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If you take the increased movement speed while countering, it gives you a lot of room to advance while countering so you can follow up with close up hits after countering. That gives you extra potential even if you don't land any hits (assuming the movement speed doesn't let you get in range to counter too).
Was using a similar loadout yesterday on Sewers. Took out a full health(no shield) torvald with only counters . He didnt even realize it until it was happening. Characters with large pools of ammo are the worst affected by this loadout
I made a loadout for this legendary in mind, I used the card that heals you by 400, incresed the speed of billow by 40%, the card that allows kills to reduce the cooldown of billow by 50% and some filler cards. I play him flanking, hitting people from behind and as they turn and start firing at me, I counter. And sometimes I just throw myself in the fight, atract attention and use counter and then I just get out of there with billow. Also, I think that the card that increases the duration of counteris kind of unnecessary, once people will just ignore the counter.
Here's the Loadout that I use with Retaliation (remember I use it to assist other champs): Master Stance IV - Increase the duration of Counter by 1s. (More time to block attacks, wait for other cooldowns) Perfect Block III - Successfully Countering an attack will Heal you for 300 health. (Healing! :D) Up in Smoke II - Increase the Speed of Billow by 20%. (Run away faster) Fan the Flames II - Kills reduce the cooldown of Billow by 50%. (It explains itself) Wild Fire I - Reduce the cooldown of Whirl by 0.5s for every enemy hit. or Blade Dance I - Increase the Distance of Whirl by 15%. Well that's it. Tell me if I need some tweaking or tell me your loadout, I would appreciate it!!
That can definitely work on Smurfino, you know, when you're playing casual or low elo games, but it barely works on regular games, unless there's that random newbie, or a Viktor, Ruckus and Tyra who are more likely to recklessly shoot at you. Also works well with Barik, since you can heal on his turrets basically. I hardly recommend any loadouts that relies on your enemies's behavior rather than your own skill.
Watch the video, I cover all of that. Pretty much the whole point, the loadout is a 'fun' one, scales down with skill but there are ways to force your counter especially in point brawls and breaking through chokes. Also, I did play against cogcog/fisheko in flashpoint in this video who are maybe 3rd/4th seed EU competitively and they even fed the counter. Ninukuki and Sizze have played in quite a few tournies too in the Ice Mines game.
Yeah i saw that, i said that because i have a deck that's pretty much the same and just wanted to give people a heads up about this deck's usability. I still use it anyways =P.
Now I should not be put with people who just started, but since this is a free champion's weekend then anyone can play anything, so this one Zhin would use billow and just sit there.
Joshino, Perfect Block III is enough, and I think using up in the smoke and fan the flames is good for escape. And I won all ranked 2.0 with Zhin. My loadout can also 1V5 on the objective to get time for teammates. I got to Gold V from Bronze II today.
Zhin could honestly be great and even be viable in high elo because he has such high sustain and survivability with a huge projectile hitbox, but the fact that in between skills is frustrating makes him not. If you're well up against prominent and known skilled players in your region, then you might want to build your deck around billow more than counter 'coz players in that margin would just leave you be in your counter. Oh and just take Smolder as your legendary in that case. In other cases, you can have this build like Joshino's for fun and like he said it's great for champs with auto rifles and consistent damage output.
I have an idea for a new champion a female elf/ninja which lives in the forrest and uses leaves and vines for clothes. And her weapon is a vine with a stick with a big Thorn on it like ninja use but in nature stile. And she can also set traps using her knowlage about nature like a trap when activated makes them get stuck in thorn vines and dealing small damage over time. And the next attack could be like a nature stun bomb like the deku nuts from zelda. And as her escape she use the vines around her arms to anyway you want but when you look in the air you move slower then when you aim for the ground. And for her ult she can use the vines around her arm as whips with and spins around and when she uses it she also pulls enemies closer.
12:32 A guy named *xXTAILOOONXx* seems to dislike your playstyle for some reason. To be honest, this seems to be an excellent gateway flank structure for those who are used to play in-your-face attackers. Good video, and good idea to make this Legendary enjoyable.
I've been using a build like this ever since Zhin was released. Some people just don't stop hitting you. I've gotten top play a couple of times already with people hitting me. Really good against a Ruckus ultimate.
thanks to myth busters and joshinos deck I can block skyes ult right now on this patch but it's rarely will happen but for other projectiles there's a possibility that you can counter it..
Good Zhin players block attacks before the enemy attacks them, but the best players counter a split second before they get hit to make sure they dont go countering and have the enemy ignore them.
This deck is very effective against spammers (viktor, skye, tyra, fernando, torvald, ruckus...) and gives you more secs to counter ultimates. Still, Zhin needs some fixes before be competitive. Veteran players will try to don't attack you on counter attack mode, so 3 secs is too much (Androx have 1,4 secs on reverse btw), any other cards like Hideout or Up in smoke will help you a lot.
imagine this; ruckus uses ult in a narrow passage. You jump in front of him and use counter. Ruckus just wasted his ult cause he cant fire at your teammates anymore.
Retaliation should be in his kit, not as a legendary card, because Counter doesnt have any use and its weak. Maybe they can change Retaliation card with a legendary with which you can jump with Billow or whirl upwards or backwards, like Cassies Dodge Roll ability!
Try an assassin zhin Turn invisible then sneak up behind an enemy and kill them use the card that resets your billow by 25% and make sure that it's Lvl 4 to make it a full reset then use billow and run away
I'm going with legendary with the heal billo, 50% billo reduction cooldown on eliminations and reload speed. Kill, heal, kill, heal... Billo is too good to pass. Average or better players are not that stupid to shoot when countering. But I do hate when a stupid Victor is shooting Zhin counter while I'm tanking. My HP melts.
how to counter this zhin. he's blocking but at the same time he's hitting AND healing? It's very confusing and idk how to counter it with my cassie/evie
Okay this is what Zhin will be. Since most of his abilities makes him feel like Yasuo in League of Legends he'll take this role. Annoying to play against in low to mid elo but easy to handle at high elo and will never see the light of day in competitive play. On top of that when there is a ban system he'll be banned in 75% of the games. On a side note he's bugged. Enemies can not see the projectile when it leaves Zhin's blade and it only appears when it is ABOUT to hit the object in front.
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Very noice edited video!
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If you take the increased movement speed while countering, it gives you a lot of room to advance while countering so you can follow up with close up hits after countering. That gives you extra potential even if you don't land any hits (assuming the movement speed doesn't let you get in range to counter too).
Was using a similar loadout yesterday on Sewers. Took out a full health(no shield) torvald with only counters . He didnt even realize it until it was happening.
Characters with large pools of ammo are the worst affected by this loadout
Nice, I'll be trying that load out
Kash, its time to praise snek (0+0)
Been using a counter build for a while now. It's a blast! Level 14 Zhin atm
I subscribed.He answered all of the questions i needed about Zhin and what loadouts are good for me to be a good player.👍🏽👍🏽
Fantastic video! Keep it up!
*Title is a LotR reference*
*Build is a Star Wars reference*
Zhin is my favourite flank
BofTheB this guy is so much fun
love your content man. don't stop doing what you do.
I made a loadout for this legendary in mind, I used the card that heals you by 400, incresed the speed of billow by 40%, the card that allows kills to reduce the cooldown of billow by 50% and some filler cards. I play him flanking, hitting people from behind and as they turn and start firing at me, I counter. And sometimes I just throw myself in the fight, atract attention and use counter and then I just get out of there with billow. Also, I think that the card that increases the duration of counteris kind of unnecessary, once people will just ignore the counter.
I literally don't have enough essence to build the loadout :(
RABBLE RABBLE - Insert Essence rant here!
essence is lyfe, if we no have, u die
have you tried doing the tutorial? it gives a lot of essence
How much essence does it give?
Same
The Billow build has made me nearly unstoppable in 1v1 duels...
Thanks this will come in handy against maeve and buck in onslaught.
Here's the Loadout that I use with Retaliation (remember I use it to assist other champs):
Master Stance IV - Increase the duration of Counter by 1s. (More time to block attacks, wait for other cooldowns)
Perfect Block III - Successfully Countering an attack will Heal you for 300 health. (Healing! :D)
Up in Smoke II - Increase the Speed of Billow by 20%. (Run away faster)
Fan the Flames II - Kills reduce the cooldown of Billow by 50%. (It explains itself)
Wild Fire I - Reduce the cooldown of Whirl by 0.5s for every enemy hit.
or
Blade Dance I - Increase the Distance of Whirl by 15%.
Well that's it. Tell me if I need some tweaking or tell me your loadout, I would appreciate it!!
7:56 . What a rude self promotion :D
Chavsberry Gaming ooh i love your vids
BTW, I have 2 decks like this, and I had a sword fight and made an ulting makoa focus me twice. Was pretty fun.
That can definitely work on Smurfino, you know, when you're playing casual or low elo games, but it barely works on regular games, unless there's that random newbie, or a Viktor, Ruckus and Tyra who are more likely to recklessly shoot at you. Also works well with Barik, since you can heal on his turrets basically.
I hardly recommend any loadouts that relies on your enemies's behavior rather than your own skill.
Watch the video, I cover all of that. Pretty much the whole point, the loadout is a 'fun' one, scales down with skill but there are ways to force your counter especially in point brawls and breaking through chokes. Also, I did play against cogcog/fisheko in flashpoint in this video who are maybe 3rd/4th seed EU competitively and they even fed the counter. Ninukuki and Sizze have played in quite a few tournies too in the Ice Mines game.
Yeah i saw that, i said that because i have a deck that's pretty much the same and just wanted to give people a heads up about this deck's usability. I still use it anyways =P.
:)
Joshino I'm banned from ur server :(. I accidentally didn't read a msg from Xrevy cos he didn't tag me and then I got banned
Now I should not be put with people who just started, but since this is a free champion's weekend then anyone can play anything, so this one Zhin would use billow and just sit there.
Joshino, Perfect Block III is enough, and I think using up in the smoke and fan the flames is good for escape.
And I won all ranked 2.0 with Zhin.
My loadout can also 1V5 on the objective to get time for teammates.
I got to Gold V from Bronze II today.
Yo thanks I tried the retaliation loadout and using the retaliation legendary card and it was so helpful I was rekting tanks!
Zhin could honestly be great and even be viable in high elo because he has such high sustain and survivability with a huge projectile hitbox, but the fact that in between skills is frustrating makes him not. If you're well up against prominent and known skilled players in your region, then you might want to build your deck around billow more than counter 'coz players in that margin would just leave you be in your counter. Oh and just take Smolder as your legendary in that case. In other cases, you can have this build like Joshino's for fun and like he said it's great for champs with auto rifles and consistent damage output.
Countering Barik's ultimate turret and killing him in 1 second is the best feeling ever
Hopefully they will fix zhin's buggy counter at the next patch so this counter loadout would be effective 100%
I have an idea for a new champion a female elf/ninja which lives in the forrest and uses leaves and vines for clothes. And her weapon is a vine with a stick with a big Thorn on it like ninja use but in nature stile. And she can also set traps using her knowlage about nature like a trap when activated makes them get stuck in thorn vines and dealing small damage over time. And the next attack could be like a nature stun bomb like the deku nuts from zelda. And as her escape she use the vines around her arms to anyway you want but when you look in the air you move slower then when you aim for the ground. And for her ult she can use the vines around her arm as whips with and spins around and when she uses it she also pulls enemies closer.
What do you guys think about it
chris van de hee seems pretty good
make a thread on the forms in the paladins official website under gameplay suggestion
Here is a link to the form where i put it if anyone wants to react to it
chris van de hee umm, where?
oops forgot forums.paladins.com/showthread.php?45659-Idea-for-a-new-champion&p=281199#post281199
Is no one else going to mention the amazing Zhin ult at 5:53?
12:32 A guy named *xXTAILOOONXx* seems to dislike your playstyle for some reason.
To be honest, this seems to be an excellent gateway flank structure for those who are used to play in-your-face attackers. Good video, and good idea to make this Legendary enjoyable.
we need a darth vader skin for zhin[imagine the counter animation with light saber] and stormtrooper skin for viktor
Lee Owen its DARTH Vader
Lee Owen lol hi rez gonna get copyright sue so hard 😂😂😂
they have Gundam skin Haweye skin so... hi rez is creative enough to avoid copy right
13:00 that ult though
I've been using a build like this ever since Zhin was released. Some people just don't stop hitting you. I've gotten top play a couple of times already with people hitting me. Really good against a Ruckus ultimate.
but yea give it time. ppl are gonna learn not to hit u when ur in counter stance
Im gonna try this out, RIP my essence
Funny load out, specially on the Primal Court map ^^
thanks to myth busters and joshinos deck
I can block skyes ult right now on this patch
but it's rarely will happen
but for other projectiles there's a possibility that you can counter it..
Praying that they patch away Zhin's insane animation delays.
Good Zhin players block attacks before the enemy attacks them, but the best players counter a split second before they get hit to make sure they dont go countering and have the enemy ignore them.
It's 5 am in my country. what am I doing with my life?
This deck is very effective against spammers (viktor, skye, tyra, fernando, torvald, ruckus...) and gives you more secs to counter ultimates. Still, Zhin needs some fixes before be competitive. Veteran players will try to don't attack you on counter attack mode, so 3 secs is too much (Androx have 1,4 secs on reverse btw), any other cards like Hideout or Up in smoke will help you a lot.
Im glad that I'm actually using the same loadout rn xD
12:30 why was drogoz so mad?
Joshino, please make a video on the Evie changes in OB53
master stance IV was removed for some stupid reason and its now just "master stance"
I focused my Zhin deck more arround billow, and quite enjoy it
Haha. I made a deck similar in the instant zhin came to the game xD Now every one Will have a similar deck ;--;
Can i have an early lag compensation fix on.. everything, thx
12:30 LMAO LOOK AT THE CHAT XD "fuck you zhin"
I use this loadout from the beginning. When Zhin got released I built that loadout XD. It's exactly the same as yours
Fun fact! Zhin's block will stop Drogoz Special in it tracks.
holy moly im not sure if i should be happy about this...
I recommend card that allows you to move faster in counter. When they don't shoot you you can get out of fight.
And speed on billow. Billow is kinda slow
can you make a video of what ultimate can zhin counter?
I'm not good as a counter player. I noticed that while trying Ninjara.
12:30 Hmm..... that Drogoz did not go to the toilet before start the game :)
In my lodout I pointed a lot on billow, using legendary card too. Now I'm immortal :D
love yaaa
what do you ise to record joshin0?
Did that lex get a penta on the snow map onslaught
Zhin guide PogChamp.
You shouldn't use Master Stance 4. You can have a max of 5 procs with Counter. 0.75 seconds (III) and 1 second (IV) both have a max of 5.
It's because of the long animations. Maybe if IV had about .1 more seconds, it can get to 6.
did you know zhin can block ultimate another zhin or if you have good timeing even dragoz ult
Josh its summer!! Bring on the live streams 🖒🖒
Barik's turrets act as enemy spotters for me.
Jokes on you, Zhin's a Sith. 😂
lLOL
7:56 Loool daniel berry
How many subsquent counter can he do? I only see 4, can he do more?
imagine this; ruckus uses ult in a narrow passage. You jump in front of him and use counter. Ruckus just wasted his ult cause he cant fire at your teammates anymore.
you. ould counter bk's ult right???
Loved the greatest
Retaliation should be in his kit, not as a legendary card, because Counter doesnt have any use and its weak. Maybe they can change Retaliation card with a legendary with which you can jump with Billow or whirl upwards or backwards, like Cassies Dodge Roll ability!
Does anyone know when OB52 is out on console?
You play very nice GG
What is the legendary card?
Try an assassin zhin
Turn invisible then sneak up behind an enemy and kill them use the card that resets your billow by 25% and make sure that it's Lvl 4 to make it a full reset then use billow and run away
I'm going with legendary with the heal billo, 50% billo reduction cooldown on eliminations and reload speed.
Kill, heal, kill, heal... Billo is too good to pass. Average or better players are not that stupid to shoot when countering.
But I do hate when a stupid Victor is shooting Zhin counter while I'm tanking. My HP melts.
how to counter this zhin. he's blocking but at the same time he's hitting AND healing? It's very confusing and idk how to counter it with my cassie/evie
Lucas Krijgsman just stop shooting
hi josh when androu kills zhin he will say This doesn't count i think that there is some thing betwen them
I have whirls max cool down to just be a fruit grinder when everyone join in mid
I bet 9/10 Zhin players refer to this vid and other joshino vids to build their decks
My friend actually built this before the vid came out. Like, a week before, almost
I don't have enough essence to buy the legendary card
i laughed so hard at 7:54
that moment when the quality is still 360p
Try this with a Friendly ruckus in enemy team... Profit?
Its like genji deflect
What do you mean by "fall damage"?
KingChickenwing when you just from somewhere that is tall, you take damage
My game winnig tactic i just run into 4 or 5 enemys use counter fce them and boom 4 dead 1 to go
zhin looks like more dmg type than flank type
Okay this is what Zhin will be.
Since most of his abilities makes him feel like Yasuo in League of Legends he'll take this role. Annoying to play against in low to mid elo but easy to handle at high elo and will never see the light of day in competitive play. On top of that when there is a ban system he'll be banned in 75% of the games. On a side note he's bugged. Enemies can not see the projectile when it leaves Zhin's blade and it only appears when it is ABOUT to hit the object in front.
This build also buys up time.
Can Zhin counter drogoz Ulti?
CHNCH SCHD yes
you read it zen not jin
Nitification Squid!
Ink you very much.
jin?
I didn't understand why every one shooting me and i'm just can counter one shot
There is a legendary card that makes you counter more than once, you must use that or you can only counter 1 times
Just me that is having a bug with the counter?
Tiago Marx there is a legendary card for counter so it can counter more hits
żin?
not enough essence lol....
Hello Genji
7:54
im leaving games it was fun but i got to get my life in my hands i gotta be healty sexy and bigggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg afffff lean affff
Can't wait till this hits console.
teh OVERL0RD hes live and dude hes so much fun i will main him
KFC Manager oh really? I'm glad I've been saving up.
I dont even hv enough to buy any of zhin's legendary's omg
i dont really like the counter legendary i like the billow one