Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: IS-4 Part 2
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- Опубліковано 5 лис 2013
- Part two of our two-part tour of the IS-4 in Kubinka.
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It's amazing the maintenance level of the tanks in the soviet museum vs the tanks in the US museum
one it is a russian musem and two in their defense they do have thousands for different and incredibly rare tanks there, but yeah they should find the time to maintain some of their worst condition vehicles
they don't have money to do the maintenance, merican museums have more money.
There is a place called The Tank Museum of the United States? Do tell.
I have seen dozens of tank and AFV museums in the US, and some of them look basically like scrapyards or military disposal parks, with rows of rusting vehicles parked out in the open, side by side in rows.
I have also seen many well-preserved units in Russian museums. The Russians have a lot less spare cash floating around to spend on what most people consider a luxury like this, and when they do choose what to spend on, they are far more likely to spend first on vehicles that actually had a historical impact and/or served in combat. The IS-4 is neither. It was a not-very-successful side-note in tank design, with less than 300 units built, non of which saw any combat, and most of which ended up abandoned, scrapped or buried as pillboxes on the Chinese border. Why would they waste money restoring this when it would mean neglecting T-34s and IS-2s? Of course, condition also plays into it. These machines WERE unsuccessful, and mostly abandoned to rot for decades, so this was probably already in very poor state when it arrived. Why waste a huge amount of money trying to reverse that damage when there are many easier, cheaper projects (or at least more important expensive projects) to spend it on?
That said, it will take a long, long time for this to totally rust away. The outside is well painted and preserved, and almost no one ever sees the interior of these machines. Painting and restoring the interior would amount to expensive cosmetic improvements for the benefit of the very rare person who actually gets permission to climb inside. A waste.
Russia doesn’t believe in this western concept of “Máy-Tà-nen-sss”
@@shugezhang4974actually they do have money as the kublinka tank museum is not a privately owned business but a military base so they actually are funded directly by the government and if you look at the museum now some of the vehicles have been restored and maintained really nicely
I got claustrophobic just watching you in that drivers position. As a short guy my greatest fear about going in the military would be I'd get a job like this one!
Did you join?
Could be worse. If you were close to the minimum height and you joined the US Army during WWII, odds were decent you'd end up being a B-17 ball turret gunner, which was pretty much the worst job in any military vehicle ever. ... Although being an IS-4 driver looks almost as bad.
@@ZGryphon could you just get assigned to a plane if you joined the military back then?
yes I know air force wasn't a separate branch yet
@@bogdanbogdanoff5164 Pilots had to have a lot of specialized training and so mostly sought out the air forces on purpose (and they were mostly officers), but I believe enlisted gunners just got told where to report, like for any other branch of the Army at the time.
The seat was stuck in the highest position. That would be used when driving with your head out of the hatch.
So, I guess geting onself into drivers seat ecplains "mild violence" warning.
Are they testing how long it will take before all the tanks rust to a pile on the floor?
Some tanks like the patton in the other vid where limited use and in better condition. Ths IS-4s went through dome harsh treatment before it was somewhat restored and staged
it's funny you should mention kicking the driver, i watched a russian documentary where they talked about T-34 combat and since most of them weren't equipped with radios (and it was crazy loud inside anyways) they had a system where the commander would tap the driver with his feet in various places to tell him where to drive, stop, turn, etc.
That is actually fairly common place really, even with intercoms a running/firing tank is hard to hear over.
Just watching him sit there in the drivers seat made me uneasy. I can't imagine how terribly uncomfortable that must have been while driving around.
One thing is clear: Tank Evolution selects for short Drivers. Just a thought; what's the Db count in the turret when that D25 fires?
From the driver's seat - "Oh bugger, the tank's on fire."
Prepare to roast?
I would love to see an episode on the A39 Tortoise.
My dad had friends in the armor school at Ft. Knox many years ago. Nothing like the experience of playing around on and in old AFVs and MBTs. Smells like it looks. Rust, mold, and sweating metal.
Thank you. For going over these tanks. I have a hard time getting into them. Found that out two weekends ago. Checked out a BMP-1 man it was smaller then these WW II tanks.
Thanks for that commentary. I hope that the next tank isn't too far away !
The "rev counter" is manifold pressure, the "speedo" I'm guessing is the actual tach. Holy balls that driver's position looks cramped. Shame the insides of these old beasts aren't in better shape, but I think I can understand why... hopefully all the attention Kubinka gets these days will help them out a little.
not important - rusty tank or all painted and shining, it is important who run this unit. In cowardly germans were superb "tigers" - but after seeing the first padded 'tiger' crews other machines simply left their vehicles and fled. Russian equipment is rightfully recognized as the best wartime and postwar period.
Hey the era of kolkhoz is over so 3 years of school isn't enough to face the outsise world
good stuff chieftan, keep em coming
Sad to see all these tanks rotting away, nearly as bad as the way the Americans store their historical tanks.
Have to go to the UK to see tanks that are maintained and restored.
Oh Americans maintain their tanks, at least those with private museums or collections but most governments rarely try to keep working machines (once retired) going because the parts tend to get very expensive if not the man hours.
Plenty of places keep collection going via Gov funding, The Russians and the Americans having some of the largest collection with many unique and rare items are both rotting away. Of course private collections are going to be better because they are usually started as a passion. They will be gone and one day no one will be able to see these things.
Menvarin They don't intend to have them Rot away, i am sure the people who work at said museums would LOVE to be able to send each and every machine in for a perfect repair and restoration, but a tank is a massively complex thing, something that is not cheap to repair. for example United States Army Ordnance Museum has hundreds of vehicles, including many 1 of a kinds such as T-29 and a Hydraulic panzer 4 prototype, it would cost hundreds of millions to repair all of the fleet to museum grade, whare as a collecter....only has to worry about -1- vehicle at a time.....and they tend to be more mundane pieces that parts can be found more often for.
yeah I know would cost less than one F22 to maintain everything the US Gov has restored for decades. I can totally see why they do not have the money.
Menvarin Well that 54% of the budget is for the active military apparently :(
IS7 turret is visible at the end of the video on the left side,hopefuly it will be next :)
Can we ask how many more Kubinka tanks you filmed?
*hopes for IS-7 and Ob704*
YAY, its out!
Chief, how tall are you?
I know the hatch was broken, but I still feel that even if it wasn't if that tank caught on fire no matter what you're screwed as the driver.
If you would have elevated the gun to the maximum deppresion, you could have entered much easier in the driver position.
I wish I could do this, the closest I’ve done is stand on a Ferdinand that was once in Aberdeen Proving Ground
Please do look over that IS-7!
I read that Soviet tankers of this period were recruited to be about a foot shorter than you, Nick
that drivers position is horrifying. you could get out if there was a fire, but if you panic you are done. there is no way you will un-stuck yourself unless you are doing things slowly deliberately
keep in mind Nick is 6ft tall while this tank was made for people much smaller.
Moo Guai.
MG was so high because it was anti aircraft, and need elevation. This Mg's could be used by the infranty as well. crew sits inside tank, and infrantyman shoot mg while being hidden behind turret. Chaffe and some shermans mg's are very simillar.
IIRC Soviet tankers had a height restriction so they would fit inside cramped spaces more easily.
What’s the regulations on crew height??
could we get the object 279?
really? this tank has neutral steering? amazing, I thought it is the traditional combination of the main gearbox and planet gears with single stream transmission.
I have a question about the IS-7. There is a MG in the top of its turret, but it's mountet on a long pole and I don't think it's possible for the crew to reach the MG from the hatch. Is it correct that the crew have to leave the tank and stand on the top to use the MG? If yes, it's just stupid in my opinion.
+Moo Guai they tried to make the gun controllable from inside by the commander, didn't work
Yeah that effort to get in that drivers position was default to watch... can't imagine actually doing it (or really driving it).
That driver's seat is probably stuck in the head-out position, so its probably not quite that bad in there
Good point, it’s a possibility
now i have more respect for my IS-4 Driver
If any day in my life I thought about being a tank driver, now it is gone!
Perhaps you need a smaller, more flexible assistant to get into some of these tanks?
I'm 5'8", I await the job offering :D
LOL, basically the entire text of the wiki article on this tank is based on this video. They didn't even change the order or anything
It’s incredible this has 2 reverse gears where the T-99m still only has 1 and a reverse speed of ”slow walk”
T-90sir. because T-90 still use T-72 Chassis
Partially, but more a different diet. The more protein in a diet at a young age the larger the person. Many eastern nations were not well developed until after the war, so a person wouldn't have a steady diet of things like beef or pork. You can see what effect modernization had on the Koreans and Japanese. The Japanese (historically short) after WWII came to love their beef and are now on average almost as tall as Americans and South Koreans are 3 inchs taller than the communist cousins.
You've been watching Jingle's haven't you?
That didn't particularly look like a pleasant experience :x
Chieftains hatch for the batchat? :D
holy fuck, that driver's compartment. makes me think that girls und panzer show might be on to something.
He doesn't seem happy to make an IS-4 review. :)
what does he mean "not stolen from the germans"? was that sarcasm or is this a common accusation or something like that?
What, you gotta be like 3 foot nothing to fit inside that thing? Hot dog. IS4 looks pretty miserable for the driver.
+CMDRFandragon Child labour :3
That was a part of the Soviet recruiting during the second World War, and I imagine after the war as well. Above a certain height, and you went into the infantry, below a certain height, and you'd be trained to be a tanker.
Good thing you're a skinny fellow Manic.
Or maybe, the Tortoise, lots of room there XD.
Shortest guy is the driver it looks like.
Pretty sure the seat was stuck in the up position. What a miserable thing.
Guys, there were only about 250 of these tanks made, and for tank forces you get to choose from about 1 million recruits from all over , so finding 1000 short guys, or even 40 000 thousand is not such a problem.
Also, the Germans practically destroyed meat-producing industry in European parts of Union, especially beaf, so limited proteins for chieldren were also the case.
Oleynikov Kirill beef and children
That driver position...who were the USSR hiring for those jobs? Dwarves?
going in battle driving one of these in this position knowing you might die any moment ....at least they could have add a pillow to the poor driver oO
static pillboxes xD
They're weren't lol they just picked the short ones.
I honestly wouldn't care being the driver if I was small enough... Scratch that, I'd be okay with it if I could get out quickly
AZ WINGMAN
I guess the driver's position is designed for hobbits. lol
LOL Russian tankers must have been really short...
Not sure if you'll read this, but the driver's seat was set to its highest setting for heads-out driving. The adjustment lever is on the side of the seat. You could have saved yourself a lot of suffering and avoided spreading misinformation by taking a peek at the seat before crawling in.
Clearly...Wargaming doesn't pay you enough. I mean to take from another insane area to be in some war machine to take from Aircraft (Besides being in the said craft in a war zone) is the Ball Gunner. So being a Russian Tank Driver. Your pretty much screwed...also short and skinny and most likely not fed to make sure you can drive the tank.
this is wrong, being a russian tanker was one of the better frontline positions. stalin believed strongly in the moral effect that tanks have on the battlefield and made sure his crews got at least one decent meal a day. it's the infantry that were treated like expendable dogs.
Before mass commercialization and the easy of mass refrigeration and storing of meat (Around the late 40's) Most people didn't get a lot of meat in their diet so in turn people simply weren't growing as big and tall so really it wasn't that uncommon. My Great Grandfather who was in WW2 only came up to my chest (I'm 6'2") and he was a radioman and he was considered too big for a gunners seat in a bomber.
Would it be fair to say that having this IS-4 as a tier 10 and the Conqueror at tier 9 is a bit of a travesty ? The IS-4 seems like a pretty terrible tank in real life.
Its about armour values, not ergonomics though, since it is an arcade game, and the IS-4's armour is ridiculously thick. They just gave it a gun from a slightly later period
gunsrlove World of Tanks is far from any arcade games I've ever played...
Cool documentary! I knew Russian tanks where unfamouse for shitty ergonomics but not that badly! I'm so happy not to be the driver of that thing hatch working or not! BTW you know that early version of the m4 had extremely small front hatches and only 1 hatch on turret? In short the m4 was a very dangerous tank to bail out in a hurry also due its propensity to brew up quite easily! Keep going on!
The problem with "early Shermans" was actually the crews' practice of jamming spare ammo anywhere they could fit it. Fuel fires are the least of a crew's worries to the point where some tanks use fuel cells as ablative armour, but ammunition fires are lethal. Once wet racks were introduced and the crews told to be careful about ammo stowage, the fires dropped dramatically (in fact, the Panther was considerably more likely to burst into flames either on the first penetrating hit or indeed of its own accord).
Thanks Mr rossmum! But it was a general trend with all Shermans during the war to pack in as much as possible all the ammo! A trend partially shared by the Germans as well! Anyway with the exception of the Jumbo it's armor was never the strong point of the m4 partially mitigated by having wet storage in late versions! It true about the Panthers but as a tanker I shall always be worried having gasoline under my bum!
Also the Germans were fighting a retreating war where they could not recover their tanks but the Allies could so the would continue shooting knocked out tanks in order to set them on fire so they could not be repaired.
That driver's position would have been a nightmare for me, and I'm 20 cm shorter than Moran.
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The hatch springs open to another ringlets with two of D rings hold/strap wrist you're driving drone flying away .
Not Jeff bezos Amazon drone delivery through though or a backpack full electric VTOL or horizontal .
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Russians don't care if their drivers don't have proper controls
This tank is a nightmare. Would never go in one it looks like a death trap. I prefer the German and US tanks.
+Jericho Same here.
Watching him crawl into the drivers position made so so claustrophobic I had to stop watching.
5'8" you're too tall. Soviet tank drivers that were 5'4" were uncomfortable in those things
Looks to me like you are trying to sit with the seat fully up and the hatch closed. Not going to work well.
I think you need to hire a short man to try out all these positions, just to highlight the huge difference a half a foot can make in determining whether a position is cramped or not. My sister can drive around with her seat far forward and she insists she is perfectly comfortable. I am not a tall person, yet I can barely wedge myself into the space she uses with extreme discomfort. It is literally a matter of a few inches of difference, either of height or available space, yet it makes all the difference in the world. Obviously SOMEONE could fit in these positions, since people drove them. Claustrophobic? Yes, but that is all relative, and they can select crew based on psychological suitability as well as physical. This is not a volunteer army, like the Western nations. Many people could not stand submarine service, especially in the world wars, but many could. Have you ever seen the inside of the first Mercury capsules? Some men spent days in them.
How the f were Russians that short? Malnutrition?