I did hear a rationale once for why Congress does get paid during shutdowns. It's because it is to prevent more politicking. Some members of congress are much poorer/wealthier than others so paying reps even during a shutdown ensures that members dont use shutdowns to bully/coerce members.
These politicians are wealthy and can go a year without pay. Rather these politicians deserve no back-pay, and I would add financial penalties as well for each week that the budget isn’t resolved
Government salary was never their source of income, it is like their pocket money to them, but the benefit from companies backing them up during their election is their true man income
As Winston Churchill is alleged to have said: "You can always rely upon the US to do the right thing, after they've exhausted all other options". Clearly they're still exploring other options...
Reason being the us still follows an obsolete constitution that was written in the the 18th century, most European constitutions where written post ww2
@@mattiarubio3240 Well, the thing is that they never revise the thing. The Dutch constitution is actually older than that of the US, but it is also completely revised every 30-40 years to make sure it remains relevant to a constantly changing world. Our current revision dates to the 1980s, so we're probably due one again soon. Plenty of other countries do the same thing. If only the US joined them, they would be in much better shape, democratically.
The only argument against is that could become even more political as one party could effectively keep the budget from the previous year that they agree more with rather than getting a new one especially when there is a change of administrations.
@@kieran8921 Do you need 2/3 majority to pass the budget? If it's just 50+1 then a change in administrations doesn't matter for passing the budget, right?
Yes. Really, what there should be is just earmarks at set portions of GDP for various agencies, along with a UBI which can be given its own default earmark and be the place where all unspent surplus is directed. Congress should, ideally, rarely have to be involved in anything, they really should just be there to solidify and maintain freedoms, and ensure that particularly novel circumstances are reacted to accordingly. Most days for a congressman should be so boring that they can literally do some other job as their main job, just with the caveat that they may have to leave for more important business on The Hill at unexpected national emergencies. The only reason that it isn't this simple is that congress is too obsessed with creating internal problems that demand internal solutions rather than fixing the problems of the actual nation that it is supposed to work for. Congress is like if a car company made engines that could turn off if over 50% of the car company decided to turn off the engines, and their reason was "One day the car could run out of miles".
In Australia we have a deadlock provision in our constitution for when this happens and an election must be called if a spending bill can’t be passed a certain number of times. Politicians on both sides usually don’t want to do this so they usually end up compromising and getting it through
@@kennethkho7165 because it can backfire, you try to force an election and the public sees you as the culprit in not getting paid you can lose seats as an opposition party.
I'm American and I absolutely love this country. It provides me with a lifestyle that second to none other.. yes there's bad things about it but I can guarantee you there's a line of people 20 miles deep to get into this country because it is really a great place to be
Things to learn here. 1. We need a more cooperative government for our citizens. 2. As an adult you need to prioritize getting an emergency fund. 3. We need a better medical system for people out of work.
This assumes you even have funds to put away in the event of an emergency. How about "As the richest country in the world the minimum wage should be something people can actually live off of"?
@@jiggaleepuff I said prioritize in my statement. We all have a story and I was raised poor. As Americans to many make excuses. Put in minimal effort in life get minimum wage.
@@334trax2 “Minimum” wage doesn’t equal minimal effort. The whole purpose of minimum wage was to provide a quality standard of life for average families which unfortunately can no longer be done in today’s warped world.
@@EyeonthePrize247 it has always cost more than minimum wage to live as a family since at least 1993. I'm not saying people making minimum wage are putting in physically minimum effort. I'm saying they can move up or learn something to make more income. Focus on that instead of excuses. If I and many can do it , most can.
@@334trax2 Exactly, and before then I’m sure! So, my point more so had to do with the fact that we’ve completely gone against what it was created for and it’s long been a concept used to demonize people. And I don’t disagree with you. We are in the land of opportunity after all. However, I am open to the fact that said opportunity has had many obstacles created whether intentionally or as a lasting consequence from other factors to prevent or curtail certain classes of individuals from advancing. Not to say they can’t but… I don’t know.
You're missing the most important difference between the US and the rest of the world: in pretty much every other country, budgetary bills are matters of confidence. If a budget fails to pass, the legislature is dissolved & an election is held. If the new legislature can't pass a budget, it is dissolved again & another election is held. This repeats until the people elect a legislature that's capable of doing its job.
@@gregnz1 Exactly. MPs of the governing party (who will have a majority) won't vote down the budget because they know that leads to their party going out of government.
In Indonesia, the rules are quite simple. When the government failed to reach an agreement on the spending bill, we reused last year's bill again. But so far it never happened.
Indonesian too here. It should be per 2 years, honestly. It impairs the DPR's capability to pass bills. Oh, BTW, the max 3% deficit spending rule, the 60% of GDP max gov debt, should be constitutionalized. Also, full employment should be constitutionalized as well.
This is so flawed. In Canada we call our appropriation bills Budget bills and if those don't pass it essentially acts as a no-confidence vote and an election is called.
And I guess the government agencies in Canada continue spending according to the previous budget bill until after the election happens and a new budget bill is passed.
No offense, but you guys are out of your mind. Shutting down the Health and Human Services Agency is the absolute cherry on top of the cake. A masterpiece of madness.
I like how she said "where would the incentive go?" ...like, the government doesn't have ANY incentive to work because they get paid regardless. If we DIRECTLY told our representation that they wouldn't get paid if they didn't meet their goals, we'd find change in government. Actually PUNISH our government. Not with OUR money, but theirs. No taxation without representation, no paid vacations when our country is in shambles...
Blame democracy. Literally every problem with how the US government is run and operated falls back on warm body democracy. The American system, but really any democratic system, only functionally operates when there is a mutual respect between politicians and voters. Voters do not value their political force, so neither do politicians. So now we have 10trillion dollar spending bills. Funny that.
In India, if the spending bill is not passed during the first day of the Budget session (February 1, or the first working day in February) then that amounts to a no-confidence motion and the government is required to resign.
It's easy to pass budgets in India because India doesn't have presidential system. So you can't become a prime minister without a majority in lower house.
The thing is, Belgium gives way more autonomy to its subdivisions, and has a standart procedure to keep things going as if nothing happened. No budget plan? Copy the last one. Can't agree on policy change before a deadline? Keep the old one running until you do. And so on.
@@YourLocalMairaaboo "The thing is, Belgium gives way more autonomy to its subdivisions" I'm not so sure about that part, or at least "way more" sounds like an exaggeration. The US is a federal country and the states handle a lot of stuff. Of course, Belgium is a federal country too but it's not clear to me that its federal constituents are "way more" self governing than those of the US.
@@seneca983 I don't know enough of the jurisdictions of US states to say, but Belgium's regions do have a lot of authority and increasingly so (it's a whole issue here, we've been through a number of state reforms that all fortified the regional authorities). What also comes into play is the EU: a lot of Belgian legislation is just passing laws drafted and agreed upon at the European level (also increasingly the case).
@@JeeVeeHaych As one example in the US states can have their own criminal law. I don't think Flanders or Wallonia can have their own criminal laws (correct me if I'm wrong).
Just like the "Right to bear arms", this portion of the Constitution has been manipulated and misinterpreted by various special interests and politicians to suit their own needs.
@@thepedrothethethe6151 You must be really bad at grammar if you think that the second amendment states that the right to bear arms is only for citizens in a national militia.
Federal contractor here in DC. It’s like being in an abusive relationship with the federal govt. I had to accept that I will never get back pay during a shutdown.
This is one major reason why I'm hesitant to take a government job despite the fact that they are some of the best paying in my field. You end up becoming essentially not getting paid for anywhere from a few days to a few months a year with no way to know how long.
Without getting into specifics, not trying to ask for your personal information... what is it that you do for me? Is it really that important? Sincerely, The Taxpayer
If "essential employees" are required to work without pay its slavery (obviously milder than our history of chattel slavery). If they are going to mandate certain positions, they need to have a separate fund that covers it when they are playing games.
Seem like essential employees are expected to factor this cost in by themselves. Perhaps compensate unpaid days by spreading over paid ones. It is a detriment anyway.
@@NoHandleToSpeakOf Seems like the essential employees should be introduced to unions... Just collectively not show up for work when they aren't getting paid, and blame the consequences on its employer. That should make the people at the top a bit more aware of their responsebilities
In the UK, as with nearly all parliamentary systems modelled on Westminster, if the budget fails to pass, the government will collapse and snap elections are held. Controlling the money supply is imperative - in fact the actual title of the Prime Minister is the First Lord of the Treasury, indicative of how the executive governance arose from the ability to command the control of state revenue and expenditure.
The US Is odd Internationally, most countries just force an Emergency Legislative Election to clear the slate if a deadlock between the Executive and Legislative Branches occurs, in some countries a Budget Bill being voted down also forces one.
Time to add a new law. The folks responsible for passing the budget cannot leave the building including for meals until resolved. Lock them inside. They can survive for weeks without food. A true test of their resolve.
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Add a clause that removes money from the military funding to pay federal workers during shutdown I bet it won't even scrape the surface of that 400billion allocated to them.
@7:33 they say the parties grow apart, they include arrows pointing in opposite directions… but the liberal part of the chart shows essentially static yet still gets blamed for what is obviously the conservative side dragging the Center line firmly into their comfort zone by moving the goal posts.
The fact that this is something that exist and happens has always baffled me. I'm not from the US, so of course I can only judge through a lense of unfamiliarity, but it's kinda like so obvious that this a terrible way of handling that situation and that it benefits no one. I mean if your constitution causes a serious chance of having to lay off millions of workers and tank the economy year after year, then maybe.... there's something completely wrong with the constitution or the way it's interpreted? It's mind blowing that that's something that needs to be said and it isn't fixed...
Here in Portugal not only there isn't the possibility of government shutdown, we've actually had the opposite happening. During certain times in the past where there was political turmoil, coups, civil wars and the like and there was no political leader or functioning government, all the normal government services continued working as usual, wages being paid, etc, as long as it was needed, sometimes for a few days, I believe at the most it was a couple of weeks. It's actually pretty remarkable how in those situations everyone just kept doing their jobs as normal.
@@Ryman158 there is people that have been in office for over 40 years... this is the problem they are so out of touch with reality and prefer to live in their bubble. I didn't care much before but after listening to the Zuckerberg case these people who hold power have very ancient views. It doesn't help this video also showed how people abused it since the beginning as well.
America, where politicians willingly play with the livelihoods of tends of thousands of federal workers because "it's the only time we can argue to make laws". Jeezes, man. Just let the current regulation continue until you are finished bickering. Don't play with lives like that. How selfish can these American politicians be?
@@barneylaurance1865 true. I guess the rich always get all the advantages no matter what. Anyways, I was just angry at the fact that essential workers can be made to work, but not essential enough to get paid.
has a european, it will always make me laugh that every time something bad happened in the US the media speak always of the impact on the economy first and not the people impacted
Here in the Philippines like in many other countries, the government will use last year's budget until a new one is passed. It has happened a couple of times already, though this effectively stopped new projects from being funded so it is a loss for the administration. This is why the administration and its allies will try to make sure a budget is passed so their projects for the year can push through.
and because of that, even if no actual shutdowns have occurred - it felt like one already, some gov't employees have delayed or no salaries for 3-6 months.
In Canada, the Prime Minister only needs a simple majority in the House to pass a budget. If she can’t, then the government falls and we go back to elections.
Government shut down is a misnomer. Some government departments are classified emergency essential (for example Social Security Adm) and will still be working, but at a reduced capacity (not being able to issue cards etc...). National Parks Adm would be shut down for the duration (and lose any revenue potential during that time). Depending on the department, the employee(s) would be furloughed (with back pay later on), work without pay (with back pay later on) or work and pay (normal operations).
As per the Indian Parliamentary convention, it imposes a bill called the “Vote on Account” bill along side the Appropriation bill, which releases a fund of atleast 2/6th or 1/10th of the funds of previous year amount, which is more than enough for the government to run until Appropriation bill is passed. After the Appropriation bill is passed, only the remaining funds are released, so in a way at the end the parliament votes for both the Vote on Account funds and the Appropriation funds at one go. Edit: On top of this, if the Appropriation bill is not passed within the budget session, it amounts to no-confidence motion and the government would resign.
It's easy to pass budgets in India because India doesn't have presidential system. So you can't become a prime minister without a majority in lower house.
If the budget does not pass any conditions in the parliament, then it is understandable that the ruling party is a minority. Technically, this means that the government has lost its vote of confidence in Lok Sabha and must resign. Although it has not happened so far.
its so messed up, like americans are so proud, that they still live by the constitution written hundreds of years ago, when it actually hurts their country in so many ways. its so hard to get anything done in a political system written for a time that just isnt existant anymore. like maybe back then it worked, but now its just a different world and the politics should be too
Somebody in congress had the great idea of deciding that instead of actually reducing the spending or raise the income it would make more sense to set a arbitrary number at which the US will just stop paying their bills. They still have the spend all the money defined in multiple laws but they can't borrow money to pay for all the stuff they are legally required to pay. And the Republican thought it would be a great idea to force the US government to stop paying their bills to ram through legislation that they couldn't get passed otherwise.
I mean yea basically. This is all part of the same war on America Nixonian Republicans started following the debacle of Viet Nam to punish us for questioning them.
@@pixality7902 The difference here is that it took Rome more than a thousand years to fall. The United States is practically determined to cause its own downfall in less than 50 years!
7:26 "and as the political ideology of congress grows further apart each year" those yellow arrows may try to tell a diffrent story, but what i'm seeing is that the "more conservative" fraction is clearly steadily raising and "more liberal" isn't actually really changing.
This is exactly it. Right wing radicalization with a liberal media and culture that can only culture that can only conceive of things happening to both sides. How do you successfully run Biden against Trump and think both sides are running apart from each other? How do you have so many moderates while the other party cleans house and think both sides are growing apart? How can your party elite be so much older. Etc., etc., etc. Liberal media is quite literally delusional.
VoteView website show 0.5 being correct but it should be 0.25. Tried to find the axis unit without success. I believe it's deflection from the norm but my schooling is too long ago to remember how impactful a 0.5 deflection actually is or if just really zoomed because it's so small.
My country was once a colony of the United States, from 1898 to 1946, and we had a piece of legislation before that authorizes a legislature to reenact the previous year's budget, in order to avoid government shutdown. Until now, we still have that practice, as it is prescribed in the 1987 Philippine Constitution - Article VI, Section 25, Paragraph 7: If, by the end of any fiscal year, the Congress shall have failed to pass the general appropriations bill for the ensuing fiscal year, the general appropriations law for the preceding fiscal year shall be deemed reenacted and shall remain in force and effect until the general appropriations bill is passed by the Congress. I think the United States should amend its Constitution that would reflect to what my country should avoid, especially a government shutdown.
I am a flight attendant. When the TSA workers were not being paid we started a fund within the pilot's and flight attendants to buy gift cards and cash to the TSA workers to help out. We were pretty much immediately stopped by the government and our company. We were issued an official memo that said giving these gifts would be considered bribing and we would at minimum lose our security privileges or at maximum be fined or imprisoned for bribing public officials.
I suppose one alternative is to just tweak that AG's interpretation to where departments are only allowed to pay their employees, but all other spending is restricted.
In India, if the appropriation bill is not passed by 1st February it amounts to a no-confidence motion and the government resigns. So it's the politicians who are out and not the essential service employees.
Thank you for this informative video. I've learned a lot about government shut. Prior, I did not understand the impact it's having on essential working people with bills and loved ones they have to care for. Imagine going 35 days without getting paid is though-I think it's going to get wrost for us in the US 😪
I was to also remind though, "without pay" is kind of true, once funding is back, you get back pay. If you are contracted, you do not get back pay (because 1. You aren't working in a shut down, 2. you are not a federal employee)
Money and dealing arms in WWII while facing no real on the home front to name a couple of things. There's less disagreement on foreign policy than other things.
Eventually military wont serve to them anyway, China could probably challenge the US by now and in a few years expel them from Asia, I dont support China, but neither I support the USA
This is my go to answer every time an American talk about how they are the "greatest country" or, when they try to "educate" developing countries into using a Presidential system instead of a Parliamentary system or a semi-presidential one. You can talk about "Separation of Powers" all you want, bro; parliamentary system will never get a government shutdown.
Also they throw shoes at each other. Think how different Mitch McConnell would behave if he risked taking a Ferragamo to that wrinkled lipless food hole he calls a mouth.
1975 Australia. That would of been a government shutdown. The difference is what happens when the budget fails to pass. In that case everyone gets kicked out and a new election is held. Their is nothing stopping a Presidential system from having the same rule nor a parliamentary system shutting down the government without said rule.
In India upper house doesn't have a say in financial bills, only lower house have a say which ruling party has a majority in... that can be a solution for USA🤷🏻♂️
The upper house is the senate which is one of the least democratic places in our government. The senate is usually owned by the party that can't win the popular vote for president.
@@pixality7902 Upper is least democratic in most countries, in India upper house isn't elected (not directly) by the people but still gets to veto bill passed by elected government.
If you're a federal worker and there is a government shutdown, and you are unable to pay your rent due to not being paid, do you get to tell your landlord that you're a federal worker to get out of being evicted?
Showing up without pay is indentured servitude. Shut down shows how much our politicians care about who they represent oh waite its not us its businesses they care about
There's an easy fix for this. If the government shuts down, the employees get payed from the personal pockets of all members of congress and the president until that runs dry. I'm pretty sure they'd get to an agreement rather quickly then.
I have a very simple solution for this… I propose that if the Congress cannot decide itself on a new appropriation bill for the year to come, the same as the one of the previous year will be used in order to prevent Government shutdown.
It's interesting when that graph is referenced at 7:30 for increasing political polarization. Not sure how accurate it is but interesting that the liberal portion is marginally increasing while the conservative portion has essentially doubled (increased much more than the liberal portion). It would also be interesting to see the graph go back much further in the countries history (basically as far as it can go).
@@2Pish because the military creates tons of jobs because of all the technology and manufacturing required to make the military run so politicians are willing to put a lot of money into it. This does limit the capabilities of Departments/agencies though which is a big problem.
6:30 you see why can't this country's government be like the officials in South Korea, South Africa, and the Ukraine and settle disputes by throwing a few hay makers. it seems like diplomacy WITHOUT breaking a few noses and knocking a few teeth out is NOT getting us anywhere
USA citizen 1: Bro today the our government is shut down USA citizen 2: How do you know? USA citizen 1: The public trash that we saw about two days ago, it still full today
The fact that Congress still gets paid during a shutdown that THEY cause while regular employees are forced to work without pay, is disgusting.
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I did hear a rationale once for why Congress does get paid during shutdowns. It's because it is to prevent more politicking. Some members of congress are much poorer/wealthier than others so paying reps even during a shutdown ensures that members dont use shutdowns to bully/coerce members.
Depressing how both parties support this system and make little to no effort to actually improve things
@stund ogha anyone can be wealthy a lot of y’all just like to work for ppl
cut they pay off I bet they make better choices.
If Congress can’t do it’s job, they should be the first not paid.
I’m fact, they shouldn’t receive any compensation until the end of their term.
Like a government salary is their main source of income.
These politicians are wealthy and can go a year without pay. Rather these politicians deserve no back-pay, and I would add financial penalties as well for each week that the budget isn’t resolved
Well, it's only one group in congress who keep shutting down the government. Maybe stop voting for them?
Here is the real joke! The average American would agree which is the majority! And yet it will never happen! WHAT A JOKE AYE!
Government salary was never their source of income, it is like their pocket money to them, but the benefit from companies backing them up during their election is their true man income
For once, I’d like to learn that the U.S. does something no other country does that’s actually beneficial to it’s citizens.
Yeah, not going to happen.
We do, that's just not what the US news focuses on. We focus on how to improve, not just a party of our success.
@@leorkoubi4626 please share them with us. As the original comment said and many people agreed by liking the comment we want to know.
Yeah I'm afraid no matter who's on office that's not happening.
@@einfachnurleo7099 Infrastructure Bill signed not too recently
If every other country has a standard and functional way of doing something, you can always trust the US to make it difficult.
USA is running on a heavily patched Alpha of democracy.
As Winston Churchill is alleged to have said: "You can always rely upon the US to do the right thing, after they've exhausted all other options". Clearly they're still exploring other options...
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Reason being the us still follows an obsolete constitution that was written in the the 18th century, most European constitutions where written post ww2
@@mattiarubio3240 Well, the thing is that they never revise the thing. The Dutch constitution is actually older than that of the US, but it is also completely revised every 30-40 years to make sure it remains relevant to a constantly changing world. Our current revision dates to the 1980s, so we're probably due one again soon. Plenty of other countries do the same thing. If only the US joined them, they would be in much better shape, democratically.
Thank you for this informative video
If the new funding isn't approved, shouldn't the last funding be the default?
thats what i thought
The only argument against is that could become even more political as one party could effectively keep the budget from the previous year that they agree more with rather than getting a new one especially when there is a change of administrations.
@@kieran8921 Do you need 2/3 majority to pass the budget? If it's just 50+1 then a change in administrations doesn't matter for passing the budget, right?
According to another comment: thats indonesias tactic. And it works. So shouldnt be a problem
Yes. Really, what there should be is just earmarks at set portions of GDP for various agencies, along with a UBI which can be given its own default earmark and be the place where all unspent surplus is directed. Congress should, ideally, rarely have to be involved in anything, they really should just be there to solidify and maintain freedoms, and ensure that particularly novel circumstances are reacted to accordingly. Most days for a congressman should be so boring that they can literally do some other job as their main job, just with the caveat that they may have to leave for more important business on The Hill at unexpected national emergencies.
The only reason that it isn't this simple is that congress is too obsessed with creating internal problems that demand internal solutions rather than fixing the problems of the actual nation that it is supposed to work for. Congress is like if a car company made engines that could turn off if over 50% of the car company decided to turn off the engines, and their reason was "One day the car could run out of miles".
In Australia we have a deadlock provision in our constitution for when this happens and an election must be called if a spending bill can’t be passed a certain number of times. Politicians on both sides usually don’t want to do this so they usually end up compromising and getting it through
Why don't they want it? Election is a zero-sum game, so it would be great to make the opponent look bad
@@kennethkho7165 because it can backfire, you try to force an election and the public sees you as the culprit in not getting paid you can lose seats as an opposition party.
I'm American and I absolutely love this country. It provides me with a lifestyle that second to none other.. yes there's bad things about it but I can guarantee you there's a line of people 20 miles deep to get into this country because it is really a great place to be
@@emrecankarabacak I didn't think of that, great
@@AWcinema True patriots criticize their country to make it a better country in the future...
Just saying
When parents don't agree on what to have for dinner, they don't stop making food for their children
But in this system, the children are the ones making the food.
@@denniskelley2697 The parents just decided what kind of food to make
You're not a child. So stop your whining and run for office.
And you’re an adult? And you couldn’t be nicer about it? ‘Then shut your mouth and move along.’
Are you suggesting that the citizens are children?
Things to learn here.
1. We need a more cooperative government for our citizens.
2. As an adult you need to prioritize getting an emergency fund.
3. We need a better medical system for people out of work.
This assumes you even have funds to put away in the event of an emergency. How about "As the richest country in the world the minimum wage should be something people can actually live off of"?
@@jiggaleepuff I said prioritize in my statement. We all have a story and I was raised poor. As Americans to many make excuses. Put in minimal effort in life get minimum wage.
@@334trax2
“Minimum” wage doesn’t equal minimal effort. The whole purpose of minimum wage was to provide a quality standard of life for average families which unfortunately can no longer be done in today’s warped world.
@@EyeonthePrize247 it has always cost more than minimum wage to live as a family since at least 1993. I'm not saying people making minimum wage are putting in physically minimum effort. I'm saying they can move up or learn something to make more income. Focus on that instead of excuses. If I and many can do it , most can.
@@334trax2
Exactly, and before then I’m sure!
So, my point more so had to do with the fact that we’ve completely gone against what it was created for and it’s long been a concept used to demonize people.
And I don’t disagree with you. We are in the land of opportunity after all. However, I am open to the fact that said opportunity has had many obstacles created whether intentionally or as a lasting consequence from other factors to prevent or curtail certain classes of individuals from advancing. Not to say they can’t but… I don’t know.
You're missing the most important difference between the US and the rest of the world: in pretty much every other country, budgetary bills are matters of confidence. If a budget fails to pass, the legislature is dissolved & an election is held. If the new legislature can't pass a budget, it is dissolved again & another election is held. This repeats until the people elect a legislature that's capable of doing its job.
only if the MPs vote against it, it rarely happens because of MP support.
@@gregnz1 Exactly. MPs of the governing party (who will have a majority) won't vote down the budget because they know that leads to their party going out of government.
It only happens in a parliamentary system of government. Presidential ones are known for gridlocks of check and balances.
@@michaelkevinmirasol8256voting no isn’t a check or balance. It’s opposition gov
The more I learn about US the more I get to know how messed up the country really is
Lol same
Send help
It’s easy to look past the countrie’s facade due to the rise of the internet.
It's our leaders corrupt and bought off by China and Russia. Just like the Build Back Beijing scam theyre trying to pass now
@@jaybee2745 don't he close minded my dude
In Indonesia, the rules are quite simple. When the government failed to reach an agreement on the spending bill, we reused last year's bill again. But so far it never happened.
nice
I think it is the same in Philippines.
Indonesian too here.
It should be per 2 years, honestly.
It impairs the DPR's capability to pass bills.
Oh, BTW, the max 3% deficit spending rule, the 60% of GDP max gov debt, should be constitutionalized.
Also, full employment should be constitutionalized as well.
@Cryforequanimity yes, they act like they dignity is more importent than peoples.
@Cryforequanimity idk but that's a perfect idea to make both sides look bad. i just hope you guys there can make a change for the better
This is so flawed. In Canada we call our appropriation bills Budget bills and if those don't pass it essentially acts as a no-confidence vote and an election is called.
Same in India. Maybe it is common in the commonwealth countries
Yep, this is the way it works in parliamentary democracies, the prime minister just loses their job. Not so in presidential systems
not to mention canada has measures to keep money flowing through government services so it won’t shutdown and government workers stil get paid
Pretty much the same in Israel
And I guess the government agencies in Canada continue spending according to the previous budget bill until after the election happens and a new budget bill is passed.
No offense, but you guys are out of your mind. Shutting down the Health and Human Services Agency is the absolute cherry on top of the cake. A masterpiece of madness.
How about you justify this?
haha, excellent.
I like how she said "where would the incentive go?" ...like, the government doesn't have ANY incentive to work because they get paid regardless. If we DIRECTLY told our representation that they wouldn't get paid if they didn't meet their goals, we'd find change in government. Actually PUNISH our government. Not with OUR money, but theirs. No taxation without representation, no paid vacations when our country is in shambles...
Can we all agree that we have one the most dysfunctional budget appropriation process in the developed world. This is madness.
No. We have THE MOST dysfunctional budget appropriation process even compared to some developing countries.
Blame democracy. Literally every problem with how the US government is run and operated falls back on warm body democracy. The American system, but really any democratic system, only functionally operates when there is a mutual respect between politicians and voters. Voters do not value their political force, so neither do politicians. So now we have 10trillion dollar spending bills. Funny that.
@@connorcampbell5274 your thinking of european and American democracy
@@ethandew1768 As opposed to what other?
USD is the only thing Im jealous of. The paycheck in USD is good right?
In India, if the spending bill is not passed during the first day of the Budget session (February 1, or the first working day in February) then that amounts to a no-confidence motion and the government is required to resign.
Wow I didnt know that.That's what makes a top democracy.
As an Indian I did not know that
@@jakowako7157 ah don't be blind our country if really corupt
Hahahahaha... Good joke buddy..
It's easy to pass budgets in India because India doesn't have presidential system. So you can't become a prime minister without a majority in lower house.
Belgium: *laughs when it didn't had a new government form for 541 days*
The thing is, Belgium gives way more autonomy to its subdivisions, and has a standart procedure to keep things going as if nothing happened.
No budget plan? Copy the last one.
Can't agree on policy change before a deadline? Keep the old one running until you do. And so on.
You don’t really need one
@@YourLocalMairaaboo "The thing is, Belgium gives way more autonomy to its subdivisions"
I'm not so sure about that part, or at least "way more" sounds like an exaggeration. The US is a federal country and the states handle a lot of stuff. Of course, Belgium is a federal country too but it's not clear to me that its federal constituents are "way more" self governing than those of the US.
@@seneca983 I don't know enough of the jurisdictions of US states to say, but Belgium's regions do have a lot of authority and increasingly so (it's a whole issue here, we've been through a number of state reforms that all fortified the regional authorities).
What also comes into play is the EU: a lot of Belgian legislation is just passing laws drafted and agreed upon at the European level (also increasingly the case).
@@JeeVeeHaych As one example in the US states can have their own criminal law. I don't think Flanders or Wallonia can have their own criminal laws (correct me if I'm wrong).
Just like the "Right to bear arms", this portion of the Constitution has been manipulated and misinterpreted by various special interests and politicians to suit their own needs.
Shall not be infringed
@@DanielGarcia-ms5wd And the National Militia?
@@thepedrothethethe6151 You must be really bad at grammar if you think that the second amendment states that the right to bear arms is only for citizens in a national militia.
@@BossX2243 the wording of the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution doean't help tho XD
@@theirishempire4952 Its essay to understand if English is your first language.
It's like, US law makers, literally thought how can we cause the most inconvenience to everyone, while still being in power and doing the bare minimum
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Yeah I really liked the proportional circles representing each institution.
Federal contractor here in DC. It’s like being in an abusive relationship with the federal govt. I had to accept that I will never get back pay during a shutdown.
What if you just "don't do work" when the government is shut down?
Wouldn't that solve the problem?
@@blinking_dodo then you get fired
, and you still miss out on pay
This is one major reason why I'm hesitant to take a government job despite the fact that they are some of the best paying in my field. You end up becoming essentially not getting paid for anywhere from a few days to a few months a year with no way to know how long.
Without getting into specifics, not trying to ask for your personal information... what is it that you do for me? Is it really that important? Sincerely, The Taxpayer
If "essential employees" are required to work without pay its slavery (obviously milder than our history of chattel slavery). If they are going to mandate certain positions, they need to have a separate fund that covers it when they are playing games.
Seem like essential employees are expected to factor this cost in by themselves. Perhaps compensate unpaid days by spreading over paid ones. It is a detriment anyway.
@@NoHandleToSpeakOf Seems like the essential employees should be introduced to unions...
Just collectively not show up for work when they aren't getting paid, and blame the consequences on its employer.
That should make the people at the top a bit more aware of their responsebilities
They get compensated for it later.
@@NoHandleToSpeakOf getting paid by the day or hour is pretty backward to begin with
You don’t have to beat up people for them to be slaves, you just have to force them to work without pay.
In the UK, as with nearly all parliamentary systems modelled on Westminster, if the budget fails to pass, the government will collapse and snap elections are held. Controlling the money supply is imperative - in fact the actual title of the Prime Minister is the First Lord of the Treasury, indicative of how the executive governance arose from the ability to command the control of state revenue and expenditure.
Yes. And at the same time the UK public services will continue to spend money according the previous budget.
but right now the UK government is run by liars and corrupt ministers...so why is that a good example at all??
"Belgium with and without a government is the same Belgium, The US with and with a Government is not the same US" -my friend
Germany was out of a government in 2015/16 for 6 months....its still there...!
The US Is odd Internationally, most countries just force an Emergency Legislative Election to clear the slate if a deadlock between the Executive and Legislative Branches occurs, in some countries a Budget Bill being voted down also forces one.
In the US the only forced elections are done by recall and that’s only at the state level
That’s because most countries have working checks and balances.
@@mzaite Deadlock encourages checks and balances.
@@alex-brs In no way does it.
The country lives on borrowed money anyway
The funniest part is this literally can't happen on other countries.
When developing countries can handle their government better than the US.....
@@Junket-20 we show them exactly what not to do, and Why.
@@mzaite Well yeah thats true
@@Junket-20 irony being majority of developing democracies are inspired by US' democracy
@@Junket-20 well, you are right and wrong
Time to add a new law. The folks responsible for passing the budget cannot leave the building including for meals until resolved. Lock them inside. They can survive for weeks without food. A true test of their resolve.
So you want the budget to be decided based on which party can last longer without food? What would be the point of that?
@@barneylaurance1865 hunger games baby
@@barneylaurance1865 winning party gets to experience food wars in real life. Truly a sight to behold
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What is wrong with America in general? This country freaks me out more and more with every day that it’s passing by…
Add a clause that removes money from the military funding to pay federal workers during shutdown I bet it won't even scrape the surface of that 400billion allocated to them.
This is actually a great idea.
And when you are at it, remove 100 billion of military funding, and use that to repay a part of the debt you have.
Wasn't it 780 billion?
A brilliant idea. America could even cut its military budget by 1/3 without loosing any military power at all.
@@martinrotvig That doesn’t make any sense
@@martinrotvig and if they were to stop harassing small remote nations, they won't even need that much military.
I’m sorry what TSA agents are smiling and greeting anyone?! 😂
@7:33 they say the parties grow apart, they include arrows pointing in opposite directions… but the liberal part of the chart shows essentially static yet still gets blamed for what is obviously the conservative side dragging the Center line firmly into their comfort zone by moving the goal posts.
I was thinking that too. When they say government is getting more polarised, it seems to split the blame, but it’s only ever the Republicans.
Hey fellow Stevenson
The fact that this is something that exist and happens has always baffled me. I'm not from the US, so of course I can only judge through a lense of unfamiliarity, but it's kinda like so obvious that this a terrible way of handling that situation and that it benefits no one. I mean if your constitution causes a serious chance of having to lay off millions of workers and tank the economy year after year, then maybe.... there's something completely wrong with the constitution or the way it's interpreted? It's mind blowing that that's something that needs to be said and it isn't fixed...
Here in Portugal not only there isn't the possibility of government shutdown, we've actually had the opposite happening. During certain times in the past where there was political turmoil, coups, civil wars and the like and there was no political leader or functioning government, all the normal government services continued working as usual, wages being paid, etc, as long as it was needed, sometimes for a few days, I believe at the most it was a couple of weeks. It's actually pretty remarkable how in those situations everyone just kept doing their jobs as normal.
The idea is supposed to be to keep spending under control. The shutdown is pointless if you can just vote to spend more money.
Not when one parties spending comes into effect on the next party and vice versa. It's just sad. Not democracy.
If they can't agree on a budget there should be an immediate election to find people who can.
This is literally how it works in 80% of the planet
The democratics should just scale back the bill or don’t tie it to other bi-partisan bills
Except the shutdown is for spending that's already OK-ed by congress
@@Ryman158 there is people that have been in office for over 40 years... this is the problem they are so out of touch with reality and prefer to live in their bubble. I didn't care much before but after listening to the Zuckerberg case these people who hold power have very ancient views. It doesn't help this video also showed how people abused it since the beginning as well.
America, where politicians willingly play with the livelihoods of tends of thousands of federal workers because "it's the only time we can argue to make laws".
Jeezes, man. Just let the current regulation continue until you are finished bickering. Don't play with lives like that. How selfish can these American politicians be?
Bad thing is the Politician's pay is uninterrupted. They don't care about the people.
To be fair, Republicans are the ones shutting the government down repeatedly and offensively...
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@@pepeokatze 👍
Well the politician's paychecks should get stopped too. Such a broken system
its funny how the US was formed to be anti-monarchy while simultaneously eventually feeding the dynasties of the Democrats and Republicans
Yea, they don’t live on or even need those paychecks.
Wouldn't that give an strategic advantage to politicians with other wealth or other income?
@@barneylaurance1865 true. I guess the rich always get all the advantages no matter what. Anyways, I was just angry at the fact that essential workers can be made to work, but not essential enough to get paid.
In India we call it the budget and if it fails in the parliament it's considered a vote of no confidence.
has a european, it will always make me laugh that every time something bad happened in the US the media speak always of the impact on the economy first and not the people impacted
Here in the Philippines like in many other countries, the government will use last year's budget until a new one is passed. It has happened a couple of times already, though this effectively stopped new projects from being funded so it is a loss for the administration. This is why the administration and its allies will try to make sure a budget is passed so their projects for the year can push through.
and because of that, even if no actual shutdowns have occurred - it felt like one already, some gov't employees have delayed or no salaries for 3-6 months.
In Canada, the Prime Minister only needs a simple majority in the House to pass a budget. If she can’t, then the government falls and we go back to elections.
The only "she" to hold that job could only hold the job for 132 days.
“She” lol hilarious
USA: We are the most in debt country in the history of the world.
Also the USA: Why can't we pass a budget?
You guy's government can actually SHUT DOWN?! Man, the US never ceases to amaze me.
Government shut down is a misnomer. Some government departments are classified emergency essential (for example Social Security Adm) and will still be working, but at a reduced capacity (not being able to issue cards etc...). National Parks Adm would be shut down for the duration (and lose any revenue potential during that time). Depending on the department, the employee(s) would be furloughed (with back pay later on), work without pay (with back pay later on) or work and pay (normal operations).
I feel like I’ve learned more about the US government on this channel than in my US government class
As per the Indian Parliamentary convention, it imposes a bill called the “Vote on Account” bill along side the Appropriation bill, which releases a fund of atleast 2/6th or 1/10th of the funds of previous year amount, which is more than enough for the government to run until Appropriation bill is passed. After the Appropriation bill is passed, only the remaining funds are released, so in a way at the end the parliament votes for both the Vote on Account funds and the Appropriation funds at one go.
Edit: On top of this, if the Appropriation bill is not passed within the budget session, it amounts to no-confidence motion and the government would resign.
It's easy to pass budgets in India because India doesn't have presidential system. So you can't become a prime minister without a majority in lower house.
If the budget does not pass any conditions in the parliament, then it is understandable that the ruling party is a minority. Technically, this means that the government has lost its vote of confidence in Lok Sabha and must resign. Although it has not happened so far.
Can’t they just make a law that effectively makes them use last year’s budget when it lapses?
That will end like bismark
This is mentioned in the video
They can. But they won't.
That would never happen.
@@SmiIeyyXD
It will happen.
its so messed up, like americans are so proud, that they still live by the constitution written hundreds of years ago, when it actually hurts their country in so many ways. its so hard to get anything done in a political system written for a time that just isnt existant anymore. like maybe back then it worked, but now its just a different world and the politics should be too
Imagine If when the government shutdown for any period of time, we could deduct those days from our taxes? No government = no taxes right?
The last shutdown showed us we don't really need most government workers.
Did the government completely shut down? Missed that part....
Somebody in congress had the great idea of deciding that instead of actually reducing the spending or raise the income it would make more sense to set a arbitrary number at which the US will just stop paying their bills. They still have the spend all the money defined in multiple laws but they can't borrow money to pay for all the stuff they are legally required to pay.
And the Republican thought it would be a great idea to force the US government to stop paying their bills to ram through legislation that they couldn't get passed otherwise.
😂😂😂
I mean yea basically. This is all part of the same war on America Nixonian Republicans started following the debacle of Viet Nam to punish us for questioning them.
The US might be one of the most tragic countries to ever exist. It could have been akin to Rome and yet we got this.
I mean Rome came crashing down so it checks out.
@@pixality7902 💀
If you think rome was effective and stable, your dead wrong.
@@pixality7902 The difference here is that it took Rome more than a thousand years to fall. The United States is practically determined to cause its own downfall in less than 50 years!
Yinkees he thinking himself Rome what jokes
7:26 "and as the political ideology of congress grows further apart each year"
those yellow arrows may try to tell a diffrent story, but what i'm seeing is that the "more conservative" fraction is clearly steadily raising and "more liberal" isn't actually really changing.
Also, I don't get the y-axis. How is .5 further from 0 than 2.5?
This is exactly it. Right wing radicalization with a liberal media and culture that can only culture that can only conceive of things happening to both sides. How do you successfully run Biden against Trump and think both sides are running apart from each other? How do you have so many moderates while the other party cleans house and think both sides are growing apart? How can your party elite be so much older. Etc., etc., etc. Liberal media is quite literally delusional.
@@anneoever84 I would guess the dot shouldn't have been there and it's intended as -5 and 5?
@@pearcomputers2542 That sounds like a logical explanation, thanks!
VoteView website show 0.5 being correct but it should be 0.25. Tried to find the axis unit without success. I believe it's deflection from the norm but my schooling is too long ago to remember how impactful a 0.5 deflection actually is or if just really zoomed because it's so small.
No budget, no pay for Congress or President and Vice President! Or everyone gets 20% pay cut.
"Essential" employees really changed definitions once C19 hit. Maybe we should be revisiting this whole line of thought.
My country was once a colony of the United States, from 1898 to 1946, and we had a piece of legislation before that authorizes a legislature to reenact the previous year's budget, in order to avoid government shutdown.
Until now, we still have that practice, as it is prescribed in the 1987 Philippine Constitution - Article VI, Section 25, Paragraph 7:
If, by the end of any fiscal year, the Congress shall have failed to pass the general appropriations bill for the ensuing fiscal year, the general appropriations law for the preceding fiscal year shall be deemed reenacted and shall remain in force and effect until the general appropriations bill is passed by the Congress.
I think the United States should amend its Constitution that would reflect to what my country should avoid, especially a government shutdown.
Same as Indonesia
@@heybudi Really? Could you paste here the provision of their constitution that avoids a government shutdown?
My country was once a colony of Britain. We hated it
@@EmbeddedWithin Ohhh, what is your country?
We can’t even pass a budget, no way an amendment is ever happening. We couldn’t even pass an equal rights amendment.
I am a flight attendant. When the TSA workers were not being paid we started a fund within the pilot's and flight attendants to buy gift cards and cash to the TSA workers to help out. We were pretty much immediately stopped by the government and our company. We were issued an official memo that said giving these gifts would be considered bribing and we would at minimum lose our security privileges or at maximum be fined or imprisoned for bribing public officials.
That's really tragic.
I suppose one alternative is to just tweak that AG's interpretation to where departments are only allowed to pay their employees, but all other spending is restricted.
3:46 what's that small circle that I can't even read? Let's zoom. Oh. Education. That explains a lot...
Here we go again....
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I love how Kenya was casually put there with Japan and US 😂
Love yourself
In India, if the appropriation bill is not passed by 1st February it amounts to a no-confidence motion and the government resigns. So it's the politicians who are out and not the essential service employees.
So they have an entire new government every year?
@@thecrippledpancake9455 Nah, the fear of being out of the government forces them to cooperate
The worst part of a government shutdown is when it also needs to install updates
TSA agents smiling and greeting everyone? Bullsheet! They are the most miserable people ever!
Thank you for this informative video. I've learned a lot about government shut. Prior, I did not understand the impact it's having on essential working people with bills and loved ones they have to care for. Imagine going 35 days without getting paid is though-I think it's going to get wrost for us in the US 😪
America isn't a country its a corporation.
Corporations never shut down for weeks at a time because they can't decide on a budget.
“Shutdown” feels like an intro to the purge
I've said it before and I'll say it again....how is the US even real?
Vox has done videos on this in the past. I’m happy to see that this time they talked with the people most affected by it
I was to also remind though, "without pay" is kind of true, once funding is back, you get back pay. If you are contracted, you do not get back pay (because 1. You aren't working in a shut down, 2. you are not a federal employee)
British person here, do you guys want us to come back now ?
Kind off
Haha 👍
Honestly seems like Belgium should take a shot at it.
Just hold that thought a little longer
how could the US be a global superpower with such a messed up politics ?
Big military. It's the only thing we have over other countries. Threats of death and destruction.
Money and dealing arms in WWII while facing no real on the home front to name a couple of things. There's less disagreement on foreign policy than other things.
@@taylorbug9 I agree with you, the US acts as Alexander the great outside it’s borders, but can’t handle a thing inside it’s borders
Zero accountability
Eventually military wont serve to them anyway, China could probably challenge the US by now and in a few years expel them from Asia, I dont support China, but neither I support the USA
Pass a law that if you can’t pay employees you have to let them go
If congress lets the government shut down there’s no recovering from that
1:59-That's the biggest problem of the constitution!
It leaves too much for interpretation!
Their allowed because the citizens haven't stopped them the August 29, 1786 way.
This is my go to answer every time an American talk about how they are the "greatest country" or, when they try to "educate" developing countries into using a Presidential system instead of a Parliamentary system or a semi-presidential one. You can talk about "Separation of Powers" all you want, bro; parliamentary system will never get a government shutdown.
Also they throw shoes at each other. Think how different Mitch McConnell would behave if he risked taking a Ferragamo to that wrinkled lipless food hole he calls a mouth.
1975 Australia. That would of been a government shutdown.
The difference is what happens when the budget fails to pass.
In that case everyone gets kicked out and a new election is held. Their is nothing stopping a Presidential system from having the same rule nor a parliamentary system shutting down the government without said rule.
This is not the own you think it is.
In India upper house doesn't have a say in financial bills, only lower house have a say which ruling party has a majority in... that can be a solution for USA🤷🏻♂️
The two party system wants no solution, I mean majority of them, not the few with souls and vision of a greater future for USAmericans.
The upper house is the senate which is one of the least democratic places in our government. The senate is usually owned by the party that can't win the popular vote for president.
Wouldn't that be majority mob rule on financial issues?
@@pixality7902 Upper is least democratic in most countries, in India upper house isn't elected (not directly) by the people but still gets to veto bill passed by elected government.
@ThoughtCrime No. Democracy isn't the same as majority mob rule.
Why can't they just redo the budget from last year? Many countries do it anyway.
Us citizens: No paycheck for another week?
Government: I go vacation, bye.
America: we are the best country
also America: ohhh yeah that is a thing too
Lots of Americans have a libertarian bent and view shutting down the government as a positive good.
If you're a federal worker and there is a government shutdown, and you are unable to pay your rent due to not being paid, do you get to tell your landlord that you're a federal worker to get out of being evicted?
No. You can still get evicted.
Hahaha as if renters had rights in the US :D :D :D
@@dave_riots I know it was rhetorical. To point out the dire situation of these poor federal workers.
Showing up without pay is indentured servitude. Shut down shows how much our politicians care about who they represent oh waite its not us its businesses they care about
Third World governments do not shutdown , but instead adopt the same appropriations of the last year until a new budget is approved
that is just embarrassing
That's an easy question to answer. The GOP doesn't want there to be a government. They want to privatize and profit from any and all services.
There's an easy fix for this. If the government shuts down, the employees get payed from the personal pockets of all members of congress and the president until that runs dry. I'm pretty sure they'd get to an agreement rather quickly then.
I have a very simple solution for this… I propose that if the Congress cannot decide itself on a new appropriation bill for the year to come, the same as the one of the previous year will be used in order to prevent Government shutdown.
In the Philippines, when no budget is passed, the reenacted budget is used. Meaning the same budget plan in the previous year will be used.
Kenya is mentioned here and THAT MAKES ME HAPPY. I WANNA CRY!!!
It's interesting when that graph is referenced at 7:30 for increasing political polarization. Not sure how accurate it is but interesting that the liberal portion is marginally increasing while the conservative portion has essentially doubled (increased much more than the liberal portion). It would also be interesting to see the graph go back much further in the countries history (basically as far as it can go).
I love that....I love how the military is prioritized above all else @3:50
The US is basically Sparta at this point.
Well, military spending is actually in the constitution.
@@Dularr okay, but why does it have to be so bloated?
@@2Pish probably cause consistution, and to keep up with the military spending of other superpowers like China and Russia
@@2Pish because the military creates tons of jobs because of all the technology and manufacturing required to make the military run so politicians are willing to put a lot of money into it. This does limit the capabilities of Departments/agencies though which is a big problem.
Honestly, I am so so happy to not live in the USA. I feel sorry for all of you.
The UK would never let this happen.
Actually, the UK would let this happen, and BREXIT is the first sign.
Thank you for your support, though!
@G S
The UK lets this happen more often than the U.S.
POV: Your from Europe/UK and never knew a government shut down existed until now
It feels like the purge sometimes
6:30 you see why can't this country's government be like the officials in South Korea, South Africa, and the Ukraine and settle disputes by throwing a few hay makers. it seems like diplomacy WITHOUT breaking a few noses and knocking a few teeth out is NOT getting us anywhere
The solution is simple: if Congress cannot agree on a budget, congress should not get paid.
USA citizen 1: Bro today the our government is shut down
USA citizen 2: How do you know?
USA citizen 1: The public trash that we saw about two days ago, it still full today
Man, that is sad. It should have been criminal to ask essential work to come to office, but not being paid until the funding is approved!
As seen in my household: Child: “Dad, do you know when you’re gonna get paid again?”
Dad: “Boy, you better mind your business and get outta my face!”