Horten Ho 229 Reconstruction Project - German (Deutsch)
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- We are a small but closely knitted team of individuals from a different walks of life who have one goal in mind - to rebuild and test Horten Ho 229-V3 World War II jet aircraft developed by Horten brothers.
The Genius of the German engineers is amazing; they were 30 years or more ahead of their time.
Correct .
Totally agree. Their genius is second to none
what an exageration: the idea of this type of design was all over the place since years
I do not know if I am the only one who notices it, but during World War II, the Germans forced professors and engineers from invaded countries to slave labor. Most of them were people of Jewish nationality. In such a case, crowing about the genius of German engineers taking advantage of the slave, shameful and inhuman work of people whose families were murdered in the camps is, in my opinion, inappropriate.
@@nosignalineter I Apologize, but the Horton is the Brainwork of 2 German Brothers. Your Statement may be true, but not about the Horton. Peace my Friend.
you have to give respect to German scientists.
IT WAS THE USA THE BUILT THE FIRST FLYING WINGS
THE AMERICAN BUILT THE FIRST FLYING 1929 ua-cam.com/video/Q4fBVESIwok/v-deo.html
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THE AMERICANS BUILD THE FLYING WING BOMBER ua-cam.com/video/7Dfj3SeMI-s/v-deo.html
AMERICAN ENGINEERS ARE WORLDS BEST AMERICAN FIRST IN FLIGHT LEADS THE WORLD TODAY
YOU HAVE ALL THE RESPECT TO BOB BORTHROPP WHO BUILT THE FIRST FLYING AND GERMANS CHEAP COPY CATS!!!
@@kimberlywilliams7543 Sorry to say this,but the first patent of a flying wing was granted to Ignaz Etrich in 1905.
Jose Weiss did some work in the first decade of 1900.
Hugo Junkers got his patent of a flying wing in 1910.
Please do some research before writing a comment and remember,not everything was invented by Americans.
Germany made the first Jet powered flying wing.
B2 Bomber is based on it. The engine locations are a lot more similar than Northrop’s version.
@@kimberlywilliams7543 well Boing does Not well those days the American flying wing was not a jet plane and was very unsuccessful with a lot of H 9 the software would have been able to clear the sky's over Germany American invented copy too telephone, car ,electric train engine, ATV just to name a few
Kimberly Williams not only was it the first jet powered flying wing, but it was also the first radar stealth aircraft.
Edit: ya I know this isn't true now, but I was much stupider 3 years ago. So I'd like to make a correction, it was not a stealth aircraft, but rather the materials used (mostly wood) just happened to be more radar absorbent, and while the aircraft would have been theoretically harder to detect with a ww2 era radar, that was in any way planned.
I ll always be astonished by this design ...
Me too.
A true jet fighter 100 years ahead of its time.
A true game changer!
In 1947 pilot Kenneth Arnold saw a group of 9 flying objects that looked like nothing he had ever seen before. He said that the way they flew reminded him of "saucers skipping on water". This originated the name 'flying saucer' and the ensuing UFO craze. However, the description he gave of the actual vehicles was unmistakably that of a squadron of Hortens. So, what I'd like to know is: who built these aircraft? Were they American versions of the German prototypes? If so, whatever happened to them? And why would their motion be akin to 'skipping saucers'? Because of their high speed, much superior to the pre-jet era speeds Arnold was used to?
Northrop Grumman are famous for their research and development of the flying wing/delta wing. I would assume they would have had a large part in learning from the German Horten and may have developed some exotic adaptations of the platform.
This is a FANTASTIC project! I would LOVE to see an HO 229 in person!
Saw it one morning.Tought I was seeing a UFO till I looked it up.Incredible plane.Very quiet and nearly invisible.It was just gliding about 2 treetops highIf it wasnt for the morning sunrise I might have missed it.
@@kporter8171 you bullshitting or what?
@@JacksonD163 Probably
@@kporter8171 lmao what?
no. no b.s.
The Horten is just a beautiful bomber.
The body lines on the plane are just perfect.
Will always be a favorite of mine.
Todd these ones were supposed to be used in a fighter role, the Horten 18 or the Amerika bomber was to fit the bomber role
Wonder if they ever planed to use hemp in the construction. Patent 3190554 .
Erick Abernathy no, this was a fighter bomber, as it could carry two 1000kg bombs(600kg of explosives each) that around 2600lbs of explosives. The whole point of this thing was to be able to bomb England without the radar being able to detect it.
@@crow_boi3387
Just a bomber, a fighter bomber has guns, the requirement was for a light bomber, there was no attempt to make it stealthy.
@@barrierodliffe4155 no it carried two long barrel 30mm cannons
German engineers was the best .....
+Olivier Hecbard were
ok, thank you
I've worked on WW2 American, Japanese, British, and German aircraft and I have to say that the easiest and best engineered aircraft are the German aircraft.
Not the easiest or best to fly.
Olivier Hecbard thank you man, i think The Germans (we) building ist The amerikans Stole it
Such an amazing design. So glad to see it being reconstructed. Truly great work you guys are doing!
I want to see that magnificient jet reconstructed and flying again on air shows all around Europe !!!!
Extraordinary design. But... I absolutely guarantee that ''stealth'' never entered the mind of the Horton brothers while designing this.
Even the Northrop wing which had a much smaller radar cross section than an ordinary fuselage, was not designed with stealth in mind. In WWII nearly everyone missed the fact aircraft like the DeHaviland Mosquito had very little radar reflectivity. If someone had noticed, stealth would have indeed "been discovered".
It was shown that the B-35 and B-49 exhibited stealth characteristics which were attributed to the lack of vertical surfaces. In tests they successfully evaded detection, albeit by the more primitive radar of the time.
the YB35 not so much due to the contrarotating props, which are a giveaway to radar. There is no way to make those less visible to electronic detection.
True, but a large amount of returns come from vertical fuselage sides and vertical rudders. In fact, the B-35 had large nacelle sides and the B-49 had small rudders, all of which did provide some radar return, but all in all, nowhere near the same as a B-17, B-24, B-36 or any other large aircraft at the time.
Very much so. They used carbon laced glue for the joints and make it to defeat the British chain home radar. It was to bomb Britain.
Nothing new under the sun, I wonder how the USA got the idea for an stealth bomber?
Northrop's flying wings and R&D from the _F-117A_
So is there an update?
their is one in pieces at Washington,DC Smithsonian,sure would be nice to restore it.I assume you are aware of it.
@soaringtractor it will probably never be restored..
охуенный акцент! :)
"лет ми спик фром май харт!" (с)
- "OINK" ???
Ulybka
Oh originally German concept!!! Well it's my favourite ☺️.
Flying wings are not novel to Germany.
tom jary My is the 262 ;)
actually no, northdrop had flying wings as well.
@Carl Clarke thankyou, i was tired from work and missed it.
@@TheInsaneupsdriver Yes, Jack Northrop and the Horten brothers were working on this concept in parallel during the 1930s, similar to Whittle and Ohain working on the first turbojet engines in Britain and Germany. All deserve our respect for their creativeness. Btw. in 2009, the Northrop company built a replica (1:1 model) of the Horten IX V3, which is a nice homage to their former "competitor".
Forget about the politics of the era, the hatred, the killing. This design is a feat of human ingenuity, a bit of genius in dark times, a testament to human ingenuity and resolve. Let it be built !!! Let it fly !!!
I remember this first from the old LucasArts flight simulator Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, and it was referred to in that game as the Gotha designation.
Finally learned about the Horten brothers and their work years later, and wrongly named or not, this is one of the most beautiful airframes mankind has produced, in my opinion.
Since this was published in 2012 you didn't make it.
This is one of the most amazing aircraft to ever come out of the War. It is definitely one of my favorites. Best of luck to you in your endeavors!
Good luck, don't forget some computer flight stabilization to aid the pilot.
@FuLLeFFekT1
The Horten design had to be modified by Gotha and it was still not much use.
@@barrierodliffe4155 Of course there is was not much in use, because the first jet-powered flights were in late 1944 and early 1945, so the end of the war came soon after and stopped development. This does not mean that the design was not useful.
@@goldfing5898
Not used at all, the experimental aircraft was a failure, and it would have needed years of development to get anywhere if Germany had any suitable jet engines.
@@barrierodliffe4155 I don't think some of the people here understand that this plane would be unstable in some instances, and it would only be a matter of time before it gets into one of those instances. The Northrup N-9M flying wing design was first flown in 1942 with propellers and was derived from Jack Northrup's X-216H from back in 1929 . The full size was later flown with jet engines on the YB-49. The flying wing project was abandoned and the planes scrapped because of instability problems, it wasn't viable until computers were refined and invented to provide constant control making dozens of corrections every second to keep it stable. Sure it looks pretty, but it will be a death flight without computers to keep it in the air.
When I was stationed at AFB (2000-2002). I went to the Smithsonian Aviation Museum warehouse to help move some aircraft to the new museum at Dulles airport. On the back wall I saw some weird wings and went to look i saw the center fuselage on a large pallet. The wings of ho 229 on the wall just falling apart I could of picked up a piece with the paint still on it but I didn't.
The Smithsonian is in the process of restoring that aircraft.
It was cool, but lacking any sort of vertical stabilizers it would have been a widowmaker..
Can you say flat spin?.
This might not have been the case as 4 flights have been done in 1945. The maneuverability was much better than of the ME 262. The speed was higher. The only operational plane crashed due to engine failure and lack of experience on that air frame. So I would really like to see it fly again.
I can only pray that your project will ever be realised! A dream would come true seeing a REAL GO229 flying under its own power ( The correct german name of this superb all wing fighter is Gotha 229 and the Horten code was IX it was never called Horten 229 ;-)
WTF?...the B-2 was a copy of Jack Northrops flying wing not the Horten brothers baby!
Good luck with your initiative.
I must point out though, that there are some error inducing facts in your video with regards to the aircraft itself...
My God, this is extraordinary. Politics aside, an example of what dedicated individuals, dreamers and doers can accomplish working together. Let us have this kind of cooperation in our coming journeys to the planets and to the stars !
Talk about hype - - even if this is true, this came out at the war's end, too late to make any difference at all
Buenos días!. Horten vivió en Argentina después de la guerra y aquí fabricó varias alas volantes una de ellas se llamo "Naranjero" y estaba concebido para carga. Por otro lado USA,fabricó un ala volante después de la II GM. La fábrica Northrop la construyó y colocó motores propulsados a hélice. Saludos
Is it me or does this guy sounds like Checkoff from star trek? Lol
Germany is great I love Germany
Thanks
The stealthiness was an accident, not part part of the design.The use of wood is what makes a Horton flying wing difficult to detect. Wood doesn’t reflect microwaves like aluminum will.The aircraft was barely into prototypes at the end of the war.
@Komma Här It was an ingredient in the adhesive. Similar could be found in the _Mosquito's_ construction
4:39 Fastest Russian Jet Engine from Samovar Propulsion Lab...
What is the current status of this project? I live 20 minutes from the airport in Farmingdale.
But... in tests, it was found to not be stealth, just reduced radar detection by around 20% (and no actual proof that stealth was a planned major component of the aircraft), and the development of the B-2 stealth bomber has no apparent correlation to the Ho 229
I've just been told by a Tim K. that i'm "full of sh**" it's interesting to see the quality of argument based on facts drops when emotions kick in. We do need evidence no invective. How awful and very sad.
If Germany would hae waited 2 more years before starting the war things might have went alot different
Yes. Germany would have been destroyed by US Atomic bombs.
@@strauaale7855 germany was working on the A bomb with there V2 rockets london would be a memory
@@dewaynemiguel3349 the ME262 Was put on "ice" for a year because the Nazi leadership could not See it's Potential.
No Germany would ever win a war with These sick and old fashioned minded drug addicts as Leaders.
Enigma Code never changed, London air raids during day Light, fighter Planes have to Stick in Formation with Bombers, no Bomber shotdown over britain cause the people would not See the success, no Radar allowed in fighter Planes cause the "hunter" should not have an ugly nose, bullshit over bullshit, the list is endless.
No matter how much extra time Nazi Germany would have given, the would have fucked it up!
@@strauaale7855 i agree im just saying if Germany had waited 2 years longer to start the war it would have been different i think if they got some of there wepons in production MILLIONS more people would have died
Germany's Achilles heel was a chronic oil shortage, a problem the Nazis never solved.
Jack Northrop was working on flying wing designs in the late 20s, and his first wing only powered versions flew in the very early 1940s . The Horten brothers were also working on their somewhat similar concepts - just slightly later than Jack's earliest boom tail wings. The Horten bros. work paralleled the work of Jack Northrop on flying wing designs.
There is evidence that the NAZIs were collecting patent and other data on aerospace developments in USA. While the Horten Brothers were talented developers, there are reasons their prototype crashed. One of the problems with a true flying wing is recovery when it leaves the flight envelope. The N9M was much more stable because the propeller shaft acted as a vertical stabilizer. When the flying wing bomber was converted to jet power vertical stabilizers had to be added. The B2 has over 100 flight control computers to make sure that it does not leave the flight control envelope and deal with other control issues. There is a reason why no flying wing fighters were developed after WWII. Until the F117 a flying wing fighter would have been more dangerous for the pilot in a dogfight than to the enemy. The B2 is about stable flight. While the B2 can probably carry out unusual maneuvers, such data is still classified. Another problem that Horten had was the reliability of the engines. Of course if the replica is built we will find out more.
I should add the N9M propeller shaft fairings acted like vertical stabilizers.
@@saltyroe3179 Actually, propellers themselves have a side area effect as well, certainly greater than the prop shaft fairings in this case though they definitely help. Propellers forward of the Aerodynamic Center are destabilizing and aft are stabilizing in their effects. For instance, that's why late production P-51B/C's eventually got the fin leading edge extension (dorsal fin) similar to the P-51D-10. Going from a three-blade (Allison engine) to four-blade prop (Merlin engine) added a bit more instability than the original design accounted for. (The D model's instability was made even worse by the taller and much less streamlined canopy than the A/B's leaving a turbulent wake in front of the vertical stabilizer. The prevalent "loss of keel area" explanation is bogus.)
@@saltyroe3179 There'd be a 'side area' problem with a flying wing that had no vertical stabiliser: the Horten design may have compensated for this in the prominent positioning of the jet engines towards the back of the centre-section, while lateral stability was to be provided by spoilers on the wings.
German technology during WWII was so far ahead of its time...ME-262, HO-229, V-2...the list goes on.
There is a good chance that we would all be speaking german right now if this thing was ever used.
+Dylan Persaud
The v.III of the Horten 229s never was completed to begin with. The v.II crashed and burned on its second flight hour, and the series as a whole was not a capable aircraft.
IT was too late in the war to make a real difference it would have probably prolonged the war by a few months by slowing down the allies but Germany had already lost by the time the prototypes were being tested
Not only too late the only one to fly was an experimental plane with no provision for any weapons and a failure.
By that logic the Germans would be speaking Russian now.
But it wasn't....
It wasn’t a stealth fighter, it’s design had a side effect of lessened radar presence. It was designed as a fast heavy bomber.
- No, its future derivative was to be a heavy New York run heavy bomber.
MyDog Brian yes, a heavy bomber
@@nekro6897 How the hell you get a heavy Bomber out of a flying winging with only room for a pilot & the whole purpose of that radical design was to use the wings to clip the tail rudder or wings off of the hords of B-17 bombers flating German industry.
- Your probably confusing it with the US YB-35, the YB-49, or the B-2 all 3 are US Airforce Heavy BOMBERS.
- Germany never built any production heavy bombers during the war. Only the US & England did.
MyDog Brian look it up, it is often incorrectly cited as a stealth bomber but it is a heavy bomber
MyDog Brian in the grand scheme of bombers it is light but as it is a fighter/bomber it is considered heavy.
The web site is password protected. .???? Not very friendly or informative.
Is still protected. :-(
The US was experimenting with flying wings probably as well as the USSR. The US version was the Northrup XB-35/YB-35 which evolved into the YB-49. The YB-49 successfully flew in 1947 and was NOT based on the Horten. The XB-35/YB-35 was propeller driven and it did fly. It was a swept wing, flying wing that looked every bit as cool as the Horten. The US had the same flying wing technology as Germany. The B-2 evolved from the YB-49.
Great project! Respect!
they were advanced. First balistic missiles, first man object to reach space, they sent a bug inte space making it first thing to reach space, first jet fighter,first stealth
Not really
@@peterson7082 since u dont say why idc about ur opinion
Germany was very clearly years ahead of the Allies in aerospace technology...
Didn't go to Northrop. They never seen it until the 1980's they built a fiberglass copy for win tunnel tests.
Imagine,if Germany would have won the war,what kind of weapons they will be developing today.
Who stole the technoligy?
The B-2 analogy is wrong. The B-2 shares the same wingspan as the Northrop YB-39 and YB-49, which were developed from Jack Northrop's pre-WW2 N1 through N9M designs.
Now you know where the stealth bomber came from. German technology
+Mr G The B-2 stealth bomber has the same size and mission role as the YB-35/YB-49 that was designed by Northrop starting in 1941. Very little influence from the German design. media.gettyimages.com/photos/photograph-of-a-northrop-yb49-taking-off-circa-1947-picture-id96823892
The craft that crashed at Roswell 1947 after being boxed up and shipped to New Mexico for testing by the Americans.
A truly innovative aircraft - in concept, revolutionary engineering design and conceptual aeronautic philosophy, etc.
A marvel of mid century German design aesthetics !
Not innovative in the slightest
They did not give it, they were stolen.
Spoils of War.....Besides, Jack Northrop was doing quite well with his wings.....
*If there's a time machine, i will like to go past, in Germany........*
Yeah I know when I say manipulated I meant about how they were offered a free get out of jail pass by the USA for there secrets etc
You need funding as well as several resources to do this project. Good luck!
Nope, this project is a lie.
sorry it is a bomber not a fighter and not stealth capable but was harder to pick up due to its minimal cross section at the front and sides
These were the projects that drained the Germans of resources instead of developing planes like b29,p51 etc,etc that could be produced quickly and put into the field.it represents one of many bad strategic decisions they made.
It seems that you're basing your opinion on that same old conventional argument typically found in standard U.S. history textbooks. The reality is, however, that German engineers and military officials new that once the Americans entered the war, the only way to achieve victory on a short time scale was to develop highly advanced, space-age technology to force the Allies to "sue" for peace. Had the war stretched out just another year longer, allowing Germany time to bring these advanced planes to fruition, then such technology could have been a game changer.
@@marksprunger8936 jets require a longer runway which can be spotted from a long ways away,one bomb on the runway and strafe the aircraft on ground which is why most Nazi aircraft never made it off the ground,the allies put there jet programs on hold and stayed with a proven design.the Italians invented the jet years before so it wasn't the break thru technology media likes to claim, the thing that boggles my mind is that the Nazis executed admirals for giving away sub positions, they didn't know it was sonar which we had developed years earlier.
@@davidjennings127 I'm quite familiar with WWII military history, and I've never seen any credible information showing that the Italians invented operational jet aircraft before the Germans; furthermore, it was German jet/rocket technology, via the WWii era V1/V2 ballistic rocket program, that essentially put the Americans on the Moon in '69 utilizing the German-built Saturn V.
@@marksprunger8936 Von Braun was the design manager for the Saturn V. But to claim its German is ridiculous.
I suggest that you look into who comprised the Saturn V's design team; the majority of such people spoke German as a 1st language. And, interestingly, some of them were former SS officers. This is well-known history that can found in any reputable book dealing with the Apollo space project. (Check for yourself.)
Why do people belive its a stealth fighter? Its not a stralth fighter. Yes the shape makes it harder to detect. But it was never designed to be as a stealth fighter. That just comes with it beeing a flying wing
while I agree this was an amazing aircraft, and you never actually say it, the beginning of your video implies that the H.O.229 led to the B.2. This is incorrect as Jack Northrop had been experimenting with flying wings from the 1920s completely independent of German research. I think the Me 262 had a far larger influence on the worlds aviation.
The me262 was the 1st operational jet fighter as it entered service first. It also had swept wings and the floater meteor had straight wings. The tail dragging gear were only used on the prototypes and the production planes had tricycle gear. Although the first fighter to use the tricycle gear was the Bell aerocobra. Also the British jets used a bypass jet engine so for more power they had to get bigger around the me262 used axial flow jets that just needed to get longer and were the more advanced type. Both the mig 15 and the f86 used captured German technology directly from the me 262.
While you claim the British planes were operational because they were used against v1s me 262s were used in combat against other manned aircraft. I don't take anything away from the British and their excellent aircraft but the facts are the German plane was better and widely copied where the British design was not. I think you may be a victim of history is written by the winners and thankfully the Germans lost
Well I have no love for the Nazis and if I were flag waving I would talk about the fantastic p51 mustang. The poor quality of the German engine had more to do with a total lack of resources and materials that could take the heat and pressure of a jet engine. The fact remains that German jets were used in combat during the second world war and no other nation can make that claim. I have been studying this for 40 years plus myself and I have read reports from allied pilots who flew German jets and universally praised them.
+jaydee040 the americans copied german aircrafts after the war, the prototypes. no one can deny that german planes were the most advanced in that time, the 40s. the horten229, the me262, the flying saucers, nor even british or americans could produce such great enginery in that TIME the 40's. today the american Northrop B-2 Spirit or invisible F-117 are totally bullshit, they claim it was them who invented them, but it was not, it was invented by the GERMANS, the americans copied the Horten 229 and other jets, as well as the british copied some german prototypes for their RAF, the Vulcan XH558 has also big GERMAN influence , all the americans and the british do is for vanity and keep feeding their patriotic fantasies
***** no matter how good or bad the German engines were, they were the first ones to have a functional jet plane
Why not also create the two seated Horten Ho 229 V7? The V7 was the most advanced one.
the video intro implies that the Horten is responsible for Bomber pilots seeing fast-moving round glowing objects following their aircraft. The objects were variously described as fiery, and glowing red, white, or orange. Some pilots described them as resembling Christmas tree lights and reported that they seemed to toy with the aircraft, making wild turns before simply vanishing. Nope not a Horten
No it doesn't. You seem to be referring to the mention of UFO sightings - it's difficult to tell without you making an explicit reference, so there's more confusion now instead of less. Anyway, UFO means nothing more than Unidentified Flying Object. _Not_ alien spaceships, _not_ flying saucers, _not_ fiery balls. A UFO is anything that keeps itself in the air that cannot be identified by the obeserver who sees it. Could be a barn door with a rocket engine, could be a hang glider, a quad drone or a party balloon - as long as *the observer cannot say what it **_is_* . That's the entire point.
@@Noone-of-your-Business manufactured in America, destroyed in Serbia with S - 125; We did not know that the invisible F-117 A Nighthawk (fell in BUDANOVCI - Buđanovci ) and B-2 Spirit Missouria (fallen into the SPACING COURSE - Spačvanska šuma ) Steven Li Bashen - B-2 Spirit units in Combat - Tomas Vitingtin on page 43.
This clip is 5 years old! Where is the Plane??? I can see no Progress... I wish there is a "modern" Horten 9! Very optimistic Project! ;-)
Kevin Koeberling GOOD question!!!
It was found to have very little in the way of radar evasion. The claim that it was designed to defeat British radar is based on one line in a letter from Otto Horton. There is a very good documentary about these vary claims from NATGEO.
Danke schön !
Did this project ever proceed? It would be fascinating to see a new Horton!
So what's the latest update on the project this videos at least two years old. Looking forward to more info.
Is this still on progress?
It's just a pimped glider like the ME163 and many other "modern" looking concepts. Truth is the BF110, an old fashion minded Bomber, was build throughout the whole war to serve the needs of the Luftwaffe.
None of these concepts Planes, not even the ME262 would have changed the German Situation.
I'd love to visit your site but it asks for a password!
Did you get the password?
If you run your Ho229 program in the same way as you did your research about the plane your plane will never fly. The B-2 does not derive from the Horten IX nor was the Horten IX the first flying wing.
He called it the first jet powered flying wing. And it was. So bugger off
@@grimfandango6137 time stamp?
Hi What progress have you made?
But what I saw these Russians are building are... Samovars for Tea!!!
German It's the best
Greatz German. @-@
Best of luck to you guys. The Horten flying wing is/was fantastic.
I absolutely love the look of this aircraft
While serving in the USAF, as a Weather Observer at Davis-Monthan AFB, in Tucson, AZ, one Summer weekend in 1979, while lying on a lounge chair, in my backyard near the base, on a very clear night observing the stars I saw a strange, and disturbing sight. Keep in mind, I was extremely familiar with all types of aircraft flying in and out of the base, including the newly released F-15 and A-10 Warthog, the U-2's that had just been transferred out, and the occasional SR-71. I noticed movement in the sky, and saw a flight of three aircraft that I could not identify. They had the bottom profile of the Horton HO-229. This observation lasted for approximately 5 minutes, as the flight circled from the West, North of the base, making a slow turn to the South, East of the base until out of sight, so I had enough time to concentrate and take in exactly what I was seeing. I am absolutely sure of what I saw, and it haunts me to this day. This was before the B-2 had taken to the sky, and the rear profile did not have the saw tooth back end of the B-2. It definitely had the point in the rear, like the HO-229. On that particular weekend, there was no flights out of the base at night. What did I see?
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Shows whats possible in a world VOID of SJW's.
Wanda Meadows shows what german engineers are able to do and us not! And shows that the us are thiefs!
The first flying wing appeared in USA at the end of the 20s... Yes Germans was able, but became anyway the bitch of USA and USSR. Still today.
Francis TC omg!! The Horton H 9 (or horton HO 229) was the first flying wing- first flight was in 01.03.1944. The US take this prototypes to America and rest is history. You can hate us germans if you want but the most Important inventions came from us germans 😉
Even the soooo american jeans was invented by a German 😂😂😂
Ihr Amis bekommt einfach nix selbst gebacken und bedient euch einfach bei den anderen die schlauer sind als ihr - irgendwie seid ihr fast wie die Chinesen aber die haben wenigstens ihre Mauer gebaut 😂
@@Kackbratze99 American jeans was an Italian invention... Word jeans comes off Genoa. And still you cry out afraid by Russian bear (Russia troops recently deployed in kalinigrad) still imploring US help.
Not the first stealth fighter. Early WW2 radar was so poor and rarely used that everything was stealth. And those aren't "space suits", they're pressure suits.
I love it when people get butt hurt that the B2 stealth bomber isn't a copy of the Norton ha ha.
Clearly it is as it was stolen technology and yes two are miles apart yet this plane was cutting-edge technology in it's day and if it was to make it into the war it definitely would have changed history as we know it.
She is a beautiful plane and no one can deny that.
The B2 is a direct descendant of the YB-35 and YB-49 that were started by 1942 and long before the unfinished and untested Horten third prototype was discovered only half-constructed in the Gotha factory in April 1945.
the B-2 had not one shred of Horton 229 in its veins...
Yeni Ceri.
Clearly if the war had lasted long enough to get past the failures of experimental aircraft and get something like this into production and if Germany had ever made a reliable jet engine. From an experimental aircraft to a working prototype would take a couple of years at least and then if all went well another year or two to get into production. The RAF already had faster more capable aircraft by then, as it was the Me 262 introduced late 1944 was not able to do much.
It saddens me the Horton 229 wing never reached fruition. Certainly poor attitude not to give the Hortons credit and give us the Usual NIH BS we get from across the pond. How many deaths did it take to prove the Starfighter F104 was the wrong concept and a waste of space?
It took just one death to prove the Horten was not much good, and it was really as much a Gotha since they took over and completed the only one that flew for a very short time before it crashed. The Ho 229 was never made, only an experimental aircraft and a part finished aircraft and maybe a couple more that were in the very early stages of construction.
If it had worked which is highly unlikely Germany had no reliable jet engines for it and a lack of pilots, but the war ended well before any thought of starting to make any production models.
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I think these were copies of Russian and American designs. They realised quite soon there were no inherent advantages to them.
Between this marvel & the HAUNEBU flying saucer, the Germans had the allies beat in aviation technology!!!
This never got off the ground, just a failure of an experimental aircraft and the flying saucer was just a dream, it never happened.
Yes, that's why they lost the war, all technology and no production.
Not really; Goering was in awe of the P-51, and even envied the Spitfire. The latter was credited with winning the "Battle of Britain" but there were many more Hurricanes built which were slower but responsible for shooting down more German aircraft than the Spitfire.
There was the Mosquito, unequaled by the Nazis, as well as the Lancaster bomber. Towards the end of the war, the British Gloester Meteor jet fighter was tasked with shooting down V1 bombs which it did, successfully.
And fcuk, who designed the P51? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Schmued
Haunebu flying saucer? Dont read too much Wehraboo fanfics.
Even with advanced technologies, there is no point if in the end, it drained resources necessary to actually win the war.
Everyones all german great builders this and that but they dont know Henry Ford built the first flying wing and probably gave the design to the nazis since he was such great friends with them and the united states had grounded all fords aircraft saying they were un air worthy. Considering they are air worthy even to this day its safe to say the goverment did that because they was mad at henry for something. Probably giving the flying wing to the nazis is what they was mad about. Research deeper you think you're learning about some deep stuff learning about this plane but you are just getting started keep digging you history buffs! Found on road dead just like the nazis after the battle of the bulge.
All of the technologies that the world has was invented by the Germans, thank you Germany 🇩🇪
Germans invented all technology?
Not true.
The Irish invented Whiskey.
Does that include jet engines which they tried to copy? sonar, even advanced radar, proximity fuses or the computer?
@@barrierodliffe4155 The jet was invented in Germany 🇩🇪
Alright guys, cmon. We all know it isn’t a stealth fighter, a bomber or a inspiration for the B-2. It was only remotely stealthy due to construction being wood for the lack of available, and the rear end of the engine being on top of the aircraft. I don’t know if the Germans were going to make the Horton 229 a bomber, but based off the fact the Germans were really only just fighting to bring some allied bombers down, it probably wasn’t going to be a bomber. Lastly, the Horton 229 wasn’t the inspiration for the B-2. The B-2 was complete made as a stealth bomber, to have a flying wing design to negate drag, made angled to deflect radar waves to avoid detection, and have the engines on top to avoid heat seeking missiles. The Horton on the other hand was a cheap wood and glue boi with big guns that can go fast and shoot a extra 6 bombers down.
Northrop never received a Horton 229 or any plans of that aircraft. Jack Northrop was very advanced in the construction of their flying wings. The Horton Brothers had figured out some balance and C/G issues that Jack Northrop could not seem to identify. I have fist hand knowledge about this. I have worked at Northrop Grumman for 37 years in the R&D shop. In fact I was the lead on the National Geographic Horton 229 "Hitler's Stealth Fighter" Project. We rebuilt the aircraft from the ground up. I got a chance to discuss all the details about this amazing aircraft with author David Myhra. He spoke to the Horton Brothers face to face and wrote extensively about all aspects of the 229. I was very honored to work on such a beautiful aircraft. I always thought it would be a fun project to rebuild a 229 with new technologies and materials. I wish I had the opportunity to do just that. Your fellow technicians will have so much fun. I would like to visit your project shop and see how its going. That would be fun. Well, good luck and have fun, Tim Knott
Tom Knitt
You are a liar.
They visited the last horton brother in Argentina to solve. B-1. Its documented in spanish all the visits
@@ebretonm So the Horten brothers knows the characteristics of stealth aircraft? This aircraft is not even designed with stealth in mind, it was designed with 3x1000 requirements in mind.
Beautiful airplane - Northrop had an extensive test program with his pure flying wing projects beginning in 1940 with the N1M and evolved into the N9M series which became a well proven design to confirm the characteristics of a stable wing platform. The N9M went on as a trainer for pilot familiarization to transition into the later B-35/B-49 bombers that were eventually produced and tested for an air force contract. The comment about c.g. issues with the Northrop designs seems too subjective to point out as an issue here. It would appear all flying wing aircraft of similar layout would have the same sensitive c.g. issues so implying it had been solved in the Horton design is just conjecture. The Ho 229 had never been through enough testing to confirm it not having handling issues. Also, I've not read any research that indicated stealth qualities were in any way part of the design objectives of the designers - it came about by chance as it did with the later Northrop airplanes as well.
The Horten brothers started before Jack Northrop with the flying wings.
Los restos de este gran proyectista descansan en paz en la localidad serrana de Villa Gral.Belgrano provincia de Cordoba,Argentina.
Is see so many misspellings of *"Horten",* it's not Horton - one "o" and one "e".
Mach 1 I keep forgetting that sometimes
@@horton229a2 The Ho IX (Gotha 229) could never controllably fly Mach 1....The aerofoil was too thick (>18%) and
the shock wave formed way too soon on the upper surface to get anywhere near Mach 0.8.....
Ohne unser Flungzeug ( Was immernoch UNS DTEUTSCHLAND ) gehört hätten die Ammis NIEMALS so schnell die Tarnkappentechnik erforscht... Eigentlcih gehört die HORTEN 229 in ein DEUTSCHES Museum und nich zu den Ammis... MEINE MEINUNG....ich sach ja bloß..
any progress in the past 3 years?
+Kyle Berube lol 27 mins ago.
+SMOKER ?
+SMOKER ??????
its only minth
Kyle Berube I meant his comment was posted 27 mins ago when I looked.
Thankfully it never entered production, wouldve faced a lot of technical problems like other last ditch axis jet fighters
Wasent exactly meant for stealth, the mostly used the shape for its performance benefits less drag, better lift, higher top speed, but still i think the germans would have figured out pretty soon it had stealth capabilities
8 years since this video hasnt led to any progression by the looks of it🤣.
Вот я понимаю прогресс того времени!
manufactured in America, destroyed in Serbia with S - 125; We did not know that the invisible F-117 A Nighthawk (fell in BUDANOVCI - Buđanovci ) and B-2 Spirit Missouria (fallen into the SPACING COURSE - Spačvanska šuma ) Steven Li Bashen - B-2 Spirit units in Combat - Tomas Vitingtin on page 43.
It was never designed as stealth.....that...was just coincidence it.was just a product of it's construction...ie wood.
you guys are doing gods work
Good luck with the reconstruction!
It wasn’t a stealth fighter, it was never designed as such. It had a small cross section but the turbine inlets made its visibility about the same as an me 109. There was a programme on tv by American film company who made a full size model and tested it at radar test centre and it had low cross section but no where near being stealth as we know it.
IT WAS NOT DESIGNED FOR STEALTH WHATSOEVER IT JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE A SMALL RADAR CROSS SECTION BUT THEY DID NOT THINK ABOUT THAT AT ALL WHEN THEY DESIGNED IT
Its paint was designed to absorb radar. Together with its flat design, this is the first stealth aircraft.
please do your research, this plane had no intention to be a stealth fighter, it was intended to be a bomber for the 3x1000 challenge put up by the nazi's (deliver a bomb load of 1000kg over 1000km with a speed of 1000 km'h). the 30 mm's were added later by request of hitler.the reason it had a small radar cross section was because they used a lot of wood in the design because there was a shortage of aluminium in nazi germany. this design of the flying wing existed already in the 30's when radars weren't a problem.
Marijn Kebap "During World War II, brothers Walter and Reimar Horten designed a prototype for a German stealth plane that, if completed, could have changed history as we know it." web.archive.org/web/20090627133554/channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/Overview24#tab-facts
""The majority of the Ho-229's skin was a carbon-impregnated plywood, which would absorb radar waves. This, along with its shape, would have made the Ho-229 invisible to the crude radar of the day. So it should be given credit for being the first true "Stealth Fighter"" is a very popular idea about the horton, but it wasn't designed to be a stealth fighter, like i said, the design dates back to the 30's and radars weren't even a thing to be considered, and the carbon-impregnated plywood also absorbed radar waves, but most likely it was used because it was stronger and cheaper and even lighter than the most materials the germans could afford to put on a experimental bomber/fighter.
Marijn Kebap The first radar station was established in 1935. The first flight of the Ho 229 was in 1944. The Germans were quite knowledgeable of radar technology by this time, having quickly developed radar of their own.
So German engineers had to build cars. For a long time German cars were a decade ahead of anything else. Shame on the bloody French & their Treaty of Versailles!!
Nonsense.
I know replicas of the ME262 have been completed with modern engines and perform well. This should be very interesting. I wish you all success in the project. It can be done since small radio controlled versions are operating very good. The design is very sound. Good luck.
fucking hell,this plane is giving me a huge nerdboner!