Super Showdown: Who's better, McDavid or Crosby? | Tim and Sid
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- Опубліковано 22 жов 2018
- Who's better Connor McDavid or Sidney Crosby? Tim and Sid debate.
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Let’s just say it was game 7 SCF, down a goal, with one minute to go in the third, I’m putting Sidney Crosby on the ice over Mcdavid 10/10 times. Mr. Clutch.
Uhh pens vs. Oil? Gee good pick. It’s never one vs. The great one. Silly.
what i love about sid is he plays great through the season, turns it up towards the end, flips to another level during playoffs
And then ovechkin sends him packing.
He's 3-1 against Ovechkin in the playoffs, consequently its also the same disparity in Stanley Cups. Its funny how that works!
same as mcdavid. His point totals skyrocket at the end of the year.
until game 7 when they need him and he's held off the board. McDavid and Bergeron are my favorite players in the NHL... and then it is Crosby @@keeganmoonshine7183
These guys obviously don’t know their hockey, especially Sid. He should do himself a favor and watch Crosby when he first broke into the league and the next couple of years. Crosby made a HUGE impact. There are things that Crosby does better than McDavid and vice versa. In today’s game, I agree McDavid is the better offensive player but in terms or overall two way play, I give the edge to Crosby. The better comparison is Crosby in his fourth year vs McDavid today. I’d say Crosby was better up until their fourth year in the league. McDavid in his prime vs Crosby his prime is still TBD.
mrjs323 THIS. It’s like Sid never watched hockey before 2015.
Mcdavid flat out speed, and has talent to boot, Sid is the total package he can burn you a hundred different ways so until McDavid finds other ways to score like going to the dirty areas I personally give Sid the edge points isn't the only thing that matters (imo)
Sounds like you know the game
Connor will mature, his defense will get more elite. And I don't much care about face-offs.
Also he needs to learn to play defense
@@nneichan9353 his defensive game never was there
And to Sid (the host) what exactly has McDavid done that you’ve never seen Sid do? Every highlight is him just blowing by people and finishing a deke. Literally watch his highlights in this video from :40 - :45 and they are all the same goals 😂
Let’s see him finish a backhand one handed like Sid, or bat MULTIPLE pucks out of the air, or snipe like Sid
Jonathan Townsend he has already done that your idiot
His first goal was a deflection...also why would he need to change up his way of scoring when it works so well. For most players having just one play where they score a la McDavid would create one of their best highlights, while this 21 year old does it many times every season. Crosby has some creative goals for sure, and it’s impressive, but McDavid is just efficient
@@tchop6839 but is young legs will EVENTUALLY slow down... lets see how he'll adapt. Speed was one of Crosby's aspect ( nothing to compare to 97). He use to split the D man in half all thr time to come straight alone in the slot. Things have changed ( multiple concussio ns...) Things had to change. He changed and adapted. 97 can count on that speed for maybe 4-5 more years and then every little wear and tear will force him to undoubtly evolve and adapt... Then we'll see. LOVE them both ;)
@@paulboucher9663 that whole speed take didnt age so well fr
@@garethvaughan7493 meaning?
Love the fact that McDavid stood there and watched Sid undress 3 Oilers to score the game winner that night in OT
Why has no one else mentioned this?!?!?
87 is the best 200ft player the games ever seen.
200 ft means he plays defense which means your comment makes no sense. Datsyuk is probably the best 200 ft player the games ever seen
you're an idiot if you think Pavel is better than Sid. lay off the glue and learn the sport before you comment.
Datsyuk is also the most overrated player in history when it comes to offensive talent. Yes, he was flashy, yes he never even had a 100 point season. Defense is constantly used as a crutch for forwards who don't put up the numbers.
Datysuk is a HOFer for sure, but Sid is the greatest 200ft player ever. Don't start telling me about +/- when every advanced stat AND points/assists favour Sid.
ps- Malkin is a top 40 player all time, and if there weren't so many good ole' Canadian boys voting for that horseshit list a couple years ago, he would have been there. They put Bob Gainey in instead, who NEVER scored 45 pts.
80teg hey cmon man I’m Canadian
All that about how good Crosby’s teams were early.. Crosby has never, outside of 2 months with Hossa, played with a winger as good as Draisaitl. Crosby was still playing with Kunitz and Hornqvist in 2017 and outpacing McDavid at 29 years old until Draisaitl was made a staple on Connor’s line.
Malkin has been winger to him and Kessel too lol. TF you going on about? Your bias is showing lol.
lAmCanad1an Kessel has played about 4 games with Crosby in 2015 and never again. Malkin hasn’t played on Crosby’s line since 2014 and even before that never played with him at ES with any regularity since 2007. In 2011 Malkin played with a bum shoulder and was put on Crosby’s line for a few games to help get him going, that was probably the last time.
This point would make sense if connors numbers dropped without draisiatl on his line....they dont they stay the same. Draisaitl is the one who benefits more from playing with mcdavid...compare his point totals with mcdavid to what they are without
@@lAmCanad1an For power plays and a few very short stints
Mcdavid is faster for sure,but Crosby can do 10 other things go better than him.
1.faceoffs
2.agility
3.shot
4.strength
5.boardwork
6. clutchness
7.fighting
8.leadership
9.Edge work
10.winning
1.faceoffs - i agree
2.agility - McDavid all day
3.shot - I can agree but not by much
4.strength - Crosby
5.boardwork - Crosby
6. clutchness - Crosby
7.fighting - if slapping and whining count, then for sure Crosby
8.leadership - lol they both aren't great. Give McDavid time
9.Edge work - easily McDavid
10.winning - it's a team thing. Obviously Crosby has a big time goalie, had a big time goalie, played for Canada who was gonna win without him and has Malkin and Kessel.
@@jeffreydean5112 by edge work I ment stopping and going quickly...like on that ot goal the other night in Edmonton. Mcdavid can't do that as well as Crosby.
winning lol
@@jeffreydean5112 not good leaders? ok
You didn't mention the team friendly contract.
Think of it like this, you have Crosby and McDavid matching up head to head in a playoff series. Who do you put your money on to outplay the other over the course of 7 games. My money is on Crosby and I say that with confidence. McDavid is probably the best offensive player in the league, but Crosby is the best all round player in the league. While McDavid can skate like the wind and punish teams big time on the rush, Crosby can be in a battle with three opposition players on the boards keeping the puck on a string and create something when you think there is absolutely nothing that can come out of the play. As skilled as McDavid is, I don't see him ever having the kind high level completely rounded out game that Sid has. I expect career wise, McDavid will put up better numbers point wise than Sid, accounting for injuries too, but I don't think McDavid will ever be the kind of guy that can figure out a way to beat any opposing teams game plan like Sid can.
don't think the Soilerz will win any cups either...Sid has 3
Graeme Johnstone You’re going to eat those words because with Connor McDavid will win a cup with the Oilers!!
Dude....well said.
Well you said it so it has to be true
👏👏👏👏👏👏
Did he actually say "I've never seen Sid do what McDavid does?" One thing is clear: dude doesn't watch Sid much. McDavid is a generational talent, no argument. Sid is a generational talent that has won everything at every level. Sid is a 200-foot player, McDavid is not...yet. On defense, below the hashmarks, along the boards, behind the net, in the post-season I would take Sid over almost anyone who has ever played. Gretzky, included. Try, if you dare, to get the puck away from Sid. McDavid is in his fourth season and has led his team, as its Captain, to 1 playoff win. 1. By the end of his fourth season Sid had led the Pens to the Cup twice against arguably superior Detroit clubs, winning it the second try. That's something "I've never seen McDavid do". TM
One final, vital point: Sid entered the league when it was cool to tee-off on star players' heads. He lost two seasons to concussions and wisely altered his game. People forget how fast Sid played his first five or so years in the league. Sid is within a handful of points of Ovi - the other 'generational talent' of the day - despite having played 140 fewer regular season games than Ovi. McDavid has entered a softer, faster league that plays to his strengths. He'll probably outscore Sid for the rest of Sid's career. But he won't beat him. Sid's roofed overtime backhander the other night was just the latest example of why not. A proposed ranking (as if it mattered): Sid - 1. Malkin - 2. McDavid - 2a.
Ok but don't forget the management of the pens was way better than the oilers. Put mcdavid on a franchise like that and he would be just as successful. Now, the oilers finally have a good gm and good coaching. I only expect uphill from here on.
Did he say I've never seen McDavid do what Crosby does as well? Lol
I absolutely agree, there are a lot of things the McDavid has done, but Crosby has also done a lot of things that mcdavid can't and hasn't
waleed K what has crosby done that “mcdavid cant” lmao.
@@Cope59 winning a Stanley cup and being a playoff MVP
21 year old Crosby>>>>>>>>>>>>>21 year old mcdavid. This argument is invalid comparing a 31 year old player that is, though still great, in the twilight of his career to a kid entering that prime age these days is, in consept, unfair. 31 year old Gretzky couldnt be compared to 21 year old Gretzky.
Gobitz Games thaaank you! No way you can compare now.
Just having the Crosby vs McDavid conversation says everything about how good Crosby is...
Benjamin Jacob no.. it shows how good mcdavid is and how jealous Crosby fans are
Or 21 lemieux
@@TB-pd8tw You are smoking crack. The point is that Sid is in his 14th year, and is still being debated as the best in the world. Let's talk again in 10 years and see if we are still talking about McDavid.
Sids argument is stupid because Crosby in 2006 had such a bad team they finished 3rd last... sid had 120 points & was a minus player. Also, Mcdavid hasn’t carried the oilers anywhere last year & this year too so no..
JAYSFAN20
So Crosby didn’t have
Malkin, 60-100+ points
Ryan Malone 40-70 points
Skykora 50-70 points
Gonchar 60 points
And Marc Andre flurry
Mcdavid didn’t have any players like that till Leon a few years ago.
Crosby and his teammates top of the leaders boards every year and there’s only mcdavid who can still get 100 points with the oilers bottom of the standings and mcdavid on top of the leaderboards
Master Qwief that sounds like an edmonton problem, shouldnt have paid that german soo much moneyand should have held on to taylor hall. Crosbys better
Master Qwief naah freddys good where he his
Lol I know I was just saying chill. Give mcdavid 8, 8.5 and they can get some decent players with that extra bit of money he could had left on the table
Master Qwief yaa for real, still cant wrap my head around that hall for larson trade then they go and sign leon to 8.5 a year.
Sids bias on 87 is crazy....Sid came in with a bad team as well but yet he refuses to acknowledge that....not to take anything away from Young great players like Mathews and McDavid as they are indeed great for the league but cmon Sid, your acting like sid his nearing 40 years old for crying out load... When sid wants to pick it up with theses young bucks..he does for sure - just watch the recent game against Mathews and company the other night as Sid - still the greatest because of his D and O and experience - owned him...it also comes down to how one defines greatness... flash goes to Connor.... Steadfast smart two way greatest player goes to 87...
Well if he's so much better why has he lost the head to head in every game with Mcdavid? His TEAM has won the game but Mcdavid's line out plays Crosby's every game. Also Crosby had over 50% of his points on the pp in his best year. If you adjust for era Mcdavid's drastically out preformed Crosby's 1st 3 years. Mcdavid is 100% a better individual player than Crosby ever was already and he's only getting better.
@@coopercody3214dont be offended so many of us choose 87 man... and let it go with the "era" foolish argument... McDavid's highlight superstar that, you got that right, is winning the dual between the 2 so far. But your hard on on hating Crosby makes you blind, on so many levels. Plz tell us what could Sidney should improve to be as good as Mc David? His backhand shot?.. Deflections?..Puck protection?..Could it be his eye-hand coordination?.. He sure need to improve on his edge work to catch up on 97 eh?
Give me a 2004 Marek Malik over both
Red Redmon yaaa baby... they should clone him and make a team of Marek Malik’s.
u mean 2006
McDavid is faster, Crosby has better vision.
Not true at all.
A lot of people have short memories and they don't remember the Sidney Crosby before his concussions that guy was sick he had the fourth highest points per game average in NHL history averaging 1.34 points per game far better than Connor mcdavid's 1.22
Anyone know how I can catch Tim and sids full show instead of watching UA-cam clips? (I live in the UK)
Taking Crosby over Mcdavid every time. Not close
Its not even a debate for me lol. Crosby has done everything on everyone put in his way. Make the second round, make your teammates better and oh yea...don't lose 5 in a row 😂
Idiots ☝️ Mcdavid any day
I BlOcK bAllZ well you’re and idiot then 😂
I BlOcK bAllZ by the time they both retire, Mcdavid will have a much better individual career then Crosby
I’ll take Crosby over anybody. The dude knows how to win.
This didn't age well... Leon just scored 50 goals lol.
But this did.
Leon just swept the player individual awards with 110 points in 68 games.
Kessel is better than both combined
The Nathanator Haha the only thing Kessel is good at is winning the Coney Island hot dog contest lol lol lol 😂😂😂
Preach! Testify!
Best comment on the Internet.
Are u sniffing paint again george?...uur out to lunch son
Phil is a king of kings
Best player : Crosby
Fastest and possibly most talented at the moment : Mcdavid
Faster=McDavid...the rest belongs to Sid
one player does not win a stanley cup or an olympic medal, no matter who he is. mcdavid has won so many individual awards already, but the bottom line is we cant settle the debate until both careers are over.
Andrew Egnatis did you check the stats?
Who would you Rather Draft ? young Crosby or Mcdavid? , of course Crosby.
I don't know what there problem is with Tomas kaberle, he was an excellent defenseman and very underrated.
There’s a difference between all time rankings and rankings right now. If you look at it from an accolade standpoint it’s Crosby all the way but if you look at skills, talent and all that right now it’s gotta be mcdavid
Why? McDavid has speed...Crosby has everything else
Thing is if you go to 1 game than McDavid may not even be in the discussion. Theres Kane, Ovechkin, Toews, hell even kisnetsob who gets overlooked by everyone has accomplished more in 1 big game than McDavid has.
Post game Edmonton vs pens comment....Sid is still the king... best player on the planet...but keep swinging Connor....Sid just shredded Mathews and McDavid the last two games... Sid is the king "now"....
How can Tim say “If I want someone to drag a team into the postseason I’d take McDavid?” Hahaha how’d that work last year????? 😂😂😂
McDavid is more explosive but Crosby is a better passer
I don't get what everyone is talking about. Obviously Jake Virtanen is the best player in the world!
Nope it’s Eriksson
How bout that OT winner fromSid while McDavid froze up? Literally happened a few hours after this video was made lolol
Watching Hockey Central today and they were talking about the guys who can bring it right down the middle of the ice...those are the ones who are the big horses...Crosby and McDavid both do an excellent job, I'm just biased being a Penguins fan...but you see all the great forwards including Malkin, Matthews, Ovechkin...all forces coming down the center of the ice.
Aren't silent videos just pictures going very fast. So you can play the video without sound and say it is just a slide show with 60 pictures going through a second
main thing about McDavid is he's fast
When Crosby came into the league there were 5 to 6 power plays a game. He had 61 power play points out of those 120. In McDavids second full year when he got 108 points the average was only 3 a game and the Oilers PP was so abysmal he only had 20 power play points. Imagine if the Oilers power play was in the top 10 that year, McDavid might have had 140 points.
Even with those power plays the scoring was down league wide. There was so many PP because play was beyond physical and people were still playing dirty. Crosby took so much abuse from players just because they couldn’t put skill him
Sid vs Connor is a good healthy debate and you can make arguments for both. But I couldn’t agree with Sid more when it comes to Matthews. Just stop, especially Toronto media... it’s not even close. At some point in his career? Sure, maybe but cmon LOL
Thank You! Matthews is a great player but could people stop comparing him to the best player in the world only because he had a good season start. Matthews was under a point per game last year, Macdavid 1.31.
Toronto.Please. Stop it
Jahn Van Sohn honestly, hot start or not.. Matthews is only hyped this much because he plays for Toronto. If he were to play for any other team? Media would get laughed out of the building trying to compare Matthews to McDavid. That’s why it’s a piss off imo.
@@jahnvansohn9906 Matthews was under a ppg last year? So 63 points in 62 games in under ppg?
"That's everything in this debate."
"mmmmkay"
I'm curious to see if McDavid will be nearly as good when he loses his speed (inevitable with age). Crosby is so good fundamentally, he doesn't rely on any one factor as he can beat you in a dozen different ways. McDavid is obviously very very good too but the question is, will he be able to adjust when he slows down? Can he grind out wins the way Crosby does? Can he make his teammates better the way Crosby does? Is he as defensively sound as Crosby is?
temudgin62 shut up
@@TB-pd8tw oh okay, internet stranger. Good one.
They're both so incredible but Crosby has been around a lot longer so it's hard to compare them now. I think we'll know more when Mcdavid's the same age as Sydney.
Crosby made Jake guentzel, Conner sherry, and Bryan rust into complete gods, but mcdavid made himself good. But it is still comparing a 31 and a 21 year old so it is pretty invalid. One has every thing in the game of hockey the other hasn’t got past the second round. At the end of each career then we can start to compare.
Any true hockey player/fan should take Crosby to build a team around over McDavid. (Assuming they are both rookies and starting a career at the same time) Just listen to all the coaches and players who have said how good he is. His 200 foot game is the best to ever play the game. And yes not to mention he would have scored 200 points a season when the goalies only stood up. Jeez watch those old highlights, goalies were brutal.
I'm just thrilled there both Canadian s....they both give me goose bumps
Crosby plays on a much better team, but Mcdavid stills outscores him every year.
Mcdavid is by far faster but Crosby can play baseball on the ice and bat pucks in
I guess you didn't see Mcdavid do that at full speed last year?
As a Leafs fan, I Love them both wearing the Maple Leaf ... in a Team Canada Jersey 🇨🇦
CROSBY ANYDAY
When apparently a 50 goal 105 point player isnt a good teammate for mcdavid😂
Answer: RIGHT NOW? It is Crosby. He has way more experience, good line mates and is better for the next year or two. Crosby has way more experience and is still in his prime for about 1 last season. So right now, Crosby. Look like 2 or 3 years in? McDavid. Crosby is better because he has the experience and stuff like that. Overall I think McDavid will be better then Crosby once he gets himself in to his prime.
You can't really compare the two. Sydney was out for the 2011-2012 season, his team still made the playoffs. If you put Mcdavid on penguins instead of Oilers, no question he'd do way better.
With the same line mates no way
Naf Birks with kings and dupius who are 3rd liners on other teams? Those are who sid played with. Not 50 goal scorers like draisaitl.
They're both amazing. Very sad that the oilers still don't have a team after sucking so many years though...
okay, listen. It is not just individual skill that factors in to decide who is better. (If it was it is definitely McDavid). Imma finally solve this debate once and for all........ through the youtube comment section of a Tim and Sid.... A good way to decide is if their situations were swapped. Mcdavid goes with the pens and malkin, in an easier time to score goals, and Crosby gets drafted with the Oilers and plays with the inconsistent draisaitl. Sure maybe if the oilers kept hall and he produced the same amount he does now, they would be amazing. They could theoretically put out a top line of draisaitl, mcdavid, hall. So it all depends on the situation they are in. If we are just judging by pure skill mcdavid would come on top for me. but if we are talking about success, than Crosby is better. I know that Mcdavid is still young but Crosby won his first cup at this age too
Edmonton is a good team with McDavid on the ice, but they're terrible when he's not on the ice. Tough for him to have any team success under those circumstances.
I think we'll have to wait until everything is said and done before we use the success argument. That's what the best players of all time debate is all about. Accomplishments combined with your dominance on the ice. Tough to say anything about that now when McDavid's career is just getting started and Crosby is still going stong and will probably play 5+ more years on a very good team. Both of them will have many opportunities to build on their legacies
They are always talking about Mcdavid not having anyone to play with but Crosby won his cups with Kunitz and Dupuis 🤔 like come on now. So many excuses with Mcdavid. Hornquist is a 7th rd pick, and Guentzel is a 3rd. Crosby has NEVER played with elite talent except on a PP
Jonathan Townsend That isn't the problem for Edmonton though. They are a really good team when McDavid is on the ice, whether he plays with Draisaitl or not. He's like Crosby. It doesn't matter who he plays with. Edmonton's issue is that they're terrible when McDavid isn't on the ice.
Daniel Harder okayy.. soo? What’s the argument point there. Most teams are better with their #1 C on the ice
Jonathan Townsend I mean hockey isn't basketball. A forward doesn't play more than 22-23 minutes/game at the most. You said that there are too many excuses with McDavid and I tried to make a legit excuse. You can't win if your team are terrible the 38 minutes you sit on the bench. McDavid has been in on 11 of the Oilers 13 goals this season. Your team can't be successfull that way.
7:26 mark isn't even 52 right now 😂😂😂
What people don’t understand is that 5-10 players would get 100+ points back in Crosby’s prime. Mcdavid is getting 100+ in a time where not as many goals are being scored. Plus if you actually watch mcdavid he is one of the most solid defensive players. People say he’s offensive only just because they watch his highlights and assume he just scores goals. In reality he plays a great 200ft game and has the most takeaways in the league so stop making things up saying he’s only good at offence
7 people got 100 points this season what are you talking about lol back then Crosby and Malkin And ovechkin were the only ones to get 100 points most years.
It was the trap era when Crosby came in. NHL announcers said it all season that goals are way up this year and points
To me the best player RIGHT NOW is the guy you’d pick today for your team to make the biggest contribution possible and help win the cup. And that’s McDavid. But career-wise Connor will have to prove himself over a decade at least to reach Sid’s individual stats and have similar accomplishments. He might, but it’s way to early to say. Crosby is far ahead and is probably a top 10 player in history. McDavid is just not, not yet at least. He still has many games to play and he’ll have to win the Cup if he wants to belong to that club. It’s not going to be easy but he’s got the talent that’s for sure. Still, linemates, team-focus, leadership, longevity, a great deal of luck... it takes way more than individual talent to win the cup. And as long as you don’t win a Stanley Cup, you’re not a better player than Sydney Crosby IMO.
I think we should probably wait until the end of their careers before we compare them...or just not compare them at all
McDavid is a game wrecker with his speed and quickness. Crosby's edge-work, backhand, upper body strength, passing, shooting, coordination, balance, and hand eye coordination are all insanely good. I'd say they're both just as valuable, just in different ways. McDavid terrorizes defenders with his ability to out-skate defenseman on the rush and maneuver with ease at high speed. Crosby is just all around fundamentally superb in pretty much every imaganable way, McDavid excels with his legendary speed and quickness. They're both great and it's hard to come to the conclusion that one is definitively better.
i watch a ton of hockey and in my opinion if we are talking who is the best complete player of those 3 it goes crosby , matthews then mcdavid
Sid had no problem bringing up the fact that Lemieux was dripping his pixie dust on Crosby..is he forgetting Gretzky is still involved with the oilers and spends god knows how much time with Mcdavid?
So true...its funny how that when the Oilers drafted Mcdavid all the boys on the bus came back especially Gretz. They trying to do what's happening in Pittsburgh but it hasn't worked so far but still potentially can.
true, they probably threatened the NHL and Bettman to give them the first pick like Pittsburgh did too
Interviewer Sid - McDavid is faster than Crosby? OK, that's true. Pavel Bure was also faster than Lemieux and Gretzky in their prime. Was he better than them? No, just more flashy and had better dekes. Did you even watch young Crosby play? He was amazing, can't be touched. Also Crosby has a wide arsenal of skills - vision, puck protection, best backhand ever, hand-eye(deflections AND bat action), board play, front of the net presence, on-knee onetimer and the list just goes on and on. And his passing, speed and dekes are not much worse than McDavid, I would even say his passing is much better. Crosby, like McDavid, is both a playmaker and a goal scorer, but he's also a great winner so he's better as of 2019
If Sid didn’t have Geno, he would have picked up the slack and scored more points. He is humble and makes room for his teammates like Geno and Phil to shine. When Geno is on fire he’s probably better than both lol. But anyway how bout that OT goal last night? I am a huge fan of both players but I’ve never seen McDavid do that, I’m sorry. I’m from Erie and watched McDavid with the Otters for years and he’s the best player off the rush to ever play probably but to for these guys to say that McDavid is more skilled just sounds silly after what Sid pulled out last night
How can this debate even exist without Ovechkin in the mix? Ovechkin had 106 pts w 52 (!) goals in his rookie season, 49 (!) more than his next team mate in a complete dumpster fire of a team. He plays the game way harder than Crosby or McDavid ever has. If we're only talking who is CURRENTLY the best active player, as of TODAY, then there's really no debate at all - McDavid is better than Crosby right now.
Right now McDavid is the best player in the NHL but careerwise Crosby is better more cups division crowns etc also had an 120 point season his 2nd year in the NHL and MCDavid had 106 points. Crosby in the 2009-2010 season had already scored 32 goals before the new year had he not been cheap shotted in the outdoor game he would have has a season for the ages. Crosby is a slightly better goal scorer than McDavid as well and has a better shot. Mcdavid is a slightly better playmaker and obviously is one of the fastest skaters in NHL history.
For me its about who was better in their prime and id have to say Crosby...but not by much. You could also argue McDavid is not yet in his prime but I do believe he is
Sr Leigh well obviously Crosby has had the better career lol
I think Crosby is much better in the playoffs
The Nathanator mcdavid has only made it once . Pretty small sample size lol
About36GREEKS true
So when is McDavid declining? 24 or 25?
Do you know one player that scored four goals in their first NHL game of their life, auston Matthews!
Both great players
I'll go with the Ted Lindsay Award winner (best player chosen by NHL players) and that would be McDavid, two years straight now. About to make it three.
These types of comparisons don't make much sense. First of all, the question of who is better is unclear - do we mean who is more talented an athlete overall or who has accomplished more? Completely different perspectives. Just like Gretzky vs. Lemieux before - it could be argued that Mario (or Bobby Orr) was more talented but, if you are using results/accomplishments as your proof of greatness, it's obviously Wayne (Stanley Cups, goals, assists, etc).
Similarly, it could be argued that McDavid is currently better than Crosby (and that maybe he is better than a young Crosby was) but McDavid has offered very little in the way of proof or results definitively proving that he is better than prime Crosby. If having talent but not accomplishing much is all that's required to be the best, we could all argue that the awesome kid we played against from the next town over when we were 12 years old was the best player ever.
Now is the time for Connor to set aside some time to work on other aspects of the game so when his speed slows down he can stay on top.
“Sergei Gonchar is better then anyone who has Mcdavid has played with” plays with 50 goal scoring winger lmao wut
How does the Ted Lindsay award not end this conversation? The players know who is the best better than we do
I mean, I understand McDavid goalscoring ability and how much just natural talent he has, but how are we comparing a 3 time Stanley Cup Champion to a player who does score a lot of goals, but also missed the playoffs last year as well? That's a little tough to take for me. If we are talking natural ability and skill, it's obviously McDavid. If we are talking about proven winners and a savvy high IQ hockey player who is the best in the world, it's Crosby. Come on guys... I love them both too and I think one day McDavid has a chance to be better then Crosby, but until I still need to see it.
McDavid is the best player in the regseason.Crosby is the best player in the postseason.
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Crosby said it was McD a couple of years ago so that is what I'm going with. I mean I trust Crosby's assessment more than my own when it comes to hockey!
5 years later and im still saying Crosby
No one will probably see this because it’s an new comment on a and old video but statistically Crosby is playing less time than mcdavid because pens have better players but Crosby didn’t really play with those players unless he’s on the power play and if anything he is more talented because he was making his line mates better because a guy like Conor sheary probably wouldn’t be playing on the top line in Edmonton. But now Sid has Jake guentzel and mcdavid has draisaital and Neal btw draisaital had over 70 points in 16-17 and 17-18 then 105 in 18-19. Penguins are by far the better team and Crosby is the better player. They should’ve used the stats correctly
The disrespect on Draisailt is off the chart on this one...
Gonchar.. Although.. A wicked offensive d man.. Was still a d man.. And you made his point with those Sydney stats.. And gonch being second of 102
McDavid is incredible. Best physically. He doesn't seem to have that chosen one thing. That is Sid so obviously has.
Yeah and Crosby averaged 1.3 per game through being a teen like McDavid has. Which Sid raised until he missed nearly 3 years.
And he must not remember the Penhguins were a last place team during Sids 102, 18 year old season.
Sorry to break it to you guys. But Draisaittle or however it's spelled. Is better now than Lemieux was in Sids rookie year. He played half the year and retired With injuries since he couldn't keep up anymore.
Dont just throw out names and compare their careers to who they were at specific times.
If you do. Add in the names of the teammates that Gretzky played with. Lol
Crosby pre concussion was better than mcdavid 🤷♂️
Lol no he wasn't. He played in a era where scoring was way up. He never had the skill, speed or vision of Mcdavid and Mcdavid's shot is already passed where Crosby's was at this age.
@@coopercody3214 lol... yeah ok
@@coopercody3214 sorry buddy your wrong. Scoring is higher now then it was in sids prime.
cooper cody what are you talking about it was the dead puck era and the trap era nobody scored over 100 points back then except Crosby ovechkin and malkin sometimes. Now scoring is way up we just had 7 players with 100 points and that hasn’t happened since the 90s. Points are way up
Sid may say some stupid things, but god I love him, hes just great
Crosby is the best modern era player to ever play the game so far. Getting 100 points at age 31 while maintaining elite level defensive play. 13th season in the NHL and still gets 100 points I highly doubt McDavid at age 31 when he loses his speed can get 100 points and be one of the best two ways fowards in the league if not the best. Sure he’s better now but wait till he loses his speed abit he won’t be effective for as long as sid has been
At 18yo
Crosby has NHL Record for most points as a 18yo.
McDavid did what ??
End of discussion
Remo Lalougarou he broke his clavicle, would have gotten 90+ points on the 2015-16 oilers if he played the whole season
It’s an unfair comparison one player has a decade more of hockey under his belt. In terms of raw pure talent I’d give the edge to McDavid just so fast and dynamic and represents what the NHL is becoming - speed and skill.
Crosby is better in different ways - his strength down low and ability to control the puck even while chased by multiple players, creating space, etc. Not to mention that backhand. Crosby’s game is different now and matured quite a bit. I don’t think using “team carrying” is a good metric there’s so much that goes into that.
The mark of great players is they make others around them better - they both do that. So I think the most unbiased way to look at it is just one season, this season, and compare. Throw out the past successes that’s a different conversation. If you were to watch unbiased for this season alone start to finish, you’d have to conclude McDavid is the more talented individual.
I think where we get lost in this is our interpretation of “better.” Player X is better at this, Player Y is better because of this. I think the correct word is talent and I truly believe McDavid has surpassed Crosby in that.
He doesn’t he’s a got one talent which is skating fast. Crosby at that age was better than McDavid. Look at the stats before he got his concussion at the outdoor game. The numbers were way better than connors. He was on track to have 2 more 120 point seasons during the dead puck trap era. 2 more art ross trophies and 2 more harts. Look at the numbers before you talk. In his prime he was better. I know your probably a 20 year old that was 7 when that happened but look st the numbers
McDavid must to win Stanley cup, Olympic games 2022, then he has chance to be better than Crosby
Sidney Crosby started his career in a tougher more physical game where the average scoring fora team was around 2 goals per game. Mcdavid is playing in a league were more is being called less physical and the teams average around 4 goals per game.
Crosby played in a tougher and harder league to get points yet he still did and he did it with a offensive power house in ovechkin to compete with. Mcdavid is crazy good but put him in the league when Crosby got drafted I don't think he's this fast I don't think he's this skilled because there wouldn't be a need for so much skill in a league were it's still vastly far more physical. And also I'd just like to add. In a league were the young guys dominate the fact the ovechkin and Crosby are still putting numbers up to put them near the top at there age is remarkable and I believe those guys are battle tested and have nothing to prove. Mcdavid has a lot to prove and so does Matthews. And it might just be me but I find it hilarious how a player is determined how good they are based off of team achievements which blows my mind
Seems it's Kucherov at the moment
2 goals and the OT winner in style. Stop the comparisons. Babcock said it best a week ago.
SId Six u obviously didn't watch Crosby from the start of his career. He was pulling moves n coming with mad speed like teams hadn't seen at that point. Crosby is the total package.
The reason the NHL is pushing the Mcdavid rivalry so hard is a face and dollars. Hear me out on this.. Crosby has been the face and marketing tool for the past decade that the NHL has used to market and sell its product. While Crosby is still amazing, they will need to build the next face as he grows older in the league. Do you really think Bettman, the league heads or the in the bed media cares who is more talented. No way.. They care about building the debate and grooming their next face to keep viewers and dollars flowing into their business for the coming generation. Its done in every sport and all comes down to marketing a product (nhl) and dollars. Who cares whos better, and just enjoy the game. They engineer this and it works as u can see by the arguing between the two camps. Just appreciate the gifted players we have the opportunity to witness.
Lets be honest, Crosby ALWAYS shows up when its time to win games. Does it better than anyone. Hence the back to back Stanley cups in recent times. You want an awesome, consistent player who puts up points every game, McDavid currently does it better. But if you want a guy who will show up and win you games when its time to play serious hockey, Crosby is my guy.
How did McDavid with cheese do internationally? Notta, squat thus far.
What would happened to McDavid when he slows down later in his career. Regardless any of those guys won't be able to beat any of Gretzky's record.
FACE OFF Ovechkin might break Gretzky’s goal record
Give me Crosby. His complete level is higher, knows how to win, expects to win, strongest on the puck in the league by far. Though I agree Mcdavid possesses skill Crosby has never owned, his style can be maintained when it counts in the playoffs regardless of his teammates.
Crosby might win a 4th Cup. He is in a playoff position that he might do this. Where as Connor might miss the playoffs this year in 2022.
To me Crosby is like a Joe Sakic type player and McDavid is like Modano
Mcdavid is currently the best player in the world. Crosby held that title for many years. Mad respect to Sid, but the torch is passed
Crosby or McDavid?
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.
Nah man cam Addison
Crosby is the best right now, but age is creeping up so McDavid will be soon but dont forget about Ovechkin folks cups wise yeah not there but damn the goals and points, should be considered.
No one stays on top forever.