This is what I was waiting for. The end of writer's block; adding something different to what I already had that I didn't think of. I will be subscribing to this for this feature. Thanks for showing us what it can do. Now to create something more of what I have already and create something new.
I am right with you brother! I choose to embrace this rather than hate this ... i have so many little musical ideas that were never finished. Now partnering with AI is what I am doing. It is very inspiring !. and it is good time for the elders.
An extension to this. Take the idea, go to your DAW use your own samples or vsts to rearrange and reord the whole thing in a style u like tweaking here and there. The time saved from establishing the song structure by ai can be spent on actually performing it this way which is the fun part of making music. And ai turns into a real tool than.
Lol imagine saying this and actually thinking you have any amount of creativity. Hilarious to think that you sound inspired when you let a computer do all the writing for you. Hilarious.
This is essentially what I've been experimenting with as a side project. Cutting together my selection of clips from everything I've generated into the composition I want, sometimes extracting stems and using vocals from a different clip or something, adding my own instrumentation if I want something that's not there, etc. I've also started to see what it would be like to recreate a song after I do this, and play or sequence everything myself, giving me more flexibility to completely change drum parts, change lyrics after the fact, and stuff like that. And yes, I am a real musician who can and does create my own music without AI. I like technology, and the whole thing has been fun and satisfying to play around with.
@@effyiew7318 It can be creative, 90% of the generations are bad. But it's possible to be inspired by bad music (or writing). Have you ever listened to something and thought, "I would've done this different and made it better". Using these AI tools is like have a multiple brainstorming partners
This is a phenomenal tool!! If you have ever collaborated with anybody before… and had a huge disagreement behind it that killed the idea or project.. having this tool eliminates that headache. If you have ever had a singer blow a deal because you had to rely on them for the demo and they screwed the entire situation up…. This is a solution to that…. I am floored daily with what I come up with to input into Suno, a chorus concept and boom it does an entire song!! Insane! It’s amazing I embrace it… it’s creatively useful… I love it!!!
A good ( lucky ) song writer hears songs constantly in their head. Therefore should have nothing to worry about. Personally, I think it’s fantastic, you write lyrics for the song you have in your head then hear it played in a myriad of different genres that you wouldn’t even have imagined and they sound great. I’m in heaven.
Great video and I totally agree about how it can help writers block. The next step is to have AI improve their lyrics. They really need a feature where you can ask it to write different rhyme schemes....I really am starting to dread the random lyrics. They always sound like junior high poetry. They need to offer different rhyme schemes or input how many syllables per line so you can have short lines and inner rhymes and other choices. Also provide different styles. I know they cant say write in the style of Bob Dylan or Eminem but at least have some options. Other than that....this is really really good!
Seems creative to use Ai to play off of like this, and you show some good examples, but there are still problems that is very hard to see through. The first is that this can contribute to isolate writers and musicians even more, and we already have a massive mental health problem due to social isolation in home studios. The second problem is when you start feeding original ideas into AI like this, the tech can re-use it to generate ideas for other users. This means that AI is basically a copy machine, that will take your original data and feed it to others, even before you have published your own production. That could lead to issues with the copyright, even if the idea was originally yours, if you hesitate with the finishing process.
I would say it contributes to depression once everyone here realizes they didn't actually write anything and instead let a computer take care of the creativity and skill they don't have.
Haven't used the feature a lot at the moment, but it certainly did an interesting version of one of my own songs. I just haven't got around to creating enough quality inputs to feed into it. Yeah, bring it on!!
@@SantaMonica_BLVD You already can separate the vocals from audio with tools like VocalRemover and run them through RVC model of your choice. It's not very convenient, but it's something you already can do and it gives pretty decent results. I have a couple examples on my channel, so feel free to look around. ( 'w')
Had the same feelings you did. I’m not using to make my songs but exactly this, pry me from the phoney sense of writers block. Curious what they come up with next
this is honestly great for someone like me - i've only been able to make small snippets over a beat. now this gives me so many ideas for song direction. I've struggled with finding someone to help me with this, but now, i basically just have to find a mix/master engineer to help me get the vocal chain right. whenever suno can output a vocal effects chain based on the generated song, it will truly be game changing
I hate all about this. Why? 1. Millions of demos to labels = no attention to real artists who spend a lot of time and even money to get a final version of a track. 2. Losing a job = songwriters, singers, sound designers, ghost producers, producers. 3. To me, as a sound designer and producer who started making music 21 years ago, it’s just a punch in the face that there are some kids who have never spent an hour making music but can get a product in one click. 4. Humans can’t make music in one minute… check again #2. Yes, I HATE THIS!
Ok - this is incredible. I have been dusting off lost/unfinished tracks from years ago. Songs with vocals that maybe end after the first chorus, you name it, and I now have more options that are 10/10 fantastic. What it is creating, I would consider rough demos that will need complete recreation, singing, instruments, etc. - and that's great!!! Sweet mother of god, I'm excited...haha.
Very interesting points! and very brave of you to take the optimistic point of view in all of this😁 really impressive from Suno, building the song as you said. and I noticed the voice, tho AI sounding and too poppy, again like you said, had really good phrasing sometimes landing on the beat sometimes just before which is just a small thing but very humanizing. How does it know to do this?😳
Just like with any new technology some people will like it and some people will hate it. Nuclear energy can be used for good or evil for example. I think it is a good tool for songwriters and producers. I like it.
very nice! i gave it a go myself and from 16 bars of simple guitar chords & drumbeat (and my own lyrics & further editing) came out with 2 versions of a really nice song. You've definitely got the right attitude towards AI, too many people feeling too threatened! It can be a really useful & creative writing partner if that's what you need...
I’m still not sure what to think about generative AI, but it really could become a good composer assistant. At first I was very skeptical, I never even use presets in a VST, let alone have someone write the music for me. But having overcome my obstacle, I think it can help a lot in finding ideas. But one thing is for sure, back in the day the most beautiful music in the world was created only with pencil and paper.
As someone who has struggled with hundreds of 30-second song ideas that seem to never get finished, I appreciate this video so much. I struggle as a songwriter and sometimes go to sleep feeling like a failure because I haven't written "Imagine" yet. This is a tool to get inspired. It's a tool that can make you think about approaching your 30-second thought in a different way, with different vibes, different narratives. I love it. I am scared of it. Someone will probably take advantage of it. But at some point, this video will seem like the "good ol days" of songwriting. 😢
I would argue that this is more of a tastemaker machine than a talent machine. Definitely more like a pop producer than a bunch of session musicians. It's a long way from that.
I started off as angry, I was thinking, If you are a musician and you can't be creative enough then just don't. But you're point of ''it's like having another person in the room'' somewhat convinced me to try it out
I'd definitely watch more videos of you showing some of your project ideas though it and hearing what comes out... maybe throw in some instrumental only tracks, too
I got some really nice results with Suno. Some things sound off, but I am still impressed. Some of the generated songs probably deserve that someone actually record them without mentioned issues
I believe so . What I like the most from that feature is opening so many ideas about vocal lines especially if we`ve already had good foundation of lyrics . And since most of them generated based on same chord structures we can easily doing mix and match the vocal lines if needed.
The people in here screaming that using AI is lazy: I've learned more about song structure and and word rhythm from Suno than I have in my entire lifetime of writing. 🤷♀️ Don't use it for your projects if you don’t like how it comes out. You're actually still at an advantage by being able to compose completely from scratch. In the meantime, leave those of us excited to have something to put their lyrics to alone. Not all of us are surrounded by musicians.
What can also be a bit frustrating is when Suno gives you an amazing idea but then you don't know how to implement that idea. This happened to one of my songs. I sort spliced them together by separating and cleaning up the STEMs, adding them to my mix. Would be cool if Suno had an option to output the stem files, and improve quality overall (artifacts).
I agree 100 percent with you. Yes, this Suno could create a great song with little input. If you feel good about that and want to run around and pretend you created it, that's lying, but your choice. I to have a bunch of ideas and guitar riffs that I want to create a song with. I don't have a band or want one, this is just a hobby for me, so I use suno and udio as assistants, like band members to bounce ideas off. I love the direction ai music is going amd I think it opens the door for many people that don't have an abundance of talent like a Prince or any successful writer. Whats the difference between anyone that sings songs they didn't write or a guitarist that doesnt sing. They used other writers, vocalist, and musicians to put everything together for them. If a guitarist plays his part and uses ai for inspiration to complete the other band members input, what's the difference? If a vocalist creates an instrumental and lyrics with ai amd sings over it, what's the difference. So Luke Bryan singing Chris Stapleton's song should be ridiculed? Ai is coming and yes it can be abused by the lazy, but if we define what lazy ai is in the beginning, we can all move forward and embrace new technology to create more greate music. Imagine of we get to the point where we can request our favorite past artist or band that broke up to create a new album for a time period. For example, artist and estates should seat selling their likeness and voices. I could then ask ai to create a Prince album that would be released right after purple rain, or sign of the times... imagine what it would create? Maybe it would suck, but what if some of the tracks were good or even great. You at least have something. We would need to just split the two credits and define it. Yes it's not Prince, but it's all we can get now, at it might be good, like listening to a good cover of one of his songs... again, use it as a tool and embrace it.dont steal the credit, cause eventually someone might tap you on the should and ask you to do it live or in front of them, or how did you do it? I'm ready to jump off my horse and climb in a car. We got past that argument, we'll get past this one too...
I completely agree with your assessment. I have snippets, blurbs, Half baked ideas every where and very many complete lyrics with no music, vocals or whatever. Now I feel like Bernie Taupin handing off to Elton John. (I will never be a Bernie) Suno truly blew my mind with the audio upload extend thing.
When writing lyrics in Suno Ai, how can we direct the vocal sound by placing periods, commas or other punctuation marks?..When writing lyrics in Suno Ai, how should we use punctuation marks?
This is me all day. Tons of unfinished ideas that never became real songs. It can absolutely be abused and it will. But it can be used as a tool as well. A song that was heavily improved and made complete by a tool like this is always better than something I did all on my own that is doomed to remain unfinished and rot on my hard drive for my whole life.
Popsickle toes was a hit, enough said regarding your first loop.😂 It's like a writing partner, I don't see the harm in that. They need to have separate stems and midi files so you can take what you like and chuck the rest. The bottom line is you still have to get the songs out there to get any return for investment in time and money.
I disagree. Yes, ideas are hard to come by, but that doesn't mean the music business is dead. Heck, this might actually make it come alive again because sometimes even artists have writers block, do they not? I've used suno myself and, though i'm no famous artist, i find it rather enjoyable even if the interface has lost accessability for the visually impaired people a little bit. 5:18
I have had so many lyric pieces and full sets come together as I now flesh out full songs and already have a full album of demos ready to go working on a second and I am exploring so far outside my musical wheel house of country and rock now and cant wait to get these songs into the studio amd fully flesh out from concept a fully story boarded piece. Movie producers story board film shots either on paper or digitally, this is that tool for musicians, AI is not perfect and fixes have to be made in timing and flow but when you hit the sweet spot you know, and you lock the shot in and move to the next. AI should only be used as a demoand real work done by artist. That said country songer Randy Travis lost his voice and from his library of work AI sang his latest release of songs he wrote. AI gives that voice to song writers who write incredible lyrics and this allows them to feel out their stuff as a demo to shop.
You need Harry Styles ore Charlie Puth for your demo, and IT will ne a hit. No need of ai because IT will pile up a billion songs with 3 streams per year
I have a guess too. Probably something like Photshop is doing now that will add to your music whatever you ask it for and if you don’t have an idea it will propose something. Music already sounds very similar in some genres. So if producers rely too heavy on this service it will just sound even more similar. Therefore good times for the individualists who know what they’re doing. Or maybe not and we’ll have even more copycats. In the end you can’t teach people not to be mainstream. It’s a personal decision.
Hi! Thanx for the video, i have a question , maybe you could help me with it. I if i want to record my own vocals with a song which i made with AI (Suno and others). I tried to take out the instrumentals with Ultimate Vocal Remover and other apps but i realised that the quality is not good, there are some gaps and stuff and it doesn't depend on the vocal remover app but the original instrumentals which AI generated.. What would you suggest?
Its helped me in some of my projects as well, as I use Suno mostly as something like Training wheels, while using anvil studio and the like to work on writing songs. As far as lyrics go though, the more you work with the AI, the more you hear "AI-isims" with the word choices it does to the point that they've become a joke in the AI music community.
The extend option doesn't do much good if you already have a piece of your music, it just messes everything up, and the voices don't have good quality.
I agree, AI can be a great tool. As an end unto itself, with entirely Ai created lyrics AND music... well, I don't see the point. But as a tool... Hell yeah.
According to their FAQ, Pro users can use any output created by Suno commercial and retain all the rights. That includes completely re-recording a song that Suno generated. It will definitely be interesting to see if AI-generated music will kind of end up in its own lane compared to real music.
You guys are naive this will replace real artists mark my words , at least as far as billboard is concerned there will always be underground music created by humans but as a label who wants to make money $30 per month to make 5-10 albums vs $300,000 per album per artist which do you think they will choose !?
@@thedaytonapodcast I disagree. People fall in love with the artists for the music first and then for the person second. Look at how obsessed people are with the life of Taylor Swift. It's what brings her songs to life and gets people so invested in them. People want someone to admire. Songs are just a flash in the pan. Even the best song ever created would slowly fade away into obscurity if there's nobody behind it.
@@thedaytonapodcast I can say this with 100% confidence after trying this out on my older unfinished tracks - at a minimum, this removed any need for a producer. And not the 'I make beats' producer, but the producer that will work with artists and guide them towards a hit track. I could take ten unfinished tracks (synth-based, vocals, guitar, drums - with a solid first verse and/or chorus melody) and recreate the extended ideas I'm getting from a handful of rolls from Suno and have a solid album from top to bottom. I've spent maybe 10 hours trying old material out since watching this video, and my noggin is blown. I'm not discouraged; I'm inspired. I also have realistic expectations that if I did release anything, my audience would be next to none - and that's ok, too.
@@LuxElliott I am with you, I have a few hundred “ideas” on my mac or my iphone stuff that I write-record because I would never remember it the next day. And trying to co-write with another musician or producer is not worth the hassle. Now we have a giant engine to at least show what’s possible! but my question remains can we copyright the track, the US copyright office rejects any artwork (music or lyrics) generated by AI in any form. Which means how would AI produced music become popular AND protected legally?
i am a lyricist and if the writer's block is removed then how i can make beautiful songs ? sir i request you to tell team suno that please do not remove the writer's block.
A better thing to do is ask chat GPT for help writing a song, it will give you a bunch of suggestions for composition. and that way it's more still your own music.. i could never give suno my audio , they probably gonna use all of this for their database.
Any tool that allows that stream of creativity to vent or assists you in the route of that flow of artistic expression should be freely allowed and not get so much flack from peers in the industry. Don't understand the purist crowd claimin' if you're not making stuff on analog gear then it doesn't count (or other b/s) but creation should be the focus not how it was made. I mean drum machines have been around for quite some time now but when they first came on the scene lot of hate for them also. Guess same could be said for synths & DAWS instead of pianos or actual gigantic mixing boards (hello Akai MG1212 omg). Everytime something "new" comes along the folks that were stuck on the previous method/gadget always seem to make the most noise.
Like anything else, people with a greed mindset will mine this for every penny with no qualms about about how it will affect the ecosystem. I'm with you in that I like the idea of having tools to help me move fwd but... I guess we can look forward to a hobbyist/performer market because the producer market is going to get it's handed to it at this rate 😅
I don't think it helps with writers block, it writes the entire song for you. That is bad, eliminates writers creativity, thus anyone can write now. Thus eliminating songwriters.
Yeah its scrazy how it takes the song apart, and then adds more using those instruments. But this is the end of music as we know it. Anyone is a talented artist now, and a year ago you couldnt do anything like this, in a year its a wrap
I would argue that the kinds of music that this thing cranks out haven't been recorded by terribly 'talented' musicians for quite some time. Tasteful maybe. Talented not really.
Imagine using this and thinking you're actually creating. I never realized how many uncreative, untalented, and pathetic people were calling themselves "writers" but it also explains why they're using this and they're not successful. Because if they had what it takes, they would have done it without this.
I disagree heavily, at least for the genres I use it for, Post-Hardcore, Pop-Punk, Midwest Emo, Math Rock, etc. Suno is way better than Udio, it’s not even a comparison. Udio never makes anything that actually sounds unique or interesting. Just generic boring shit and the audio quality is worse than Suno also.
yeah . But AI music isn't that interesting if it just create the same boring pop stuff as People can create in heartbeat. Often Suno sounds like Suno. Same with udio. You can often hear it. Im not saying it's bad, but the thing we don't not more of is boring music. I've several hits with sunos first version. But it's AI music so it doesn't other than it's interesting. This is not creative.
I wonder if my recordings of me humming a beat idea(melody idea)..could it generate a stable sample that I can usem If so, this would be groundbreaking! I could just make the drums at that point
Ive had a play around with this today. What it generates is far from complete. But 100% creatively useful. Direct copied sound extremely flat. Im not convinsed direct copies will do well. Having heard loads today, they all sound the same.
Up until now, it took people with talent, study, and mastery of the craft to deliver excellent musical content. This is an intriguing tool, but at what expense? This will probably eliminate most of the earning potential for most in the music industry. It seems a.i. will refine and continue to streamline music creation, marketing, delivery, AND ultimately music ownership. Music, video content, 3d content, virtual artists, concerts, and events, for screen and things like Apple Vision, all a.i. generated, never a human needed. Soon the a.i. will be making the most insane personal content all on its own. No prompts needed. Wide open future, just not for you.
They just want to harvest your idee and visions, ask suno or udio if they can garanti that they are not generating copyright material and give it to you, The big compnys are gonna Sue everyone, at the moment, they are suing, suno and udio. Dont give them your Great idees, they want it to train their ai, its called data scraping. Your idees is worth alot, if you can prove you made it.
While this "solves" writer's block in the short term, I don't think it will actually help solve the core issue behind a lot of people's writers block. So-- cool and neat feature, but I foresee the problems of tons of formulaic music flooding the market as worse than the small benefit of quick fixes to one's creative problems.
Have you ever heard someone take a cool idea somewhere and thought “I would’ve taken it somewhere completely different”? That’s kinda what this does for me. It gives me the obvious path and makes me wanna do something more interesting. My hope is this is how most people will use it, but I fear you might be right that some people will just be lazy with it.
@@soundlearn Oh yes, I've definitely had that happen, but a human collaboration has more advantages than just what you mentioned. I think people like you will definitely use this as a tool in a process, but lots of people will end up making 4 bar loops and then having AI finish it, to then claim they wrote the song. I'm actually not against AI in the workflow (beat maps / arpeggiators are useful tech too), but I am aware that Tech generally has unintended consequences. For example, our hyper connectivity has ironically led to a rise in social anxiety 🤔 similarly, I think AI "assisting" in creative ruts will lead to reliance on the tech rather than addressing what puts one in the creative rut in the first place.
The generative AIs are mostly trained on existing music without permission. Stem splitting will mean it becomes easier to detect where that source is - which will put the services at even more liability then current. What people tend to ignore in all their AI celebration is that AIs are as good at listening as they are at generating. It’s naive and flawed to think these services just come for free and there is no liability. I also don’t get why people are promoting such services - when it essentially means burning down an industry and giving all the money to a few tech bros. Why not do it the right way - license material - like everyone else has to and benefit the industry as a whole?
It's a very valid point. My next video will address the larger issue with AI in general. It's a very complex thing that is here to stay for better or worse.
Most people never get a chance to get in the "industry" no matter how good they are, I've been writing lyrics and rapping since I was 15 now I'm forty. Finally getting to hear my music produced on a beat is amazing and now I don't have to know the right people or do the right favors to make my music. I spend hours recycling a song until I get the right beat for it on suno it doesn't just come out the way I like it the first time, so am I not still producing it along with AI at that point? Plus I'm using all my lyrics, the only thing they need to do is let me record my voice singing or rapping the song and then throw a beat around it, but now after all these years I can finally make music and my lyrics are just as good if not better than what's out today. AI is just cutting out the middle man and putting the cult out of power I love it!
I’m not sure about this to be honest. I have a ton of old demos and half written songs that were abandoned - for a reason! They were never meant to get any further. I didn’t have the right emotional connection to make a song from it. Don’t get me wrong, I like the sound of your song but now I know it was written by a machine the emotional connection is gone. I’m not sure how I feel about it! Just being honest!
This is what I was waiting for. The end of writer's block; adding something different to what I already had that I didn't think of. I will be subscribing to this for this feature. Thanks for showing us what it can do. Now to create something more of what I have already and create something new.
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I am right with you brother! I choose to embrace this rather than hate this ... i have so many little musical ideas that were never finished. Now partnering with AI is what I am doing. It is very inspiring !. and it is good time for the elders.
An extension to this. Take the idea, go to your DAW use your own samples or vsts to rearrange and reord the whole thing in a style u like tweaking here and there. The time saved from establishing the song structure by ai can be spent on actually performing it this way which is the fun part of making music. And ai turns into a real tool than.
Logic Pro just split a SUNO song’s stems into separate tracks with one click. Super useful.
Lol imagine saying this and actually thinking you have any amount of creativity. Hilarious to think that you sound inspired when you let a computer do all the writing for you. Hilarious.
This is essentially what I've been experimenting with as a side project. Cutting together my selection of clips from everything I've generated into the composition I want, sometimes extracting stems and using vocals from a different clip or something, adding my own instrumentation if I want something that's not there, etc. I've also started to see what it would be like to recreate a song after I do this, and play or sequence everything myself, giving me more flexibility to completely change drum parts, change lyrics after the fact, and stuff like that. And yes, I am a real musician who can and does create my own music without AI. I like technology, and the whole thing has been fun and satisfying to play around with.
@@effyiew7318 If you had real arguments you wouldn't need to put people down like this. Get the fuck outta here.
@@effyiew7318 It can be creative, 90% of the generations are bad. But it's possible to be inspired by bad music (or writing). Have you ever listened to something and thought, "I would've done this different and made it better". Using these AI tools is like have a multiple brainstorming partners
Love this video and love your outlook that it can be a great tool if you use it purely as a tool.
This is a phenomenal tool!! If you have ever collaborated with anybody before… and had a huge disagreement behind it that killed the idea or project.. having this tool eliminates that headache. If you have ever had a singer blow a deal because you had to rely on them for the demo and they screwed the entire situation up…. This is a solution to that…. I am floored daily with what I come up with to input into Suno, a chorus concept and boom it does an entire song!! Insane! It’s amazing I embrace it… it’s creatively useful… I love it!!!
I took 15 years of lyrics and have produced 16 full albums thus far! Amazing!
A good ( lucky ) song writer hears songs constantly in their head. Therefore should have nothing to worry about. Personally, I think it’s fantastic, you write lyrics for the song you have in your head then hear it played in a myriad of different genres that you wouldn’t even have imagined and they sound great. I’m in heaven.
You are exactly right. I have so much littler Ideas where I am stocked! Having a virtual Studiopartner, a second opinion is great.
To each, his own.
Great video and I totally agree about how it can help writers block. The next step is to have AI improve their lyrics. They really need a feature where you can ask it to write different rhyme schemes....I really am starting to dread the random lyrics. They always sound like junior high poetry. They need to offer different rhyme schemes or input how many syllables per line so you can have short lines and inner rhymes and other choices. Also provide different styles. I know they cant say write in the style of Bob Dylan or Eminem but at least have some options. Other than that....this is really really good!
This is like a producer in the 60s having The Wrecking Crew in your own studio. A great tool.
Love the rhythm! Hope you finish it so I can buy it in I tunes 😊
Seems creative to use Ai to play off of like this, and you show some good examples, but there are still problems that is very hard to see through. The first is that this can contribute to isolate writers and musicians even more, and we already have a massive mental health problem due to social isolation in home studios. The second problem is when you start feeding original ideas into AI like this, the tech can re-use it to generate ideas for other users. This means that AI is basically a copy machine, that will take your original data and feed it to others, even before you have published your own production. That could lead to issues with the copyright, even if the idea was originally yours, if you hesitate with the finishing process.
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I would say it contributes to depression once everyone here realizes they didn't actually write anything and instead let a computer take care of the creativity and skill they don't have.
Haven't used the feature a lot at the moment, but it certainly did an interesting version of one of my own songs. I just haven't got around to creating enough quality inputs to feed into it. Yeah, bring it on!!
Now all we need are clean stems!! And bonus to the first company that provides AI mixing online - like Ozone!!
I'm hoping they add stems and also custom ai voice models would be cool
@@SantaMonica_BLVD You already can separate the vocals from audio with tools like VocalRemover and run them through RVC model of your choice. It's not very convenient, but it's something you already can do and it gives pretty decent results. I have a couple examples on my channel, so feel free to look around. ( 'w')
Had the same feelings you did. I’m not using to make my songs but exactly this, pry me from the phoney sense of writers block.
Curious what they come up with next
this is honestly great for someone like me - i've only been able to make small snippets over a beat. now this gives me so many ideas for song direction.
I've struggled with finding someone to help me with this, but now, i basically just have to find a mix/master engineer to help me get the vocal chain right.
whenever suno can output a vocal effects chain based on the generated song, it will truly be game changing
I love your fair-minded assessment.
Sounds promising.
Just keep us posted if your computer turns to the dark side.
Yes! You nailed it. I'm not screaming, I'm with you on all your points.
Vary well explained, soon it would get pro level
Yeah this is pretty crazy and the possibilities are endless.
I hate all about this. Why?
1. Millions of demos to labels = no attention to real artists who spend a lot of time and even money to get a final version of a track.
2. Losing a job = songwriters, singers, sound designers, ghost producers, producers.
3. To me, as a sound designer and producer who started making music 21 years ago, it’s just a punch in the face that there are some kids who have never spent an hour making music but can get a product in one click.
4. Humans can’t make music in one minute… check again #2.
Yes, I HATE THIS!
Yes, it allows you to find a quick arrangement. But it's YOUR lyrics that matter most.
Cool Video! For me its a lovehate relationship. As an artist I hate it but as a creative person I love it....Happy colored greetinx
I can totally relate. To deny that it’s fun to play with would be lying, but there is a part of me that feels dirty when messing with AI, haha.
Ok - this is incredible. I have been dusting off lost/unfinished tracks from years ago. Songs with vocals that maybe end after the first chorus, you name it, and I now have more options that are 10/10 fantastic. What it is creating, I would consider rough demos that will need complete recreation, singing, instruments, etc. - and that's great!!! Sweet mother of god, I'm excited...haha.
I agree with what you say! I also with the Audio Input! Suno AI makes me Happy everyday with what they Create for me! I Love Suno ❤
Very interesting points! and very brave of you to take the optimistic point of view in all of this😁
really impressive from Suno, building the song as you said. and I noticed the voice, tho AI sounding and too poppy, again like you said, had really good phrasing sometimes landing on the beat sometimes just before which is just a small thing but very humanizing.
How does it know to do this?😳
Just like with any new technology some people will like it and some people will hate it. Nuclear energy can be used for good or evil for example. I think it is a good tool for songwriters and producers. I like it.
very nice! i gave it a go myself and from 16 bars of simple guitar chords & drumbeat (and my own lyrics & further editing) came out with 2 versions of a really nice song. You've definitely got the right attitude towards AI, too many people feeling too threatened! It can be a really useful & creative writing partner if that's what you need...
I’m still not sure what to think about generative AI, but it really could become a good composer assistant. At first I was very skeptical, I never even use presets in a VST, let alone have someone write the music for me. But having overcome my obstacle, I think it can help a lot in finding ideas.
But one thing is for sure, back in the day the most beautiful music in the world was created only with pencil and paper.
Makes you wonder if there were people complaining that "it wasn't real music" if you had to write it down to remember it.
if anybodyt thinks this is cheating then they simply dont understand how music works and how collaboration works
Thanks!
What is it that you understand about music that others don't?
@@MycketTuff the way music works
Suno still has a lot to learn, you can't just add a drum, or any instrument without destroying the music.
As someone who has struggled with hundreds of 30-second song ideas that seem to never get finished, I appreciate this video so much.
I struggle as a songwriter and sometimes go to sleep feeling like a failure because I haven't written "Imagine" yet.
This is a tool to get inspired. It's a tool that can make you think about approaching your 30-second thought in a different way, with different vibes, different narratives.
I love it. I am scared of it. Someone will probably take advantage of it.
But at some point, this video will seem like the "good ol days" of songwriting. 😢
Suno ai is like a text book for students of learning and easy way out for music lovers
No it’s plagiarism machine
Students learn and give back, when you go through school, you learn, you gain and one way or the other give back
I would argue that this is more of a tastemaker machine than a talent machine. Definitely more like a pop producer than a bunch of session musicians. It's a long way from that.
Also worth noting that customers are paying to help train and extend the companies ai models. OG level smart
Suno is making changes and new updates rapidly, I don't think I can keep up. Great video, lovely voice.
Isn’t that because people keep on feeding it information uploading their songs. They practically train it to become better?
I started off as angry, I was thinking, If you are a musician and you can't be creative enough then just don't. But you're point of ''it's like having another person in the room'' somewhat convinced me to try it out
I'd definitely watch more videos of you showing some of your project ideas though it and hearing what comes out... maybe throw in some instrumental only tracks, too
I got some really nice results with Suno. Some things sound off, but I am still impressed. Some of the generated songs probably deserve that someone actually record them without mentioned issues
have you tried udio's version yet?
I believe so . What I like the most from that feature is opening so many ideas about vocal lines especially if we`ve already had good foundation of lyrics . And since most of them generated based on same chord structures we can easily doing mix and match the vocal lines if needed.
If you can't copyright the music you create or the info you enter how will musicians support themselves?
I hope they add a feature where you can generate songs feat your own voice models
Suno DAW? Perhaps one day? I still want more editing.
Every week I’m blown away more and more!
The people in here screaming that using AI is lazy: I've learned more about song structure and and word rhythm from Suno than I have in my entire lifetime of writing. 🤷♀️ Don't use it for your projects if you don’t like how it comes out. You're actually still at an advantage by being able to compose completely from scratch. In the meantime, leave those of us excited to have something to put their lyrics to alone. Not all of us are surrounded by musicians.
What can also be a bit frustrating is when Suno gives you an amazing idea but then you don't know how to implement that idea. This happened to one of my songs. I sort spliced them together by separating and cleaning up the STEMs, adding them to my mix. Would be cool if Suno had an option to output the stem files, and improve quality overall (artifacts).
This will be such a creative boost.
I agree 100 percent with you. Yes, this Suno could create a great song with little input. If you feel good about that and want to run around and pretend you created it, that's lying, but your choice. I to have a bunch of ideas and guitar riffs that I want to create a song with. I don't have a band or want one, this is just a hobby for me, so I use suno and udio as assistants, like band members to bounce ideas off. I love the direction ai music is going amd I think it opens the door for many people that don't have an abundance of talent like a Prince or any successful writer. Whats the difference between anyone that sings songs they didn't write or a guitarist that doesnt sing. They used other writers, vocalist, and musicians to put everything together for them. If a guitarist plays his part and uses ai for inspiration to complete the other band members input, what's the difference? If a vocalist creates an instrumental and lyrics with ai amd sings over it, what's the difference. So Luke Bryan singing Chris Stapleton's song should be ridiculed? Ai is coming and yes it can be abused by the lazy, but if we define what lazy ai is in the beginning, we can all move forward and embrace new technology to create more greate music. Imagine of we get to the point where we can request our favorite past artist or band that broke up to create a new album for a time period. For example, artist and estates should seat selling their likeness and voices. I could then ask ai to create a Prince album that would be released right after purple rain, or sign of the times... imagine what it would create? Maybe it would suck, but what if some of the tracks were good or even great. You at least have something. We would need to just split the two credits and define it. Yes it's not Prince, but it's all we can get now, at it might be good, like listening to a good cover of one of his songs... again, use it as a tool and embrace it.dont steal the credit, cause eventually someone might tap you on the should and ask you to do it live or in front of them, or how did you do it? I'm ready to jump off my horse and climb in a car. We got past that argument, we'll get past this one too...
I think you nailed it, some will copy but I do see it as a challenge and sometimes a melody is the hardest part so yeah
I completely agree with your assessment. I have snippets, blurbs, Half baked ideas every where and very many complete lyrics with no music, vocals or whatever. Now I feel like Bernie Taupin handing off to Elton John. (I will never be a Bernie)
Suno truly blew my mind with the audio upload extend thing.
But now I'm curious if there is also a button with which you can record audio, what is this for?
When writing lyrics in Suno Ai, how can we direct the vocal sound by placing periods, commas or other punctuation marks?..When writing lyrics in Suno Ai, how should we use punctuation marks?
this is a game changer!! no writers block anymore..😀
That's actually really impressive.
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Just used it...insanity. Yep, it will help you sound out your song ideas....and force you also to cut ideas away to find the songs essence.
this is genius
This is me all day. Tons of unfinished ideas that never became real songs. It can absolutely be abused and it will. But it can be used as a tool as well. A song that was heavily improved and made complete by a tool like this is always better than something I did all on my own that is doomed to remain unfinished and rot on my hard drive for my whole life.
You should let us hear the full song before commenting.
AI is dope :)
Popsickle toes was a hit, enough said regarding your first loop.😂 It's like a writing partner, I don't see the harm in that. They need to have separate stems and midi files so you can take what you like and chuck the rest. The bottom line is you still have to get the songs out there to get any return for investment in time and money.
I disagree. Yes, ideas are hard to come by, but that doesn't mean the music business is dead. Heck, this might actually make it come alive again because sometimes even artists have writers block, do they not? I've used suno myself and, though i'm no famous artist, i find it rather enjoyable even if the interface has lost accessability for the visually impaired people a little bit. 5:18
I have had so many lyric pieces and full sets come together as I now flesh out full songs and already have a full album of demos ready to go working on a second and I am exploring so far outside my musical wheel house of country and rock now and cant wait to get these songs into the studio amd fully flesh out from concept a fully story boarded piece.
Movie producers story board film shots either on paper or digitally, this is that tool for musicians, AI is not perfect and fixes have to be made in timing and flow but when you hit the sweet spot you know, and you lock the shot in and move to the next.
AI should only be used as a demoand real work done by artist. That said country songer Randy Travis lost his voice and from his library of work AI sang his latest release of songs he wrote.
AI gives that voice to song writers who write incredible lyrics and this allows them to feel out their stuff as a demo to shop.
Good on you man! (In the end, it's just another tool)
You need Harry Styles ore Charlie Puth for your demo, and IT will ne a hit. No need of ai because IT will pile up a billion songs with 3 streams per year
I have a guess too. Probably something like Photshop is doing now that will add to your music whatever you ask it for and if you don’t have an idea it will propose something.
Music already sounds very similar in some genres. So if producers rely too heavy on this service it will just sound even more similar. Therefore good times for the individualists who know what they’re doing. Or maybe not and we’ll have even more copycats. In the end you can’t teach people not to be mainstream. It’s a personal decision.
Hi! Thanx for the video, i have a question , maybe you could help me with it. I if i want to record my own vocals with a song which i made with AI (Suno and others). I tried to take out the instrumentals with Ultimate Vocal Remover and other apps but i realised that the quality is not good, there are some gaps and stuff and it doesn't depend on the vocal remover app but the original instrumentals which AI generated.. What would you suggest?
Its helped me in some of my projects as well, as I use Suno mostly as something like Training wheels, while using anvil studio and the like to work on writing songs. As far as lyrics go though, the more you work with the AI, the more you hear "AI-isims" with the word choices it does to the point that they've become a joke in the AI music community.
The extend option doesn't do much good if you already have a piece of your music, it just messes everything up, and the voices don't have good quality.
its ''transitions'' heaven lol
I agree, AI can be a great tool. As an end unto itself, with entirely Ai created lyrics AND music... well, I don't see the point. But as a tool... Hell yeah.
can a person copyright the output is the question. I think we need AI Music Charts
According to their FAQ, Pro users can use any output created by Suno commercial and retain all the rights. That includes completely re-recording a song that Suno generated. It will definitely be interesting to see if AI-generated music will kind of end up in its own lane compared to real music.
You guys are naive this will replace real artists mark my words , at least as far as billboard is concerned there will always be underground music created by humans but as a label who wants to make money $30 per month to make 5-10 albums vs $300,000 per album per artist which do you think they will choose !?
@@thedaytonapodcast I disagree. People fall in love with the artists for the music first and then for the person second. Look at how obsessed people are with the life of Taylor Swift. It's what brings her songs to life and gets people so invested in them. People want someone to admire. Songs are just a flash in the pan. Even the best song ever created would slowly fade away into obscurity if there's nobody behind it.
@@thedaytonapodcast I can say this with 100% confidence after trying this out on my older unfinished tracks - at a minimum, this removed any need for a producer. And not the 'I make beats' producer, but the producer that will work with artists and guide them towards a hit track. I could take ten unfinished tracks (synth-based, vocals, guitar, drums - with a solid first verse and/or chorus melody) and recreate the extended ideas I'm getting from a handful of rolls from Suno and have a solid album from top to bottom. I've spent maybe 10 hours trying old material out since watching this video, and my noggin is blown. I'm not discouraged; I'm inspired. I also have realistic expectations that if I did release anything, my audience would be next to none - and that's ok, too.
@@LuxElliott I am with you, I have a few hundred “ideas” on my mac or my iphone stuff that I write-record because I would never remember it the next day. And trying to co-write with another musician or producer is not worth the hassle. Now we have a giant engine to at least show what’s possible! but my question remains can we copyright the track, the US copyright office rejects any artwork (music or lyrics) generated by AI in any form. Which means how would AI produced music become popular AND protected legally?
Great video, lots of interesting insights
i am a lyricist and if the writer's block is removed then how i can make beautiful songs ? sir i request you to tell team suno that please do not remove the writer's block.
A better thing to do is ask chat GPT for help writing a song, it will give you a bunch of suggestions for composition. and that way it's more still your own music.. i could never give suno my audio , they probably gonna use all of this for their database.
Any tool that allows that stream of creativity to vent or assists you in the route of that flow of artistic expression should be freely allowed and not get so much flack from peers in the industry. Don't understand the purist crowd claimin' if you're not making stuff on analog gear then it doesn't count (or other b/s) but creation should be the focus not how it was made. I mean drum machines have been around for quite some time now but when they first came on the scene lot of hate for them also. Guess same could be said for synths & DAWS instead of pianos or actual gigantic mixing boards (hello Akai MG1212 omg). Everytime something "new" comes along the folks that were stuck on the previous method/gadget always seem to make the most noise.
Like anything else, people with a greed mindset will mine this for every penny with no qualms about about how it will affect the ecosystem.
I'm with you in that I like the idea of having tools to help me move fwd but...
I guess we can look forward to a hobbyist/performer market because the producer market is going to get it's handed to it at this rate 😅
I don't think it helps with writers block, it writes the entire song for you. That is bad, eliminates writers creativity, thus anyone can write now. Thus eliminating songwriters.
Good writing trumps generic lyric generation
Yeah its scrazy how it takes the song apart, and then adds more using those instruments. But this is the end of music as we know it. Anyone is a talented artist now, and a year ago you couldnt do anything like this, in a year its a wrap
I would argue that the kinds of music that this thing cranks out haven't been recorded by terribly 'talented' musicians for quite some time. Tasteful maybe. Talented not really.
All True Bro!
The song sounds a bit like "allaska". form Maggie Rogers
Imagine using this and thinking you're actually creating. I never realized how many uncreative, untalented, and pathetic people were calling themselves "writers" but it also explains why they're using this and they're not successful. Because if they had what it takes, they would have done it without this.
That isFire!
Next all Daws will have this AI as a update believe me, or they all go down.
btw: Sunos quality is bad, udios is much better. ;)
I'll have to check out Udio! I've heard others say the same, I just never got a chance to check it out.
I disagree heavily, at least for the genres I use it for, Post-Hardcore, Pop-Punk, Midwest Emo, Math Rock, etc. Suno is way better than Udio, it’s not even a comparison. Udio never makes anything that actually sounds unique or interesting. Just generic boring shit and the audio quality is worse than Suno also.
yeah . But AI music isn't that interesting if it just create the same boring pop stuff as People can create in heartbeat. Often Suno sounds like Suno. Same with udio. You can often hear it. Im not saying it's bad, but the thing we don't not more of is boring music.
I've several hits with sunos first version. But it's AI music so it doesn't other than it's interesting.
This is not creative.
I wonder if my recordings of me humming a beat idea(melody idea)..could it generate a stable sample that I can usem If so, this would be groundbreaking! I could just make the drums at that point
Ive had a play around with this today.
What it generates is far from complete. But 100% creatively useful. Direct copied sound extremely flat. Im not convinsed direct copies will do well. Having heard loads today, they all sound the same.
Can you ask him when we are getting V4? been playing with V3.5 for a month now and it's wicked cool! I just HATE the sound of the vocals!
Now that you posted it, what if somebody takes your song and turn it into a another song?
How does the copyright work then?
A hit song !
Up until now, it took people with talent, study, and mastery of the craft to deliver excellent musical content. This is an intriguing tool, but at what expense? This will probably eliminate most of the earning potential for most in the music industry. It seems a.i. will refine and continue to streamline music creation, marketing, delivery, AND ultimately music ownership. Music, video content, 3d content, virtual artists, concerts, and events, for screen and things like Apple Vision, all a.i. generated, never a human needed. Soon the a.i. will be making the most insane personal content all on its own. No prompts needed. Wide open future, just not for you.
Before you start feeding Suno with your music, mind that it will use your song for training and you will loose whatever originality you got going on..
To put in your own material into ai, sounds very dumb ,since you cant claim copyrights on ai generated material , and remember its all recorded.
You can take what it generates, and recreate it yourself boom problem solved. Also it’s not like they’re going to claim copyright on it when you do.
@@DAIVONIZZLE no ai recorded you spinn
They just want to harvest your idee and visions, ask suno or udio if they can garanti that they are not generating copyright material and give it to you, The big compnys are gonna Sue everyone, at the moment, they are suing, suno and udio. Dont give them your Great idees, they want it to train their ai, its called data scraping. Your idees is worth alot, if you can prove you made it.
Please let me know if it's okay to do a remix version of your song!
Go for it!
What do you use to record it?
I create my music in Pro Tools
While this "solves" writer's block in the short term, I don't think it will actually help solve the core issue behind a lot of people's writers block. So-- cool and neat feature, but I foresee the problems of tons of formulaic music flooding the market as worse than the small benefit of quick fixes to one's creative problems.
Have you ever heard someone take a cool idea somewhere and thought “I would’ve taken it somewhere completely different”?
That’s kinda what this does for me. It gives me the obvious path and makes me wanna do something more interesting. My hope is this is how most people will use it, but I fear you might be right that some people will just be lazy with it.
@@soundlearn Oh yes, I've definitely had that happen, but a human collaboration has more advantages than just what you mentioned. I think people like you will definitely use this as a tool in a process, but lots of people will end up making 4 bar loops and then having AI finish it, to then claim they wrote the song.
I'm actually not against AI in the workflow (beat maps / arpeggiators are useful tech too), but I am aware that Tech generally has unintended consequences. For example, our hyper connectivity has ironically led to a rise in social anxiety 🤔 similarly, I think AI "assisting" in creative ruts will lead to reliance on the tech rather than addressing what puts one in the creative rut in the first place.
The generative AIs are mostly trained on existing music without permission. Stem splitting will mean it becomes easier to detect where that source is - which will put the services at even more liability then current. What people tend to ignore in all their AI celebration is that AIs are as good at listening as they are at generating. It’s naive and flawed to think these services just come for free and there is no liability. I also don’t get why people are promoting such services - when it essentially means burning down an industry and giving all the money to a few tech bros. Why not do it the right way - license material - like everyone else has to and benefit the industry as a whole?
It's a very valid point. My next video will address the larger issue with AI in general. It's a very complex thing that is here to stay for better or worse.
Most people never get a chance to get in the "industry" no matter how good they are, I've been writing lyrics and rapping since I was 15 now I'm forty.
Finally getting to hear my music produced on a beat is amazing and now I don't have to know the right people or do the right favors to make my music. I spend hours recycling a song until I get the right beat for it on suno it doesn't just come out the way I like it the first time, so am I not still producing it along with AI at that point? Plus I'm using all my lyrics, the only thing they need to do is let me record my voice singing or rapping the song and then throw a beat around it, but now after all these years I can finally make music and my lyrics are just as good if not better than what's out today. AI is just cutting out the middle man and putting the cult out of power I love it!
Thanks for sharing your POV! Not everyone has the budget or time to learn production, pay for studio time or buy a bunch of expensive gear.
Can I get Suno to use my original melody ? ... uploaded audio with melody excerpt but Suno seems to ignore it
Make sure you start the extended part after your melody. It doesn’t always work but I’ve had better success that way.
@@soundlearn thank you so much
I don't think it helps with writers block. What it does, is write the song for you.
I’m not sure about this to be honest. I have a ton of old demos and half written songs that were abandoned - for a reason! They were never meant to get any further. I didn’t have the right emotional connection to make a song from it. Don’t get me wrong, I like the sound of your song but now I know it was written by a machine the emotional connection is gone. I’m not sure how I feel about it! Just being honest!