the fact that hiyyih has been offered brand deals from big brands, but wake**e turned them down just because it isn't for the member they want is insane.
@@drstone5897 1) Bahiyyih isn't hated in korea. I'd go as far as to say she's irrelevant just like other kep1er members since koreans literally only acknowledge wa da da's existence. Nothing else about the group or the members. They simply dont care enough to hate any member 2) Groups that dont have any korean acknowledgement can benefit from having brand deals. It at least makes koreans aware of her international popularity & her group as well. Acknowledging international popularity can be a positive thing for a group and could build more recognition ( LOONA is a good example of that ). Also, Koreans didn't give a darn about Fifty Fifty until they literally topped the billboard top 100 and then they acknowledged the groups existence. As for Bahiyyih, a clip of the loud screams of fans during her parts during kcon had + 1M views and korean comments reacted positively towards it by acknowledging her international popularity. 3) Xiaoting brand deal was also rejected. What's your excuse for that ?
@@drstone5897The fact that you are blinded by your dislike for her that you can't fathom how people could possibly like her without being associated with her brother is sad. I became a fan of the group during the debut era and I found her to be sweet personality wise. I didn't even know who kai was since I only follow girl groups ( barely know BTS faces & names let alone know what txt was. Still dont care about them. I only care about kep1er ). Even if you don't acknowledge her personality / individual qualities that would organically give her fans during a span of +1.5 years & multiple comebacks & content, what do you think about people who started biasing her after seeing her interact with Hikaru since Hikaru (someone with a very blunt, honest & straightforward personality) repeatedly mentions how she loves her enough to call her a soulmate ? That has nothing to do with her brother now does it? and yet she still gained new fans as a result of it.
@@drstone5897 sorry but hiyyih votes in Korea were pretty high and she would still make it in to kep1er top 5. Secondly i Stan her because she has great potential and her voice is so beautiful. I understand you dislike her because of your favs not making it in but if I said xt took someone’s better spot by making it last place I would look as the bad guy. Anyway be a supportive keplian or just don’t hate or mention hiyyih thank you.
Rotational centers have always been an unspoken fact in the third gen. I don't know why people insist on having one single center for a group when a center should be the member that suits the concept most that era.
fr! like we could see rn with zb1 that zhanghao and hanbin are kinda going as rotational centers. wakeone couldve done the same with chaehyun and xiaoting atleast
@@hehetsam you're right but the 1st place fans FREAK every time their fave isn't in the center. rotational centers will always make more sense (especially since the concept of a "center" is just something Mnet made up for drama on survival shows) but now it's become a big part of kpop and it'll be hard to walk it back.
@@hehetsam but it's still unusual that the center begins/leads all choruses. typically, a song should have the center beginning the first chorus, then another member beginning the second. but zb1's center begins both choruses, as well as the second half of the last. it was a bit overwhelming imo. i couldn't see the other members.
@@cuteboiji true, I'm zhanghao biased but I was still overwhelmed seeing him mostly in the mv, i felt like the others were barely on screen. like the center should shine the most I agree but they should give alot of the other parts to the other members as well :/
Also this rotational centers could work to help project groups so that way those that need a spot light or fit the concept can have an era that fans can love because its their bias.
*I HAVE THE TIME MACHINE !!!* in order to get there, you need to recreate the characters steps from the movie *RACE TO WITCH MOUNTAIN* im being completely honest, witch mountain is real and they do more than just deal with alien humanoids. I HAVE TIME TRAVELED TO SAVE AESPA FROM THE CLIMATE CHANGE SITUATION THAT THEY WERE PUT IN BY SM. *my machine has now been fully prepared to help Kep1er* we only need 4 kpop stans (non toxic ones please) to make it into witch mountain. i wish i could go with you, but i just stay behind to defeat the bad government officers who may try to destroy our saving Kep1er mission. REMEMBER - Watch RACE TO *WITCH MOUNTAIN* to understand how characters eventually made it to *WITCH MOUNTAIN* If you truly want Cheryl to manage Kep1er, please go to my time machine that’s inside *WITCH MOUNTAIN* and it will be so deadly and painstaking to make it but *FOR KEP1ER WE MUST RACE TO WITCH MOUNTAIN* see you at the time machine, my almighty Kep1er veteran.
Although I am not a Keplian or a Bahiyyih stan, I think her voice sounds really pleasing to me, especially in Back to the City. W1 should allow her to sing more lines.
@@nelliebellie2222 Hi, Hiyyih has more vocal lines in Kep1er's B-sides/Japanese songs. Like in their songs, Back to the city, Daisy, Happy Ending, Why, Love on Lock,Good Night, I do, do you?, Together forever, Girls, Dreams, Lion Tamer, Sugar Rush, etc. In Kep1er title tracks, Hiyyih has had “most” Vocal lines in 3 of 5 Kep1er's title tracks(Up!, Giddy & Galileo compare to Wa Da Da & We Fresh where she has mostly ad-libs/1 line.
The craziest thing is that wakeone is capable of good things, zb1’s debut is literally AMAZING compared to Kep1er’s debut Edit: For the people saying Kep1er’s debut is better than zb1 it’s not only music I’m talking about. It’s also promotions that were done better, their variety content, their guest appearances on shows. I know zb1 has a stronger lineup compared to Kep1er but things like promotions can be done while whatever the lineup is.
zb1 has a better lineup and is more cohesive imo, so they were able to make their debut album a concept which fit all the members. when kep1ers lineup was announced, just like how fans were surprised, i bet wakeone was too and wasnt sure what concept would fit them so they stuck to the general space theme (and kept experimenting with each comback). cheryl did great with this video and shes right, kep1er could done amazing and captured the audience if only wakeone had thought more (ex: making mvsk the debut song) instead of using them for a cheap cash grab
Beforehand, I didn't see how much potential kep1er truly had until you quite literally put wakeone to shame with this video alone LMAO. In all seriousness, whether kep1er was an experiemnt for future survival shows or not, that is no excuse for the lackluster effort the company has done. You showed how these girls TRULY could have been at the forefront of the monster rookie girl groups from the 2022 class. Utter disappointment to see such talented group go to waste. PS. I know I always comment about and it gets hella repetitive but the editing is just SO GOOD cheryl!!!
*Hi I agree with all of your comments. Kep1er members deserves so much better from Wakeone. I am honestly worried of how their last year is going to turn out because of Wakeone is going pay attention more to their newest group,ZeroBaseOne(ZB1). ZB1 debut song and music video had a larger budget than Kep1er’s debut. just look at the public reception of their debut song and album compare to Kep1er* •Also, recently Mnet announces audition applications for girl group survival program “I-LAND 2”.The final group lineup will debut in the first half of 2024 managed under WAKEONE.
I fr agree with this. Being the Guinea pig of Mnet and WO does not mean that all their decisions regarding Kep1er have to be so painfully half-assed. If they had put in the work to REALLY make Kep1er as successful as possible, I bet they wouldn’t have made more than half of the decisions they have alr made. Maybe then ZB1 and Kep1er would both be big hits rn instead of WO saving all their hard learned lessons from Kep1er on ZB1…
@@yeseokep1er well she made good points through out the video and people are ok to agree to it. Whether she is an ot8 stan or gives bahiyyih back handed compliments, those things don't matter as long as her points are valid, people are free to agree or disagree to it. That's the point of a discussion.
Seeing how ZB1's concept, music and lore is already so interesting and captivating gives me such mixed emotions as a Kep1ian/Zerose. It proves that W1 is more than capable of giving a group good effort and direction, but since Kep1er was the experimental group to test the waters on a new survival show after the scandal and the lineup didn't have exactly who they wanted, Kep1er got the bare minimum. The fact that WDD was filmed literally near W1's trashcans proves it to me. But seeing how they fumbled T01 and Jo Yuri, I can't say that I'm too shocked. I'm so happy for ZB1, but man, Kep1er deserved better.
The amount of times I screamed "YES!" while watching this video probably has my family worried. I have been so frustrated with Kep1er since the start because it is not that they don't have good songs (they do) or that the girls aren't talented (they are), but whoever is taking the decisions seem to just be autosabotaging themselves for no reason, choosing to do the stupidiest thing they can think of.
This is what infuriates me about Kep1er, they have a lot of potential to actually be a top girl group! All the members have unique charms that can attract different types of people. They're extremely talented and have a relatively good popularity from the start.
Look at ZB1’s debut song, cheerful happy, lively garden. What did Kep1er get? Baby words, dull, playground design. Sorry but the Kpop Industry just biases boys over girls.
*Hi, Yes I agree people really underestimate Kep1er’s dance line.Of course, Hikaru, Dayeon and Xiaoting are incredible main dancers.* *But I am so frustrated why people always forget Yujin, Youngeun and Yeseo that are apart of the dance line as well and they are great dancers! I honestly hope Kep1er gets more songs, performances and covers that can showcase their talents.*
well.. it’s true, but it’s because kep1er has a really good dance line. so that doesn’t really make yujin a bad dancer , because she isn’t best out of these girls which almost all 9 of them are really good dancers.
"No one in W1 has ever taken a marketing class" So true! Crazy thing is they don't need to! Like I'm a tech student and I could've done a better job at promoting this group! I know that they don't have the best lineup but if W1 wanted to, they could've done so much better!
I really don't know because with ZB1 they are doing really well, members have already been sent to luxury brand openings, they are already on nolto, and many 3rd gen groups haven't even been on nolto, kstarnextdoor, their own reality show, and so many magazine covers and editorials. Honestly all of this could be done for Kepler as well but i believe they kept Kepler as a testing ground for other coming produce groups
@@snehaswati Right. Kepler was created for testing purposes. I think the main factors behind kepler's failure are the pandemic and the lack of distinct sound. Also, mnet couldn't create the group as they wanted to. During gp I really thought this group will be popular but in the finals when the lineup was formed I was not so sure either. At this point, W1 has given up on the group. They are giving them random songs without creating a distinct sound for them. It's sad to see these girls' talent being wasted.
For variety shows, I must point Hikaru is a stand out since her screams and bubbly + blunt personality stands out. The compilation videos of her screams & the members laughter every time she's chaotic are proof enough. As for the most energetic team variety shows, I recommend Hikaru , Youngeun , Yujin , and Dayeon since you will always see them either create the chaos or add on to it by joining in 90% of the time ( ft Xiaoting since she's mostly chaotic and screaming when she gets super competitive in contests / challenges rather than day to day content )
I am so happy seeing someone else appreciate Yeseo’s charisma for center! She really slayed throughout the whole competition and really can draw your eyes even when she is in the back!
the random jabs at hiyyih and her fans are weird(plus considering the other girls solo fandoms aren’t any better), apart from that i agree with your points in the video. Kep1er really could’ve been one of the top ggs right now if they were marketed well by their company, it almost seems like they used the group as an experiment and now that they know what works and what doesn’t they’re using that for their new bg which is zb1. The only thing i would like to add is that seeing bahiyyih and hikaru’s friendship they could’ve gotten a show where they invited other idols, the girls seem to have a really likable personality too and it would’ve been a huge hit considering bahiyyih has a huge fandom and inviting other idols may get their fans interested in the group.
The only solo fandoms among Kep1ians that generally don't cause many issues of infighting so far have been Chaehyun, Shiro, and Yujin stans. Literally every other solo fandom among Kep1ians have been so toxic. But Hiyyihlights get the hate because they're the loudest, and I don’t think that's fair.
Realisticly speaking , hiyyihlights have in fact been the most toxic fandom within the group , it was quite literally hiyyihlights vs every fandom at some point , hiyyihlights even fought amongst themselves and they continuously trended Kep1er disband when no other fandom did
@@graham735 That infighting didn't come from nowhere though. The other fandoms often pick fights with Hiyyihlights just as often as Hiyyihlights pick fights with them, if not more. Hiyyihlights also became toxic due to the fact that Hiyyih was constantly attacked as a contestant both during GP999 and still is as a member of Kep1er. People are going to hear and see Hiyyihlights more because she has the biggest fandom, so the toxicity is louder. But the jabs at Hiyyih are still unnecessary.
Excellent video!! I was really looking forward to it and u did not disappoint! I also think Bahiyyih could have been given like a show similar to eunchae from lesserafim to showcase her variety skills as well (from what I have seen she seems pretty funny and likeable)
Hi I agree. I think it’s kind of a concidence that you mentioned that since Bahiyyih and Eunchae have been friends since they were classmates before their each of their debuts. Bahiyyih has done a couple vlogs along with her friend and Kep1er groupmate Hikaru. I hope Wakeone allows Bahiyyih to do Vlogs, it could really benefit Kep1er and her solo fans.
Honest straightforward analysis how to reorganize the K-pop girl group Kep1er had such potential to be successful in the music industry each member have very distinct strengths personalities Talents charisma charm and Stage presence
Omg, I love when you talk about Kep1er, cause I feel so frustrated about everything with this group, they deserved so much more. I would like to ask a stage presence ranking and archetype of the girls :)
The way I screamed in excitement when I saw this… If anyone needs me, I need to explain to my neighbor that an irl slasher film isn’t taking place in my apartment 😅
This was a very interesting and well made video (which I clicked because of the thumbnail, I don't actually stan Kepler), but, as an objective viewer, there were parts where you sounded unnecessarily harsh when discussing specific members. I think you can say you think someone lacks necessary qualities for a role in a more neutral way, and maybe if you'd mentioned one member (whose name I didn't quite catch) with a little less venom, the video in general would come across a lot more balanced. You said you dislike this particular member's fandom, so it's possible they're negatively impacting your view of the member herself, which is unfair, but easy enough to fix if you catch it early enough. Again, really well made and your creative vision is compelling!
I didn't really appreciate the random jabs at hiyyih, but a lot of your other points were good. Also as a kpop stan, one of the biggest things that turn me off from a group is when the company clearly favors one or a few members (in this case chaehyun, dahyun, youngeun, and hikaru). I may just sound like another dumb bahiyyih stan to you, but when I stan a group, I want to see all the members get a chance to shine. Especially since Kep1er members were already marketed through gp999, one of their biggest priorities should have been retaining the fans Kep1er already had, instead of trying to push their favorite members to the public.
I totally agree. I loved most of the points in the video and think a lot of her ideas would really help Kep1er. I just felt sad with the jabs at bahiyyih and her fans. I don’t stan kep1er but I enjoy some of their music and content plus I love this persons videos so I watched. It just seems like every time I open some thread or watch a video on Kep1er someone somewhere is taking jabs (or straight hate) on this girl and her fans. It just takes me back to when I found out about her through a hate thread while she was still on gp999. I find her to be very beautiful, interesting and talented. So if her fans are for whatever reason being very vocal about her treatment as an outsider to the fandom I can understand why they may act out in her defense.
Like fr. Especially her stage presence jabs towards Hiyyih, like??? As someone who analyzes stage presence, you'd think she'd go a bit into why Hiyyih fits MVSK rather than taking a jab at her for fitting it like she can't perform at all. Cheryl's been bitter towards Hiyyih since We Fresh era when the whole hashtag thing happened, and Hiyyihlights both unfairly criticisized her and fairly pointed out her lack of vocal knowledge when assessing and criticisizing Hiyyih's vocals.
wakeone really failed kep1er...i hate them so much :/ i love zb1 but i just can't stop being mad bcs kep1er deserve what zb1 got. i can only hope their next group/solo career treat them better
Did they fail? Or did they accomplished the goal of forcing the members to renew their contracts with swing/wakeone, because doing a pokr job while still producing money to make the members not popular enough to stand on their own to renew their contracts with w1 and swing is not farfetched to me.
I'm telling you all, no changes, no queendom 2 and only if wakeone treated decently all the members from the beginning and especially bahiyyih since she has the biggest fanbase from all, the group would be very successful today.
W1 has denied brand deals for Bahiyyih, Yeseo and Yujin. They also only allowed Kep1er to post individual song covers in the past few months. Bahiyyih had to release a cover unofficially through her Bubble during We Fresh era because W1 wouldn't allow her to post it on the Kep1er UA-cam channel. Also, members of Kep1er such as Bahiyyih, Dayeon, Chaehyun and Yeseo have been attending vocal lessons regularly.
Honestly tho, kep1er is not a bad name. It fits the planet theme everyone expected from a planet themes survival show. Plus the theories that every girl was supposed to be from a different kepler planet and we saw that with their intros where they all had different colors to represent their planets and they were supposed to make their "first impact" to fans on earth. The first album theme was not bad, only the title track was bad. Idk i think it makes more sense if they actually kept that. Aesteria i think people would have still hated it because you know kpop stans will never be happy with any name
The fact that kep1er doesn't have bad songs, it has a bad organization of the albums and main tracks, because really its b-sides are beautiful and many are misused title tracks
i really agree wit so much of what you said but again, like kep1ers fans you're undervaluing hiyyih talent and abilities. hiyyih is literally top 5 in vocals and has started becoming a better rapper. when you mentioned dayeon leadership for ice cream during gp999, you fail to mention how hiyyih was also mentoring but mnet never showed it. hiyyih helped several trainees learn the choreo whenever they fell behind. and as much as i like the idea of first place being fotg, you should also be considering international audience as much as korean audience. hiyyih was the most popular trainee internationally, point blank. she ranked first in 115 countries and is hella known in korea. making her the fotg alongside chaehyun would be a smarter idea in the long run as she has the support to back it up. that way, she can be promoted more internationally (mcing kcon, doing daebak show, literally anything i-fans eat up) and chaehyun can focus on domestic fans(music show host, variety show gigs, anything k-fans love) and having them both at fashion shows. thats just my opinion tho😅
@@drstone5897I don't think you're a kep1ian so it's not on you to say that buddy. Kep1ians love her. Anyone that excludes her isn't a kep1ian to begin with
@@drstone5897 Correct me if I misunderstood you. Do you think most kep1ians are simply tolerating her because they watched girl planet 999 and don't think she deserved a spot ? If so, then I'd have to disagree with you because I don't think all kep1ians watched the survival show to have any gp999 baggage that would influence their perception of Bahiyyih. Since girl planet 999, Kep1er has been through 1 korean debut, 3 korean comebacks, 1 japanese debut, 2 japanese comebacks, and 1 extra survival show called Queedom 2. That's enough comebacks for more fans to come into the fandom without watching gp999 and liking all members organically through all their content within the past 1.5 years as " kep1er ". I myself am an example of that since I'm a kep1ian that started liking them when I listened to MVSK and that has never watched the show to have a perception of " who deserves to debut " because I only know the final official lineup. And I genuinely like all members including Bahiyyih. I don't have to bias her to notice through hours of content that she has a kind personality, is goofy with Hikaru which is fun to watch and can be very pretty with blonde hair ( I thought blonde hair suited her the most ). I also can easily notice how she practices English in every kep1er behind the scene content so I started appreciating her dedication to study and do her best. There you have it. I can say just as much and even more about every single member of this group because I love them all. I wouldn't stand a group if there was a member I had to tolerate.
@@Welchs-Fruit-Snacks People know she is popular because of her brother. Y'all can't accept that people can still genuinely like her, and think she's talented beyond that too. In fact, the only times people really bring up her brother is in comments like this. I barely see her actual solos or Kep1ians talk about him outside of the times they interact; it's always ot8s and Hiyyih antis bringing him up. 🥱 That sounds more loud and annoying, lol 😂
bahiyyih is extremely underrated as a vocalist imo... her "all in my head" cover shows an unexpected control and hability to showcase emotions. I honestly think she deserves to be a lead vocalist more than dayeon.
why do yall have to put down Dayeon every tike you want to praise Bahiyyih… this is why no one takes hiyyighlights seriously and thinks they’re just biased. Dayeon is a very talented vocalist who deserves her position.
@@xrrgr Saying they think Bahiyyih deserves a position over Dayeon, or saying Dayeon deserves a position over Bahiyyih, is not a put down. A put down would be saying either is a bad vocalist or insulting them.
@@daydayg5793 it actually is a put down because instead of just saying she deserves a position, you bring up another person and say she should take their spot. Bahiyyih stans do this all the time, constantly pitting her against her members and acting like it’s not possible for both her and Dayeon to have a lot of lines in one song.
@@xrrgr Hiyyihlights DO put down Dayeon all the time in ways that are very malicious, but I disagree that that's happening here, and here's why: Cheryl added 3 Lead Vocalists in her rearrangement of the group. Yujin has more experience as a vocalist due to her tenure as an idol and Mashiro has a small technical gap with Dayeon. Meanwhile, Bahiyyih and Dayeon are more similar in their skillset vocally. OP just listed ways they think Bahiyyih exceeds vocally, and none of Dayeon's faults or used any insulting language. People can often say they think Hikaru and Xiaoting are better dancers than Dayeon, and that isn't considered a put down. But do the exact same thing for vocals, and it is? I never got that.
@@xrrgr And like I said in my first comment towards you; if the roles were reversed, and it was Dayeon taking a Lead Vocalist position over Hiyyih in OP's comment, then I would not consider that as a put down either. There are Hiyyihlights who are extremely toxic and DO put Dayeon down very maliciously. Even non-Hiyyihlights do, as there's a "Hikaru" stan in this comment section making awful comments about her. I just don't really see that here. Conversely, there's also people who routinely make awful comments about Hiyyih's vocals and say she adds nothing to the group. It's messy, and I hate it. This fandom is truly fractured. Hard to be a Badaz stan, truly 😔
i so agree with the part about garam and xiaoting being the contenders for the 4th gen it girl, although i also think karina with the right marketing could also have a lot of potential to go against wonyoung. i really like garam with the little time she got to shine, her introduction video before her debut really caught my attention that girl has the power to draw people in which is what an it girl does. xiaoting with her visuals and talent as well as her personality could very much make an it girl, it's a shame kep1er has their current management otherwise im sure xiaoting would be able to make a big impact
About positions, I think Chaehyun should be the only main vocal, while Youngeun, Mashiro and Yujin would be lead vocalists. I have no idea why Dayeon has so many lines, especially in the vocal line. I would accept her as lead rapper, but in general I cant see why she needs so many lines since she’s mostly a dancer and ONE singing performance during gp999 (snake). Rap line: Hikaru (main), Dayeon (lead) and some girl could act as sub rappers like Xiaoting Dance line: Hikaru and Dayeon (main), Youngeun, Xiaoting, Yeseo and Yujin (lead). I know it is a big dance line, but the group should be dance-focused.
I agree with the everything but the dance line since Xiaoting is the best dancer in the group. Her versatility knows no bounds and she excels at almost everything
Dayeon is one of the better singers in the group (her, Mashiro and Hiyyih actually have pretty small gaps/similar strengths and weaknesses skills wise) + her voice isn't so distinct that it could hinder her versatility, so she gets lots of vocal lines. W1 had an eye on her during auditions/O.O.O evaluations due to her stability, and it's speculated that she's one of the singers used to sing the theme song.
@@brendan6555 still makes no sense the amount of lines or prioritizing her over the others. Especially since they almost never sing live anyway demanding a lot of technique or stability
No one who at least didnt have a passion for Kepler would make such a fantastic, detailed, necessary video dedicated to them as a group. I love all these girls so much, so you don't know how much this means to me xx
Finally someone who recognises Yujin's dancing abilities. She is such an underrated dancer. I agree that this group is incredibly stacked with dancers, but Yujin has been slept on in all categories (dance, vocal, rap, stage presence and more) for her entire career, and her companies have done nothing to help. She barely got to shine in CLC, despite being the center, aside from a few dance videos with Seungyeon, but her dance skills were overshadowed a little by Seungyeon (not because she is bad, but because Seungyeon is probably one of the top three dancers in all of kpop). Now in kep1er, wakeone also isn't giving her any opportunities to shine. Yes, she is not as powerful as other dancers such as Yeseo, Dayeon and Hikaru, but her technique is immaculate. She always dances with just enough power, never overdancing or underdancing. Her lines are always accurate and beautiful, and her movements are so fluid and controlled. She is also one of the most versatile dancers/idols in general that I've ever seen, and can effortlessly pull off any concept from up to mvsk. The only thing I disagree with in this video is your point about having two leaders. I think it's a great idea to have a co-leader. The leader would do majority of the 'leader' work while the co-leader assists with things behind the scenes. This prevents a lot of the stress that the leader would otherwise have. I think this is especially important when the leader is the oldest member, because having the oldest member as a leader might make them feel like they have to take on all the responsibility, or that they do not have others to lean on, whereas having a leader who is the 2nd or 3rd oldest member could still have older members to lean on.
Kep1er is a missed opportunity. They had everything to make Kep1er a successful group like all the other produce groups in fact kep1er has more talent than some of the most popular/ successful produce groups but Wakeone and Swing ent really didn't give a fuck, they did not care to utilize their strong points. 1. Popular members like BH, YJ and XT should've been pushed more for promotions , marketing and as FOTG, they have the hype, popularity and fanbase, even if people don't stan kep1er they definitely know who these girls are. I'm not even kidding BH and XT trend more on social media than Kep1er, BH literally trends every alternate day. 2. They should've utilized the positions according to the member's ability. CH is obviously the best vocalist in the group and tbh she is the only one who is got to showcase her vocal abilities (as an mc of a music show and going to different shows where she can showcase her vocal ability, giving her covers etc) Along with her, YG, YJ, BH and MS should've been the members focused on vocal line. DY, HK and YG as rappers. YG is a lead vocalist material but lets not forget that she is a great rapper as well. I agree YS and XT as centers would've been better. As for dance line Kep1er has no weak dancer their dance line is very strong, the company should've used this to make a name for kep1er in the industry. 3. Kep1er has strong bsides but the bad title tracks overshadows their whole discography. 4. The way the company manages their comeback promotions is the main reason why Kep1er lost the hype they had.
I'd actually swap Bahiyyih and Dayeon in the vocal Positions, Bahiyyih and Dayeon both lack vocal support, however, Bahiyyih's range, vocal agility etc all exceeds Dayeons
@@drstone5897 I think you’re the one who’s biased lmfao. Dayeon is further away from support than Bahiyyih. She is NOT the 4th best vocalist. She’s the 7th.
@@drstone5897 When did I say she was the second best vocal? Your the delusional one. The vocal ranking goes 9th Hikaru 8th Xiaoting 7th Yeseo 6th Dayeon 5th Bahiyyih 4th Yujin 3rd Mashiro 2nd Youngeun 1st Chaehyun
@@drstone5897 you are the one that’s wrong. But if you dislike my opinion then screw off. You’re making empty claims and have no supporting evidence. I can admit that Dayeons improved since debut but she’s nowhere NEAR 4th in vocals. Bahiyyih and Dayeon are close, I can give that much. But Bahiyyih I personally believe is better. She is slightly closer to support than Dayeon, her pitch accuracy is better and she is aware of her skills and knows what style of songs suit her voice. Dayeon, she’s more stable when performing live, I will happily give her that, but her pitch accuracy is weaker than Bahiyyihs, she’s further from support than Bahiyyih and I don’t think she’s aware of what style of songs her voice suits which is important for singers
@@drstone5897 I’ve seen 0 vocal analyses videos ranking Dayeon ANYWHERE over 5th. Some argue Dayeons better than Bahiyyih but that’s it. Most vocal ranking videos are just children on the internet trying to force their opinion down peoples throats and if you disagree then they call you toxic. You are acting just like those children.
The random jabs against Hiyyih is rude. Then I forgot this channel liked OT8 comments and comments calling Bahiyyih a horse. I giggle knowing a teenager pisses you off so much. Can’t wait for Kepler to disband.
@@drstone5897 I remember your account from debut. See you haven’t moved on yet. Just a hiyyih fan in disguise! Please do not look into her redebut 🫶🏼 wish you the worst in life.
@@mpp592 it’s that account and 5 others (I think 3 of them are run by the same person) but they are disgusting to her. From debut until now. The one still gets popular shorts too which is insane too me
I think that finally Wakeone is doing something right by heading down the path of I Do Do You and Giddy. I’m really hoping they continue that sound as it’s fairly obvious that it fits the girl’s vocals better and it’s just more pleasant to the ears, plus it’s perfect since it’s a popular trend to do the more cuter, brighter and fresh concepts, and what Kep1er was doing earlier wasn’t working for them, and so they switched and I hope this switch stays for good
I think Youngeun and Hikaru would also be strong contenders for center imo ! Also… Finally someone spoke up about how dayeon was a bad leader for Ice cream ! the solo part was such an awful move…
I completely agree with everything but I will argue that Xioting and Bahiyyih are the most popular and the Stan attractors of the group. Bahiyyih is a big money-making chance for wakeone, I don’t know why they don’t utilize it. Like it was rightly mentioned in the video, giving her cute beauty/ fashion vlog or behind the scenes vlog will be so good. Also both her and xioting having more magazine content and Bahiyyih in fashion would be great too seeing that she already has interest in that. To me, those 2 are the most attractive members plus Bahiyyih has a nice international support, pushing her more could have helped them there too. So many missed opportunities in this group
What I'd do (concept-wise) for Kep1er is give them a bit of lore. The story for them would be 9 girls chosen to explore different planets for 2 1/2 years. This concept would allow them to do different concepts every comeback. I'd have their debut be them looking back on their time at the space academy they came from (girls planet) and boarding the ship to explore the galaxy. At the end of their contract, I'd have it be the end of their space exploration trip and it would be them going their separate ways (symbolism for the group disbanding). I know it's rather basic for a concept but I think it'd be pretty fun and unique
Your idea is better than what wakeone doing. I was confused why their sci Fi concept isn't used often Ke1per is a great group name for lore heavy stuff
@@AquaRunner533 Honestly the reason why they don't use the sci-fi concept is probably because the group was so rushed. Kep1er has so much potential, so I hope atleast by the end of their contracts they get to showcase it more
Kep1er is the definition of wasted potential like how are you going to have talented members and bahiyyih’s insane amount of popularity and not use it???? It makes me cry in frustration istg wake one ain’t sh#t fr!!!
Lol "even Bahiyyih could perform it well", you really don't hide your dislike of someone who did nothing to you Is it not possible to give opinions on something without having to sound condescending?
as a kep1ian since debut, wakeones mismanagement has been super infuriating. I LOVE your ideas for kep1er regarding sound and concept, but the way you make so many backhanded comments about the girls (implying bahiyyih is a bad performer, chaehyun isn't a good enough center, dayeon can't lead, and more) just leave a bad taste in my mouth and make me think that you're making this video because you want to highlight kep1ers shortcomings. I know thats probably not your intention but that's just how it comes across to me.
@@drstone5897 im not saying that she doesnt like her and i'm not making problems, but the way she commented about her skills and indirectly what she brings to the group was kinda backhanded (even if she didn't mean it) and I was just sharing my feelings on that
Few things i would disagree with is that ..... - Dayeon is on vocal line instead of rap. Her rapping is better than her vocal and Hikaru being the only rapper is very unbalanced position wise in the group. 8/9 being on the vocal line makes it hard to distribute the lines well and it's already so bad with Only 2 getting rap lines (Dayeon snd Hikaru). With that being said there is like 5-7 better singers than Xiaoting, and she did rap in Gp999, so she can be a lead rapper too which makes the position more balanced. She can still be on the vocal line along with Yeseo but as Yeseo doesn't really rap and 5-6 others are better singers than Yeseo, Yeseo will only be considered a vocal not (lead vocal) and get the "left over" lines instead of Xiaoting who is another vocal line. So it's likely that Xiaoting would the last choice to give vocal lines too when there is Yeseo who is also on the Vocal line and who's a better singer than Xiaoting. I think both Dayeon and Hikaru should be main rapper. And their differences in their rap styles is useful/ great to have. As for dancing it's clear that the best dancers are Xiaoting, Dayeon, Hikaru and Youngeun. I am fine with yeseo and Yujin being lead dancers but if we have to tone it down with the amount of dance positions i would say Hikaru and Dayeon should be main dancers and Youngeun and Xiaoting as the lead dancers. I think the first two Suit idol dancing more but Xiaoting isn't so far from them. I would say she's the best dancer if we consider her versatility but it's fine if she's a lead dancer. For vocal line i am fine with Yougeun being a main vocal too ( because i like her vocals and her tone.) but if we consider how far she is from Chaehyun she is only worth being a lead vocal. Whether she's a lead vocal or a main vocal the other one's that should be lead vocals are Mashiro and Bahiyyih. They are both the same ability wise and in my opinion is the same skill wise ( vocaly) with Youngeun. If they are given the opportunity, who knows how much better they are. In my opinion i don't understand why Bahiyyih's vocals are so underrated within and even iutside of the fandom. She has showen what she is able to do with the little opportunities she has gotten. Her tone is very beautiful and her range is large. Her voice is very clear and if anyone has ever seen the Japanese and Korean people's comments about her vocals, they give her compliments saying her tone is very beautiful and she has a very clear voice. At any average kpop group ( with no vocalists like Mamamoo or RedVelvet), she should be considered a lead vocalist position and never just a vocal line. We haven't seen her maximum abilities b/c for some reason Wakeone hasn't thought of giving EVERYONE (including her and Mashiro) the opportunity to showcase their talents. Plus Bahiyyih knows how to play instruments i don't understand why they haven't utalized that on award shows or covers. I need wakeone to utalize Bahiyyih's instrument skills and Xiaoting's ballroom skills on award shows or anywhere they can. I agree with Yujin being only a "vocal" not a lead vocal skill wise but i am also fine if she's another lead vocal if that means they all get treated fairly and the only way for her to get good lines. - and other stuff i would like to say: Mashiro can even be a lead rapper in this group and since Dayeon is treated as an all rounder, they should treat Youngeun like the all rounder she is. But if they treat both as All-rounders, then when dayeon rappes -> Yougeun sings/ gets vocal lines and when Youngeun rapps, Dayeon sings. That keeps the distribution ballanced and showcase everyone instead of just 3-4 members all the time. - seriously i don't understand what members like Mashiro, Bahiyyih and even Xiaoting is getting from this temporary grouping when they are not given the opportunities to showcase what they've got. - the first step Wake One should do is give them a GOOD title track. Their b-sides are one of the best and very good however the title tracks ( the songs that gets premoted and more people would know about) are chosen so poorly. One of the reason the distribution is so bad is because half of the song are decent vocal lines while the other half is full of shouts and ad-libs. And everytime it is always the same 3-4 members getting the decent lines while thte same members getting the ad-libs. That's sucks for any fans. It would disappint anyone. The fan comes and listens to the song just to hear their bais/ the voice they like get shouts and ad-libs and that gets very crazy and frustrating when it's always like that. The same member (s) geting the least lines and majority of the 8 second lines given to them being adlibs sucks very bad. That should seriously improve. - in my opinion i disagree with Chaehyun being the face of the group. I think there are 3 options. 1: Xiaoting, Chaehyun, and Bahiyyih. - Reason: Xiaoting is popular and can be great in bringing Chinese fans. Chaehyun seems to be good with people and can be great in bringing in korean fans ( also as benefit for being a winner). Bahiyyih is very good with people and has a very funny/great personality which is good for veraity shows. She's also the most popular international, Which means she can bring international fans, she can also speak english (best English speaker in the group). Honestly as i thought about it, Yujin maybe a good choice to but maybe 4 members as face of the group is too much. 2: Xiaoting, Hikaru, Bahiyyih -Reasom: the 3 most popular members; Chinese, Japanese and international representation ( Bahiyyih can even be korean representation considering that she ranked 7th for korean votes and she's half/ethnically korean, culturaly korean, and obviously is very fluent in Korean). 3: Hikaru and Bahiyyih Reason: arguably Hikaru is the second most popular in kep1er (some say Xiaoting is second and some say Hikaru is 3rd). I feel as though Hikaru is more internationaly popular than Xiaoting and if you see the fancams Hikaru is most times second and sometimes first, while Xiaoting is almost always 3rd. Other reason With Hikaru is because she's the most popular Japanese member, so for that reason she can be the Japanese representatative and get more Japanese fans while also entertaining the existing Japanese fans. I am also considering that Kep1er are the most popular in Japan than Korea or China Her personality is a good choice for veraity shows too. The reason for Bahiyyih is because she's funny/ her personality is a great choice for variety shows. She can be both an international and Kotean representative considering she's decently popular in korea, she's very fluent in korea, she can speak english, she's the most popular internationally ( and overall). As you can see Hikaru and Bahiyyih are the best choice for face of the group and that's probably why they are the two members who are usually sent to variety shows. - in my opinion Center should be rotational with every member AS long as they suit the song. I disagree with a set Center.
I was also disappointed that Young Eun wasn't a rapper as well as dancer and vocalist. I guess they needed Young eun as a second main vocalist since they refuse to give Hiyyih or mashiro any major lines. And Young Eun did mostly promote herself as a vocalist...but still she's a rapper too! I guess they don't want to take any rap parts from Dayeon. Before Kep1er debuted, I thought the positions would be more like Izone's. Chae Hyun would be the main vocalist. (Not that I don't think Young Eun can't be main vocalist but I admit their vocal skill is pretty far apart.) Young Eun, Yujin, Mashiro, Hiyyih would be vocal line. Xiaoting, Hikaru, Dayeon, Young Eun, Yeseo would be dance line. Dayeon, Hikaru and Young eun would be rap line. But instead it seems more like Chae Hyun and Young Eun are main vocalists. Dayeon, Yujin and Yeseo are vocal line. Xiaoting, Hikaru, Young Eun and Dayeon are dance line. Hikaru and Dayeon are rap line. And Mashiro and Hiyyih are the back-up/ ad-lib members. Like I don't get what they have against the last two members. It's like they just took them in as extras for the group.
@@kpoppy9635seriously 😢.. I agree with you There are definitely better ways of managing the group and I don't understand what Wake One have against the two members. They give Mashiro rap lines even though she's a better vocalist, I really want her to sing instead tho. From the beginning I thought Bahiyyih, Youngeun, Chaehyun and Mashiro would be the vocal line and it makes sense to me. However, Wake One is really setting Kep1er up for a failure. Wake One hasn't done anything correct for the girls. I am so disappointed. I wish they at least began to give the members chances to do covers but they started so late. I don't understand why. If they don't want to spend so much money on Kep1er at least let them do covers.
Wait I actually lwk agree w/ u- But genuine question tho what happened to rapper Youngeun?? Like I LOVED rapper Youngeun can we pls bring her back?? 😭🙏🏻
This makes me wonder how WakeOne will do with ZB1. Based on past observations, ZB1 should get better promotional strategies, more gigs, and better songs.
What about the visual position? It's the only one I think wasn't covered here. I think Yujin, Xiaoting, Bahiyyih and Yeseo could all be amazing visuals.
I feel like most Kpop companies pour more money, efforts and resources into their male acts versus their female ones and I think a lot of that reasoning is due to mysoginy (despite young girls are argubably kpop's largest and most faithful demographic). It's obvious in the way they're managed, their comebacks/debuts are planned, the way they're promoted and the songs they're given. Honestly, it sucks that it's so obvious and that I think of multiple examples (who will not be named bc I don't wanna get killed in the comments). Anyways, I loved this video so much (like usual) and I agreed with a lot of what you planned out as well. It's so frustrasting that WakeOne/Swing aren't taking advantage of the popularity of some members and the talent of others considering they could become S.Korea CF darlings (kind of like how the The Boyz/IVE/etc. are currently). It's a shame bc some of their b-sides are bops too.
I love how you don't just say "this is bad, this is good", you provide your opinion AND a reason for it, and even if i don't agree with something (even tho i agreed with pretty much everything), i can understand the point of view behind your point. Great work put into the vid, wakeone fucked up the group so hard
i can´t comprehend why w1 have never really tried managing Kep1er, their debut had so much potential but no one in that company seems to have a brain. What makes me even more sadder is seeing zb1 debut, i was literally shocked when i saw those teaser because i thought w1 COULDN´T do something like that because of how they were handling Kep1er. I hate that company with all my heart but it´s ok because kep1er is going to redebut as ot9 in a better company and they´re going to be huge!! (im a delulu kep1lian)
the intro is very good imo. simple, fast, to the point - same with the title cards for each segment. a lot of these have bothered me with your older projects, so i'm happy to see you improve :)
Respectfully, I really wish you hadnt thrown so much unnecessary shade towards Bahiyyih. It's fine to call out her toxic fandom for all of the bs they contribute to Kep1ers fanbase, but "even BAHIYYIH could do this" and a bunch of other stupid little jabs just ruined the entire video for me and were SO unnecessary. Genuinely, I thought you were a youtuber who was able to take out their personal bias and give good videos, with good suggestions, and good information: but without all the petty drama bs. I've unsubscribed just because it makes me uncomfortable to continue supporting someone who is creating a platform to take jabs and allow others to take jabs at a teenager who didn't do anything other than be born, go on a survival show, and be voted into a group. It sucks that tons of people preach "idols mental health matters" until it's an idol they don't particularly like or see the hype around. Then it's "well its just my opinion/the truth" even though it's equally as insulting and damaging to an idol. Hope you do all the best in the future
First off, it’s so great to have you back Cheryl!!! I missed you sm 🥹🥺 (oh and I hope you had a wonderful birthday!!) Second off, as a Kep1ian and Kep1er ult fan, this video literally sums up just how infuriatingly terrible WO is at handling the girls. It is SO obvious what fits all 9 of the members, and yet time and time and time again WO has given them the biggest mistakes for title tracks while leaving the groups BEST songs as bsides. MVSK, Le Voyage and Good Night, BTTC (the ENTIRE ALBUM was actually incredibly good, but BTTC absolutely dominated over every single song in there), etc. have all been praised as amazing songs from Kep1er, meanwhile their titles have been a love or hate. I’ve said it since the day they debuted but KEP1ER ARE GREAT PERFORMERS; EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. The only PROBLEM is that WO has never released TT that properly show that. You give us MVSK as a TT, and you’ll see all the girls killing the stage, EVEN my girl Bahiyyih gained sm attention for how well she performed there. And that’s because it was a concept that fit ALL members, INCLUDING Bahiyyih. Same thing with BTTC. It was upbeat, catchy, and nostalgic, but most importantly the stages were always sm fun to watch because all the girls shined! It’s painfully obvious what direction Kep1er should’ve taken from the get go, and the fact that WO is not even trying is just infuriating asf. Also your comments on tOgether fOrever is actually so true because last school year I took a film class and one of our projects was to plan a music video for a song we’ve listened to. I had chosen tOgether fOrever for my project and let me tell you there are SO MANY roads for that song’s mv to take!!! I had decided that the MV would be a bit more of a storytelling style than any usual music video would be (where it’s mainly focused on the performance aspect and what not). My original idea (that I had done for my project) was to make it a story of the girls balancing their Celebrity and Human lives as K-pop idols, and how having the fans and all the members together with them makes them stronger. However, right now I am thinking that if I want their Japanese release to REALLY stand out among the crowd, I’d have to make an mv that draws makes old fans emotionally connect with it, while making new fans intrigued and interested in the group. (Also tbh the whole “I am stronger now because of my fans” mv trope isssss kind of a cliche in my opinion, and I wanted this mv to take a completely different approach to the nostalgic, “message to the fans” songs that I’ve heard before.). This brought me to the decision that the MV would be a symbolic story of the girl’s journey in GP999. While it wouldn’t directly state or imply that it is (obviously because it’s symbolic, but I thought I’d reiterate that..), it would leave hints along the music video with the usage of the 3 planets and other tiny details that fans could connect to the survival show. The music video would be dreamy, almost like a flashback, and would be as if the girls themselves were revisiting and reliving their experiences in GP, and we would be there beside them watching them revisit it. Watching the days when they felt discouraged, alone, afraid and scared of what might happen in the future, watching them relive their pain of having to move forward towards their dreams without their friends who got eliminated, watching their joys of becoming a debut group and bonding to become a story that would always be them Together Forever. It would all be told through symbolism and small hints/details that the fans could connect to their own personal stories _As an example of how the mv would unfold, I’ll use Bahiyyih’s story, just because hers is the only well thought out plan I have rn. For Bahiyyih, I’d like for her scenes to just be her surrounded by mirrors. This would be a symbol of the hate she received for being Kai’s sister and essentially just LOOKING like him. Every time she looks in those mirrors all she sees is a disfigured version of herself, as if her path and who she is isn’t clear. This would echo her real story because back in GP999, all she was known for is “That one TXT member’s sister.” Her reflection would be all jumbled and blurry because at the time, fans and planet guardians had no REAL sense of who BAHIYYIH was; they just had her brother. As the story and mv continues to unfold, we would see Bahiyyih’s reflection gradually start to become clearer, symbolizing her breaking away from the label and learning to become her OWN idol and person. Her story would end with her breaking the mirrors and finding the door to the outside world, which would symbolize her breaking out of her label of Kai’s sister and becoming her own idol with her own established fan base._ Each member would have their own scenes which would portray their journey through the show to their debut, where they’d stand together as one ready to face their future and whatever it has to throw at them. If I were to match it up with an alr existing music video, I’d say probably something like Feel Special by Twice or Bet on me by Itzy, only A LOT more focused on the storytelling aspect. But yeah, there are SO MANY creative avenues to explore when it comes to that song, and as a matter of fact I feel like anyone to easily come up with a story better than the one I came up with 😅 But the fact that I came up with that whole story in like HALF AN HOUR as I’m writing this comment, is enough proof that anyone can create something if they put enough thought into it. And I’m sure WO has many many people who could’ve come up with something 100x better than what I just did. So if I, a 16 year old with too much time on her hands, can come up with two completely different MV tropes for a song, I’m sure WO could do that and a whole lot more if they tried… Honestly, we could’ve gotten such a monster group out of Kep1er if only WO actually put in the work. These girls all put so so much into their career as Kepler and their company is ruining it by constantly and consistently dropping the ball. Kep1er are d wording next year (I CANT SAY THE FULL WORD BECAUSE IT MAKES ME TOO SAD 😭😭😭) and all I’m asking for is that WAKEONE wakes tf up and actually gives these girls the good marketing they so desperately need. Someone just pls save my girls 😭🙏🏻🙏🏻
ur so real about snake and u+me. happy zb1's getting better promos but ngl it's kinda frustrating seeing zb1 get to perform say my name and hot summer like hello??? why didnt u do this w kep1er???? lol
Fuck the algorithm ive watched this before, but this is a reminder either way, since there are some topics exchanged that kep1er members are continuing their contract, which is bittersweet, two members tho are believed to continue their journey in another ongoing projects in their agency(limelight from 143 ent) namely mashiro and yeseo, and i dont trust wakeone with kep1er whatsoever. And I actually love how you did wakeone’s work. I dont believe wakeone even think of anything while preparing tehir debut, they just throw everything into a pile of shit.
These remakes are amazing but they just make me depressed because I think about what we could have had. Kepler were the experiment for ZB1 and it shows. I mean, it’s always easier to do something in retrospect than at the time, but even so I’m certain that Wakeone could have made better decisions. I hope that because the experiment is complete ZB1 are treated better - and so far I think it’s looking good.
This video is very well done! Great research, well thought out concepts, and lots of valid points made... They really are a strong group with huge potential!!
people in the comments trying to make it seem like zb1 has a better album/debut in general because they are more cohesive.. im under your bed, UP! blew up and genuinely was an amazing album in general, but wakeone never cared for kep1er, nor gp999, they wanted to try a new survival show so they started with the girls, it explains the inconsistency with concepts, music, even graphic design! wakeone DEBUTED them as a rat labs and will KEEP them as rat labs til they disband, everything they do wrong with kep1er, they will 'try' to make it right with zb1, we'll see tho
How wakeone will handle this 2 groups and their fans in the future lmao?their fans will full of jeaolusy..one side is being mistreetment,and on otherside is being super money machine...waooow..goodluck wakeone.and i think will no drama with kep1er disband on 2024,no fans cry,no kept group petition or no longer contract petition,like seriously even their own fans want disbanded so much,kept fighting each other for their own bias,they dont even care about kep1er haters,because so busy with internal problem
The new channel intro is so good!! And the mini album cover designs are so pretty (I will say for the Retrograde tracklist, I wouldn't use that abbreviation for 'Japanese' since its considered offensive. Its better to use "JP" or "JPN")
I know I will sound stupid but I really believe you would do very well as a group director and you should try (if you want of course) and that is the reason why I watched almost all your videos at least 5 times and I've watched some including this one over 20 times
The way I was said “man, I hope I get some content from Cheryl soon,” before checking my notifications. This is not a dig at how long this took to make, thinking about how long just thinking through all of this, writing the script and recording the voiceover, let alone the editing. And it really shows in just how well you did all of it. I love your ideas for a MVSK and Back to the City as music videos and your album rearrangements were really good too.
If you can, could you make a video about making your own gg or bg?? Like giving the group a name, members, concept, albums, etc. You're so creative, so i think you would be able to make a really good group idea!! 🥰
YES, THIS, ALL OF THIS. I can't believe IOI has managed to do more in less time, even if they did have JYP as a lifeline, and it's killing me. The only point I would argue with is XT not being a lead dancer: she doesn't quite have the idol dancing style down as much as DY and HK, but if the group could get suitable choreography for her in at least a couple of songs, combined with her natural star power, that would go a long way in promoting her and the group along with her. That aside, yes, more variety content please. I don't care if Wakeone copies IZ*ONE's Eat-Ing Trip down to the last detail, I'll take literally any good content at this point.
I am a fan of your channel and i liked all your points until you started taking jabs at bahiyyn for no reason . Especially since out of all the members i noticed that her vocals are stable and she at least stands out in terms of visuals in the entire group.I think you shouldn't be insulting a idol just because you don't like them. Especially when you yourself say that hating on an idol because you don't like them makes you a mindless hater or hypocrite.
I prefer Kepler than Asteria, or whetever you said, SEE kepler is easier to remember than asteria? I know is not a beautiful or aesthetic name, but as my marketing teacher told me, is not about if the name is "aesthetic" needs to have easy vowels and most be short.
I think you are being a bit too harsh on bahiyyih. I will try my best to not let my bias get in the way, but as someone who's career involves singing, I have a lot of knowledge about it. Hiyyih actually has such a unique and beautiful vocal tone that if w*ke*one offered proper training (which you seem to insinuate), she would actually have a very good chance at being a great vocalist. I think she also has under appreciated stage presence and charisma. Also the fact that they are trying to make xiaoting a vocalist when she is a better rapper and hiyyih a rapper when she is a better vocalist is insane
There was a post of Hiyyih with her vocal coach and he even complemented her. It seems the vocal coach wants her potential to be seen and used. I think he posted it on his Instagram or something. I truly believe Bahiyyih's vocals are underrated and should be more appropriated. She's a good vocalist in my opinion which is why I started to stan her. Her voice stood out to me in GP999 and I didn't understand the "criticism" ( although it should be defined as hate because that's what they were actually doing). Her stage presence is actually good, especially in elegant and energetic/bright concepts. She stood out very well in MVSK (which is elegant) and UP ( bright/energetic). So I don't understand why anyone criticizes her of her stage presence either. I really hope Wake One gets their act right and does the right things with the group. The fandom also should stop singling out Bahiyyih and always say bad things about her under the name of criticizing while they compliment and never criticize the other 8 members. If you're going to criticize, do it to all members and if you're going to compliment, don't single out only ONE member. I get it if only a few stand out to you but only one being left out says something about you. ( When I say to you I don't mean you, it's just in general, it's directed at the fans who do that). The one thing I hope is Bahiyyih's and Mashiro's vocals being utilized just like in bttc. I hope the next comeback's title track is fair like bttc and showcases everyone of the members.
@@drstone5897 and this channel liking comments about calling Bahiyyih a horse…you’re all insane. You’re all solo stans of certain girls or the same 3/4
@@fyori7376obviously a vocal coach is going to praise one of their students on a public sns platform lmao, he probably knew it was an easy way to get interaction because stans will eat anything like that up
I'm a music major in university, with a focus in vocals. Chaehyun, Youngeun and Dayeon are the top 3 in vocals, but after that they're all so so so similar in terms of how good their technique is while singing, minus Xiaoting and Hikaru who I would put at the bottom. Acting as if Yujin, Bahiyyih, Mashiro and Yeseo have these HUGE gaps in their singing capabilities is fcking bonkers to me. They all have similar SHALLOW support, Yujin and Yeseo have a tendency to go nasal but Mashiro and Hiyyih have a tendency to shake. Hiyyih and Yeseo aren't good at projection, but Yujin and Mashiro have blocked lower pallettes when they sing, which chokes their sound. The 4 of them could literally all be switched around and I wouldn't blink. Acting as if it's 8 girls and then - - - - Bahiyyih Is just CLEAR bias that comes from them not liking the way she debuted and how she made it into the group. They'll find any reason to support their dislike of her, even if there's no LEGIT proof. They say screenshots, super old blurry videos and other easily edited things are "proof" which is all the "proof" I need theyre insane.
Honestly a lot of Koreans loved Kylkyung of I.O.I even though she's Chinese because she: 1. Spoke Korean extremely well 2. Is really pretty Xiaoting has so much potential to be really popular but alas, SnoozeOne is too stupid to realize that
@@kpoppy9635 I'm not saying that was W1's responsibility though??? It's a hypothetical. Xiaoting could've learned more Korean on her own before GP999 if she wanted too.
@goldyd144 on top of the training and preparing she was doing for her audition? I don't think its Xiaoting's fault either. But unless mnet took the time to teach the foreign trainees Korean so they could be somewhat fluent before the show started, you can't expect foreign idols to speak fluent Korean upon debut. I know in HYBE's survival show, all the trainees can speak Korean fairly well. Although the show is a mess so far, most of the trainees are well-liked and they can all communicate with each other. And I think if Belift promotes them like they do Enhypen, they will be quite successful.
@@kpoppy9635t's not Mnet's responsibility to teach foreign trainees Korean before their survival shows, as the trainees are from different companies that usually aren't associated with Mnet, unless they become a member of the final lineup. It's up to the trainee or the company of the trainee. Most of the time, trainees learn at least a little Korean before debut. And while it is hard to learn while preparing for an audition and show, it's not abnormal for contestants to do so either. She didn't need to be super fluent either - Yurina and Hikaru weren't, and still had decent support from K fans. I'm just saying it could've been an advantage to her career both with Kep1er and individually if she decides to pursue a career in Kpop after Kep1er disbands. Not that this 100% should've happened. Again, it's just a hypothetical scenario. If you're gonna pursue a career in a foreign country, learning some or a lot of the local language is always an advantage. And Xiaoting still doesn't speak fluent Korean. The level she's at now is acceptable and digestible to Korean audiences, and would've also been fine at debut, like I said in my original comment. It's fine that she wasn't fluent. Neither was Hikaru. The only problem is that it just allowed her to fly under the radar and slowed interest in her from casual K fans.
It's the fact that the girls have horrible promotions but at the same time they're working non stop to the point where they're saying they have no time to rest. All the hype and girls energy is wasted on wrong things
This video is making me think i'm the only one that loved UP!. I thought it was the perfect summer song and i still listen to it a lot. I think cute songs suit them a lot.
Hi *I honestly have seen non-Kep1er fans and casual fans say that Up! Is Kep1er best title track and they like the summer concept that it suited all of the members.* From what I have seen it seems that Wa Da Da and Giddy have mixed opinions from fans/casual fans/non-fans. And it’s seems that We Fresh is the least preferred title track. *The general consensus is that most people prefer Kep1er’s B-sides even more compare to their 4 title tracks and wish that some of the B-sides were chosen as the title tracks.*
@@wonderlucky1912 That makes sense with how i viewed UP!. I always thought it was their most successfull comeback. I really just think everybody gets to stand out when they are doing those kinds of concepts. But like you said i mostly prefer Kep1er's B-Sides. Especially Back to the City and Le Voya9e.
@@Karen-ex5tg Hi! I forgot to mentioned that Wa Da Da even though it had a mixed reaction, it did chart well in Korea and it’s 1 of Kep1er’s most well-known song. *It’s a shame that Up! Was not as successful on the charts, Kep1er does suit bright summer/energetic concept.* •We Fresh due to many reasons caused Kep1er to decline more and I feel that Kep1er are starting to redeem themselves with the casual fans and General Public with Giddy. *I hope Wakeone gives Kep1er title tracks similar to their B-sides and Japanese Releases that these Kep1er fans and casual fans want. It’s so frustrating how Wakeone handles Kep1er, the members deserves so such better.*
@wonderlucky1912 Thank you for your kind comment and the good insight into the way Kep1er is perceived in Korea. I hope you have a lovely day and let's hope the members of Kep1er will have good opportunities ahead of them :)
lol same the way cheryl is talking so matter-of-factly: up is definitely my favorite title track from kep1er and as you said, it fit the summer vibe perfectly (+ full8loom, my favorite kpop producer, produced the song, so of course it was gonna be good). youre not the only up lover haha
Personally I would have named the group COSMIX as in Cosmos/Cosmic for the space concept, MIX since the members were mixed together and IX also means 9 in roman numbers (9 members, GP999…)
The issue is that you may run into copyright issues with RAI (the studio/company that created Winx Club). Apparently, they have a transformation called “Cosmix” and it’s hard to have a group named after something that can’t be trademarked.
@@mpp592She likes Bahiyyih. Or, she at least doesn’t have a problem with her. Her issue with bis Hiyyihlights (is that how you spell it?). Like all stans, they overhype her talent, are overly protective of her, and act like Kep1er would be nothing without her. In doing so, they discredit the talents and popularity of Bahiyyih’s group mates. It’s just a toxic environment and everyone can’t wait for the group to disband so that they can remove themselves from spaces where these people occupy. Like I’ve been saying since day one: Kep1er would be a growing and learning experience for Bahiyyih. She was never meant to shine in this group (especially because you can’t convince me that her poor treatment from Wake One isn’t a direct result of them not wanting her in the lineup). I didn’t think she was ready to debut in a group like this at the time. But after Kep1er’s two year run, she’d be ready to re-debut in a new group as their leader and be a frontrunner in the 5th generation as one of the most noteworthy idols. And she’s proven me right with how astounding her growth has been! But her fans saw her as the most talented person from day one and would attack other members for Bahiyyih’s lack of lines and center time. So yeah, EGU’s issues don’t lie with Bahiyyih. They lie with her toxic fans. She doesn’t hate Bahiyyih. She hates how she’s always been presented as this holy-talented all rounder at the expense of her group mates’ talents. Sorry for writing so much.
Kep1er performed unit versions of Snake and U+Me=Love during their Japan tour! Snake group was Mashiro, Yujin, Hikaru, Xiaoting and Chaehyun. U+Me=Love group was Dayeon, Bahiyyih, Yeseo and Youngeun.
@@kpoppy9635 They toured in Japan because they're popular there. But the whole fandom has been begging for unit versions of these songs since literally debut. Snake and U+Me=Love were even asked by fans to be performed during Queendom, but Kep1er chose the Boys by Girls Generation instead (because it was another option fans chose as they did a dance cover pre-debut on Weekly Idol).
@@kpoppy9635 That cover is such a classic! It got the seal of approval from Taeyeon and GG fans for a reason, and remains one of the best covers by a 4th gen girl group imo!
It's honestly so weird how Mnet makes a huge deal about debuting a new group through survival show but then they just disappear? Where is Kep1er? I never hear about them or their promotions. Barely any concerts, no tv promos like knowing bros, the manager or Amazing Saturday? It's almost as bad as that Chinese Girl Group that went viral bc Lisa was their Mentor on Youth With You 2. Then THE9 debut with all this hype and fall of the edge of earth. legend says they're still floating around the galaxy to this day.
*Even though behind the scenes Kep1er have attend events, their company is not really the best at promoting them.* •I am not sure if you know this but Kep1er just recently had a Japanese tour back in May and June (they are more popular in Japan than Korea). I hope they do more concerts. • Kep1er had a MMET Variety show during Giddy which was their 4th comeback. •Kep1er have attended music festivals and events this year, they attended K-Con Thailand and K-Con Japan, and they are listed to attend even more. The Kep1er members have finally gotten a chance to do solo promotions/magazine/photoshoots,etc compare to their debut. Kep1er deserves so much better from their mismanagement.
@@wonderlucky1912 Yeah everything they do is kept like this big secret by Wakeone. Most the fandom doesn't even know they released a Collab a few days ago "Rescue Tayo" Aside from 1 concert a year and half after debut Kep1er promos are dry. After a few months of debut IZONE had already toured in Korea, Japan, Hongkong, taiwan and Thailand. NTM their side collabs wth Pepsi were huge hits. Kep1er deserve so much more coming from MNet.
you can tell this owner of the video doesnt like bahiyyih and it didnt suprise me at all cus its just queen shit 😍 popular and successful girl like jennie and wonyoung will always be surrounded by haters and thats part of being famous so im totally fine
This is the same person who defended popular pretty girls like Wonyoung, Jennie and Yuna but for some reason when it comes to Hiyyih who's also popular but who sadly recieves a lot of hate for no reason, it's just crickets...
She actually dislikes Dayeon the most, and took shots at Dayeon in the video too. She started disliking Hiyyih during We Fresh era when the whole Kep1er disband stuff happened, and Hiyyihlights called her out for criticisizing Hiyyih's vocals. Ever since then, she's engaged with more ot8s and started to make similar points about Hiyyih.
@@goldyd144 I believe she had a problem with Hiyyih at the start because when Kep1er's lineup was made, she said that Hiyyih would bring nothing to the group. Then she started noticing her improvement in Queendom I think, but it probably "wasn't enough" for her. In this video she praised her vocals but also straight up said in the comments that she can't perform, so idk about her stance on Hiyyih...
@@drstone5897 Since you also seem to dislike Hiyyih and that you've been camping under every recent comment I would advise you to touch some grass instead of spreading hate towards a young girl chasing her dream.
@@drstone5897 Here you go again 🙄 Solo stans aren't going to fight for ot9 - they're going to prop up the person they solo. I'm ot9, unlike you or Hiyyihlights, and even I understand that. Maybe instead of complaining about why solo stans don't stick up for the whole group and instigating fights over a teenage girl you don't like, why don't you send an email to W1 about Xiaoting's screentime and lines? That's actually productive.
So I agree with some parts of the video (especially the criticism for wakeone like....deserved) but I did disagree with some other things. 1. The FOTG being PO1 makes total sense but the loophole for this particular case (unlike say Wonyoung) is that Chaehyun is only really recognised in Korea. So I'd say that she represent them in Korean schedules but for outside promotions, Bahiyyih would be the best member as FOTG. 2. 8:57 Tbf the other members WERE incompetent. They were mostly young/inexperienced which led Dayeon to do everything herself whether she wanted to or not. So it's not fair to judge her leadership in a case where she didn't have a choice. Bahiyyih did apparently co-lead the team tho but ofc Mnet cut it out lol. 3. Dance line - Yujin is definitely 6th or at most 5th and most of us here can agree. I think its just you being a bit biased... Vocal line - Chae should be the only Main Vocal, the gap b/w her and Youngeun is big lol. Also from what I've seen in some vocal channels, Bahiyyih is on par (or interchangeable) with Mashiro and Dayeon so she'd be one of the leads above Yujin. Rap line - I actually think Dayeon's rap suits Kep1er a lot more (Her Giddy rap was too good) so for me she's at least a Lead Rapper if not the Main. Now just to add on, people seem to bring up Hiyyihlights a lot and I get it, they're a handful alright but NO ONE can ever convince me that what they've done is nearly as bad as what Kep1ians have done to her. So many horrific things to a 17yr old including a whole PETITION to kick her out of the group but not one person brings that up? Ik Hiyyihlights have done wrong too and shouldn't be excused but....where is our priority? Have we really been sitting here letting a minor get cyberbullied but CHOOSE to speak up about her defensive fans instead? Okay this was longer than I expected it to be lol
Plus the amount of other solo Stan's saying shitty stuff about Bahiyyih but also other members is very unrecognized in the fandom. How do you criticize hiyyighlits when you leave out Other solo Stan's, especially xisoting's, Yeseo's and Dayeon's. Why do the fandom like to tie Bahiyyih to her fans as a reason to hate on her while they never do that with the other members. Just because Xiaoting has one of the worst fans doesn't mean you should be biased against Xiaoting herself and similarly with the other members' solo Stan's too. I think there is no need to siglo out Bahiyyih or hiyyilights when they aren't the only ones doing what is not likeable. For example didn't or doesn't xisoting's Chinese stans fat shame and say horrible things about Hikaru and Dayeon. There were many of them doing that and yet no one says bad things about Xiaoting fans or Xiaoting herself. In general this fandom is very devided and it's not only hiyyilights vs. Keplian but Solo Stan's vs. Solo Stan's. The only time I see keplian BEING keplians is when they cooperate together to shit in Bahiyyih. But if their bais is shitted on they'd be so horrible to the other members' bais.
@@drstone5897 ?? Do bahiyyih fandom make a petition to remove the girl from the lineup ? Do bahiyyih fandom déshumanize the girl in this group ? This group has no futur at the end of the day disbandment shouldn't be that triggering too y'all
@@drstone5897 lol at least be fair. I never said the fandom wasn't toxic but at the end of the day this is the results of her harassment. sheryl should stop with her selective mindset since she only hate hiyyilight and doesn't care about Xiaoting yeseo fans etc when they're one of the worse. And please shut up hiyyih is the only members who have account dedicated to hate on her so stop with this excuse that hiyyilight are the one to blame I hope they continue to be this loud 'cause it's better than being the one who always talk about their fave mistreatment but then do nothing to change it. And in the past ? Are you living under a rock? She still get hate and it's come from the same people lol
tell me we have spotify playlists for the rearranged albums… with the beautiful covers too
of course
debut album: open.spotify.com/playlist/7ugN1F3iyOVBYKr2bin49X?si=c8c23678e0cf4bc0
1st comeback: open.spotify.com/playlist/3OBTbCNNHL91JEkrii8Ds0?si=092855df1db64157
Japanese debut: open.spotify.com/playlist/26v4fwIi2xiytYp0phb5CW?si=7134fc2704e24c4d
@@everglowup un related question what did you think about shh by kiss of life
@@everglowup DOWNTOWN AND DREAMS R SO UNDERRATEDDD
the fact that hiyyih has been offered brand deals from big brands, but wake**e turned them down just because it isn't for the member they want is insane.
@@drstone5897lol, and you think any likes those nugus in kep1er?
My girl deserved better than that 😭
@@drstone5897
1) Bahiyyih isn't hated in korea. I'd go as far as to say she's irrelevant just like other kep1er members since koreans literally only acknowledge wa da da's existence. Nothing else about the group or the members. They simply dont care enough to hate any member
2) Groups that dont have any korean acknowledgement can benefit from having brand deals. It at least makes koreans aware of her international popularity & her group as well. Acknowledging international popularity can be a positive thing for a group and could build more recognition ( LOONA is a good example of that ). Also, Koreans didn't give a darn about Fifty Fifty until they literally topped the billboard top 100 and then they acknowledged the groups existence. As for Bahiyyih, a clip of the loud screams of fans during her parts during kcon had + 1M views and korean comments reacted positively towards it by acknowledging her international popularity.
3) Xiaoting brand deal was also rejected. What's your excuse for that ?
@@drstone5897The fact that you are blinded by your dislike for her that you can't fathom how people could possibly like her without being associated with her brother is sad. I became a fan of the group during the debut era and I found her to be sweet personality wise. I didn't even know who kai was since I only follow girl groups ( barely know BTS faces & names let alone know what txt was. Still dont care about them. I only care about kep1er ).
Even if you don't acknowledge her personality / individual qualities that would organically give her fans during a span of +1.5 years & multiple comebacks & content, what do you think about people who started biasing her after seeing her interact with Hikaru since Hikaru (someone with a very blunt, honest & straightforward personality) repeatedly mentions how she loves her enough to call her a soulmate ? That has nothing to do with her brother now does it? and yet she still gained new fans as a result of it.
@@drstone5897 sorry but hiyyih votes in Korea were pretty high and she would still make it in to kep1er top 5. Secondly i Stan her because she has great potential and her voice is so beautiful. I understand you dislike her because of your favs not making it in but if I said xt took someone’s better spot by making it last place I would look as the bad guy. Anyway be a supportive keplian or just don’t hate or mention hiyyih thank you.
Aesteria would have been such a pretty name omg. It also sounds like a polished professional group that people would take seriously 😭
omg yesss!!!
what the hell 💀 that’s 50x better than kep1er
aespa?
@@howyoudareh0wyoudare886 Well, that would be a problem, people will think they are coping aespa
@@howyoudareh0wyoudare886 then Asteria it is
Rotational centers have always been an unspoken fact in the third gen. I don't know why people insist on having one single center for a group when a center should be the member that suits the concept most that era.
fr! like we could see rn with zb1 that zhanghao and hanbin are kinda going as rotational centers. wakeone couldve done the same with chaehyun and xiaoting atleast
@@hehetsam you're right but the 1st place fans FREAK every time their fave isn't in the center. rotational centers will always make more sense (especially since the concept of a "center" is just something Mnet made up for drama on survival shows) but now it's become a big part of kpop and it'll be hard to walk it back.
@@hehetsam but it's still unusual that the center begins/leads all choruses. typically, a song should have the center beginning the first chorus, then another member beginning the second. but zb1's center begins both choruses, as well as the second half of the last. it was a bit overwhelming imo. i couldn't see the other members.
@@cuteboiji true, I'm zhanghao biased but I was still overwhelmed seeing him mostly in the mv, i felt like the others were barely on screen. like the center should shine the most I agree but they should give alot of the other parts to the other members as well :/
Also this rotational centers could work to help project groups so that way those that need a spot light or fit the concept can have an era that fans can love because its their bias.
Someone get a time travel machine, lets go to the past, and get cheryl to manage Kepler just like this, I need Mvsk to be the title track 😭😭
*I HAVE THE TIME MACHINE !!!* in order to get there, you need to recreate the characters steps from the movie *RACE TO WITCH MOUNTAIN* im being completely honest, witch mountain is real and they do more than just deal with alien humanoids. I HAVE TIME TRAVELED TO SAVE AESPA FROM THE CLIMATE CHANGE SITUATION THAT THEY WERE PUT IN BY SM. *my machine has now been fully prepared to help Kep1er* we only need 4 kpop stans (non toxic ones please) to make it into witch mountain. i wish i could go with you, but i just stay behind to defeat the bad government officers who may try to destroy our saving Kep1er mission.
REMEMBER -
Watch RACE TO *WITCH MOUNTAIN* to understand how characters eventually made it to *WITCH MOUNTAIN*
If you truly want Cheryl to manage Kep1er, please go to my time machine that’s inside *WITCH MOUNTAIN* and it will be so deadly and painstaking to make it but *FOR KEP1ER WE MUST RACE TO WITCH MOUNTAIN*
see you at the time machine, my almighty Kep1er veteran.
They could have at least made a mv for it
Although I am not a Keplian or a Bahiyyih stan, I think her voice sounds really pleasing to me, especially in Back to the City. W1 should allow her to sing more lines.
She have large lines in many songs
@@sa__edits_What songs?
@@nelliebellie2222
Hi, Hiyyih has more vocal lines in Kep1er's B-sides/Japanese songs. Like in their songs, Back to the city, Daisy, Happy Ending, Why, Love on Lock,Good Night, I do, do you?, Together forever, Girls, Dreams, Lion Tamer, Sugar Rush, etc.
In Kep1er title tracks, Hiyyih has had “most” Vocal lines in 3 of 5 Kep1er's title tracks(Up!, Giddy & Galileo compare to Wa Da Da & We Fresh where she has mostly ad-libs/1 line.
The craziest thing is that wakeone is capable of good things, zb1’s debut is literally AMAZING compared to Kep1er’s debut
Edit: For the people saying Kep1er’s debut is better than zb1 it’s not only music I’m talking about. It’s also promotions that were done better, their variety content, their guest appearances on shows. I know zb1 has a stronger lineup compared to Kep1er but things like promotions can be done while whatever the lineup is.
But I feel like zb1's lineup is way more capable / optimal.
zb1 has a better lineup and is more cohesive imo, so they were able to make their debut album a concept which fit all the members. when kep1ers lineup was announced, just like how fans were surprised, i bet wakeone was too and wasnt sure what concept would fit them so they stuck to the general space theme (and kept experimenting with each comback). cheryl did great with this video and shes right, kep1er could done amazing and captured the audience if only wakeone had thought more (ex: making mvsk the debut song) instead of using them for a cheap cash grab
'FIRST IMAPCT' is a masterpiece
@@hehetsami feel like wakeone just used them to experiment around though
@@illegaluser69mvsk maybe is
Beforehand, I didn't see how much potential kep1er truly had until you quite literally put wakeone to shame with this video alone LMAO. In all seriousness, whether kep1er was an experiemnt for future survival shows or not, that is no excuse for the lackluster effort the company has done. You showed how these girls TRULY could have been at the forefront of the monster rookie girl groups from the 2022 class. Utter disappointment to see such talented group go to waste.
PS. I know I always comment about and it gets hella repetitive but the editing is just SO GOOD cheryl!!!
*Hi I agree with all of your comments. Kep1er members deserves so much better from Wakeone. I am honestly worried of how their last year is going to turn out because of Wakeone is going pay attention more to their newest group,ZeroBaseOne(ZB1). ZB1 debut song and music video had a larger budget than Kep1er’s debut. just look at the public reception of their debut song and album compare to Kep1er*
•Also, recently Mnet announces audition applications for girl group survival program “I-LAND 2”.The final group lineup will debut in the first half of 2024 managed under WAKEONE.
I fr agree with this. Being the Guinea pig of Mnet and WO does not mean that all their decisions regarding Kep1er have to be so painfully half-assed. If they had put in the work to REALLY make Kep1er as successful as possible, I bet they wouldn’t have made more than half of the decisions they have alr made. Maybe then ZB1 and Kep1er would both be big hits rn instead of WO saving all their hard learned lessons from Kep1er on ZB1…
@@yeseokep1er well she made good points through out the video and people are ok to agree to it. Whether she is an ot8 stan or gives bahiyyih back handed compliments, those things don't matter as long as her points are valid, people are free to agree or disagree to it. That's the point of a discussion.
Seeing how ZB1's concept, music and lore is already so interesting and captivating gives me such mixed emotions as a Kep1ian/Zerose. It proves that W1 is more than capable of giving a group good effort and direction, but since Kep1er was the experimental group to test the waters on a new survival show after the scandal and the lineup didn't have exactly who they wanted, Kep1er got the bare minimum. The fact that WDD was filmed literally near W1's trashcans proves it to me. But seeing how they fumbled T01 and Jo Yuri, I can't say that I'm too shocked.
I'm so happy for ZB1, but man, Kep1er deserved better.
Jo yuri my girl, she can hold herself really well as a performer, a voice that is universally loved, come one w1 do your job
The amount of times I screamed "YES!" while watching this video probably has my family worried. I have been so frustrated with Kep1er since the start because it is not that they don't have good songs (they do) or that the girls aren't talented (they are), but whoever is taking the decisions seem to just be autosabotaging themselves for no reason, choosing to do the stupidiest thing they can think of.
This is what infuriates me about Kep1er, they have a lot of potential to actually be a top girl group! All the members have unique charms that can attract different types of people. They're extremely talented and have a relatively good popularity from the start.
Look at ZB1’s debut song, cheerful happy, lively garden. What did Kep1er get? Baby words, dull, playground design. Sorry but the Kpop Industry just biases boys over girls.
i'm assuming that's why they went with girls planet first as well. lol
@@nadithyaweerasinghe6741 they love using girls as experiments and then fixing their mistakes in the boys ver istg
Bur there’s a bunch of successful girl groups out there now, w1 just sucks at managing Kep1er and keeps hard-selling us the uncharismatic members!
@@nadithyaweerasinghe6741 I mean the first produce series was girls, it’s was decently successful but it boomed after s2 with the boys & Wannaone
@@lunacxx1330 because mnet loves to use girls as the guinea pigs..
Finally someone appreciates yujins dancing. People rank her 6 and 7 out of the members
*Hi, Yes I agree people really underestimate Kep1er’s dance line.Of course, Hikaru, Dayeon and Xiaoting are incredible main dancers.*
*But I am so frustrated why people always forget Yujin, Youngeun and Yeseo that are apart of the dance line as well and they are great dancers! I honestly hope Kep1er gets more songs, performances and covers that can showcase their talents.*
well.. it’s true, but it’s because kep1er has a really good dance line. so that doesn’t really make yujin a bad dancer , because she isn’t best out of these girls which almost all 9 of them are really good dancers.
Cause she has been tearing it up recently too!
I mean… being the 6th best dancer in a group like Kep1er is not a bad thing lol
@@hanmira that’s what i’m saying
I strongly belive that kep1er would slay a sailor moon/ magical girl concept. 4gen fans would eat it up.
"No one in W1 has ever taken a marketing class" So true! Crazy thing is they don't need to! Like I'm a tech student and I could've done a better job at promoting this group! I know that they don't have the best lineup but if W1 wanted to, they could've done so much better!
I really don't know because with ZB1 they are doing really well, members have already been sent to luxury brand openings, they are already on nolto, and many 3rd gen groups haven't even been on nolto, kstarnextdoor, their own reality show, and so many magazine covers and editorials. Honestly all of this could be done for Kepler as well but i believe they kept Kepler as a testing ground for other coming produce groups
@@snehaswati Right. Kepler was created for testing purposes. I think the main factors behind kepler's failure are the pandemic and the lack of distinct sound. Also, mnet couldn't create the group as they wanted to. During gp I really thought this group will be popular but in the finals when the lineup was formed I was not so sure either. At this point, W1 has given up on the group. They are giving them random songs without creating a distinct sound for them. It's sad to see these girls' talent being wasted.
Exactly like I’m a law student who has liked kpop since 2gen….they just had to LOOK around to see what they had to do
For variety shows, I must point Hikaru is a stand out since her screams and bubbly + blunt personality stands out. The compilation videos of her screams & the members laughter every time she's chaotic are proof enough. As for the most energetic team variety shows, I recommend Hikaru , Youngeun , Yujin , and Dayeon since you will always see them either create the chaos or add on to it by joining in 90% of the time ( ft Xiaoting since she's mostly chaotic and screaming when she gets super competitive in contests / challenges rather than day to day content )
I am so happy seeing someone else appreciate Yeseo’s charisma for center! She really slayed throughout the whole competition and really can draw your eyes even when she is in the back!
the random jabs at hiyyih and her fans are weird(plus considering the other girls solo fandoms aren’t any better), apart from that i agree with your points in the video. Kep1er really could’ve been one of the top ggs right now if they were marketed well by their company, it almost seems like they used the group as an experiment and now that they know what works and what doesn’t they’re using that for their new bg which is zb1. The only thing i would like to add is that seeing bahiyyih and hikaru’s friendship they could’ve gotten a show where they invited other idols, the girls seem to have a really likable personality too and it would’ve been a huge hit considering bahiyyih has a huge fandom and inviting other idols may get their fans interested in the group.
The only solo fandoms among Kep1ians that generally don't cause many issues of infighting so far have been Chaehyun, Shiro, and Yujin stans. Literally every other solo fandom among Kep1ians have been so toxic. But Hiyyihlights get the hate because they're the loudest, and I don’t think that's fair.
@@goldyd144you are absolutely right and just to add i’d say xiaoting, dayeon and yeseo fans just maybe one of the worst
Realisticly speaking , hiyyihlights have in fact been the most toxic fandom within the group , it was quite literally hiyyihlights vs every fandom at some point , hiyyihlights even fought amongst themselves and they continuously trended Kep1er disband when no other fandom did
The jabs at hiyyih herself were unecessary ngl
@@graham735 That infighting didn't come from nowhere though. The other fandoms often pick fights with Hiyyihlights just as often as Hiyyihlights pick fights with them, if not more. Hiyyihlights also became toxic due to the fact that Hiyyih was constantly attacked as a contestant both during GP999 and still is as a member of Kep1er. People are going to hear and see Hiyyihlights more because she has the biggest fandom, so the toxicity is louder. But the jabs at Hiyyih are still unnecessary.
Excellent video!! I was really looking forward to it and u did not disappoint!
I also think Bahiyyih could have been given like a show similar to eunchae from lesserafim to showcase her variety skills as well (from what I have seen she seems pretty funny and likeable)
Hi I agree. I think it’s kind of a concidence that you mentioned that since Bahiyyih and Eunchae have been friends since they were classmates before their each of their debuts. Bahiyyih has done a couple vlogs along with her friend and Kep1er groupmate Hikaru. I hope Wakeone allows Bahiyyih to do Vlogs, it could really benefit Kep1er and her solo fans.
Honest straightforward analysis how to reorganize the K-pop girl group Kep1er had such potential to be successful in the music industry each member have very distinct strengths personalities Talents charisma charm and Stage presence
I love Back to the city. Its my favorite Kepler song and i feel it shows off the members voices soooo well. Great video
Omg, I love when you talk about Kep1er, cause I feel so frustrated about everything with this group, they deserved so much more. I would like to ask a stage presence ranking and archetype of the girls :)
the digs at bahi.....it's getting weird
They have run out of reasons atp, because time and time she has proved them wrong
The way I screamed in excitement when I saw this… If anyone needs me, I need to explain to my neighbor that an irl slasher film isn’t taking place in my apartment 😅
This was a very interesting and well made video (which I clicked because of the thumbnail, I don't actually stan Kepler), but, as an objective viewer, there were parts where you sounded unnecessarily harsh when discussing specific members. I think you can say you think someone lacks necessary qualities for a role in a more neutral way, and maybe if you'd mentioned one member (whose name I didn't quite catch) with a little less venom, the video in general would come across a lot more balanced. You said you dislike this particular member's fandom, so it's possible they're negatively impacting your view of the member herself, which is unfair, but easy enough to fix if you catch it early enough. Again, really well made and your creative vision is compelling!
I didn't really appreciate the random jabs at hiyyih, but a lot of your other points were good. Also as a kpop stan, one of the biggest things that turn me off from a group is when the company clearly favors one or a few members (in this case chaehyun, dahyun, youngeun, and hikaru). I may just sound like another dumb bahiyyih stan to you, but when I stan a group, I want to see all the members get a chance to shine. Especially since Kep1er members were already marketed through gp999, one of their biggest priorities should have been retaining the fans Kep1er already had, instead of trying to push their favorite members to the public.
I totally agree. I loved most of the points in the video and think a lot of her ideas would really help Kep1er. I just felt sad with the jabs at bahiyyih and her fans. I don’t stan kep1er but I enjoy some of their music and content plus I love this persons videos so I watched. It just seems like every time I open some thread or watch a video on Kep1er someone somewhere is taking jabs (or straight hate) on this girl and her fans. It just takes me back to when I found out about her through a hate thread while she was still on gp999. I find her to be very beautiful, interesting and talented. So if her fans are for whatever reason being very vocal about her treatment as an outsider to the fandom I can understand why they may act out in her defense.
Same I love bahiyyih and I feel sometime people take shots at her just because 😢
The jabs at hiyyih is so hateful. Like there really was no reason for them
literally this video was great till she randomly started shading hiyyih, like this girl could do any better smh
Like fr. Especially her stage presence jabs towards Hiyyih, like??? As someone who analyzes stage presence, you'd think she'd go a bit into why Hiyyih fits MVSK rather than taking a jab at her for fitting it like she can't perform at all. Cheryl's been bitter towards Hiyyih since We Fresh era when the whole hashtag thing happened, and Hiyyihlights both unfairly criticisized her and fairly pointed out her lack of vocal knowledge when assessing and criticisizing Hiyyih's vocals.
wakeone really failed kep1er...i hate them so much :/ i love zb1 but i just can't stop being mad bcs kep1er deserve what zb1 got. i can only hope their next group/solo career treat them better
Did they fail? Or did they accomplished the goal of forcing the members to renew their contracts with swing/wakeone, because doing a pokr job while still producing money to make the members not popular enough to stand on their own to renew their contracts with w1 and swing is not farfetched to me.
I'm telling you all, no changes, no queendom 2 and only if wakeone treated decently all the members from the beginning and especially bahiyyih since she has the biggest fanbase from all, the group would be very successful today.
W1 has denied brand deals for Bahiyyih, Yeseo and Yujin. They also only allowed Kep1er to post individual song covers in the past few months. Bahiyyih had to release a cover unofficially through her Bubble during We Fresh era because W1 wouldn't allow her to post it on the Kep1er UA-cam channel.
Also, members of Kep1er such as Bahiyyih, Dayeon, Chaehyun and Yeseo have been attending vocal lessons regularly.
Honestly tho, kep1er is not a bad name. It fits the planet theme everyone expected from a planet themes survival show. Plus the theories that every girl was supposed to be from a different kepler planet and we saw that with their intros where they all had different colors to represent their planets and they were supposed to make their "first impact" to fans on earth. The first album theme was not bad, only the title track was bad. Idk i think it makes more sense if they actually kept that. Aesteria i think people would have still hated it because you know kpop stans will never be happy with any name
The fact that kep1er doesn't have bad songs, it has a bad organization of the albums and main tracks, because really its b-sides are beautiful and many are misused title tracks
i really agree wit so much of what you said but again, like kep1ers fans you're undervaluing hiyyih talent and abilities. hiyyih is literally top 5 in vocals and has started becoming a better rapper. when you mentioned dayeon leadership for ice cream during gp999, you fail to mention how hiyyih was also mentoring but mnet never showed it. hiyyih helped several trainees learn the choreo whenever they fell behind. and as much as i like the idea of first place being fotg, you should also be considering international audience as much as korean audience. hiyyih was the most popular trainee internationally, point blank. she ranked first in 115 countries and is hella known in korea. making her the fotg alongside chaehyun would be a smarter idea in the long run as she has the support to back it up. that way, she can be promoted more internationally (mcing kcon, doing daebak show, literally anything i-fans eat up) and chaehyun can focus on domestic fans(music show host, variety show gigs, anything k-fans love) and having them both at fashion shows. thats just my opinion tho😅
I agree
Hard Agree
@@drstone5897I don't think you're a kep1ian so it's not on you to say that buddy. Kep1ians love her. Anyone that excludes her isn't a kep1ian to begin with
@@drstone5897 Correct me if I misunderstood you. Do you think most kep1ians are simply tolerating her because they watched girl planet 999 and don't think she deserved a spot ?
If so, then I'd have to disagree with you because I don't think all kep1ians watched the survival show to have any gp999 baggage that would influence their perception of Bahiyyih. Since girl planet 999, Kep1er has been through 1 korean debut, 3 korean comebacks, 1 japanese debut, 2 japanese comebacks, and 1 extra survival show called Queedom 2. That's enough comebacks for more fans to come into the fandom without watching gp999 and liking all members organically through all their content within the past 1.5 years as " kep1er ". I myself am an example of that since I'm a kep1ian that started liking them when I listened to MVSK and that has never watched the show to have a perception of " who deserves to debut " because I only know the final official lineup. And I genuinely like all members including Bahiyyih. I don't have to bias her to notice through hours of content that she has a kind personality, is goofy with Hikaru which is fun to watch and can be very pretty with blonde hair ( I thought blonde hair suited her the most ). I also can easily notice how she practices English in every kep1er behind the scene content so I started appreciating her dedication to study and do her best. There you have it. I can say just as much and even more about every single member of this group because I love them all. I wouldn't stand a group if there was a member I had to tolerate.
@@drstone5897 hard don’t care 🙄
i agreed with 99% of this. but i will NAWT take 'up!" slander 😭 like that song was soo good their best title. it just came out at a weird time lmaaoo
Up was so good , wakeone did not promote it properly , it had so much potential
Up! is still arguably their best title track
You need to be a creative director of a group, you’re so smart and creative!
you're so right about wakeone tbh and I need all of my faves (ZB1, Kep1er, Jo Yuri, Park Hanbin) to GET TF OUT OF THERE
Srsly WO don’t know what they’re doing AT ALL
that bahiyyih comment was so uncalled for
which one? i don't want to watch the video
@@unhappyrefrains the one about her getting lines in back to the city and sm about her fans shutting up on twitter
Y'all are loud, annoying, And won't accept the fact that the main reason why she's popular is because of her brother.
@@Welchs-Fruit-Snacks just say you're ugly and stan flops move on
@@Welchs-Fruit-Snacks People know she is popular because of her brother. Y'all can't accept that people can still genuinely like her, and think she's talented beyond that too. In fact, the only times people really bring up her brother is in comments like this. I barely see her actual solos or Kep1ians talk about him outside of the times they interact; it's always ot8s and Hiyyih antis bringing him up. 🥱 That sounds more loud and annoying, lol 😂
bahiyyih is extremely underrated as a vocalist imo... her "all in my head" cover shows an unexpected control and hability to showcase emotions. I honestly think she deserves to be a lead vocalist more than dayeon.
why do yall have to put down Dayeon every tike you want to praise Bahiyyih… this is why no one takes hiyyighlights seriously and thinks they’re just biased. Dayeon is a very talented vocalist who deserves her position.
@@xrrgr Saying they think Bahiyyih deserves a position over Dayeon, or saying Dayeon deserves a position over Bahiyyih, is not a put down. A put down would be saying either is a bad vocalist or insulting them.
@@daydayg5793 it actually is a put down because instead of just saying she deserves a position, you bring up another person and say she should take their spot. Bahiyyih stans do this all the time, constantly pitting her against her members and acting like it’s not possible for both her and Dayeon to have a lot of lines in one song.
@@xrrgr Hiyyihlights DO put down Dayeon all the time in ways that are very malicious, but I disagree that that's happening here, and here's why: Cheryl added 3 Lead Vocalists in her rearrangement of the group. Yujin has more experience as a vocalist due to her tenure as an idol and Mashiro has a small technical gap with Dayeon. Meanwhile, Bahiyyih and Dayeon are more similar in their skillset vocally. OP just listed ways they think Bahiyyih exceeds vocally, and none of Dayeon's faults or used any insulting language. People can often say they think Hikaru and Xiaoting are better dancers than Dayeon, and that isn't considered a put down. But do the exact same thing for vocals, and it is? I never got that.
@@xrrgr And like I said in my first comment towards you; if the roles were reversed, and it was Dayeon taking a Lead Vocalist position over Hiyyih in OP's comment, then I would not consider that as a put down either. There are Hiyyihlights who are extremely toxic and DO put Dayeon down very maliciously. Even non-Hiyyihlights do, as there's a "Hikaru" stan in this comment section making awful comments about her. I just don't really see that here. Conversely, there's also people who routinely make awful comments about Hiyyih's vocals and say she adds nothing to the group. It's messy, and I hate it. This fandom is truly fractured. Hard to be a Badaz stan, truly 😔
i so agree with the part about garam and xiaoting being the contenders for the 4th gen it girl, although i also think karina with the right marketing could also have a lot of potential to go against wonyoung. i really like garam with the little time she got to shine, her introduction video before her debut really caught my attention that girl has the power to draw people in which is what an it girl does. xiaoting with her visuals and talent as well as her personality could very much make an it girl, it's a shame kep1er has their current management otherwise im sure xiaoting would be able to make a big impact
This video is so incredible and high quality
Wake One should watch this for future groups they will make
About positions, I think Chaehyun should be the only main vocal, while Youngeun, Mashiro and Yujin would be lead vocalists. I have no idea why Dayeon has so many lines, especially in the vocal line. I would accept her as lead rapper, but in general I cant see why she needs so many lines since she’s mostly a dancer and ONE singing performance during gp999 (snake).
Rap line: Hikaru (main), Dayeon (lead) and some girl could act as sub rappers like Xiaoting
Dance line: Hikaru and Dayeon (main), Youngeun, Xiaoting, Yeseo and Yujin (lead). I know it is a big dance line, but the group should be dance-focused.
I agree with the everything but the dance line since Xiaoting is the best dancer in the group. Her versatility knows no bounds and she excels at almost everything
I definitely agree with Chaehyun being the only main vocalist!
Despite lack of singing in girls planet, Dayeon is one of the better vocalists in the group (Top 3 or 4)
Dayeon is one of the better singers in the group (her, Mashiro and Hiyyih actually have pretty small gaps/similar strengths and weaknesses skills wise) + her voice isn't so distinct that it could hinder her versatility, so she gets lots of vocal lines. W1 had an eye on her during auditions/O.O.O evaluations due to her stability, and it's speculated that she's one of the singers used to sing the theme song.
@@brendan6555 still makes no sense the amount of lines or prioritizing her over the others. Especially since they almost never sing live anyway demanding a lot of technique or stability
No one who at least didnt have a passion for Kepler would make such a fantastic, detailed, necessary video dedicated to them as a group. I love all these girls so much, so you don't know how much this means to me xx
Finally someone who recognises Yujin's dancing abilities. She is such an underrated dancer. I agree that this group is incredibly stacked with dancers, but Yujin has been slept on in all categories (dance, vocal, rap, stage presence and more) for her entire career, and her companies have done nothing to help. She barely got to shine in CLC, despite being the center, aside from a few dance videos with Seungyeon, but her dance skills were overshadowed a little by Seungyeon (not because she is bad, but because Seungyeon is probably one of the top three dancers in all of kpop). Now in kep1er, wakeone also isn't giving her any opportunities to shine.
Yes, she is not as powerful as other dancers such as Yeseo, Dayeon and Hikaru, but her technique is immaculate. She always dances with just enough power, never overdancing or underdancing. Her lines are always accurate and beautiful, and her movements are so fluid and controlled. She is also one of the most versatile dancers/idols in general that I've ever seen, and can effortlessly pull off any concept from up to mvsk.
The only thing I disagree with in this video is your point about having two leaders. I think it's a great idea to have a co-leader. The leader would do majority of the 'leader' work while the co-leader assists with things behind the scenes. This prevents a lot of the stress that the leader would otherwise have. I think this is especially important when the leader is the oldest member, because having the oldest member as a leader might make them feel like they have to take on all the responsibility, or that they do not have others to lean on, whereas having a leader who is the 2nd or 3rd oldest member could still have older members to lean on.
The new intro slays...
And also, adding Snake as a b side in their debut album is fcking genius...
Kep1er is a missed opportunity. They had everything to make Kep1er a successful group like all the other produce groups in fact kep1er has more talent than some of the most popular/ successful produce groups but Wakeone and Swing ent really didn't give a fuck, they did not care to utilize their strong points.
1. Popular members like BH, YJ and XT should've been pushed more for promotions , marketing and as FOTG, they have the hype, popularity and fanbase, even if people don't stan kep1er they definitely know who these girls are. I'm not even kidding BH and XT trend more on social media than Kep1er, BH literally trends every alternate day.
2. They should've utilized the positions according to the member's ability. CH is obviously the best vocalist in the group and tbh she is the only one who is got to showcase her vocal abilities (as an mc of a music show and going to different shows where she can showcase her vocal ability, giving her covers etc) Along with her, YG, YJ, BH and MS should've been the members focused on vocal line.
DY, HK and YG as rappers. YG is a lead vocalist material but lets not forget that she is a great rapper as well.
I agree YS and XT as centers would've been better.
As for dance line Kep1er has no weak dancer their dance line is very strong, the company should've used this to make a name for kep1er in the industry.
3. Kep1er has strong bsides but the bad title tracks overshadows their whole discography.
4. The way the company manages their comeback promotions is the main reason why Kep1er lost the hype they had.
hikaru is more popular than yujin lmao
I'd actually swap Bahiyyih and Dayeon in the vocal Positions, Bahiyyih and Dayeon both lack vocal support, however, Bahiyyih's range, vocal agility etc all exceeds Dayeons
@@drstone5897 I think you’re the one who’s biased lmfao. Dayeon is further away from support than Bahiyyih. She is NOT the 4th best vocalist. She’s the 7th.
@@drstone5897 When did I say she was the second best vocal?
Your the delusional one.
The vocal ranking goes
9th Hikaru
8th Xiaoting
7th Yeseo
6th Dayeon
5th Bahiyyih
4th Yujin
3rd Mashiro
2nd Youngeun
1st Chaehyun
@@drstone5897 you are the one that’s wrong. But if you dislike my opinion then screw off. You’re making empty claims and have no supporting evidence. I can admit that Dayeons improved since debut but she’s nowhere NEAR 4th in vocals. Bahiyyih and Dayeon are close, I can give that much. But Bahiyyih I personally believe is better. She is slightly closer to support than Dayeon, her pitch accuracy is better and she is aware of her skills and knows what style of songs suit her voice.
Dayeon, she’s more stable when performing live, I will happily give her that, but her pitch accuracy is weaker than Bahiyyihs, she’s further from support than Bahiyyih and I don’t think she’s aware of what style of songs her voice suits which is important for singers
@@drstone5897 I’ve seen 0 vocal analyses videos ranking Dayeon ANYWHERE over 5th. Some argue Dayeons better than Bahiyyih but that’s it. Most vocal ranking videos are just children on the internet trying to force their opinion down peoples throats and if you disagree then they call you toxic.
You are acting just like those children.
@@drstone5897 the only thing she knows how to do with her mouth is use it on bosses to get more screentime LOL
The random jabs against Hiyyih is rude. Then I forgot this channel liked OT8 comments and comments calling Bahiyyih a horse. I giggle knowing a teenager pisses you off so much. Can’t wait for Kepler to disband.
@@drstone5897 I remember your account from debut. See you haven’t moved on yet. Just a hiyyih fan in disguise! Please do not look into her redebut 🫶🏼 wish you the worst in life.
@@polar7335since debut? Damn it’s giving very much obsessed. But like the saying if you ain’t got no haters you ain’t popping🤷🏾♀️
@@mpp592 it’s that account and 5 others (I think 3 of them are run by the same person) but they are disgusting to her. From debut until now. The one still gets popular shorts too which is insane too me
@@polar7335 Misery loves company. Hiyyih’s future is too bright, can’t wait to see what she does in the future
@@mpp592 you and me both!! Her possibilities are endless 💕
I think that finally Wakeone is doing something right by heading down the path of I Do Do You and Giddy. I’m really hoping they continue that sound as it’s fairly obvious that it fits the girl’s vocals better and it’s just more pleasant to the ears, plus it’s perfect since it’s a popular trend to do the more cuter, brighter and fresh concepts, and what Kep1er was doing earlier wasn’t working for them, and so they switched and I hope this switch stays for good
Feels like only corner in internet, that safe to remember Garam, thanks Cheryl.
Thanks for giving justice to my girls kepi too
Yeah I appreciate it to 😊🥳
I love Kep1er but I will admit some of the discography is not the best, but that won’t stop them from being one of my favorite groups
I think Youngeun and Hikaru would also be strong contenders for center imo ! Also… Finally someone spoke up about how dayeon was a bad leader for Ice cream ! the solo part was such an awful move…
I completely agree with everything but I will argue that Xioting and Bahiyyih are the most popular and the Stan attractors of the group. Bahiyyih is a big money-making chance for wakeone, I don’t know why they don’t utilize it. Like it was rightly mentioned in the video, giving her cute beauty/ fashion vlog or behind the scenes vlog will be so good. Also both her and xioting having more magazine content and Bahiyyih in fashion would be great too seeing that she already has interest in that. To me, those 2 are the most attractive members plus Bahiyyih has a nice international support, pushing her more could have helped them there too. So many missed opportunities in this group
What I'd do (concept-wise) for Kep1er is give them a bit of lore. The story for them would be 9 girls chosen to explore different planets for 2 1/2 years. This concept would allow them to do different concepts every comeback. I'd have their debut be them looking back on their time at the space academy they came from (girls planet) and boarding the ship to explore the galaxy. At the end of their contract, I'd have it be the end of their space exploration trip and it would be them going their separate ways (symbolism for the group disbanding). I know it's rather basic for a concept but I think it'd be pretty fun and unique
Your idea is better than what wakeone doing. I was confused why their sci Fi concept isn't used often
Ke1per is a great group name for lore heavy stuff
@@AquaRunner533 Honestly the reason why they don't use the sci-fi concept is probably because the group was so rushed. Kep1er has so much potential, so I hope atleast by the end of their contracts they get to showcase it more
Kep1er is the definition of wasted potential like how are you going to have talented members and bahiyyih’s insane amount of popularity and not use it???? It makes me cry in frustration istg wake one ain’t sh#t fr!!!
Lol "even Bahiyyih could perform it well", you really don't hide your dislike of someone who did nothing to you
Is it not possible to give opinions on something without having to sound condescending?
as a kep1ian since debut, wakeones mismanagement has been super infuriating. I LOVE your ideas for kep1er regarding sound and concept, but the way you make so many backhanded comments about the girls (implying bahiyyih is a bad performer, chaehyun isn't a good enough center, dayeon can't lead, and more) just leave a bad taste in my mouth and make me think that you're making this video because you want to highlight kep1ers shortcomings. I know thats probably not your intention but that's just how it comes across to me.
@@drstone5897 im not saying that she doesnt like her and i'm not making problems, but the way she commented about her skills and indirectly what she brings to the group was kinda backhanded (even if she didn't mean it) and I was just sharing my feelings on that
@@cheeryberrie is it really ? I've heard things but didn't want to assume
The rational center's are so smart!
I agree that hiyyih should be pushed more on the platforms, like people LOVE HER
Seriously your reimagined comebacks are gold. I really like kep1ers bsides so this is perfect, especially the positioning of the songs
unpopular opinion: dayeon has a nice rap tone
.... As a Baihiyyih fan, I feel very called out, and I didnt even do nothing 😭 I just saw a pretty girl and decided I like her 😅
Few things i would disagree with is that .....
- Dayeon is on vocal line instead of rap.
Her rapping is better than her vocal and Hikaru being the only rapper is very unbalanced position wise in the group. 8/9 being on the vocal line makes it hard to distribute the lines well and it's already so bad with Only 2 getting rap lines (Dayeon snd Hikaru). With that being said there is like 5-7 better singers than Xiaoting, and she did rap in Gp999, so she can be a lead rapper too which makes the position more balanced. She can still be on the vocal line along with Yeseo but as Yeseo doesn't really rap and 5-6 others are better singers than Yeseo, Yeseo will only be considered a vocal not (lead vocal) and get the "left over" lines instead of Xiaoting who is another vocal line. So it's likely that Xiaoting would the last choice to give vocal lines too when there is Yeseo who is also on the Vocal line and who's a better singer than Xiaoting.
I think both Dayeon and Hikaru should be main rapper. And their differences in their rap styles is useful/ great to have.
As for dancing it's clear that the best dancers are Xiaoting, Dayeon, Hikaru and Youngeun. I am fine with yeseo and Yujin being lead dancers but if we have to tone it down with the amount of dance positions i would say Hikaru and Dayeon should be main dancers and Youngeun and Xiaoting as the lead dancers. I think the first two Suit idol dancing more but Xiaoting isn't so far from them. I would say she's the best dancer if we consider her versatility but it's fine if she's a lead dancer.
For vocal line i am fine with Yougeun being a main vocal too ( because i like her vocals and her tone.) but if we consider how far she is from Chaehyun she is only worth being a lead vocal. Whether she's a lead vocal or a main vocal the other one's that should be lead vocals are Mashiro and Bahiyyih. They are both the same ability wise and in my opinion is the same skill wise ( vocaly) with Youngeun. If they are given the opportunity, who knows how much better they are. In my opinion i don't understand why Bahiyyih's vocals are so underrated within and even iutside of the fandom. She has showen what she is able to do with the little opportunities she has gotten. Her tone is very beautiful and her range is large. Her voice is very clear and if anyone has ever seen the Japanese and Korean people's comments about her vocals, they give her compliments saying her tone is very beautiful and she has a very clear voice. At any average kpop group ( with no vocalists like Mamamoo or RedVelvet), she should be considered a lead vocalist position and never just a vocal line. We haven't seen her maximum abilities b/c for some reason Wakeone hasn't thought of giving EVERYONE (including her and Mashiro) the opportunity to showcase their talents. Plus Bahiyyih knows how to play instruments i don't understand why they haven't utalized that on award shows or covers. I need wakeone to utalize Bahiyyih's instrument skills and Xiaoting's ballroom skills on award shows or anywhere they can. I agree with Yujin being only a "vocal" not a lead vocal skill wise but i am also fine if she's another lead vocal if that means they all get treated fairly and the only way for her to get good lines.
- and other stuff i would like to say: Mashiro can even be a lead rapper in this group and since Dayeon is treated as an all rounder, they should treat Youngeun like the all rounder she is. But if they treat both as All-rounders, then when dayeon rappes -> Yougeun sings/ gets vocal lines and when Youngeun rapps, Dayeon sings. That keeps the distribution ballanced and showcase everyone instead of just 3-4 members all the time.
- seriously i don't understand what members like Mashiro, Bahiyyih and even Xiaoting is getting from this temporary grouping when they are not given the opportunities to showcase what they've got.
- the first step Wake One should do is give them a GOOD title track. Their b-sides are one of the best and very good however the title tracks ( the songs that gets premoted and more people would know about) are chosen so poorly. One of the reason the distribution is so bad is because half of the song are decent vocal lines while the other half is full of shouts and ad-libs. And everytime it is always the same 3-4 members getting the decent lines while thte same members getting the ad-libs. That's sucks for any fans. It would disappint anyone. The fan comes and listens to the song just to hear their bais/ the voice they like get shouts and ad-libs and that gets very crazy and frustrating when it's always like that. The same member (s) geting the least lines and majority of the 8 second lines given to them being adlibs sucks very bad. That should seriously improve.
- in my opinion i disagree with Chaehyun being the face of the group. I think there are 3 options.
1: Xiaoting, Chaehyun, and Bahiyyih.
- Reason: Xiaoting is popular and can be great in bringing Chinese fans. Chaehyun seems to be good with people and can be great in bringing in korean fans ( also as benefit for being a winner). Bahiyyih is very good with people and has a very funny/great personality which is good for veraity shows. She's also the most popular international, Which means she can bring international fans, she can also speak english (best English speaker in the group). Honestly as i thought about it, Yujin maybe a good choice to but maybe 4 members as face of the group is too much.
2: Xiaoting, Hikaru, Bahiyyih
-Reasom: the 3 most popular members; Chinese, Japanese and international representation ( Bahiyyih can even be korean representation considering that she ranked 7th for korean votes and she's half/ethnically korean, culturaly korean, and obviously is very fluent in Korean).
3: Hikaru and Bahiyyih
Reason: arguably Hikaru is the second most popular in kep1er (some say Xiaoting is second and some say Hikaru is 3rd). I feel as though Hikaru is more internationaly popular than Xiaoting and if you see the fancams Hikaru is most times second and sometimes first, while Xiaoting is almost always 3rd. Other reason With Hikaru is because she's the most popular Japanese member, so for that reason she can be the Japanese representatative and get more Japanese fans while also entertaining the existing Japanese fans. I am also considering that Kep1er are the most popular in Japan than Korea or China
Her personality is a good choice for veraity shows too. The reason for Bahiyyih is because she's funny/ her personality is a great choice for variety shows. She can be both an international and Kotean representative considering she's decently popular in korea, she's very fluent in korea, she can speak english, she's the most popular internationally ( and overall). As you can see Hikaru and Bahiyyih are the best choice for face of the group and that's probably why they are the two members who are usually sent to variety shows.
- in my opinion Center should be rotational with every member AS long as they suit the song. I disagree with a set Center.
I was also disappointed that Young Eun wasn't a rapper as well as dancer and vocalist. I guess they needed Young eun as a second main vocalist since they refuse to give Hiyyih or mashiro any major lines. And Young Eun did mostly promote herself as a vocalist...but still she's a rapper too! I guess they don't want to take any rap parts from Dayeon.
Before Kep1er debuted, I thought the positions would be more like Izone's. Chae Hyun would be the main vocalist. (Not that I don't think Young Eun can't be main vocalist but I admit their vocal skill is pretty far apart.)
Young Eun, Yujin, Mashiro, Hiyyih would be vocal line.
Xiaoting, Hikaru, Dayeon, Young Eun, Yeseo would be dance line.
Dayeon, Hikaru and Young eun would be rap line.
But instead it seems more like Chae Hyun and Young Eun are main vocalists.
Dayeon, Yujin and Yeseo are vocal line.
Xiaoting, Hikaru, Young Eun and Dayeon are dance line.
Hikaru and Dayeon are rap line.
And Mashiro and Hiyyih are the back-up/ ad-lib members.
Like I don't get what they have against the last two members. It's like they just took them in as extras for the group.
@@kpoppy9635seriously 😢.. I agree with you
There are definitely better ways of managing the group and I don't understand what Wake One have against the two members. They give Mashiro rap lines even though she's a better vocalist, I really want her to sing instead tho. From the beginning I thought Bahiyyih, Youngeun, Chaehyun and Mashiro would be the vocal line and it makes sense to me. However, Wake One is really setting Kep1er up for a failure. Wake One hasn't done anything correct for the girls. I am so disappointed. I wish they at least began to give the members chances to do covers but they started so late. I don't understand why. If they don't want to spend so much money on Kep1er at least let them do covers.
Wait I actually lwk agree w/ u-
But genuine question tho what happened to rapper Youngeun?? Like I LOVED rapper Youngeun can we pls bring her back?? 😭🙏🏻
@@kpoppy9635they will never take any parts from their sushi princess kim dayeon
Great video. I'd make it Aster1a instead tho, to match the 1 theme (Wanna One, X1, IZ*ONE, ZB1, IOI (representing 101))
This makes me wonder how WakeOne will do with ZB1. Based on past observations, ZB1 should get better promotional strategies, more gigs, and better songs.
They’re already doing way better with zb1. They’ve been booked since the end of boys planet
@@blahblahsuperanon No surprise there then. BG's always do and get better. Guess that will never change.
What about the visual position? It's the only one I think wasn't covered here. I think Yujin, Xiaoting, Bahiyyih and Yeseo could all be amazing visuals.
Now why did you act like bahiyyih can't perform well
because she can't
@@everglowup me when i lie:
Ahahahahaha. Damn… waking up and choosing violence.
@@everglowup bffr bahiyyih's a good performer, you just hate her for no reason
I feel like most Kpop companies pour more money, efforts and resources into their male acts versus their female ones and I think a lot of that reasoning is due to mysoginy (despite young girls are argubably kpop's largest and most faithful demographic). It's obvious in the way they're managed, their comebacks/debuts are planned, the way they're promoted and the songs they're given. Honestly, it sucks that it's so obvious and that I think of multiple examples (who will not be named bc I don't wanna get killed in the comments). Anyways, I loved this video so much (like usual) and I agreed with a lot of what you planned out as well. It's so frustrasting that WakeOne/Swing aren't taking advantage of the popularity of some members and the talent of others considering they could become S.Korea CF darlings (kind of like how the The Boyz/IVE/etc. are currently). It's a shame bc some of their b-sides are bops too.
I love how you don't just say "this is bad, this is good", you provide your opinion AND a reason for it, and even if i don't agree with something (even tho i agreed with pretty much everything), i can understand the point of view behind your point. Great work put into the vid, wakeone fucked up the group so hard
i can´t comprehend why w1 have never really tried managing Kep1er, their debut had so much potential but no one in that company seems to have a brain. What makes me even more sadder is seeing zb1 debut, i was literally shocked when i saw those teaser because i thought w1 COULDN´T do something like that because of how they were handling Kep1er. I hate that company with all my heart but it´s ok because kep1er is going to redebut as ot9 in a better company and they´re going to be huge!! (im a delulu kep1lian)
can you turn this into a series? i really wanna see you fix CLASS:y
sorry this took so damn long. also hope you like the new channel intro.
~kisses
It was amazing you did great , well as alwaysssssssss❤❤❤
Girlie it’s okay take as much time as you need. We know no matter how long it takes it will always be good quality 👏🏽👏🏽
the intro is very good imo. simple, fast, to the point - same with the title cards for each segment. a lot of these have bothered me with your older projects, so i'm happy to see you improve :)
You slayed my queen 👏🏻👏🏻
Respectfully, I really wish you hadnt thrown so much unnecessary shade towards Bahiyyih. It's fine to call out her toxic fandom for all of the bs they contribute to Kep1ers fanbase, but "even BAHIYYIH could do this" and a bunch of other stupid little jabs just ruined the entire video for me and were SO unnecessary.
Genuinely, I thought you were a youtuber who was able to take out their personal bias and give good videos, with good suggestions, and good information: but without all the petty drama bs. I've unsubscribed just because it makes me uncomfortable to continue supporting someone who is creating a platform to take jabs and allow others to take jabs at a teenager who didn't do anything other than be born, go on a survival show, and be voted into a group.
It sucks that tons of people preach "idols mental health matters" until it's an idol they don't particularly like or see the hype around. Then it's "well its just my opinion/the truth" even though it's equally as insulting and damaging to an idol.
Hope you do all the best in the future
I always love the tasteful piano music in the outro. It helps me digest the the straight facts I’ve just heard
First off, it’s so great to have you back Cheryl!!! I missed you sm 🥹🥺 (oh and I hope you had a wonderful birthday!!)
Second off, as a Kep1ian and Kep1er ult fan, this video literally sums up just how infuriatingly terrible WO is at handling the girls. It is SO obvious what fits all 9 of the members, and yet time and time and time again WO has given them the biggest mistakes for title tracks while leaving the groups BEST songs as bsides. MVSK, Le Voyage and Good Night, BTTC (the ENTIRE ALBUM was actually incredibly good, but BTTC absolutely dominated over every single song in there), etc. have all been praised as amazing songs from Kep1er, meanwhile their titles have been a love or hate. I’ve said it since the day they debuted but KEP1ER ARE GREAT PERFORMERS; EACH AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. The only PROBLEM is that WO has never released TT that properly show that. You give us MVSK as a TT, and you’ll see all the girls killing the stage, EVEN my girl Bahiyyih gained sm attention for how well she performed there. And that’s because it was a concept that fit ALL members, INCLUDING Bahiyyih. Same thing with BTTC. It was upbeat, catchy, and nostalgic, but most importantly the stages were always sm fun to watch because all the girls shined! It’s painfully obvious what direction Kep1er should’ve taken from the get go, and the fact that WO is not even trying is just infuriating asf.
Also your comments on tOgether fOrever is actually so true because last school year I took a film class and one of our projects was to plan a music video for a song we’ve listened to. I had chosen tOgether fOrever for my project and let me tell you there are SO MANY roads for that song’s mv to take!!! I had decided that the MV would be a bit more of a storytelling style than any usual music video would be (where it’s mainly focused on the performance aspect and what not). My original idea (that I had done for my project) was to make it a story of the girls balancing their Celebrity and Human lives as K-pop idols, and how having the fans and all the members together with them makes them stronger. However, right now I am thinking that if I want their Japanese release to REALLY stand out among the crowd, I’d have to make an mv that draws makes old fans emotionally connect with it, while making new fans intrigued and interested in the group. (Also tbh the whole “I am stronger now because of my fans” mv trope isssss kind of a cliche in my opinion, and I wanted this mv to take a completely different approach to the nostalgic, “message to the fans” songs that I’ve heard before.). This brought me to the decision that the MV would be a symbolic story of the girl’s journey in GP999. While it wouldn’t directly state or imply that it is (obviously because it’s symbolic, but I thought I’d reiterate that..), it would leave hints along the music video with the usage of the 3 planets and other tiny details that fans could connect to the survival show. The music video would be dreamy, almost like a flashback, and would be as if the girls themselves were revisiting and reliving their experiences in GP, and we would be there beside them watching them revisit it. Watching the days when they felt discouraged, alone, afraid and scared of what might happen in the future, watching them relive their pain of having to move forward towards their dreams without their friends who got eliminated, watching their joys of becoming a debut group and bonding to become a story that would always be them Together Forever. It would all be told through symbolism and small hints/details that the fans could connect to their own personal stories
_As an example of how the mv would unfold, I’ll use Bahiyyih’s story, just because hers is the only well thought out plan I have rn. For Bahiyyih, I’d like for her scenes to just be her surrounded by mirrors. This would be a symbol of the hate she received for being Kai’s sister and essentially just LOOKING like him. Every time she looks in those mirrors all she sees is a disfigured version of herself, as if her path and who she is isn’t clear. This would echo her real story because back in GP999, all she was known for is “That one TXT member’s sister.” Her reflection would be all jumbled and blurry because at the time, fans and planet guardians had no REAL sense of who BAHIYYIH was; they just had her brother. As the story and mv continues to unfold, we would see Bahiyyih’s reflection gradually start to become clearer, symbolizing her breaking away from the label and learning to become her OWN idol and person. Her story would end with her breaking the mirrors and finding the door to the outside world, which would symbolize her breaking out of her label of Kai’s sister and becoming her own idol with her own established fan base._
Each member would have their own scenes which would portray their journey through the show to their debut, where they’d stand together as one ready to face their future and whatever it has to throw at them. If I were to match it up with an alr existing music video, I’d say probably something like Feel Special by Twice or Bet on me by Itzy, only A LOT more focused on the storytelling aspect.
But yeah, there are SO MANY creative avenues to explore when it comes to that song, and as a matter of fact I feel like anyone to easily come up with a story better than the one I came up with 😅
But the fact that I came up with that whole story in like HALF AN HOUR as I’m writing this comment, is enough proof that anyone can create something if they put enough thought into it. And I’m sure WO has many many people who could’ve come up with something 100x better than what I just did. So if I, a 16 year old with too much time on her hands, can come up with two completely different MV tropes for a song, I’m sure WO could do that and a whole lot more if they tried…
Honestly, we could’ve gotten such a monster group out of Kep1er if only WO actually put in the work. These girls all put so so much into their career as Kepler and their company is ruining it by constantly and consistently dropping the ball. Kep1er are d wording next year (I CANT SAY THE FULL WORD BECAUSE IT MAKES ME TOO SAD 😭😭😭) and all I’m asking for is that WAKEONE wakes tf up and actually gives these girls the good marketing they so desperately need. Someone just pls save my girls 😭🙏🏻🙏🏻
Wake One PLEASE hire everglow-up as kep1er's new manager
PLEASE!
ur so real about snake and u+me. happy zb1's getting better promos but ngl it's kinda frustrating seeing zb1 get to perform say my name and hot summer like hello??? why didnt u do this w kep1er???? lol
Fuck the algorithm ive watched this before, but this is a reminder either way, since there are some topics exchanged that kep1er members are continuing their contract, which is bittersweet, two members tho are believed to continue their journey in another ongoing projects in their agency(limelight from 143 ent) namely mashiro and yeseo, and i dont trust wakeone with kep1er whatsoever. And I actually love how you did wakeone’s work. I dont believe wakeone even think of anything while preparing tehir debut, they just throw everything into a pile of shit.
These remakes are amazing but they just make me depressed because I think about what we could have had. Kepler were the experiment for ZB1 and it shows. I mean, it’s always easier to do something in retrospect than at the time, but even so I’m certain that Wakeone could have made better decisions. I hope that because the experiment is complete ZB1 are treated better - and so far I think it’s looking good.
This 😢💔
This video is very well done! Great research, well thought out concepts, and lots of valid points made... They really are a strong group with huge potential!!
people in the comments trying to make it seem like zb1 has a better album/debut in general because they are more cohesive.. im under your bed, UP! blew up and genuinely was an amazing album in general, but wakeone never cared for kep1er, nor gp999, they wanted to try a new survival show so they started with the girls, it explains the inconsistency with concepts, music, even graphic design!
wakeone DEBUTED them as a rat labs and will KEEP them as rat labs til they disband, everything they do wrong with kep1er, they will 'try' to make it right with zb1, we'll see tho
How wakeone will handle this 2 groups and their fans in the future lmao?their fans will full of jeaolusy..one side is being mistreetment,and on otherside is being super money machine...waooow..goodluck wakeone.and i think will no drama with kep1er disband on 2024,no fans cry,no kept group petition or no longer contract petition,like seriously even their own fans want disbanded so much,kept fighting each other for their own bias,they dont even care about kep1er haters,because so busy with internal problem
@@erlinar7113 i literally never mentioned fandoms or keplians or zeroses why are you replying to me
The new channel intro is so good!! And the mini album cover designs are so pretty (I will say for the Retrograde tracklist, I wouldn't use that abbreviation for 'Japanese' since its considered offensive. Its better to use "JP" or "JPN")
I know I will sound stupid but I really believe you would do very well as a group director and you should try (if you want of course) and that is the reason why I watched almost all your videos at least 5 times and I've watched some including this one over 20 times
The way I was said “man, I hope I get some content from Cheryl soon,” before checking my notifications. This is not a dig at how long this took to make, thinking about how long just thinking through all of this, writing the script and recording the voiceover, let alone the editing. And it really shows in just how well you did all of it.
I love your ideas for a MVSK and Back to the City as music videos and your album rearrangements were really good too.
They fumbled the bag so damn bad😭😭 they had sm potential
If you can, could you make a video about making your own gg or bg?? Like giving the group a name, members, concept, albums, etc. You're so creative, so i think you would be able to make a really good group idea!! 🥰
YES, THIS, ALL OF THIS. I can't believe IOI has managed to do more in less time, even if they did have JYP as a lifeline, and it's killing me. The only point I would argue with is XT not being a lead dancer: she doesn't quite have the idol dancing style down as much as DY and HK, but if the group could get suitable choreography for her in at least a couple of songs, combined with her natural star power, that would go a long way in promoting her and the group along with her.
That aside, yes, more variety content please. I don't care if Wakeone copies IZ*ONE's Eat-Ing Trip down to the last detail, I'll take literally any good content at this point.
I am a fan of your channel and i liked all your points until you started taking jabs at bahiyyn for no reason . Especially since out of all the members i noticed that her vocals are stable and she at least stands out in terms of visuals in the entire group.I think you shouldn't be insulting a idol just because you don't like them. Especially when you yourself say that hating on an idol because you don't like them makes you a mindless hater or hypocrite.
I prefer Kepler than Asteria, or whetever you said, SEE kepler is easier to remember than asteria?
I know is not a beautiful or aesthetic name, but as my marketing teacher told me, is not about if the name is "aesthetic" needs to have easy vowels and most be short.
True. The name must be memorable right?
I think you are being a bit too harsh on bahiyyih. I will try my best to not let my bias get in the way, but as someone who's career involves singing, I have a lot of knowledge about it. Hiyyih actually has such a unique and beautiful vocal tone that if w*ke*one offered proper training (which you seem to insinuate), she would actually have a very good chance at being a great vocalist. I think she also has under appreciated stage presence and charisma. Also the fact that they are trying to make xiaoting a vocalist when she is a better rapper and hiyyih a rapper when she is a better vocalist is insane
There was a post of Hiyyih with her vocal coach and he even complemented her. It seems the vocal coach wants her potential to be seen and used. I think he posted it on his Instagram or something. I truly believe Bahiyyih's vocals are underrated and should be more appropriated. She's a good vocalist in my opinion which is why I started to stan her. Her voice stood out to me in GP999 and I didn't understand the "criticism" ( although it should be defined as hate because that's what they were actually doing). Her stage presence is actually good, especially in elegant and energetic/bright concepts. She stood out very well in MVSK (which is elegant) and UP ( bright/energetic). So I don't understand why anyone criticizes her of her stage presence either.
I really hope Wake One gets their act right and does the right things with the group. The fandom also should stop singling out Bahiyyih and always say bad things about her under the name of criticizing while they compliment and never criticize the other 8 members. If you're going to criticize, do it to all members and if you're going to compliment, don't single out only ONE member. I get it if only a few stand out to you but only one being left out says something about you. ( When I say to you I don't mean you, it's just in general, it's directed at the fans who do that).
The one thing I hope is Bahiyyih's and Mashiro's vocals being utilized just like in bttc. I hope the next comeback's title track is fair like bttc and showcases everyone of the members.
This channel is OT8 that’s why. Correction they are actually OT7
@@drstone5897 and this channel liking comments about calling Bahiyyih a horse…you’re all insane. You’re all solo stans of certain girls or the same 3/4
@@fyori7376obviously a vocal coach is going to praise one of their students on a public sns platform lmao, he probably knew it was an easy way to get interaction because stans will eat anything like that up
I'm a music major in university, with a focus in vocals. Chaehyun, Youngeun and Dayeon are the top 3 in vocals, but after that they're all so so so similar in terms of how good their technique is while singing, minus Xiaoting and Hikaru who I would put at the bottom.
Acting as if Yujin, Bahiyyih, Mashiro and Yeseo have these HUGE gaps in their singing capabilities is fcking bonkers to me. They all have similar SHALLOW support, Yujin and Yeseo have a tendency to go nasal but Mashiro and Hiyyih have a tendency to shake. Hiyyih and Yeseo aren't good at projection, but Yujin and Mashiro have blocked lower pallettes when they sing, which chokes their sound. The 4 of them could literally all be switched around and I wouldn't blink.
Acting as if it's 8 girls and then
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Is just CLEAR bias that comes from them not liking the way she debuted and how she made it into the group. They'll find any reason to support their dislike of her, even if there's no LEGIT proof. They say screenshots, super old blurry videos and other easily edited things are "proof" which is all the "proof" I need theyre insane.
Honestly a lot of Koreans loved Kylkyung of I.O.I even though she's Chinese because she:
1. Spoke Korean extremely well
2. Is really pretty
Xiaoting has so much potential to be really popular but alas, SnoozeOne is too stupid to realize that
Xiaoting's visuals are so loved in Korea. If she spoke Korean as well as she does now when she debuted, she would be unstoppable.
@goldyd144 but she was from china...it takes time to learn a new language and mnet was not gonna wait a year for the foreign trainees to catch up.
@@kpoppy9635 I'm not saying that was W1's responsibility though??? It's a hypothetical. Xiaoting could've learned more Korean on her own before GP999 if she wanted too.
@goldyd144 on top of the training and preparing she was doing for her audition?
I don't think its Xiaoting's fault either. But unless mnet took the time to teach the foreign trainees Korean so they could be somewhat fluent before the show started, you can't expect foreign idols to speak fluent Korean upon debut.
I know in HYBE's survival show, all the trainees can speak Korean fairly well. Although the show is a mess so far, most of the trainees are well-liked and they can all communicate with each other. And I think if Belift promotes them like they do Enhypen, they will be quite successful.
@@kpoppy9635t's not Mnet's responsibility to teach foreign trainees Korean before their survival shows, as the trainees are from different companies that usually aren't associated with Mnet, unless they become a member of the final lineup. It's up to the trainee or the company of the trainee. Most of the time, trainees learn at least a little Korean before debut. And while it is hard to learn while preparing for an audition and show, it's not abnormal for contestants to do so either.
She didn't need to be super fluent either - Yurina and Hikaru weren't, and still had decent support from K fans.
I'm just saying it could've been an advantage to her career both with Kep1er and individually if she decides to pursue a career in Kpop after Kep1er disbands. Not that this 100% should've happened. Again, it's just a hypothetical scenario. If you're gonna pursue a career in a foreign country, learning some or a lot of the local language is always an advantage.
And Xiaoting still doesn't speak fluent Korean. The level she's at now is acceptable and digestible to Korean audiences, and would've also been fine at debut, like I said in my original comment. It's fine that she wasn't fluent. Neither was Hikaru. The only problem is that it just allowed her to fly under the radar and slowed interest in her from casual K fans.
Back to the City is SO GOOD I’ll never forgive their company for leaving it as a b-side lol
It's the fact that the girls have horrible promotions but at the same time they're working non stop to the point where they're saying they have no time to rest. All the hype and girls energy is wasted on wrong things
This video is making me think i'm the only one that loved UP!. I thought it was the perfect summer song and i still listen to it a lot. I think cute songs suit them a lot.
Hi *I honestly have seen non-Kep1er fans and casual fans say that Up! Is Kep1er best title track and they like the summer concept that it suited all of the members.* From what I have seen it seems that Wa Da Da and Giddy have mixed opinions from fans/casual fans/non-fans. And it’s seems that We Fresh is the least preferred title track. *The general consensus is that most people prefer Kep1er’s B-sides even more compare to their 4 title tracks and wish that some of the B-sides were chosen as the title tracks.*
@@wonderlucky1912 That makes sense with how i viewed UP!. I always thought it was their most successfull comeback. I really just think everybody gets to stand out when they are doing those kinds of concepts. But like you said i mostly prefer Kep1er's B-Sides. Especially Back to the City and Le Voya9e.
@@Karen-ex5tg Hi! I forgot to mentioned that Wa Da Da even though it had a mixed reaction, it did chart well in Korea and it’s 1 of Kep1er’s most well-known song.
*It’s a shame that Up! Was not as successful on the charts, Kep1er does suit bright summer/energetic concept.* •We Fresh due to many reasons caused Kep1er to decline more and I feel that Kep1er are starting to redeem themselves with the casual fans and General Public with Giddy. *I hope Wakeone gives Kep1er title tracks similar to their B-sides and Japanese Releases that these Kep1er fans and casual fans want. It’s so frustrating how Wakeone handles Kep1er, the members deserves so such better.*
@wonderlucky1912 Thank you for your kind comment and the good insight into the way Kep1er is perceived in Korea. I hope you have a lovely day and let's hope the members of Kep1er will have good opportunities ahead of them :)
lol same the way cheryl is talking so matter-of-factly: up is definitely my favorite title track from kep1er and as you said, it fit the summer vibe perfectly (+ full8loom, my favorite kpop producer, produced the song, so of course it was gonna be good). youre not the only up lover haha
Personally I would have named the group COSMIX as in Cosmos/Cosmic for the space concept, MIX since the members were mixed together and IX also means 9 in roman numbers (9 members, GP999…)
The issue is that you may run into copyright issues with RAI (the studio/company that created Winx Club). Apparently, they have a transformation called “Cosmix” and it’s hard to have a group named after something that can’t be trademarked.
Since w1 really wanted to add a 1 in the name, make it COSM1X
That solves the copyright issue as well
You really manifested, cause they just dropped a teaser of a grwm vlog whith Bahiyyih 😭
She doesn’t like hiyyih according to the comments
@@mpp592 oh oops 👀but still, its funny that she suggested and it happened
@@mpp592She likes Bahiyyih. Or, she at least doesn’t have a problem with her. Her issue with bis Hiyyihlights (is that how you spell it?).
Like all stans, they overhype her talent, are overly protective of her, and act like Kep1er would be nothing without her.
In doing so, they discredit the talents and popularity of Bahiyyih’s group mates. It’s just a toxic environment and everyone can’t wait for the group to disband so that they can remove themselves from spaces where these people occupy.
Like I’ve been saying since day one: Kep1er would be a growing and learning experience for Bahiyyih. She was never meant to shine in this group (especially because you can’t convince me that her poor treatment from Wake One isn’t a direct result of them not wanting her in the lineup).
I didn’t think she was ready to debut in a group like this at the time. But after Kep1er’s two year run, she’d be ready to re-debut in a new group as their leader and be a frontrunner in the 5th generation as one of the most noteworthy idols. And she’s proven me right with how astounding her growth has been!
But her fans saw her as the most talented person from day one and would attack other members for Bahiyyih’s lack of lines and center time.
So yeah, EGU’s issues don’t lie with Bahiyyih. They lie with her toxic fans. She doesn’t hate Bahiyyih. She hates how she’s always been presented as this holy-talented all rounder at the expense of her group mates’ talents. Sorry for writing so much.
@@Nameless_mixes EXACTLY! Her stans act like she's the best at everything when she's mid!
Everything they should've done with Kep1er, they did it with ZB1 debut lol
Kep1er performed unit versions of Snake and U+Me=Love during their Japan tour! Snake group was Mashiro, Yujin, Hikaru, Xiaoting and Chaehyun. U+Me=Love group was Dayeon, Bahiyyih, Yeseo and Youngeun.
Yeah...Probably cause the group is popular with Japan.
@@kpoppy9635 They toured in Japan because they're popular there. But the whole fandom has been begging for unit versions of these songs since literally debut. Snake and U+Me=Love were even asked by fans to be performed during Queendom, but Kep1er chose the Boys by Girls Generation instead (because it was another option fans chose as they did a dance cover pre-debut on Weekly Idol).
@goldyd144 I mean their The Boyz cover was killer!
I wish they would do a concept like that for a comeback!
@@kpoppy9635 That cover is such a classic! It got the seal of approval from Taeyeon and GG fans for a reason, and remains one of the best covers by a 4th gen girl group imo!
You could legitimately work in the K-pop industry. You really good at this!!!
yeah no but she makes nice videos
It's honestly so weird how Mnet makes a huge deal about debuting a new group through survival show but then they just disappear? Where is Kep1er? I never hear about them or their promotions. Barely any concerts, no tv promos like knowing bros, the manager or Amazing Saturday?
It's almost as bad as that Chinese Girl Group that went viral bc Lisa was their Mentor on Youth With You 2. Then THE9 debut with all this hype and fall of the edge of earth. legend says they're still floating around the galaxy to this day.
*Even though behind the scenes Kep1er have attend events, their company is not really the best at promoting them.*
•I am not sure if you know this but Kep1er just recently had a Japanese tour back in May and June (they are more popular in Japan than Korea). I hope they do more concerts.
• Kep1er had a MMET Variety show during Giddy which was their 4th comeback.
•Kep1er have attended music festivals and events this year, they attended K-Con Thailand and K-Con Japan, and they are listed to attend even more. The Kep1er members have finally gotten a chance to do solo promotions/magazine/photoshoots,etc compare to their debut. Kep1er deserves so much better from their mismanagement.
@@wonderlucky1912 Yeah everything they do is kept like this big secret by Wakeone. Most the fandom doesn't even know they released a Collab a few days ago "Rescue Tayo" Aside from 1 concert a year and half after debut Kep1er promos are dry.
After a few months of debut IZONE had already toured in Korea, Japan, Hongkong, taiwan and Thailand. NTM their side collabs wth Pepsi were huge hits.
Kep1er deserve so much more coming from MNet.
I rlly like the rotational center idea and Chaehyun as fotg makes perfect sense
you can tell this owner of the video doesnt like bahiyyih and it didnt suprise me at all cus its just queen shit 😍 popular and successful girl like jennie and wonyoung will always be surrounded by haters and thats part of being famous so im totally fine
This is the same person who defended popular pretty girls like Wonyoung, Jennie and Yuna but for some reason when it comes to Hiyyih who's also popular but who sadly recieves a lot of hate for no reason, it's just crickets...
She actually dislikes Dayeon the most, and took shots at Dayeon in the video too. She started disliking Hiyyih during We Fresh era when the whole Kep1er disband stuff happened, and Hiyyihlights called her out for criticisizing Hiyyih's vocals. Ever since then, she's engaged with more ot8s and started to make similar points about Hiyyih.
@@goldyd144 I believe she had a problem with Hiyyih at the start because when Kep1er's lineup was made, she said that Hiyyih would bring nothing to the group. Then she started noticing her improvement in Queendom I think, but it probably "wasn't enough" for her. In this video she praised her vocals but also straight up said in the comments that she can't perform, so idk about her stance on Hiyyih...
@@drstone5897 Since you also seem to dislike Hiyyih and that you've been camping under every recent comment I would advise you to touch some grass instead of spreading hate towards a young girl chasing her dream.
@@drstone5897 Here you go again 🙄 Solo stans aren't going to fight for ot9 - they're going to prop up the person they solo. I'm ot9, unlike you or Hiyyihlights, and even I understand that. Maybe instead of complaining about why solo stans don't stick up for the whole group and instigating fights over a teenage girl you don't like, why don't you send an email to W1 about Xiaoting's screentime and lines? That's actually productive.
So I agree with some parts of the video (especially the criticism for wakeone like....deserved) but I did disagree with some other things.
1. The FOTG being PO1 makes total sense but the loophole for this particular case (unlike say Wonyoung) is that Chaehyun is only really recognised in Korea. So I'd say that she represent them in Korean schedules but for outside promotions, Bahiyyih would be the best member as FOTG.
2. 8:57 Tbf the other members WERE incompetent. They were mostly young/inexperienced which led Dayeon to do everything herself whether she wanted to or not. So it's not fair to judge her leadership in a case where she didn't have a choice. Bahiyyih did apparently co-lead the team tho but ofc Mnet cut it out lol.
3. Dance line - Yujin is definitely 6th or at most 5th and most of us here can agree. I think its just you being a bit biased...
Vocal line - Chae should be the only Main Vocal, the gap b/w her and Youngeun is big lol. Also from what I've seen in some vocal channels, Bahiyyih is on par (or interchangeable) with Mashiro and Dayeon so she'd be one of the leads above Yujin.
Rap line - I actually think Dayeon's rap suits Kep1er a lot more (Her Giddy rap was too good) so for me she's at least a Lead Rapper if not the Main.
Now just to add on, people seem to bring up Hiyyihlights a lot and I get it, they're a handful alright but NO ONE can ever convince me that what they've done is nearly as bad as what Kep1ians have done to her. So many horrific things to a 17yr old including a whole PETITION to kick her out of the group but not one person brings that up? Ik Hiyyihlights have done wrong too and shouldn't be excused but....where is our priority? Have we really been sitting here letting a minor get cyberbullied but CHOOSE to speak up about her defensive fans instead?
Okay this was longer than I expected it to be lol
like she seems to genuinely hate hiyyih and her fans when keplins literaly are all ot8 and disgusting to her
Plus the amount of other solo Stan's saying shitty stuff about Bahiyyih but also other members is very unrecognized in the fandom. How do you criticize hiyyighlits when you leave out Other solo Stan's, especially xisoting's, Yeseo's and Dayeon's. Why do the fandom like to tie Bahiyyih to her fans as a reason to hate on her while they never do that with the other members. Just because Xiaoting has one of the worst fans doesn't mean you should be biased against Xiaoting herself and similarly with the other members' solo Stan's too. I think there is no need to siglo out Bahiyyih or hiyyilights when they aren't the only ones doing what is not likeable. For example didn't or doesn't xisoting's Chinese stans fat shame and say horrible things about Hikaru and Dayeon. There were many of them doing that and yet no one says bad things about Xiaoting fans or Xiaoting herself.
In general this fandom is very devided and it's not only hiyyilights vs. Keplian but Solo Stan's vs. Solo Stan's. The only time I see keplian BEING keplians is when they cooperate together to shit in Bahiyyih. But if their bais is shitted on they'd be so horrible to the other members' bais.
@@drstone5897 ?? Do bahiyyih fandom make a petition to remove the girl from the lineup ? Do bahiyyih fandom déshumanize the girl in this group ? This group has no futur at the end of the day disbandment shouldn't be that triggering too y'all
@@drstone5897 lol at least be fair. I never said the fandom wasn't toxic but at the end of the day this is the results of her harassment. sheryl should stop with her selective mindset since she only hate hiyyilight and doesn't care about Xiaoting yeseo fans etc when they're one of the worse. And please shut up hiyyih is the only members who have account dedicated to hate on her so stop with this excuse that hiyyilight are the one to blame I hope they continue to be this loud 'cause it's better than being the one who always talk about their fave mistreatment but then do nothing to change it.
And in the past ? Are you living under a rock? She still get hate and it's come from the same people lol
@@drstone5897 lol selective memoir at its best you can stop lying you're too obvious 💀
Kep1er as a name is just fine nothing to complain about