We are both in the same boat. But I did RIBA Studio and now work as an architectural apprentice working towards part 2 exams. My education and experiences as a technologist strategically placed me. My advice for anyone wanting to get into architecture is to do an apprenticeship.
Thanks Katie for opening up this debate. As I understand it in the Netherlands, architects, engineers and Technologists enjoy the same basic course for the first two years and then specialise, (I could stand corrected). This means that Master courses are open to more candidates and upon completion entry into the different chartered institutes is easier. If this is correct and please let me know if it is, this means that with entry into the Dutch Institute of Architecture, this recognition is transferable to Denmark or any other country in the EU. Good luck and I know you will excel. Keep in touch.
Omg thank you so much for this video. I was supposed to study in Denmark at VIA College Architectural technology and now I know that it isn't what I am searching for. It helped a lot 🙂❤️
@@lucamorello5375 thanks for sharing, VIA seemed to have a better BATCM line than KEA when I was studying in Denmark. But there are the same challenges for students that want to be architects.
@@KathrynLarsen If you want a career in Building , like selfemployed , ciat.uk with via University can be good. You Will not an architect , but for me It Is no problem. Like site manager Is Better big infrastructure like construction engineer
I truly understand the pain of the system in Denmark in regards of the "title". Graduated same degree from Aarhus, and ended in the Netherlands as well, studying master's in architecture. I was surprised to see how open are they in terms of accepting people from different educational backgrounds. As a note, surprised that Sweden also reacted in such a way, I was accepted in Umea University for master's in architecture and urban planning. Anyway, good luck with your new chapter, TU Delft is a great university!
Working as an Architectural Technologist in the UK, it's very similar to Denmark and not seen as a designer. Instead, handle design of construction and planning packs. Glad you enjoying Architecture now!
Thanks! Yes- but at least you are not cut off from doing a masters in Architecture, like you are in Denmark, which was the main point I was trying to make. The fields are seen as two separate things in Denmark, as opposed to a part of the same.
@@KathrynLarsen I studied Architectural Technology in Ireland and wasn't allowed do a masters in architecture. I had to start from undergrad level. I think Arch Tech is a really strong foundation but its odd its not integrated
you must try to translate your Danish qualification into the Spanish technical architect qualification which lasts 4 years. afterwards if you come to Italy or with other studies or only with practice you can become a civil engineer and architect. but remember if you transform yourself as a civil engineer to return to Denmark it is ok or you take the title as a European architect, but in construction in Italy it is not good. for the English title CIAT there is someone in Sweden as chartered
Perhaps you can do your masters degree in english in architecture still at KADK or Arhus Arkitektskole, but they are closing every undergraduate line now in English for the most part due to political reasons from 2022. They may also eventually close masters degrees- so be on the lookout. Arts program support gets cut the fastest for international students.
I applied to KEA this summer. I find this video a bit discouraging, even though I know that's not your intent. I wanted to use the degree to come a building consultant. I want to work closely with investors, contractors, developers, tenants to provide buildings that are distinctive, sustainable and designed to meet user needs. I especially wanted to do this abroad from Denmark, specifically in Africa. Have I applied for the wrong degree?
No I think this is the right degree for this. I wanted to be a designer and an academic after KEA so the degree limited me. But for building consultancy it's a fine degree. You won't learn though, how to design a building for end user needs though. Most of the time they give you floor plans and your main job is to just draw them up to be built. They don't really teach you about flow or how to construct a functional floor plan, or how to base your form on your site apart from orientation. That's considered for architecture only.
@@cpd7172 you are taught everything technical and almost nothing spatial or experiential. Experimenting with building shape or interiors isn't the focus of the study, it's about detailing and managing construction and executing standard solutions. As a result most bygningskonstruktør I've met that call themselves architects don't usually create sensitive architectural designs, they tend to work with very practical box shapes.
Hello Kathryn my name is Juan, Im in Aarhus applying for a bachellor in Arch. tech and Constr. Management. I studied architecture in Argentina but i couldnt finish my bachellor because of country and family circunstances. And now im prying to find a study in this field that allows me to finish my education and finally be able to get a job in the Architecture/Construction/Design Field. so my question Would be how to achieve this. Im Italian so i have the EU citizenship that allows me to live and work and study in the EU. please if yiu have any advice i would love to hear it.
You can always do the architectural tech education and do a masters in architecture at Pollmi before coming back to Denmark. Wages are better in Denmark than in Italy. :)
@@KathrynLarsen Hello Kathryn I am in the 4th semester of ATCM at VIA in Aarhus. I am happy with the programm i am studyng. Do you know with certainty I can do a master in Architecture at Politecnico di Milano? Of course i would love to bt i am not sure. I sent a couple of emails to Polimilano but i did not get an answer. They just told me This is not where you should write to, we dont know where should you write to which is super weird. Could you refer me to someone who could help me with this through their own experience? what about yur experience doing a master in architecture in netherlands? I would like to come back to Denmark after my masters. do you know if I can work as an architect here after a master in architecture?
@@juantonello6589 hi Juan, yes you can work in Denmark as an architect after. Strange that you got that response- maybe just apply? I know 3 people personally who study there so if you send me a mail at kathrynelizabethlarsen@gmail.com I may be able to connect you. Otherwise TU Eindhoven with their bridging program might be an option.
In England UK, a Chartered Architectural Technologist is on the same level as an architect, they can design any building and start and complete any project without the need for an architect. As long as you are chartered you can do anything within a project.
Danish immigration system's pretty harsh. It's designed to keep "unwanteds" out at any cost, and you're "unwanted" by default. People with actual interest in being productive members of the country have to jump through hoops and over hurdles to check out a growing series of check boxes. Politicians say we will accept people with skills we need, but the bureaucratic system is so rigid and robotic that it's broken in practice. And every election this system becomes something you can point to and say "This is too lenient!" and get votes. It's inhuman, stupid, and will harm us in the end.
The "unwanted" by default is something I really struggled with. It really affected my mental health, because I felt worthless and hopeless, and it made a bunch of my old trauma flare up again. I had recurring nightmares of getting a mail from immigration that said I had somehow messed up and had 30 days to leave- because it happened to so many of my friends. I really felt like nothing I ever did would be good enough for me to stay in the country. Walking away was really hard. I tried every option to stay and fight. I'll be happy to return with EU rights, so that I can actually enjoy my time more instead of worrying so much!
Initially we planned to be separated while he finished his last semester, but I think he is planning on moving in the next two weeks, and finishing online :)
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We are both in the same boat. But I did RIBA Studio and now work as an architectural apprentice working towards part 2 exams. My education and experiences as a technologist strategically placed me. My advice for anyone wanting to get into architecture is to do an apprenticeship.
Thanks Katie for opening up this debate. As I understand it in the Netherlands, architects, engineers and Technologists enjoy the same basic course for the first two years and then specialise, (I could stand corrected). This means that Master courses are open to more candidates and upon completion entry into the different chartered institutes is easier. If this is correct and please let me know if it is, this means that with entry into the Dutch Institute of Architecture, this recognition is transferable to Denmark or any other country in the EU. Good luck and I know you will excel. Keep in touch.
Omg thank you so much for this video. I was supposed to study in Denmark at VIA College Architectural technology and now I know that it isn't what I am searching for. It helped a lot 🙂❤️
happy it could help!
Via University is accredited CIAT UK. You can also go in Sweden and become construction engineer with SBR
@@lucamorello5375 thanks for sharing, VIA seemed to have a better BATCM line than KEA when I was studying in Denmark. But there are the same challenges for students that want to be architects.
@@KathrynLarsen If you want a career in Building , like selfemployed , ciat.uk with via University can be good. You Will not an architect , but for me It Is no problem. Like site manager Is Better big infrastructure like construction engineer
@@lucamorello5375 definitely I agree! I just wanted to also be able to design.
I'm so sorry that it didn't work out as you hoped. I loved your entusiasme and showcasing of seaweed as a material :/
It's a bummer for sure- but I hope to come back in the future :)
I truly understand the pain of the system in Denmark in regards of the "title". Graduated same degree from Aarhus, and ended in the Netherlands as well, studying master's in architecture. I was surprised to see how open are they in terms of accepting people from different educational backgrounds. As a note, surprised that Sweden also reacted in such a way, I was accepted in Umea University for master's in architecture and urban planning. Anyway, good luck with your new chapter, TU Delft is a great university!
thank you Melisa!!
Hey, did you study ATCM at VIA?
Working as an Architectural Technologist in the UK, it's very similar to Denmark and not seen as a designer. Instead, handle design of construction and planning packs. Glad you enjoying Architecture now!
Thanks! Yes- but at least you are not cut off from doing a masters in Architecture, like you are in Denmark, which was the main point I was trying to make. The fields are seen as two separate things in Denmark, as opposed to a part of the same.
@@KathrynLarsen I studied Architectural Technology in Ireland and wasn't allowed do a masters in architecture. I had to start from undergrad level. I think Arch Tech is a really strong foundation but its odd its not integrated
@@doclacrosse39 oh strange- I guess maybe just in England or Scotland then? I agree- it is rather strange
you must try to translate your Danish qualification into the Spanish technical architect qualification which lasts 4 years. afterwards if you come to Italy or with other studies or only with practice you can become a civil engineer and architect. but remember if you transform yourself as a civil engineer to return to Denmark it is ok or you take the title as a European architect, but in construction in Italy it is not good. for the English title CIAT there is someone in Sweden as chartered
Is there any international uni in Copenhagen for only architecture?
Perhaps you can do your masters degree in english in architecture still at KADK or Arhus Arkitektskole, but they are closing every undergraduate line now in English for the most part due to political reasons from 2022. They may also eventually close masters degrees- so be on the lookout. Arts program support gets cut the fastest for international students.
Will you go back to Denmark after you finish your studies?
Yep but under EU family reunification laws so I have the freedom to live my life :) I hope at least!
Oh that sucks that you had to leave! I love your raven drawing! Did you published that book?
I did indeed :) You can read it for free here:
kathrynlarsen.com/chasinghygge
I applied to KEA this summer. I find this video a bit discouraging, even though I know that's not your intent.
I wanted to use the degree to come a building consultant. I want to work closely with investors, contractors, developers, tenants to provide buildings that are distinctive, sustainable and designed to meet user needs. I especially wanted to do this abroad from Denmark, specifically in Africa.
Have I applied for the wrong degree?
No I think this is the right degree for this. I wanted to be a designer and an academic after KEA so the degree limited me. But for building consultancy it's a fine degree. You won't learn though, how to design a building for end user needs though. Most of the time they give you floor plans and your main job is to just draw them up to be built. They don't really teach you about flow or how to construct a functional floor plan, or how to base your form on your site apart from orientation. That's considered for architecture only.
@@KathrynLarsen what do you mean by designer and end user needs?
@@cpd7172 you are taught everything technical and almost nothing spatial or experiential. Experimenting with building shape or interiors isn't the focus of the study, it's about detailing and managing construction and executing standard solutions. As a result most bygningskonstruktør I've met that call themselves architects don't usually create sensitive architectural designs, they tend to work with very practical box shapes.
Hello Kathryn my name is Juan, Im in Aarhus applying for a bachellor in Arch. tech and Constr. Management. I studied architecture in Argentina but i couldnt finish my bachellor because of country and family circunstances. And now im prying to find a study in this field that allows me to finish my education and finally be able to get a job in the Architecture/Construction/Design Field. so my question Would be how to achieve this. Im Italian so i have the EU citizenship that allows me to live and work and study in the EU. please if yiu have any advice i would love to hear it.
You can always do the architectural tech education and do a masters in architecture at Pollmi before coming back to Denmark. Wages are better in Denmark than in Italy. :)
@@KathrynLarsen Hello Kathryn I am in the 4th semester of ATCM at VIA in Aarhus. I am happy with the programm i am studyng. Do you know with certainty I can do a master in Architecture at Politecnico di Milano? Of course i would love to bt i am not sure. I sent a couple of emails to Polimilano but i did not get an answer. They just told me This is not where you should write to, we dont know where should you write to which is super weird. Could you refer me to someone who could help me with this through their own experience? what about yur experience doing a master in architecture in netherlands? I would like to come back to Denmark after my masters. do you know if I can work as an architect here after a master in architecture?
@@juantonello6589 hi Juan, yes you can work in Denmark as an architect after. Strange that you got that response- maybe just apply? I know 3 people personally who study there so if you send me a mail at kathrynelizabethlarsen@gmail.com I may be able to connect you. Otherwise TU Eindhoven with their bridging program might be an option.
Bittersweet. Some things work so well in Denmark and some things are making life so difficult.
completely agree! I know I'm not the only person that has struggled with these feelings.
In England UK, a Chartered Architectural Technologist is on the same level as an architect, they can design any building and start and complete any project without the need for an architect. As long as you are chartered you can do anything within a project.
Danish immigration system's pretty harsh. It's designed to keep "unwanteds" out at any cost, and you're "unwanted" by default. People with actual interest in being productive members of the country have to jump through hoops and over hurdles to check out a growing series of check boxes. Politicians say we will accept people with skills we need, but the bureaucratic system is so rigid and robotic that it's broken in practice. And every election this system becomes something you can point to and say "This is too lenient!" and get votes.
It's inhuman, stupid, and will harm us in the end.
The "unwanted" by default is something I really struggled with. It really affected my mental health, because I felt worthless and hopeless, and it made a bunch of my old trauma flare up again. I had recurring nightmares of getting a mail from immigration that said I had somehow messed up and had 30 days to leave- because it happened to so many of my friends. I really felt like nothing I ever did would be good enough for me to stay in the country. Walking away was really hard. I tried every option to stay and fight.
I'll be happy to return with EU rights, so that I can actually enjoy my time more instead of worrying so much!
Where did you study?
at KEA in Copenhagen :)
Did your husband go with you? I respect your decision to move to another place, even if it´s temporary.
Initially we planned to be separated while he finished his last semester, but I think he is planning on moving in the next two weeks, and finishing online :)