided in all the way down to the landing.
Fantastic video Captain Joe, this gives me something to think about in my flight training.
That was the point of this video😉
@@flywithcaptainjoe Yes, and your presentation was very effective.
Really cool captain joe videos the explanations are very detailed and there is always knowledge to be gained in every captain joe video. Thanks Captain Joe. ✈️🔥
Artifical horizon (attitude indicator) doesn't indicate a turn, it indicates bank angle ... as well as of course pitch.
Great job Joe! Fellow FedEx 777 Pilot and hope to run into you sometime out there on the road!
Captain,
I would appreciate a video or two about navigation, I am not a very bright guy and I cannot understand it how would I fly from San Francisco to Charles de Gaulle I get there.
To me, when we takeoff from San Francisco, Charles de Gaulle is in one place, but because the earth rotates it moves towards us, so I would think that the navigator has to figure out where Charles de Gaulle will be at the end of our flight.
Absolutely amazing! Excellent tips for all Category of pilots great video Captain Joe you should start a flight school in future years 👏👌🇺🇸
Great to see the IWC!
I once knew a former US Air Force flight instructor who would demonstrate this by having someone sit cross-legged in a chair that spins (like an office chair), hold their head tilted to the right, ear pointed toward the floor, and close their eyes. He'd then spin them in the chair for about 20 seconds, then have them open their eyes and bring their head level, face forward. It's the most uncomfortable feeling I've ever had; it feels like the entire world is looping around you.
Fun party game-as long as no one is drinking alcohol.
Ps hey Joe, thanks, I love your book. Insightful, concise and easy to follow, great job mate, thank you 😎👍