Any chance you'll do aliens from Battleship from THEIR PoV as geologist team stuck on the world of aggressive armed primitives, who lured them in by their signal only to attack them, after their communications ship crashed and they were forced to defend themselves with repurposed mining equipment like remote drills and mining charges?
Independence Day is indeed a thrilling movie. And as flawed as the sequel _Resurgence_ was, the cliff hanger at the end has me still partially wanting a movie, show, or video game detailing how the conflict against the Harvesters finally comes to an end. Oh, and American or not, Happy 4th of July to you all.
Resurgence wasn’t great, but I’d like to watch what humanity could do leading a counterattack. Or see what other races are hiding from the Harvesters. Normally Sci-Fi movies are hit and miss, but I’m hoping for a District 9/Edge of Tomorrow kind of depiction in terms of the production value.
Resurgence wasn’t great, but the ending got me interested. Would like to see a human led counterattack or alliance someday with the sphere races. At the very least I’d like to see what other races there are or their capabilities. I’m imagining an a Edge of Tomorrow level of production value.
The craziest thing about the City Destroyers is that their main weapon is essentially a scaled-down version of the Death Star Superlaser from Star Wars. Both function on the fact that the majority of matter is actually empty space in which the atoms that comprise it vibrate. Both weapons transfer energy filling up the space similar to how a balloon is filled with air. When the object being energized reaches capacity, a pulse is sent down the energy beam to overload that storage capacity violently. Thus the energy explodes outwards violently turning the object into a WMD.
yep though the most intresting part of harvester technology we never see there apparent UBER tractor beams they use to suk the metal cores outside of planets after using there weapons to crack open its surface.
Now that there's a actual story to the setting, it's too bad there won't be a 3rd film. The original didn't need a sequel in the first place - it was just dumb patriotic fun. The sequel was also dumb, but again, it was fun. I do hope there's some media made to follow through with the whole 'interplanetary coalition centered around _literally the only planet to survive two full-scale invasions'_ thing.
It was only a matter of time that this Faction gets chosen for this day. Happy 4th of July. Factions I would like to see next: 1. The Endless | Endless Space/Legends 2. The Empire of the Rising Sun | C&C: Red Alert 3 3. The Krill Theocracy | The Orville 4. The Office of Naval Intelligence | Halo 5. The Third Street Saints | Saint Row
@@WilliamMosicki-Nystrom Kinda. So long as its not illegal its fine. By the way, Microsoft has trademarked something called "Halo: The Endless"... But seriously I'd love to see a video on the Halo Endless from Templine.
Interesting Retcon that they want the core. This does explain why they might primarily go for Inhabited Planets - those tend to have the magnetic fields that life needs. But it might also be a way to preemptively clean out any life that might be a danger to them. If they were just after resources, low gravity asteroids, comets and moons tend to be better targets then a planet with _nuclear armed_ inhabitants.
Not to mention the sheer amount of rare metals and radioactive material found I side a magnetic field generating planetary core. The only place you could find more would be inside of gas giants. And I don't think the Harvesters have the tech to mine those just yet.
@@joshuahogan3475 or they do but they can get more faster from a planet core then a gas giant so they see it as worth the trouble, then when the human WON they saw them as a threat that needed dealt with
@@David-jt9nt gas giants tend to have metallic cores which produce powerful magnetic fields. This indicates they probably have absolutely MASSIVE amounts of rare earths and radioactive materials. Though it is possible they DO possess the tech and they DO harvest the gas giants...they just wait til after they finish the habitable planets. So as not to let on how hostile they actually are. 🤔
@@joshuahogan3475 true, ill counter idea tho what if they need it in a liquid form and the planet they can get it in that form without needing to waste energy to melting it OR and this one is more my speed what if they do it planet first so they don't show how they collect the gas giants
The coolest think about them was their Attacker aircraft. The intimidating appearance, the sounds of the weapons, and the awesome sound of the engines was so cool. I especially loved the sound of their engines/thrusters as they did flybys in the original 1996 film
Just watched the first movie again yesterday funnily enough. Interesting note: there was another ship type I saw trying to leave the mothership at the same time as Will Smith and Jeff Goldbloom. I assume those ships would have carried the ground forces.
Where I was working at the time, the owner of the small (~50 people) company tasked a coworker and I with going to the theater in town (not a mall multiplex.. single screen theater) during our shift, to wait in line and buy a pair of tickets for every employee. We got there at 11 and were 3rd and 4th in line. The box office opened at 2, and we secured the tickets. The owner had actually talked to the theater manager to let him know what was coming. Theater manager said we had to buy our tickets like everyone else (hence my mission), but her would block off 3 rows for us, and also arranged for popcorn and drinks for everyone. At 4, the business shut down. Babysitting was arranged for all who needed it. We got together at the restaurant next door to the theater and had a meal on the company. A few of us were sent over to stand in line, and we all got to see the 1st showing in that theater all courtesy of the business owner. And then the movie just blew us out of the water. What an incredible day.
I love that you managed to talk about Independence Day: Resurgence and make it look as an acceptable movie and plot. Although I agree that it ended with a very nice cliffhanger.
I'll never understand why Resurgence was panned so much. It built off of the original 1996 movie and expanded upon the Harvesters and their technologies. Plus it directly set up for a third film or something that can finally bring this story to a conclusion and see the outright defeat of the Harvesters and their universe-wide genocide.
I really, really hope they make another Independence Day movie! I'd love to see how this new phase of the war will play out. Also, Happy Independence Day
In a lot of ways the Alien Harvesters of the Independence Day franchise reminds me of the Xenomorphs from the Alien franchise where both alien species have a hive mind and work almost like colonial insects like ants and bees.
Despite how poorly the Movie was recieved, I actually really loved the Lore that Indepandance Day 2 gave the Harvesters. I loved how Humans touched by them were hooked into their Psychic Network, I loved how the Scientists guy survived, he was always funny and gave the movies his best both times. I loved the design of the Queen, I loved good Alien Ball, I really didnt expect Independance Day 2 to have a good Alien! I genuinely felt like Woody in Toy Story 2 saying "All right, next Episode!" when the Movie ended. There is one problem I have with the Lore, and that is, if the Sphere's Culture had superior technology to that of the Harvesters, why and how did the Sphere's get reduced down to a single individual? Did the Aliens of the Refugee Planet develop the Superior Technology? How has "No one ever Killed a Harvester Queen" when all you need to do is shoot down her Shield and blast her back to cause her Biosuit to open so she dies?? You can like a movie while admitting it has problems!
The Sphere people might be in similiar position as the Asgard in Stargate: have the best tech of all races, but either A)not enough of them (in Stargate's case, Asgard are dying due to genetic cloning mutations), or B) not adaptive enough d/t tech advance (same battle tactics time and again, and Harvesters adapted to them). This might become similar situation in Stargate where Asgard gifted all their knowledge and tech to Human/Tau'ri before mass suicide because Humans knows how to innovate with new tech (or in Jack O'Neill's word to thor, "we're too dumb to make the same mistake twice")
@@BigTymers1211 To add context, at the very end, the Scientists dude reveals that the Sphere has the blueprints for the superior technology on itself, "This is going to revolutionize everything about our science!" "You wont believe the weapons and technology that this thing has on its perverbial hard-drive!" "two words, Interstellar Travel!" - We actually see a bit of this at the start of the movie, with the Sphere appearing through a Wormhole. It can also be assumed that the Refugee Planet exists outside the Milky Way Galaxy, which is why the Harvesters could not find it.
Sphere is most likely an AI created by the alien species who were the first alien the Harvesters killed bcuz their technology could defeat them. The Harvesters had such advanced weapons and technology in beginning of their conquest that it stagnated cuz it was just too good that any innovations wasn't necessary. Other aliens were more advanced than humans but not as advanced as the Harvesters. Harvesters were like the Romans, and other aliens were like the Sassinids, Greeks, n Egyptians but humans were like the Germanic/Celtics tribes. Romans conquered "advanced" civilizations but couldn't conquer "barbaric" civilizations. Best analogy I can give.
there is also the chance that they didn't build on a mass scale, bc for non-nomadic people in space it's very VERY stupid to do that, so the Harvester's city killers were likely the size of their largest warships and with the mothership deploying city killers like fighters it's even more unlike the Sphere's had anything that was large enough to go toe-to-toe with them and they thought, if they have the downfall of not mastering their evolutionary tendencies, the only way to win was to try and match them by building a ship that was the same size and that is why in that clip of the home world attack there are 2 or 3 motherships attacking 1 planet
If you don't watch Independence Day every year on July 4th, are you really an American? EDIT: I always did love the Harvesters' appearance. It's similar to the commonly encountered Alien Grey but different enough to not be a direct rip off.
I wouldn't mind seeing more in the Independence Day Universe, but probably a weekly streaming show instead of a full movie (and its on Prime, so it could happen)
Deep lore on the "independence day universe" would be pretty cool actually. The ID universe has a lot of potential actually and is underrated a d would be a great series idea. It will also be nice to see humans reversing the alien invasion trope.
Independance Day as a documentary, always took a few liberties with the details of what transpired that day, but at least it's more historically accurate than Brave Heart.
they are a hivemind so there will never be one of them that tries to harm themselves or the hive so unlike with us they dont have nor need an antivirus or firewalls and it seems that their initial attack is so effective that no one ever tried to do what the humans did besides it was only possible because the humans were able to study their technology even for a brief time.
"I know there is much we can learn from one another if we could negotiate a truce. We can find a way to coexist. Can there be a peace between us?" "Peace? No peace." "What is it you want us to do?" "Die." - the first known dialogue between a human and a harvester.
I really wish Resurgence hadn't decided to go "even bigger ship". The vision on Earth where the windfall of alien technology meant we built anti-gravity ships and planetary defense systems based on their own weapons was a completely welcome surprise of world building: what it needed though was instead of having all that stuff destroyed in Act 2 was to have it be disabled or shutdown or *something* so the climax could be re-activating the planetary defenses and getting a "humanity, fuck yeah" moment where we just wreck their second fleet in space. Probably go with them counter-cyberattacking initially, then the alien AI turns up, some humans do a "we've been killing computer viruses since the 1970s" line with some very 90s nerds, the various militaries fight a big battle to protect the satellites and the aliens attack some cities to try and distract, and then the AI helps us turn all the defenses back on for some big finishing shots of ships of the original alien fleet getting shredded. Have a whole moment in there that the alien AI wants us to trust it so it can *do something* which turns out to be your big "and next" cliffhanger - it gets the location of all the Harvester fleets in the galaxy, plus a big weird thing they didn't know about (it's totally a Dyson sphere - there absolutely should be a Dyson sphere if you made a third movie).
Here's my idea for the third movie, (assuming that 20th Century doesn't decide to go Ghostbusters: Afterlife on us and gives us a whole new ID2, which truth be told I wouldn't mind) In the years after the second invasion, humanity has constructed a number of interstellar warships and has been testing them for several months (if not years) with the intention to send three carrier groups out of our solar system on the first extrasolar military action in human history. Their mission is to take the sphere, the fleet itself and a million plus troops to the Sanctuary planet that the sphere mentioned in Resurgence. The three carriers (called Enterprise, Hornet and Yorktown after the carriers from the Battle of Midway) are escorted by, in descending order from biggest to smallest, dreadnaughts, frigates, cruisers and interceptors, as well as troop transports, tankers and freighters. The carriers each carry several complements of fighters and bombers while the troop transports carry gunships and dropships for ground combat. This fleet, after months of grueling training exercises, is finally ready to begin its' mission and leaves Earth without incident and is well on its' way to the Sanctuary planet when members of the crew exposed to the Harvesters hive mind start having visions of a Harvester fleet similar to the one that attacked Earth in ID1 landing on an alien planet in a twin star system. The human fleet diverts its' course to head off the invasion. Upon arriving in the alien solar system, it is quickly discovered that the Harvesters are nearing completion of their invasion of this planet and have begun landing ground troops on both the planet itself and its' moons. The human fleet then begins its' counterattack by committing its' ground forces to stopping the invasion while the fleet attacks the mothership and its' destroyers and smaller support ships. This is just a rough outline of the story. Obviously, there'd be more details to it than just what I've listed here.
The storyline was just meh but I really love alien lifeform and advancing technology so that's what sold me to this film! I hope for a 3rd film to see the "superior technology" our little Sphere was talking about. I love the part that the refugee planet is equipped with energy field and armed satellites (probably the superior technology that can eradicate the harvester species) yet the sphere is still willing to sacrifice its existence for the greater good and the safety of the coalition.
There's also a 4th class size of ship, which lie between the Fighters and the City Destroyers, somewhere around Frigate or Cruiser size. It mainly comprises of two kinds of ships, City Sweepers that carpet bomb at a city block level, and Troop Transporters for ground deployment. I can only recall seeing the Troop Transporters in the 1996 movie, which can be seen leaving the mothership while the hijacked Fighter is making its escape near the end of the movie. Both these ships do however, make a significant appearance in the 1997 video game, which also had 3-4 different Fighter variants. This is all from the 1996 film, however, and I refuse to acknowledge anything from the sequel which I have all but erased from memory.
I'm 50 years old and I still occasionally play that game on my old PS2! Absolutely love that game! Wish some of the game elements were in the movies...especially the bada$$ BAC-R!
I'm not entirely clear why, but the two movies has me thinking of a darker Star Trek, where humans are brought into a galactic war because "F*ck the Prime Directive! All hands on deck! Even the primitives!" I'm sure someone will name a SCi-fi that is MUCH closer. "We will fight them. But we need your guns!"
If inhabited planets are anything like Earth then they would absolutely need a heavy metal rich core. A core that while primarily nickel and iron would have several tons of rare earths and radioactive elements. It makes total sense for a society built around harvesting every available resource to strip the most valuable elements from a world even if they are buried deep inside the core of that planet.
They may need oxygen as a resource as well which we got plenty of. Overall it's far far easier to mine a habital planet than it is a dead one. Most likely as well they deliberately target other civilisations as a self-preservation measure so that civilisation won't be a problem later if/when they start colonising other planets when they advance, contesting for resources. It all makes sense.
@@tristanbackup2536 they pass a lot more oxygen in our solar System alone while moving towards earth. Targeting purely inhabitat planets they make it ridiculously hard for themselves for no reason.
Independence Day Resurgence Reimagined could be a cool video, I remember a comment on reddit where someone imagined Humanity winning the second invasion but at the cost of losing the planet thus becoming part of a refugee coalition. I read that comment before Resurgence got released and I was surprised at how close that comment was from the actual ending of the movie.
We will not go quietly into the good night we will not vanish without a fight we're going to live on we're going to survive today we celebrate our independence day
Mankind is just like, "We may not have the technology, the infrastructure, the coordination, or really anything at all... but we have tenacity." And the alien coalition is like, "That's just what we needed. :-O."
Yeah, I need a request for The Templin Institute which one was Battle Girl High School's investigations as Irous and Hoshimori for the next year as April Fools 2023.
You know, I rather like the setting of Independence Day. It implies this large-scale Star Wars-style universe - presumably full of life, given how militarized the Harvesters are - where humanity has to adapt _very_ quickly to technology vastly ahead of its time. And while it can be a bit dumb, it's nice that it doesn't take itself too seriously. It's a shame it's limited by it's own formula.
Any chance you'll do aliens from Battleship from THEIR PoV as geologist team stuck on the world of aggressive armed primitives, who lured them in by their signal only to attack them, after their communications ship crashed and they were forced to defend themselves with repurposed mining equipment like remote drills and mining charges?
they attacked first then went out of there way too assault local comms data for there own gain I buy they were sent there as a "ehh you'll do" but that doesn't excuse there terrible conduct
@@marley7868 did they? Their comm ship was shot down by one of the primitive local orbital vessels, after that they found themselves in the middle of huge concentration of alien naval military vessels armed to the teeth. Am I wrong?
@@TheArklyte your right they then blasted a sonic weapon at them maybe that was an accident maybe that there just set too loud but at 50 wounded broken glass and maybe some deaths anyone is justified to open fire they screwed up at every point of this juncture edit: and you know if I accidentaly ruined a decade or so of work whose wreckage messed up a city I'd probably be alot more passive and be very very careful to make sure this was understood to have been a mistake
Being honest to Templin Institute, I think I love the Harvesters Civilization. I´m almost sure they never stop loving the girls/females of their civilization. IRL the Harvesters have Universal Rank.
The Templin Institute 520K subscribers President Thomas Whitmore: "I saw.... his thoughts. I saw what they're planning to do. They're like locusts. They're moving from planet to planet. Their whole civilization. After they've consumed every natural resource, they move on. And we're next." [before watching Major Mitchel shoots and kills the Alien Harvester Pilot] "Nuke em. Let's Nuke the bastards."
GReat video and one of the few places that looks at Si-Fi with out politics. I love it thank you and for the great research and work done on your video's!
Independence Day was a great movie, but when you move beyond the veneer of a cool summer movie and try to actually explain harvester doctrine you have to acknowledge the physics involved here. If the motherships had simply performed breaking maneuvers in order to slow their descent into the atmosphere…..They pretty much would’ve cooked all of the major cities they came to rest over anyway without needing to fire their ventral guns.
The risk is what you propose will leave a significant amount of survivors, potential recruits for military resistance. Also the braking maneuver is potentially risky for ships that size.
I think of all the sci-fi movies to ever be made. The ONE that we didn't need any expansion on was Independence Day, considering the whole THING is that it was just meant to be "aliens as mindless disaster movie" You guys elevate the material as usual, I just don't know why they're trying to make Independence Day a..."thing" for lack of a better term.
Oh, shut up! Just because you think that way, that did not means the producers of the film are forbidden of thinking otherwise. Me? I loved to see the lore of the film being expanded and I would love to see a sequel for Resurgence.
@@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 How about you shut up if you’re going to be a jerk about it? Resurgence was a crime against filmmaking. Boring story. Insanely boring cast. Fascinating backstory (like the Africa war) that was completely wasted. It took something that was cool and goofy at the same time and made it a truly bad joke, disrespecting most of the original characters in the process.
the second movie was a bit cliche, and had its poor moments but for a generic action flick it was fine. I still prefered the original but i do want to see the end game, so to speak. I hope that the less than stellar reviews havent killed that for good
Only a male harvester(who is trying to stop his sister and became a rebellion harvester until he sees his enlightenment when humanity kills him) can help them and sphere’s resistance to defeat the other queens (which one of them is his sister) during resistance-harvester war
id1: aliens attack and humanity fights back id2: aliens attack and humanity fights back with a little help id3: humans attack and aliens turn a few of them to fight back
Once again, the L.A.P.D. is asking Los Angelenos not to fire their guns at the visitor spacecraft. You may inadvertently trigger an interstellar war.
Not to mention how they have no range to reach aircraft sitting at 2+km and will only hurt citizens by raining bullets
@@ThePhantomFeline sadly Boys Vought has no connection to Chance-Vought:(
Moon Base Staff: "Sorry, can you repeat that in Chinese?"
**FIRES LAZER**
Any chance you'll do aliens from Battleship from THEIR PoV as geologist team stuck on the world of aggressive armed primitives, who lured them in by their signal only to attack them, after their communications ship crashed and they were forced to defend themselves with repurposed mining equipment like remote drills and mining charges?
can you compare them to the goauld
Independence Day is indeed a thrilling movie.
And as flawed as the sequel _Resurgence_ was, the cliff hanger at the end has me still partially wanting a movie, show, or video game detailing how the conflict against the Harvesters finally comes to an end.
Oh, and American or not, Happy 4th of July to you all.
Swiggity-Swoody, Humanity and the mini-Traveller are coming for that ALIEN ASS XD
but yeh I wouldnt mind a Independance Day 3.
Happy Fourth of July
Resurgence wasn’t great, but I’d like to watch what humanity could do leading a counterattack. Or see what other races are hiding from the Harvesters.
Normally Sci-Fi movies are hit and miss, but I’m hoping for a District 9/Edge of Tomorrow kind of depiction in terms of the production value.
If they could actually do it right that would be an amazing movie or show.
did hear Resurgence was going to be the first of three new films
“Hello boys… I’m back!”
Damn! You beat me to it!
Resurgence wasn’t great, but the ending got me interested. Would like to see a human led counterattack or alliance someday with the sphere races. At the very least I’d like to see what other races there are or their capabilities. I’m imagining an a Edge of Tomorrow level of production value.
Resurgence's setup was X-com.
The middle was Emmerichian maaturbation.
The end was good.
Same
Well I wouldn't get hopes up, it would be a nice thing though😺.
Does not even have to be a movie could be a multi series thing
The craziest thing about the City Destroyers is that their main weapon is essentially a scaled-down version of the Death Star Superlaser from Star Wars. Both function on the fact that the majority of matter is actually empty space in which the atoms that comprise it vibrate. Both weapons transfer energy filling up the space similar to how a balloon is filled with air. When the object being energized reaches capacity, a pulse is sent down the energy beam to overload that storage capacity violently. Thus the energy explodes outwards violently turning the object into a WMD.
yep though the most intresting part of harvester technology we never see there apparent UBER tractor beams they use to suk the metal cores outside of planets after using there weapons to crack open its surface.
Now that there's a actual story to the setting, it's too bad there won't be a 3rd film. The original didn't need a sequel in the first place - it was just dumb patriotic fun. The sequel was also dumb, but again, it was fun. I do hope there's some media made to follow through with the whole 'interplanetary coalition centered around _literally the only planet to survive two full-scale invasions'_ thing.
Humans are good at war.
Agreed
🤔 I was thinking similarly but as a animated series. Those are generally more fleshed out.
It was only a matter of time that this Faction gets chosen for this day. Happy 4th of July.
Factions I would like to see next:
1. The Endless | Endless Space/Legends
2. The Empire of the Rising Sun | C&C: Red Alert 3
3. The Krill Theocracy | The Orville
4. The Office of Naval Intelligence | Halo
5. The Third Street Saints | Saint Row
Correction 1. The Endless | Halo Infinite
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Man do you just hate it when Factions have the same names.
@@WilliamMosicki-Nystrom Kinda. So long as its not illegal its fine. By the way, Microsoft has trademarked something called "Halo: The Endless"...
But seriously I'd love to see a video on the Halo Endless from Templine.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 It's not illegal since the Endless from the Endless Space/Legends Universe came before the Endless from the Halo Universe.
The Rogue State | Top Gun Franchise
Interesting Retcon that they want the core. This does explain why they might primarily go for Inhabited Planets - those tend to have the magnetic fields that life needs. But it might also be a way to preemptively clean out any life that might be a danger to them.
If they were just after resources, low gravity asteroids, comets and moons tend to be better targets then a planet with _nuclear armed_ inhabitants.
Yep, destroy the magnetic field, and earth would wind up as lifeless as Mars.
Not to mention the sheer amount of rare metals and radioactive material found I side a magnetic field generating planetary core. The only place you could find more would be inside of gas giants. And I don't think the Harvesters have the tech to mine those just yet.
@@joshuahogan3475 or they do but they can get more faster from a planet core then a gas giant so they see it as worth the trouble, then when the human WON they saw them as a threat that needed dealt with
@@David-jt9nt gas giants tend to have metallic cores which produce powerful magnetic fields. This indicates they probably have absolutely MASSIVE amounts of rare earths and radioactive materials. Though it is possible they DO possess the tech and they DO harvest the gas giants...they just wait til after they finish the habitable planets. So as not to let on how hostile they actually are. 🤔
@@joshuahogan3475 true, ill counter idea tho what if they need it in a liquid form and the planet they can get it in that form without needing to waste energy to melting it OR and this one is more my speed what if they do it planet first so they don't show how they collect the gas giants
I really wish we could have seen the land war in Africa that was referenced in the second film, that would have been pretty cool.
It does make sense that some of these harvester. Aliens would have survived their ships and now have no choice but to engage in ground war
I'm most definitely in the minority but I actually liked Resurgence and I wouldn't mind a 3rd movie to finish the story
Same!
Agreed.
Resurgence isn’t a perfect movie, but it makes up for it by being actually quite entertaining
100% agree!
Agree!
The coolest think about them was their Attacker aircraft. The intimidating appearance, the sounds of the weapons, and the awesome sound of the engines was so cool. I especially loved the sound of their engines/thrusters as they did flybys in the original 1996 film
Would you say the same if they showed up
Just watched the first movie again yesterday funnily enough.
Interesting note: there was another ship type I saw trying to leave the mothership at the same time as Will Smith and Jeff Goldbloom. I assume those ships would have carried the ground forces.
That's right. They seemed to be just troop transports.
Where I was working at the time, the owner of the small (~50 people) company tasked a coworker and I with going to the theater in town (not a mall multiplex.. single screen theater) during our shift, to wait in line and buy a pair of tickets for every employee. We got there at 11 and were 3rd and 4th in line. The box office opened at 2, and we secured the tickets. The owner had actually talked to the theater manager to let him know what was coming. Theater manager said we had to buy our tickets like everyone else (hence my mission), but her would block off 3 rows for us, and also arranged for popcorn and drinks for everyone.
At 4, the business shut down. Babysitting was arranged for all who needed it. We got together at the restaurant next door to the theater and had a meal on the company. A few of us were sent over to stand in line, and we all got to see the 1st showing in that theater all courtesy of the business owner.
And then the movie just blew us out of the water. What an incredible day.
"HELLO BOYS! I'M BAAAAAAAACK!!"
In the words of my generation
UP YOURSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
Today, we celebrate our Independence Day!
Independence Day one of the best Sci Fi films ever made not to mention everyone united to beat a bigger threat Aleins.
Still one of the best pre battle speeches in film.
*Slaps the Alien pilot - Welcome to Erf!!
lol, he was practicing for Chris Rock XD
they say the devil always come after you at your highest moment...
I love that you managed to talk about Independence Day: Resurgence and make it look as an acceptable movie and plot. Although I agree that it ended with a very nice cliffhanger.
I'll never understand why Resurgence was panned so much.
It built off of the original 1996 movie and expanded upon the Harvesters and their technologies. Plus it directly set up for a third film or something that can finally bring this story to a conclusion and see the outright defeat of the Harvesters and their universe-wide genocide.
Because it was a bad movie.
@@MonkeySimius That doesn't help. You know that.
I really, really hope they make another Independence Day movie! I'd love to see how this new phase of the war will play out. Also, Happy Independence Day
Well, yes, because "today is July 4", but without aliens, they will probably arrive in 2036.
God I love watching this movie in early July.
In a lot of ways the Alien Harvesters of the Independence Day franchise reminds me of the Xenomorphs from the Alien franchise where both alien species have a hive mind and work almost like colonial insects like ants and bees.
Welcome to Earth
Now that's what I call a Close Encounter
Despite how poorly the Movie was recieved, I actually really loved the Lore that Indepandance Day 2 gave the Harvesters. I loved how Humans touched by them were hooked into their Psychic Network, I loved how the Scientists guy survived, he was always funny and gave the movies his best both times. I loved the design of the Queen, I loved good Alien Ball, I really didnt expect Independance Day 2 to have a good Alien! I genuinely felt like Woody in Toy Story 2 saying "All right, next Episode!" when the Movie ended.
There is one problem I have with the Lore, and that is, if the Sphere's Culture had superior technology to that of the Harvesters, why and how did the Sphere's get reduced down to a single individual? Did the Aliens of the Refugee Planet develop the Superior Technology? How has "No one ever Killed a Harvester Queen" when all you need to do is shoot down her Shield and blast her back to cause her Biosuit to open so she dies?? You can like a movie while admitting it has problems!
The Sphere people might be in similiar position as the Asgard in Stargate: have the best tech of all races, but either A)not enough of them (in Stargate's case, Asgard are dying due to genetic cloning mutations), or B) not adaptive enough d/t tech advance (same battle tactics time and again, and Harvesters adapted to them). This might become similar situation in Stargate where Asgard gifted all their knowledge and tech to Human/Tau'ri before mass suicide because Humans knows how to innovate with new tech (or in Jack O'Neill's word to thor, "we're too dumb to make the same mistake twice")
@@BigTymers1211 To add context, at the very end, the Scientists dude reveals that the Sphere has the blueprints for the superior technology on itself, "This is going to revolutionize everything about our science!" "You wont believe the weapons and technology that this thing has on its perverbial hard-drive!" "two words, Interstellar Travel!" - We actually see a bit of this at the start of the movie, with the Sphere appearing through a Wormhole. It can also be assumed that the Refugee Planet exists outside the Milky Way Galaxy, which is why the Harvesters could not find it.
Sphere is most likely an AI created by the alien species who were the first alien the Harvesters killed bcuz their technology could defeat them. The Harvesters had such advanced weapons and technology in beginning of their conquest that it stagnated cuz it was just too good that any innovations wasn't necessary. Other aliens were more advanced than humans but not as advanced as the Harvesters. Harvesters were like the Romans, and other aliens were like the Sassinids, Greeks, n Egyptians but humans were like the Germanic/Celtics tribes. Romans conquered "advanced" civilizations but couldn't conquer "barbaric" civilizations. Best analogy I can give.
“So what you’re saying is… you need someone dumber than you?”
“Well you came to the right place! :D “
there is also the chance that they didn't build on a mass scale, bc for non-nomadic people in space it's very VERY stupid to do that, so the Harvester's city killers were likely the size of their largest warships and with the mothership deploying city killers like fighters it's even more unlike the Sphere's had anything that was large enough to go toe-to-toe with them and they thought, if they have the downfall of not mastering their evolutionary tendencies, the only way to win was to try and match them by building a ship that was the same size and that is why in that clip of the home world attack there are 2 or 3 motherships attacking 1 planet
If you don't watch Independence Day every year on July 4th, are you really an American?
EDIT: I always did love the Harvesters' appearance. It's similar to the commonly encountered Alien Grey but different enough to not be a direct rip off.
That's was the point. It's why the aliens landed in Roswell and how they got the ship in Area 51 in the film...
I wouldn't mind seeing more in the Independence Day Universe, but probably a weekly streaming show instead of a full movie (and its on Prime, so it could happen)
Hello boys! I'm BAAAAACK!
Deep lore on the "independence day universe" would be pretty cool actually. The ID universe has a lot of potential actually and is underrated a d would be a great series idea.
It will also be nice to see humans reversing the alien invasion trope.
Independance Day as a documentary, always took a few liberties with the details of what transpired that day, but at least it's more historically accurate than Brave Heart.
Harvesters: Worst software of any alien military power.
When you're a hive mind race. Internal network security does tend to take a back seat .
they are a hivemind so there will never be one of them that tries to harm themselves or the hive so unlike with us they dont have nor need an antivirus or firewalls and it seems that their initial attack is so effective that no one ever tried to do what the humans did besides it was only possible because the humans were able to study their technology even for a brief time.
Why would a hive mind need virus security. They don't have hackers in their society.
BUT, best firepower!
@@robertgronewold3326 exactly.
Independence day was a fire movie, happy 4th of july boys
saying happy 4th of july when your country just had another shootings and just took away more basic human rights is pretty messed up
That was put together with great specificity and detail. Well done good folks.
Glad to see so many other people wanting a third film in the franchise to close off the story
Don't shoot that green shit at me!!
I love the lore of independence Day
Today we are cancelling the apocalypse! oh sorry wrong movie
In the words of my generation. UP YOURS!
I love these dives. Great job!
The Templin Institute should do a file concerning the Domination of the Draka.
"I know there is much we can learn from one another if we could negotiate a truce. We can find a way to coexist. Can there be a peace between us?"
"Peace? No peace."
"What is it you want us to do?"
"Die."
- the first known dialogue between a human and a harvester.
Dang, not surprised
I really wish Resurgence hadn't decided to go "even bigger ship". The vision on Earth where the windfall of alien technology meant we built anti-gravity ships and planetary defense systems based on their own weapons was a completely welcome surprise of world building: what it needed though was instead of having all that stuff destroyed in Act 2 was to have it be disabled or shutdown or *something* so the climax could be re-activating the planetary defenses and getting a "humanity, fuck yeah" moment where we just wreck their second fleet in space. Probably go with them counter-cyberattacking initially, then the alien AI turns up, some humans do a "we've been killing computer viruses since the 1970s" line with some very 90s nerds, the various militaries fight a big battle to protect the satellites and the aliens attack some cities to try and distract, and then the AI helps us turn all the defenses back on for some big finishing shots of ships of the original alien fleet getting shredded. Have a whole moment in there that the alien AI wants us to trust it so it can *do something* which turns out to be your big "and next" cliffhanger - it gets the location of all the Harvester fleets in the galaxy, plus a big weird thing they didn't know about (it's totally a Dyson sphere - there absolutely should be a Dyson sphere if you made a third movie).
Here's my idea for the third movie, (assuming that 20th Century doesn't decide to go Ghostbusters: Afterlife on us and gives us a whole new ID2, which truth be told I wouldn't mind)
In the years after the second invasion, humanity has constructed a number of interstellar warships and has been testing them for several months (if not years) with the intention to send three carrier groups out of our solar system on the first extrasolar military action in human history. Their mission is to take the sphere, the fleet itself and a million plus troops to the Sanctuary planet that the sphere mentioned in Resurgence. The three carriers (called Enterprise, Hornet and Yorktown after the carriers from the Battle of Midway) are escorted by, in descending order from biggest to smallest, dreadnaughts, frigates, cruisers and interceptors, as well as troop transports, tankers and freighters. The carriers each carry several complements of fighters and bombers while the troop transports carry gunships and dropships for ground combat.
This fleet, after months of grueling training exercises, is finally ready to begin its' mission and leaves Earth without incident and is well on its' way to the Sanctuary planet when members of the crew exposed to the Harvesters hive mind start having visions of a Harvester fleet similar to the one that attacked Earth in ID1 landing on an alien planet in a twin star system. The human fleet diverts its' course to head off the invasion. Upon arriving in the alien solar system, it is quickly discovered that the Harvesters are nearing completion of their invasion of this planet and have begun landing ground troops on both the planet itself and its' moons. The human fleet then begins its' counterattack by committing its' ground forces to stopping the invasion while the fleet attacks the mothership and its' destroyers and smaller support ships.
This is just a rough outline of the story. Obviously, there'd be more details to it than just what I've listed here.
I unironically love Independence Day and other big Roland Emmerich disaster films.
The storyline was just meh but I really love alien lifeform and advancing technology so that's what sold me to this film! I hope for a 3rd film to see the "superior technology" our little Sphere was talking about. I love the part that the refugee planet is equipped with energy field and armed satellites (probably the superior technology that can eradicate the harvester species) yet the sphere is still willing to sacrifice its existence for the greater good and the safety of the coalition.
There's also a 4th class size of ship, which lie between the Fighters and the City Destroyers, somewhere around Frigate or Cruiser size. It mainly comprises of two kinds of ships, City Sweepers that carpet bomb at a city block level, and Troop Transporters for ground deployment. I can only recall seeing the Troop Transporters in the 1996 movie, which can be seen leaving the mothership while the hijacked Fighter is making its escape near the end of the movie. Both these ships do however, make a significant appearance in the 1997 video game, which also had 3-4 different Fighter variants. This is all from the 1996 film, however, and I refuse to acknowledge anything from the sequel which I have all but erased from memory.
I'm 50 years old and I still occasionally play that game on my old PS2! Absolutely love that game! Wish some of the game elements were in the movies...especially the bada$$ BAC-R!
I really did not see this coming full thumbs up.
I'm not entirely clear why, but the two movies has me thinking of a darker Star Trek, where humans are brought into a galactic war because "F*ck the Prime Directive! All hands on deck! Even the primitives!" I'm sure someone will name a SCi-fi that is MUCH closer.
"We will fight them. But we need your guns!"
It’s like Stellaris’ colossus being thwarted twice by primitives. Galactic community must be laughing at the Harvesters right now.
They could literally strip mine any planet they want to but have a specific taste for the very few which are inhabitat :D
If inhabited planets are anything like Earth then they would absolutely need a heavy metal rich core. A core that while primarily nickel and iron would have several tons of rare earths and radioactive elements. It makes total sense for a society built around harvesting every available resource to strip the most valuable elements from a world even if they are buried deep inside the core of that planet.
I could only guess that these few planets have abundant resources of the kind that make life possible, and maybe those are the ones that they desire.
They may need oxygen as a resource as well which we got plenty of. Overall it's far far easier to mine a habital planet than it is a dead one. Most likely as well they deliberately target other civilisations as a self-preservation measure so that civilisation won't be a problem later if/when they start colonising other planets when they advance, contesting for resources. It all makes sense.
@@tristanbackup2536 they pass a lot more oxygen in our solar System alone while moving towards earth.
Targeting purely inhabitat planets they make it ridiculously hard for themselves for no reason.
Independence Day Resurgence Reimagined could be a cool video, I remember a comment on reddit where someone imagined Humanity winning the second invasion but at the cost of losing the planet thus becoming part of a refugee coalition. I read that comment before Resurgence got released and I was surprised at how close that comment was from the actual ending of the movie.
Remember, kids, use antivirus software. The Harvesters didn’t.
We will not go quietly into the good night we will not vanish without a fight we're going to live on we're going to survive today we celebrate our independence day
In the words of a prior generation... Up YOOOOOUUUUURRRRRSSSSS!
Mankind is just like, "We may not have the technology, the infrastructure, the coordination, or really anything at all... but we have tenacity." And the alien coalition is like, "That's just what we needed. :-O."
Good god I finished watching its last film 30 min ago before templin's publish. We are being controlled for sure :)
Nice video, I don't why but the harvesters always reminded me of the formics from enders game, of which you should totally do a video of
Yeah, I need a request for The Templin Institute which one was Battle Girl High School's investigations as Irous and Hoshimori for the next year as April Fools 2023.
I want a third movie in this franchise
Happy Independence Day everyone! 🇺🇸
A series that fallow humanity going to the starts after the films could fallow the mind sets of Humans are Space Orc stories.
The Lego UFO (97) theme is based on the Harvesters from this movie. 🤩
Frrreeedddooommmmmm
You know, I rather like the setting of Independence Day. It implies this large-scale Star Wars-style universe - presumably full of life, given how militarized the Harvesters are - where humanity has to adapt _very_ quickly to technology vastly ahead of its time. And while it can be a bit dumb, it's nice that it doesn't take itself too seriously. It's a shame it's limited by it's own formula.
I wished they made a third one just to see how we take out The Harvesters once for all and establish The Great Interstellar Human Empire
Independence Day: Liberators
Because the galaxy needs freedom HFY style.
Closest we'll get is roland emmerichs new game call space nation
“Today, We celebrate our Independence Day!”
WHAT, an astonoshing coincidence, im watching the film RIGHT NOW, whalst studying them on my phone. AMAZING!!!!!
Any chance you'll do aliens from Battleship from THEIR PoV as geologist team stuck on the world of aggressive armed primitives, who lured them in by their signal only to attack them, after their communications ship crashed and they were forced to defend themselves with repurposed mining equipment like remote drills and mining charges?
they attacked first then went out of there way too assault local comms data for there own gain I buy they were sent there as a "ehh you'll do" but that doesn't excuse there terrible conduct
@@marley7868 did they? Their comm ship was shot down by one of the primitive local orbital vessels, after that they found themselves in the middle of huge concentration of alien naval military vessels armed to the teeth. Am I wrong?
@@TheArklyte they crashed into a satellite…
@@TheArklyte your right they then blasted a sonic weapon at them maybe that was an accident maybe that there just set too loud but at 50 wounded broken glass and maybe some deaths anyone is justified to open fire they screwed up at every point of this juncture
edit: and you know if I accidentaly ruined a decade or so of work whose wreckage messed up a city I'd probably be alot more passive and be very very careful to make sure this was understood to have been a mistake
@@Zadrias6386 and fell into the middle of the biggest military exercises on the globe. Both extremely convenient and known to us from OUR perspective.
My favorite bad movie…thanks for reminding me to watch it later!
It be awesome if they do make a 3rd movie seeing us attack them like they did to us on this day
Maybe they should let you direct a small series about the post months of 1996. Maybe you could revive a series
Hello boys! I’m baaaack!
Being honest to Templin Institute, I think I love the Harvesters Civilization. I´m almost sure they never stop loving the girls/females of their civilization. IRL the Harvesters have Universal Rank.
As far as I can remember, they were called the Locusts in the first film..
Resurgence should've ended with humanity keeping that cool mothership.
Imagine them encasing the entire Earth in armor built from its hull.
I should have checked earlier to catch this on the actual 4th haha.
Also, would love to see a video on the Lensmen Universe here.
I bet they also have an "Empress" Queen above all queens, bigger, smarter, and more powerful and terrifying than them all.
US Bank Tower is my favorite scene 🛸🌇 5:14
My favorite movie….
Finally!
And happy Independence Day!
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520K subscribers President Thomas Whitmore: "I saw.... his thoughts. I saw what they're planning to do. They're like locusts. They're moving from planet to planet. Their whole civilization. After they've consumed every natural resource, they move on. And we're next." [before watching Major Mitchel shoots and kills the Alien Harvester Pilot] "Nuke em. Let's Nuke the bastards."
GReat video and one of the few places that looks at Si-Fi with out politics. I love it thank you and for the great research and work done on your video's!
Excellent! This would make a great series!
Independence Day was a great movie, but when you move beyond the veneer of a cool summer movie and try to actually explain harvester doctrine you have to acknowledge the physics involved here. If the motherships had simply performed breaking maneuvers in order to slow their descent into the atmosphere…..They pretty much would’ve cooked all of the major cities they came to rest over anyway without needing to fire their ventral guns.
The risk is what you propose will leave a significant amount of survivors, potential recruits for military resistance. Also the braking maneuver is potentially risky for ships that size.
Independence Day 3 was like Half Life 3 of feature-length Movies
Thank you the Video and the English subtitle.
I think of all the sci-fi movies to ever be made. The ONE that we didn't need any expansion on was Independence Day, considering the whole THING is that it was just meant to be "aliens as mindless disaster movie"
You guys elevate the material as usual, I just don't know why they're trying to make Independence Day a..."thing" for lack of a better term.
Oh, shut up! Just because you think that way, that did not means the producers of the film are forbidden of thinking otherwise. Me? I loved to see the lore of the film being expanded and I would love to see a sequel for Resurgence.
@@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 How about you shut up if you’re going to be a jerk about it? Resurgence was a crime against filmmaking. Boring story. Insanely boring cast. Fascinating backstory (like the Africa war) that was completely wasted. It took something that was cool and goofy at the same time and made it a truly bad joke, disrespecting most of the original characters in the process.
Love the implication that they seem to exclusively target inhabited worlds over others
Some lore into why would be interesting
I legit just watched this movie for the first time. What a blast!
Happy Independence Day
man i would love to see independence day 3
Jeff Goldblum is a international treasure and must be protected at all cost
Sorry I can't hear you aliens I'm here trying to spread my freedom
ironically muricans are one of the least free developed nations lol
the second movie was a bit cliche, and had its poor moments but for a generic action flick it was fine. I still prefered the original but i do want to see the end game, so to speak. I hope that the less than stellar reviews havent killed that for good
As long as we have MacBooks and low yield nukes, we can beat off all their moon sized ships.
this may be the first introduction video that has no formal flag…we are witnessing history indeed.
Now the biggest question is just this how do we fix Independence Day 2 or do we just revamp the into a more coherent series?
Only a male harvester(who is trying to stop his sister and became a rebellion harvester until he sees his enlightenment when humanity kills him) can help them and sphere’s resistance to defeat the other queens (which one of them is his sister) during resistance-harvester war
id1: aliens attack and humanity fights back
id2: aliens attack and humanity fights back with a little help
id3: humans attack and aliens turn a few of them to fight back
Damn, and so it can also be.
As a veteran of the War of 96 i approve.
"HELLO BOYS, I'M BACK!"
Been expecting this one since the last Independence Day video and especially on Fourth of July.
Anyway, happy Fourth of July. (Salute)
yeah happy fourth of july, murica just had a few shootings and just took away more basic human rights, so much to be happy about
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