What i love as a small detail of Don's ego, It's the dolls that she holds in her hands. The dolls are fighting, colored red and blue. Representations of Bari and og Don Quixote.
@@kiwinosaur5441 If it helps, mechanics like this actively fight you to keep tension and have the sequence last as long as it needs to. IIRC you straight up cannot lose the QTEs at the end of the fight in Limbus's case even, and after a while it becomes incredibly easy to win
I see that both the criticism of Dulcinea in this video as well as a lot of comments defending it lacks serious context from the source material (the book). Dulcinea is really just a name in the book, but to say PM tried their best characterizing her is like saying PM did not understand the book. The reason source Dulcinea did not has any character is because she is the satirical representation of how old chilvary novels often objectify woman, viewing them as a names to save and not actual humans. PM Dulcinea is more of a interpretation to fit the context of the amusements park of the game and very much not a failed attempt at giving character to the source, as her lack of character is very much intentional like the source. She is the face of the parade but the parade is never-ending so people only know her as that and not as herself. She lost her identity being associated to the parade much like how source Dulcinea lost her identity being associated as a damsel in distress. The hate that boiled inside her when we met her is a interpreted logical continuation of that, like everything else in this canto, as she is now too tired of Don’s bullcrap and stop trying to show her character for everyone to see. . . . Her fight is indeed a slog though.
Not to mention the comments about how Sancho always looked at her as if she was a lesser, even when they were "equal", which may be a reference to how she was just set dressing in the novel and that compared to Don Quixote, a land owner, probably didn't give a hoot about her beside her role in his delusions since she was just a peasant. Or in this case, Sancho, someone who was just as much set dressing as her, looking down at her just because her because he was a Don Quixote's squire instead of a background character.
35:07 For those wondering as to the answer to his question, its stated in bloodfiend gregor story. Hemobars managed to sate their physical needs but they simply cannot experience true joy without human blood straight from the vein. Which, unfortunately, also will turn the human if they aren't outright killed by it. Which is of course why you can never have dulcinia or the barber enact a standard vampire love story, beyond the fact I called dibs. We saw a little bit of this in the Warp Train event, where casseti was able to kill people despite the warp train's normal immortality glitch. They don't just need food, they need the emotions that make you human.
Say, hypothetically, if one person has an insurance body and gets their blood sucked by a bloodfiend. Will they be able to transfer their brain into that body to avoid getting turned into a bloodbag. If so, I can see a way to enact this vampire love story if someone is rich and determined enough
@@imsillynotstupid he mentioned the whole emotion thing too. blood that's pulled from non-sentient creatures like animals or from bodies that basically don't have a brain just aren't as good. also, you'd first need to extract that brain from the now bloodbag, the brain which has probably been screwed up by the whole zombie thing.
I wonder... in this Canto, it is mentioned multiple times that being a Bloodfiend is akin to having an "illness". Is there like a literal virus that turns people into Bloodfiends or something?
@@wildfire_ The way I'm thinking of is: Get succed -> extract brain ASAP and transfer to backup body before you become a bloodbag. That way there's still the satisfaction from feeding on a body with emotions. I'm aware higher kindred turn you into one faster, but there might be hope as long as it's not immediate. That said, it relies on the fact that it's something that slowly spreads and not something that dooms your entire body from a single bite... Or becoming a bloodbag is something that affects the soul, cause going by pale damage that could be a thing
The issue with Limbus Company Dulcinea is that the character she was based on doesn’t exist. Book Dulcinea was a perfect woman made up by Don Quixote to do heroics in the name of. Limbus Company at least tried an interesting direction, have their version of Dulcinea fall into bitterness at being a doll to admire. But there was only so much Limbus Company could do when pulling from a non-character like book Dulcinea.
mmm, iirc dulcinea is an actual woman donqui saw, but he just started hallucinating he actually knows her and actually has a damsel and knight relationship.
@@Mikairium Not quite, the idea of Dulcinea del Toboso existed already in Don Quijote's head before he even saw Aldonza, which is who later Sancho says is Dulcinea, to trick Don Quijote into the idea that some enchanter's /mages had transformed Dulcinea into a farmhand woman. Dulcinea per se has never existed as a physical character, it's just Don Quijote's imagination, cause every knight must have a damsel to protect (at least in Novelas de Caballerías, which is the og genre of of these kinds of novels in Spain).
the only true misfortune was him having to end it that turn because of wildhunt's counter instead of stalling it camille's suffering as long as possible.
I'm still fucking crying about how Sancho refers to the LCB crew when Dad Quijote is dying on her lap "In this adventure, I have been blessed with a family of 12" The growing familiarity between the gang and the contrast with how Sancho kept telling Dad Quijote that she didn't want to father any Kindred of her own And yet there she is, adventuring happily with a wonderful family of 12 dumbasses, who care for her even when she believes herself Alone and Detatched for most of her Reawakening. I love this so much, like Holy Shit Sancho... She is such a Creatura, like - pardon the switch to spanish - La muy hija de su padre es incapaz de aceptar no solo la realidad de que es amada, sino que lo dejecta por todo el Canto como si de un pan mohoso se tratara. Es tan estupida y tan, UOOOOOOOGH, no puedo con mi vida. Mis rodillas tiemblan ante esa ultima secuencia, Project Peak frfr
Sancho, even though the whole reason she became a Kindred was to escape that cold loneliness, was never really able to let down her walls to bond with her fellow Kindreds. It wasn’t until she lost her memories, became Don Quixote, gained a dream and joined Lcb that she was able to connect with people, and that is just so sweet to me
Book pm players either be having the best experience when playing cantos or the worst experience when playing cantos. It all boils down to whenever it integrates the book well, Fortunately I am the former.
@@Kofhiliphus Yeah i thought this canto did a decent job of adapting the book's themes, though im still of the mind that it did miss out on capitalizing on cool side characters which the book was really good about since it was a series of vignettes and how important their stories are when contrasted against the insane quest of Don Quixote. This isnt to disparage how PJM adapted the book, though OG Don discovering a lust for life thanks to a human errs too close to Castlevania Dracula for my liking, instead of him self-initiating with his books (those this is used for Our Don when she was trapped in the lighthouse so it does get a pass)
Remember that they theorised feeding on blood was an emotional, not physical, experience for Bloodfiends during Murder on the W Express. The Hemobars don't work because they might have all the physical 'requirements' for a Bloodfiend, but they have none of the emotional.
most likely not even a theory, as distortion detective proves that a person who isn't aware they are a bloodfiend has absolutely zero need for blood, alongside lacking the fear of filial impiety
Not to mention we have the case of Sancho and Don Quixote themselves, who didn't have any problems with the hemobars because they earnestly believed in the dream @@ParadoxEd1123
@@ParadoxEd1123 Those secret Bloodfiends may have been getting the emotional fulfillment they needed by acting as Fixers: I'm sure they would have regressed if they were stuck in an office job. Though, the fact that they don't know that they're Bloodfiends probably helps, because they don't mentally associate blood (or hemobars) with fulfillment. Eating hemobars is like eating sawdust, not providing the actual nutrition Bloodfiends need and only serving to temporarily fill a hunger pang, but because Don Quixote and Sancho were already getting the emotional "nutrition" they needed they didn't notice that the hemobars were doing nothing.
It's like being fed a good meal made with care versus protein bars, water and some nutritious goop. The ladder can sustain you just as much but it's just _not_ the same
1:05:10 "You can hold on space" BUT WHY WOULD YOU! GALLOP WITH THE POWER OF YOUR FINGERS!! Unless you're on low end device i guess, like i don't know phones... hmm.
It may have that benefit, but I don't think Don is in a position where she even "needs" blood anymore, or at least not as she is. Both because of Rocinante and because Don has the void that is her emotional loneliness (Common to all Bloodfiends), filled via the rest of the crew. So long as they have conviction and purpose, I'm pretty sure Bloodfiends don't feel the thirst.
canonically none of the Sinners saw that PEAK of an ending figth scene and when Don cries since Dante was too distracted from watching it instead of reviving the sinners.
1:05:10 Contrary to a lot of misinformation, no, you cannot in fact hold down space. At most the third QTE fills by itself up to an extent (to match up with the music), but if you hold the button or not click it at all it will pause.
It's really a crazy good(and luckily, harmless) demonstration of how easily misinfo can spread. Even Esgoo just ate it up without verifying it himself.
@@obblivionkr I mean to be fair it is at the end of a 30~ min fight. Not supervising people just assumed that the person who said it was speaking the truth and everyone just got caught a in the hype of the moment and spam clicked
@@enider oh I wasn't blaming anyone in particular, I just thought it was interesting how quickly and easily misinfo spread. This was the first comment I saw debunking it.
Well that just isn't true is it. You can hold space in the first one. The second one you can't. Third one fills by itself. Or at least this was the way for me, in fact it was probably a bug that was already fixed too, considering your comment is from 2 weeks ago.
I think Hong Lu's comment about who the dreamer is was more of a reference to Zhuangzi's dream of being a butterfly, then musing when he woke, whether he was Zhuangzi who dreamt he were a butterfly or a butterfly who was now dreaming it was Zhuangzi. In dream of the red chamber the jade stone's incarnation (who I understand to be Hong Lu) reads the work of Zhuangzi so it makes sense.
a less talked about part that I love about canto 7 is about how they improved both don (obviously) but also sinclair as characters. seeing the shy traumatizing boy finally showing the bravery everyone wants to see from him, with the big pep talk scene being the biggest example of it as for the canto as a whole, I loved it, it was both a real fun time, especially when sanson is around, and it also got me emotionally choked up, which only really happened with canto 5 in limbus I'm not sure if it dethroned canto 5 for me yet, but maybe I need it to simmer in a tiny bit more
i'm pinning it on recency bias for now but it was a solid chapter. i enjoyed the whole thematic discussion it had about wether it's better to live in wilfull ignorance instead of misery, but I don't think it trumps canto 5's moral of finding your own dream.
And also because we started with them literally killing each other, the massive amount of development from canto 0 to now makes all the cheesiness feel *earned*
1:11:52 I can actually explain this one by taking a page from the actual book she comes from: dulcinea, at least in the book, is implied to not even be real, just a figment in a delusional man's imagination to give him justification for his actions. Dulcinea is only ever mentioned in name and vague descriptions of beauty, and the only one who ever talks about her is Quixote himself. A lot of productions and adaptations completely miss the point of dulcinea's character simply by making her exist, and her limbus iteration is barely a character because she doesn't want to be on the pedestal that other iterations of the story of Don Quixote tend to do. Tl,Dr: she's barely a character cuz, in limbus, she's tired of being a character, and, in Don Quixote, that's the point of her (nonexistent) character. (Note, I have not read the book, this is simply a lot of what I've gathered from discussion about her. I very well could be wrong)
From what I remember, she does exist. HOWEVER, he literally picked a random village girl, called her Dulcinea to give his honor too, and never actually met/interreacted with her the entire story. A perfect ID for Rodion, someone so non important it could literally be anyone else in line with her other ids.
@mightythorn2347 thanks for the clarification, bud! the point still stands tho, just for a different reason. Still love that fourth wall crack where limbus dulcineas entire character is "I'm fkin tired of being put on a pedestal, can y'all just not?"
I can't believe the absolute peak storytelling in the reveal that Don of all Sinners was originally the side character, compelled to realise that her own story is worth telling too.
Seriously though, I watched Canto VII Part 1 Highlights, and it never failed to make me laugh whenever I heard you do it. Thanks for bringing some joy!
54:40 actually base Don is disabled, you are using an ID there since she wouldn't have the boots on otherwise. When Don Quixote does the big blood bubble attack the ID falls off so she switches back to Sancho.
ESGOOOO!! (LET’S GOOOO!!) Edit: I also just realized that the ending to Don’s fight with the cardboard cutout and First Don’s fight with Bari end the exact same way. Took me this video to actually notice.
@@AlphaAceEX I know. I just didn’t remember the fight. It took me watching this and seeing the fight with “The Knight of the Moon White Moon” again to finally see it.
I don't know if ESGOO returns to this point brought up in 3:00 but Don Quixote (original)'s children are Sancho and Dulcinea, and I believe Nicolina and Curiambro (Barber and Priest) are Dulcinea's children. Sancho did not have children of her own.
Tbh when I saw the backstabbing of the fanghunt my first thought was that it was Camille and Paula who then ran ahead only for them to get got by the ego later
Ishmael’s story was so unbelievably relatable and important to me that i thought nothing would ever beat canto v but canto vii worked so perfectly for me that it’s by far my favorite chapter and Don is now my favorite sinner
And so, with his own reflection dead, Esgoo was free to stream without guilt of what he is. Free to fall further and further into the streamer life until the day he and that reflection he once had become indistinguishable.
As much as I got excitedly impatient trying to wait a week between each canto part, I’m so glad there is that delay to experience and gather thoughts on each part separately and not have to digest all of it at once when analyzing. Part 1 made me hyped and intrigued, Part 2 made me laugh and worry, and Part 3 made me feel warm but also a bit heartbroken and tearing up like a bitch (just like basically all the other sinners at the end of their Cantos so far, I seriously want to give Don a big hug).
Same. They made fights actually challenging for the first time since canto 3. (and even then the fights were hard only because of me being underleveled.)
Dulcinea's hopeless "carried by the parade" vibe, the way it seems like she lost her identity as anything but the pretty set piece of the parade, her relationship with our Don, and her quiet hatred made her a very fascinating character. I get if you prefer the Heathcliff? fight because he has a very different tone as a character (and also has more plot relevance), but she was a lot more unique for me. Whether you like Dulcinea or not is an opinion but she undeniably has a character, and a pretty unique one at that. Personally, I thought that the first two parts blew Canto 6 away, with Sanson moments, the attack animations, Jia Xichun, the Barber, the music, the backgrounds, and way too much other stuff to list here that is just a lot more memorable than the beginning of Canto 6. Maybe its just me, but apart from things like Little Sir Squirrel, Heathcliff?, the setting, the general tone of the Canto, and of course the plot (which is amazing but so is Canto 7's), Canto 6 was less engaging than 7's. Though I don't really get why you like the first parts of Canto 6 that much, so I guess it's just taste. Except for Dulcinea though. She is objectively hot... uhhh i mean interesting
i think the preference between canto 6 or 7 depends on the person. canto 6 is more story and theme driven, while 7 has that 'anime-esqe' kinda feeling.
Personally Canto 7 was my favorite, clearing even Canto 6. (Which I didn't know would even be possible) Don has been my favorite since the beginning of the game and I think that emotional attachment to the character made all of the stuff that happened to Sancho and Dad Quixote hit even harder for me, especially at the end.
Same here, I'm a sucker for the found family trope and this was very much a huge theme for this Canto. Canto 6 had the most hype moments on average but Canto 7 had the emotional gut punch that I haven't felt in the other Canto's. Was literally sobbing
I think the big issue is the fact that there are too many unbreakable coins If they were used more sporadically in certain fights, it would be fine. But especially in the final boss second phase, they put a lot of attacks which are full of unbreakable coins and that's super awful. Unbreakable coins are often used otherwise in places which would have an unclashable otherwise... Which makes it feel like constant unclashable attacks
To be fair, Esgoo, Dulcinea isn’t a character within the book either. She is simply a fantasy of a beautiful maiden, a lady in waiting, a god to knights. This fantasy is laid over a common maiden and is never met by Sancho or Don Quixote. What’s interesting to me is that they seemed to really focus on the fact that Sancho was always the one sent to contact Dulcinea, but was always mislaid by the Priest or other trickery. Which reflects nicely in why she hated Sancho in PM. She hated Sancho because they didn’t have a dream, she herself symbolizes the ideal dream for knights, for men, for those with drive. So the apathetic Sancho simply pisses her off for existing as a listless puppet by her father’s side.
Dulcinea is the first character in Limbus Company I found I only really appreciated once I understood the connection between her and the literary inspiration. I think the execution, given the context of what I now know about the original Don Quixote work, is very interesting and cool. However, I don't think she stands very well on her own. The Priest is a tragic and sympathetic character, and the barber is at least somewhat entertaining. Dulcinea has plenty going on, but it's more or less all subtext. I think it's good subtext, but I think her not being engaging enough on her own merit is worthy of criticism. After all, every canto thus far has stood on its own without relying on the reader's knowledge of the works they took inspiration from.
I wonder if Camille and Paula were after Cesara’s good friend/relative. Zwei Sinclair bears similarities to Paula and he was sent on his mission to protect a child, so maybe that’s what Paula was doing?
Who is zwei ishmal then I saw one theory that mersult was wrong about paula being dead and it was another zwei would explain why we get 2 zwei identity’s
@@azeria1 Given that she's a Standard Fare ID, probably just a random, ordinary Zwei West Fixer. So far absolutely none of the Standard Fare IDs have been at all relevant to the story, just stock examples of their respective offscreen faction. Cinqsault and Zwestclair are an exception solely because they're directly based on Camille and Paula - they're more akin to past seasonal IDs like the Rosespanners.
A couple of notes I've got, if you will. -I *think*, based off of Zwei Sinclair (The Good One)'s uptie story, the fixers that betrayed the Fanghunts mighta been Paula and streamerboy. Less an active betrayal, more letting the line break. I could be completely wrong, too. -I agree with the rating of the canto below 6. For one, 6 set the bar real high, but also I felt like the main meat of the canto didn't hit as hard. The dungeon made up for it, but the non-dungeon was a touch lacking. -I absolutely didn't realize you could hold space either.
1:11:30 I think that what it boils down to is that most part 2 bosses have some "cinematic" (for lack of a better term) quality that makes them stand out from just their gameplay. Dongbaek was the first character in Limbus Company to manifest her own E.G.O and changed the landscape you fight on, while soft-then-intense piano music plays in the background. Being the first of the "part 2 boss" achetype certainly helps. Ricardo being the first true showing of the infamously insane middle finger syndicate made him immediately appealing, and add onto that him kicking the sinners' asses, the mid-battle cutscene, the amazing ost, and the fact that we don't even fully deplete his healthbar, and it just goes without saying. Heathcliff? (or "Mirror Heathcliff" as I like to call him) was a massive reveal in the story and the fight makes that clear. He had intense orchestral music to go along with his fight, he had that extended beat-down from sinner Heathcliff, he had the memetic "every cathy... was destined to be miserable... due to Heathcliff", line at the end of the fight, and was essentially the catalyst for the game's first sinner distortion, and he's essentially the entire reason the "man, what a canto," "that was only part 2" meme exists in the community. His reappearance in part 3 with that famous final boss at the end only helped. Dulcinea, on the other hand, really only has her connection with the focus sinner, her difficult fight, and her music going for her... which are traits most of the part 2 bosses already have. And unlike the other part 2 bosses, she doesn't even have a combat cutscene, making her stand out less. I guess you could say the fact that she's a second kindred makes her stand out a bit compared to the other bosses...? But other than that, she doesn't really stand out. Or maybe I'm just being too harsh. Also, that Gone Angels cover was actually pretty good, even if you were off-time a bit! I wouldn't mind hearing an unironic cover of it.
Blood for Bloodfiends seems to exist more as a psychological/emotional need than a physical one. it's not a nutritional problem for them, but drinking blood from humans is what makes them happy, and being deprived of the chance to feed on humans directly is denying them that happiness. It's not so simple as saying "They don't need it," because they clearly do. Which I guess separates the difference between "Gluttony" and "Lust" here. They're not gluttons craving a food, they have a lust for something that fulfills them.
I think the reason big part of community disliked unbreakables was combination of all 3 - AOE, Bleed and, well, the unbreakable. I don't know how many people picked standard pass, but i did, and it's was much more annoying (because it gives +4/4 bleed/count at the combat start), and then proceeded to pick whip in confession (+10 bleed to highest %hp sinner at TURN START). For some that combo legit might have ruined the run and forced reset. (56 forced damage to one of your sinners, how interactive). It's much less annoying without those 2, especially since we also get small healing gift later in the dungeon. If PM just does combination of 2 out of 3 options, it'll be fine addition to the game.
Pretty spot on, I was underwhelmed with Part 1/2 aswell. And part 3 really pulled through. Maybe for a future stream/video ranking the individual parts of each chapter against each other. Part 2 of Ishmaels Canto is by far my favorite with epic story moments, fun times and great fights.
Fun fact, when Vergilius manifests his EGO in Leviathan he says “I shall spill blood and, at times, drink it, but I will never stop this movement.” Which is interesting if we dare go for the “Vergilius is a Bloodfiend who has experienced golconda” theory
Don't know if Vergilius is a Bloodfiend since by now you'd figure he'd have symptoms of the Thirst, but based on what we find out he said to Don, his eyes are of a First Kindred. Given that he is a Colour Fixer though, it's not impossible he killed one and had the eyes surgically implanted for whatever reason.
@Even Don Quixote and Sancho didn’t show signs of desiring blood, so it could possibly be that Bari, by giving them an opportunity to achieve something other than living in isolation, cured their thirst for blood by giving them a dream to live for
@@Quantum1244 Yea, but Vergilius lost most of his purpose thanks to The Ring. He managed to avoid distortion, and Limbus Company arguably gave him a new focus, but Vergilius seems the furthest thing from having overcome loneliness by the time of the game, in fact he's deliberately trying not to get close to anyone else.
@ his whole new purpose is to help Limbus Company to get what he wants from the deal, which is the promise of being able to bring back Garnet and restore Lapis’s memories
Same for me, Canto 7 was amazing but Canto 6 was just on another level, every character there felt really impactful and memorable, and the extra help we received from somebody really special in the later part of Canto 6 was just the cherry on top.
Aw, I was really expecting to see the scene of Don Quixote quoting(?) the book, saying like, "Look at me, Sancho" during the panning shot or like, Don Quixote calling Sancho as Don Quixote for real this time after she beats him. Personally, I found those to be some of the more impactful moments.
Unbreakable coins are the best addition to gameplay since the id revamp, can't wait for rupture/tremor to stagger sinners in a future canto. Sinking unbreakable coins will breathe new life into potential man.
for the Verg's eye part, i heard some said those are prosthetics, so the part where he said "the eyes that hold the blood of a higher generation than your own" might be very literal.
Reminder that one of his passives in 6-41 was "Eyes of a Friend that ■■■■". Assuming the length of the empty space is any indication... well, "died" would fit snugly there, wouldn't it? And it could explain why he expects Sancho to instinctively recognize his eyes as those of a First Kindred...
1:10:24 FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE WHO THINKS THAT!!! I feel they were after something in lob corp, specifically an abnormality. The fact they got their hands on ego gifts and know what they do (not really how to use it properly) makes me think that. Also the fact they fucked off somewhere else…I still think Camille backstabbed Romero, don’t think any run of the mill fixer be able to leave after or atleast leave a lasting mark. We saw what happened to Hugo, and we don’t know how they were backstabbed. Also was so caught off guard Romero was able to stay concious after Dulcinea, ig he wasn’t turned to a bloodbag but a bloodfiend instead? That was pretty cool till Sanson just killed him, had the balls to attack a higher kindred too.
I really like how sancho and Mr. don quixote use unbreakable coins (would recommend doing the last fight sancho solo too for various reasons) since it lets the fight stand out more than just mindlessly rushing to stagger thresholds. - with dante’s skills making me question if the last one were gonna get will be angelica’s, lob protag, or … perhaps that ladys’. With the only gripe I can say with this canto being that cantos as a whole are meant to bring a spotlight to the character, with don liking to steal the spotlight since day 1. So by the time we got here I had already gotten use to tuning her out. But the last two fights made that up for me. Glad we got to fight the “windmill” too.
This Canto is most likely the most shonen anime that Limbus Company has ever gotten. Then again, Project Moon as a whole is a bunch of shonen anime BS, and we love it for that.
As someone who didn't enjoy Canto 6 as much as seemingly the majority, this is my new favorite canto since 5 hands down. Maybe I'm biased because Don has been my favorite character since I started, and Sancho's design is one of my favorites, but I honestly couldn't find much wrong with it (all the unanswered questions hopefully just weren't important, otherwise I might have to revisit my thoughts especially if that VIP is super important). The Dulcinea thing I agree she didn't have much character outside wanting to be the prettiest, but honestly that's an interesting spin on the original idea of the character. My biggest issues were that I feel Rocinante was not adequately explained, like what is it really? I'm assuming it's a construct Don Quixote made, but how did he give it the ability to stave off the hunger? Maybe I'm missing something, maybe it'll be explained later, really my biggest issue is the whole thing of bloodfiends being bad for drinking human blood, and all the themes related to that, meanwhile Don rides around on a bus that eats people for fuel. Feels a lot like double standards, and really would it be so bad for her to just take the shoes off and be a bloodfiend full time, if the people she drinks are the same people we feed to Mephistopheles? I mean this is more of an issue I have with early Limbus and the reason it took me a while to get into the story after Lob Corp and Ruina were so great, but I feel it really muddies the messages of this otherwise great story.
25:50 I forget where it was said, probably in Distortion Detective, but iirc the glowing red eyes some people in the city have (including Verg and potentially Ryoshu) are a result of a combat enhancement procedure. They don't go into details on how it works, just that red eyes are the result of it. With what Verg said there I guess the procedure is done using Bloodfiend blood. This would also explain why the Tingtang gangsters back in Canto 2 were interested in Don's eyes.
One wrinkle in this is that one of Verg's passives back in 6-41 was titled "Eyes of a Friend that ■■■■". With this new information, I feel very confident in saying that the four-letter blank word there is "died" and the eyes are literally transplanted from someone, presumably a First Kindred Bloodfiend. The "how" and "why" remain a mystery at present, though.
I really do like unbreakable coins because I have to do more than spam win rate because they are just IN YOUR FACE, and you either have to face tank then, heal them up or evade them. You either turn your brain off and suffer the consequences, or put in more effort to get through safely. And I really like that.
Yes this is James Bloodfiend. But remember that above him is X, who basically is the Queen of England of Bloodfiends. I would have said the "M" of Bloodfiends, but that would imply that the Queen of England is higher than ALL other bloodfiends.
[38:43] "What's the most brutal E.G.O in the game?" *Somehow decides that Overclocking La Sunyata is the answer.* Honestly, if you wanted to go with a brutal death, I would have chosen Everlasting's Awakening, AEDD's Corrosion, Cavernous Wailing's Corrosion, or either version of Hex Nail.
I think what damien's crew are talking about with the star thing is "heaven" from Paradiso. In which heaven is basically space and if you're hily enough you become a fixed star
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What i love as a small detail of Don's ego, It's the dolls that she holds in her hands. The dolls are fighting, colored red and blue. Representations of Bari and og Don Quixote.
YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME.
PM CANNOT STOP COOKING PEAK
SO CUTE OMGGG
Yay! Mama and papa are fighting again!
@@haghandlerLMFAO
Canto endings are a coin flip between "Goddamit Demian" or "Goddammit Hermann"
"I already told you Demian, I am NOT drawing your sheep OC! I don't even know how to draw!"
@@edgieststalker8141 Dante forgot how to draw and about Demian's commission this is so sad
Demian and Hermann's groups convening every few months to debate who gets the after credit scene
"You can hold space."
Only cowards don't aggresively tap the screen or mash space.
My brother in Christ I didn't know that at the time, so I literally went to the play store and downloaded an auto clicker to deal with that
@@kiwinosaur5441 coward
Break the spaceboard or bust
@@kiwinosaur5441you can tap with multiple fingers you know
@@kiwinosaur5441 If it helps, mechanics like this actively fight you to keep tension and have the sequence last as long as it needs to. IIRC you straight up cannot lose the QTEs at the end of the fight in Limbus's case even, and after a while it becomes incredibly easy to win
I see that both the criticism of Dulcinea in this video as well as a lot of comments defending it lacks serious context from the source material (the book).
Dulcinea is really just a name in the book, but to say PM tried their best characterizing her is like saying PM did not understand the book. The reason source Dulcinea did not has any character is because she is the satirical representation of how old chilvary novels often objectify woman, viewing them as a names to save and not actual humans.
PM Dulcinea is more of a interpretation to fit the context of the amusements park of the game and very much not a failed attempt at giving character to the source, as her lack of character is very much intentional like the source. She is the face of the parade but the parade is never-ending so people only know her as that and not as herself. She lost her identity being associated to the parade much like how source Dulcinea lost her identity being associated as a damsel in distress. The hate that boiled inside her when we met her is a interpreted logical continuation of that, like everything else in this canto, as she is now too tired of Don’s bullcrap and stop trying to show her character for everyone to see.
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Her fight is indeed a slog though.
Man, is literally everything in this game perfectly crafted to have a point in being the way it is? It never fails to amaze me
Not to mention the comments about how Sancho always looked at her as if she was a lesser, even when they were "equal", which may be a reference to how she was just set dressing in the novel and that compared to Don Quixote, a land owner, probably didn't give a hoot about her beside her role in his delusions since she was just a peasant. Or in this case, Sancho, someone who was just as much set dressing as her, looking down at her just because her because he was a Don Quixote's squire instead of a background character.
35:07 For those wondering as to the answer to his question, its stated in bloodfiend gregor story. Hemobars managed to sate their physical needs but they simply cannot experience true joy without human blood straight from the vein. Which, unfortunately, also will turn the human if they aren't outright killed by it. Which is of course why you can never have dulcinia or the barber enact a standard vampire love story, beyond the fact I called dibs. We saw a little bit of this in the Warp Train event, where casseti was able to kill people despite the warp train's normal immortality glitch. They don't just need food, they need the emotions that make you human.
Say, hypothetically, if one person has an insurance body and gets their blood sucked by a bloodfiend. Will they be able to transfer their brain into that body to avoid getting turned into a bloodbag. If so, I can see a way to enact this vampire love story if someone is rich and determined enough
@@imsillynotstupid he mentioned the whole emotion thing too. blood that's pulled from non-sentient creatures like animals or from bodies that basically don't have a brain just aren't as good. also, you'd first need to extract that brain from the now bloodbag, the brain which has probably been screwed up by the whole zombie thing.
I wonder... in this Canto, it is mentioned multiple times that being a Bloodfiend is akin to having an "illness". Is there like a literal virus that turns people into Bloodfiends or something?
@@wildfire_ The way I'm thinking of is: Get succed -> extract brain ASAP and transfer to backup body before you become a bloodbag. That way there's still the satisfaction from feeding on a body with emotions. I'm aware higher kindred turn you into one faster, but there might be hope as long as it's not immediate.
That said, it relies on the fact that it's something that slowly spreads and not something that dooms your entire body from a single bite... Or becoming a bloodbag is something that affects the soul, cause going by pale damage that could be a thing
@@imsillynotstupid
>Died in Canto VII part 3
>Born a week after
Welcome back, Don Quixote’s impossible dream
The issue with Limbus Company Dulcinea is that the character she was based on doesn’t exist. Book Dulcinea was a perfect woman made up by Don Quixote to do heroics in the name of.
Limbus Company at least tried an interesting direction, have their version of Dulcinea fall into bitterness at being a doll to admire. But there was only so much Limbus Company could do when pulling from a non-character like book Dulcinea.
mmm, iirc dulcinea is an actual woman donqui saw, but he just started hallucinating he actually knows her and actually has a damsel and knight relationship.
@@Mikairium Not quite, the idea of Dulcinea del Toboso existed already in Don Quijote's head before he even saw Aldonza, which is who later Sancho says is Dulcinea, to trick Don Quijote into the idea that some enchanter's /mages had transformed Dulcinea into a farmhand woman.
Dulcinea per se has never existed as a physical character, it's just Don Quijote's imagination, cause every knight must have a damsel to protect (at least in Novelas de Caballerías, which is the og genre of of these kinds of novels in Spain).
What talk about me not existing….?
@@Princess_Of_The_Parade Oh hey, Dulcinea found me. I think I’m about to get conscripted into the eternal parade.
ESGOO Overclocking EGO just to finish off Camille is peak cinema.
the only true misfortune was him having to end it that turn because of wildhunt's counter instead of stalling it camille's suffering as long as possible.
I'm still fucking crying about how Sancho refers to the LCB crew when Dad Quijote is dying on her lap "In this adventure, I have been blessed with a family of 12"
The growing familiarity between the gang and the contrast with how Sancho kept telling Dad Quijote that she didn't want to father any Kindred of her own
And yet there she is, adventuring happily with a wonderful family of 12 dumbasses, who care for her even when she believes herself Alone and Detatched for most of her Reawakening.
I love this so much, like Holy Shit Sancho... She is such a Creatura, like - pardon the switch to spanish - La muy hija de su padre es incapaz de aceptar no solo la realidad de que es amada, sino que lo dejecta por todo el Canto como si de un pan mohoso se tratara.
Es tan estupida y tan, UOOOOOOOGH, no puedo con mi vida. Mis rodillas tiemblan ante esa ultima secuencia, Project Peak frfr
Sancho, even though the whole reason she became a Kindred was to escape that cold loneliness, was never really able to let down her walls to bond with her fellow Kindreds. It wasn’t until she lost her memories, became Don Quixote, gained a dream and joined Lcb that she was able to connect with people, and that is just so sweet to me
Bro got hit with the tower of Babel curse
Don Quijote 💀
I'm still a little miffed she excluded Vergillius and Charon in that family of her's
It's so peak mf switch language mid explanation
It's always nice to hear the theories of someone in the middle of the canto and being able to see whether the theories were accurate
Book pm players either be having the best experience when playing cantos or the worst experience when playing cantos.
It all boils down to whenever it integrates the book well, Fortunately I am the former.
@@Kofhiliphus Yeah i thought this canto did a decent job of adapting the book's themes, though im still of the mind that it did miss out on capitalizing on cool side characters which the book was really good about since it was a series of vignettes and how important their stories are when contrasted against the insane quest of Don Quixote. This isnt to disparage how PJM adapted the book, though OG Don discovering a lust for life thanks to a human errs too close to Castlevania Dracula for my liking, instead of him self-initiating with his books (those this is used for Our Don when she was trapped in the lighthouse so it does get a pass)
@@Tojeaux_ I mean they could still do the other side characters in part 2 of Don's story
@@stuckerfan2563Whereby Triumphant Fixer Don Quixote Unearths a Most Fantastic Title from Project Moon
@@Tojeaux_ I feel like this is like an after story where we see the effects of this world's version of Don Quixote and the damage his Lunacy caused.
uploading when it's maintenance... Another masterful gambit!
How does he always do this?
@@mikeron3170 he waits for thursday
He has conceived an idea most ingenious
Amazing gambit, executive manager!
outis ahh coment
Remember that they theorised feeding on blood was an emotional, not physical, experience for Bloodfiends during Murder on the W Express. The Hemobars don't work because they might have all the physical 'requirements' for a Bloodfiend, but they have none of the emotional.
most likely not even a theory, as distortion detective proves that a person who isn't aware they are a bloodfiend has absolutely zero need for blood, alongside lacking the fear of filial impiety
Not to mention we have the case of Sancho and Don Quixote themselves, who didn't have any problems with the hemobars because they earnestly believed in the dream @@ParadoxEd1123
so the real cure to bloodfiendness is literally just "oblivion".
@@ParadoxEd1123 Those secret Bloodfiends may have been getting the emotional fulfillment they needed by acting as Fixers: I'm sure they would have regressed if they were stuck in an office job. Though, the fact that they don't know that they're Bloodfiends probably helps, because they don't mentally associate blood (or hemobars) with fulfillment. Eating hemobars is like eating sawdust, not providing the actual nutrition Bloodfiends need and only serving to temporarily fill a hunger pang, but because Don Quixote and Sancho were already getting the emotional "nutrition" they needed they didn't notice that the hemobars were doing nothing.
It's like being fed a good meal made with care versus protein bars, water and some nutritious goop. The ladder can sustain you just as much but it's just _not_ the same
1:05:10 "You can hold on space"
BUT WHY WOULD YOU! GALLOP WITH THE POWER OF YOUR FINGERS!!
Unless you're on low end device i guess, like i don't know phones... hmm.
iirc Phones are labeled as "Tap" not "Hold" so....
GALLOP, ONWARDS!!!
Phones can't hold, you have to tap
Do you not have phones?
@@TewbBelrog why someone will play on phone if he got pc
@@wackymulter some phones better than they pc doi
The lore of don quixote's downfall and la manchaland's destruction is because the original don quixote fed fucking soylent to vampires
I'm sorry he fed WHAT
soylent red is animals
12:38 Regarding Don’s need for blood, please keep in mind her E.G.O, it’s a hardblood weapon that heals her so it likely drinks the blood for her.
I mean... Since don always ended up fighting with the bus gang throughout their journey, I'm sure blood thirst wont be an issue for now
i mean... that's if i use it
It may have that benefit, but I don't think Don is in a position where she even "needs" blood anymore, or at least not as she is.
Both because of Rocinante and because Don has the void that is her emotional loneliness (Common to all Bloodfiends), filled via the rest of the crew. So long as they have conviction and purpose, I'm pretty sure Bloodfiends don't feel the thirst.
As stated in distortion detective, bloodfiends who aren't even aware they are one don't need blood, as it's more of a psychological thing
@@qazisgone7292 Really, I haven’t really read much of DD but that does make sense to an extent.
ESGOO ending the video with a cliffhanger of a teaser of his cover of Gone Angels is truly an excellent move.
Chat, Esgoo reported camille 736 times and now hes banned, can we get an F please?
F
canonically none of the Sinners saw that PEAK of an ending figth scene and when Don cries since Dante was too distracted from watching it instead of reviving the sinners.
Id like to imagine that one of them survived at least if you have reserve only to cough at him to revive the rest lol
@ it was made pretty clear that EVERYONE got wiped by Daddy Quixotems sanguine slash
1:05:10 Contrary to a lot of misinformation, no, you cannot in fact hold down space. At most the third QTE fills by itself up to an extent (to match up with the music), but if you hold the button or not click it at all it will pause.
It's really a crazy good(and luckily, harmless) demonstration of how easily misinfo can spread. Even Esgoo just ate it up without verifying it himself.
@@obblivionkr I mean to be fair it is at the end of a 30~ min fight. Not supervising people just assumed that the person who said it was speaking the truth and everyone just got caught a in the hype of the moment and spam clicked
@@enider oh I wasn't blaming anyone in particular, I just thought it was interesting how quickly and easily misinfo spread. This was the first comment I saw debunking it.
Well that just isn't true is it.
You can hold space in the first one.
The second one you can't.
Third one fills by itself.
Or at least this was the way for me, in fact it was probably a bug that was already fixed too, considering your comment is from 2 weeks ago.
I think Hong Lu's comment about who the dreamer is was more of a reference to Zhuangzi's dream of being a butterfly, then musing when he woke, whether he was Zhuangzi who dreamt he were a butterfly or a butterfly who was now dreaming it was Zhuangzi. In dream of the red chamber the jade stone's incarnation (who I understand to be Hong Lu) reads the work of Zhuangzi so it makes sense.
a less talked about part that I love about canto 7 is about how they improved both don (obviously) but also sinclair as characters.
seeing the shy traumatizing boy finally showing the bravery everyone wants to see from him, with the big pep talk scene being the biggest example of it
as for the canto as a whole, I loved it, it was both a real fun time, especially when sanson is around, and it also got me emotionally choked up, which only really happened with canto 5 in limbus
I'm not sure if it dethroned canto 5 for me yet, but maybe I need it to simmer in a tiny bit more
i'm pinning it on recency bias for now but it was a solid chapter. i enjoyed the whole thematic discussion it had about wether it's better to live in wilfull ignorance instead of misery, but I don't think it trumps canto 5's moral of finding your own dream.
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The reason why it works is because the sinners already have enough time to get to know each other and care for one another
And also because we started with them literally killing each other, the massive amount of development from canto 0 to now makes all the cheesiness feel *earned*
1:11:52 I can actually explain this one by taking a page from the actual book she comes from: dulcinea, at least in the book, is implied to not even be real, just a figment in a delusional man's imagination to give him justification for his actions. Dulcinea is only ever mentioned in name and vague descriptions of beauty, and the only one who ever talks about her is Quixote himself. A lot of productions and adaptations completely miss the point of dulcinea's character simply by making her exist, and her limbus iteration is barely a character because she doesn't want to be on the pedestal that other iterations of the story of Don Quixote tend to do.
Tl,Dr: she's barely a character cuz, in limbus, she's tired of being a character, and, in Don Quixote, that's the point of her (nonexistent) character.
(Note, I have not read the book, this is simply a lot of what I've gathered from discussion about her. I very well could be wrong)
From what I remember, she does exist. HOWEVER, he literally picked a random village girl, called her Dulcinea to give his honor too, and never actually met/interreacted with her the entire story. A perfect ID for Rodion, someone so non important it could literally be anyone else in line with her other ids.
@mightythorn2347 thanks for the clarification, bud! the point still stands tho, just for a different reason.
Still love that fourth wall crack where limbus dulcineas entire character is "I'm fkin tired of being put on a pedestal, can y'all just not?"
I can't believe the absolute peak storytelling in the reveal that Don of all Sinners was originally the side character, compelled to realise that her own story is worth telling too.
"I'm not doing the bit again."
My day, ruined, my crops, withering, my hopes and dreams, dashed, befitting of "The Dream Ending" I suppose
Seriously though, I watched Canto VII Part 1 Highlights, and it never failed to make me laugh whenever I heard you do it. Thanks for bringing some joy!
You do not understand how long I've waited Esgoo... (Tow Weeks)
What’s being towed?
@@bloodbrothers6556 The weeks
@@bloodbrothers6556 The weeks
@@bloodbrothers6556 Weeks
@@bloodbrothers6556Weeks
ESGOO please make a Rupture video so PM will release the Rupture souls from captivity we need it.
YOU FOOL, PM HATES ALL OF 9 RUPTURE USER. That is why they will never able to get count positive outside of talisman and MD.
HONESTLY TRUE
YALL ACT LIKE YOU CANT BREAK BOSSES SPINES WITH SETUP, My brother in christ burn is STARVING
@@2_In_A_KrillionBurn and Rupture are PM’s unloved children
@@2_In_A_Krillion Probably, HongLu's chapter will be mostly burn, and I'd like that
I love this. Theory crafting without constant spoiling and :)ing. No backseating either. This must be heaven. La Esgooland.
One mans dread is another mans pleasure, maintenance is your gift as it is a curse to us.
Brilliant Esgoo
I like how the lust peccatula resemble Kromer the bigger they are
The lust peccatula are so gross and off putting it’s great. Also their observation logs add even more ew factor
54:40 actually base Don is disabled, you are using an ID there since she wouldn't have the boots on otherwise. When Don Quixote does the big blood bubble attack the ID falls off so she switches back to Sancho.
I did not expect esgoo to make THAT noise killing camille.
17:19 He didn't even notice that JI Xichun had been Wild Hunted the turn before lol
ESGOOOO!! (LET’S GOOOO!!)
Edit: I also just realized that the ending to Don’s fight with the cardboard cutout and First Don’s fight with Bari end the exact same way. Took me this video to actually notice.
Well its dons story as sancho and the blue guy remembered it.they just recreating it
@@AlphaAceEX I know. I just didn’t remember the fight. It took me watching this and seeing the fight with “The Knight of the Moon White Moon” again to finally see it.
I also like how Sancho hypes Up the real Don, saying that he could've won.
Also,during the final duel, sancho drags her lance across the ground the same way don quixote did in the bari duel
Oh that's... that's a Camille snuff film in the middle of my canto highlight video
I don't know if ESGOO returns to this point brought up in 3:00 but Don Quixote (original)'s children are Sancho and Dulcinea, and I believe Nicolina and Curiambro (Barber and Priest) are Dulcinea's children. Sancho did not have children of her own.
Tbh when I saw the backstabbing of the fanghunt my first thought was that it was Camille and Paula who then ran ahead only for them to get got by the ego later
It's absolutely insane how much character development Don got in Hong Lu's Canto.
Larry, draw me a sheep.
Ishmael’s story was so unbelievably relatable and important to me that i thought nothing would ever beat canto v but canto vii worked so perfectly for me that it’s by far my favorite chapter and Don is now my favorite sinner
And so, with his own reflection dead, Esgoo was free to stream without guilt of what he is. Free to fall further and further into the streamer life until the day he and that reflection he once had become indistinguishable.
35:30 the sadism in esgoo is shining once more
Scarier than her nail...
Fucker's turning into ahab
He is doing his best wildhunt heathcliff impression.
As much as I got excitedly impatient trying to wait a week between each canto part, I’m so glad there is that delay to experience and gather thoughts on each part separately and not have to digest all of it at once when analyzing.
Part 1 made me hyped and intrigued, Part 2 made me laugh and worry, and Part 3 made me feel warm but also a bit heartbroken and tearing up like a bitch (just like basically all the other sinners at the end of their Cantos so far, I seriously want to give Don a big hug).
It was very funny when ESGOO literally turned into Ring Yi-Sang the moment he was able to get his revenge on Camille.
If I saw Don Quixote, this beautiful man would conceive something different from an ingenious plan
I have conceived...
@ i bet you did zaddy
I cannot believe that famous Limbus Company youtuber ESGOO would KILL Streamer Camille like this
The fact that Sancho copies Bari's attacks is a rather nice touch
Why does everyone keep forgetting that Camille and Paula went by themselves and not into the 3rd area 😭
Can i consider myself one of 5% of people who really liked unbreakable coins...
I also like Unbreakable Coins as long as they lose most power and effects on Clash Lose.
Same. They made fights actually challenging for the first time since canto 3. (and even then the fights were hard only because of me being underleveled.)
Fellow Unbreakable Coin enjoyers. We love minor mechanical complexity
@@monochrome4937 Same! AoE can be a little problematic though. I think AoE should typically have far less unbreakable.
I found them fun as well even though the way they can force a stagger can be quite infuriating
Oh boy i sure do love "John Bloodfiend" from the dream ending
Dulcinea's hopeless "carried by the parade" vibe, the way it seems like she lost her identity as anything but the pretty set piece of the parade, her relationship with our Don, and her quiet hatred made her a very fascinating character. I get if you prefer the Heathcliff? fight because he has a very different tone as a character (and also has more plot relevance), but she was a lot more unique for me. Whether you like Dulcinea or not is an opinion but she undeniably has a character, and a pretty unique one at that.
Personally, I thought that the first two parts blew Canto 6 away, with Sanson moments, the attack animations, Jia Xichun, the Barber, the music, the backgrounds, and way too much other stuff to list here that is just a lot more memorable than the beginning of Canto 6. Maybe its just me, but apart from things like Little Sir Squirrel, Heathcliff?, the setting, the general tone of the Canto, and of course the plot (which is amazing but so is Canto 7's), Canto 6 was less engaging than 7's. Though I don't really get why you like the first parts of Canto 6 that much, so I guess it's just taste.
Except for Dulcinea though. She is objectively hot... uhhh i mean interesting
i think the preference between canto 6 or 7 depends on the person. canto 6 is more story and theme driven, while 7 has that 'anime-esqe' kinda feeling.
Personally Canto 7 was my favorite, clearing even Canto 6. (Which I didn't know would even be possible) Don has been my favorite since the beginning of the game and I think that emotional attachment to the character made all of the stuff that happened to Sancho and Dad Quixote hit even harder for me, especially at the end.
Same here, I'm a sucker for the found family trope and this was very much a huge theme for this Canto. Canto 6 had the most hype moments on average but Canto 7 had the emotional gut punch that I haven't felt in the other Canto's. Was literally sobbing
@@Artichoke0001 The "family of 12" line from Sancho near the end broke me so bad.. Made me cry so much
"most brutal ego in the game" and doesnt use Outis' Overclocked Dimension Shredder
He didn’t have it equipped 😔
The moment I saw Camille become an enemy
I immediately had a vision
56:50
Back in 2022, someone mentioned that there is a fourth 4th match flame E.G.O for Don, though it was later scrapped.
Should have used Dimension Shredder Outis Overclock on Camille
She literally would cut him in half and eat his remains
I think the big issue is the fact that there are too many unbreakable coins
If they were used more sporadically in certain fights, it would be fine. But especially in the final boss second phase, they put a lot of attacks which are full of unbreakable coins and that's super awful. Unbreakable coins are often used otherwise in places which would have an unclashable otherwise... Which makes it feel like constant unclashable attacks
Outis: Would you love me if I was a war criminal, Executive Manager?
To be fair, Esgoo, Dulcinea isn’t a character within the book either. She is simply a fantasy of a beautiful maiden, a lady in waiting, a god to knights. This fantasy is laid over a common maiden and is never met by Sancho or Don Quixote. What’s interesting to me is that they seemed to really focus on the fact that Sancho was always the one sent to contact Dulcinea, but was always mislaid by the Priest or other trickery.
Which reflects nicely in why she hated Sancho in PM. She hated Sancho because they didn’t have a dream, she herself symbolizes the ideal dream for knights, for men, for those with drive. So the apathetic Sancho simply pisses her off for existing as a listless puppet by her father’s side.
Dulcinea is the first character in Limbus Company I found I only really appreciated once I understood the connection between her and the literary inspiration.
I think the execution, given the context of what I now know about the original Don Quixote work, is very interesting and cool.
However, I don't think she stands very well on her own. The Priest is a tragic and sympathetic character, and the barber is at least somewhat entertaining. Dulcinea has plenty going on, but it's more or less all subtext. I think it's good subtext, but I think her not being engaging enough on her own merit is worthy of criticism. After all, every canto thus far has stood on its own without relying on the reader's knowledge of the works they took inspiration from.
I wonder if Camille and Paula were after Cesara’s good friend/relative. Zwei Sinclair bears similarities to Paula and he was sent on his mission to protect a child, so maybe that’s what Paula was doing?
Who is zwei ishmal then I saw one theory that mersult was wrong about paula being dead and it was another zwei would explain why we get 2 zwei identity’s
@@azeria1 Given that she's a Standard Fare ID, probably just a random, ordinary Zwei West Fixer. So far absolutely none of the Standard Fare IDs have been at all relevant to the story, just stock examples of their respective offscreen faction. Cinqsault and Zwestclair are an exception solely because they're directly based on Camille and Paula - they're more akin to past seasonal IDs like the Rosespanners.
32:10 "clam was kinda scary" i'd like to see you say that with a straight face while running this exact team lol
An idea most ingenious!
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Truly a master of viewmaxxing, art thou not Esgoo!
A couple of notes I've got, if you will.
-I *think*, based off of Zwei Sinclair (The Good One)'s uptie story, the fixers that betrayed the Fanghunts mighta been Paula and streamerboy. Less an active betrayal, more letting the line break. I could be completely wrong, too.
-I agree with the rating of the canto below 6. For one, 6 set the bar real high, but also I felt like the main meat of the canto didn't hit as hard. The dungeon made up for it, but the non-dungeon was a touch lacking.
-I absolutely didn't realize you could hold space either.
Break the spacebar... and be free....
"You hate him 'cause you're looking in a mirror."
and its even an hour long thanks for filling out an hour for me
1:11:30 I think that what it boils down to is that most part 2 bosses have some "cinematic" (for lack of a better term) quality that makes them stand out from just their gameplay.
Dongbaek was the first character in Limbus Company to manifest her own E.G.O and changed the landscape you fight on, while soft-then-intense piano music plays in the background. Being the first of the "part 2 boss" achetype certainly helps.
Ricardo being the first true showing of the infamously insane middle finger syndicate made him immediately appealing, and add onto that him kicking the sinners' asses, the mid-battle cutscene, the amazing ost, and the fact that we don't even fully deplete his healthbar, and it just goes without saying.
Heathcliff? (or "Mirror Heathcliff" as I like to call him) was a massive reveal in the story and the fight makes that clear. He had intense orchestral music to go along with his fight, he had that extended beat-down from sinner Heathcliff, he had the memetic "every cathy... was destined to be miserable... due to Heathcliff", line at the end of the fight, and was essentially the catalyst for the game's first sinner distortion, and he's essentially the entire reason the "man, what a canto," "that was only part 2" meme exists in the community. His reappearance in part 3 with that famous final boss at the end only helped.
Dulcinea, on the other hand, really only has her connection with the focus sinner, her difficult fight, and her music going for her... which are traits most of the part 2 bosses already have. And unlike the other part 2 bosses, she doesn't even have a combat cutscene, making her stand out less. I guess you could say the fact that she's a second kindred makes her stand out a bit compared to the other bosses...? But other than that, she doesn't really stand out. Or maybe I'm just being too harsh.
Also, that Gone Angels cover was actually pretty good, even if you were off-time a bit! I wouldn't mind hearing an unironic cover of it.
Blood for Bloodfiends seems to exist more as a psychological/emotional need than a physical one. it's not a nutritional problem for them, but drinking blood from humans is what makes them happy, and being deprived of the chance to feed on humans directly is denying them that happiness.
It's not so simple as saying "They don't need it," because they clearly do. Which I guess separates the difference between "Gluttony" and "Lust" here. They're not gluttons craving a food, they have a lust for something that fulfills them.
I think the reason big part of community disliked unbreakables was combination of all 3 - AOE, Bleed and, well, the unbreakable.
I don't know how many people picked standard pass, but i did, and it's was much more annoying (because it gives +4/4 bleed/count at the combat start), and then proceeded to pick whip in confession (+10 bleed to highest %hp sinner at TURN START). For some that combo legit might have ruined the run and forced reset. (56 forced damage to one of your sinners, how interactive).
It's much less annoying without those 2, especially since we also get small healing gift later in the dungeon.
If PM just does combination of 2 out of 3 options, it'll be fine addition to the game.
Canto 7 highlights it said...
Showed the entire canto he did.
So peak.
It's finally here! And during maintenance of all times. Thanks ESGOO!
Pretty spot on, I was underwhelmed with Part 1/2 aswell. And part 3 really pulled through.
Maybe for a future stream/video ranking the individual parts of each chapter against each other.
Part 2 of Ishmaels Canto is by far my favorite with epic story moments, fun times and great fights.
esgoo climaxing after killing camille
Fun fact, when Vergilius manifests his EGO in Leviathan he says “I shall spill blood and, at times, drink it, but I will never stop this movement.” Which is interesting if we dare go for the “Vergilius is a Bloodfiend who has experienced golconda” theory
Don't know if Vergilius is a Bloodfiend since by now you'd figure he'd have symptoms of the Thirst, but based on what we find out he said to Don, his eyes are of a First Kindred.
Given that he is a Colour Fixer though, it's not impossible he killed one and had the eyes surgically implanted for whatever reason.
@Even Don Quixote and Sancho didn’t show signs of desiring blood, so it could possibly be that Bari, by giving them an opportunity to achieve something other than living in isolation, cured their thirst for blood by giving them a dream to live for
@@Quantum1244 Yea, but Vergilius lost most of his purpose thanks to The Ring.
He managed to avoid distortion, and Limbus Company arguably gave him a new focus, but Vergilius seems the furthest thing from having overcome loneliness by the time of the game, in fact he's deliberately trying not to get close to anyone else.
@ his whole new purpose is to help Limbus Company to get what he wants from the deal, which is the promise of being able to bring back Garnet and restore Lapis’s memories
@@Quantum1244 I know that.
I just don't get the feeling PM would repeat the same kind of story as Don and Sancho with Verg.
Same for me, Canto 7 was amazing but Canto 6 was just on another level, every character there felt really impactful and memorable, and the extra help we received from somebody really special in the later part of Canto 6 was just the cherry on top.
Aw, I was really expecting to see the scene of Don Quixote quoting(?) the book, saying like, "Look at me, Sancho" during the panning shot or like, Don Quixote calling Sancho as Don Quixote for real this time after she beats him. Personally, I found those to be some of the more impactful moments.
And also the change in how our Don speaks post canto
Unbreakable coins are the best addition to gameplay since the id revamp, can't wait for rupture/tremor to stagger sinners in a future canto. Sinking unbreakable coins will breathe new life into potential man.
for the Verg's eye part, i heard some said those are prosthetics, so the part where he said "the eyes that hold the blood of a higher generation than your own" might be very literal.
Reminder that one of his passives in 6-41 was "Eyes of a Friend that ■■■■". Assuming the length of the empty space is any indication... well, "died" would fit snugly there, wouldn't it? And it could explain why he expects Sancho to instinctively recognize his eyes as those of a First Kindred...
29 seconds... I must partake in esgoos videos as soon as possible!!!
What if Camille BETRAYED the fanghunt fixers and locked them in LA MANCHALAND for 8 million years?
LAST ONE TO LEAVE THE AMUSEMENT PARK GETS 1 MILLION AHN!!!
1:10:24 FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE WHO THINKS THAT!!!
I feel they were after something in lob corp, specifically an abnormality. The fact they got their hands on ego gifts and know what they do (not really how to use it properly) makes me think that. Also the fact they fucked off somewhere else…I still think Camille backstabbed Romero, don’t think any run of the mill fixer be able to leave after or atleast leave a lasting mark. We saw what happened to Hugo, and we don’t know how they were backstabbed.
Also was so caught off guard Romero was able to stay concious after Dulcinea, ig he wasn’t turned to a bloodbag but a bloodfiend instead? That was pretty cool till Sanson just killed him, had the balls to attack a higher kindred too.
Sancho
I really like how sancho and Mr. don quixote use unbreakable coins (would recommend doing the last fight sancho solo too for various reasons) since it lets the fight stand out more than just mindlessly rushing to stagger thresholds. - with dante’s skills making me question if the last one were gonna get will be angelica’s, lob protag, or … perhaps that ladys’.
With the only gripe I can say with this canto being that cantos as a whole are meant to bring a spotlight to the character, with don liking to steal the spotlight since day 1. So by the time we got here I had already gotten use to tuning her out. But the last two fights made that up for me. Glad we got to fight the “windmill” too.
"I have conceived an idea most ingenious!"
This Canto is most likely the most shonen anime that Limbus Company has ever gotten.
Then again, Project Moon as a whole is a bunch of shonen anime BS, and we love it for that.
Esgoo, if I don't hear you screaming by the end of this video you don't have the Project Moon spirit
As someone who didn't enjoy Canto 6 as much as seemingly the majority, this is my new favorite canto since 5 hands down. Maybe I'm biased because Don has been my favorite character since I started, and Sancho's design is one of my favorites, but I honestly couldn't find much wrong with it (all the unanswered questions hopefully just weren't important, otherwise I might have to revisit my thoughts especially if that VIP is super important). The Dulcinea thing I agree she didn't have much character outside wanting to be the prettiest, but honestly that's an interesting spin on the original idea of the character. My biggest issues were that I feel Rocinante was not adequately explained, like what is it really? I'm assuming it's a construct Don Quixote made, but how did he give it the ability to stave off the hunger? Maybe I'm missing something, maybe it'll be explained later, really my biggest issue is the whole thing of bloodfiends being bad for drinking human blood, and all the themes related to that, meanwhile Don rides around on a bus that eats people for fuel. Feels a lot like double standards, and really would it be so bad for her to just take the shoes off and be a bloodfiend full time, if the people she drinks are the same people we feed to Mephistopheles? I mean this is more of an issue I have with early Limbus and the reason it took me a while to get into the story after Lob Corp and Ruina were so great, but I feel it really muddies the messages of this otherwise great story.
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I forget where it was said, probably in Distortion Detective, but iirc the glowing red eyes some people in the city have (including Verg and potentially Ryoshu) are a result of a combat enhancement procedure. They don't go into details on how it works, just that red eyes are the result of it.
With what Verg said there I guess the procedure is done using Bloodfiend blood.
This would also explain why the Tingtang gangsters back in Canto 2 were interested in Don's eyes.
One wrinkle in this is that one of Verg's passives back in 6-41 was titled "Eyes of a Friend that ■■■■". With this new information, I feel very confident in saying that the four-letter blank word there is "died" and the eyes are literally transplanted from someone, presumably a First Kindred Bloodfiend. The "how" and "why" remain a mystery at present, though.
@@alexanderkosten7611 I actually completely missed that, good catch.
@@alexanderkosten7611It could also be an implication that he's a First Kindred
@@serraramayfield9230 it could be, but that would be an incredibly strange way to imply it, and i dont see it
I really do like unbreakable coins because I have to do more than spam win rate because they are just IN YOUR FACE, and you either have to face tank then, heal them up or evade them. You either turn your brain off and suffer the consequences, or put in more effort to get through safely. And I really like that.
Yes this is James Bloodfiend.
But remember that above him is X, who basically is the Queen of England of Bloodfiends.
I would have said the "M" of Bloodfiends, but that would imply that the Queen of England is higher than ALL other bloodfiends.
Camille was Esgoo's pallid whale.
What else is there to say... but Peak Fiction.
I swear that "Gonna prove that my version of justice is more just than yours" is gonna last in my head forever
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Because it is
You will hear don's voicelines from time to time
unfortunatly i dared to play a burn team in limbus company and so the final fight proved rather miserable until i resorted to soloing it.
That is that and this is a freaking banger in the end. Can't wait for the full "Gone Angels" cover
Thanks for dimming down WH Heathcliff thunder, and for the unhinged Ca(r)mille hatred
[38:43] "What's the most brutal E.G.O in the game?" *Somehow decides that Overclocking La Sunyata is the answer.*
Honestly, if you wanted to go with a brutal death, I would have chosen Everlasting's Awakening, AEDD's Corrosion, Cavernous Wailing's Corrosion, or either version of Hex Nail.
I think what damien's crew are talking about with the star thing is "heaven" from Paradiso. In which heaven is basically space and if you're hily enough you become a fixed star