He is talking about how to use the image of Bagua and "Jin"(=mysterious way to produce qi). When he was pushed at his left arm, he sent his disciple flying by clenching his right fist and opening it. Or by hitting his forehead with his right hand. He said that his both arms are one, not two different things. In the last part of this video, he showed how to do "Danhuanzhang"(single changing palm). In this case, "Jin" exists in his left arm, not in his right arm.
What he is demonstrating is the refined awareness of body mechanics a person develops after training neija for so many years. I have trained with a man of skill comparable to this grandmaster shown here. It was incredibly dificult for my brain to understand what was going on until I spent a month training 10hours a day....and then I only mamanged to touch upon the effortless way of moving he demonstrates for a split second...almost sent somebody flying out a window it was so sudden.
WOW!! I study Bu Gua! It's all about posture, mechanics, root, intent, and chi. It's though to master all those things. As you can see, this 94 year old man still has it!! WOW!!!
I think so many decades of internalising sensitivity and power-focussing exercises would allow you to develop such refined control over physical forces that us youngsters would consider it spooky and unbelievable.
They are not exaggerating their reactions. The old master is using a relaxed, connected body from the ground, through his dantien and spine, and out his arms. It's subtle and soft power that doesn't diminish with age.
THIS IS REAL. A BAGUA MASTER DEMONSTRATED THIS TO ME THE OTHER DAY, NOT AS POWERFUL AS THIS MAN, BUT I CAN FEEL THE CHI GENERATING FROM HIS ARM AS I AM TOUCHING HIM, YEARS OF REFINEMENT ALLOWS CHI TO BE EMITTED *ANYWHERE* FROM HIS BODY WHERE HE DESIRES.
i take bagua myself and chi comes fom energy driving fom the dontion(sorry if thats spelled wrong)the sorce of mental and physical peace. chi is a natural prospect within the body that with time and practice can be sommond by anybody.chi is in everything it gives it life
Aikido, has a saying: beginners make large circles, masters make small circles. This is what Alibuck is talking about when he mentions subtlty. don't get confused by mystical sounding words like grounding. This guy is simply making very small movements that alow him to upset their balance. This isn't magic, or it is, but not mystical magic but rather more like slight of hand (body) mixed with a soft martial art. It's deceptive and skilful but nothing more magical than that. just masterfully done
There is no "best" martial art. It's down to the individuals understanding and hard work. Being player of Baguazhang, I'd say it has very good strategy and body training and stands up martially.
It's not an issue of authenticity if you watch his perfectly minimalist body mechanic; its the issue that theres a reason he's 94 years old in the video. It probably took him 88 years to cultivate those techniques necessary to achieve this effect.
good post- but most people who argue against the word "chi" don't understand it's varied meaning in chinese roughly as "energy , breath, life/vital force" as a simplified translation
I don't know what internal martial arts this master has studied but he looks like he is a master of chi. This is why he hardly moves because he is so internally connected with his chi. These guys aren't faking anything they have felt the powerful chi coming from the old master and he hardly has to move for them to feel it.
But since you clearly dont get it, I'll try one more time to demystify this for you: Because of the the way muscle tissue work on a microscopic level, they can develop larger force when just holding position or being stretched than when being flexed. Internal training teaches you to exploit this by compressing your body into the ground, like a spring -more or less. While I respect the fighting abilities of the MMA crew, I find internal training has a more long lasting health and strength effect.
Remember this. Scientific and analytic knowledge is only a portion of human knowledge.Muscles generate strength. This is a given but another strength is derived from one's chi skillfully and patiently cultivated combined with a sense of balance. The energy is demonstrated by this old gentleman. At his age he no longer has your or my vanity to put on a fake show. He is genuie and real. Respect him that much.
@iamcurlyhead yep, it's the isometric control or storing of energy in your muscles and then channeling it out in a manner that distorts the attackers posture or attack. It's just physics.
What to watch out for is the two occasions when the young guy comes from the right and just casually holds on to the old guys arm while everyone's watching the other guy talking on the right. On those two occasions the old gentleman casually "bumps" the young guy away. On those instances, the young man doesn't look like he anticipated the bumps at all, and you can see the real effect of them (without the theatrical jumping back, which seems to be traditional in these demonstrations, even when something genuine is being shown). What's being demonstrated is genuine, not something magical but a trained skill (the ability to direct forces at will to or from the ground, and utilizing the force of gravity, through a trained body) that the old man has to a high degree.
No. To verify his claim, one must demonstrate this "high level of skill" on a nonbelieving, noncompliant person who is not a 'disciple'. Disciples, acolytes, devotees, etc. are quick to acquiesce. That demonstrates little more than willing cooperation.
@mattmcan I think you are wrong to some extent. I like your comment, though. Ba means 8; Gua,divinity or fore-knowlwdge of one's fate or events to come. Ba-gua is really portion of "The Book of Change" based on Ying and Yang. It is a binary system that spins out a macrocosmic as well as a corresponding microcomic structure. When it deals with ying and yang, it deals with a different power strength and a power to forcast. When you make contact, the master reverse your strength against you.
I study Aikido and we were doing something similar a few weeks back. A person would grab the wrist or anywhere on the arm and just by touching your own head or chest or even putting your hand in your pocket. The person couldn't stop you from doing it. It's isometric body structure. Most people never get past force on force and they always play in that paradigm and never advance.
that's the master showing them how to use the arms position to "push" , but due to the age of the old master , the young ones won't really put too much effort in against the old master , and also they try to follow the moving flow to feel how these skill works to others if they use it in full power ,thats why when they do it , u may think if it's fake
Simple physics applied with masterful skill to the complex structure that is the human body. A simple push can be used so that a body will naturally react in a way that would disturb its balance. If you study chinese culture Qi was a catch all term for everything from "life force" to motion, inertia, and energy.
Exactly. Study up on fear cages caused by electromagnetic fields made from faulty wiring etc. Your body can generate those same fields, with different levels, causing extreme discomfort etc. Cuevasdecamuy, no matter how self-hypnotized you make yourself, you can't cause your body to have specific reactions. For instance, you can't cause your skin to turn yellow, as it does when your liver is messed up and you have jaundice. You can't cause your eyes to become bloodshot etc...
@adielov1 I think you know that experiment "Newton's Cradle" the last ball gets flying away where the ball next to it doesn't move. so maybe this is some kind of 'injected' force that you can't see like that balls in the middle that does not move.
What do you mean by "must remember he's 94"? This kinda trained tendon strength and improved nervous system doesn't fade as quickly as muscle tone! There actually needn't be any compliance: When rooting, bouncing and sensing skill is good enough one can cause the opponent to stiffen up, just enough to make it easy to transfer power into him through his own limbs, so as to make him bounce.
My 80 year old taiji teacher has skills on par with this guy and there's nothing fake about it. The second you touch him or vice-versa, he has complete control of your body. You're helpless.
1:09-1:10 You can see an "invisible energy repulse wave" suddenly generated from the old man's arms pushed his 2 students away. Their "body" got "squeezed back" first by the energy wave, and *then* their feet off the ground and bounced back. You can''t just jump and fake it like that.
I have experienced 'Qi' in studying Hsing-I and a little Ba Gua. Of course, I have felt the warmth of my body, the tingling sensation, which can be felt to be moved by breathing and mind. I have no doubt that there is *something* occurring. It is certainly not a unique force, however. I think it is greater circulation, electrical sensitivity and perhaps a further effect of a different, more aware state of consciousness. If Qi was a distinct, unique force, then all of physics would be wrong.
@piaten also well said. I think the comment issue was little more than misunderstanding. Scientific communities do have a big issue with the idea of 'If we cant figure it out, its false.' Nothing could be further from the truth at times.
Because what he was doing is representative of the core body skills of a number of "internal" martial arts. I've trained with teachers who can do the same, and I and other students of these arts can demonstrate these things, as well.
@minasz And I don't get astrophysics, but still the planets and stars float around there in space, don't they!? As all geniality, this stuff is based on very simple natural principles, yet it is also extremely difficult to accomplish, especially at this level.
Please, could somebody translate this into english? For me this stuff is obviously real, it's easy to say it is. There are a lot of things going that you can't see, and maybe this master is explaining them. This is real internal power. No doubt. Thanks for sharing this video. Just watching it, gives hope to continue training.
@MrWatcher101 well said. There are things the west dismissed when introduced to theories the chinese had established for some time, methinks largely due to racial bs perhaps. I too have been studying martial arts(though mainly external forms of kung fu) and I have also felt the effect of a few strikes that science cant figure out.
When you do an internal art for 80 years or more it is like the intent to tie your shoe. When you want to tie your shoe, you don't think "loop this here, do this, do that" you just do it. Your body knows the way top do it efficiently. Internal martial arts is like that - qi seems mysterious. It isn't magic, just physics. It only takes a couple pounds of pressure properly applied to send an opponent off balance.
@GaolisVideoLog I guess "gossip" was derived from the fact that people in old days and even in the present use "Baqua" in fortune telling or other forms of divination, thus becoming random talk with no substance to validate. But the "baqua" here seems to indicate that the practitioners have foresight of the oncoming forces and thus dissipate them in a timely manner.
@szhan1022 in my opinion, this is the real stuff. i can understand a lot of what he is saying, and from my training, it seems to be consistent. if you don't believe, look up tony psaila. he moves his body in a similar way, and explains it in a more "western" way. the whole qi thing just gets you thinking in a certain way, and gets your body to move in ways that is hard to do when you're thinking in a more linear manner.
Yi guides the chi, which guides the body... the chi being a low voltage energy network that moves through the ligaments, tendons, and bones, measured and documented by NIH in the 70's and theorized to be part of the immune system, like a negative biofeedback loop, which when broken trigures localized healing.
@TheCarlo58 Why is it everyone assumes I'm a skeptic, just because I have an empirical, scientific attitude, and use words like "research", "faciae", etc?! There's plenty of scientific surveys confirming the existence of chi. Anyone who denying chi is a reality are the un-scientific ones, not us! Read the entire comment thread, and or at least figure out what I'm actually saying, before making wild assumptions!
@danielsan05 Of course you don't! I'm not a mathematician, so I don't understand maths (beyond the basic level). Study and research is the key to understanding.
@CFgroup1 If you can't see the rooted powerful way he uses subtle movement to discharge his partners, then it's possible your Taiji skill may not be intermediate after all.. Still, the fact you're gaining such great health results might suggest otherwise ;)
I don't see any exagaration here. There's so many factors, like connective tissue strength, intent, sensitivity, whole body power, rooting and so forth, that you can continue to develop into old age, and that more than makes up for loss of mere muscle strength! The trained eye can clearly see the real power here. In fact there's also just no way a "fake" or choreographed demo could look this perfect, with regards to timing!
This master is very old and probably doesn't bring great power anymore. They show exaggerated reaction to his power out of respect, as is the Chinese custom. The miracle is that he brings his power in such an invisible way. This shows that his bagua tradition has the training methods that will produce the highest level of skill
He is talking about how to use the image of Bagua and "Jin"(=mysterious way to produce qi). When he was pushed at his left arm, he sent his disciple flying by clenching his right fist and opening it. Or by hitting his forehead with his right hand. He said that his both arms are one, not two different things. In the last part of this video, he showed how to do "Danhuanzhang"(single changing palm). In this case, "Jin" exists in his left arm, not in his right arm.
What he is demonstrating is the refined awareness of body mechanics a person develops after training neija for so many years. I have trained with a man of skill comparable to this grandmaster shown here. It was incredibly dificult for my brain to understand what was going on until I spent a month training 10hours a day....and then I only mamanged to touch upon the effortless way of moving he demonstrates for a split second...almost sent somebody flying out a window it was so sudden.
WOW!! I study Bu Gua! It's all about posture, mechanics, root, intent, and chi. It's though to master all those things. As you can see, this 94 year old man still has it!! WOW!!!
I think so many decades of internalising sensitivity and power-focussing exercises would allow you to develop such refined control over physical forces that us youngsters would consider it spooky and unbelievable.
Well said. Most don't understand. This guy has really got it. Looks like excellent taiji, i don't know much about bagua
i like the ba gua and tai che styles.
They are not exaggerating their reactions. The old master is using a relaxed, connected body from the ground, through his dantien and spine, and out his arms. It's subtle and soft power that doesn't diminish with age.
I wouldnt say they cant fight anymore, I like to think that an 80 year old master could still hold his own in a fight.
THIS IS REAL.
A BAGUA MASTER DEMONSTRATED THIS TO ME THE OTHER DAY, NOT AS POWERFUL AS THIS MAN, BUT I CAN FEEL THE CHI GENERATING FROM HIS ARM AS I AM TOUCHING HIM, YEARS OF REFINEMENT ALLOWS CHI TO BE EMITTED *ANYWHERE* FROM HIS BODY WHERE HE DESIRES.
i take bagua myself and chi comes fom energy driving fom the dontion(sorry if thats spelled wrong)the sorce of mental and physical peace. chi is a natural prospect within the body that with time and practice can be sommond by anybody.chi is in everything it gives it life
Aikido, has a saying: beginners make large circles, masters make small circles. This is what Alibuck is talking about when he mentions subtlty. don't get confused by mystical sounding words like grounding. This guy is simply making very small movements that alow him to upset their balance. This isn't magic, or it is, but not mystical magic but rather more like slight of hand (body) mixed with a soft martial art. It's deceptive and skilful but nothing more magical than that. just masterfully done
It's true. If you go to china you can find dozens of people who can do this type of stuff. Few of them have such warm personalities though.
Simply beautiful!
with much respect to those who have come before us.
a rare treasure!!!!!! thank you for sharing
There is no "best" martial art. It's down to the individuals understanding and hard work. Being player of Baguazhang, I'd say it has very good strategy and body training and stands up martially.
That is amazing
I'm very excited with this video
It's not an issue of authenticity if you watch his perfectly minimalist body mechanic; its the issue that theres a reason he's 94 years old in the video. It probably took him 88 years to cultivate those techniques necessary to achieve this effect.
good post- but most people who argue against the word "chi" don't understand it's varied meaning in chinese roughly as "energy , breath, life/vital force" as a simplified translation
Well, warriors might be old. But remember everyone, the oldest tree in the forest is always the strongest and wisest.
I don't know what internal martial arts this master has studied but he looks like he is a master of chi.
This is why he hardly moves because he is so internally connected with his chi.
These guys aren't faking anything they have felt the powerful chi coming from the old master and he hardly has to move for them to feel it.
Superb...thanks for posting!
But since you clearly dont get it, I'll try one more time to demystify this for you: Because of the the way muscle tissue work on a microscopic level, they can develop larger force when just holding position or being stretched than when being flexed. Internal training teaches you to exploit this by compressing your body into the ground, like a spring -more or less. While I respect the fighting abilities of the MMA crew, I find internal training has a more long lasting health and strength effect.
It is awesome to see this. Thank u for sharing! There is not much footage out there like this. If u know what to look at this is good stuff!
just amazing
Remember this. Scientific and analytic knowledge is only a portion of human knowledge.Muscles generate strength. This is a given but another strength is derived from one's chi skillfully and patiently cultivated combined with a sense of balance. The energy is demonstrated by this old gentleman. At his age he no longer has your or my vanity to put on a fake show. He is genuie and real. Respect him that much.
Where could I get a copy of the video. The chip stopped at the middle of the next move. Thank You.
I wish he was my grandpa.
beautiful and amazing
what is he saying, i would like to know. anybody?
Huh? Why was my translation deleted?
@iamcurlyhead yep, it's the isometric control or storing of energy in your muscles and then channeling it out in a manner that distorts the attackers posture or attack. It's just physics.
He does not look bad for 94
What phenomenal skill.
What to watch out for is the two occasions when the young guy comes from the right and just casually holds on to the old guys arm while everyone's watching the other guy talking on the right. On those two occasions the old gentleman casually "bumps" the young guy away. On those instances, the young man doesn't look like he anticipated the bumps at all, and you can see the real effect of them (without the theatrical jumping back, which seems to be traditional in these demonstrations, even when something genuine is being shown).
What's being demonstrated is genuine, not something magical but a trained skill (the ability to direct forces at will to or from the ground, and utilizing the force of gravity, through a trained body) that the old man has to a high degree.
No. To verify his claim, one must demonstrate this "high level of skill" on a nonbelieving, noncompliant person who is not a 'disciple'. Disciples, acolytes, devotees, etc. are quick to acquiesce. That demonstrates little more than willing cooperation.
@mattmcan
I think you are wrong to some extent. I like your comment, though. Ba means 8; Gua,divinity or fore-knowlwdge of one's fate or events to come. Ba-gua is really portion of "The Book of Change" based on Ying and Yang. It is a binary system that spins out a macrocosmic as well as a corresponding microcomic structure. When it deals with ying and yang, it deals with a different power strength and a power to forcast. When you make contact, the master reverse your strength against you.
Would someone post a translation of the Master's comments? I don't speak Mandarin or Cantonese, but I'd be interested to know what he's saying.
I study Aikido and we were doing something similar a few weeks back. A person would grab the wrist or anywhere on the arm and just by touching your own head or chest or even putting your hand in your pocket. The person couldn't stop you from doing it. It's isometric body structure. Most people never get past force on force and they always play in that paradigm and never advance.
that's the master showing them how to use the arms position to "push" , but due to the age of the old master , the young ones won't really put too much effort in against the old master , and also they try to follow the moving flow to feel how these skill works to others if they use it in full power ,thats why when they do it , u may think if it's fake
amazing!
Simple physics applied with masterful skill to the complex structure that is the human body. A simple push can be used so that a body will naturally react in a way that would disturb its balance. If you study chinese culture Qi was a catch all term for everything from "life force" to motion, inertia, and energy.
holy shit.... he can feel the flow of strenght..
The best way is to experience it yourself.
Exactly. Study up on fear cages caused by electromagnetic fields made from faulty wiring etc. Your body can generate those same fields, with different levels, causing extreme discomfort etc. Cuevasdecamuy, no matter how self-hypnotized you make yourself, you can't cause your body to have specific reactions. For instance, you can't cause your skin to turn yellow, as it does when your liver is messed up and you have jaundice. You can't cause your eyes to become bloodshot etc...
does anyone know who this master is?
incredible chi control very nice video
@adielov1 I think you know that experiment "Newton's Cradle"
the last ball gets flying away where the ball next to it doesn't move. so maybe this is some kind of 'injected' force that you can't see like that balls in the middle that does not move.
What do you mean by "must remember he's 94"? This kinda trained tendon strength and improved nervous system doesn't fade as quickly as muscle tone! There actually needn't be any compliance: When rooting, bouncing and sensing skill is good enough one can cause the opponent to stiffen up, just enough to make it easy to transfer power into him through his own limbs, so as to make him bounce.
My 80 year old taiji teacher has skills on par with this guy and there's nothing fake about it. The second you touch him or vice-versa, he has complete control of your body. You're helpless.
Empty yourself and feel the energy being transmitted. Focus on posture and allignment cultivating the internal energy.
this is awesome
haha that's exactly what I thought when I watched this! this is a very interesting vid, ty for uploading^^
Can someone put a translation on this video.
That would be great.
CUTE AND EFFECTIVE VID
yes.
Felicidades, muy bien.
1:09-1:10
You can see an "invisible energy repulse wave" suddenly generated from the old man's arms pushed his 2 students away. Their "body" got "squeezed back" first by the energy wave, and *then* their feet off the ground and bounced back. You can''t just jump and fake it like that.
Đến bao giờ mình mới đạt đến trình độ này đây ^!!
please put translation
Is this Jing?
Uau this video is fantastic.
I practice karate shotokai
@bhka111 i agree with you but real martial arts is really about protecting/helping others not killing
I have experienced 'Qi' in studying Hsing-I and a little Ba Gua. Of course, I have felt the warmth of my body, the tingling sensation, which can be felt to be moved by breathing and mind.
I have no doubt that there is *something* occurring. It is certainly not a unique force, however. I think it is greater circulation, electrical sensitivity and perhaps a further effect of a different, more aware state of consciousness. If Qi was a distinct, unique force, then all of physics would be wrong.
Can anyone translate what he is saying..., by the way this would be a good service for youtube to provide..
translation between languages....
anywhere to watch this subbed in english? would love to hear what he's saying :O thanks for sharing this tho
Magneto!!!
Subtitle would usefull :(
How am i supposed to understand the widom of BaGua now
who is this old man?
Amazing thanx for that awsome rare Footage ...ufc ain't got No Style.
Ba Qua also uses push hands.
@piaten also well said. I think the comment issue was little more than misunderstanding. Scientific communities do have a big issue with the idea of 'If we cant figure it out, its false.' Nothing could be further from the truth at times.
Because what he was doing is representative of the core body skills of a number of "internal" martial arts. I've trained with teachers who can do the same, and I and other students of these arts can demonstrate these things, as well.
@minasz And I don't get astrophysics, but still the planets and stars float around there in space, don't they!? As all geniality, this stuff is based on very simple natural principles, yet it is also extremely difficult to accomplish, especially at this level.
hey u should check out john chang. thats a really cool video.
@rushforce33 great point - you are correct. I think this guy is just senile and they are trying to make him feel better.
Please, could somebody translate this into english? For me this stuff is obviously real, it's easy to say it is. There are a lot of things going that you can't see, and maybe this master is explaining them. This is real internal power. No doubt. Thanks for sharing this video. Just watching it, gives hope to continue training.
I might translate this soon!
Thank you best comment.
seems you know your stuff
Thx from a liu he ba fa Practitioner
@MrWatcher101 well said. There are things the west dismissed when introduced to theories the chinese had established for some time, methinks largely due to racial bs perhaps. I too have been studying martial arts(though mainly external forms of kung fu) and I have also felt the effect of a few strikes that science cant figure out.
WTF was that at 1:10?
I understand the concept/theory here, which is using the attackers energy and deflecting it right back but that was just cool!
When you do an internal art for 80 years or more it is like the intent to tie your shoe. When you want to tie your shoe, you don't think "loop this here, do this, do that" you just do it. Your body knows the way top do it efficiently. Internal martial arts is like that - qi seems mysterious. It isn't magic, just physics. It only takes a couple pounds of pressure properly applied to send an opponent off balance.
@GaolisVideoLog
I guess "gossip" was derived from the fact that people in old days and even in the present use "Baqua" in fortune telling or other forms of divination, thus becoming random talk with no substance to validate. But the "baqua" here seems to indicate that the practitioners have foresight of the oncoming forces and thus dissipate them in a timely manner.
@szhan1022
in my opinion, this is the real stuff. i can understand a lot of what he is saying, and from my training, it seems to be consistent. if you don't believe, look up tony psaila. he moves his body in a similar way, and explains it in a more "western" way. the whole qi thing just gets you thinking in a certain way, and gets your body to move in ways that is hard to do when you're thinking in a more linear manner.
Yi guides the chi, which guides the body... the chi being a low voltage energy network that moves through the ligaments, tendons, and bones, measured and documented by NIH in the 70's and theorized to be part of the immune system, like a negative biofeedback loop, which when broken trigures localized healing.
@TheCarlo58 Why is it everyone assumes I'm a skeptic, just because I have an empirical, scientific attitude, and use words like "research", "faciae", etc?! There's plenty of scientific surveys confirming the existence of chi. Anyone who denying chi is a reality are the un-scientific ones, not us! Read the entire comment thread, and or at least figure out what I'm actually saying, before making wild assumptions!
labeling is a better way to convey our message, at times, qi gong and body mechanics are a bit different though.
what is he doin to them?
@danielsan05 Of course you don't! I'm not a mathematician, so I don't understand maths (beyond the basic level). Study and research is the key to understanding.
Kiai Master vs. MMA
Dillman explains chi KO nullification
search those videos on youtube. They're no different than this.
I dont get it
looks like aikido principe techniq
@CFgroup1 If you can't see the rooted powerful way he uses subtle movement to discharge his partners, then it's possible your Taiji skill may not be intermediate after all.. Still, the fact you're gaining such great health results might suggest otherwise ;)
posture...right?
REAL
I don't see any exagaration here. There's so many factors, like connective tissue strength, intent, sensitivity, whole body power, rooting and so forth, that you can continue to develop into old age, and that more than makes up for loss of mere muscle strength! The trained eye can clearly see the real power here. In fact there's also just no way a "fake" or choreographed demo could look this perfect, with regards to timing!
Umm.. what? What he was saying was absolutely inspirational though.. can't deny that. Right?
This master is very old and probably doesn't bring great power anymore. They show exaggerated reaction to his power out of respect, as is the Chinese custom. The miracle is that he brings his power in such an invisible way. This shows that his bagua tradition has the training methods that will produce the highest level of skill
preaty intense lol im surpirse by how they are been move backwards lol
@Rsuru it,s not himdoing that alone it,s chi gong//ghost kung fu
he ussess hi,s chii and thatss very verry powerful
5 stars