Forging a sword - part one: the basic shape
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- Hammering hot metal into shape is quite a satisfying task, when it goes well. Here you see me shaping out my sword.
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I was invited by the Cut and Thrust Collective to go to Glastonbury and make my own sword. In an earlier video, you saw my training (forging a nail), and immediately after that we started on the sword. Thom Leworthy was the bladesmith showing me how it is done.
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Name the sword Adequate
Lol
It should be a set, with the Sufficient Seax and the Shield of Mediocrity.
And the lady of the bog did lift the sword from the quagmire, and Lindy hopped over to wield it. He admired that it would indeed suit his needs adequately, and thusly it was named.
*John Brewington* Maybe even a helmet?
The Helm of Mildly Effecient Protection.
No no. He should name it, "French Stuffer"
A couterfeit weapon! Looked forged to me.
Blank Steve Okay no. That was good.
Nice
Oh no why... WHY!!!
Blank Steve You wouldn't download a sword. Piracy is steeling.
Actually, there were counterfeith brand swords in the Viking Age. Ulfberhts weren’t always genuine.
"It's good enough" The battle cry of the British for centuries.
lol very true or "that'll do"
"That'll do, chaps!" followed by a "It's ten to five, Sirrr!" followed by a "Oh, my, it is. Carry on!" finally followed by a "Tea time, chaps!"
It didn't prevent them from having the biggest empire in human history.
Minute Man their "good enough" is above others "wont even bother with it"
Minute man: The way most empires behave (not all of them, but the British empire IS included), it would almost make more sense to say "inhuman history" . . .
This is so cute. Lloyd looks like a kid in build a bear
Hard core build a bear
You can tell which one of these guys has spent years swinging a hammer, and which one hasn't!! Still, nice job Lloyd, you have to start somewhere.
It's like the most common mistake of new smiths. I'm pretty sure I did it too. Everyone has this instinct to choke up on the handle bend over so their face is right up against the anvil, and give these dainty little blows where the hammer only rises like 18''. Stand mostly straight, raise your arm high, but still bent, and send it back down. Anything else and you're just letting your metal get too cold to hit.
it would have been odd if there was no difference.
it's like experience is a real thing
If a person holds a hammer handle close to the hammer head s/he is demonstrating that s/he is a beginner. For all Lloyd's talk about weapons, he's a bit girly when it comes to manly work.
For me the telling point is how he uses the wrist to give strenght to the blow instead of letting the shoulders and chest do the work. Still, he's better than I was! Love!
This guy is possibly the coolest smith ever. I'd like to see more videos with him and Lloyd making authenti-swords.
...and those sexy arms.
I dunno, there are some seriously badass smiths out there. I'd call this one slightly above average. And I'd be really hard-pressed to pick who I felt to be the coolest.
Well he is a real swordsman (from HEMA training) and not just a blacksmith, I can attest to that.
That's certainly commendable, and a very useful addition for anyone purporting to be a swordsmith. Still, he doesn't get much any footage wherein he gets to really show off his skills in this particular video. I have no doubt that he's skilled. But his skills don't particularly get a chance to shine here.
what about guy from friis forge? He looks amazing and doubles as a testing subject in Skall's videos
Videos like this makes me appreciate how people in the past were amazing at banging rocks together. I'm a little bit jealous.
The making of the tools necessary to make the things in those days intrigues me. I am into vintage tools. Have collected some over a hundred years old.
My favorite is the Weston Foot-Candle Model 614. Measures illumination. Made 1935 give or take a year. Case made in plastic. How that was made is fascinating. It's stunning how more sophisticated the past was than we think.
I once saw blacksmithing in Indonesia and they had 3 guys, in perfect timing, doing the trip hammering bit. It was mesmerising and alarming.
As a carpenter and carver, there is nothing I enjoy more than watching a novice give it a go. Often they are quite quick and exactly grasp what needs doing and why... and yet their hand aren’t listening to them. In that moment they understand what it means to learn a craft.
you can tell he is a blacksmith because of how much more muscular his right arm is than his left.
That also happens if you spend most of your life playing tabletop RPGs.
Hahaha. I must be a Blacksmith as well than.
He could also just be really lonely
all of the above confirmed
Cody Carter it isn't a tell tale sign of a blacksmith, it shows he is right handed and works with his hands, same for somebody who saws wood all day, if they are right handed they mostly use the same hand every day. Same with swordsmen who train with one handed weapons, most workmen who use tools have a much stronger dominant hand, my right hand is a lot stronger from training and working everyday.
we can tell Lloyd hasn't had to swing a hammer very often at all
I hope Loyd keeps working with this swordsmith. He seems very cool and friendly, and the way that Loyd's sword seem to be getting shows a lot of the blacksmith that is teaching him!
I love your forging series. At my local museum, they have a traditional forger set up, where the blacksmith makes nails and other trinkets, so it’s interesting to hear the pinging of the metal as you walk through the museum
Best sound in the world :D
Clearly this guy doesn't know what he's doing. Everybody knows swords are made by casting.
only in good crop years
Oh the smith in me cringes.
The dwarf in me cries.
where did you get that? a movie?
Gray Blackhelm 🍻
They’re made with orange glowing liquids that flow like a goopy slime without a cover.
A spandau sword, thats the type of sword you should make
ben wilkins I should think that a Bren sword should be just as good, if not better on offense. Admittedly though, a Spandau sword would be particularly good in defense... I’m not sure which might be better...
Well a Bren does have better accuracy but you cant beat the Spandou sword's insane high rate of stabbing. Cant really go wrong with either sword!
The spandau sword would have the advantage of higher DPS, but due to the natural dispersion of its strikes, it wouldn't be possible to use it against a single opponent, unlike the superior Bren sword, which is more precise and can pick out individual targets.
ben wilkins how bout a spandau with a katana bayonet?
A spandau sword is for babies. A Churchill sword - that's what he should make.
It is surprisingly taxing to swing even a 16 oz hammer for a few hours. I'm liking these videos, they remind me of when I first started.
Hit it like it owes you money!
thats not a very effective method for getting paid!
@@drewjohnson9498 All of that was gold lol. #topkek
*Hit it like your children*
I just adore that there are still people today blacksmithing and keeping the tradition of making authentic swords and other tools, weapons, and armour alive.
My grant-grandfather, who was a smith and carpenter, always said; "let your tools do the work."
YEAH! I literally shouted “LINDY BEIGE” when I got the notification that you posted!
Well what on earth are you supposed to do?
adequate response I'd say
Samesies
3/10, not enough Beige.
I went "yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay"! and danced a brief (and extremely inaccurate) communist-china celebrational dance :-D
This could become my new battle cry: "ADEQUACY!"
i love how instead of just explaining history Lindybeige just gets stuck in and tries it
You do you you magnificent Bastard!
Hey Lindybeige, I know it's a little off-topic, and you may have already done it without my knowing, but do you think you could make a video talking about or showing movies you praise for getting details right, and being historically accurate?
I love your videos poking fun at "Helen of Troy," and thought it would be cool to see the opposite, and become more well-informed of which movies actually do their homework.
Error 404: this movie does not exist
2003 miniseries maybe?
You would be hard-pressed to find an entire film that is completely accurate but sometimes films do some bits surprisingly well. The TV series Rome has a very good first scene. the equipment of the soldiers seems to be pretty much entirely historically accurate. To my knowledge at least, proper experts could probably nitpick a few minor details, but all the large bits of equipment are correct for the period of the late Roman republic (I am not sure about the whistle the centurion uses to keep the legionnaires in line, but I guess it is not completely implausible). It is also one of the very few scenes in cinematography that I can recall in which a battle actually consists of soldiers fighting in formation (rather than breaking a formation immediately after the start of the battle which then proceeds as a sort of a massed duel as is standard on TV and mindboggingly stupid - also cheaper to film and more dramatic which is probably why it is so common). The film Alexander does a pretty good battle scene where you actually get a sense of some tactics being employed and the army moved around as units (also the chaos and dust from the battlefield).
Many historical films and TV dramas are guilty in making their characters behave as moderns. This is very easy to see in the US series The Borgias where a cardinal is shocked that the pope is taking simony (bribes). This was common practice at the time and the cardinal would most likely do it too. It was one of the main reasons John Wycliffe and Jan Hus (who was eventually burned at the stake, sparking the Hussite wars in Bohemia and central Europe) saw the Church as corrupt and criticized it and which eventually lead to the protestant reformation. The European series Borgia portrays its characters better. In one of the first scenes, one of the main characters finds his wife in bed with a lover (who manages to escapes). He says nothing, takes a medal rod from the fireplace and beats her to death. Nobody has a problem with him killing her because by their standards he was in the right. The only people shocked are the modern viewers but it makes for a much more realistic and immersive show. Also, Lucrezia Borgia wears pink in the US show. This is to highlight her apparent innocence but she would never do that since pink is a washed out and therefore cheap colour to make and signals fairly low status. Nobility would wear vibrant and full colours which were typically very expensive, or alternatively white which was very hard to actually keep white.
This is a great article (by a historian) comparing the two Borgia series and historicity on TV in general www.exurbe.com/?p=2176 She also says that perfectly 100% historical drama would probably not really work on TV and some of the most bizzare historical practices would be distracting for the modern audience without adding too much to the story (and omitting them does not take away much either).
Master and Commander.
Waterloo
Rob Roy (mostly)
That's about it?
Sounds like a fun challenge!
"When in doubt, hit it approximately everywhere until it looks about right" is now one of my favorite phrases of all time.
Lloyd, I'm only an amateur blacksmith, but I've forged knives for a number of years. If I may, it seems like you're using your wrist an awful lot when you hammer. I'd recommend keeping it stiffer, with less "flop" at the end of the stroke. As for me, I usually lose patience, and break out "Larry," my 5-lb sledge hammer with a 12-inch handle. I can only swing it about twice, but the steel sure notices it when I do.
Of course, that's my opinion, and ultimately, what works for you, works.
BUT WOW, this was a fantastic tutorial! I love how you explained WHY you were doing WHAT you were doing, and illustrated the entire shaping process at the end. Seriously, I took notes.
Only one question remains: Where can I find the "Key for judging the sizes of various bits of a sword"?
So, basically, don't be a percussionist when you're trying to hammer a sword.
(Well, and don't try to be a blacksmith while playing the drums, either)
(No one's going to get this, but whatever...Basically, you want to use your wrists if you're a percussionist, which is why I'm stating "don't be a percussionist when you're trying to hammer a sword.")
Lol it really bugged me watching him swing that hammer like that... if I were his son I would be incredibly ashamed.
I am thrilled to see this process. Legends and ballads will be spread far and wide about this blade.
Strictly speaking, you CAN correct an error in distal taper getting too thin in one area. It is just very annoying and awkward to squeeze something the shape of a blade from tip to hilt, but it can be done.
But probably faster in most shops to just say "Screw it", toss it in the scrap bin, and get some new stock to work with.
A wonderful film as always, delighted that my small patreon contribution is being used for such a worthwhile endeavour!
Good job!! Keep it up!! Remember what the Vikings told the "Thirteenth Warrior" !! "Get Stronger!"
I love watching Lindy blunder through something.
Advice on holding the hammer. Hold it at the end of the handle, if you hold it near the head you might choke it to death.
Yes! I need myself some Lloyd-y goodness. I'm loving the Blacksmithing videos!
Adequate, pointy and hammers.... Perfect.... Huzzah!!!
Lloyd, not many people have the chutzpah & self-deprecating good humour to post a UA-cam video of themselves doing a difficult thing the first time. Huzzah!
Actually, the scale is also made up of a large proportion of iron nitrides, which often get totally forgotten! The air is 80% N2 and while it isn't as reactive as O2, it's still one of the bigger causes of corrosion especially at red hot temps.
We should remember that. 😀
Lloyd this video inspired me to start blacksmithing. Ive joined a group and now own a forge and have started making things at home. Thank-you Sir. Seeing you try your hand at it for the first time made me feel I could try the same!
The most important question about this sword is obviously: "how quickly can the pommel be unscrewed and used to end your foe rightly?"
Depends on the thread you use.
That question will be answered, but not in this video.
Haha, brilliant workmanship in your video, done some silversmithing and a bit of small blade making before but i bet its quite different working with a bloody great steel bar. Really looking forward to seeing how the sword turns out, love your videos etc etc. :)
Any sword worth its salt should come with a standard pommel of mass destruction. It just wouldn't be right otherwise.
James Ward ....So fucking tiresome and not funny this trend.
5:36 Oh yeah, those authentic medieval tools are awesome to behold in action.
As a kid I’ve always dreamed of being a blacksmith. It came naturaly with a love of history. The situation is pretty mich the same. Though the closest blacksmith to me that I know of in Yorkshire makes fences.
Medieval fences are still fences.
Well, start learning then. You can't start with a sword.
If you ever fancy a holiday down south you can come visit us and do something a bit more fun.
That kind of blacksmith is actually a good person to learn from. They know how to shape metal better than just about any other smith. Or so I hear on Man at Arms.
Wrought iron fences have always been one of the better places to start. So many of the skills used in blade smithing are a basis for wrought iron work of all kinds.
Amazing work. Thank you and the Master Smith for showing how this would have been done -- and still is!!
These videos are always so good. Keep up your good work Loyd 😀
A sword, a suit of armor....a dream for most boys. I'm sure Lindy had fun!
0/10 not an axe, worst dwarf video on the entire internet.
What! It's just a double sided axe that has a very long blade with a very short handle.
the KO kid Big brain 🧠
@@dootless3819 that a big brain move
I've been called a big brain twice for this
@@dootless3819 big brian
Audible, proudly paying lindybeige's stuff since like forever
OH LINDY.... the way you hold the hammer...
90% of everyone that doesn't do this work. You included. That is a ten pounder, eight at least.
@@justtime6736 he's not going to bang you. Stop white knighting.
He picks the sword I would've gone for, brilliant
You have no idea how entertaining this is to watch, Lloyd.
I love Lindybeige! And I love swords! Perfect!
You can actually hammer it thicker. It's called upsetting but it would probably be easier just to start over.
I find such scenes are too upsetting.
Not on something that thin. Upsetting is like pushing rope, if the heated area is too big, it just folds.
I must say i appreciate the TT mug, well done that man.
i also noticed it , would be interesting to know what he rides
You're doing great!
Looks better then the first sword I made. (Though I had no one to teach me.)
You have seen the dancing hammer ? He cannot control it. He is just too weak. Its a bit fake ;)
You don't just start out with that kinda arm strength you know. It takes practice.
Yes, therefore he needs some hours in a gym first ;)
Bullshit. It's about skill. You learn it as you do it. And your muscles get stronger at same time.
What Juntasification Said.
Best 16 minutes I’ve had all week
When I was young my father had me carry the hammer around throughout the day in the house to strengthen my wrists perhaps this might be helpful
being born again and having a wise manly father?
The Mechanist my suggestion would be pommel throwing. Best wrist/hand exercise you can get.
Excellent description of using a power hammer for the first time
lloyd it is very late please go to bed
18:52 what are you talking about
I can now, thanks.
HKF1 02.56 here 😂😂
3:12 now gn
What a good friend :)
Notice the Blacksmith holding the Hammer . The swing and grip of the handle and down strike is impressive . He uses the weight of the Hammer very well without swinging as hits down . My GrandFather was a Blacksmith too . He loved wrestling and was very good at it too . Huge arms and neck
7:31 lol lindy is limp wrist af
That poor hammer was coughing it's head off, you were choking the life from it!
Great video, sir.
As an amateur hammerer of nails and things, the floppy wrist is making me annoyed.
it's 100% overcooked macaroni noodles and wet napkins
gajbooks he seemed to be tired, since he had to switch hammers. I remember my wrist ending up like that sometimes when i started using a 2kilo hammer instead of a 1kilo.
Trym GK I'm not really complaining, but it is bad form and is likely why his sword took longer to shape (besides the obvious strength difference and him not keeping it hot enough).
You've gotten much better since the homemade nail.
The sword should be named "Wristywhack" or possibly RSI.
I have given Lindy shit in the past for getting his history wrong... And while I remain adamant he has in some instances, I do find it admirable he would go to these lengths to get his suit of armor and weaponry as accurate as possible. Well done, Lindy... this was a joy to watch!
Assuming that's a typo in the treatise and supposed to say XVIIId not XIIId like it shows in the book, I'd choose the type 18d.
Come on Nikolas, you know you want the D.
azdgariarada it’s got a very thin point, so it would be difficult to forge for a beginner due to the potential cold shuts and warps it could get from the heat treatment.
Plus, given that he is looking more for aesthetically pleasing swords personally I would have chosen the 18b or 18c.
But of course, that’s just my preference of two handed and bastard swords
azdgariarada I researched it to figure that out. It was a typo and is a type XVIIId.
I love this "series" so much!
The limp wristed hammering is making me wince. Not saying I could do any better - *at all*
I could
I'm glad we got to see someone who has never done this before (you) work on a sword; the professional made it look so simple that it's easy to not realise how much skill goes into the work.
Put a katana under that power hammer and make it into a proper sword
Matthew WH Katana IS a proper sword. Proper enough for the warrior caste of Japan.
Wouldn't work- the almighty katana will simply cut into the hammer head every time it lands.
Matthew WH
Lmao agreed
The warrior caste of Japan who only won one battle against foreigners, and that via hurricane. That warrior caste?
Congratulations on your accomplishment. It's quite easy to see you are very proud of your new sword. As you should be.
Pretty good for your first weapon, I feel like I would have just burned myself many many times
Psh, I burn myself using my electric oven. Burning is the only manly way to do anything.
No. You only burn yourself once. In that heat, the very memory of a burn stings. Stings the body, AND the pride.
True, once you burn yourself, it's also burned into your mind not to make the same mistake again.
Fun watching you learn to hammer well while smiths smirk in the background. Came across this series while trying to get more info on how to temper a short sword I just made. And I gotta say, nice job.
A day of significance.
Despite people commenting here about your inexperience with the hammer etc. it is still remarkable how confident
you work and move in the shop. Probably more talented than most people. Good video.
Color that sword beige!
That’ll happen in the temper. What’s a “straw” color anyway?-yup, just beige!
BEIGE
Beige is a state of mind.
With a tweed scabbard perhaps.
Best video about this ever, thank you Lindy
Traditional
Angle grinder
one sub one plink
I guarantee if the blacksmiths back in the day had one they would use it.
it was not possible to cut at an angle back in the day, only perpendicularly
That is not true at all. Most cutting was done with chisels or hardy tools. Simply set the chisel to the desired angle and strike.
fsmoura Unless my sarcasm detector is malfunctioning.
cant wait for the update. i have been watching Berserk and am obsessed with swords laterly
Love the enthusiasm. Cringed at the hammer technique the whole first half tho.
Omg I'm glad I'm not the only one lol. It was the limpest of all the limp wrists...
I am jealous of your ability to be adequate the first time you try anything
I would love to do this! As an untrained observer who has seen other people doing it on other videos, it seems that you are too limp wristed while wielding the hammer. That may be quite natural for someone who has never done it before and who doesn't have any of the muscle memory as a blacksmith with experience. I imagine that as Tom is watching you, he must be inwardly cringing, but also knows exactly where you are coming from, as he himself was once in the same position when he first started. I should look to see if there are any classes near me somewhere where people do this.
If you're interested, it's actually "deep-seated" (although "-seeded" has own logic also).
traderjoes it is a somewhat common beginner mistake, but also he was getting tired. Using a hammer you are not strong enough to use, makes you limp in the wrist after a while. (because you get really tired)
PS. Sorry for bad english.
You can see the difference in strength between the blacksmith's right and left arm. There was a blacksmith down the road from where my parents lived, and he was like this as well.
I lift, do HEMA and Indian club work and even my arms were killing by the end when I tried a 1 day blacksmithing course.
I hate that there isn't a single blacksmith nearby who doesn't just produce fences.
I’m really digging the hands on living history videos you have done!
Literally as you were about to talk about the Oakshot typology, I said to myself Type 18! and it was done.
also 666th like.
This is soooo cool. I got really excited when I saw this pop up in my feed. Wohoo u rock Lindy Beige!
Love it, but Lindy, do you even lift bro?
A lot of time is probably being cut, even the strongest people run out of stamina eventually
No! he's weak and needs to do a series on the way they kept fit in times gone by, I mean, do you know what an ancient greek gym looked like? what kind of Supplements did they use?
ScoriacTears punch a bucket full of sand, then when you get tired start grabbing at the sand, it strengthens your hands/fingers and hardens your fists
You are wise, tell me! "of!" this technique, where did you learn, for I know Of only one hwence this secret knowledge could hath er cometheth from.
ScoriacTears the mystic recommended feed
"When in doubt, hit it approximately everywhere until it looks right." Best philosophy ever
one does not simply use a power hammer timidly.
yeah, for that you bring on the milquetoast hammer
No but you should always do it carefully for obvious reasons.
IT'S A POWER HAMMER
FEEL THE POWER
Holy shit when he's cutting the steel to shape the GUNS COME OUT. What a beautiful man
Adequacy!
Ok, this makes you a whole new level of cool.
I know he never posts enough videos!
This is something I didn't know I wanted until I had it thanks to you Lindy lol. Most other blacksmithing videos really don't convey how difficult what they're doing is, in fact they always make it look easy, it's really cool to see this from the perspective of someone just learning it and see how difficult all it actually is!
5:53 thats what she said
Haha love it
It's not just good, it's good ENOUGH! Well done Lindy!
The half of me that's 14 loves Excalibur.
"When in doubt, hit it approximately everywhere until it looks right." should be on a t-shirt.
How's the dna test coming along?
Joren Baplu He's 100% beigeoid.
Joren Baplu the first set of clones should be ready in 3 to 6 weeks.
They just found out that he is not a human.
He found out he had a smidgen of french in him so he's been too embarrassed to tell us the results
Not if he's Anglo-Saxon, Briton, or Celtic rather than Norman in descent. Probably more accurate to say he's half German, where Anglo-Saxons come from
It's so cool, that you're just hammering your own sword! I love it that you have this in your mind and just decide to try it yourself!
What time do you call this? Nice swords by the way
I want part 2 NOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW! Seriously, great video. This is actually the first place I learned what scale actually is and what causes it (unless I learned it somewhere else and forgot XD ).
Lindyforge
Gotta say though, I find watching Lindy learn highly inspiring!