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I once heard somebody say that nobody else sounds like the Edge, and I said "no, he sounds exactly like himself 300 ms in the immediate past".
Underrated comment.
That is a good one!! Best comment! Most I read were this guy's great & this guy sucks. Is this the way guitarists think these days? Like bickering little kids. Sad
Edge sucks
Anyone can sound like edge . No one can sound like SRV, Jimmy Page, Clapton, BB King, or Hendrix.
@@ericbitzer5247 Only the ones who are not admired for being boring, even with all the technique and speed, they may lack the emotion, and that something special some mediocre players do have. They are indeed missing that EDGE!
Overrated: the guitarist you like.
Underrated: the guitarist I like.
So short but so true. That holds against a lot of discussions when music is being discussed and 'qualified'. Will remember this. Thx
superpowerfulmagnets that's your opinion 😀
Nothing more to say.
Edge is shit
@@blondie5989 Well, Edge isn't a guitarist, he's a guitar pedalist.
If Edge hides under a wall of delays, many a great guitarists we all know hide under a wall of distortions. Each great guitarist brings a signature sound into the table, and Edge brings his.
I wouldn't say a Joe Bonamassa, Jim Hendrix or John Mayer, for example, using overdrive/distortion to increase the loudness of his playing does not equate to the edges use of effects. Thats I just my opinion but I see him as more of a good effects player, not guitar player and I think he would agree with that too.
He still had an absolutely massive impact on guitar playing and definitely revolutionised the way we see effects but as a guitar player is a bit mediocre as I think he could only really play a singular style of heavily effected guitars, still a good, good guitar player if you know what I mean, I think the video with Jimmy Page and Jack White showed that.
Thats what the guy said in the video. He isn't saying that he is hiding in a bad way
U-2 is really an instrumental trio fronted by a mediocre vocalist. Their bass player is no Jack Bruce, the drummer ain't Ginger Baker, and Edge doesn't have Clapton's technical chops, so he has has to lean on his gimmick. Bono's a crap singer, but occasionally he writes a transcendent piece of music, which is most often given wings by Edge's playing. He has the best voice in the band as well (listen to Van Diemens's Land). If he fronted the band and they replaced Bono, Mullen and Clayton, they'd have a powerhouse group.
Distortion, reverb, and a little wah can hide poor right hand technique quite nicely.
@@dchristo10 I would go further and say, that effects in general can hide a lack of musicality, even if the technique is virtuosic.
The most important thing to be said about the edge is 1 he has his own sound 2 is original 3 melodic and that is something many guitar players will not achieve due to years of imitating their idols instead of developing their own craft
The Edge is a lame player and U2's music is crap.
Criminally underrated guitarist I will say is one of my personal favorites, Eddie Hazel from Funkadelic
Prakash John is a friend!
There are probably thousands of guitarist with more skill than The Edge. But I wouldn't expect a single one to take a guitar part from U2 and make it better.
Sam Gendron you really make me laugh.
Walk outside and swing a cat you will see 2
You are correct: a shitty piece of noise does not become music, even if played by the best guitarist.
@@peteralleyman1388 am I wrong if I say that from your comment I assume you know nothing about music and even less about guitar?
@@fabiogasperini4809
You are wrong.
I don't like U2 but Edges guitar parts are irreplaceable, he's no shredder, blueser, rocker but he is the sound of U2. Every guitar part fits the song perfectly. You don't sell millions of albums if you're rubbish.
Wait... What about Justin Bieber?
@J W Not for 3 decades.
@J W because money talks and bullshit walks. When someone sells million of albums, and makes millions of dollars in the process, for at least 3 decades, the mere fact that you don't like them doesn't make them mediocre. It is just your opinion, or mine, it doesn't matter, nobody cares. As I said, bullshit, your one this time, walks.
@@fabiogasperini4809 Madonna.
@@BenWGray yeah I'll give you that. I used to have a lot of Madonna tracks in my hard disk. I erased all of them. No regrets.
Most Overrated Guitarists: Shredders who play boring, forgettable virtuoso lead breaks.
Most Underrated Guitarists: Those who can compose indelible songs that people remember.
100% Right!!
THIS!! I was once at a King of the Blues competition in Guitar Center and they gave 1st place to a guy sweep picking throughout the whole track with a massive amount of distortion. No feeling whatsoever. A kid who actually had some great blues runs and had feeling in his playing took 2nd place. I told my friend (who was heading the KOTB) that the judges they had were a disappointment.
@@gtrman12887 You know a great solo when after repeated listening you can sing or hum the solo because it had a "melody" and feel that becomes an essential part of the song. 30 seconds of blisteringly fast runs in most cases add nothing to the to song and are just there for the guitar player to say "look at me".
Both are overrated. The real good ones are those who know how to switch between fast and slow, using speed to create tension instead of just showing off for an entire minute.
I bet you the shredder can write a memorable song but the songwriter guitarist definitely cannot shred!
Al dimeola... he’s one of the most technically proficient and complex melodically, every song I’ve ever hear of his I thought was technically incredible but I couldn’t remember a single melody after hearing....
Hell yes, Al Di Meola is awesome.
@@andrewharper1609 he is amazingly talented but people bashing on guitarists for writing uncomplicated riffs is wrong, kurt cobain isn't the best but his riffs were catchy which is a talent in itself, guitar shouldn't just be for elite players
Melody free show off.
Dimeola is a notable player, but if we're talking about seriously underrated and, in fact, unknown guitarists I would propose his RTF predecessor, Bill Connors.
Mediterranean Sundance, I can still hum that, maybe I’m crazy
Possibly the most civilized "rant" I have ever heard. And spot on!
I agree with you 100% about Edge. I see the delay as another instrument and he has so mastered it.
The thing that makes the edge so great is that he serves the music and the song. He is a band’s guitarist and not a guitarist’s guitarist if that makes sense. I respect that more than any shredder.
Thanks, agree 100%. What a toxic way of thinking: who's overrated, who's underrated, who is "the best". One looses the capacity to stay in the moment, to "feel spoken to" by the music.
Edge uses effects to fill out a basic 3 piece. Dotted quarter note delay dosent mean he's not totally on top of his rhythm chops. He's into the holistic sound of the band. He's a humble fellow given his amazing success with U2.
Totally agree Chris.... the Edge's shimmering cascading sound can give you the chills especially live its' a like waterfall of sound... not for everybody sure.... one man's meat etc.... I love to shred but Iv'e always known being able to flap your fingers faster than anyone else is not music... it's sport... being able to chose the right notes.. the ones that communicate and make people feel something... that's a true gift and what we all must aspire too... music must make you feel something or its missed the target... being impressed by technique never lasts... I always end up back with Gilmour... while not at all technical, he just the hits the spot musically and i can listen to his solos forever. Great vid as usual Chris... all the best!
When you can tell what guitarist is playing, just by hearing a few notes...they've definitely done something right!👍😎🎸🎶
Brian May is like that, too.
@@NH2112 yep
Santana and JM come to mind
Unless that’s Carlos Santana, who uses the same tricks and affectations to begin every song of his
The Edge is not the point - "find your own voice" is the point.
Very true listen to where the streets have no name live and try not to get the goosebumps or try not to bop along with your entire body to pride in the name of love. He may not play technical pieces but he moves the human soul and that's the point of music
"Bullet the Blue Sky" is a pop-rock guitar masterpiece.
The Edge's performance at U2's red rocks concert for me was one of the greatest live guitarist moments i've heard.
I'm not a big fan of U2 but I can easily appreciate the unique talent of The Edge. Long ago I was in a cover band and the majority of my bandmates wanted to cover "Bloody Sunday" and it was difficult at best to mimic his tone and sound. My appreciation for him grew immensely and I started listening to him in a whole new light...
Man, when the song "Gloria" first hit big the guitar playing sounded like something from Mars to me. I had never heard anything so cool sounding. Overrated??? He was a HUGE innovator. You have to judge these things with some kind of context in mind. There are a lot of guitar players today, who were heavily influenced by guys like The Edge. It's almost sad that videos like this have to be made. The downside of everybody having a voice on the internet is EVERYBODY has a voice on the internet. Thank you Mr. Buck
I agree 100%...you hit the nail right on the head there!!..context is everything!! At the time NO ONE sounded like him...you knew it was him when you heard him!! ...it's almost like everyone who says "Hendrix isn't that good.." Yeah not by today's standard of playing guitar but in context of the time he came out NOTHING sounded like that!! Am i wrong?..
Except you, nobody is judging here.
That song helped me to lift out of a bout of depression in the 1980's. Loved it ever since!
Great to see some positive vibes! I'm not exactly a huge U2 fan either, but I actually love that delay... It's iconic!
I've grown to believe that there are no overrated guitarists. We're at a time were guitar techniques are so varied that there's a style for everyone and that's fine. Personally my goat is David Gilmour, but some people say that he's quite boring with his overall slow playing and that's fine. I don't enjoy Steve Vai that much, but he's a literal god to some crowds and that's okay. I'm not gonna bash a guy for playing in a style that I don't enjoy.
@Benjamin S That's exactly what I commented about. Saying something like that is fine, everyone's entitled to an opinion.
Well said mate
Saying the fastest guitar player is the best guitar player is like assuming Olympic track sprinters would make the best running backs. But it's just not true. Quite frankly I have always found Gilmours phrasing and compound bending with extremely accurate intonation more satisfying to try to master than sitting in my bedroom for hours everyday trying to become the " fastest shredder in history"
There is no such thing as "overrated"
Someone's "rating" describes someone's public interest or popularity.
In the subjective world of music, the collective opinions are what drives a musician's popularity or "rating"
So collective opinion drives popularity. You can NOT "over" rate someone. Their rating (collective opinion) of value is a reality.
For example purposes only....
If a survey finds that 80% of people prefer chicken over steak, that leaves 20% that prefer steak.
Even if you are a part of that 20 percent for steak,...Chicken is not "overrated" because this is subjective and based entirely from collective opinion and 80 percent say otherwise.
Gilmour is precision to a fault. But that's how Pink Floyd always played. Very juke box. Impressive but like Keefer once said. Than just stay home and play the record.
I think Joshua Tree is one of the greatest albums of all time. Across all genres to Fantastic stuff. I cannot believe the Edge does not get a lot of respect. He sounds awesome.
He was so humble in “It Might Get Loud”. I have huge respect for him. I remember hearing Gloria for the first time. It is more than a song, it’s an experience to this day. I think the delay and repeating riff actually drives your brain into a state that is pleasurable. I’m talking brain wave state.
If you’ve taken up the guitar and try to find reasons to sh!t on other guitar players, you’ve missed the point.
alternatively, maybe after years and years of playing guitar, you've developed some opinions about playing guitar
@@AcceleratingUniverseMy 9 year old kid has years of dislike for broccoli, however he doesn’t appear to believe that anyone else wants to hear his opinion. He’s a wise kid.
As a tech metal fan I have a lot of respect for Edge. Dude knows his strengths and limitations as a guitarist and plays within them. If you watch the 60 minutes interview of the band Ed Bradley asks them about their massive pedal and efx setup and asks them why they have it. They give the most humble and self aware response: "Because we're not very good musicians".
And its become U2's sound. As soon as their music starts you know its them because of his tone and he's claimed that identity so very well. In the same way I find all metal guitarists sound the same, but have a technique that far surpasses many other guitarists. It's like a reverse where the latter don't get the technique rep they deserve because of tone.
Eddie Hazel from Funkadelic. The best and most underrated player of his era.
Dude was amazing!
Maggot Brain was his homage to Hendrix. Michael 'Kid' Hampton is worth a by association mention too. Then you see them both left out of Top 10 lists and Eric 'Yawn' Clapton up there.
@@Filumz Agreed. One Nation Under the Groove one of the best guitar records ever. No Eddie Hazel, Micheal Kid Funkadelic Hampton and the very underated Garry Shider. Doodoo chasers is epic!
Unreal
@@Filumz super stupid is a goddamn banger!
Great to hear Tommy Emmanuel get a name check. So well known, but not.....!👍🏻
Great video. Edge constantly gets way too much hate. Totally ok to not like him as a player, but you can't deny he's created a unique style. Very few have managed to create their own sound like he has. And if you think all you need is a Strat, Vox, and delay, you need to check out more of U2's work. He does WAAAAY more than that, he's got some crazy sounds. Zooropa and Pop are good examples.
I recognize the "Is that all?" reflex when I saw analyses of the Edge's guitar work. On the other hand, 1) see how much effort it costs dialing in the multiple delays pedals, and 2) there is a huge difference between creating a sound and recreating a sound. In recreating you know where you are heading, and what proved ro work, but in creating a sound you don't. And you don't know the appeal yet. Granted, the fingerwork doesn't seem impressive, but I think he is more of a sound sculptor than a pure guitarist. He created something everybody knows and is widely revered. You can copy that but you can't achieve something similar from scratch. So, mixed feeling here too, but hats off, people may overrate him, but he himself is not overrated.
Thanks so much Chris. That’s a really generous and perceptive review-perceptive not only about The Edge, but about how a consensus evolves from individual intuitions. These intuitions, I think, often outstrip mere ‘judgement’, which may be why we often feel there’s something wrong about an opinion but find it hard to identify what that is. As for learning to do things (such as work with delay) I suspect that all of us have the experience of finding we can just do some things without much thought while others require lots of application and may elude us anyway. (I think I remember you saying once that you found that guitar came to you pretty naturally when you started out). I wonder if The Edge didn’t just discover early that he had a knack for this area of technique and just stuck with it, rather than trying to develop a very wide range of abilities on guitar. I’ve done many tribute gigs to Neil Young and he’s a clear example of someone who found his strengths early and just stuck with them, using energy and a determined kind of expressiveness in his lead playing to force his technique above its limitations. I probably haven’t explained this well and may anyhow be wrong, but I’m grateful to you for helping to advance discussion in this tricky area.
The Edge is totally underrated. Got his own sound and the guitar serves the song. Not a U2 fan myself but credit where credit is due. He’s a great innovative player.
lovewalruss underrated?! Everyone think the edge is a great guitarist! Except guitar players. He plays beginner chords most of the time. It doesn’t take skill to fiddle with pedals until you find a cool sound. I would say the edge is an AMAZING musician and just an average guitar player. Just my opinion
Jake Hermes it depends what you mean by good guitar player. He’s innovative and has his own sound and his playing is fundamental to the huge hits of U2. In my view it’s not about masturbating up and down the fret board.
lovewalruss he is a good guitar player. Hell, I’d say he’s a great guitar player. But calling him underrated is just ridiculous. I’d venture to say that the vast majority of guitar players would agree. To each their own, I guess
lovewalruss I would say underrated MUSICIAN is more accurate but still incorrect. He’s not underrated bro. He’s the foundation to one of the most popular bands ever lol
Jake Hermes he has own sound which is distinctive. Not many ‘better’ guitar players have this. That’s the point.
“Does his own unique thing” that’s all there is to say - The Edge is fantastic
That's just nonsense. I've seen this arguement a million times, but a 2 year old sitting in the corner with crayons is "doing his own thing" but that doesn't make him Picasso.
@@rbilleaud 175 million worldwide in record sales - maybe my definition of fantastic is overstated. Anyway up his ok in my book - rock on 🤘
@@rbilleaud Well, that's a false comparison - if you think about it. We all can agree that the Edge has a musical competency and guitarist skill
galactically superior to a average guitarist or a crayon wielding child. His musical palette and skill with a brush are FAR superior to that of the average Joe.
@@rbilleaud Steve Vai is better than the edge, but I'd rather see the edge in concert. Guitar playing is so much more then just shredding, it's writing, tuning, and using one's skill competently to make memorable music. It's better to be a good better song writer than a great guitar player which is why guys like van Halen and Randy Roads are so revered because they were better seeing writers than guitarists
We all have our own tastes. I never cared for the arguments about who the greatest guitar player ever is because it's art. It's all subjective. You can say this or that musician is more technically skilled, but you're all right in that there's so much more to music than just knowing your way around the fretboard. It's just that for my money, I don't find the Edge that interesting. Although I will say one of MY favorites, Jimmy Page, has a lot of respect for the Edge and even filmed a special with him and Jack White, so there is that.
I've only just really begun to understand how great the Edge is. His playing in With or Without You I think is magnificent.
Nigel: "The Edge is just a lazy guitarist who relies on pedals." Seamus: "You know he was born in London, right?" Nigel: "Just as I was saying, The Edge is a musical genius who uses pedals in ways no one could imagine before him."
His Tech and TC Electronic should be on the best list.
To Welsh parents...
@@multipipi1234 Nigel: "Impressive he was so creative, what with him being mentally challenged and all. Bless his wee pointy head."
Hes from ireland tho... irish musicians are the most underrated in the world
@@VonArx_ you're missing the joke lad
Cmon it's not just sound. He wrote excellent riffs. And I do not like u2.
I sang a choral u2 song. I haven't found what I was looking for and the "guitar part" was sung by baritone and tenor. It was just power chords in a very simple progression. The vocals are hi and difficult, but I think the edge is nerfed guitar guy.
I don't think u watched the whole clip, he actually defends The Edge as a great guitarist
STRIKE FORCE So dOes YoUr mOm har har har
Edge is SHITE
He wrote crappy riffs
A great guitar teacher I once had said “if it sounds good it’s not wrong” I never forgot that line. It’s music, it’s art there’s no such thing as cheating and the Edge is a genius guitar player. It breaks my heart when people bash Paul Kossoff for not being a fast player or that he was too simple. But they don’t get it, Koss played some of the most soulful guitar I can think of and his control with his bends and vibrato and beautiful feedback, how he used Lesley speakers were in a league of his own. It might sound easy, but anyone who tries to play like Koss quickly discovers just how insanely difficult it actually is. But you know, you can’t please everyone ✌️
Kossof was one of the greats. Full stop. No question. Playing thousands of notes with no soul would never have worked in the context of Free. Tragic loss.
I think it was Duke Ellington that said it more firstly, (awkward phrase on purposely) when he said "If it sounds good.. it is good"
Anyone who has tried to play " pride, In the name of love" knows how difficult it is to set up the delay, and try to keep up in time with the repeats. The Edge creates background ambient tones, sure it's not for everybody, but any guitarist will respect it
The Edge is a musician prior to be a guitarist, it's his best skill. To much guitarists are polluted by their ego...
Great video lad! You should do most under rated players. Rory gallagher!!! Lol
Rory isn't underrated to those that know him and enjoy his music
@@tobyrutter3776 but in general he is under rated. I love him personally so glad he never joined the stones haha
Who underrates him?
@@jnicholl8596 I think you mean under appreciated even a deaf man knows how good Rory was
@@tobyrutter3776 sorry your right wrong choice of words my friend.
I heard The Edge right away. He's pretty good, because you need quite a lot of accuracy and rhythm, because every missed note will be more audible. And he's found his own unique style, which is fantastic!
Really interesting video! I'll subscribe right away.
Edge is part of a band. They've been building for 40'years. Edge carries guitar work in a four piece band in stadiums. You try that
Emerson Palmer Lake, 3 piece
Sign of iconic guitarist is if people recognise your playing within a few notes. The Edge rite up there in that respect!
Couldn't it also be a sign that your producer helped your band get out a catchy 'hit' or two with the faders up on the guitar?
That's an excellent comment
@William Loudermilk you don't make sense.
Hank Marvin is criminally underrated
Agreed. Not known much past The UK
Nah! He’s just a criminal.
Along with "No Key" Edwards ...
@@anthonyfrancis2374 explain how? Unless you're joking
@@mikkywhalan I was kidding Hank and Nokie Edwards the unsung heroes.
Maybe not technically, but creatively, the Edge is a brilliant guitarist. He forged a sound that rocked the whole world snd touched not just teenagers, but pretty much everybody in the 80s. That's really something! So many guitarists and bands have integrated his style into a million pop songs over the decades. No one guitarist has all the answers - but the good ones leave their own unique signature that lasts forever.
Memorabe sound. Memorable riffs. Memorable songs. All hallmarks of a great guitarist!!
As ever, you are the voice of reason.”The Best” in an artistic field is meaningless. BUT you are certainly one of my favourites, thank you sir.
I just love Chris' music. Always tasteful and the emphasis is all on the music, never on showing off or speed or whatever.
Brian Setzer is the most underrated, he didn't even make the Guitar Player Magazine top 100???!!!?? There are a bunch of overrated ones for sure!
Most underrated: Brian Setzer.🤘
Brian Setzer was a highly -regarded player in the 80s and 90s. But I’m not disagreeing with you. He’s a great player.
Great. A genius.
Mick Taylor
🤘
Jeff Martin too
I quite like the Edge. I feel his style is innovative and adds a lot to the sound of U2. As for underrated guitarists ... I'd say Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo from Sonic Youth and Kevin Shields from My Bloody Valentine are hugely underrated.
The Edge created a Very Unique Sound that is Identifiable Anyware ...
This is the definition of GENIUS
Lists like this are detrimental to creativity. Thank you, Chris, for speaking up about it. Music is not a competition.
If anything , the Edge is an underrated backing vocalist. The key really to the success of U2 as a band is that it is more the sum of its individual parts.
The backing vocals of Van Halen almost turned me into a true fan, just like the amazing Eddie and showmanship of Roth almost could have. Still appreciated and enjoyed but not the very top of the favs list, but the "full band" done by 4 dudes...the extra true, can do it live back up vocals nearly did it. Thanks mostly to the bassists Mark Anthoney.
No, it’s because they made a sound that was most commercially viable. There’s absolutely no correlation between how “great” a band/artist is and how successful are on the mainstream charts.
"Picasso was a bad painter but a brilliant artist"...Salvador Dali
Bwaaaah Ha Ha! Did "The Dali" actually say that! He had the chops to back up anything he said, tho.
"Christopher Columbus comes to America" , the 3d style portrait he did is a portrait i have never seen a painter rival, the man was technically amazing, he could literally paint anything...and did! Prolific .
Yeh but you could reverse that and say Dali was a great painter but bad artist. One art teacher I had in particular hated his stuff, loads of other teachers were lukewarm about his stufff... it's just opinion at the end of the day.
@@mikethebloodthirsty I think there might be some confusion of my original post I was just using that Dali quote in relation to the Edge and some people's criticism saying he is not that good of a guitarist.
@@mikethebloodthirsty some times opinion has no meaning, when it mistakes lack of talent, for "Genius"
I use "Christopher Columbus " as an example of Dali, because there are NO melting clocks, or grandiose symbolism, just a modern version of a classic portrait, impossible to dismiss Dali's skill, as a "classical painter"
What he did with his training is like Juliard students playing Be Bop Jazz. It's "Rocket science"
Picassio had classical chops too, it's just Dali had more.
It's like a style survey sometimes, but you can't compare the Sex Pistols to Pink Floyd , or Pink Floyd, to Yngwie, or Yngwie to Wayne Shorter, or Chick.
If you do you find the same base of blues maybe, then technique, then knowledge.
You could say i put a Formula 1 engine in a dump truck, or wore a Tux to McDonalds, i mean if you look at pop artist avande gard artists they may reject classical all together .
It is art , but art as a contrast to Art created with the tools of a massive skill set, then creativity on top of that.
You could also say fuck artistic perfection, just kill .
I find it hard to deny talent with opinion, there must be acceptance .
Can you do it?
One thing about being an artist yourself is, know what you don't like .
I saw a Marty Friedman lesson on riff writing, where Marty said, " don't use Yngwie as a marker of what you do, Fuck Yngwie, just fuck him, be you!" ...lol
Here is a reference to Dali" Columbus"ua-cam.com/video/4BQ43zSHVI8/v-deo.html
Somehow, I doubt that The Edge lies awake at night, worrying about how some unknown wanker might be thinking that he's, "Overrated."
It was his opinion though....it doesn’t mean he is really overrated
Happy New Year Chris, thanks for all you’ve done to keep our spirits up in 2020. 🤘🏻👍🎸🥂🍾🥂🍾🥂🍾🤘🏻👍🎸
Although i’m not a massive fan of U2 (or Bono even). But he’s a top solid guitar player and probs the king of guitar delay badass-ness if that’s a word XD
Great video. Nice to see a positive video for once that isn’t hating on someone for a change :)
Maybe someday these Overrated Guitarists will do a UA-cam compilation of the Most never heard of Bedroom Guitarist:-) :-)
malcolm quiney someone sounds offended...
Ha ha ha owned! Respect to you sir
@@jakehermes4533 maybe you?
A: If you listen to the video Chris isn't arguing that The Edge actually IS 'overrated'... on the contrary, he's saying he's likely UNDERRATED, and B: for the record, Chris Buck is no "Bedroom Guitarist".... and he's most certainly been "heard of".... at least more so than "malcolm quiney" or "Gary Stackhouse". :-)
Fabio Gasperini yep. You caught me
I really just came here to see if anyone else thinks Joe Bonamassa is over-rated.
Not though is he.
Yeah, I kinda take it back. The guy can play, for sure, and likes all the same guys I like, so... maybe the best cover player I’ve heard in a long time.
Using pedals as part of your style doesn't mean you can't play- it just means you like effects. Take away scales and most guitarists would lose their signature style too. Everyone relies on certain things for their sound, nothing wrong with liking pedals.
Anthony Sclafani Imagine Jimi without wah or fuzz.
Graham Wong there was a time
@@flux1968 Peter Holmstrom is a fantastic example.
Sonic architect... good phrase
Jimmy Page coined that term about the edge.
@@charliebrown3082 actually, Bruce Springsteen used a similar phrase to describe him when U2 were inducted in the Hall of Fame.
Most underrated guitarist out there for me: Mr. Chris Buck!
... been lucky enough to see U2 live opening for The Talking Heads in 1981 (hard to believe but true) : The Edge had hairs then and played on a Gibson Explorer (or was it a Firebird ?) and with maybe not more than 3 or 4 pedals - and he could already give this incredible U2 echoing pulse that sounded new at the time... just less ethereal ambient he would get later, a bit darker, just as on « Boy »... wonderful sound and playing !
Speaking about underrated rythm guitar players, David Byrne (Talking Heads) is a very good one - not sure a lot of guitarists would be able to play his parts...
I'd say of all the players I've tried to learn from the Edge is one that's stretched me the most. As you say locking into the delay time is frankly at times beyond me.
Edge underrated. Cranks out memorable riffs !! Ritchie Blackmore is another. He gets left off a lot of lists, and I don't know why ...
Copyright problems if you play any Blackmore riffs?
So many people are so keen to jump to Gibson's defense stating they ought to be able to protect their intellectual property but Sir Blackmore, et al, are not able to protect theirs? Copyrights were specifically created for this purpose, to protect the authors rights to how their creations are used. UA-cam doesn't pay royalties for the right to these works so why should they be able to profit? The copyright claims are actually against UA-cam itself - by way of allowing creators to post unlicensed materials and then sell advertising. They are legally required to comply with US Copyright law so they claim the ad revenue on behalf of the rightsholder, demonetize, or remove the infringing videos based upon the request.
UA-cam should just settle with ASCAP and BMI to pay the royalties in the way bar owners do for cover bands that perform popular songs. That would be the single best all around solution to the problem.
And I always thought he made everyone's top 100 list for sure.
@@itsmeagain1745 It's not that. Jimmy Page is a bigger blocker. I think that has to do with being unpopular and unfriendly.
@@3du76 - Blackmore has definitely been blacklisted due to his trash talking and supposed unfriendliness. Well, maybe not SUPPOSED ha
Because he is not a good guitar player. Put him up against the better players and he does nt hold up. Biggest claim to fame. Smoke on the water. Get real.
This intro takes one on a journey...Very good emulation...
I really enjoyed this. I've been guilty of putting The Edge down in the past (pretty brave for a guitarist who's been playing in bar-bands for thirty years!), but you're absolutely right: by the criteria of being able to recognise their playing (and therefore their influence) he's at the very top level.
Personally, I've been quite swept up in the musical beauty the Edge creates. I'll take him over Yngwie Malmstein all day every day.
That's probably because Yngwie doesn't play music, he plays notes.
That's fine, he's just not a great guitarists.
Jimi Lee, why would Edge not be a great guitarist? Is shredding and technical mastery the only way "greatness" is measured on the instrument? How about the emotion and sonic color created? How about how the playing fits the context of songs it is on? How about the originality of the playing? All those elements, to me, are more indicative of great playing than sheer ability to play complex runs of note combinations in a manner akin to singing the ABC's or State names as a show of the whole possible pallete.
To me great guitar playing lies in how it makes the listener feel and how it serves the music it is part of. Edge does that with instantly recognizable uniqueness. That is the artwork.
@@jimilee4660 Says who? You should really listen more carefully to his rhythms and his solos, especially on a song like The Fly, and hear the sonic beauty he creates. What defines a great guitarist is the sound that comes out of the guitar, not necessarily what his hands can do. Some of the fastest and most technically proficient guitarists aren't great guitarists, imo, because they don't make music. I admire their technical ability and the hours of practice that went into developing that proficiency, but so many of those guys don't know the first thing about making music.
Making music is the objective purpose of a guitar - not just playing notes. Pretty much anyone can learn to play the guitar with technical proficiency if they put in the time. Making music that millions of people want to listen to and purchase is far more difficult and requires a greater level of talent.
@@jrdiii2914 I refer you to the comment immediately above yours in the thread.
The Edge identifies as a guitar technician and, in my opinion, he's rather good in that respect. Others may disagree and I respect their point of view.
5 best guitarists
5. Tom verlaine
4. Johnny Marr
3. Jimi hendrix
2. Jimmy page
1. Kylie fucking minogue
You forgot Madonna
Special mention : Lil Wayne
There's very much a place for technology in music and the edge has used it brilliantly
Cliff Gallup, Elliot Easton, and Michael Landau are three of the most underrated players ever. There's a wealth of knowledge to be found in each of their catalogs!
Elliot Easton was the first to pop into my head. About ten years ago I decided to deconstruct and learn the solo in the Cars song “Shake it Up,” and I still can’t play it - because there’s a point in the solo at 2/4 into it where Elliot departs from playing guitar and is more “breathing” it, like there’s nothing between his mind and the sound coming out of his strings. Elliot Easton doesn’t play guitar - he speaks it, and he speaks with his own accent.
A great guitarist composes great music I can name a half dozen so called great guitarist that never produced anything
Guitar playing is not the most technical means the best. It's about creating new sounds, riffs and songs. Who are you to judge.
Absolutely
Edge has a beautiful touch on the guitar. In the doc movie Rattle and Hum listen out for the small snippet back stage in the motor home when he is going over the chords for all along the watchtower on an acoustic guitar. The most beautiful clear touch for strumming chords.
Sometimes a unique sound that has never been heard before can make a song or a record stand out from the rest. It is not always how many notes you can play per measure or even how well you play them. Chris, I believe you are dead one here! Thanks!
I think Andy Summers is underrated, always plays just the right thing for the song and in a 3 piece band not something just anybody can do.
Without a doubt Andy Summers is underrated
@@caprise-music6722 Andy is one of my faves
Not as a singer though
IS THAT MY MOTHER ON THE PHOOOOOONE
Nah, if anything, Summers and his band mates are waaaaay overrated. The Police were a glorified reggae band, boring af
I haven't listened to U2 in over a decade, yet I recognized that sound with the first chord you strummed.
Liked this take more than I thought I would based on title. The Edge plays amp -- he's a master of tone, texture, timing, taste. "A sonic architect."
The Edge is within the Ringo Syndrome. Plays with famous band, integral part of the band's sound, very creative, plays things that sound GOOD but technically limited or at least non-virtuosic. If you feel technique is an end in itself, you'll never like Ringo Syndrome players. If you see technique as means to an end and it's end that matters then you can appreciate what they bring.
More than a guitarist he's a magician he's a warlock he's a whole ban unto himself and he uses his effects and an intelligent man
I'm always amazed when i hear youtube people sum up great guitar players and always leave out the name PRINCE, the most underrated great guitarplayer of all time!!!
Chris you’re spot on. I’m kinda dating myself here but I grew up in the era when what The Edge was doing on guitar was new. He wasn’t doing anything anyone else was doing. His riffs, use of effects and style fit the band he’s in. And they were successful. If you’re a guitarist then you’re a musician. If you’re a musician then you’re an artist. As an artist there should always be room for everyone...and that’ll leave room for you. I can appreciate U2’s spot in the industry. I can appreciate what part The Edge plays in his band. And I can appreciate his use of effects. Not many guitarists today gig, jam, or experiment without a pedalboard at their feet or at least a couple of pedals.
I once stood close to the edge
There are thousands of really great, talented and amazing guitar players out there who will never be anywhere near as successful as The Edge has been. Being "really good" at the guitar is only one fraction of what it takes. The Edge is known through out the world....and he did it with the musical and guitar talent he was given. ....what we on youtube think of him doesn't really matter....
Hello from the late 2020 lockdown.
The best guitarists tend to be either the fastest, the most original, the most creative,the ones with the ability to play the most scales and chords, the ones with the ability to play in the most styles, the ones that play in your favourite bands, the ones that produce the music that touches enough souls to make a career out of it, the ones that touch your soul with their music, or a combination of any or all of the above.
My guess is that the majority of people commenting on this thread are guitarists.
The main thing is to keep playing and get better if you can, but always enjoy it.
dreams to remember Live is just mindblowing woooowwwwww...In my eyes, you, SIR CHRIS BUCK OF SOUTH WALES, are the GREATEST GUITARIST ALIVE IN THE WHOLE WORLD !!!!!!!!!!!!! God bless you, Chris Buck... yep, I'd know Edge's playing anywhere !!!
several years ago Q magazine published the top 100 guitarists in the world
david gilmour came in at #84--?!
l stopped reading tops lists!
they only represent someone elses opinion
if you believe your opinion superceeds anyone elses keep it to yourself!
there's no accounting for taste, can't we just agee to disagree?
Totally agree, Shouldn't be in the top 100.
If you were to include acoustic players then 84 is justified
I guess it depends on what you like from a player. If you want just technique & proficiency then I'm sure there are maybe 'better' proponents out there but if your yardstick is 'created the greatest riffs' & music that has spoken to millions of people around the world, then Dave has to be top 10. Put it this way, I'd rather listen to 8 mins of Dave playing Comfortably Numb than 1 minute of anything by any of the 'shredders' but maybe that's just me.
Growing up in the formative years, from Under A Blood Red Sky through Zooropa, I consider myself fortunate to have been around at just the right time to have appreciated them at their best.
It's definitely easier today to sit between a ping pong delays with sub-divisions and dotted 8th/16th notes; you have advanced digital delays with "ducking" functions that drops the volume when needed to keep the repeats from tying up together. To be honest, that's the only way early on I was able to sit in between the 2 delay settings in a way that works (I also don't really use delay in any big way, I'll use it for lead playing or maybe for clean arpeggios in my rhythm; I got along just fine with simple analog Friday without tap tempo for a long time, though I'm using delay in a more intricate way, but not by much).
However doing that type of delay like the Edge uses, how he was doing it early on; namely just setting up 2 EHX Memory Man's, dialed in just using the knobs takes a far more patient player.
You can’t be overrated in the Arts - taste is subjective.
Can you be overrated as a 100m sprinter for example? You can clinically assess the abilities and record of a 100m sprinter or weight lifter by analysing the data in an objective way. Even then, you can introduce subjective elements to an athlete’s rating or reputation.
I am not sure what the purpose of this video is. You don’t like delay? You don’t have many U2 albums?
If it’s guitar effects that bother you then you may end up only listening to Jeff Beck who doesn’t use any and yet is about as good as anyone in generating a diverse sonic landscape in his playing by simply using his fingers and volume control.
I get why people think The Edge is overrated, but just try riffing off the delay like that properly it’s pretty much impossible.
Bullet The Blue Sky live 1992 Zoo TV Tour Arco Arena Sacramento Ca was pretty impressive a very Hendrix like moment I'll never forget it.
Couldn’t agree more! True innovators never get their due, as it requires 20/20 hindsight for most to finally understand what they were doing.
Guitarists sometimes forget it’s music first guitar second
Chris rea is a great player,
One of my heroes!
Definitely
I totally agree. The Edge is master of creating textures. As you well said, something between a lead and a rhythm player. We still have to consider that the band is mostly a trio with a vocalist (who very occasionally plays some additional rhythm guitar), and the rhythm session (bass+drums) is very minimalist (that’s a part of their style, not a criticism). That means a lot of space, which The Edge has been able to fulfill with very tasteful and musical textures. Yes, his playing is identifiable in nanoseconds, what means that he has a very unique “voice” in the instrument, the ultimate goal for any musician. Additionally: in the first couple U2 albums The Edge was able to create the same level of beautiful “layers” without using delays.
Damn I'm always impressed how clean your playing is