Chase Elliott led 236 laps in this race. His dad Bill Elliott led 241 laps in his entire career at Martinsville. Fan or not, it’s cool to see him accomplish things his father didn’t.
I happen to like chase because when Jeff Gordon retired I didn't know who I was going to pull for i was very impressed with chase all thought it took him a little bit to win a race. Which he had the race won at Chicago won until a caution came out with two laps left and that opened up the door for Martin truex to win considering chase had a two and a half second lead before the caution came out. Just like he had the southern 500 won this year he can fucking wheel a race car he has already won on a four types of tracks mile and a half short track road course and super speed way.
@@robertrobinson1111 I was a smoke fan....it was so irritating his rookie year to watch him almost win so many times before he finally did at Richmond 2 (then 2 more after that year) caution, run outta fuel, crash, u name it and I seem to remember it happening to smoke before he was able to win in his rookie year
@@stevehaney2259 yea but the playoffs are still in nascar, kevin harvick is not a champ this year and jimmie still has 7 championships. You can hate it all you wang but at the end of the day nascar is a business and they make their money by entertaining the fans and this is more entertaining than the old points system🤷♂️
@@spiderman4207 wrong lmaoooo. Bout the most retarded thing i have read today. Its absolutely hysterical actually. For you to say, “its better than the old points system” shows your a completely out of touch with what Nascar is. Kevin Harvick by far was the most dominant driver this year, as well as team. There is absolutely 0 way that he should not be a contender for the championship, is diabolical. And it isn’t entertaining becauze the car sucks, the format sucks, and the direction of nascar right now, is horrendous. Let me put this in perspective for you, a driver, we’ll use Kyle Busch, could win 35 races in a row, go to phoenix blow a motor, and not be the champion. Better yet, he could run great, have a 2nd place finish, only to a guy who made it into the “game 7 moment” that Nascar wants to create (hysterical 😂 what is this the fuckin NBA?), and not be the champ, after winning every single race and finishing 2nd the last one. That is by far the stupidest thing ever, in the history of motorsports, and if you think any piece of how that works is entertaining, your a sheep.
Holy crap, I just realized that! No wonder this championship seems so wide open...when was the last time neither of those three made the Championship 4? Has it EVER happened?
My Takes From Martinsville: -Congrats to Chase Elliott for advancing to the championship 4, he proved all the haters wrong and is making a name for himself. -The Race was a really good race with all the drama, very entertaining! -Credit to Brad Keselowski for recovering from a penalty to 4th, very impressive. -The Playoff Cutoff really gave me anxiety throughout this entire race and it was exciting. -Devastated for Kevin Harvick missing out on the championship 4 after having an amazing season, and I don't blame him for trying to make a last corner desperation effort to make the final 4, anyone in his spot probably would've done the same. -Kyle Busch's save on the white was 🔥🔥🔥 -A controversial statement and I hate to sound like a "NASCAR Boomer" but NASCAR needs to get their stuff together, no way a driver with 9 wins, an average finish of around 7th, and a comfortable cushion coming into Martinsville, should've been eliminated. I hate to bash NASCAR like this but the playoffs are an issue, we need a legitimate good playoff system in the near future, because time and time again drivers have been getting screwed of possible championships, and the win and you're in rule should be removed, we can have someone 25th in points the entire regular season and 1 win at a plate track make the playoffs over a driver with no wins but consistency all season long. -Overall this race I give a 8.5/10, great race nonetheless.
I think the format should be where it's just the top 16 in points by the end of the 26th race get into the playoffs. Take out eliminations and just make wins equal an extra 10 points if they're going to keep the chase.
I mean their trying to make it intresting if it’s all based off the regular season then if would be boring and way to predictable.for example Hamlin didn’t deserve to be in final 4 with 3 bad races.harvik has 3 bad races. It’s kind of the name of the game harvik and Hamlin had plenty of points to make it but didn’t preform well at all .you also have to remeber this is the final 4 most of them all have some points so it’s gonna be close but they had tons of advantages but blew it. NASCAR gives winner huge advantages in playoffs .it be like in other sports if they gave the regular season best a free pass to the final
I would be cool if it’s the top 16 in points that’s able to use their wins as bonus points. The number 77 car won at a restrictor plate last year so it’s definitely possible of happening. But I do like the elimination playoff format.
The Playoffs are about rising to the occasion. things like this happen all the time in other sports. you cant shame nascar for trying to get more people to watch
My husband is a Kevin Harvick and Kyle Busch fan. I am chase Elliot and Martin truex jr. we are both happy Chase Elliot made it and hope he wins. We are not fans of the other three
I'm a big Hendrick Motorsports fan and I enjoy watching both Harvick and Ky Busch. But my jaw dropped when I saw Harvick hook Busch. There hasn't been many big moments like that this season and quite frankly it was hilarious to see him hook Busch and take himself out while Busch goes gangster mode and loopty loops over the finish line. I love bold moves like that
Well ya know....that waa Mark Martin's story his entire career. Remember the year he won like 10 races...and still finished 2nd? Because his main competitor waa Jeff Gordon? (98 MAYBE?) He was 2nd several times i believe with each year being superhuman HoF qualifying seasons!
Kevin: Gime the position Kyle Kyle: NO. Kevin: Alright you asked for it. He turns him. Kyle: Hold my perfect 360°. Kevin's car: ight imma head wall. Giorno theme.
@@slayerdearly this ones science but yeah it’s fucking weird. My school thought we where going back like 2 weeks after online so we only had like 4 classes a day but now we have to make up the classes we missed
fun fact: with Harvick being eliminated from the playoffs, his 5th-place position in the points is the lowest he has been all season, and he could still finish 6th if Bowman out-points him by at least 35 points (the gap is 34 and Harvick has the tie-breaker by having 9 wins to Bowman's 1, or 2 if Bowman wins Phoenix) also, incoming "Missing Rings" video on Iceberg's channel in a few weeks
Chase pulled off a MIRACLE today! His first short track win, and with the most pressure he’s ever felt to get his team (and his manufacturer...) into the Playoffs?!? With those 2 lousy pit stops? Damn... C’mon man, this was HUGE for his career. Whether you like the guy or not, you can’t deny he did something today that was HIGHLY unlikely. Good for him... But I STILL think “Happy” Harvick will get that 10th win of this screwy 2020 season in Phoenix next week...and Chase brings home his 1st NASCAR Championship with a Top 3 finish...
I found it bizarre that Stewart-Haas didn't have Almirola and Bowyer back up to let Harvick pass late in the race, he would've made the final 4 easily.
I'm sure that if they were subtle about it in the last 80 laps of the race it would probably be impossible to prove. I mean it cost them a legit chance at championship, Harvick is about as close to unbeatable at Phoenix as it gets.
Yeah it's a rule in that case. Teammates can't try and manipulate the race in order to help a teammate. But if let's say Blaney or Logano drove up to Elliott and moved him out the way to win and help Brad, then that wouldn't count as helping Brad was a bonus.
They created the rule after the season Joey Logano got the last spot over Jeff Gordon because Joey's teammate threw the race to give Joey more points than Jeff. I think it was 2012 but I could be wrong. They ended up letting Jeff into the playoffs, as well as Joey because of that move, and implemented the rule afterwards
I'm in Ellijay not to far from Dawsonville drive by his daddy shop on the way there. I'm going to make the trip over that way on race day for sure now.
My favorite moments as a nascar fan are 1998 Daytona 500 Dale Earnhardt wins 2001 Pepsi 400 at Daytona jr wins 2001 dover jr wins race after 9/11 2010 jr wins Xfinity series race in 3 car 2004 Daytona 500 2014 Daytona 500 I was there
I am a Kevin Harvick fan, and I enjoy this playoff system a lot. I’m going to be honest, we got screwed over by the rules package at Kansas. But I still like this format. Because like you said, it rewards the regular season, while still giving other drivers a chance to make an insane playoff run. Think of any sports league. While the regular season is rewarding, there is some randomness and chance that comes to the playoffs. It is unfortunate for Harvick, and my fellow Harvick fans, but I don’t disagree with the system.
Yep the intermediate rules package has got to change. It’s not fun to watch at all when someone is obv better than the guy in front of him but can’t do anything about it. The playoff format is good
That honestly frustrates me more than anything. He got screwed out of a championship by dirty air. Now Logano, a guy who pretty much existed and nothing more all year, is in the spot that should be Harvick's. That's unacceptable
@@23lacross I totally agree. The Martinsville race was incredibly exciting, and although we lost in the end, I was on the edge of my seat pulling my hair out on lap 1 up until lap 500
I wish we could have the old system but make wins more rewarding (250 points per win instead of 175), 40 points for most laps led, 20 points for fastest lap of the race, Add a constructors championship like F1 (have either teams compete or manufacturers), have the last 5 races of the season be on each type of track. Short track, super speedway, intermediate, and a road course.
I love this format because just because u did good in the regular szn doesn’t mean u should automatically be in the championship. Yes u can be the favorite but u still have to show up for every race.
I called this weeks ago. I posted it on a Chase Elliott fan page. I did hors of research. I knew Chase Would win. I saw Harvick missing. Stewart has as a whole has been struggling. Harvick was playing it to safe. Right now Mr. Hendrick and Jeff Gordon are pulling the best pit crew members from all four teams. Chase Elliott is on the simulator turning every lap he can. The compation director is putting the best Chevrolet Camaro body. With the best Chevy small block on the best 4 speed transmission Chevrolet offers. Mark my words Chase Elliott wins in Phoenix. 2020 Championship. He is saving Nascar. Good job been rooting for him from the Bristol in the Gatorade series
Harvick learned today you can't outrun instant karma. Also had Harvick wrecked Busch and advanced to the Final Four, something tells me Busch would've made sure that next week that Harvick wouldn't be winning anything.
Lol that’s not Karma it’s a racing moment. And Busch wasn’t even mad, he understands the situation and would have done the same to Kevin, it was just unfortunate events
Actually with how blatant that was of a turn right into the door something tells me he wouldn't be looking at a championship opportunity. Granted however. He left reared him. Meaning he spun him in a non dangerous way. If he right hooked him it's a whole nother ballgame
@@CClark-Gaming you can't spin someone none dangerously you can't predict how a driver will react or what a 3500 lb missile will do once knocked off course. Stop sugar coating harvick is a scum bag and he paid for his transgressions it's called LIFE!
@@deaf2819 completely untrue. Every single driver will tell you if you're gonna spin someone you do it in the left rear not the right. You go back to the days of Earnhardt and even back then that was the acceptable way to wreck someone. And actually yeah you can predict fairly accurately where a car will go when you spin it. The police calculate the same angles when performing a PIT maneuver. And I'm not a Harvick fan. So I'm not sugar coating anything but you can bet your ass 99% of the other drivers in that garage didn't lose even an ounce of respect for Harvick because he did that. It's a last lap desperation racing incident. And pretty sure that's what NASCAR would rule it. However there is an issue with Erik Jones not passing Hamlin that could lead to discipline for Hamlin prior to next weekend. Cause of a rule instituted after "Spingate"
As Landon Cassil once said, and this is the only time Danica Patrick and Kevin Harvick can be compared, rule number one of stock car racing is learn how to wreck someone without wrecking yourself
who would've thought that after all of what happened this season, kevin harvick and denny hamlin were fighting to be *eligible* to make it to the final four
This is the first time the point system has been truly interesting the whole time. I am so invested to see who is going to win the championship.sports have playoffs. Just how it is. That’s why Jimmies 5 in a row is so impressive. Harvick and Hamlin shit the bed in the playoffs. It brings pressure. I love it.
Awesome race. Fun seeing Corey get some play, need him in a decent ride next year. Go Brad, bring it home! RIP Miller as a 2 car sponsor for my whole life- sad face.
@@bradenadams6932 I’m a Harvick fan, so for obvious reasons sad and disappointing, I still enjoyed it. It was the most stressful race I think I’ve ever watched, and I’ve been to the last 5 Championship races at Homestead, but I still enjoyed it. It was the first time this season I’ve really been on the edge of my seat, biting my nails. Exciting, but sad.
@@supremeleadergnkdroid3202 1.Harvick hit the wall in Texas while leading the race because Nascar waited too long to throw the red flag for rain. 2. He would have finished 10th at Martinsville if it wasn't for the desperate move caused by this stupid playoff system
Well that was great race. Honestly I think it's finally about time that a Chevrolet is going to the playoffs since 2016 and first Hendrick Motorsports car to go to Phoenix and Win a Championship. That was a AWESOME race.
Honestly, kinda sucks that Bowman didn't make it because he was one of the most consistent drivers throughout the playoffs (along with Elliott and Logano).
I agree, I think this is the best balance between fair and entertainment. NASCAR I think has nailed it with this one and needs to keep it. Today’s race was one of the most engaging races I have ever seen.
@@supremeleadergnkdroid3202 well majority of fans after the race where upset and frustrated about the playoffs because Harvick was eliminated and they have a great point.
@@DanielNuteson terrible package made it so Logano won Kansas because of dirty air. The driver who got the most wins this year and a TON of top 5s, 10s wont be in for the championship..? Only thing scary this Halloween is the format
I really like this format in considering engagement of the audience and maintaining integrity of the sport. My 2nd favorite format was the top 12, where top 10 make it on points. (2010's I think) The next 2 spots based on wins. Created comeback stories of people winning to make it in. Also good for rewarding a deserving champion.
I agree with what Hamlin said about Harvick missing the championship 4. If you want a game 7 moment, you can't ignore the other eight innings. I still can't forgive Harvick for the fall 2015 Talladega race, but his exit hurts. I compare this to the 2001 Seattle Mariners, who tied the regular season record of 116 wins, only to get eliminated in the ALCS 4 games to 1. The playoffs lost their legitimacy in 2004, when the Chase was first introduced. No other motorsports series (outside of the NHRA) has a playoff system, and if the championship is wrapped up early, they just deal with it.
Chase is in the final four besides Jimmie Johnson he is my favorite driver so yay!!! And also I already have that set that Eric was showing off. Honestly it is good and bad that Harvick is out of the final four. It is good in the case like oh my gosh Harvick isn’t in the final four but it is bad because he deserved the championship most.
Totally agree on NASCAR making too many changes to the “chase” format. Also would extend that to too many changes in packages/ adjustments to the cars in recent years. They’ve opened themselves up to a lot of criticism by doing so.
I can excuse the playoffs even though ideally I'd prefer a season-long format, BUT a championship race is SUCH a bad idea. No matter how well you do all season you have, at best, a 1/4 chance of being a champion. If you're a fan of a driver, and he wins 20 races, but blows an engine the last race, do you really want to watch the next Daytona 500? Here we go, 36 more races with, at best, another 1/4 chance. I feel like every year Nascar pisses off 75% of its fans.
You can’t blame the playoffs. Harvick was +42 above 5th before Martinsville. It’s him and his team that needed to show. They didn’t. It sucks yes. But all the fault was in Harvick and his team. Not the playoff system.
No it wasnt. Harvick has absolutelly dominated the season and the fact that he was thrown out of the championship in favor of drivers who have nowhere near Harvick's results is 10000% the format's fault. Sport is supposed to find and reward the best in the league. Instead Nascar finds their best and sabotages them to let losers catch up to create fake excitement. It is a joke.
@@-ragingpotato-937 can't rely on the season and sit back on points throughout the playoffs. Harvick knew the scenario and he failed in this round to perform to level he needed to and he even admitted to that. He's the only one not blaming a system except whiny ass fans who didn't get what they wanted.
@@-ragingpotato-937 the 9-7 giants beat the undefeated patriots for the championship . It’s stupid to compare nascar to ball sports but you can go undefeated in football and literally loose off of a bad referee call in 1 game. That’s what casual fans are used too
@@nascargamer1999 As you said, it's stupid to compare Nascar to ball sports. Sports are meant to find the best, and season long points are exactly what finds the best in racing. Every racing series on the planet knows that, including Nascar as that's what they used back when they cared about the racing and about making a true competition. But now, due to whiny ass fans that get oh so bored when a driver rightfully and fairly beats the shit out of everyone else, now Nascar doesn't give a shit about true racing and fair competition. Now they create magical "cutoffs" where deserving drivers get stripped of the gap they rightfully created to the losers behind and are put on the same level repeatedly in an attempt to get them to slip and shove an undeserving underdog into championship contention. It's literally the championship equivalent of throwing a useless caution to bring out a safety car and bunch everyone together again... oh wait, they actually do that too. The "ChAmPiOnShiP fInaLle" is like they threw a caution on the last lap of a race for absolutely no legitimate reason just so they can get their oh so precious "CrAzY ResTarTs", and fuck the leader who pulled a 20 second gap to second place.
@@EllisEntertainment I rather have a boring champion instead of the wrong champion. With that said, I don't know about the Winston format. Good, not perfect. But I know I hate the playoffs. I still liked this race though.
My issue with the current points structure is the lack of importance of the first 26 races. You make a great point with race wins and stage wins early in the year ultimately having large championship implications, but positions 2-40 need to have some importance. This system where the only thing that matters is who the leader is has exacerbated the frustrations by fans with the rules packages because NASCAR can't consistently generate compelling battles for the lead (and I don't think this is a realistic expectation to have) so points racing needs to become relevant again. I think there are ways to accomplish this while still maintaining the excitement and drama of the playoff setting: 1. Trim the playoff field down to 8. There isn't much suspense to the regular season when every competitive car gets in the playoffs. With an 8 team playoff there will be some good cars left out. Like this year, Kyle Busch being out of the playoff picture for most of the season would have been a huge story line and it would have been really fun to watch him each week try to dig himself out of that hole. 2. Get rid of "win and you're in". Winning should still be rewarded with playoff points but not be an automatic berth. Did we really need to watch Buescher in the playoffs in 2015 due to his fluke rain delay win? Make sure the best 8 teams are the ones that get to fight it out in the end. I think we get the best of both worlds here. With points racing relevant , there's more to keep everyone engaged during those inevitable early season snoozers where the 4 has dominant speed and runs away from everyone
@John Haas if your favorite driver is already locked in the playoffs and doesn’t have a good enough car to win a stage/win a particular race, it doesn’t matter if they finish 8th or 38th. I’m rewatching 1997 and every position for Gordon, Jarrett, and Martin was important. It’s more interesting IMO.
Everyone hates when one or two drivers dominate a season but as soon as that driver is not rewarded with the Championship start complaining about the points system.
I like the format. It makes it like other sports, you have to be consistent in the postseason to win. Just because Tom Brady and the Patriots went 18-0 one year doesn’t mean that they automatically win the super bowl. You have teams or in this case racers, that challenge for the wins in the postseason. That’s sports. Cinderella stories. You race every race to win and I currently like the system. Just my thought.
The only change I'd like to see would be for the regular season "champion" to get a pass to the Championship round. that would make the regular season even more important.
100% agreed in regards to the playoffs. Been saying for years that all sports started with season-long championships, and had very similar complaints to nascar when switching to a playoff system, but the weight of years of doing it that way eventually made it feel like the most legitimate way.
I think that this could be a great format, I go back and fourth between it being good and bad. I think it would be great to reward more playoff points for regular season. So like more pp points for a win I’m not sure what a good number would be, but I think for stage points maybe give 3 pp points for a stage win and 2 for 2nd and 1 for 3rd. This will make it so the drivers who had great season still have more of a buffer.
Ok here’s something better for a system. For playoff points during regular season, 1 point for a top 10, 2 for a top 5 and 3 points for a win. If you win regular season, an extra 5 playoff points and also of your the first place car to get eliminated after a round and you win in the following round your back in it and especially for the final 4 if your the 5th car in the standings you can still win the championship with a win
Chase Elliott led 236 laps in this race. His dad Bill Elliott led 241 laps in his entire career at Martinsville. Fan or not, it’s cool to see him accomplish things his father didn’t.
Willy Jr is getting it done
@@warrentransue3507 yessir
I happen to like chase because when Jeff Gordon retired I didn't know who I was going to pull for i was very impressed with chase all thought it took him a little bit to win a race. Which he had the race won at Chicago won until a caution came out with two laps left and that opened up the door for Martin truex to win considering chase had a two and a half second lead before the caution came out. Just like he had the southern 500 won this year he can fucking wheel a race car he has already won on a four types of tracks mile and a half short track road course and super speed way.
@@warrentransue3507 Willy jr??
@@robertrobinson1111 I was a smoke fan....it was so irritating his rookie year to watch him almost win so many times before he finally did at Richmond 2 (then 2 more after that year) caution, run outta fuel, crash, u name it and I seem to remember it happening to smoke before he was able to win in his rookie year
Everyone: Harvick is the champ!
His car at Martinsville: No, I don't think he is.
😂
Take the playoffs bs out of the picture and Jimmy don't have 7 and Harvick is your champion this year
@@stevehaney2259 yea but the playoffs are still in nascar, kevin harvick is not a champ this year and jimmie still has 7 championships. You can hate it all you wang but at the end of the day nascar is a business and they make their money by entertaining the fans and this is more entertaining than the old points system🤷♂️
@@spiderman4207 wrong lmaoooo. Bout the most retarded thing i have read today. Its absolutely hysterical actually. For you to say, “its better than the old points system” shows your a completely out of touch with what Nascar is. Kevin Harvick by far was the most dominant driver this year, as well as team. There is absolutely 0 way that he should not be a contender for the championship, is diabolical. And it isn’t entertaining becauze the car sucks, the format sucks, and the direction of nascar right now, is horrendous. Let me put this in perspective for you, a driver, we’ll use Kyle Busch, could win 35 races in a row, go to phoenix blow a motor, and not be the champion. Better yet, he could run great, have a 2nd place finish, only to a guy who made it into the “game 7 moment” that Nascar wants to create (hysterical 😂 what is this the fuckin NBA?), and not be the champ, after winning every single race and finishing 2nd the last one. That is by far the stupidest thing ever, in the history of motorsports, and if you think any piece of how that works is entertaining, your a sheep.
@@mitchdrew9005 you appear to be big mad. Tried turning your nascar off and back on again?
Most 2020 thing ever is that Kyle Busch, MTJ and Kevin Harvick are not battling for a championship 🤯 RIP "Big 3"
Holy crap, I just realized that! No wonder this championship seems so wide open...when was the last time neither of those three made the Championship 4? Has it EVER happened?
Big 3 is getting old. Father Time is undefeated.
@@disalvofamily231 dosen't necessarily mean anything, though the 2020 season was ok for them, they haven't "fell off" yet
Hamlin probably feels better that Harvick is eliminated
@Martin Truex Jr. You need you 2017 pit crew
“hey its 2020 man” -Kyle Busch
edit: thanks for the likes
Change that to Harvick
@@cadynliedke_racing1395 nah
It is what it is
Nah its killed
Kyle showed us how to parry your opponent’s final attack
Everyone: *Harvick lost championship because of this playoff format*
Me: *Harvick indirectly lost because of dirty air at Kansas...*
Thank you
And a wet track at Texas
No no he’s got a point
That is true.
Yes
Final four be like:
I’ll have a numbah nine... two Penskes, and a large Hamlin
Haha yes!!
And hold the harvick
@@scoopdapoop8269 LOL
holy shit thats amazing
I want a hamlin burger with no harvick
The last corner of the race be like
Kevin Harvick:. SAVE IT SAVE IT NOOOO
Kyle Busch:*Does a 360 save*
Matt D: I'm gonna just go down here.
*360
@@ppioneer1417 My bad.
Wrong
Its actually 360 snipping, noob slaying, dorito eating, Mtn Dew chugging, meme making, 420 blazing, MLG move.
@@dannywestbrooks7207 Oops I meant 360.
@@dannywestbrooks7207 Lol.
I have so much respect for that jackman, he knew the rules and had to think quick to save the 9 team that race.
9999999 IQ
Made the worst play and best play in moments
Capez true
7:48 it was so engaging I stood & jumped for the last 60 laps
Damn straight. #di9
Everyone: Harvick will win the championship
Harvick: Ight ima head out of the round of 8.
i recognize u
@@geo-lite69 You again.
@@jimmiejohnsonfan48karrilot87 we see each other a lot
kinda strange
@@geo-lite69 Yes we do
Kind of strange don't you think?
@@jimmiejohnsonfan48karrilot87 yes i do
very strange
My Takes From Martinsville:
-Congrats to Chase Elliott for advancing to the championship 4, he proved all the haters wrong and is making a name for himself.
-The Race was a really good race with all the drama, very entertaining!
-Credit to Brad Keselowski for recovering from a penalty to 4th, very impressive.
-The Playoff Cutoff really gave me anxiety throughout this entire race and it was exciting.
-Devastated for Kevin Harvick missing out on the championship 4 after having an amazing season, and I don't blame him for trying to make a last corner desperation effort to make the final 4, anyone in his spot probably would've done the same.
-Kyle Busch's save on the white was 🔥🔥🔥
-A controversial statement and I hate to sound like a "NASCAR Boomer" but NASCAR needs to get their stuff together, no way a driver with 9 wins, an average finish of around 7th, and a comfortable cushion coming into Martinsville, should've been eliminated. I hate to bash NASCAR like this but the playoffs are an issue, we need a legitimate good playoff system in the near future, because time and time again drivers have been getting screwed of possible championships, and the win and you're in rule should be removed, we can have someone 25th in points the entire regular season and 1 win at a plate track make the playoffs over a driver with no wins but consistency all season long.
-Overall this race I give a 8.5/10, great race nonetheless.
I think the format should be where it's just the top 16 in points by the end of the 26th race get into the playoffs. Take out eliminations and just make wins equal an extra 10 points if they're going to keep the chase.
Amen
I mean their trying to make it intresting if it’s all based off the regular season then if would be boring and way to predictable.for example Hamlin didn’t deserve to be in final 4 with 3 bad races.harvik has 3 bad races. It’s kind of the name of the game harvik and Hamlin had plenty of points to make it but didn’t preform well at all .you also have to remeber this is the final 4 most of them all have some points so it’s gonna be close but they had tons of advantages but blew it. NASCAR gives winner huge advantages in playoffs .it be like in other sports if they gave the regular season best a free pass to the final
I would be cool if it’s the top 16 in points that’s able to use their wins as bonus points. The number 77 car won at a restrictor plate last year so it’s definitely possible of happening. But I do like the elimination playoff format.
The Playoffs are about rising to the occasion. things like this happen all the time in other sports. you cant shame nascar for trying to get more people to watch
So we just not gonna talk about Kyle bush’s save on the last lap.
Not going to lie Kyle is one of least favorite drivers but that was a good save
He lighting McQueen’d on em
Was a nice save. I know he knew it was coming, but impressive to do that even knowing it was coming.
He did a 360
That was a video game move, I legit thought that was a huge bug in game physics that would never be possible in real life! Incredible.
First
Time I’m gonna defend Harvick
had me at the start ngl
sort of like my confident prediction harvick would be champion this season
They had us in the first half not gonna lie
I doubt you'll defend Harvick because your user icon is a 9
I PREDICTED HARVICK WOULDN'T MAKE IT
As a Chase Fan, Super glad he got into the final 4. As a NASCAR fan, disappointed that Harvick missed the final four after dominating the season.
My husband is a Kevin Harvick and Kyle Busch fan. I am chase Elliot and Martin truex jr. we are both happy Chase Elliot made it and hope he wins. We are not fans of the other three
I'm a big Hendrick Motorsports fan and I enjoy watching both Harvick and Ky Busch. But my jaw dropped when I saw Harvick hook Busch. There hasn't been many big moments like that this season and quite frankly it was hilarious to see him hook Busch and take himself out while Busch goes gangster mode and loopty loops over the finish line. I love bold moves like that
Well ya know....that waa Mark Martin's story his entire career. Remember the year he won like 10 races...and still finished 2nd? Because his main competitor waa Jeff Gordon? (98 MAYBE?) He was 2nd several times i believe with each year being superhuman HoF qualifying seasons!
Exactly how I feel. Happy for Chase, disappointed for Harvick.
No he only dominated the bull crap 550 package when he got horse power and no downforce he sucked.
Kevin: Gime the position Kyle
Kyle: NO.
Kevin: Alright you asked for it.
He turns him.
Kyle: Hold my perfect 360°.
Kevin's car: ight imma head wall.
Giorno theme.
That was so funny yet so painful.
😂😂🤣🤣
😂😂😂
Yeah Kyle knew it was coming, perfect reaction with a perfect 360 save 👏😂
Dude I have class at 5 in the morning it’s 930 I’ve stayed up for this one my guy I needed this video
should i be going to bed earlier, i have practice at 4 and go to bed at 10 i didnt this was a problem until now-
@@sellverett510 my guy I usually go to bed at like 9 haha yeah probably should go to bed early lol
Wtf kind of class starts at 5am?
@@slayerdearly this ones science but yeah it’s fucking weird. My school thought we where going back like 2 weeks after online so we only had like 4 classes a day but now we have to make up the classes we missed
When Eric has more sponsors than most of the backmarkers combined😂
This is the best comment i found and I've been scrolling for 10 min
*It really do be like that*
@@markb5560 thanks😂
Missing Rings: Kevin Harvick 2020
Nah if he won 30 races he deserves it but I deserved it the most
@@billsbetterthanurteam8488 yeah i agree
It technically isn’t cause he missed the championship 4
@@ethanroy4978 but he had 9 rings and that’s the point of it
Iceberg get filming
Kevin Harvick: *Skrt skrt to final fou-...*
Denny Hamlin: *reverse uno card* 🔃
Kevin Harvick: *I have become Playoff Denny...*
lol
@ClikZ Lux ツ But he reveresed the positions of the words..... a joke within a joke.....
Don’t know why Jones didn’t pass Hamlin. He got fired, I would have said 🖕 and gave the good old bump and run
now you understand why he got fired; no balls
Me too. I would have bumped him out of the way.
Especially with Hamlin yelling at me over the radio the whole final 40 laps or so.
He's still young, not trying to make enemies with the Joe Gibbs guys early in his career
I liked Jones.. So mad he chickened out on Hamlin..
I honestly thought Harvick was gonna pull a Newman, but he pulled a Patrick instead
LOL
😂🤣, .. sour loozer #4, ..
Good one! Lol!!
Nobody:
Harvick on the last lap: I will initiate self destruct
That jack man deserves a raise.
Yes man, yes
If I’m Hendrick he would give him a 9000 dollar raise since he is number 9
No joke I said that when I saw what he did saved a chance at the championship for Elliott
fun fact: with Harvick being eliminated from the playoffs, his 5th-place position in the points is the lowest he has been all season, and he could still finish 6th if Bowman out-points him by at least 35 points (the gap is 34 and Harvick has the tie-breaker by having 9 wins to Bowman's 1, or 2 if Bowman wins Phoenix)
also, incoming "Missing Rings" video on Iceberg's channel in a few weeks
Harvick will win Phoenix and show people how stupid this system is.
Ummmm... Harvick at Phoenix unbeatable 🤦🏽♂️
Kevin Harvick: *misses out on the final 4
Jimmie Johnson: you feelin it?
Chase pulled off a MIRACLE today! His first short track win, and with the most pressure he’s ever felt to get his team (and his manufacturer...) into the Playoffs?!? With those 2 lousy pit stops? Damn...
C’mon man, this was HUGE for his career. Whether you like the guy or not, you can’t deny he did something today that was HIGHLY unlikely.
Good for him...
But I STILL think “Happy” Harvick will get that 10th win of this screwy 2020 season in Phoenix next week...and Chase brings home his 1st NASCAR Championship with a Top 3 finish...
I found it bizarre that Stewart-Haas didn't have Almirola and Bowyer back up to let Harvick pass late in the race, he would've made the final 4 easily.
I think they would get fined and lose points
They cant the 100%rule prevents that or Keselowski would've done the same with blaney and Logano
I'm sure that if they were subtle about it in the last 80 laps of the race it would probably be impossible to prove. I mean it cost them a legit chance at championship, Harvick is about as close to unbeatable at Phoenix as it gets.
Yeah it's a rule in that case. Teammates can't try and manipulate the race in order to help a teammate. But if let's say Blaney or Logano drove up to Elliott and moved him out the way to win and help Brad, then that wouldn't count as helping Brad was a bonus.
They created the rule after the season Joey Logano got the last spot over Jeff Gordon because Joey's teammate threw the race to give Joey more points than Jeff. I think it was 2012 but I could be wrong. They ended up letting Jeff into the playoffs, as well as Joey because of that move, and implemented the rule afterwards
I would’ve thought you were crazy if you said to me back in September that Harvick would miss the final 4
2020's really shown us that anything and everything will happen
Yup
True
Fax
Correct
Yep
I wish I was in Dawsonville to hear them bells ringing!!
Imagine if he wins the championship. I bet you could hear the bell from up here in MD!
On face book they waited so long to start them and used jumper caples off a truck
I'm in Ellijay not to far from Dawsonville drive by his daddy shop on the way there. I'm going to make the trip over that way on race day for sure now.
0:00 reaction to this whole season
Same man, same
Nah, just the year itself not just NASCAR but in general.
Besides Dale jr. winning Michigan in 2012 this had to be my greatest moment in NASCAR.
My favorite moments as a nascar fan are
1998 Daytona 500 Dale Earnhardt wins
2001 Pepsi 400 at Daytona jr wins
2001 dover jr wins race after 9/11
2010 jr wins Xfinity series race in 3 car
2004 Daytona 500
2014 Daytona 500 I was there
I was worried when we lost Jeff Gordon but than we got Chase Elliot
I am a Kevin Harvick fan, and I enjoy this playoff system a lot. I’m going to be honest, we got screwed over by the rules package at Kansas. But I still like this format. Because like you said, it rewards the regular season, while still giving other drivers a chance to make an insane playoff run. Think of any sports league. While the regular season is rewarding, there is some randomness and chance that comes to the playoffs. It is unfortunate for Harvick, and my fellow Harvick fans, but I don’t disagree with the system.
Yep the intermediate rules package has got to change. It’s not fun to watch at all when someone is obv better than the guy in front of him but can’t do anything about it. The playoff format is good
That honestly frustrates me more than anything. He got screwed out of a championship by dirty air. Now Logano, a guy who pretty much existed and nothing more all year, is in the spot that should be Harvick's. That's unacceptable
@@23lacross I totally agree. The Martinsville race was incredibly exciting, and although we lost in the end, I was on the edge of my seat pulling my hair out on lap 1 up until lap 500
Is the new format better?
No.
Is the old format better?
No.
Then what’s better?
Don’t worry about it and enjoy the season.
A new system that is similar to the Winston format,but is rewarding to dominating drivers.
You got the right mind set.
I wish we could have the old system but make wins more rewarding (250 points per win instead of 175), 40 points for most laps led, 20 points for fastest lap of the race, Add a constructors championship like F1 (have either teams compete or manufacturers), have the last 5 races of the season be on each type of track. Short track, super speedway, intermediate, and a road course.
Guys press read more I’m not telling you to come up with a good playoff format
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Chase Elliott must be an alcoholic with all those beers
@@Ab_Ismael now...
If I were NASCAR, I would change the points format in 2022 with the next GEN car and change the format whenever there’s a new generation car
I love this format because just because u did good in the regular szn doesn’t mean u should automatically be in the championship. Yes u can be the favorite but u still have to show up for every race.
Howdy Dorito Harvick showed up in every race I mean he fucking came back up into the top 10 after a terrible race all day
You must be a young snow flake LOL
@@joshuashutterspeed exactly he had a terrible race all day
@@patricktully7752 Until he came back towards the end up into the top 10
@@joshuashutterspeed but he ra bad all day so why should he get in instead of people like brad keselowski and denny hamlin who ran up front all day
I agree. I like the current format. Today was so exciting, and that's what its all about.
Harvick: *has a 42 point lead heading into the race and a possible clinch after stage 1*
Martinsville: imma end this man's whole season
😂🤣
I called this weeks ago. I posted it on a Chase Elliott fan page. I did hors of research. I knew Chase Would win. I saw Harvick missing. Stewart has as a whole has been struggling. Harvick was playing it to safe. Right now Mr. Hendrick and Jeff Gordon are pulling the best pit crew members from all four teams. Chase Elliott is on the simulator turning every lap he can. The compation director is putting the best Chevrolet Camaro body. With the best Chevy small block on the best 4 speed transmission Chevrolet offers. Mark my words Chase Elliott wins in Phoenix. 2020 Championship. He is saving Nascar. Good job been rooting for him from the Bristol in the Gatorade series
As a chase fan I'm so happy right know what a year!
Let me just remind you. Kevin Harvick was 42 points above the cutline. And he didn’t make it
This is why this format is shit
And he cut he’s tire cut by Matt Kenseth
@@alnado0423 is the format shit or did Harvick choke? 👀
The format sucks
@@fansonly3656 The format is shit
Imagine if Harvick spun Busch and it knocked out Hamlin 😱
That would have been legendary
I love how he tried to wreck Kyle to get a position but wrecked him and himself
I was laughing for about 10 min afterwards
Same.. but it was also funny it was Kyle of all ppl
Like Danica.
That's what Harvick gets for being a moron!!
@@mackgarciajr3286 huh?
Harvick learned today you can't outrun instant karma.
Also had Harvick wrecked Busch and advanced to the Final Four, something tells me Busch would've made sure that next week that Harvick wouldn't be winning anything.
Lol that’s not Karma it’s a racing moment. And Busch wasn’t even mad, he understands the situation and would have done the same to Kevin, it was just unfortunate events
Actually with how blatant that was of a turn right into the door something tells me he wouldn't be looking at a championship opportunity. Granted however. He left reared him. Meaning he spun him in a non dangerous way. If he right hooked him it's a whole nother ballgame
@@CClark-Gaming you can't spin someone none dangerously you can't predict how a driver will react or what a 3500 lb missile will do once knocked off course. Stop sugar coating harvick is a scum bag and he paid for his transgressions it's called LIFE!
@@deaf2819 completely untrue. Every single driver will tell you if you're gonna spin someone you do it in the left rear not the right. You go back to the days of Earnhardt and even back then that was the acceptable way to wreck someone. And actually yeah you can predict fairly accurately where a car will go when you spin it. The police calculate the same angles when performing a PIT maneuver. And I'm not a Harvick fan. So I'm not sugar coating anything but you can bet your ass 99% of the other drivers in that garage didn't lose even an ounce of respect for Harvick because he did that. It's a last lap desperation racing incident. And pretty sure that's what NASCAR would rule it. However there is an issue with Erik Jones not passing Hamlin that could lead to discipline for Hamlin prior to next weekend. Cause of a rule instituted after "Spingate"
As Landon Cassil once said, and this is the only time Danica Patrick and Kevin Harvick can be compared, rule number one of stock car racing is learn how to wreck someone without wrecking yourself
who would've thought that after all of what happened this season, kevin harvick and denny hamlin were fighting to be *eligible* to make it to the final four
You spin me right round baby right round round like a record baby - Kyle Busch after the end of the martinsville race
Harvick pulled a Danica.
He also got Newman'd which was hilarious.
Kevin Harvrick: I'm going to win the championship
The playoffs system: Allow me to introduce myself.
I had him as my championship pick.
Same
@@point_decascadia I think most of us did.
@KatPlayz ! My pick now is Keselowski because he has the most wins with the package that will be used at the championship race.
@@jimmiejohnsonfan48karrilot87 Not me
@@isaacpitts9555 Who is your pick?
Ideal nascar playoff system: one round, 36 races long. Starts at Daytona and ends at Phoenix. Most points wins.
I remember when NASCAR fans bitched about kensenth winning championship with only one win. NASCAR’s fans are only happy when they’re miserable
That is the Winston cup format I miss those days I want that format back I never wanted it gone
As soon as I saw harvick wrecked I knew this was coming lol
As soon as I saw Harvick at Kyle Busch’s door I knew Harvick would spin him I just didn’t see Harvick spinning himself
@@ACREracingleaguextra I really just didn’t expect to see Harvick spin him at all that was a real surprise to me
This is the first time the point system has been truly interesting the whole time. I am so invested to see who is going to win the championship.sports have playoffs. Just how it is. That’s why Jimmies 5 in a row is so impressive. Harvick and Hamlin shit the bed in the playoffs. It brings pressure. I love it.
Karl Edwards said you are a jerk
@@deasttn if you’d spell his name right. Even then it was only between two people. We truly have no idea who will win this weekend.
Hamlin didn't quite shit the bed (though he tried) and now he gets to go to a track he has dominated at recently. It's his to lose.
Awesome race. Fun seeing Corey get some play, need him in a decent ride next year. Go Brad, bring it home! RIP Miller as a 2 car sponsor for my whole life- sad face.
Kyle Busch pulled a spin move at the end
people who like this format like entertainment more than competition and there's no way around it.
Wow, I guess nascar got there “game 7” moment. 🤷♂️
And no one other than Elliott/Logano fans and Harvick haters actually enjoyed it.
@@bradenadams6932 I’m a Harvick fan, so for obvious reasons sad and disappointing, I still enjoyed it. It was the most stressful race I think I’ve ever watched, and I’ve been to the last 5 Championship races at Homestead, but I still enjoyed it. It was the first time this season I’ve really been on the edge of my seat, biting my nails. Exciting, but sad.
More like WWE moment
Harvick sucked two weeks in row
@@supremeleadergnkdroid3202 1.Harvick hit the wall in Texas while leading the race because Nascar waited too long to throw the red flag for rain.
2. He would have finished 10th at Martinsville if it wasn't for the desperate move caused by this stupid playoff system
Well that was great race. Honestly I think it's finally about time that a Chevrolet is going to the playoffs since 2016 and first Hendrick Motorsports car to go to Phoenix and Win a Championship. That was a AWESOME race.
Honestly, kinda sucks that Bowman didn't make it because he was one of the most consistent drivers throughout the playoffs (along with Elliott and Logano).
The letters W, O, and W, sum up this race quite well
This was sad being a Truex fan. Good job for Elliot though!
And Harvick, ouch.
I agree, I think this is the best balance between fair and entertainment. NASCAR I think has nailed it with this one and needs to keep it. Today’s race was one of the most engaging races I have ever seen.
The 2004-2013 Chase Format, it Provided Wins and Consistency
Harvick: Hey playoffs what's your favorite song
Playoffs: Sympathy for the Devil because I can relate to it
Like the playoffs or Not
Kevin Harvick dominating the season is the most 2020 thing.
Kevin harvick can now take Kyle Busch’s old line ”its 2020”
The playoff format is shit.
@@Upracefan so brave
@@supremeleadergnkdroid3202 well majority of fans after the race where upset and frustrated about the playoffs because Harvick was eliminated and they have a great point.
@@DanielNuteson terrible package made it so Logano won Kansas because of dirty air. The driver who got the most wins this year and a TON of top 5s, 10s wont be in for the championship..? Only thing scary this Halloween is the format
I really like this format in considering engagement of the audience and maintaining integrity of the sport. My 2nd favorite format was the top 12, where top 10 make it on points. (2010's I think) The next 2 spots based on wins. Created comeback stories of people winning to make it in. Also good for rewarding a deserving champion.
Yeah I agree
Thats the perfect picture of me for the thumbnail
I argee
I agree with what Hamlin said about Harvick missing the championship 4. If you want a game 7 moment, you can't ignore the other eight innings.
I still can't forgive Harvick for the fall 2015 Talladega race, but his exit hurts. I compare this to the 2001 Seattle Mariners, who tied the regular season record of 116 wins, only to get eliminated in the ALCS 4 games to 1.
The playoffs lost their legitimacy in 2004, when the Chase was first introduced. No other motorsports series (outside of the NHRA) has a playoff system, and if the championship is wrapped up early, they just deal with it.
Chase is in the final four besides Jimmie Johnson he is my favorite driver so yay!!! And also I already have that set that Eric was showing off. Honestly it is good and bad that Harvick is out of the final four. It is good in the case like oh my gosh Harvick isn’t in the final four but it is bad because he deserved the championship most.
Unfortunately Hamlin or logano most likely will win.
@@billsbetterthanurteam8488 probably
@@billsbetterthanurteam8488 nah it’ll be brad or chase considering who they ran last time at Phoenix
@@tannerluckenbaugh6318 but logano won
@@tannerluckenbaugh6318 I personally don’t want elliot to win because so many young chase fans will say he is the best driver ever
Totally agree on NASCAR making too many changes to the “chase” format. Also would extend that to too many changes in packages/ adjustments to the cars in recent years. They’ve opened themselves up to a lot of criticism by doing so.
All I can say is the 2014 Chase/Playoffs has struck again.
Accept Hamlin was now Newman and harvick was Gordon
I can excuse the playoffs even though ideally I'd prefer a season-long format, BUT a championship race is SUCH a bad idea. No matter how well you do all season you have, at best, a 1/4 chance of being a champion. If you're a fan of a driver, and he wins 20 races, but blows an engine the last race, do you really want to watch the next Daytona 500? Here we go, 36 more races with, at best, another 1/4 chance. I feel like every year Nascar pisses off 75% of its fans.
Kevin Harvick I have 9 wins I’m a lock : Kyle Busch it’s still 2020 : Martinsville you shall not pass
🤣😂
This is the first time a Hendrick car was in the championship 4 in 2016 when Jimmay won his 7th championship.
This may mean Chase actually has a chance
@@ACREracingleaguextra not a great chance, but it's still there
@@ACREracingleaguextra He does have a chance.
I'm happy for Elliott getting into the Final 4 and sad for Harvick missing the Final 4
Yes
Yes x2
despite the fact i hate harvick keselowski should not be in the championship 4 over harvick
I love this format. It forces drivers to perform in crunch time, and not rely on the past.
The impossible did just happen Eric, indeed it has
Best race I've watched in several years. That was very entertaining.
You can’t blame the playoffs. Harvick was +42 above 5th before Martinsville. It’s him and his team that needed to show. They didn’t. It sucks yes. But all the fault was in Harvick and his team. Not the playoff system.
No it wasnt. Harvick has absolutelly dominated the season and the fact that he was thrown out of the championship in favor of drivers who have nowhere near Harvick's results is 10000% the format's fault.
Sport is supposed to find and reward the best in the league. Instead Nascar finds their best and sabotages them to let losers catch up to create fake excitement. It is a joke.
@@-ragingpotato-937 can't rely on the season and sit back on points throughout the playoffs. Harvick knew the scenario and he failed in this round to perform to level he needed to and he even admitted to that. He's the only one not blaming a system except whiny ass fans who didn't get what they wanted.
I agree
@@-ragingpotato-937 the 9-7 giants beat the undefeated patriots for the championship . It’s stupid to compare nascar to ball sports but you can go undefeated in football and literally loose off of a bad referee call in 1 game. That’s what casual fans are used too
@@nascargamer1999 As you said, it's stupid to compare Nascar to ball sports. Sports are meant to find the best, and season long points are exactly what finds the best in racing. Every racing series on the planet knows that, including Nascar as that's what they used back when they cared about the racing and about making a true competition.
But now, due to whiny ass fans that get oh so bored when a driver rightfully and fairly beats the shit out of everyone else, now Nascar doesn't give a shit about true racing and fair competition. Now they create magical "cutoffs" where deserving drivers get stripped of the gap they rightfully created to the losers behind and are put on the same level repeatedly in an attempt to get them to slip and shove an undeserving underdog into championship contention.
It's literally the championship equivalent of throwing a useless caution to bring out a safety car and bunch everyone together again... oh wait, they actually do that too.
The "ChAmPiOnShiP fInaLle" is like they threw a caution on the last lap of a race for absolutely no legitimate reason just so they can get their oh so precious "CrAzY ResTarTs", and fuck the leader who pulled a 20 second gap to second place.
Great video, great race! I agree the current nascar playoffs is really exciting to watch!
I love this format.
@ClikZ Lux ツ ummm so if this was in 2003, Kevin would of been the champion. Let go of the past BORING 😂😂😂😂😂
@ClikZ Lux ツ He is right on piont your just a nascar fans that likes to hate.
@@EllisEntertainment I rather have a boring champion instead of the wrong champion.
With that said, I don't know about the Winston format. Good, not perfect. But I know I hate the playoffs.
I still liked this race though.
@@MH_0015 the race was amazing
@@seamuso7020 thank you so much
I love the playoff format it allows an underdog and this is the first year the regular season champion didn’t make it to the final 4
Harvick in Twitter now: PAIN.
My issue with the current points structure is the lack of importance of the first 26 races. You make a great point with race wins and stage wins early in the year ultimately having large championship implications, but positions 2-40 need to have some importance. This system where the only thing that matters is who the leader is has exacerbated the frustrations by fans with the rules packages because NASCAR can't consistently generate compelling battles for the lead (and I don't think this is a realistic expectation to have) so points racing needs to become relevant again. I think there are ways to accomplish this while still maintaining the excitement and drama of the playoff setting:
1. Trim the playoff field down to 8. There isn't much suspense to the regular season when every competitive car gets in the playoffs. With an 8 team playoff there will be some good cars left out. Like this year, Kyle Busch being out of the playoff picture for most of the season would have been a huge story line and it would have been really fun to watch him each week try to dig himself out of that hole.
2. Get rid of "win and you're in". Winning should still be rewarded with playoff points but not be an automatic berth. Did we really need to watch Buescher in the playoffs in 2015 due to his fluke rain delay win? Make sure the best 8 teams are the ones that get to fight it out in the end.
I think we get the best of both worlds here. With points racing relevant , there's more to keep everyone engaged during those inevitable early season snoozers where the 4 has dominant speed and runs away from everyone
@John Haas if your favorite driver is already locked in the playoffs and doesn’t have a good enough car to win a stage/win a particular race, it doesn’t matter if they finish 8th or 38th. I’m rewatching 1997 and every position for Gordon, Jarrett, and Martin was important. It’s more interesting IMO.
Nascar changed they points format every three years because of Jimmie Johnson. But they couldn’t stop him
Everyone hates when one or two drivers dominate a season but as soon as that driver is not rewarded with the Championship start complaining about the points system.
I like the format. It makes it like other sports, you have to be consistent in the postseason to win. Just because Tom Brady and the Patriots went 18-0 one year doesn’t mean that they automatically win the super bowl. You have teams or in this case racers, that challenge for the wins in the postseason. That’s sports. Cinderella stories. You race every race to win and I currently like the system. Just my thought.
I agree 100% on the playoff format. Love it!
The only change I'd like to see would be for the regular season "champion" to get a pass to the Championship round. that would make the regular season even more important.
I agree with not changing the format , and the rule package so often
Rodney: Alright Kevin 1 point
Kevin: *Ight im bout to body Kyle Busch*
100% agreed in regards to the playoffs. Been saying for years that all sports started with season-long championships, and had very similar complaints to nascar when switching to a playoff system, but the weight of years of doing it that way eventually made it feel like the most legitimate way.
Time for The Iceberg to fire up Missing Rings again for Harvick
Best Nascar coverage by one of us fans by far!
Brad drove his ass off
I think that this could be a great format, I go back and fourth between it being good and bad. I think it would be great to reward more playoff points for regular season. So like more pp points for a win I’m not sure what a good number would be, but I think for stage points maybe give 3 pp points for a stage win and 2 for 2nd and 1 for 3rd. This will make it so the drivers who had great season still have more of a buffer.
Last time I was this early Kevin harvick was the championship favorite
i personally love this playoff format it’s my favorite that they have done
I don't it should still be the old Winston cup format
Missing Rings: Kevin Harvick 2020
Iceberg, you can start recording the video
Ok here’s something better for a system. For playoff points during regular season, 1 point for a top 10, 2 for a top 5 and 3 points for a win. If you win regular season, an extra 5 playoff points and also of your the first place car to get eliminated after a round and you win in the following round your back in it and especially for the final 4 if your the 5th car in the standings you can still win the championship with a win