What Happens to Sindri After Ragnarok EXPLAINED - God of War Ragnarok Sindri’s Fate
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Why Sindri will NEVER forgive Atreus and Kratos
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So what do YOU think folks? Will Sindri ever forgive Atreus? Could this begin a time travelling story arch?!
That part of the story is a stupid thing, Sindri blames Kratos and Atreus for Brok's death, he has the same part of his death like everybody else, hell he said in the Temple of the Lake that gave them everything and he has nothing now. I know that Brok died before so Sindri somewhat (if you can call it) was prepared for it.
I am not saying forgive straight away but Sindri Got his revenge, True it wont bring Brok back but now he can move on.
Blaming everybody except yourself is not gonna good for him
My guess is there will be a scene in Egypt where Sindri is forced to come to terms with what happened to Brok. I feel like if the Gang saves the mythos side of Egypt I feel like the reward for Sindri's part in it all would be Osiris bringing back Broks spirit one last time and this time its gonna be Brok letting loose on Sindri for wasting the heart he has. I could definitely see if Osiris brought back Brok cause he still had some words to say to Sindri. It would be like: "SINDRI! WHY ARE YOU STILL CRYING OVER ME! Brother! you've always had a heart big enough for the both of us quit crying over me when we got a family maybe not by blood but by friendship that cared tons about us. Sure the squirt *points his finger at Atreus* screwed the effing hell up got me killed but I was already DEAD. You got too much to keep living for you got our new family to look after and you got OUR LEGACY to carry on. AND I"LL HAUNT YOU FROM MY GRAVE, GOD DAMN IT if you keep acting like a sad sob over me!!!
Make me proud now to be your brother I wanna see what history you can make that will cement us in the history books. I wanna look down and see you be a LEGEND that is older and longer than those damn norse gods.
I could totally see a post-game DLC of a quest to complete Brock's soul.
Sindri wont be able to forgive Atreus until he forgives himself.
Sindri may eventually forgive Boy and Father.... but he is not going to try to bring Brok back again.... simply because Brok's dying words to him were "you gotta stop".
Sindri may be mad at Atreus and Kratos ,but deep down he knows his brothers fate is his own doing just as much as it is Odin's
Exactly why he will NEVER forgive them, because he will never forgive himself.
@@VideoGameSophistry That depends on him , and on the same token - I believe some part of him still loves his friends Atreus and Kratos dearly, otherwise he may have turned on them during the Ragnarok battle
@@masonabbey6353 I thought he only helped as it was his only way to have revenge on Odin as regardless of himself, Kratos, or Atreus playing an unknowing part Odin was the one to actually kill him. So he was so full of rage that it didn’t matter who he would use to get to Odin.
id wait for the moment to hurt them the most if they were responsible for the death of my brother cause they were
@@BelgotLeons What if you were the one who denied your brother an afterlife?
Brok is a hero, and the only one who saw through Odins disguise. Everyone else in that moment was just ready and willing to go along with "Tyr's" plan. Brok died while saving everyone else that day. That's how I'll always remember it.
Brok always had an eye for detail and a good sense of people's character.
if you listen to odin after getting draupnir, he says “i never liked brok anyway” then he stabs him, maybe foreshadowing?
The best Character in GOW series
@@finnheisenheim8274yeah cus first tyr just calls atreus by his name and then he just randomly starts to call him loki and it indeed sounded suspicious when he told them about a secret passage instead of telling before going to vannaheim and stuff
There's a key piece of dialogue you're missing that does suggest that Sindri will forgive Kratos and Atreus and move on with his life. During the post game when at Sindri's house Freya and Mimir wonder if Sindri will ever return after everything that happens. And Kratos simply says "We Will Maintain it (the house) until his return."
This suggest that Kratos, of all people, not only thinks that Sindri will return but that, in time, he will forgive everyone including himself for Brok's death. This is even suggested during the cutscene when you meet up with Sindri after Brok's death with him saying "Mourn how you wish."
Fans have pointed out that by the end of the game Sin has basically turned into Kratos and I think Kratos sees the same thing. He knows what it means to lose yourself to grief and loss to the point that you no longer care about anything but revenge and once you have achieved that, there's nothing left. All you can do is move on and hope that you can find something else worth living for.
I think Sindri will forgive Atreus as he did help in the final battle and was even going to take on Thrud to save Atreus. No matter what he says, Sindri does still care about his friends, he's just consumed by grief.
Bigger question is will Sindri ever find it to forgive himself?
You can't move on when your selfish actions causes the person you care about most in the world to suffer a fate worse than death. He'll never forgive himself.
Kratos has done worse and managed to forgive himself. Sindri is hurting. For the longest time it's just been him and Brok, whom he depended on to feel whole. He's trying to come to terms with his inability to fix what he himself destroyed. He feels helpless. Blaming Kratos and Atreus is how he's attempting to make sense of what happened and while they do share a portion of the blame for what happened to Brok, deep down he knows that he is mostly to blame. The end when he shrugged Kratos off for trying to console him, he went through several emotions at once. Anger, grief, doubt, shame, all reflected in his eyes.
Sindri will be fine, but it may take a while and he may go through some character arc like Freya did where he needs to find a way to become whole without Brok.
One of the reasons Kratos would offer to maintain Sindri's house until his return is that Kratos does feel responsible for Brok's unnecessary death. Yes, they were all fooled by Odin, but Kratos is a leader and would take on the entire blame if it meant the others could move on. He can handle the guilt because he's had to do it before after killing his own family after being tricked by Ares. I think he knows Sindri will have to battle his own guilt and may come out on the other side and be ready to resume a life, and the least Kratos and the others can do is to keep his house nice for him.
@@VideoGameSophistry He doesn't need to forgive, so much as come to terms and learn that he has more to his family now than just Brok. I think Kratos should tell Sindri instead of grieving a path of ruin like Kratos did in Greece. Make the suggestion of making a monument or statue in honor of Brok. Build something in honor of Brok and then make something that would be able to ensure peace and protection to what Sindri still has to care about. Use Brok's loss to learn from rather than suffer in silence. Also that Brok would want Sindri to go on living happily and to keep their legacy going.
As sad as it was I absolutely LOVED that Sindri didn't forgive them. It is a very realistic reaction and gives a character far more depth.
Totally agree
Sindri know he fucked up that’s why he won’t forgive them because he is at fault also more than ordin, Atreus never should’ve went looking for tyr and kratos was right about not wanting to go at first but his son kept twisting his arm
I don’t think I remember a character in any media not forgiving the main characters in this way come the end. That is, if this is the end.
Should there be an Atreus spin off game - Sindri is likely to be the big bad.
Exactly. Would’ve been a complete cop out to just have him sweep everything under the rug
It also adds to the theme of the game.
"Actions have consequences", everything work out for Atreus in the end, except his one other mentor, friend and one who would give almost anything for him.
He didn't lose a friend, but two.
Brok would be ashamed if he learned Sindri is using his death as an excuse to sever all ties with his friends. I think Sindri knows this, but he just doesn't care anymore. He's essentially become Kratos and Freya, all because he couldn't do the one thing they did: let go.
It takes a long time to move on from such a death especially after knowing that your broher has essentially been denied an afterlife.
That why kratos and Freya minir are going to look for him in next game
To be fair it took a lot for both of them to move on
The current Sindri reminds me of Kratos’s old self, because both of them had a hand in destroying their families and we all saw what Kratos did with all that pain.
@@The-Mountain-King101 that why kratos wants to help sindri to overcome his hatred
One possible way to reintroduce Sindri into the next saga is by having Atreus leaving for Egypt to not only find giants but also looking for soul magic to bring back Brok. Since the afterlife is such a big component of Egyptian mythology we might find a solution to find Brock’s missing soul piece.
One possible option would be to have a big timeskip happen with Hel being brought to life since she is the goddess of the underworld but i don't think the devs would do all that just for Sindri lol.
Nah brok requested that sindri let him go.
@@TriggeringOpinionsandFacts since when did any of these characters followed the instructions they were told? 😅
Kratos has literally travelled through time. Twice, I think. And Jormungandr did, too. There's little evidence suggesting anyone in the Norse Pantheon can actually CONTROL time travel, and honestly I think they'd need Odin's power to do so (barring any Norse god I'm unfamiliar with). As far as a quick Google search tells me, the Norns are the only ones who could help. Urd/Urth (I don't have a Norse keyboard so I have to go with the 2 options Wikipedia gave me for typing it) is apparently the representation of the past, while one is the present, and the 3rd the future.
I'd say Kratos could meet Sindri again and be like, "I have an idea about how to bring Brok back, if that is what you truly wish. But it cannot be done from these lands, and neither you nor Atreus would survive the journey. Will you trust me, one last time, to do all that I can, to bring Brok back to you?" And then he could search for any remnants in Olympus, none of which would be able to help him, so he could then go to Egypt. Because apparently that's the next pantheon. Atreus and Angrboda will likely already be going there, but since Atreus wanted to kind of have a solo journey, this is how I think we could get them in the same area, but at different times, until towards the end where they likely meet and perhaps even part again. (If Atreus hasn't finished his journey. And I have no reason to suspect he'd be able to over the course of basically 1 game)
@@TriggeringOpinionsandFacts Sindri and Kratos are a lot similar in a lot of ways. When Ares manipulated Kratos into killing his own family the latter was at the lowest point of despair imaginable, like the way Sindri is rn after losing Brok once more. What happens to him after this game is still unknown but it depends on what Sindri decides to do, either finds peace and forgiveness within himself or raze out the entire pantheon like what Kratos once did. However, Sindri is a dwarf and nowhere near to reaching godhood and it would be impossible to do the latter option so he might just be a pain in the ass like Freya was in the beginning of the game.
I like how the game finally shows how they simply disappear when they teleport. They always teleport off camera, but after broks death, sindris teleports are now always directly seen
It’s still kind of confusing with the whole dragon thing. Their explanation is that it doesn’t work on them but if he’s simply just teleporting to a new location or realm, why does it matter? Do they really just step between realms? And do they go through the same process as Kratos and Atreus just without the need for a stone? Can dragons just yank you out? I don’t think they can? They aren’t like Fenrir/Garm. It’d make sense if a creature like that could catch them. Maybe the dragon from the mountain was one of those ones that used to be a dwarf? I don’t remember if it was. I kinda doubt it was. And in Ragnarok, Sindri says how “it doesn’t work like that” when Atreus questions if he could simply poof down below. But we see that’s exactly how it works when Atreus gets mad and he poofs into his room. I’m thinking about it too hard I know lol.
It's chilling honestly. Just finished it today.
@@thatoneguy1232I look about once a month for a deep dive into how there teleportation thing works, it’s so fascinating. And the fact that only a select few dwarves have said ability. I think Mimir mentions how it’s probably a guild taught ability, which makes it even more interesting! Why does just that guild have the power and where did it come from? Also how does Odin prevent them from just teleporting into Asgard if the ability is so rare? So many questions, so little answers! I really hope Sindri returns in the next game with Lündra, I must know more about these dwarves.
@@thatoneguy1232All the realms are in the same physical space, and when you travel between realms you are just moving to different “zones” of the same physical space. I think the explanation for the dragon is that they used to be dwarves, but I’m not sure if all of them were
A neat detail about Sindri, after Brok dies, is that he just stops caring about what made him himself. He stopped wearing gloves, his armor is filthy with old blood, he stops walking off camera to use the disappear ability, and he stops being tactful and polite. Rather he's blunt, cold, and irritable. He even challenges Kratos' space after Kratos tries to console him during Brok's funeral even though he knows damn well that's an unwinnable fight.
One of the things that is most heartbreaking for me about Sindri is that if he wants to be alone, he WILL be. His ability to literally disappear makes it really difficult to "be there" for him, if he wanted to, he could be alone for a long time... and loneliness with grief can be dangerous.
But I think the best decision that Kratos made was choosing to wait for Sindri at his house, that way, if Sindri ever goes back, he wouldn't find an empty house, slowly filling with dust and decaying, maybe he would see that his house is taken care of, that the rooms are still being used, and he doesn't have to be alone.
On the flip side, Sindri wanting to be alone and noticing that Kratos & Atreus are still in his home would have him grow so much resentment towards them. I think Kratos & Atreus should return home and visit periodically
He'll come around next game. It'll be a while from now but he will come around and it'll be admitting his mistakes as much as forgiving.
I figure Sindri will forgive Atreus eventually, or at least come to better terms. Freya went from "I will perform every violation on your body, and feed your soul to the vilest creatures in Hel" to fighting alongside him. It might take a few years, but it happens.
Maybe Sindri should not have been helping Atreus find Tyr. Finding the fake Tyr is just as much Sindri's fault as Atreus'.
@DDOG2006There is also some differing circumstances. Kratos has long had his revenges and he already heavily lived that life, learned, and moved on. Freya had an outlet of retargeting her hate to Odin, which also allowed bonding with Kratos and fam along the way to ease things. Sindri though, he immediately got his revenge when his grieving had barely even set in. He will have a lot more brooding to come, but with no big antagonist to constantly target and focus on. His anger at Atreus/Kratos is probably something he needs to even keep going on living. Without that, he would have even less, unless it's him moving on of course.
Sindri wont forgive Atreus until he learns to forgive himself.
Nah Sindri can forgive everyone but Atreus. Atreus didn't even go to Brooks funeral.
Atreus is the one who just uses his friends and family.
@@PhyllisLane-xj5ufit's 100% sindris fault. He split his own brother's soul after stealing it back. Brok would be chilling in Valhalla right now atleast. Brok even forgave him for bringing him back even though that was also against his wishes. Sindri is blaming atrues a teenager who got fooled by the all father who also fooled everyone including mimir. He's just in denial no one said it this harshly prob due to him still in mourning. But realistically sindri is at fault from the start. He screwed his own brother's after life
I think something that is also heartbreaking is how Sindri ignored one of Brok’s final wishes: “But y’gotta stop. Y’gotta let go.”
Instead, Sindri became super bitter, and put a lot of anger and blame on not only Kratos and Atreus, but also himself
:(
The thing about Sindri being upset is…he knew he played a huge part in his brothers fate as well. If he had let him die in the first place the pain of losing him again wouldn’t have been so heavy on him.
not to mention Brok would've had an afterlife. As it stands, Brok is simply and utterly gone.
I highly doubt "soul magic" or whatever theory people come up with will happen. Direction is but one part of a person's soul in Norse Mythology. One that isn't even necessary as Sindri managed to bring Brok back from death without it. So having ONLY that piece will do him no good. And if they could find the rest of his soul... then there would be no need for all this drama. They'd just gather and put the three pieces of Brok's soul back together and revive him. All signs point to that no longer being possible.
@@lemao2222 not to forget that the smartest head alive even stated, "Atreus, if there was anything we could do, I promise you, we'd be doing it".
Yeah but it was atreus was the one that led to his death and sindri reasons are justified because he did gave him warnings but atreus ignores him and treated him like second place
Deep down Sindri still cares about Atreus. During Ragnarok when Thrud attacked Atreus for 'betraying' her, Sindri wanted to defend Atreus by almost attacking Thrud. Atreus even said "Sindri no she is a friend!"
I am sure he still cares about Atreus. Just like Freya, he just needs time to forgive him.
I viewed it as a tactical play. Since Atreus gave away Sindris position, it'd make sense to back away and have Thrud have to shift her focus back on a not so defenseless Atreus.
I was actually surprised that getting the last piece of Brok's soul wasn't a side mission at some point in the game.
It would be more of a “main quest arc” than a “side mission”
What if, that is the solution? Sin only got 3 of his 4 souls. What if Brok's sole that was left is still there? Maybe the next story line will be sindri doing everything he can to get that one last soul of Brok either to bring him back or give him an afterlife..
If this ever exists then the writing team really dropped the ball
@@peepeepoopoo7723
I agree. As much as i hate, as much as i loathe to say it hes gone. Theres no bringing him back. In truth Brok died before the Game even started. Sindris journey will have to be acceptance.
@@peepeepoopoo7723 in the interviews game director said to make the 2nd game brok needs to die. No writer error on that part.
During the funeral scene, you could tell that Sindri was conflicted. He brushed off Kratos’s hand and turned around as if to snap at him again, but I think Sindri at least noticed that Kratos understood the pain of that type of loss. Maybe that Kratos was hurting too, with memories of Deimos being brought to the forefront. Sindri will likely need time to process things and it won’t be pretty, but he’ll work through it.
The fact Brok died was brought on by Atraeus and Kratos is without question.
The fact he is denied an afterlife is all on Sindri, and the dwarf knows it. I think at the end he was too ashamed to talk to anyone. Making it as anger, sure... but in the end, he's once again dishonoring Brok by not letting go. All his brother wanted was for Sindri to move on and find peace.
That being said, it should be a great setup for a redemption arc in the next God of War game, which hopefully will be retitled and follow Atraeus. I'd love to see the series developed.
If it’s titled God of War kratos has to be at least playable, i would play a spin off game but there’s no god of war without kratos. Shooting a bow and arrow the whole game would kill me
@@caspercasper5413 I wonder if he took Freyr's sword with him when he left, he seemed to like it.
@@caspercasper5413 or maybe Atreus will go to Japan in next game and get himself some nice brand new weapons. Developers in interview stated that Tyr's animations (after you free him from Odin's prison) are hinting where will new game be.
Eric Williams believes that Sindri will never forgive Atreus and Kratos. I think he is satisfied with the reaction this has provided.
Uh.. can I ask what is "denied an afterlife" mean? Sorry I don't really get it 😓
It's sad he honors his brother's memory by hating those his brother loved.
Even worse is that Sindri may be considering that even if Brok lived a normal life, when he eventually died he’d end up in the same situation, no afterlife. Or maybe if he’s told Brok, Kratos and Atreus, earlier, they may have tried to help reclaim the missing part of his soul or be more careful of Brok’s safety.
Sindri losing Brok was heart breaking, but it is more heart breaking when he cut ties with Kratos and Atreus. To think, this has me flashback to losing a friend due to my mistakes in Senior Year of High School and she still doesn't want to talk to me.
this game shows very maturely that change is not always for the better and that everybody can be a reason to another's demise.
Actions have consequences. You only can control how you live with those consequences.
Sindri could not mourn properly. He might not hate them but will not help them either any longer.
Atreus especially has to basically restore Brok's soul to ever get along with Sindri.
This might be a very cool adventure hook with the result being open.
Sindri will probably forgive Atreus and Kratos. He knows that everyone was fooled by Odin and right now he's just in grief and pain and just needs and outlet. They'll definitely go through some rough times but they'll rekindle their bond. Sindri deep down knows he still loves and cares for them.
Or he cutes ties with them cause their bonds broken
Brok's death broke Sindri not once but twice. The second time is unfortunately permanent. Grief and anger are powerful emotions and right now Sindri wants blood. I have a feeling, even after the death of Odin, he will be the next 'Kratos' and it's possible that his next target is Atreus. At the moment, he's leaving Kratos alone cause I have a feeling he knows about his own brother so, pain-wise, he can't completely blame Kratos. Any thoughts?
He is no match for kratos or atreus
Odin killed Brok. Kratos and Atreus shouldn't have the blame in all this! It's dumb!
@@christhechilled Well, he's currently blinded with rage to ever realize it wasn't their fault when Odin had everyone completely fooled to think it was actual Tyr. But, Atreus does have some part to blame on his mistakes by provoking Odin when both, him & Sindri, try to find Tyr and try to pretend to work with Odin. Especially getting caught by his father and everyone questioned Atreus motive if he was with them or against them then made him lose control of his power & attacked Sindri.
Atreus lost control of a power he doesn't have full control of. He is also a teenager with a mountain like burden. He accelerated it but it all needed to happen anyway. Tyr had everyone fooled even Freya. Brok saw through some of it but he wasn't even sure. Atreus wanted to end with 0 blood shed. He did not get his wish unfortuantly.
Brok was the smartest character in the new series, he saw Tyr for what he was, a lazy coward. So when he suddenly decides to help Brok rightfully wants some answers
Mimir, kratos, freya, sindri, atreus. Only Brok saw the inconsistency and if he hadn't they would have all died. So as much as Broks death hurts, he saved everyone else
That line of his voice breaking on "Not even my family." Absolutely broke my heart. Excellent performance from the actor.
I think his rage towards Atreus over this loss also stems from Atreus' rudely yelling about him being "sick of little people's little problems" in the last game. He may have forgiven him for that but is likely not forgotten. To see Brok die in front of his eyes, Sindiri's reminded of those cruel words and now thinks of Atreus as the same as Odin.
He took advantage and arrogantly did it in his way, which led to many problems. Also, atreus was being a smuck to him and was indirectly led to brok death so yeah sindri is justified in this part
@@brandr7964 True but I think Sindri ultimately knows (like Freya does) that his inability to let go caused it. Even without Kratos/Atreus if Brok ever died or eventually would, the result would still be the same.
Only way there may be a reconciliation is if they find Brok’s direction soul piece and then use it to find the other 3 pieces then combining them to bring him a true afterlife.
Yep, this is the answer
They burned his body its too late to find the rest of his soul to give him a afterlife
Doubt it, the direction part likely just shows the soul to the Light in alfheim, it wouldnt show just anything holding it the way to the rest of the soul. The rest is probably completely just missing
I hope so this could be done in the next game. Atreus is skilled with soul magic and could possibly find Brok's direction piece and retrieve the missing 3. He and Kratos has defied and changed their fate, so saving Brok is possible.
NOPE.......you just gotta let it go. Broks not returning from this. Its the end of his arc.......just accept it instead of being in denial
I think this series needs to be a trilogy. Two games just isn't enough to tell the stories that need to be told.
If only there was an optional quest to visit Alfheim and the Lake of Souls to retrieve the final piece of Brok's soul (if the piece could be retrieved that is.) Atreus using his magic to handle souls as he did with Fenrir, perhaps he could have retrieved the piece and placed in a marble. I'm not certain if Freya could have revived Brok like she did Mimir.
They can't he's missing a soul and denied an afterlife, he basically doesn't exist anymore because he doesn't even have an afterlife, so he ain't even in heaven or hel, like Mimir said if he's revived without all the souls it won't be at the Lake of Souls
You don't get it, do you? Brok doesn't want to live like that anymore. Did you miss the part where he got upset when he realized that he was just revived?
The current Sindri reminds me of Kratos’s old self, because both of them had a hand in destroying their families and we all saw what Kratos did with all that pain.
In grief like that you're absolutely willing to do what it takes to get them back (even if it's just memories you visit in a dark room). The anger, emptiness, and astonishingly heavy ache of their absence is incomprehensible to anyone who's not yet felt it's endlessly deep burn. If anything he's so busy hating himself he won't have time to hate the others. How he handles the self ravaging of his own guilt will play the biggest role.
If the writers even care to go a realistic route.
I think the writers made the right decision in Sindri not forgiving them, but I think they intentionally-its the entire theme of the game-set it up so that he will eventually. He is following in Kratos footsteps, succumbing to grief and regret. It took Kratos moving across the globe and who knows how many years to forgive himself. Sindri will have to go through the same process. The entire series points to this in my opinion.
*I believe Sindri will become a MAJOR villain in future stories, Here me out!* Sindri has all the hallmarks of great complex villain:
1) All villians see themselves as the hero of their own story. Sindri will see whatever he is doing as justified or heroic. In Ragnarok, Sindri refused to put more of his people's lives at risk to fight for other people's wars. I can see Sindri rising to the ranks of a leader of his people to protect and rebuild his enslaved society. This can lead to tyranny even under noble intentions.
2) Loss changes people. Sindri has clearly changed after Brok's death. If you have ever lost a child, or loved one, you never recover from that. For many people, they go down a very dark path trying to cope and those actions have consequences you can't come back from.
3) God of War has always had main villians that are smart tactician types. People that outsmart Kratos like Odin or Zeus were always a bigger threat than mindless massive monster type.
4) Guilt - Sindri has lots of things he feels guilty about regarding Brok. He lied to him about being dead. He feels guilt for being outcasts among his people due to that choice. He feels guilt for going along with Kratos war path. Villians use guilt to place it on others to fuel their justifications for horrible actions.I can see Sindri looking back and shifting his blame to the Gods that enslaved his people.
5) Road to Hell - I can see Sindri starting off trying to protect any more loss of his people's lives, and ultimately leading to an extreme final solution. I can see Sindri seeing all Gods (good or bad) as needing to be destroyed as a way to protect his people. He may even kill these Gods' innocent followers as needing to be killed as well. All for the greater good Sindri sees . History is filled with events like this.
6) Betrayal - Sindri gave a great speech after the loss of Brok. He feels used and betrayed. He gave everything he had to people outside his family with no expectation of getting anything in return. His friendship can be seen as one sided considering how much was taken versus how much was given. When you are betrayed at such a core level, it's a poison.
7) Tragedy - God of war is filled with themes of tragedy. Sindri, a former friend, turning into your adversary you know you have to kill would be tragic. Unlike previous villians in God of War, you really don't want to kill Sindri. You will want to save him, but it's like a beloved family dog that has turned rabid. You have to put him down and that does not change all the past memories.
And then Time Travel gets involved and now Sindri would have a Motivation to be doing even more wicked deeds possibly even changing the prophecy as well as events of Ragnarok for the worst!?
That would Explain the Horn and possibly even the Effects used in God of War 2018 it was Sindri who blew the Horn but a Sindri of the Future a Time Travelling Invader
That pantheon is closed
Perhaps, but then again… Perhaps not.
Athena will use Sindris hate for her own Agenda
The fact that he chose to fight with them says a lot, I think he has forgiven them to a very small percentage,Freya on the other hand was out for murder and had to be talked down in a way 💯
It was pretty heart breaking to see how filthy Sindri was at the Midgard forge (right before telling us off). It showed just how broken he was.
They can't leave Sindri's story here, he MUST come back in a later game. He has to. Has to :(
Thats how I feel. I really hate they left it like this and also feel it was a bit unfair and unlike Sindir to act like this. I understand why the writers did this to his character, I just dont like that it was left like that.
After hearing cometary from the writers and them saying Tyrs cuts scenes after he’s released are clues for the next location. I think they will more then likely be going to china but, even if they go to Egypt I feel they could have sindir go back in time and they have to find all Brok soul bits This way Fayra could heel him enough to not die. Or sindir goes back and intervenes and save Brok and that causes big issues the group has to fix with out losing Brok again. There are a few ways they can go with the future game. I just hope they use the sindir story because I would hate for them to leave his story the way they did.
His part is over. This isn’t a Disney movie sometimes good people get the bad ending. Sindri unfortunately got the bad ending.
@@Zazzaro703 sad, but true. One can hope though
Might be a weird take but we as the players also have to move on as well and not just want to have some characters back all the time. I really hope Sindri could move on, it might take him a long time though.
Just like the quest with the whale that Mimir enslaved in the past which Kratos and his companion freed....
There are some sins and mistakes that you can't fix no matter how hard you try.
It’s crazy how sindri just switched after broks death. Became this blood lusted individual set on vengeance. But he needs to know that Brok already died and brought back to life.
Great video mate!
I subscribe to the theory that Sindri will forgive them, but it will take a while before that; because there are bits where it shows that he doesn't completely hate them; deep down, he knows that this is not their fault, if he indeed did, he wouldn't go out of his way to try to protect Atreus from Thor's daughter, nor step back when Atreus told him to, let alone allow Kratos and Freya to be present in his brother's funeral. There is room for reconciliation, but it's going to take a while
Sindri should become a major antagonist by the next game.
The gods killed his brother and only family, despite loyally serving them throughout the games. We'd get a taste of what it feels like for a seemingly insignificant mortal to defy the gods, when they're pushed to their absolute limit.
Or in short, we made our own Kratos.
Brok and sindris fate in this game hurt me more than 90 percent of video game protagonists deaths, brok died and was robbed an afterlife because of his brothers past actions, sindri went from being a selfless and kind hearted dwarf to an angry broken man that has nothing left but pain and regret
I can only imagine that Odin was cursing everything during his few seconds of what only might have been conscious afterlife in that ball.
People deal with grief in different ways. Sindri cannot bear to accept Brok's fate, so he transfers that blame to Kratos and Loki. It wasn't them who went to the Lake of Souls to get Brok back, and it wasn't them who kept it a secret either. It was selfish of Sindri to deny his brother's afterlife, and he will slowly come to terms with that decision, eventually.
Sindri's transferring his own feelings of guilt onto Atreus, because in the end what's the less bitter pill to swallow: that YOU are responsible for your brothers soul lost and wandering in Limbo for eternity, or attaching blame to a readily available person who is already feeling guilty as is? Wouldn't that make Sindri a terrible person for doing that? I have 2 aunts that haven't spoken in 20yrs, so I have seen this drama play itself out in real life.
Atreus was indirectly responsible for brok death for being arrogant and obnoxious so yeah sindri has every right to break their friendship because he treated him like second place why you think Atreus feel incredible guilty about this? It's his fault
@@brandr7964Responding late but Sindri helped him with all of it. He helped him access the shrines, he helped him rescue fake Tyr, he was willing to make a weapon to kill Heimdall. Sindri was just as responsible as anyone, he is the reason Atreus pursued any of his plans
The developers confirmed this is the last game in Norse Mythology, so if they do anything, it'll be a dlc. It's not the last GOW though, so if anything, Sindri may travel to another land like Egypt to see if he can bring Brok back.
If Freya can forgive Kratos... I think Sindri can forgive Loki in time.
I hope not. The people need evil Sindri
No highly doubt that it's official broken cause atreus took too much advantage of him but he won't go "evil" like freya it's just that he does not want to be a part of his life he cuts ties
@@bobolo9978 there won't be a evil sindri. Rather broken sindri
Going by all the little details in the game, I think there might be something of a future complex fetch quest relating to finding all four of the soul parts throughout the nine realms. Having died in essentially the rift between all realms, it's quite possible that each of Brok's three remaining soul parts wandered into different realms. They weren't outright destroyed and should thus still exist (unless a Soul Eater or some other soul decaying element came into play). At the very least, the direction part should still exist within the well of souls.
It’s because of Atreus and kratos that he even reconciled with Brock in the first place Sindri isn’t the only one who world was destroyed because of Odin I believe because of this they may reconcile in the future
I agree with the idea of DLC involving Sindri. My take is that Atreus found a way to find the missing part of Brok's soul to make it whole again so Sindri can make sure his brother will find a place to be in the afterlife.
And maybe Brok’s soul can talk some sense into Sindri and give him closure before departing. In all of his glorious crassness of course.
Sindri Blames himself also for this.
He knows his contribution towards the outcome burdens Him. Deep down he wants to reflect his anger towards the boy and kratos. But deep down he also knows it’s his fault also.
While I really hope they don’t make Sindri out to be a full on antagonist in the next game, maybe he might be a half-antagonist at the start, one thing I can see is how maybe the next Pantheon or group of Pantheons will manipulate him into believing there is a way to bring back Brok from oblivion, essentially breaking the will of the entire cosmos. The catch? Kill the Ghost of Sparta and The Trickster God. Even though Sindri is done with helping gods, this might be his only chance to save Brok. Of course, the gods are lying to him, and maybe at this point Sindri breaks and becomes more angry and depressed. Until he hears the echos of Brok saying that he forgives him but he has to stop and let it go. The final words and promise of his brother and yet he still acted selfishly. I think at this point Sindri will begin let it go and instead of seeking vengeance or seeking a way to bring Brok back, he learns to accept he is truly gone. And though he will never forgive Atreus, he won’t forgive himself either until he finds peace somewhere. No more sadness or destruction. Sindri will find a place where he can move on.
Most likely, Loki will use Angraboda and himself with the "giant stuff" magic to escort whatever is left of brok's soul *to* the lake of souls in Alfhiem, and therefore fix Sindri's greatest mistake.
He is a God after all, and very keen with soul magic, Loki isn't just looking for Giants, he's looking for Brok. Once he is in the afterlife, after Loki acts as his direction (just as he did in real life, since Brok was directionless before he met Atreus) and joins the lake of souls, Sindri can take peace in knowing his greatest fear is fixed, and therefore can forgive himself, and realize that Atreus deserves forgiveness as well.
Maybe in the next God of War? More than likely DLC.
"All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy."
-Joker
Well, we know travel through time is at least feasable since Thor sent the World Serpent back in time when they were fighting. If nothing else, Sindri could find the last fragment of Broks soul and with Kratos and Atraeus help complete Broks soul so he can at least find the afterlife.
As sad and dramatic as Brok's death was, Atreus could've done something. I mean, he's able to take someone's soul and put it into stuff like his knife or giant marbles temporarily. There's nothing that woulve stopped him from doing the same to Brok and I'm sure Sindri would not have minded forging him a new body.
broks soul is incomplete, otherwise freya could've healed him. due to his soul not being complete that would not work
No, because Broks soul was already in complete in the first place, because of Sindri. According to Mimir “when a soul isn’t complete, the whole being suffers.” in Brok kinda confirmed that’s been the case he “woke up.” That’s why when he died again he wanted to stay dead, and told Sindri to just move on.
I think there's a lot of moving parts to consider but ultimately I do think Sindri could one day forgive Atreus. To start with Atreus is not the one who killed Brok and while it was Atreus' idea to find Tyr, no one objected and they were all fooled. I also think Sin feels worse because he never got to confess to Brok about bringing him back from the dead and leaving a part of his soul. I think the guilt from that is really what's tearing Sin up but, like most people he'd probably look to blame someone else before he blames himself. I think the path for him going forward has already been laid out by Freya and it took some time but eventually she did come back. She had to forgive Kratos, the actual person who killed her son and she was able to do that. Sindri also commented that now he doesn't even have his family to which Atreus reacted saying he thought they were also Sindri's family so I think that Sindri, deep down felt that at some time too. It'll probably take a long time but I don't think he's willing to throw away those bonds forever; not when they are all he actually has left.
Cory "the first casualty of war is innocents"
Me "Fuck that...I demand DLC or a new game where Sindri becomes our friend again and we manage to send broks soul to eternal peace and his memory becomes a source of comfort for all who knew him!....I am not asking too much here!"
I feel worse knowing that Atreus and Kratos inviting all these people to Sindri’s home. Ever since they came they were followed by “Tyr”, Freya’s antagonism, Atreus turning into a bear and injuring Sindri when he clearly showed fear anytime it was mentioned. The same bear breaking his door, and a bunch of mob’s right outside because Atreus freed Garm. And it just keeps going. His home was no longer safe and peaceful just by Atr
I think years later, Sindri and Atreus are going to rekindle their friendship through Atreus's daughter Hela. I feel there is great potential in Sindri's story moving forward if it includes an adoptive familial relationship with the daughter of the person he hates the most. Sindri might never forgive Atreus, but to at least bond over the care for Hela, could at least restore Sindri's trust and respect toward him. Not so much as forgiving him, but deciding that there was something more important than his hatred, and that would be Hela.
imagine if atreus daughter is athena 2
@@dondeka2086 that would be hela
Possible ways I see this leading to future games: Sindri transforms into a dragon because losing everything he holds dear turns to possessiveness and greed (which turns dwarves into dragons): and/or he sets off in search of Brok’s soul in other afterlives (Egyptian, Aztec, etc), with Atreus trying to protect and save him in turn.
Omg you got a point he could turn into a Chinese dragon and the next mythos being Chinese possibly he could be heralded as a god there!
What I think is interesting here is that the game never says that souls cease to be, it specifically says that a soul without direction can't find the lake of souls, that being the case where does the soul go? as the possibility exists that the soul continues to exist but isn't where it should be, in theory if we want to go with a more lighthearted outlook, that means that could encounter Brok's soul bits yet still somewhere where they shouldn't be.
Hmm well i already know that the developer said that Ragnarok won’t get a DLC but i think a spin off could be possible with the plot being about Atreus journey to a new land but he gets waylaid near the start when he sees Sindiri fighting Thrud for Mjolnir, after all it was the weapon that sent Jormungand back in time
There is nothing wrong with him becoming antagonistic in the future, mainly because I don't think any other characters have been written cheaply in this regard before anyway, it has always deeper than that to the credit of the writers. I personally am more worried about him being made similar to Freya and becoming forgiving in the same fashion, if anything. I think his grudge should be a bigger battle for him and he could have a bigger transformation into someone even more threatening, someone who might be seen as a physically weak dwarf, but his knowlege and skill is almost unknown and possibly more dangerous than brute force. It would be cool too see what he's capable of with the anger that might drive him now. Whatever his goals would be in the future, I also think he could be someone who manipulates not unlike Odin himself. An example is how he stole the kill from Atreus/Kratos/Freya, when he was absent from since outside the wall. He was apparently watching the whole time to ensure Odin's death, and swiftly made his move out of nowhere to make it happen.
I don't think Sindri forgiving anyone will come about any time soon. From Brok's death to the end of the game, that pain is still so fresh, he still feels that seething anger at all responsible, Atreus and Kratos for finding Tyr, Odin for the deception of everyone and murder of his brother, perhaps even some anger at Freya for taking too long at the standoff with Odin while he was begging for help.
Moreover, he risked his life to bring his brother back and even after all that effort, Brok was never whole again and the guilt Sindri would be feeling would be absolutely gut-wrenching, to deny his own brother an afterlife. Knowing that effort was now all for nothing. The fact that Sindri already lost Brok once and couldn't accept it and now he has no way to bring him back a second time.
I believe in time, Sindri will forgive Atreus and Kratos but I think he first has to forgive himself and pull himself out of that hole and even that could take a long time. Sure, he might not ever be the same again, but acceptance is only the first of several stages of grief.
The thing is whether Brok got killed again or died a natural death his soul would be lost because of the actions Sindri took in reclaiming Brok soul
The fact that it’s a clear relation to Freya and Kratos when he killed her son sets up Loki’s own villain
I think this might be the base for the next Mythological place that they would visit. That perhaps Brok soul went on to another underwold, or something like that, and Sindri in an attempt to bring it back provoke the gods of those lands. I don't know why, but Mesoamerican Myths come to mind, as Mictlan is only one of the underworlds, they were multiple, depending on how do you died, and Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca story is also a tale of two brothers who drift over time. I think it fits very well to tie the two stories of brothers. Not to mention that Mesoamerica Pantheon is already confirm as canon.
Possible, heard some tales of dwarves in latin american lore,nthink theres one of them building a pyramids overnight.
Maybe each part of Brok's fractured soul is in a different underworld.
Everyone’s forgetting Brok has a piece of his soul in the lake , and Atreus has those marbles that can hold a soul. Maybe they can do something there , like Atreus did with Fenrir.
The souls in the lake would try to take him & if he attempted to retrieve the missing piece it could have some major consequences for not only the 8 realms but others lands.
I like the idea of sindri travelling back in time in the DLC to save his brother's soul, like what they did with kingdom hearts 3.
They use the the same game and the same story, but they have playable missions, cutscenes with sindri, Atreus, the valkyries, etc and they all intertwine with the actual timeline. I know it sounds clique but the idea of sindri disrupting the time line to save brok, then maybe getting killed to reunite with brok, forgiving Atreus and Kratos for what happened then passing on, sounds interesting to see. Love this story, it's sad though
What I would love to see is a spin off God of War which follows Atreaus, where Sindri is the big bad. It feels like this might be the set up as in mythology it was the dwarves (mainly sindri in behest of brok) that beat Loki in a bet/competition with the Golden Boar, to which Loki wormed his was out of loosing his head to Brok.
i hope they dont bring brok back.
i like brok, he's a good character. but loss needs to happen for characters to grow and for stories to progress.
loss is the only constant in life, and using some convoluted method to undo a loss just leaves the story empty.
if there is a dlc I'd like it to be about Loki finding a way to retrieve Brok's scattered soul pieces and return them to the lake to be with the part left behind, the outcome being a slightly lighter version of what we got, Sindri now mad at them for not bringing him back to life rather then sending him onto the afterlife he was meant to reach.
Not only he can't forgive Atreus and Kratos, he can't forgive himself either.. most important line.. "You want sorry? This is what sorry looks like!!" ~meaning~ , that Atreus and Kratos don't even feel sorry about it, just words.. they're not grieving enough like he does.. they don't have resentment against themselves (personally, individually) like he feels about them.. they don't cry as hard as he does... That's the difference between "friends vibe" and "family vibe"..
What if Brok will come "back" but in Indian mythology? The creators have hinted at Týr doing yoga poses at the end of the game, hinting to the next mythology. Brok, losing his "direction" could end up "lost" and wind up being some Indian deity. He already has the blue skin for it as well which, I may be wrong, but is not normally a feature of brok in norse mythology but is a trend in Hinduism. Maybe this is the journey needed to bring sindri and loki together again. Not saying it will be Brok exactly that we see again just some sort of... reincarnation?
I can see Sindri becoming the bridge to the next Pantheon, as he's possibly in search of another afterlife for Brok.
Brok just wailing on Odin after they both die is the perfect duality
Is the reason brok is blue cause he was brought back to life? Also is odin with brok?
No he’s blue from not wearing gloves when working with certain metals
@@kevothegoat9891 that was the reason in God of War not Ragnarok. Truth is Brok turned blue from a spider bite
@@kevothegoat9891 Sindri was the one who said that in GOW and in GOW Ragnarok you see dwarfs corpses in savarflteheim and they are blue like Brok
This was the first video game to make me cry.
For whatever reason it's the moment Brock says "I forgives ya" that hits the water works with me. There's something really gentle there that just brings the whole situation home and then *boom* Niagra Falls
Oh yeah he gave him everything not only he lost his brother but he lost them for good he doesn't have a soul to come back to😢 and if I was in that situation knowing my brother died and even if I were to die I was still never see him it will tear me up inside
A despair so powerful would corrupt my soul
This game tells such a powerful story. Wat Sindri did to bring him back, anyone who loves a loved one would have done it. Sad brok died but the complete turn around of Sindri after Brok's death was unbelievable
@Videogamesophistry77 nice try, wtf is this clown posing as vgs
At the end of the day, Broks fate is Sindris fault. And one day he will have to accept that, others played parts in his death for sure but no one else denied him an afterlife.
Rewatching all of that I’m pretty sure he’s not mad at Atreus because he brought Odin in but as far as Sindri knew he confided in Atreus about the missing soul piece. And the only way Brok could had knows what he did was by Atreus breaking his trust. But We know Atreus didn’t tell him he figured it out with Kratos at the forge !!
Sindri knows thats how brock found out. Thats why sindri kept telling kratos to take him vs brock. So hes mad at atreus for bringing in odin bro.
@@ihateshills I don’t recall that. This happened after the forge
@@Regal_Shortcuts it happens before and on the way there. Sindri begs kratos to not take brock. Sindri even comes to kratos amd freya in the tunnels.
"OHH am i cool enough for you now? that was easy, it only cost me fucking everything"
Mimir told Atreus not to take to heart words said in grief. Sindri is hurting and he's going through all of the natural stages of grief. He'll come around eventually, and more precisely, he'll realize that Atreus and Kratos couldn't have known it was Odin all along. I really hope he doesn't end up the villain in the sequel, as it'd be rehashing Freya's arc all over again. Unless they do not plan a redemption arc for Sindri and have him go full evil to bring his brother back.
The problem is before he can forgive anyone else he's going to have to forgive himself
We know Thor hit Jormungandr so hard with Mjolnir that he went backwards through time. We know that Thrud now wields Mjolnir - could Sindri create a device that could withstand such a blow from Mjolnir with him inside, so he could right his wrongs and get Brok’s final soul piece? Interesting DLC idea maybe.
To me there should be a dlc where u play as thor for sure a team up with him and kratos against a villian would be epic
When I first saw the scene with Atreus and Sindri in the forge after Brok's death I initially thought "damn Sindri is being a dick for something he is more responsible for than anyone else." But a few days later I just couldn't get Sindri's words out of my head so I rewatched the scene.
He blames Atreus and Kratos, but he ultimately knows that he himself is most responsible. He blindly followed Kratos and Atreus lead basically not questioning any consequences for going to war with the Aesir/Odin, we then find out he rescued Brok from the dead with only 3 of his 4 soul bits intact. He invites Atreus, Kratos, and the newly freed Tyr into his home without a second thought, and this of course ends up being his downfall. He gives and gives and gives and never says no, even when he should, and because of this his brother dies. And not just dies, but is denied an afterlife because of Sindri's own actions and he knows it. If he hadn't selfishly brought Brok back to life then he would be resting in the afterlife with his soul intact, and now he's just...gone..and Sindri knows it. He knows it's his own fault. He knows Kratos and Atreus and Odin are also to blame, but he knows deep down that the bulk of the blame lies with him, and he's ashamed of it. He blames Kratos and Atreus for Brok's death and he's right. He blames Odin for Brok's death and he's right. But worst of all, he blames himself for Brok's death. And he's right.
Sindri's story is by far the most well done, saddest, and most believable story arc in the whole Norse saga.
In Norse mythology, there are 2 Sindri. One is the Dwarf blacksmith, and the other is a Hall made of red gold that serves a monument and a mourning place for all the righteous and innocent people who died in Ragnarok.
Considering the fact that Sindri lost his brother because of Ragnarok, I think that what they can end up doing at the end of Sindri's story is having him use his skills as a magical craftsman and blacksmith to build the Hall of Sindri. Maybe with the idea that his mistake made it so Brok couldn't get an afterlife, so, the Hall is meant to be a place Sindri built for Brok's soul to rest. Either simply as a symbolic gesture, or maybe even a magical solution to this issue. Brok asked him not to bring him back to life, so Sindri shouldn't end up doing it. Instead, it's way more fitting for Sindri to right his wrong by finding a way for Brok to have an afterlife. If Brok can't get an afterlife, Sindri will make him one. The Hall of Sindri, the place to honor those who tragically lost their lives at Ragnarok.
interesting that Sindri mentions “three of the four soul parts” because at the beginning of the game when Fenrir dies, we can see only one of the four orbs of Fenrir’s soul enter Atreus’s knife. does this mean Fenrir was also denied an afterlife? what exactly *is* the new Fenrir after Garm is defeated?
Possibly sindri finds a way to travel back in time to warn brok and himself to a limited degree and to be wary of odin before he kills brok
Forgiving someone that took advantage of your kindness and being friends with them again are two separate things. He doesn't blame them, he blames himself.
Time travel is canon in the GOW universe. If desired, a story can be crafted where Brok is brought back.
The best revenge for Sindri would be luring Atreus into a new realm (Egypt, maya ect...) and kratos finding himself forced to follow him despite his new responsibilities after vahalla
What if he goes back to find that lost fulgir to give Brok a proper afterlife, and that's why it ends up missing in the past?
I think Sindri will struggle, and end up fighting between a version of him that want to do what’s right, and someone more like Kratos legends of how he was back then, lost and vengeful look for something, someway to get rid of the pain of losing the one he loves most, his brother.
Maybe the reason Sindri was only able to get 3 out of the four soul pieces is because Future Sindri got it. And they never real explained to well how Jormungandr was sent back in time. could that have been Sindri too?
I’m currently betting on Sindri traveling to Egypt to entreat their god of the dead for some kind of help. With all the hints into other pantheons it would make a nice Segway into other mythos plus it would be a more immediate solution than time travel, something that is only hinted at in Norse mythos through Thor hitting midgardsomer back through time.