Is Deltarune REALLY Releasing as It Should?
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- Опубліковано 23 чер 2024
- Deltarune is almost half a decade old, and with no release in sight, fans have become antsy waiting for their next Dark World adventure. Which begs the question: should Deltarune stay committed to its current release schedule, or throw us a bone?
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In all honesty, I think the reason Toby initially planned to drop 3-5 at once is because of the limits of GameMaker. Which is also why I believe Chapter 3 is dropping on it's own at this point because of a recent GameMaker update.
Due to the limits of GameMaker, every Chapter would need to be ported to the newly released one in order for it to fully release. For example, when Chapter 2 was released, Chapter 1 had to be ported back to Chapter 2 in order for it to come packaged into one download. Which probably took a bunch of time.
If Toby dropped 3-5 at once, he would only have to port Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 to Chapter 3-5 which would save a bunch of time instead of porting every Chapter every single time he released a new one (Imagine having to port Chapter 1, 2, 3, and 4 to Chapter 5 if the Chapters were releasing one at a time. This would be extremely painful lol)
(This would also explain why he was looking for alternatives to GameMaker before starting Chapter 2 because of the limitations to GameMaker)
However, a recent GameMaker update that came out this year included a new function called game_change(). This new function feels like it was designed with Deltarune in mind lol
The reasoning that Toby had to port each old Chapter to a new Chapter when one was in development is because GameMaker only allowed for a single data(dot)win file for one game (which if you didn't know, is the main file that contains all of Deltarune game files). However, the new GameMaker game_change() function allows for multiple data(dot)win files to be used in one singular game.
This means that Chapter 3, 4, and 5 can all have their own separate data(dot)win files and also means they don't need to port every Chapter to the newly released Chapter. Which also means that Toby can easily update Deltarune on the Steam Store when a new Chapter is ready as a DLC release if he wanted to.
In fact in the documentation for the game_change() function on GameMaker's website, they used Deltarune Chapter 3 as an example for how to use the game_change() function lol
Overall, I think this function changed the direction development for Deltarune is going. It feels weird for them to almost entirely shift focus onto just Chapter 3 and getting that content complete after so long of them saying that they're developing all Chapters simultaneously.
And plus, considering Toby has changed his plans before with releasing all Chapters at once, I wouldn't put it past him to change his plans again and then just not tell us until the release of the Chapter.
I remember right before the release of Chapter 2, we got a massive amount of information on just Chapter 2 alone and no other Chapter after that. This is currently how it feels right now, with Toby getting quieter about other Chapters and only showcasing stuff about Chapter 3.
It doesn't seem unrealistic that Chapter 3 is currently finished and is planning to drop by October 31st (Deltarune's 5th Anniversary) based on the history of what the Newsletters have implied about how close the Chapter is to the end of development.
Isn’t chapter 3 going to be less story heavy and weird though? That may be the reason he’s not going to release chapter 3 by itself.
Very interesting point about GameMaker, makes a strong case for Ch3 releasing this year but we cant be too certain
we'll see on halloween
Dont give me hope 😭😭
I'm believing this with all of my heart.
As much as it would seem weird if Chapter 3 really did end up being not that story-focused, I definitely don't think that would be enough to discourage fans to delve into the depths of the new release.
I mean, for instance, it's probably gonna have a secret boss anyway, right? And like, come on, the whole new Dark World is literally partially based around Kris's house. As if that wouldn't intrigue people enough to litter the internet with countless theories and sudden findings...!
Besides, even if it IS gonna be "underwhelming" when compared to other chapters, I don't think that would necessarily be bad. After all, we have a total of 7 chapters to go through, so if one ended up a bit more quirky and less heavy than the others, wouldn't that actually be a good thing?! Am I totally not biased because I literally can't wait anymore?!?!?
Seriously though, I hope Toby ends up doing what he knows is best for us to experience the game. That is what I want the most personally, even though it would make me kind of happy to get Chapter 3 asap you know lol
I honestly would prefer one chapter dropped at a time. Simply because It gives everyone time to dig into the chapters without overload.
I agree with you dude, releasing only one chapter at a time gives us lot of time to explore and learn more about that one chapter, like details, mysteries and more.
@@vreddycarlsondoesnotexist Exactly. I like giving each chapter time to breath rather than speeding through 3 at once. It would be an overall better experience imo.
@@TrixyTrixter
though if they did the one-chapter release, then when do we start to pay for the game?
@@chongwillson972 Chapter 3 as was decided earlier. I see no problem with that. If for any reason Toby worry just charge 12$ per chapter or whatever will become the full price when payed 5 times.
I agree, I also think like this a lot of the characters might end up getting forgotten in favor of others, chapter by chapter gives the fandom time to give each chapters’ new characters their own love
Update: Toby just released a newsletter saying he's decided to release chapters 3 and 4 together without chapter 5, so I think that's a bit of a relief
WAIT REALLY?!?!???!?!?!?!?!?!
@@mrTvguyman yep
Releasing 3, 4, & 5 simultaneously seems great from a storytelling perspective. Not only for your stated reason of 3 being less story heavy, but also that with Deltarune being 7 chapters, 3, 4, & 5 are set to be the Act 2 of the overarching story. Somewhere in chapter 4 or 5 there's going to be an act 2 turnaround that will propel the story into the rest of 5 and chapters 6 & 7.
I think it'll be very satisfying and give people a lot to chew on as they await Act 3.
I agree with you.
I wanna add a few things
Chapter 3 will be combat focused similar to chapter 1
Chapter 4 is gonna be the weird route
Chapter 5 is gonna be either a normal chapter with more importance or be a game changing choice chapter. The former is more likely as your choices don’t matter
i'm just imagining how massive of a cliffhanger chapter 5's ending could be
imo the mid point will probably be after chapter 4
@@gamercentral2417 Mind you, if the player does the snowgrave route, that makes the “you’re choices don’t matter” thing irrelevant. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a mix of what you said. Normal/Good route would both fall into the former, while Snowgrave route could have the player indirectly derail the story and result in a scenario where you can either A. Return to the normal route, or B. Continue on with Snowgrave.
@@nono-lz9qr mind you, it doesn’t change the ending and it barely changes hometown. There’s a difference between “everything you do leads to the same ending” and “nothing you do changes anything”
I think I'd prefer chapter 3 with at least chapter 4 given how strange it could be. That and Toby said chapter 3 wouldn't be very story heavy. Still, it is hard to wait. Every couple of weeks I remember Deltarune and hope that in the time I've forgotten it news about a release date will have come out. Perhaps this is why Toby made Undertale in the first place, to make sure we had enough Determination...
he didn’t make it just for u to wait for a chapter 💀
@@mustynutss No one asked
IIRC, it was during Undertale's Kickstarter that Toby decided that should he succeed in making Undertale, he'd follow it up with a game that combines elements of it with ones from an earlier game he unsuccessfully tried to make in 2012. So no, Undertale was never envisioned as mere preparation for Deltarune. It was only during the former's development that he came up the latter in its current form.
Also, regarding Toby's remarks on how Chapter 3 will have a strong focus on weird gameplay ideas and not a huge amount of storytelling, I do think it's possible that this is a major reason why he didn't want the next release to only cover it, since it sounds like it may be a polarizing chapter that could leave some fans unsatisfied if it's all they get. But if Chapter 3 is significantly closer to completion than Chapter 4, and that's the only significant reason for the previously announced release plan, then I hope Toby changed his mind and is aiming to at least get Chapter 3 out sooner than the rest. At this point, the wait is becoming pretty hard. Even if it's one of the less important chapters overall, I'm sure it could still help keep fan interest going for a while longer.
I hope chapter 3 isn’t story heavy.
It would fit a pattern, showing chapter 3/5 to be a consequence/chapter without a weird route. Mainly focused on the RPG elements that Toby is creating. Meanwhile in chapter 4/6 there’s gonna be weird routes or huge story changes. While chapter 7 will be the same. Showing that your actions actually don’t mattee
@@kilicool64 That's a fair point, every day the expectations build and releasing chapter 3 could help relieve fan outcry while Toby finishes the more important chapters. It's a tough choice no matter what he ends up doing
If Toby thinks 3-5 should release at the same time then I fully trust the man
Bro never lie
yeah but it's getting very hard to wait
@@funnybones98 we just have to be patient :] i'd rather have a long wait than a rushed, glitchy game
@@sadicycandle3226yeah, but it really has been a while. it's hard to stay hype about it right now
@@funnybones98 Don't really need to stay hype about it. You can just let the hype die. It'll build back up naturally when the next release(s) are announced.
Sometimes, some chapters just need to be experienced together for the sake of flow. Imagine if Undertale players finished the core or the true lab or the Asriel fight & then just had to wait for 2 years. It would do more to disappoint & frustrate than it would to build hype & shortening the wait that came before that wouldn't be worth it.
undertale is a way WAY shorter game then deltarune.
Imo we are at the stage of the fandom where the content drought is beginning to make people impatient, but the best part is what comes after: Silksong syndrome, where the fandom has stopped being about the game itself but rather a cult-like community around the wait until next chapters drop, refusing to even speculate about the release. If we hold out a little longer, we’ll reach that point and the wait will stop being as painful :)
It already has.
See r/deltarune
Silksong syndrome lmao
Silksong fans are just built different ngl
@@superlemonslicer1224 as a Silksong fan I can confirm this
Let's gooo we can wear double clown masks! 🤡
One great thing about being a Deltarune fan is that I don’t feel like I have to worry about the game’s release being mishandled because Toby Fox has proven to me that he knows what he’s doing and that he’ll do what he knows is best for the game. Being able to trust a game developer’s vision to that degree is pretty rare.
But yeah based on what we know currently, I would definitely prefer to have Chapter 3 on its own. Mostly just because the experience of being in the fandom after Chapter 2 dropped was some of the most fun I’ve ever had and I would love to have that feeling again for each chapter individually.
I don't know about this
Crazy how you can only trust a few developers to make a good game nowadays
@@paradoxxikal7327ha yea
Yeah agree with that point about the fandom. I think the feeling of those times is what is making the release of this next chapter so hard to wait for. The game itself is going to be great, but the stuff that comes AFTER with the fans will keep it entertaining for months after.
Hell yeah. I don’t care when and how Toby decides to release the next few chapters, I have full trust in him. As you mentioned, it’s way too common for game developers to be flaky or unreliable, but fortunately Toby proves to be a great developer! So thankful for that.
I think this is just the nature of being a fan of an indie game. it comes out when it comes out. its best to just have faith in however toby thinks the release will be best.
also, i think its worth considering one of toby's biggest inspirations in game development. mother 3 also has its story split into 8 chapters. imagine if we got one chapter a year, but deltarune has a chapter like mother 3's chapter 6? it doesnt seem unreasonable that not every chapter will follow a similar formula, and some chapters will only be so impactful when played alongside the others.
I think that Chapters 3-5 being released with 6-7 down the line is probably for the best. While many people want it now, I feel like having the bulk of the game release around the same time will be better in the long run, in terms of the narrative and in terms of the gameplay. While there is a slight concern over the conversation, we have to remember that the last two chapters aren't releasing with the paid version of the game, and will be added as an update later down the line, leaving ample room to discuss twists and characters whilst we wait for the ending of the game.
First we made memes about Portal 3 never coming out, then about Geometry Dash 2.2, now about the full game of Deltarune I guess...
Honestly Toby should just say “f*ck it” and drop the chapters 1 by 1. Even though this wasn’t his original plan, it’d be the most consistent strategy.
Personally I like what bendy and the dark revival did(I’m only stating this because the situations are kinda similar), where the devs wanted until they were done with the game before releasing it and it ended up being more positively received than the original bendy game that went by a chapter by chapter release. While it sucks having to wait so long for the game, I’d rather wait until 2025 or 2026 for quality chapters 3-5 than a chapter 3 with an unsatisfying ending
My biggest concern with dropping 3 as a stand-alone is that it’s likely keyed around the other chapters being with it, Like chapter 3 might feed into chapter 4, And so on, So forth, And spitting them up might mot only be unsatisfying, but a cliffhanger, And not like chapter 1 and 2 cliffhanger, Cutting the game off at a very arbitrary point, Like cutting off a movie in the middle of a dialogue
Toby hired some people for his gamedev team. Organizing a team + being creative director and making sure your vision is transferred to the team + dealing with 3rd party services + the fact that it's going to be 3 chapters released straight this time, takes extra time, and it's the first time he's doing it.
Toby used to pay a lot attention to detail in Undertale, so I wouldn't be surprised if he where even delaying his own team to make sure things are done right.
I'm willing to bet that when he made chapters 1 & 2 (on his own) he was just messing around, clearing out if he even wanted help or not (he needed it).
He isn't that much experienced in gamedev, Undertale was his first (fully programmed by him and nobody else) game, so these doubts are normal. In fact, I believe he even said so himself that he wasn't sure if he wanted help or not. In the end, it's always better to get help, as long as you can guarantee some good coordination from your team.
One thing's for sure, by now he probably transferred his ideas well to his team, and has a good hold on the teamwork, vision, and project direction, so he should be able to produce whatever he has in mind quicker (a full well coordinated gamedevteam can produce gaming content at incredible rates). I'm sure we're going to be seeing a relentless barrage of content in the years to come, which will make this gap seem extraordinary.
This silence is just the preparation. His company is growing.
Oh gosh. Now that we’ve reached the 2 year mark, my anticipation has grown considerably. It’s hard since a lot of Deltarune’s fandom relies on its own fans to keep it alive, but 2 years has been a LONG wait with very little game news. I’m fine with whatever Toby chooses, but I’d be lying if I didn’t want chapters to be released sooner rather than later.
haha, try being in the silksong fandom
I'd rather wait instead of getting a Cyberpunk 2077 or FNAF Security Breach.
@@apawcalypse9781 Yeah, I'm in there and I find it funny how people here get kinda desperate for some delay.
My take is that each chapter should be seen as a separate game until all of they are all out. Chapter 1 was a full complete package, and so was chapter 2.
@@apawcalypse9781It's commonly known that Silksong fans commit blood rituals to retain their sanity, we learn this in school
Toby has his reasons to drop the 3-5 chapters together at once.
Maybe from a lore standpoint (like those three chapters are overlapped with each other?) Maybe from a practical standpoint.
But there's no reason to force him to change his mind.
I for one, don't care if it releases one by one or 3 at the same time, as long as we'll get it eventually
The problem is that they need to charge money in the next release. They can’t do a Demo again… and charging a lot of money for only one chapter more of new content is not the best idea. Also, chapter 03 lacks a lot of story, but surely sets up what is next in chapter 04, and maybe Toby doesn’t want us to dig into that and ruin the surprise of the next ones. I prefer to wait more and to have a more fleshed out story, without Toby trying to cover details from all chapters in order to avoid spoilers.
For example… it seems that in chapter 02 we were going to see Papyrus, but that was scrapped because maybe it would have revealed something to the fanbase and to the people that overanalyze the game.
Personally, I'd rather that the chapters drop one by one.
Not only do that make less time to wait, but the waiting itself become more bearable because of all the fan content and because it give somethign to think and reminisce about.
Chapter 2 is a prime example of that, with the Snowgrave route in particular being notable.
With three chapter at the same time, I feel like I won't be able to take the time to enjoy them as much as I could since I will immediately hop on onto the next one.
@philguer4802
though if they did the one-chapter release, then when do we start to pay for the game?
@@chongwillson972 Chapter 3. Why is that so hard to understand? If Toby worry he can literally make each chapter DLC for 12$ adding up to a full 60 after buying 3-7.
@@chongwillson972 Damn, my true motive is revealed.
We can just pay a portion of the game at each chapter I guess
Ok, hear me out.
Toby has been talking about mostly Chapter 3 for over a year now, with very, VERY small updates on Chapter 4. In fact, the last time he showed us any content from anything other than Chapter 3 was the Spamton Sweepstakes from over a year ago. (I may be wrong, correct me if I am.)
He's been strangely quiet about Chapters 3 and 4. I feel as if he's been using 3 as some sort of distraction to make us think the package is coming in a lot later than it is.
Another weird thing Toby did is talk a lot about sleep.
(MAJOR DELTARUNE SPOILERS)
If you recall, at the end of Chapter 2, Kris and Susie have a sleepover together, where Kris creates a dark fountain. (Or just breaks a gas pipe or something lol.)
Toby mentioned a lot of stuff about sleep, which made me think of that.
One last thing,
TOBY NEVER SAID HE WASN'T RELEASING 3-5 THIS YEAR
Last year, he told us on the anniversary/Spamton Sweepstakes that we weren't getting anymore Deltarune that year. This neither confirmed or denied Chapters 3-5 release.
Anyways, take what I said with a grain of salt and have a good day!
it's probably for storytelling reasons. Chapter 3 is probably gonna be a much shorter silly lil chapter (but there may still be serious lore w/whatever secret boss is in this one) and most likely leads directly into Chapter 4. Chapter 4 development is also doing very well atm and they've supposedly gotten lots of work done on it, and started few stuff for Chapter 5. he knows what he's doing. waiting sucks but part of what makes UT/DR so fun is discussing it and exploring it. it also helps that Toby & the team have released content & lore in the meantime (like the legendary sweepstakes).
Ive never had to demonstrate this quantity of patience before.
I’m itching for some new delta rune content tbh.
There’s only so much spamton and jevil replay-ability/ exploration and experimentation I can do bro!
I still firmly believe 2024 is the most likely drop year, the only reason to assume beyond that is a lack of infromation, which really doesn't tell us anything either way.
On the single release thing, I have been heavily on that side for a while and do think It's what I'd prefer as an obsessed fan, but recently I thought that maybe for more casual enjoyers of Deltarune who aren't gonna spend the gaps between chapters thinking about them, watching theories, replaying them etc, as time goes on they'll forget the majority of the details of the past chapters. Maybe for their sake it's better to have a chunk to play at once? But from most other angles I do desperately want chapter 3 as soon as possible even if it would otherwise drop late 2024.
late 2024 or early 2025 seems likely to me!
I'm still willing to wait for all 3 chapters, it makes it so all 3 of them can sort of work together, unlike 1 and 2 which while still the same game obviously, but feel like they do their own thing.
It's easy to look at it now while we're still waiting for the chapters, but eventually when the full game does release, replaying each chapter might feel more connected and will make the game better in the long run.
We do have a little info that basically tells us why Chapter 3 would be odd on its own.
We know it starts in a dark world. The fountain is opened on them while sleeping. There is no pre dark world section. Susie and Kris likely wake up in the dark world. So that cuts out quite a bit of both story and gameplay (especially with Ralsei's Town being established as such a huge aspect in Chapter 2)
Then based on the image names of the hometown in last years preview, we have a pretty good idea that the hometown and likely even visiting Ralsei's town both are in Chapter 4. The song being hometown morning kind of seals that its the morning after, and thus, we likely don't even have a hometown / ralseis town section in Chapter 3 AT ALL. This makes it kind of obvious why it would be very odd as a standalone chapter. Start in the dark world, complete dark world story, seal fountain, chapter ends.
Still, I think if this really is the case, and it is the only or at least, primary reason it would be somewhat jarring to release alone, maybe this could be pointed out and get a vibe from the fanbase if it would be enough for them to want to just wait for the rest? I half assumed we might get a poll this anniversary asking this exact thing ; do we want to wait for the whole package, or get Chapter 3 even though it might not have a real ending?
I still think releasing Chapter 3 when finished (likely before this year is over) would make it VERY reasonable to have chapter 4 then release next anniversary and chapter 5 release the year after that. Yearly releases would make this wait seem much less insane. As of right now, the most optimistic release of 3-5 would be 2024, or 6 years after we first got a "demo". This is like 2/3 of the game. If chapter 7 really is the end, I would like to think 6-7 could easily take 3 more years based on current release scheduling assuming at least one of those is likely a VERY meaty chapter. 9 years for what amounts to a full game. Thats absolutely wild to think about.
I wouldn't mind 3 4 & 5 dropping at the "same time" if it was spread out over 3 weeks. For goodness sake don't put them all out on the same DAY. That would be horrible D:
I'm honestly more worried about spoilers than Plot Overshadow Because imagine getting Chapter 5 Spoilers Before you finish Chapter 3
@@thedanishlord Yeah..
@@thedanishlordi remember having information overload through just chapter 2. Im sure my mind will be broken the entire month deltarune 3+5
my take on all of this is that i’m inclined to just trust toby’s judgement. he has more information than we do, i wouldn’t be surprised if the reason why the plan is to drop three chapters at once is something vital to do with the story. unlike a certain other indie game with a funny murder bear that has gone entirely off the rails in terms of story, gameplay and release dates, i don’t have any major concerns. i trust that toby knows what he’s doing.
i will say though that i would have no complaints if toby ended up just dropping chapters 3 and 4 together and released chapter 5 separately. from what he said about chapter 3 being “weird” and less story heavy and chapter 4 being more of a “standard” chapter, i think those two releasing together is probably a good idea. and that would also make things happen sooner, which i certainly wouldn’t mind.
maybe its because i happen to latch on to pieces of media that take eons to come out, but i don’t mind the wait at all. of course i want the game to come out so i can play it, but i’ll wait however long toby and his team needs to finish it. this is more than just a fun game for fans to play, this is a personal art piece for toby and im sure a lot of the team as well. i never encourage rushing art and i have absolute faith toby will deliver an amazing product once we do see a release, whenever that may be.
tl;dr, dont rush art. even if it takes years, i wanna see toby put put a product that not only we will enjoy, but he will he proud of himself
i've been of the opinion that the chapters should release individually ever since chapter 2 first released. the reasons why are mentioned in this video, specifically that it allows fans to focus on one chapter at a time-- no single chapter will overshadow the others and everything gets appreciated. i really enjoy the community aspect of watching videos about all the findings people have made and seeing people make new theories surrounding what was discovered in the newest chapter release. it allows fans to participate in discussions while all on the same page as one another.
i also feel like it's more beneficial for the team more than anyone else that chapters are released separately rather than in groups. it keeps hype for the game alive and fans satisfied long enough for the team to breathe and not have to stress over hungry fans throwing accusations that the game will never release at them and badger them relentlessly about releasing something even if it's not finished. stuff like that can really affect a persons mental health and i can't even imagine how bad it must be for them with how popular undertale+deltarune are
in the end, i trust toby and i trust that he knows what's best for the game. like he said, there's no one on the planet who wants it released more than he does
I agree with this tbh, each chapter has been worth the wait and honestly it'll be easier on them to take their time to polish each chapter if they did it individually
Undeniably, I am most concerned about content for the community. We've been milking it dry for so long, I really wish Toby would drop at least something similar to an ARG as Spamton Sweepstakes was. It doesn't really have to be another huge even, but instead just focused on the content so the community could at least wait a little longer. I fully understand his decision to drop three at once, especially since he's the mastermind here, but I'm certainly not going to say I wouldn't be THRILLED to have just chapter 3 come out this year, no matter how weird
I'm assuming part of the reason he wants all 3 to release at once is because it would be hard to sell just 1 chapter rather than 3 at once. It'd have to be packaged like it's DLC or something. It was fine with chapter 2 because it was a free update but now maybe not.
nah sales aren't rly an issue here at all. Toby & the team are fully aware that they'll make great sales no matter what. it must be from a storytelling perspective.
@@ElysiaEsper I'm not talking exactly about how well it'll sell, moreso that it is quite literally difficult to sell 7 individual segments of a game rather than it all in 1 package. We don't even know if chapter 6 and 7 are included in the purchase of the first 5
@@ElysiaEsper You couldn't possibly know that.
@@ElysiaEsperI think it would mostly have to do with Toby himself. He already released Chapter 2 with no cost by telling us to spend the money on other indie games instead, so he's pretty devoted and respectful of the industry.
I'm sure Toby would find it a bit hard to have it in himself to release a single chapter with the price of the whole game, so the only reasonable option in this regard really would be DLC. He already said he's going to include the first two chapters in the price as well, so maybe he could let us pay for the first three...? I guess it would depend on how Toby would feel about doing it. It would definitely be a to-be-considered issue if the team really did decide to release Chapter 3 alone...
@@Goomba456 Didn’t Telltale games do that though? Or I think Life is Strange? I seem to recall episodic games selling each chapter individually when they came out. I do agree though that it seems a bit strange to sell each chapter individually.
I was really bummed about the recent newsletter, without that much info on the rest of the deltarune chapters, but then again it is toby we are talking about, since he was so vague I would not be surprised if by this december he goes live announcing the chapters 3-5 like he did with chapter 2
Edit: I realized he might also be avoiding this year major releases after all there was Baldurs gate 3, Starfield and now the Cyberpunk DLC coming out almost one after the other
I think if we get Chapter 3 on it's own, it'll be because chapters 4 & 5 are right behind it and Toby just wants to give us that speculation time we love so dearly.
If not, I think it's because Chapters 1 & 2 are so special. They're both focused on introducing new main stay characters, introducing us to new mechanics, and they both end on a fake-out-red-herring "Kris Is Da Bad Guy(gender neutral)" ending. That gives us so much to talk about and end on a MASSIVE cliffhanger! Chapter 2 also having an alternate route, meant there was meaningful stuff to dig for in it too. Chapter 3 might not even have an alternate route, or since we already know about it, it won't nearly be as hard or internet astounding to find. There's a *lot* going on in chapter 2 that makes it EXTREMELY viable to release early that other chapters are not likely to have.
If he drops 3, 4 and 5 together, we wouldn't have (enough) time to process each chapter, like we had with chapter 2. Let's plays, theory crafting, exploring the chapter thoroughly.
I feel like he should release the chapters at least a week apart from each other, give fans time to digest...
I'm desperate I'll play Chapter 3 with open arms no matter how weird it is
On another note, Chapter 3 being weird also explains why it’s taking a while: the lack of standardization in it is making development tumultuous. He’s mentioned twice now that something had to be scrapped. Once 3 is done, I’m better the rest will be much smoother.
i want the rest of the chapters to come out together so that i can pay for them FINALLY. deltarune is so popular please make money from it
theres a team now, but people wanting stuff so soon is annoying. it comes out when it comes out.
I have a feeling the link between 3-4-5 are more direct and make it harder to just spread out
I think a separate release would be the best. I made a whole Reddit post about it. Twice. I wanna play the game at my own pace and it would be harder to do so if I am forced to play 3 chapters before I can go online again without risking spoilers
Could I read that reddit post?
Theres a reason hes called Toby "radiation" Fox, it is physically impossible to predict what he does next.
I'm pretty sure radiation is one of the most accurate things to measure in the universe
@@Laurzure Yeah, but he also has the unpredictability of a fox
I wouldn’t even care if I knew 3-5 were done, I would still prefer at least a few months between releases maybe even a year
Personally I think he’s going to release chapter 3 this year on the anniversary. (since he told us last year)
Because toby seems to have gone backwards in progress for chapter 3. Since for the first newsletter he said that chapter 3 was in translation process which is supposed to be done at the same time as debugging and having a playable game. Yet The previous newsletter said he only now has gone to queens palace part .
So I’m thinking that there’s some omission of information going on but that’s speculation
It's possible they just started translation for certain parts of the game that were finalized while they worked on the rest? Since the translation team doesn't really work on any other aspect of the game, all that would do is save time overall, so it's a reasonable explanation
Because toby fox TECHNICALLY has never SOLD any deltarune games to anyone. Not even a Kickstarter campaign, unlike UNDERTALE.
We have nothing to complain about.
How can you feel intitle enough to demand a free product FASTER.
@jamesverner9132
technically speaking toby fox is going to package 3-5 together and make us pay the full price for it, which is more than fair.
i cool with either,usually id be an advocate for individual chapter release but i trust toby knows what hes doing. and jst thinking about how excited i was for ONE new chapter imagine how fun three whole new ones simaultaniously will be! (probably wont be going outside for a bit lol)
I don't think any of us are getting any sunlight when the next chapter/s release for at least a month.
I was personally disappointed with the anniversary newsletter. I won't lie, I did somewhat expect the chapter drop but them not being ready yet is fine. I was disappointed by the lack of information on how development progress is going. It's a common sentiment that the newsletters have been saying chapter 3 is near complete for months now (although if I recall correctly that was more an inference from the actually shared progress than anything) and as far as news on chapter 3 goes I think it did well enough. We know exactly how close to completion chapter 3 is.
My big issue is the complete radio silence on chapters 4 & 5. I understand 3 is the focus but even if they haven't been worked on at all in months I'd still like to know about that so we can reasonably revise expectations for when the chapters may finally release. As it stands now, the bullet patterns Toby mentioned the team working on for chapters 4 & 5 in an earlier newsletter may be the only development that's been done at all, or alternatively they could be entirely finished with Toby just using chapter 3 as a coded teaser for how close we really are to full release. We just don't know.
All that being said, I can understand the sentiment that people want Toby to drop 3 on its own, or perhaps 3 & 4 without 5 just for an earlier release, but I'm still finding waiting for all 3 chapters to come together. All I want is a progress update. This feels like a group project with a looming deadline where you can't start your part until everyone else is finished, but only 1 other member of your 4 person group is communicating at all.
I could literally years for a new chapter, my only concern is exactely what you said in video: the hype and discussions about all the chapters and it's characters overshadowing eachother, specially when it comes to the secret bosses, who are ALWAYS hyped up and recieve like 1000 pieces of fanart and remixes and stuff.
I'd say if they don't release by the end of 2025, it would be better for Toby to at least release Chapters 3 and 4 without 5. I think the wait will be a lot more bearable now that we have newsletters to look forward to every season. I agree that Toby probably knows what's best, but if chapter 3 is simply an unconventional Chapter, and Chapter 5 has a better ending narratively then 4, which is what I'm assuming the reasoning is, I would say releasing chapter's 3 and 4 together would make sense, and then, since Chapter 5 was going to be the ending point, I think it would be pretty reasonable to release on it's own a year of two later. That is all to say, if he doesn't finish faster than we think. As a game developer, I can say gameplay focused sections usually take the longest to program and bug test, and especially considering all the writing is already done (according to Toby), I could understand a more gameplay centric chapter like Chapter 3 would take a little longer than Chapters 4 or 5. Of course, I don't really mind, as long as Toby keeps us updated on the games progress.
At the very least, maybe we can come to an agreement and drop chapters 3&4. That way, we can play them while 5&6 are being worked on, then Toby will drop chapter 7 as the final piece of the puzzle and complete the game
I wouldn't be mad if chapter 3 dropped on December 25th. It would also fit the story pretty darn well
People should just stop demanding stuff and sit down. They're playing the game for free, they have no right to be so aggressive.
I do agree Toby should release all the chapters separately, though. I have a small prediction we might get chapter 3 for Deltarune's fifth anniversary, but that's probably just wishful thinking.
If people worry so much about price Toby could literally make each chapter DLC for 12$ which would add up to the full price 60 after buying all chapters.
@@TrixyTrixter He may do something like that in the future, who knows really. I honestly wouldn't be mad if he charged AAA price, it's only fair.
I have depression and the only thing keeping me going is waiting for deltarune, so I hope toby will take his sweet time and make a perfect game :)
@Volian0
i mean if you want to live a long life , just wait for half life 3.
@@chongwillson972 to be honest, I think Half-Life 3 will release sooner than all chapters of Deltarune
Bro that doesn't manke sense did you just put your entire destiny on a game just go to therapy or find some friends believe me you can still save yourself as I did
@@HuskgamerI I don't have money for therapy and nobody wants to be my friend because I have autism and I'm anti-social. I already take anti-depressants and they don't help, they make me sleepy for the entire days, so what am I supposed to do?? I just accepted that I'll be homeless someday but before that I gotta play Deltarune :D
@@Volian0 man I'm speechless anyway I hope that someday you'll find happiness in your life
I wonder if chapter 3 4 and 5 will be a much more connected story than the others and thats why theyre being released together. Its a theory ive had for a while although there isnt really any evidence for or against it.
Yah I see it that way too-
It's definitely been an idea in my mind and, seeing that they're all being worked on together, you're probably right.
I was wondering for the longest time why chapter 3 hadnt come out, but im honestly relieved to learn hes working on 3 whole chapters at once
I'm willing to wait for them to come out together, but I hope Toby does spread the release out by a few weeks. It's good for fan discussion and also helps avoid spoilers for those that haven't played each chapter right away.
Been loving these Deltarune videos.
Of course one at a time is much better, we NEED at least a month or more to dissect every single bit of code and dialogue to get the most out of the chapter. It would feel very different of multiple chapters are dumped at once. Less is more, so to say
This kind of makes me think some of these chapters... might not end normally?
Like... they have to hop into another darkworld right after another instead of the in game day being over...
as a lot of people have said, having the chapters release one at a time is a lot of fun, chapter 2 (and the sweepstakes) have us thinking about them all the time, even if chapter 3 is less lore significant then the others, I highly doubt it has less lore then the sweepstakes, and just look how much that gave us what to do. Also it gives the community more time to discover things in the chapter (egg, secret boss... peculiar pathway, ect.) Of course it's up to Toby and I also trust his better judgement, but from my experience going through them one at a time, speculating about what could come next, is what makes deltarune so great. (and yes I am avoiding the word "theory", [imagine flashbacks behind me], bad memories)
edit: Because there was a discussion on the name of (what I think now is agreed to be called) the weird route, I decided to call it the peculiar pathway, and it just stuck with me
You do realize that dropping 3 chapters at once is practically 6 years of content crammed into 1-2 years right
I like the current of chapter 3 and 4 its a nice release schedule to me since 3 sounds great but i can see why a goofier low level chapter would need a more serious chapter that services plot more to cone with it gotta keep us theorist theorising
tbh i feel like anyone pushing for deltarune to be dropped at this point clearly have unreasonably little faith in toby fox, despite the fact he has been consistent with what he's set out to achieve with both undertale and deltarune. a wait like this is a standard for indie game development. not being able to stomach it is a skill issue on the fans' part.
Honestly I was always confused on why 345 were all being released together, but it does sound like it’s because 3 doesn’t have a lot of story relevance compared to the other two? That surprised me because it’s the house so it would connect to kris but ig not?? At least that’s what the news letter made it sound like
as much as I do anticipate the new deltarune chapters, i am good waiting more to have a better exprerience and a more curated game, rather than getting something sooner, playing an experience that perhaps isn't as complete. Waiting is something that pays off. Besides, people want stuff earlier, but when they are done with it they'll be sad that it's already over.
I think the game would be more successful if they released a chapter at a time. Not only would it have the fans wait less time, but it means the popularity would skyrocket about 5 more times. And it leaves room for theory! Toby is a man of mystery, no doubt; so honestly, it just makes sense.
*We needn't gossip about Dr. Fox's workings...
*After all...
**Its rude to talk about someone who's listening*
Actually factual
Whenever someone raises an eyebrow at how long a game takes to drop, drives me nuts, making a game is hard, yet you still see it everywhere, "where game??!!"
They really think making videogames is like making an apple juice, while the actual time to make the game is like growing an apple tree
@@vreddycarlsondoesnotexist Making apple juice but you don't have apples and need to invent modern science equipment, get replacement materials, and figure out the recipe yourself
@@Jake28 Growing an apple tree without apple seed, still the same thing
@@vreddycarlsondoesnotexistIt's not even about how fast the release should be, but more like: why tf is toby so obsessed with dropping chapters 3-5 at the same time... if chapters 3 and 4 are done, then why are we waiting for chapter 5 for no reason? No one is gonna Complain if he would even release only chapter 3. If he releases Chapter 5 right after finishing it, then it's gonna be a mess to wait for the rest too. He should rather release ch3 now, so they can peacefully work for months on the rest, while the fans speculate about ch4.
@@vreddycarlsondoesnotexist ....Ooooorrrrr we recognize the difference between things taking time, and things taking too long?? Sorry, but there is zero excuse for why this game is taking so unbearably long to release. The 7 years thing was supposed to be like, a joke, not a serious statement. We respect that it takes time, but at this point, something fishy is going on because this is just development hell at this rate...
As someone who’s not really a fan since I haven’t played either game, I still feel like undertale blew up just a couple years ago lol
But from what I’ve seen, Toby seems to know what he’s doing, so I wouldn’t worry
I honestly forgot about Deltarune for a couple of months cause I knew it took a while. When the anniversary arrived I had hopes that some more news would be shared and that chapter 3 would be announced soon. I think chapters should drop at a time so that the community make theories about next chapters and the current lore.
If Toby were to drop 3 Chapters at once, my prediction of it's release window would maybe be around late 2025 to mid 2026. Like, if Chapter 3 and Chapter 4 were primary focuses and Chapter 3 took 2 years to finish, then I'm assuming Chapter 4 might be around halfway done maybe taking around one more year to finish. Since Chapter 5 was barely mentioned at all, I'm assuming almost nothing has been done with it maybe taking around 1 and a half to two more years depending on how big the chapter is. So in short, Chapter 3 will get finished in 2023, Chapter 4 will get finished in 2024 and Chapter 5 maybe very late 2025 to around mid 2026, but that's just my guess
I never once felt like chapter 3 should drop on it's own, it may have been a mistake to give us chapter 2 when we did, going by the state of the more dedicated fans, and people expecting things sooner than later.
But I am still disappointed and concerned a bit with the state of things. Chapter 3 being NEAR done for as long as it has been, has certainly been a bummer, (Especially since they did the translations before the chapter was fully playable?? That's not something I've heard of being done before)
Toby went from being as clear as humanly possible even giving us percentages to being vaguer and vaguer, which also isn't helping things.
The "I plan to sleep" thing WAS vague and odd in wording and WAS in fact alluding to something else, just not what anyone hoped for.
Chapter 3 still not even being done combined with Toby's insecurity about the chapter makes me think they keep redoing things as well.
On translations, if they start translating the finished parts while they work on the rest, then that would theoretically save development time overall, though I haven't heard of it either.
@@Jake28 I can see the justification, just its not only odd in a general sense, but odd in a Toby sense.
Chapter 2's progress spoke of translations being the last thing, and I think Undertale had translations done post release even.
It feels off it wasnt the case with chapter 3...hell even MORE off they didn't just wait until all of the next chapters were done before doing translations as a focus.
I think 6-7 will release on deltarunes 10th anniversary with 3-5 releasing somewhere between undertales anniversary next year to deltarunes 2026.
I also hope we get the percentages back as that was a good way of knowing how far along each chapter is
If I can read fanfictions with the writer not updating for 4 years, I can wait for toby to released his game no matter how long it takes, at least with toby I know he'll continue with his game plus as everybody stated he knows his game and somebody we can all trust.
I guess for story reasons he wants to release all 3 chapters at once so while its going to suck waiting another few years...
id much prefer 3 with 4+5, because of what you said, the chapter has been stated to not be normal!
My money is on 3 and 4 dropping together next year, then 5 and 6 dropping probably 2 years after that, and then 7 is the biggest game and drops on its own however long it takes.
People also aren't considering that 3 is going to take the longest to develop out of 4 and 5 because all the decisions we've been making in previous chapters and are going to make in that chapter have to be factored in. The last 2 chapters kept up with every single spare, scare away, ice shock, and snow grave that the character does in their run. If that effects the story, he has to build that from ground zero. Once hes created that code he can copy it over to the next chapters but as is, he likely has to draw that up from scratch and potentially tie it to differentiating cutscenes/dialogue trees. Also, he may have been changing the storyline in later chapters and had to go back to foreshadow. There's a number of things that could have factored in to Chapter 3 taking this long.
The best thing about waiting for Deltarune is that you aren't worried the game will get messed up no matter what happens.
I know most fans don't seem to agree with this, but I think that the chapter release schedule for this game was a huge mistake and will end up haunting it in the long run. Episodic releases for anything only works when three things are established and remain consistent from the start:
1. The length of time between releases
2. The amount of content in each new episode
3. Consistent and clear schedule
The problem with Deltarune for me from the start (and this became an even bigger problem when chapter 2 came out 2 years after chapter 1 and revealed that there would be 7 chapters in total), is that the time between episodes is simply way too long for me to remain invested in the story, and lack of a consistent schedule makes it worse. I've seen so many people who played chapter 1 not touch, let alone finish chapter 2, and this sill only get worse with every episode release. I think that the best options for the team would have been to either work on all episodes at the same time and reach a point where they are all like 90% finished before starting to release them (which would make sure the wait between every chapter was shorter and maybe more consistent), or that they should have just released the whole thing at once as one finished game, which yes would mean that this game would have been developed for probably over a decade before we ever saw anything about it, but at least we would have gotten one complete experience. As is, the chapter release schedule has been actively hurting my enjoyment in the game.
Ultimately the dev team is trusting people are patient enough to wait, that they have other interests in the meantime and other games to look forward too.
The wait between Chapter 1 and 2 has hardly affected Deltarune's growth as a whole too, it's still really popular and most causals would pick it up again.
Also even though this isn't an actual retail game, I have waited close to 7.5 years for the fangame Undertale Yellow to release and I am still heavily invested in what story it has to tell. And many people who previously forgot about the game or thought it was cancelled, jumped back in to anticipate the game, which does show that waits can be worth it for a lot of people.
@@Turbulation1 My biggest problem with the release schedule isn't the amount of time that it's taking. I wouldn't mind waiting 60 years for the full game to be out if that was what needed to be done to make the game the best game the team could make. My problem is that when you release a story episodic, but don't have a consistent and short (relative to the schedule Delatrune has) release schedule, then that hurts the story. I cannot maintain my investment and immersion when by the time the next chapter comes I have completely forgotten what happened in the last, who the characters were, what the mechanics are, what is the lore, what are the themes. Heck, when chapter 2 came out I didn't even have my old chapter 1 save file because it was so long, and I ended up deleting the game since.
The best way to counter that is to simply replay the previous chapter or chapters not too long before the new one releases. And it shouldn't take too much time out of your day to do it.
For 3+, that's assuming you still have Deltarune on steam which you probably would by this point.@@TheBadasssnoopy
@@TheBadasssnoopy I get that, but since they're included in the same release, why not replay chapter 1&2 when 3-5 come out?
People were crazy to say 2023 in the first place, like why would 3 chapters take the same amount of time as 1. Im not saying that in hindsight Im just used to long releases and delays. Omori took 6 years, Persona 5 got delayed 3 years. Im used to it by now.
I sure Toby knows better than all of us. Imagine a people face a same problem everyday in 7+ years and he is a creator with love and care😂
I am more than okay with Toby not feeding the content farm. Proficient indie devs know how to handle their game better than their community does, and it's unreasonable and quite mean to demand the dev sacrifice the plan for the sake of "online discourse (you're getting bored and can't find another game) and content overload (learn some self control in your content consumption)." Like Hakita with Ultrakill, I trust Toby Fox to make the game to the standard one can only give themselves at whatever pace is necessary.
And when it does come out, me and my friends will do stupid voice acting over discord while the last one to start the new chapters plays.
my prediction is ch3-5 is late 2024-early 2025, full game early 2027
let's see how this video ages
I think we might not be having to wait as long as we fear for the full release, but Regardless, I think It'll still be best to release the entire game in a single package. My biggest hope is that we'll get a more substantial status update on Halloween this year, marking the 5 year anniversary of Deltarune
Something people seem to be forgetting is toby said chapter 3 is gimiky, meaning more time required to work on it, so chapters 4 & 5 won't take nearly as long, meaning that once 3 is done, it'll be maybe a year and a half until it releases
While i absolutely love Deltarune to the deepest parts of my soul, i feel like i could wait 2 more years for the next chapter/s drop
I feel like Toby is shaping up all of these with care and i want to give him all the time in the world to finish them *just right*
that aside, im excited for Chapter 3, having a more gimmicky chapter will be a fun experience
3 chapters at once seems like much but I agree with you. I will just wait and see what happens.
I think that given how chapters 3-5 are being simultaneously worked on with a major focus on chapters 3 and 4, if chapter 3 were to be a solo release then there shouldn’t be as long to wait for chapter four when compared to the release of the previous two, with the little knowledge on chapters 4 and 5 I’m inclined to believe a solo release would be better since for the however long chapters 4 and 5 are being worked on it would be difficult to update fans who haven’t even played chapter 3 and would be spoiled by hints from later chapters
I really like concept of dropping each chapter one by one
It makes each of them unique, chapter 1 was super good then 2 came out with it's own fun adventure, 3 4 5 together would over shadow 3 and 4 or atleast 4th chapter
An idea I like is that the Shaow Mantle the Seam mentions be required to make a fight possible in the next chapter is literally unobtainable to get in chapter 3 until you do something in the later chapters like for example beating the secret boss in chapter 4 to get enough shadow crystals.
you make an excellent point about the single chapter releases feeling like special events. I guess a similar situation to compare it to would be the JoJo anime, how it would feel like a special event when it came time for the next part to drop, and to watch the episodes as they released week by week. and then David Productions screwed over Stone Ocean by giving it to Netflix and they did the episode batch release model.
So far every deltarune chapter had 3 years between release. I kinda wonder if thatll mean chapter 3 4 and 5 might drop 9 years after chapter 2 dropped
LOL
I am very exited to get three chapters together, more time to play and less to wait for the next ones until the end. ahah
Anyway I have some good vibes that for the winter 2024 we'll get them! if not is ok, still worth the wait, after all we have now the snowgrave route, will probably become harder to program and follow the story with this event, and I do prefer that toby take time to work on his game instead of rushing.
I feel like chapter 3 should come out on its own but I’m stupid so Mabey that’s not a good idea
ey were did your lastest video go?
good video. I'm a bundle release fan because I'd just like to play the game as it was intended, with the internet off, on a cold autumn day with a blanket. And if I could discover any secrets on my own that would be really cool too.
Will that be like, three years from now? PROBABLY!! HAHA!!! But it's going to be a really good time. The single release is bad because it would encourage every chapter to have the same format so as to not be underwhelming as a standalone release. Chapter 3 sounds like a palette cleanser so I don't think it makes sense to have it on its own. I wonder if that means we wouldn't see Snowgrave consequences until Chapter 4 or even 5 or something, which would probably be part of Toby's reasoning to not release that standalone (imagine the salt)
Of course I've got not idea what the hell Chapter 3, 4, and 5 actually look like, right? I like your idea of a staggered release where they have a few weeks inbetween, but between that and everything I'd take everything at once.
TL;DR I hope Toby sticks to his vision and doesn't cave to fans.
deltarunes full release
will likely be like 2.2 of geometry dash, it will take unreasonable time and impatience for the update will literally be at maximum causing every single thing being posted on social media by toby fox will be taken as secret messages by the fandom, you can already see it happening
To be honest, releasing chapter 2 on its own is a baffling decision to me, given how the rest were planned to be bundled together. Despite Toby being a somewhat trustworthy developer, we cannot guarantee that the whole of Deltarune will ever be released, and as such it feels like a move that could really backfire due to too much hype.
This is to say nothing about the strange way the gameplay has had to be segmented, given how strange it is to go from chapter 1 to 2 with the introduction of the recruitment mechanic which was not retroactively added to chapter 1, on top of many of the other gameplay changes. Maybe this will be corrected in the full release, but currently it feels badly implemented.
Then again, maybe this was secretly a genius move and in 10 years when the whole game is out we'll all praise Toby for his avant-garde handling of the situation.
The reason why stuff like the recruitment mechanic isn't implemented to chapter 1 is because it'd be completely useless and borderline detrimental imo
Chapter 1 lays down the foundation for the game. It's basically the prologue/tutorial, where you get to experiment with and learn the game without making impactful decisions until you get the hang of it
Undertale got away with a really short tutorial (literally just the dummy fight lol since even the ruins impact the rest of the game) because its premise is very self-explanatory: don't press the fight button if you don't wanna
But deltarune doesn't really spell out what it's about immediately. New players have to:
- Learn the new battle system and hone it
- Probably try playing pacifist again, in a system that isn't as clear cut about that being a true goal (and seemingly purposefully so) beyond ralsei trying to push for it
- Micromanage Susie not beating everything up (which is really easy when you get it, but new players can def mess it up at first)
Why would you add enemy recruitment on top of this? I understand it's literally just a byproduct of sparing, so it wouldn't be hard to grasp on top of everything, but a big part of chapter 1 is that fighting and sparing were seemingly, for the first time, really not that different from eachother in terms of impact, despite ralsei speaking to the contrary.
If you actively encourage the player to do one over the other in terms of gameplay, you skew the balance immediately. And you *will* have every recruit by the end because of how the chapter works regardless, so again, why add another unnecessary layer of confusion to the game when chapter 1 is already busy screwing with Undertale's structure?
Chapter 2 gets away with it, because building up your town and going off the beaten path via snowgrave are both possible answers to "why should I spare over fight then?" and viceversa, respectively. Chapter 1 doesn't have this level of depth, nor would it be beneficial when it's simply meant to set everything in place for the player (like any other prologue)
Some of the QoL stuff from 2 would be neat to see in 1 later on for sure, though, you're right :p
(Anyway sorry for the long comment, I had one thing to say and I didn't expect to write so much for it '-')
I'll say this as long as it isn't 2026 that we have to wait for all 3 chapters on I can maybe wait another year.
Unless of course some major world events start happening then at that point would be the TIME TO PANIC!?