at 09:04, Zhang Jike also explained about the "new ball". While other players, Ma Long, Fan Zhendong, Xu Xin, Timo Boll has adjusted the timing for the new ball, Zhang Jike still have the own perception of the old ball.
Shows how good waldner was as he was using this "new" style or play way back in his day with the smaller ball. Staying up much closer cutting down his opponents reaction time. He invented today's style 20 years ago.
I really hope he makes a comeback, but I don't expect it. At the end of every match he always looks like he's either exhausted oor bored. I don't know if it's those old injuries or if, deep down, he just doesn't care anymore.
People are geting more injure trying to hit harder the ball. we need to train more physical, hit the ball sonner and adapt a style to a counter attack like timo boll. thanks for the analysis, good work
I also thought about this trend, but look at Timo Boll. When i look at his game it looks like he still use spin more then speed as in "good" old times, but his placement and stability are amazing so he doesnt care much about "explosive young hitters". I think Jike was just physically not ready for such level, so no excuses for new ball
My own frustration with the new ball is that the longer the point, the less spin the ball seems to have. That is why so many points tend to end with the ball going in the net, or the ball hitting the edge of someone's racquet because the bounce of the ball becomes lower as the less spinny ball fails to grip and 'kick' off the table. In my opinion, if you are an older player, it is unlikely you are going to beat a younger opponent by making more effective topspin shots. The younger player, by virtue of youth, is likely to be more capable of this. And, with a less spinny ball to hit back, it works to the advantage of someone who is younger to hit the ball faster. I chop more now. Not as a defensive player, but rather in an attempt to slow down the game. So, for me, whenever I see that my opponent and I are going back and forth on topspin shots I'll take a step back and then chop the ball and generate a tremendous amount of backspin at a high velocity to force my opponent to use more spin than speed to return the ball. At this point, I then block or counter at a faster pace.
Think about what would happen if they switched back to celluloid. Tomokazu harimoto would drop down in ranking like crazy. Zhang jike would get up on top again and styles like the one of Kenya matsudaira would show up again.
At my very low level, I struggled to adapt to this "new" ball. Really bad stuff - quality awful, bad durability, high price... Clearly not a progress for our game in no direction! I finally adapt so so, but frankly lost the pleasure I felt before while playing. I moved to a harder bat, and chinese rubber to regain some of the feel I had before and I agree with the adjustement coach mentioned regarding the higher heigth the ball bounces and the fact that to hit it earlier is better. Thanks for this very instructive video. NO PLASHIT BALL any longer!
I noticed the backhand is becoming more important along with the backhand punch which is getting more popular. I came back to table tennis after playing many years with the old 30mm ball. When I came back the ball was 40mm and then a year later, it was 40+. One thing I really noticed the most was the weight of the ball. I have adapted and continue to try and improve my game. I tend to like the longer rallies but don't mind the shorter ones either :)
The change from celluloid to plastic balls happened in 2014. The 2016 change referred to in this video - is it from an older plastic ball to a newer one?
I agree with reasons Number2 and 3 and the most importan I mentioned 2 years ago, Zhang Jike is not prepared mentally!, as he mentioned himself! he has lost himself!what has happened to him I do not know!But I think he should deal with himself!!weather to leave National team! or to make himself mentally and technically strong again!
If this trend is effecting spin oriented players, then why is timo boll not effected? Plus, zhang jike's explosivness should be boosted by the new ball because new ball requires more speed and arm strength. This means that zhang jike just isn't as hungry as he was before. He knows he has achieved it all and has got nothing to prove.
EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach then please explain why he was able to reach the finals of the 2016 Olympics? He had already adjusted to the new ball by 2016. And also the new abs balls perform with the same style as celluloid ball.
This series concept is great! I understand that the ball changed, but come on now, who are we kidding? It changed in 2016.. we are in 2018. Are two years not enough for a driven professional? I don't think Zhang Jike really wanted to extend his legacy like Ma Long. He was content with what he had. Although we can applaud his efforts to come back, I think it's too late. Also, if it were anybody else, CNT would have not allowed them to play. Maybe they have special place for Jike after all. Anyways all the best Jike!
I was a champion when the game was to 21 points, used a 38mm celluloid ball (white), allowed other colors of rubber like green, gold, blue, etc. Who decided to make all these changes just so I wasn't at the top anymore? What!!!...speed glue isn't allowed anymore?? You guys must have really feared me. Time and these game changes have allowed others to get to the top. You guys should be glad I stopped playing 30 years ago. The changes to the game seem to be for changes sake only.
Guerrero Rojas You have hit the nail on the head there in my view, the elegance is gone and brute force has taken its place. Defenders also love the new ball, as it gives them more time to “play” with their pimples. If the ITTF wanted to attract more players, the thought of having to risk injury more often might be a turn of after a shoulder injury. The biggest issue now is it’s not so attractive for prospective spectators, short, hard strokes make for a bullying sport, as everyone is left with no option, elegance gone. Try selling that to a TV channel.
I agree that it has less spin but poly balls are not quicker than celluloid in terms speed. They are noticabely slower for two reasons: 1) less spin = less speed and less kick off the bounce 2) larger size = more air resistance as well. Its just physics.
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at 09:04, Zhang Jike also explained about the "new ball". While other players, Ma Long, Fan Zhendong, Xu Xin, Timo Boll has adjusted the timing for the new ball, Zhang Jike still have the own perception of the old ball.
Shows how good waldner was as he was using this "new" style or play way back in his day with the smaller ball. Staying up much closer cutting down his opponents reaction time. He invented today's style 20 years ago.
I really hope he makes a comeback, but I don't expect it. At the end of every match he always looks like he's either exhausted oor bored. I don't know if it's those old injuries or if, deep down, he just doesn't care anymore.
People are geting more injure trying to hit harder the ball. we need to train more physical, hit the ball sonner and adapt a style to a counter attack like timo boll.
thanks for the analysis, good work
I also thought about this trend, but look at Timo Boll. When i look at his game it looks like he still use spin more then speed as in "good" old times, but his placement and stability are amazing so he doesnt care much about "explosive young hitters". I think Jike was just physically not ready for such level, so no excuses for new ball
great video buddy. KEep going
My own frustration with the new ball is that the longer the point, the less spin the ball seems to have. That is why so many points tend to end with the ball going in the net, or the ball hitting the edge of someone's racquet because the bounce of the ball becomes lower as the less spinny ball fails to grip and 'kick' off the table. In my opinion, if you are an older player, it is unlikely you are going to beat a younger opponent by making more effective topspin shots. The younger player, by virtue of youth, is likely to be more capable of this. And, with a less spinny ball to hit back, it works to the advantage of someone who is younger to hit the ball faster.
I chop more now. Not as a defensive player, but rather in an attempt to slow down the game. So, for me, whenever I see that my opponent and I are going back and forth on topspin shots I'll take a step back and then chop the ball and generate a tremendous amount of backspin at a high velocity to force my opponent to use more spin than speed to return the ball. At this point, I then block or counter at a faster pace.
Think about what would happen if they switched back to celluloid. Tomokazu harimoto would drop down in ranking like crazy. Zhang jike would get up on top again and styles like the one of Kenya matsudaira would show up again.
It was really necessary the picture of Zhang Jike kicking those banners? hahahahaha
Joo Sae-hyuk is the most effected by the new ball. He did an interview and seemed pretty depressed about it.
nice and helpful analysis. waiting for the next video of the series...
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Coach, what do you mean "hit sooner"? So this means that your video about ball timing to hit according to incoming spin and the "in pai" is neglected?
At my very low level, I struggled to adapt to this "new" ball. Really bad stuff - quality awful, bad durability, high price... Clearly not a progress for our game in no direction! I finally adapt so so, but frankly lost the pleasure I felt before while playing. I moved to a harder bat, and chinese rubber to regain some of the feel I had before and I agree with the adjustement coach mentioned regarding the higher heigth the ball bounces and the fact that to hit it earlier is better. Thanks for this very instructive video.
NO PLASHIT BALL any longer!
thank you coach .. permission to download ya
Please don’t blame his girlfriend. MaLong got a new baby, but he still performs at the top level.
because Ma Long is Superman :) Just kidding. But the main reason is Zhang Jike's performance and physical strength is still behind his normal state.
I noticed the backhand is becoming more important along with the backhand punch which is getting more popular. I came back to table tennis after playing many years with the old 30mm ball. When I came back the ball was 40mm and then a year later, it was 40+. One thing I really noticed the most was the weight of the ball. I have adapted and continue to try and improve my game. I tend to like the longer rallies but don't mind the shorter ones either :)
The change from celluloid to plastic balls happened in 2014. The 2016 change referred to in this video - is it from an older plastic ball to a newer one?
good analyzation
I don't think he still wants it enough, K. Bekele had the same problems in track and field.
But didn't he play in 2017 and had a great performance? And in Rio too
so that's why Ma long is dominating so hard. Ma is famous for powershots.
I agree with reasons Number2 and 3 and the most importan I mentioned 2 years ago, Zhang Jike is not prepared mentally!, as he mentioned himself! he has lost himself!what has happened to him I do not know!But I think he should deal with himself!!weather to leave National team! or to make himself mentally and technically strong again!
I agree, I think it's mental more than physical.
speeeeeeeeeen
If this trend is effecting spin oriented players, then why is timo boll not effected? Plus, zhang jike's explosivness should be boosted by the new ball because new ball requires more speed and arm strength. This means that zhang jike just isn't as hungry as he was before. He knows he has achieved it all and has got nothing to prove.
at 09:04. it's Zhang Jike's word
EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach then please explain why he was able to reach the finals of the 2016 Olympics? He had already adjusted to the new ball by 2016. And also the new abs balls perform with the same style as celluloid ball.
wtf, do you even watch timo play? he's not winning the games now by spin.
troll king i guess you've got to watch him
This series concept is great! I understand that the ball changed, but come on now, who are we kidding? It changed in 2016.. we are in 2018. Are two years not enough for a driven professional? I don't think Zhang Jike really wanted to extend his legacy like Ma Long. He was content with what he had. Although we can applaud his efforts to come back, I think it's too late. Also, if it were anybody else, CNT would have not allowed them to play. Maybe they have special place for Jike after all. Anyways all the best Jike!
You should replace Zhang Jike with Mima Ito 😁
I was a champion when the game was to 21 points, used a 38mm celluloid ball (white), allowed other colors of rubber like green, gold, blue, etc. Who decided to make all these changes just so I wasn't at the top anymore? What!!!...speed glue isn't allowed anymore?? You guys must have really feared me. Time and these game changes have allowed others to get to the top. You guys should be glad I stopped playing 30 years ago. The changes to the game seem to be for changes sake only.
What a moron.
i want this nigga to read me a good night story
Bumsen macht die Beine schwach (Rocky II)
The new trend makes table tennis ugly
Guerrero Rojas
You have hit the nail on the head there in my view, the elegance is gone and brute force has taken its place. Defenders also love the new ball, as it gives them more time to “play” with their pimples. If the ITTF wanted to attract more players, the thought of having to risk injury more often might be a turn of after a shoulder injury. The biggest issue now is it’s not so attractive for prospective spectators, short, hard strokes make for a bullying sport, as everyone is left with no option, elegance gone. Try selling that to a TV channel.
First
New ball is FASTER? Really??
yes, faster, heavier and way less spin.
I agree that it has less spin but poly balls are not quicker than celluloid in terms speed. They are noticabely slower for two reasons: 1) less spin = less speed and less kick off the bounce 2) larger size = more air resistance as well. Its just physics.
They're not faster
They have less spin and less speed and are heavier so they spend more time in the air
It has a better bounce though
The new ball is not faster. To win the game with the new ball, which has less spin, player need to hit earlier, FASTER, win with speed.
the new ball sucks
Pretty woman
SHIT TREND, now we can't see Xuxin's spin shows
still made the best spin shows in his last championship.
Of course, but now, less probability for shows