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Obviously the most salty card in commander is Island, when someone plays it everyone just whines
It is known.
Very Known.
You got a real laugh out of me with that.
Mike Moyer Happy to help
Thats why you play carpet of flowers
Nice deck tech, looks like a really fun deck.
😂
I've been building a deck with most of these cards in quarantine. Its super fun. For me.
@@mlanier3533 So you're the reasons God's mad at us
Ah a see you are a man of culture as well
Don't forget to put in a reality twist
I like to recur Kindslaver, so I can replace irritating opponents with nicer ones.
Haha well done
That’s awesome
I've only played one game in which a Theives' Auction was resolved, and I will never forget how funny it was. I was at very low life, and the guy directly after that turn decided to kill me with my own commander... to which, I said "okay" and began picking up all my lands... which were on his board.
Reminds me of this one game of Five Star I played YEARS ago. The guy after me was playing a really annoying mono-red that used a buncha cards mentioned here and enchantments since the wipes he chose couldn't wipe them. Before that started going off I killed out non-mutual enemy and the game actually dragged on so long due to him blowing up the board and other shenanigans he forgot and won me the game by killing out mutual enemy first! Easily my favorite game of Magic.
I'll admit my own mistake here doing that. My Norin/confusion in the ranks had stolen a lot of beefy creatures. I then proceed to take the beatdown guy first. Lost about half my board. Smooth move, smart guy.
Edit to say I was immediately teamed up on (rightly) for the rest of the game. Still came in second though.
I love Norin just need a cheap deck I like first to build around : p
I played a game once where one player was running a jank ‘chaos’ deck. He successfully played Thieves Auction *TWICE*.
I love how only like two cards ready see play in cedh and everything else just drops off because there's so much free counter play to them
cEDH is diet Vintage, so it makes sense that, in the same way as that format, the universe of cards that matter is a proper Frankenstein's monster--plus some cheap interaction
Sick! Swat cats! 👍
@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos it's still commander
@@JimWolfie True, and my Kamigawa-Block-Constructed-legal mono-Blue control deck is still Vintage
@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos It's closer to Legacy actually, a pile of properly tuned decks will often butt heads for a while before winning.
Lowered playing speed to 0,75. Nice and calm speech, and he sounds a bit tipsy.
"A bit tipsy" is an understatement lol
Sounds drunk enough to puke any second
LOL
Something that causes a bit of salt but a ton of laughs is watching a beatdown player take the game. There's always at least 1, usually 2 combo players that don't have a problem losing to an infinite combo but heaven forbid they take a few hits from 8+ power creatures.
Reminds me of my playgroup. By far the most effective deck is my buddy’s Kefnet. Not because it’s strong, but because it’s literally just an indestructible 5/5 that swings every turn starting on turn 4. My group is very casual and it’s basically unkillable.
@@Frosthief nobody plays arrest or prison term?
Try 20 8/8 Giant Adephage tokens with Trample. I've done that. Still working on upgrading Primal Genisis
My favorite commander deck runs Atarka as the commander. People get pretty salty when I suddenly play her and pump her with a form of haste to surprise one shot.
Linear creature based aggro decks are pretty powerful in multiplayer due to how unassuming they look prior to them doing something that makes them ridiculous. I think the only reason most people get upset is because they see the beat-down player as not playing the team aspect of commander and basically free loading off the other interactive decks. When you play a pod with combo and there is one player whose deck can't interact with that combo and it forces you and the other players to extend yourself to prevent the combos while said beat-down player just forces your life totals down it can be a little grating.
In this video: Jim's favourite cards in Commander.
- Jim
I remember when I use to play slivers and got targeted 100%
I played Slivers way back in grade school when Legions first came out and learned after a short period of time that nobody wanted to play with me anymore lol. Affinity/Artifacts too. I know juuuuuust how quickly these things spiral out of control.
A guy in my play group coincidentally decided to make both of these things for EDH decks, so guess who gets targeted first hahaha. He doesn't seem to get why either, unfortunately.
Somehow i get targeted more frequently with my shirei edh deck than i do with my sliver overlord edh
@@thebenis3219 did you explain it to him?
Well better than my food chain combo deck...but that’s no fun. My fun deck is Rubinia and combo with helm of host and conjured’s closet......which honestly taking something every turn is annoying
But overlord, morophon is my new go too. Just free spells with cascade
If it gives you extra turns its hated
Definitely can make the list that way!
I have a combo in my Eldrazi deck that can allow me to take multiple turns in a row. Yeah, I'm just gonna swing this Annihilator 4 at you for the next 3 turns
I've played against a 60 card with that stuff, noped out of there real quick.
time walk
I have a friend that plays Kess, and as many extra turn spells, removal, counters, things to copy spells, you name it, as possible. It doesn't have a wincon except to widdle you down with Kess. So let's just say he's never allowed to play it
"I play Cabal Coffers."
"Wake of Destruction, naming Swamp."
Sensei's Divining Top because a lot of players don't know how to use it and it makes the game much longer.
Mulligan me.
As someone who plays on MTGO often, Sensei's Divining Top is my absolute most hated card. The person who plays Top is often 30 minutes into their clock when everyone else is hardly past 5. I get that it's powerful but man it slows down games to much, constantly waiting for the Top player to pass priority, and lorde forbid that they actually activate it!
You know which card grind mi gears? Wayfarer's Bauble... its so cheap and goes in any budget deck... disgusting.
On a serious note i hate Stasis... a lot... that goddamn clown...
Stasis and something like Wilderness Reclamation
That's a weird form of spelling Seedborn Muse.
@@xarshoon7157 just wait until every green-blue oathbreaker deck plays one seedborn muse and one prophet of kruphix. When I played prophet of kruphix in an oathbreaker game, my opponent refused to continue until I pulled out the ban list. Then he proceeded to buy like 15 copies of prophet of kruphix on tcgplayer, saying that they'd surely spike sooner or later.
Joshua Blair nice thanks for the tip
Wasting a card like high tide as a 15+ turn way to win with a prison deck irks me. High tide deserves better jankier treatment smh.
Void Winnower. I’m the only one in my pay group who has one, and even I understand how annoying it is to play against.
I just can't even with Void Winnower. I swear.
My group just straight-up banned Winnower, and I have no problem with that
I adore the card.
@@papanurgle8393 same, my playgroup plays a ton of blue 0/2/4 drop counterspells. Aside from a cavern of souls, its just about the best answer I have in my colorless new kozilek deck to stop people from just countering every eldrazi I play.
My playgroup HATES the mill archetype. Even when I am not even attempting to mill for the kill, people just hate seeing cards end up in the graveyard. It is kinda like people hate their creature becoming counter vs killed. At least if someone murders it, it lived, but it just getting countered or ending up in the graveyard without being played just hurts something extra.
Double down and play Geth.
The best part? You win with their milled combo pieces.
Man, sounds like your playgroup enjoys fun.
This honestly sounds super toxic.
I get that some things are worse than others. But all these exclusion of playstyles that are just part of the game and that arent even OP in general is very upsetting i think.
At some point why not saying "loosing isnt fun for me" and collectively stop the game before anyone looses.
I mean seriously i had people get angry at me for how i untap my lands.
Anything that says infect on it, (Although i like infect, only when im playing it, not when anybody else is, because when i play it, i build it wrong) 😂😂
Haha great answer!
Use leeches
@paladinodlanier at least it gives you more time then right😂😂
Even with the house rule of 15, if anyone see infect in my group they become the target.
That's a start
This is why I'm reluctant to play commander sometimes. When playing there's always something to complain about for some people. There are mean things to do in this game but when it comes to playing against people with different decks we have to accept the fact that they can be hard to beat.
I love land destruction. Especially when you stick stax pieces on top of that
I'm not adverse to MLD as long as they have a follow up to it. Don't destroy everyone's lands then pass the turn, you better win the game.
Same boat. If MLD is done, I'm cool with it so long as it leads into a win soon after.
A friend used to play GAAIV and had MLD, but the only damn wincon in the deck was Approach of the 2nd sun. Wrath of God -> Armageddon 2 hours into a game is so aggravating and unfun. He took that deck apart real soon.
Personally my feeling is that 2 turns is the absolute limit, if you didn't have a plan to win within 2 turns you are just screwing with the table and are making the game worse for everyone else.
Honestly you know what I hate more than LD? The cheesy G deck tbat takes advantage of no LD and over extends super quick, knowing it doesnt matter because no one is allowrd to touch his toys... This is why G is so stupid busted in "casual edh"
@@Vaderi300 I wouldn't put a turn limit on it just if they have a plan like avacyn or kaali the vast is out and protected.
I would say the the throughline on these cards is that most of them, if left unanswered, effectively end the game--but many don't, in fact, end the game on the spot. If you don't like to/know when to concede, you won't like playing against most of these.
Well, that, plus cards that can allow a less sophisticated third actor to hand your opponent a win (e.g. Rhystic Study)
With the land destruction, I do run some of it. Green is very strong in EDH, and one of the main reasons is that greens main game plan (land ramp) isn’t punished. Most other colours do have hate for their main themes but because so many people hold lands as a sacred resource, green gets a free pass for doing a lot of broken stuff. I’m quite happy to have some land hate especially if our playgroup is going green heavy.
i think mass land destruction / bounce / disruption is rightfully hate-worthy but i do feel you on the lack of punishes for ramp. i'd love to have some effect that pings each player for the difference between their land count and the lower one, for example
Surprised Nekusar wasn't on the list of commanders that make people salty.
Nekusar can accidentally kill himself since you are technically giving a vital resource. If he denied reacting to your shenanigans then he'd be more annoying but it's the supporting cards that irritate people. Waste not is dumb.
@@w47765 Yeah, but he's in blue and black and those include every card that can permanently give something Infect. I've never seen it done, not do I do it in mine, but there are plenty of people in my meta that talk about it and yeah, that's gonna be real annoying.
People like cards. In my meta we keep the nekusar player alive to fuel our hands then kill them with creatures
Nekusaur is not a problem at all. Just remove his megrim style effects and all he does is help you go through your deck
I play Nekusar because win or lose, games are shorter and we can play two games in an evening rather than one.
Decree of annihilation and teferi's protection combo. Now that's going to make people mad.
obliterate its better for that combo, im try to used, but i realize its not fun lol
I just play every board wipe and land wipe I can with avacyn angel of hope
Not sure if this will be read... "Rising Water" is a blue enchantment (3U) that reads: " Lands don't untap during their controllers' untap steps. At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player untaps one land that player controls." If you want a white version on a stick: "Holori, Dust Drinker" (2WW) does the same on a 2/2 body.
This slows everybody down if you don't have a way to untap all your lands with other means, like "Prophet of Kruphix", "Wilderness Reclamation", "bear umbra", "Magus of the Candelabra" or "Nature's Will". You could even make all lands creatures and add an "Intruder Alert"
Normally I'd say island, but forests are actually degenerate
Chaos is Too Chaotic Category
*Timesifter not shown*
Timesifter: Am I a joke to you?
Also High Mind, Eye of the Storm, Grip of Chaos, Knowledge Pool etc.
My wife plays Timesifter in her deck. I freaking hate that card. :P
I'll see your Timesifter and raise you a Possibility Storm.
I will continue hating that card until I build Mishra, Artificer Prodigy. Then it will probably become my favorite card
Grave Betrayal, whenever a creature dies, on the next end step it enters on your battlefield under your control with an additional +1/+1 counter. If you can get it out fast, and get some good quick kill spells, you can just steal everyones things and I love it
Always great to get some new recommendations for cards to use
One of the guys who goes to one of my locals is basically salt embodiment. One of his favorite decks is Empress Galina, and he gets mad when we won't let him take our commanders, either through shroud, or outright scooping when he tries. If he gets salty enough, he pulls out a highly competitive deck as a sort of "vengeance for not letting him play how he wants". We now make it a goal in our locals to ensure he does not get to play in any game he's in, he leads to such unfun games.
I played Iona once (when she was still legal to play), never again, my playgroup hated me for few weeks for that, no fun was had because I literally stopped 3 players for playing because I choose optimally and banned black color.
Against Riku, Azusa, and Tatyova, an ex-friend of mine just set Iona on the table. I'm so glad she got banned.
Land destruction... Friends don't let friends play land destruction.
That said, that is why I play artifacts... But if they blow everything, they're kinda a lost cause...
As for Back to Basics, teaches players the power of basic lands.
Zen Triplets I'm ok with, as long as I'm playing my clone tribal deck. And because it is clone tribal, whatever they can do, I can probably do better.
Atraxa, she is #2 on my kill-on-sight list.
In my last game I had Mystic Remora out (but I always try and ensure that I get Solemnity out ASAP after it 😃) I also had Smothering Tithe and Rhystic Study...so it was...do you want to pay 4 and 2 and 1...for some reason the game turned into archenemy...😆
Yeah, it's a great card and I like getting, it. All of them are. I definitely had a Rhystic and Smothering during a recent game and it was tough to keep track of and probably annoying for everybody else. Eventually if they don't mention it and don't mention paying, I just draw my card and make the treasure. You need to hold yourself accountable though. If you've got the Mystic or Rhystic and you miss the trigger, you can't go back. You can for the Tithe though, because that's not a "may."
Our group likes to do decks with limits on deck price. Sometimes well do a 200$ deck limit and we'll get that guy with loads of 50$ cards "but it's in damaged condition dude" but most of the time it really spices up the weekends
A friend of mine had a blue/black "your deck is mine" deck with lasav mastermind as the cmdr. Anything you played to tried to do was either countered or stolen. NO ONE would play against that deck, and the only way I could even attempt to fight it was with geist of st traft cmdr damage, and that only worked a couple times. He decided to eventually scrap the deck cuz no one would fight it.
I am a little surprised though that he didnt put kalia of the vast on the list. In my circles, if anyone pulled her out as their commander, they were enemy #1.
I'm still really just a noob with MTG but I thought this video would be a laugh, interesting to see what mad stuff is out there... Yeah I use Jokulhaups, did not expect anything I use to even get mentioned lol
Thanks a lot for this guide! It's time to build my new "fun't" deck!
Can you please do a Scion of the Ur Dragon deck tech? I've been wanting to make one without spending too much and you are my favorite budget channel 🙂
Ive seen that "aminatou the fateshifter" is an instant target as soon as shes played. Her ultimate is basically a chaos effect.
My top:
1: Ciclonic rift (nearly obligatory in any blue deck, and is not cheap)
2: Flash (turn one cheap win whithout any chance of interaction some times)
3: gaia cradle (way to mandatory in any green deck for its price)
4: winter orb, stasis, back to basics (if you are going to make ma play a 1:30 hour game untaping 1 land per turn, just infinite comboo and win me on the spot, its just boring, and for 2-3 mana, sometimes you cant interact with it)
5: thieves auction, hall of gemstone, reality twist, naked singularity, scrambleverse (20 min resolving one spell and you didnt advanced the game in any way, is just a waste of time)
6: mindslaver (a card designed to target just one player, making the others dont targeting it, and you and up with no window to respond, and you cant surrender at sorcery speed, making it rude to not leaving a game you havent played in 9 turns...)
5:51 I just got the last cards for your Emrakul, the Promised End deck in the mail today
Oh boy, had a deck that I feel bad about looking back.
One of my first commander decks when the format was relatively new was a Jhoira of the Ghitu deck. Gameplan was suspending a giant eldrazi and then using extra turn spells to tick the time counters faster. As soon as a beefy creature was suspended, you would use the land destruction and board wipes to buy time before the big boys dropped. It was horrifying. As soon as I started playing it I realized the salt was warranted. The playstyle just didn't fit the casual nature of my playgroup and the format in general.
I mostly agree with this list. Though I also feel that people just tend to complain about everything. Yes, setting up a bunch of cards that freeze/lock out the game are worthy of making people salty. But then there are other cards listed here that people really just need to learn how to play around. By no means am I some skilled player, (i'm actually pretty mediocre) but I'm not going to get salty over someone having expensive cards or mildly annoying effects.
People get so upset about others using proxie cards, but then if they are gonna still be upset about expensive cards either way, then really all it is is them being jealous they cannot afford the better versions of things themselves.
Avacyn is annoying, not salty. A simple and budget cost card like Path to Exile deals with her. Mass removal such as Merciless Eviction deals with her. Forced sacrifice deals with her. She is really strong no doubt, but she has many openings.
Other than stax and land destruction effects, I feel that everything else is tolerable in reasonable amounts. Again, I just think players like to find something to complain about.
I was a little surprised to not see Cyclonic rift, and Exquisite blood/Sanguine bond on this list.
watching this, like every card is in a deck of a friend or myself. yes, one friend even has a foreign tabernacle he paid $350 for. didn't know the level of toxicity that exudes from our table. I used to run atraxa but have toned down the hate a bunch. I now run Rashmi for some fun double casts. rhystic study is in that deck, along with time stretch, ulamog, and a few others in this video. My atraxa was AIDS compared to Rashmi though.
Possibility Storm is probably on my list. It essentially protects itself from removal, and totally throws a wrench in any plans you may have had in your hand.
Vorinclex was my favorite card back in the day when I played magic. I played a deck that was based around stupid mana generation and huge creatures that were hard to stop if the opponent anything other than control decks. There were only 4 non-permanents in that deck: Genesis wave and a card that I do not remember, but also did something similar. I remember in one game where I got Vorinclex out on turn 2, which basicly ended the game right then and there, because most people where still generating 2-3 mana a turn. The salt that day was real.
Funny you mentioned that we actually have a well know rule in our edh group if you vorinclex before turn 4 you get hit with a chair, we haven't had to do it yet but it will 100% happen if someone does and it's been a well know rule for 3 years.
I pulled a Vorinclex from a GameStop's only IMA booster not knowing how much of a threat it can be. I put it in my deck, mainly focused on the mana doubling aspect while thinking "Eh, someone always has a method of removal, this can't be bad." I was wrong about that in our PG's meta. Whenever I summon Vorinclex, the table goes on full alert to Avengers Level Threat and jumps me lol
I have a Sydri, Galvanic Genius deck. If you use her ability with mycocynth lattice, it allows you to destroy a land for 1 colourless Mana.
I like how they hit practically every card that I’ve ever seen people groan at in commander. There is not a single card on this list that I have not seen used to murder a game. And with the cards in commander always expanding, there’s always a new annoying commander card that comes out.
When I cast Shared Fate(with my golos deck), I either hear groans or "what do this card card do?" . But to really get it going,you need to also play possibility storm. Or the good old Sire of Insanity+ Omen Machine.
I made a fun killing combo with smothering tithe and Jace beleren, Jace's uptick ability makes everyone draw a card, which means all but me has to either pay 2 mana of any color or give a treasure token for a extra mana.
Mine is Thieving Amalgam. Its a pain in the neck in any game I play, but what really took the cake was when Thieving Amalgam was combo'd with an ability to manifest ALL of the creatures in my graveyard.
So rather than being killed traditionally, my friend took 8 creatures and played them as morphs, those died to board wipe, I took 16 damage and he gained 16 life, he then recovered the card from graveyard, played it *again,* another board wipe from a different player trying to survive dealt 16 more damage and killed me. 😒
I don't hold grudges between games, but as soon as Thieving Amalgam or Smothering Tide comes out, all bets are off hahaha
I find comboing off from nowhere annoying, particularly when it comes at the end of a 20 minute turn, but the thing that bristles most is someone thumbing through my library to take my best creature - even more so if they've just been munching on a hot dog, or chips and have greasy fingers!
Hey I just played Armageddon today! It's fine as long as you have a clear gameplan with it.
I was always hated at my store, because my Golos deck is just named Answers.dec and had a very hard time losing. However, everyone enjoys my new Yidris deck, that just basically throws everything, everywhere. With Scrambleverse, Warp World, Possiblity storm, and the list goes on.
Liquid Metal Coating and Splinter.
When going up against a mono colored deck, use Liquid Metal Coating to turn one of their forests (or whatever) into an artifact as well as still being a forest. Then, use Splinter to remove target "artifact" from the game, then also search their hand, graveyard, and library to remove all other cards of the same name (Forest!) from the game.
Only lands left are the ones on their battlefield. 😈
Eww, gross, glad I don't play mono decks
@@Callyn9x only reason I knew about it was because someone did it to me.
I was playing mono black, and was getting mana screwed. 7 turns in, and I finally dropped my THIRD swamp... and then he did that to me.
I had 2 swamps to my name at that point. All the rest were gone.
I sat there in shock for at least a full 2 minutes... then conceded.
My sins, by category
Stax and Tax:
1. Stasis: I did that once. In Gaybros group hug. There was apparently a betting pool on howl long it'd take me to put Stasis in there. Someone one a draft set.
2. Winter Orb: In Urza. Everybody hates it, especially when I tap it to float a blue at the end of the round.
3. Static Orb: In Urza. Ditto.
4. Back to Basics: In Urza.
Unfair advantage:
1. Elesh Norn: Yep. In Gaybros Hugs
2. Cyclonic Rift: Every Blue deck I've built.
3. Aura Shards: Gaybros had some enchantment themes at one point. Aura Shards was nice there.
4. Consecrated Sphinx: I ran it in Baral. And then one time I managed to Windfall with it down. Woof.
5. Seedborn Muse: Gaybros Hugs.
6. Avacyn, Angel of Hope: Gaybros Hugs.
Rules changes:
I have a Gaddock Teeg, but I've never used it. I hosted a draft, and it was in the box.
Chaos:
1. Warp World. It and its cousin The Great Aurora appeared in Gaybros.
Buying your wins:
1. The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale: It's in Urza. Elves players hate it.
2. Gaea's Cradle: It's in Ayula. It's what I pull out for a casual game. Oddly, while Cradle is very good in this deck, this deck isn't really doing much ridiculous bullshit with it.
3. Mana Drain: It's in Urza. Players with Ulamog in their libraries hate it.
4. Ugin, the Spirit Dragon: I've run him in Baral and Gaybros. I have a playset from drafting a ton of Fate Reforged.
I win:
1. Omniscience: in Gaybros
2. Blightsteel Colossus: I did that in a Baral variant.
3. Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre found itself in my Gaybros deck, but I wasn't intending to cast it. It was anti-mill tech, but it came out the moment I Oath of Druids'ed into it.
In "That's just annoying":
1. Rhystic Study: Did you pay the 1? (I've put it in every Blue deck I've ever built.)
Annoying Commanders:
1. I've actually played the Atraxa precon. I bought it when it came out. But I've kept it stock all these years.
Last weekend one of my friends got a Dragon Mage into play in a three-player game. I had blockers, but the third player did not. So he just swung with it at her every turn, so we had to dump our hand every turn. Possibly the most frustrating game I've played in a long time, combined with his inordinate amount of removal spells to immediately nullify every creature I played, it was a severe pain in the ass and the game took almost two hours. I still won, but it was one of those wins where you are just so miserable you can't enjoy it.
I knew a guy with a tabernacle winter orb deck, and since it is taboo to use land removal, nobody could deal with it and it usually ended with everybody conceding and requesting that he doesn't play that deck in the next game. His deck had no creatures and would kill everybody with enchantments and artifacts while they could do literally nothing but draw and discard on their turn.
It just happened yesterday. This guy was using Augustin (BW Token control) played Omniscience followed by Smokestacks followed and armageddon... everyone else was pissed.
Huh. I kinda expected Meren of Clan Nel Toth to appear on this list. It was the second EDH Deck i built and i still think, that she is one of the most busted Commanders for all Graveyard Decks XD
People play graveyard hate now so its not really as strong. Also Muldrotha was printed and she just does it better and gets you blue.
The quote at the bottom of Obliterate is hilarious. :)
My dad has a hydra deck and DESPISES when I have Cytoplast Manipulator out
I got to say thank you for all the red and black land destruction I'll be definitely building a good deck here soon and it's not going to be EDH just regular 60 card deck
I got a mono black deck so I used to hate Iona, but that has been resolved already :).
I literally only run Sorin for his +2, I have only used the minus once because I was dead next turn, so I tried to help another player.
Just checked patreon and it looks like deck tech level is sold out. Any chance to increase that?
Power surge+ mana barbs + urzas armor
Trestideciphobia + tree of perdition
Havoc festival + wound reflection
Darksteel plate + pariaha's sheild + hornets nest
Razor swine + goblin tunneler
😈😈😈
I currently run all of these except the 1st 3
The same thing I said when I read the salt list on EDHREC...
What? No PERPLEXING CHIMERA??
That one is not utterly oppressive, but rather fun and... sometimes perplexing. It speaks for itself pretty well.
It's obnoxious, but can often create a fun puzzle.
I think Render Silent is a good candidate because it just makes it so the one spell a player is able to cast that turn is countered and then they can't play. In 1v1's that's almost a time warp for WUU
Play Stasis + Wilderness Reclamation + Kismet + Black Vice for the ultimate salt generation. Only you are allowed to untap lands, all permanents your opponents control enter the battlefield tapped, and Black Vice slowly pings them down as their hand fills up with spells they cannot play (or they just give up).
Anytime I see isochron scepter make it onto the field, I'm prepared for the game to be over.
I'm surprised to not see Null Rod (and friends), or for that matter Meekstone or Juntu Stakes make the list.
Back to basics stopped me cold last night. I had no basic lands and the next basic land was like 10 turns away.
9:25 That's funny. I got an Ugin in a booster pack. No joke.
I have zero problem with land destruction. Ever face a deck with 16 lands on turn 5 or 6? Proper use of LD to keep ramp decks in check
I usually say a mix of "study trigger" "May I draw" "paying the extra." This has lowered the annoyance for people with Rhystic Study. Saying "May I Draw" sometimes makes players say "I'm not going to pay for any of those." So free value
One of my friends once made a commander deck using narset and almost every extra turn card. It was gross and no one played against it
Amazing! love this video. thanx man!
I get alot of hate for my Nekusar deck that plays alot of land destruction. My Yidris deck which is a chaos build. And my Yarok deck, which is the Commander's Quarters deck with upgrades, because it combos off quickly and consistently. Also seriously Mitch my table hates that deck that you put together and I couldn't be happier with it!
Favorite most hated card, also leads to alot of thats a thing? Divine Intervention.
I'm really surprised zur's weirding didnt make the list.
That's one of the cards I play that always seems to draw out the most noticeable annoyance from my opponents.
One of my friends runs K'rrik. I am mercilessly against him when he pulls out that deck. And artifact decks when I see the Saheeli, the Gifted and Metalworker.
I play EDH with a group of friends and I made a dimir ninja deck that focuses on bouncing, etb/ltb effects, and battlefield control for handling creatures. One of my friends decided to make a jund aristocrats deck with a Korvold commander which is usually manageable most of the time until he brings out either Grave Pact or Dictate of Erebos. If i haven't managed to counter it or gotten a lucky snag with Fallen Shinobi or Gonti then I'm fucked cos I won't be able to keep any creatures out long enough to get to my next turn. Being dimir i don't have much in the way of enchantment removal, but luckily everyone else absolutely hates those cards too and they often do have ways to get rid of it. By then he'll have a 15/15 Korvold anyways and about 6 other creatures. Oh, and he also has some graveyard retrieval that can target any card type, so it's not hard to guess what he'll be bringing back with that
When the "well that's just annoying" category came up I immediately said "Rhystic Study" I genuinely hate that card. Every time anything happens "are you paying the one?"
I run a grand arbiter deck for my metas 1v1 call out board and I took the number 1 with him and I plan to stay up there for a long time
I play grand arbiter and man I get focused. I have humility, rustic study, winter orb, static orb, torpor orb, and a lot of rule cards. One you missed was kismet or the blue version where it makes all artifacts, creatures and land come into play tapped. I think you also missed the one card where you reveal the top card of your library and who ever has the high mana cost that person takes a turn.
$2000 for tabernacle! I'm pretty sure I have one. Can't wait to get home and double check.
Possibility storm ticks all the boxes of a salty card. But I absolutely love when it comes into play. So much fun!
Confusion in the Ranks draws out all the salt from everyone I've ever played my Norin deck against
I'm surprised you didn't mention Cleansing from The Dark in the land destruction section. I run it in my Oloro deck as a way to slow down a huge ramp deck or as a way to deal some damage to get my infinite combo going.
WWW Sorcery "For each land, destroy that land unless any player pays 1 life."
I can attest to that with Zur! I built an upgraded version of the budget one commanders quarters put on... and it definitely makes people salty. But to circumvent that saltiness, I only play it against really competitive commanders like Urza and so forth. I dont play that one against my casual group of buds. For now... Zur is sitting in my backpack collecting power. 😈
also there is a (semi) budget option for survival of the fittest same effect but on a creature called FAUNA SHAMAN goes for about 7 or 8 dollars
Playing a commander like Krenko Mob boss and something like "cursed totem" or "Damping Matrix" hits the board and you just go "well, there goes my game plan" and you just sit there and twiddle your thumbs while you wait for someone to remove it because you can't really do anything.
Zirilan of the Claw is another fun tutor commander and slows games down especially if you have a way to untap him to use him on other player's turns too. But I get hated on way more for Zur than him.
Rule no.1 when sitting against a blue player, utilize land destruction cards (they actually all have the unwritten ability "at least one player must cast a counterspell in their hand if possible") then your free to cast your important spells.
I had a derevi deck with deadeye navigator, prophet of kruphix, Kruphix, and omniscience 😈
I’m so proud I build a very casual Narset and no one’s complaining about it :D every card in the deck has to refer to a planeswalker either in their name or their flavortext :) and I’m looking to collect every version of Narset to put in it :D
Ahhh nothing like muldrotha with 3 preators and a tide spout tyrant. My play group will usually concede when I get them on the field