I do think there has been a bit of a “conspiracy of circumstances” with these techniques as well. I’m not suggesting they are put down by some conscious force out there or something like that, but there are a lot of things that have compounded on them negatively. They’ve essentially been banned in every sport for creeping up on a century and a half barring some niche formats, for example. Additionally, there is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy that floats around where these techniques are bad, so we won’t train them… but if we don’t train them, that keeps them bad… so we won’t train them… and so on. I’m not in the camp that believes these things are ever going to compete with the consistency of, say, a single leg takedown or Uchi Mata. But what I would say is that there have been hundreds of thousands of more hands working on those more mainstream techniques across 120-ish years. Meanwhile, this subset of techniques have gotten comparatively little attention. So while I don’t think wrist locking is ever going to replace more “mainstream” grappling techniques, I certainly think there is a lot of untapped potential here that has been arbitrarily left on the table. Saying all that, though, I have zero interest in their application as disarms and would generally just recommend not trying to fight someone with a knife lol. I’d almost rather deal with a firearm, quite frankly… at least the killing end only moves in one direction on those.
These techniques fall in the category of yes they work, but youre going to get damaged when you perform. And I agree, low percentage use, but nice to know.
Wrist locks are effective only in the right distance. In most cases people are to close when executing them. Wrist locks rarely occur in MMA due to the distance issue, but also due to the gloves. In knife defense there is the same problem, distance, most people get to close (strangely). Question is, what is not dangereous when defending against a knife? I think the chances are still better than with an armlock or throw, but man it is simply risky to fight against a knife, I just hope I never really have to...
"Wristlock" disarms work. Have used. But. With baseball bat, not knife. Blades dangerous. Recommend long stick. Like baseball bat. Funny. But all true.
Yep, my stance is that most techniques "made" for disarming really do work at disarming...it's just that the whole act of actually doing it against a sharp weapon just isn't worth it
HI Martial Geeks. I'm Karate. I see you've advanced beyond the "Black & White" opinions about traditional martial arts. So that's a starts. You make valid points; which furthermore, have practical value. Yet the accurate approach to traditional martial is rarely taken, which is not observing a YOutube video, and coming up with an, "AH Hah moment." Step one is to truly understand the art. And the 1st hurdle with traditional arts is that they are very hard to truly understand. This is why the old masters spent concentrated hours daily for decades. Serious study. LIke college & grad school. Instead, YT martial arts puts up some superficial "test" pointing out some factor or observable attribute which fails to consider the complex myriad traditions martial science embodied in traditional arts. Good luck with ALL that. 🫤🥴🥴CHEERS.
Ayy thank you! I've always been inspired by many many traditional martial arts, even ones I have never trained, I love it so much! I agree that even though it's getting better, on youtube a lot of opinions are still black and white, but unfortunately on both sides of the "argument"
I do think there has been a bit of a “conspiracy of circumstances” with these techniques as well. I’m not suggesting they are put down by some conscious force out there or something like that, but there are a lot of things that have compounded on them negatively.
They’ve essentially been banned in every sport for creeping up on a century and a half barring some niche formats, for example. Additionally, there is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy that floats around where these techniques are bad, so we won’t train them… but if we don’t train them, that keeps them bad… so we won’t train them… and so on.
I’m not in the camp that believes these things are ever going to compete with the consistency of, say, a single leg takedown or Uchi Mata. But what I would say is that there have been hundreds of thousands of more hands working on those more mainstream techniques across 120-ish years. Meanwhile, this subset of techniques have gotten comparatively little attention.
So while I don’t think wrist locking is ever going to replace more “mainstream” grappling techniques, I certainly think there is a lot of untapped potential here that has been arbitrarily left on the table.
Saying all that, though, I have zero interest in their application as disarms and would generally just recommend not trying to fight someone with a knife lol. I’d almost rather deal with a firearm, quite frankly… at least the killing end only moves in one direction on those.
Well put as always, I enjoy practicing all kinds of wristlocks with or with out a tanto but certainly not because of some knife fight fantasy...
Good insight my dude!
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These techniques fall in the category of yes they work, but youre going to get damaged when you perform. And I agree, low percentage use, but nice to know.
The best of all the terrible ways to learn knife defense is to engage in a tanto sport for a year or two
@@NYTomiki agreed aswell! People sleep on Tomiki in many ways
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Wrist locks are effective only in the right distance. In most cases people are to close when executing them. Wrist locks rarely occur in MMA due to the distance issue, but also due to the gloves. In knife defense there is the same problem, distance, most people get to close (strangely). Question is, what is not dangereous when defending against a knife? I think the chances are still better than with an armlock or throw, but man it is simply risky to fight against a knife, I just hope I never really have to...
"Wristlock" disarms work. Have used. But. With baseball bat, not knife.
Blades dangerous.
Recommend long stick.
Like baseball bat.
Funny. But all true.
Yep, my stance is that most techniques "made" for disarming really do work at disarming...it's just that the whole act of actually doing it against a sharp weapon just isn't worth it
I wouldn't say there bs
@@jashardwallington agreed
HI Martial Geeks. I'm Karate. I see you've advanced beyond the "Black & White" opinions about traditional martial arts. So that's a starts.
You make valid points; which furthermore, have practical value. Yet the accurate approach to traditional martial is rarely taken, which is not observing a YOutube video, and coming up with an, "AH Hah moment."
Step one is to truly understand the art. And the 1st hurdle with traditional arts is that they are very hard to truly understand. This is why the old masters spent concentrated hours daily for decades. Serious study. LIke college & grad school.
Instead, YT martial arts puts up some superficial "test" pointing out some factor or observable attribute which fails to consider the complex myriad traditions martial science embodied in traditional arts. Good luck with ALL that. 🫤🥴🥴CHEERS.
Ayy thank you! I've always been inspired by many many traditional martial arts, even ones I have never trained, I love it so much! I agree that even though it's getting better, on youtube a lot of opinions are still black and white, but unfortunately on both sides of the "argument"