R TYPE Arcade-ZX Spectrum VS C64, Amstrad + Commodore Amiga VS ST + PC ENGINE-SMS-GAMEBOY comparison
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- R Type by IREM features in this VS game / system comparison, released by Irem in the arcades in 1987 and then released onto the home systems for 8 Bit and 16 Bit home computers. The console releases soon followed and this is a title that still gets a run out on the many Retro Game systems to this day. Simply put one of the best arcade shoot em ups you will find that is a proven retro classic.
I am taking a look at the 8 Bit systems of the day but will also compare the 16 Bit computer conversions too and then take a look and some of the initial 8 Bit console releases of the day.
So lets take a look firstly at R Type on the original Arcade followed by the 8 Bit systems featuring:
Commodore 64
Sinclair ZX Spectrum
Amstrad CPC
And then the 16 Bit systems featuring:
Commodore Amiga
Atari ST
And finally the 8 Bit console systems featuring:
Sega Master System
PC Engine
Nintendo Gameboy
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The A500 version of r-type was mind blowing back in the day. The Chris Huelsbeck title track was amazing, although I think the C64 version of the track was even better. Pair that up with amazing gameplay, and one of the most iconic bosses in video game history- dobkeratops - and you’re onto a winner. Another great vid OG, really brought back great memories this one, Kudos Brother! 🤙🏼
Thanks buddy so glad you enjoyed it ! Great input as always my friend 😉
The Spectrum version is in my opinion the best coin-op conversion for that platform. A recent hack includes AY music and effects from the Amstrad and MSX versions, you choose which one upon loading. It manages to further improve an already excellent effort.
The C64 one was competently done but lacked - how can I describe it? - some "magic", I altogether liked it but found it much less impressive than the Spectrum version.
The PC Engine one... well, that's really superb, can't say anything less.
Thanks for this comparison!
Great video and a brilliant game. Had this on the Speccy, C64 and the Master system and have recently been playing the arcade rom on the Retrocade that I recently bought. Would love to see you cover Chuckie egg. Keep up the good work 👍
Added Chuckie Egg to the list matey 😎
The Amiga version was virtually spot-on with/to the Arcade version; it also had a cracking title tune 🎹🔊
Agreed matey, Amiga version was very impressive 😉
..should have been arcade perfect tho
@@OGDuffy Did you get your Series S & Flight Sim?
Yea matey ! Really enjoying it ! Working this weekend and away from Monday so will have to play catch up with my lessons mid week 😉 taking my time and manages the download in a couple of hours so happy days !
R-Type is one of the most iconic horizontal shooters ever made even to this day!!
The Amstrad is a port of the ZX Spectrum code. Both machines use the Z80 CPU so they just ported the code across to the Amstrad to save time and money. Amstrad could do so much better. In all fairness though the Spectrum version is really nice with no colour clash or anything that messes up the gameplay, very clever how they managed it. C64 is a great version all round and at the time another game called Katakis came out and got banned as it was similar (not really) to R-Type. Thing is though it was actually better than the official conversion of R-Type so it was ordered to be taken off sale only to reappear 3 month or so later called Denaris. But yeah I do like the C64 version even though it is missing the spinning enemies halfway through the first level which stands out given you had to fly inside and take out the main gun to disable them all and get out the other side.
Amiga version is all but arcade perfect and the ST version isn't bad but just doesn't feel right. Even the enemy patterns at the start are different to the arcade. It does look like the colour is off on the ST version you have done there. If you check out other vids of it the white balance isn't as high. Original discs don't work on the STe so can't use the enhanced hardware unfortunately :(
Gameboy and Master System are great and it is impressive on both systems especially Gameboy given it's limitations. One thing I will say though is disable the smoothing on the Gameboy emulator you used as it looks terrible (same with SNES emulator)
Now the elephant in the room. The PC Engine is 4th Generation (16 Bit era) alongside Megadrive, SNES, Neo Geo etc. The CPU was made by Hudson Soft and based on one of their earlier 8 Bit CPU's but the CPU used in the PC Engine is a different part number. Much like the Atari ST which stands for Sixteen Thirty Two as it has 16 Bit external bus with 32 Bit internal stuff. PC Engine is definitely a 16 Bit machine as an 8 Bit in no way shape or form could do what that machine is doing. It would have been better putting it up against Super R-Type on the SNES
Hi Iain, thanks for that matey, great input as always 😉 To be fair the PC Engine is an odd one as depends which articles you read online. Some say 8 Bit other 16 Bit? So a bit confusing. But that said, what an amazing little console! Producing those quality games and measuring in at roughly 13 CM, small was defiantly beautiful in this case 😎
PC Engine used a 7.16mhz hu6820 cpu, a 6502 derivative, which is 8bit.
It also has 2 16 bit graphics chips.
Bit width doesn't mean a lot.
Original xbox is only 32bit, nintendo64 is 64 bit, dreamcast 128bit.
Its the architecture, instruction set, support hardware, etc. that defines a systems capabilities.
The real reason is that the 8/16 bit thing doesn't have any effect on graphics or real direct effect on game performance. Look at it this way: the Intellivision (barely better than the 2600) is 16 bit and the Sam Coupe (which has Atari St graphics) is 8 bit. The PC Engine has an 8 bit data bus, so it is definitely 8 bit, regardless of what the graphics chips are doing internally.
It just refers to the size of the data bus, so while being able to send more complicated instructions in one go can be a good thing, it doesn't really have anything to do with it. If it were true, we'd all be using 512 bit computers!
Helped with the marketing, though!
PC Engine is a 8bit system though with a 16bit graphics processor.
There is indeed a 128K Speccy version made in 1988 with a decent arcade AY music soundtrack, and it is frickin awesome!!
This soundtrack is so iconic, will check that out, was told it was a remake ? Will have a look into it. Thanks for watching and commenting as always matey really appreciated 😉
Wow super cool. I'm really only familiar with the Master System, but the other ports are all really interesting in their own ways!
Cheers matey, the PC Engine conversion was something special too matey 😎
@@OGDuffy I've always heard! The Turbografx 16 is still a foreign concept to me!
Sent over by 'Essex Retro Gamer' loved the C64 version back in the day. These days I like to play the Master System version on my Everdrive.
Hi matey and a massive welcome to the channel 😎 Look forward to hearing your thoughts and comments for future vids matey 😎
Is this his most controversial verdict yet?
R-Type holds a special place in the heart of the spectrum owners. It was something special.
Is the C64 version held in the same regard, or was it just one more great vertical scroller for them?
Cant beat a bit of controversy my friend 😉 Loved the Speccy version and to be fair probably one of the best conversions on that system. The 64 for me was better playability and of course... Great music 😎
@Rooflesoft Games That's a great shout out and verdict matey 😁
Probably fair to say that the C=64 had several good shoot em ups as you suggest. Delta, Armalyte, Katakis, Salamanda, Sanxion etc etc but each game has to be judged irrespective of what the system has done in the past. I thought the 64 was the best of the lot even though the spectrum punched more above its weight than than any other system. Another good video Duffy.
@@MegaasAlexandros Cheers matey appreciated as always 😉
I loved the arcade. Had it on the c64 and thought it was a decent conversion and the SMS version was great also.
Arcade game was awesome, that said it swallowed a lot of my Ten Pences !!!!!!
The FM Sound of the Master System version is very nice!
Hi Igor, agreed matey the SMS version was a good all rounder 😉
I had a PC Engine in 92, and had both this and the 2nd hu card. The 2nd one was insanely hard.
You were a lucky man ! The PC Engine was awesome !
@@OGDuffy it was alright. Problem was all the games were only mail order and quite expensive for the time. There was none in local video game shops 2nd hand or for trade or hire. Outrun was great on it tho.
Still play this game today on many original systems . C64 version was a great conversion ,excellent graphics and superb tune .the amiga version was very close graphically to the arcade and brilliant sound track to compliment it.master system version was deff a hardware pusher and for the time one of the best versions and even had a secret level.
Secret level was a great added bonus ! Thanks for suggesting matey 😎
Great review, and I agree 100% with your verdict for once.
Cheers Remi, good to hear you agree on this occasion 😉
Great video, Duffy, thanks!
Why than you Sir 😉
Your right. R Type was remade on Amstrad in 2012 by a company called Easter Egg. The programmer of the original port has gone on record to apologise as they were given a very small window to convert the game. It wasn't that bad at the time. Honest ( Over on the CPC Wiki there is a story RE Keith Goodyear and the time he was given to programme the CPC version. It took just 21 days )
@@OGDuffy Well worth it. Big improvements in presentation, graphics and music. Please note it scrolls even better on real hardware and monitor. Also available on Enterprise
@@robsmall6466 cheers matey 😉
The C64 was a great conversion. Definitely the best of the 8 bits. Yes, few bits were chopped out, but if it were to be remade, I'm sure it would be perfect!
Glad you agree about the C64 version matey😎
Usually the Amiga will beat the ST because of sheer extra power, so when I had an ST and even now, I usually judge the ST version on how well they used the available hardware. So the ST gets a 9/10 for use of the machine's base capabilities. There is a Deluxe Version (home brew) around that was created using the STE hardware. It's much better and makes use of the sound and scrolling of the slightly advanced hardware.
That's a fair comment matey as you say ST held its own considering it was not as powerful 😉
No mention of the Sega Master System exclusive stage!
That's where you guys come in ! Honestly love the comments on my videos so much knowledge, memories and advice share on here !
Cheers matey 😎
Great! One of my favorites at that time
Is a classic matey 😉
I´m following you from Argentina.
Great video as usual.
Please, I´d like a review of Terra Cresta if you can...
Hi Cesar, welcome to the channel 😎 Terra Cresta been added to the list matey 😉
I've got a suggestion, Saboteur 2, my favourite game for the AMSTRAD CPC, for me the greatest music ever played on a 8 bit system and a huge map with 700 different screens. There are many versions including PC and like R-Type the game stil lives today on Nintendo Switch
Nintendo Switch is an awesome console, so versatile. I remember the first Saboteur game but don't recall the 2nd so a future video for this is a definite 😎
@@OGDuffy Great!
The PC Engine Japanese version had to be split over 2 HuCards as they did not have the capacity to fit the whole game on one (the capacity was 2mbit at that time). The US version was able to fit on only one HuCard as the capacity had at that time increased to 4mbits. Capacity increased over the years to a whopping 20mbits for games like Street Fighter 2. I remember drooling over the PC Engine coverage in C&VG magazine but could never afford one back then as they were import only.
Same here matey C&VG was my go to magazine of the day ! The PC Engine was such a great solid machine !!!!!
If you had done a handheld comparison, it would've probably included GameGear as well as GameBoy, and the GameGear was just a Master System with a smaller screen, so the comparison is probably actually quite fair between those two.
Hi matey, I am considering handheld comparison videos for some future VS videos 😉
Great conversions on all systems with R-Type (once they'd sorted a proper CPC version!). I'd have put the Speccy version over the C64 version as it implements the whole bloody thing - nothing missing from the arcade in terms of gameplay, sprite size, movement etc. and it plays more 'like' the arcade, just that 128k version sadly not implemented. There was a homebrew version later, but sadly they opted for original music rather than the arcade. I'd say the C64 version is what you'd expect - silky smooth, glorious music, but small sprites and missing features.
Hi matey, all well and good I hope? Fair comment matey, as you say all versions were half decent which was a rarity back then 😉
@@OGDuffy Indeed! Especially for such an iconic big development!
For some reason R-Type (on the Amiga) used to scare the crap out of me. I think it was a mixture of the end of level baddies and the spooky music.
I suppose the bosses were quite grotesque in a weird way. I bet that didn't stop you playing it though? 😉
@@OGDuffy no it didn’t! Think I’ve still got the original in the attic.
@@edz 😉
The Amiga version wins it for me but, to be fair, the Speccy version was phenomenal!
Was a nice conversion for most systems to be fair 😎
@@OGDuffy Agreed. But when you look at what the Speccy was pushing, it was pretty damned amazing. All those colors and the animation was top-notch.
@@welshie6313 To be fair this really did push the limits on the speccy and was very well done 😎😎
Spectrum! Right, now I'll watch the video. 🤣🤣
This is my favorite game on Spectrum 48K, top, top, top the best game ever
OIts a great game all round and as you say so well converted to the speccy matey 😉🍺
Great video pal, i thought the c64 was good but too hard so the amiga was awesome until i managed to play it on the pc engine which i own, When you play on the PC Engine you can see how much background gfx were missing from the amiga. Awesome game and enjoy which version you prefer is what i say.
Hi Lee, thanks for your input matey, appreciated. You own the PC Engine version... Your a lucky man ! Would love a PC Engine 😎
Yeah, for me is also the C64 the best!! For the short time It was Made, and also great Soundtrack!!!
Hi Thomas, yep the C64 SID chip really did create some stunning music for games back in the day matey 😉
I had the original version for Amstrad, I did have great fun playing it, but can remember being a bit disappointed by the lack of colours, sound and overall choppy movement. This was the same for games such as Ghosts 'n' Goblins, Rygar and many many more.
Hi matey, thanks for watching and commenting. Its interesting looking back at these old games as only played a few versions myself back in the day so great to look at all systems.
Get some real surprises along the way too. The colours on the Amstrad version of Barbarian were particularly good 😎
@@OGDuffy No problem, you have a great channel.
Yeah it's brilliant to reminisce back to the 'good old days' . IIRC I had barbarian for the amstrad too, I'll have to look that one up to be sure. I think i gave my Amstrad away when I outgrew it. I can remember spending weeks writing out a program, line for line ( and even today I have never really mastered touch typing ) copied off some magazine i think and the result was a basic tennis type game.... you know the one with 2 lines as bats :)
@@SuperLinuxAudioGuru I remember typing for hours lines of programs from magazines only for them not to work ! Or knocking the ram pack on my zx81 which would lose all my work ! Certainly instilled a great level of patience in us 😉
@@OGDuffy The Amstrad was the only computer i ever owned until recent times... we certainly put a lot of faith into cassette or ram not to fail ;) I wish I had studied coding language back then, was it BASIC? I've tried to teach myself C++, but the learning curve is so steep to do anything complex.
Hi. Can you do a comparison video on the different Shinobi games?
Its funny you say that....... Keep your eyes peeled my friend 😉😎
Good video but couldn't disagree more spectrum version was way better than the Commodore it's known as the flagship game for the system the Commodores blocky graphics were not as good as the spectrums the only thing it had over it was the sound, the scrolling for the spectrum was incredible for that system 128k version was all the levels loaded in one go for the spectrum I played both of them and commodore and spectrum when I come to my verdict Spektrum won hands down you need to Delve deeper into the game the big spaceship on level 3 was awesome on the spectrum nowhere near as good on the Commodore,, still an enjoyable video well done
@@OGDuffy yes congratulations was only doing very well
@@retrorobbins Hopefully sent a few subs your way least we can do support each others channels matey 😉
Agree or disagree with your decision i still give you a thumbs up every time, if we all had the same opinion Than Life Would Be Boring
Commodore wins over the Spectrum just because of its superior hardware.. that scrolling and playability without color clash and beeper sound it's superb for a ZX Spectrum... C64 looks and sounds better but seems unfair to the effort...
Hi matey, as I said a commendation to the Speccy as one of the best ports to that system, C64 just edged it for gameplay and that
music😍
Interesting how the Amiga version did not have parallax scrolling in the background - even the 8-bit versions had it. Amiga had the best hardware, so not sure why they skipped it.
You did know that the C64 version was rushed out in only 6 weeks? Therefore it lacks some bits of the arcade game which are all present in the ZX Spectrum version. The circular mid-level boss in level 1 e.g. is not moving.
Thus, of all the original 8-bit conversions, the ZX Spectrum version of R-Type steals the show here, really.
Hi matey, thats what I love about this channel, the knowledge and information we all share ! Six weeks ! Blimey that was a rush job for sure. Imagine what they could have achieved with more time !!!! Speccy was a great conversion too 😀 Thanks fos sharing this info matey, really appreciated 😎
The 256*192 pixel mode of the Amstrad caps out at about four colours. Of course it has the chunkier colour pixel modes, but that would have required them to completely redraw the graphics specifically for the Amstrad. Of course, this was done years later and the modern Amstrad conversion is very much the game as it should have been. ( ua-cam.com/video/8y67EaQWpy0/v-deo.html )
Some of the remakes on the 8 bit systems are superb as is the case with this one 😎
When doing the VS vids though I stick to the original releases, good and bad as feel thats the fairest way 😉🍺
Thanks for sharing your thoughts matey 😉
For your GameBoy emu, you might wish to turn off the smoothing so that we see the proper pixels. The video as shown is not quite representative.
Ref! The spectrum verson was amazing from 1st level to last. How it did not win!
Hi Guy, Only my opinion matey as I did say a commendation for the Speccy version. Just my opinion buddy 😎 For me with the music and gameplay just felt the C64 did it more for me 😉 But your right the Speccy version was an amazing feat 😀
Probably because C64 technically is a much more advanced machine with a lot more hardware features, like hardware scrolling and sprites. C64 version is simply better: better graphics, better sound, better scrolling,
@@OGDuffy Of couse. Just happy to see these old games and consoles get some love.
Because the c64 destroyed it ...
I had it on the spectrum....wasnt disappointed .1 of the 10 best games for the spectrum.the master system pissed it,,,the best 16bit version is super rtype on the snes,amstrad was a let down ,there is ps4 version its side scrolling but with 3d models
Yes a great game all round this one 😉
@@OGDuffy i remember it being quite addictive the spectrum version ,the way the machine splutters as it scrolls explosions off ,it was a very playable version considering it was the most primative set up,each level was about 30kb thats why it was multiloading and you can tell their wasnt much memory free by how well the machine ran,,,,,,the spectrum spluttered and it was great
No official Speccy 128k version unfortunately. A group of hackers have released a 128k version since which includes a rendition of the arcades music.
ua-cam.com/video/La-lQ5MGgr8/v-deo.html
R-Type for ZX Spectrum is one version only, 48/128K play and run the same, 48K is multi-load, think might be a 128K in single load? SMS version is really good. There is GameBoy colour variant, which is reworking of the GAMEBOY code, called R-Type DX.
Hudson soft were a principle developer for PC Engine games, and Hardware. If the info I've read online is correct, the card sized ROM storage format first appeared on SEGA 1000/ 3000, and later featured on Sega Master System, used to have Teddy Boy (Teddy Boy Blues, in arcade) and My Hero for SMS cards. Teddy Boy is a great multi-directional scrolling maze, platform shooter, perhaps a bad shout for a comparison vid since the SMS version is the only version that got a physical release, along with typical paraphernalia that accompanies, a retail game, except arcade game The card slot was also needed for the SMS 3D glass, which is why the glasses don't work on SMS 2, it has no card slot. Anyway Hudson owned the rights for the tech and used it to best effect with PC Engine.
Hi Mark, thanks for watching and commenting, appreciated as always matey. The SMS cards were awesome also, I had the Hang On one with my Master System. 😀
Btw spectrum and GB (and gbc) owns the same coder 😁
Head over Heels comparison mate. Whilst drinking a bottle of adnams Ghost Ship.
I will see what I can do 😉 Ghost Ship is Adnams if I recall?
@@OGDuffy it is, there's a pub in Dunedin I visit sometimes when down there which sells it. A lovely ale.
R-Type was one of those games that made me want to punch a whole through my TV, get another TV, and do it again. Yes, I find it that infuriating and exceptional in equal parts. However, if you ask me what is the very best port of R-Type for the 8-bit and 16-bit consoles...I would say hands down the TG-16 version is the best.
I recorded a gameplay video of RType recently will probably release in about 10 days or so. It is a classic... As you say, not easy, but, classic 😎
FYI there is an Atari STe remake called R-Type Deluxe as well. IMHO, still not quite as good as the Amiga version, but better than the ST version.
Remakes seem quite the thing and hearing about more and more on all systems so something I shall explore in the future😎
The msx cartridge version was also better than most of these, but you left it out 😢
Hi matey, to be honest I have never used or knew anyone back in the day with an MSX, so don't look at that version when doing the comparisons.
Lazy ST programmers, they could have made a better conversion. Same for the CPC
Was a shame on some systems but on the whole felt a lot of the systems received half decent conversions 😉 Thanks for watching and giving your thoughts matey, appreciated.
Another shameful Speccy port for this official Amstrad version, thankfully the modern remake does the machine justice : ua-cam.com/video/kHH1V-zOlZk/v-deo.html
PC ENGINE or the PS3 for me.
PC Engine version was rather special matey 😉
Atari st version unplayable almost as bad as nemesis on the zx
Loved Nemesis, another classic shoot em up played the C64 version but don't recall playing the Speccy version. Maybe a future VS video there matey 😉
@@OGDuffy knock yourself out as spectrum version is unbearable I broke 3 zx spectrums so unplayable isit
Lol the C64 was the dogs breakfast when you play the whole thing. It's not even R-type it's a re-skin of Katakis. Sprite patterns are all over the place, some don't move, some things can be shot and should not be able to. Sure it had sound but it was a terrible conversion. Poor Amstrad getting speccy seconds again but the fan remake made up for it and is amazing. The speccy conversion was an impossible conversion, it should not have done what it did. Compare Level 3 on all 3 8bit ports that shows you the big difference.
3rd C64
2nd ZX Spectrum
1st Amstrad Fan Remake.
OR 3rd C64, 2nd Amstrad (original) and 1st Zx Spectrum
Master system was Brilliantly done hats off for a full arcade shooter in the little console that could. It pushed the machine to the limits and beyond.
16 bit ST/Amiga both were good and both were bad I preferred the ZX spectrum conversion at the time (Had all 3 machines at the time) Something about the Amiga version felt off. The ST had poorer graphics and sound but felt better to play, don't know what it was but the Amiga wins in the end.
Though that's my opinion..
Hi Jayne, thanks for your thoughts and comments. Always good to hear if people agree or disagree with my verdicts and why 😉 I ma gonna do a future video relating to the Amstrad remake as looks impressive. What did you think of the PC Engine version?
Your opinions are always welcomed on this channel 😉 Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts, greatly appreciated 😎
@@OGDuffy It would be a boring place if we all agreed :) The PC Engine version was the one we drooled over in the mags back in the day BUT...when i got it I was amazed and disappointed. The Audio and great much like the arcade original. The disappointment was hardware limitations with the screen res hence the scrolling of the screen vertically. It reminded me of the local arcade when the R-Type machine borked and did the same thing...