It must had been funny if they tried to use all 4 external machine guns at the same time. The driver would be rocking the tank back and forth trying to spray rounds in as well as suddenly breaking and accelerating trying to get the elevation correct, while the gunner and commanders try to move the turret arguing about where the shots are going as they try to look though the periscopes while the tank is bouncing around, haha.
I can't believe no one has suggested those machine guns were used to discourage enemies from climbing the tank. Many Soviet tanks used to have a machine gun on the back of their turrets for this reason.
The machine guns was only used to keep enemy soldiers away from the tank, a common practice by soldiers from any army was to throw grenades or explosives into a hatch to kill the crew or fire RPGs at it since the tank cannot engage any threat that was close to it with its main gun.
The Soviets actually had dedicated anti tank units that specialized in a close combat anti tank role. They mostly used standard or available infantry equipment to show the infantry they could fight back (or propaganda units if you want to look at it that way, they were never that effective compared to more conventional anti tank guns)
Maybe to protect the rear of the tank from enemy infantry trying to take pot shots at the back of the tank. I'm willing to bet a Molotov Cocktail thrown at the rear engine bay would easily disable this tank. So I'm betting they put the machine guns to protect the tank from that.
beardo52 ....the FICTIONAL storm trooper helmet looks similar to the front of this REAL tank which far predates the conception of the ridiculous cartoon like storm trooper character.
"We need more room for vodka, Glorious Stalin." "THEN MAKE EVERYTHING WITHIN THE TURRET AND HULL VODKA!" "But where are we going to put the machine guns?!" True story.
I saw one of these Stalin 3's take 7 or 8 rounds of 105mm ap rounds on the front glacis and the turret. They bounced off! This tank was designed in the mid 1940'S! Who else but the Russians!
Fun fact the reason the is7 wasn’t really produced was because it weighed 65 tons and back then they had a weight limit for a tank and the is7 passed that limit by almost 10 tons
Yeah it was the weight limit on Soviet railways, they transport tanks from factories on trains bc they can't drive them for thousands of kms to where they're needed.
The Rear mounted guns on the turret could probably be used to prevent enemy infantry from getting up on the rear of the tank. Since turning the turret and Shooting them would be an easy way to clearing any infantry trying to climb ontop of the tank.
The rear-facing machine guns might've been for keeping infantry from climbing onto the tank like those turret rear machine guns other russian heavy tanks had but with twice as much firepower.
***** sure. But I think the majority are blueprint or borderline fictional. Take tier ten for example. I think there is 4 vehicles there that existed at all.
I suspect the designing went like this: after research, the team presented Stalin with a supremely effective tank-killer, capable of defeating any tank on the planet. He- a novice with overwhelming power- asked why a tank-killer had no machineguns. The designers then looked at each other... "Okay... You're the Boss..."
The back machine guns were a attempt to keep tank killing infantry squads from climbing on the tank from behind and destroying it. The kv1 also had a machine gun in the back of the turret I believe. The Japanese equipped some of their tanks with back firing machine guns too. Seriously you were not aware of this chief ? The German Porsche Elephant is a good example of what happens when you have no secondary armament. It was hunted like a dog by Russian infantry when the Germans attempted to use it as a primary break through tank at Kursk. Were all these machine guns needed on this tank? Certainly not but more is better then none or just one in the turret. There were many instances of german tank drivers having to "hose down" the back sides of their own lead panzers with their front machine guns. Even HE was used fired on the back of their own tanks when they ran out of MG/a to drive off Russian tank hunter squads jumping on the back of lead element armor. I imagine this was a real worry to the designers that's why all the machine guns. Oh and one more thing. The did a pretty wise thing IMO about NOT cutting into the front plate of this tank for a machine gun port that would certainly weaken it's armor. It would have been better to fix a remote machine gun for the driver IMO.
But those on IS-7 (Execpt for anti air one) is FIXED. Not rotatable. No elevation or depression at all. I think infantry is sure to avoid the guns and climb on.
Yeah but ball mounts can be flung back into the tank when a tank round hits it thus killing the crew. Fixed or not its a gun and its not gonna get you killed.
These Chieftain's hatch videos are awesome. Just keep them coming, there are plenty of AFV's in museums around the world that you can review after everything at Kubinka is done =)
Chief I think that those fixed machine gun positions were basically defensive measures. If you notice the forward, fixed position MGs are located towards the rear, so as to cover the entire side length of the tank against Infantry.. who are trying to possibly climb up onto the tank or place explosives on it etc. I do not believe that they were intended for medium or long range usage.
+Luis Cayetano thats how you spell stromg when you are derping with russians Example: Russian tenk very stronk because we heve the sekrit dokumints xaxaxaxaxaxa))))
8:35 THIS gun only to (in the museum) show, however orginally it can be lowered and can be controlled without going to top of the tank, however the is-7 nearly unfinished or had break down issues. Mark my words
If this tank comes out for WT it'll probably be a premium and that Lower frontal glacias and the cupola is going to be the last nail in the coffin from the Cheat-FS spam.
the barrel is lifted because if the tank were to go down a steep slope the gun wouldnt dig into the ground infront of it, not sure why lifted when stationary tho, probs to stop people from smacking their heads as u mentioned
***** Everything those person said is true, but there is also an another reason, well I think. It's like a infantry soldier pointing the gun on the ground, it tell that it won't fire, well it might fire but it's like a " safe ". In war tank always carry a shell inside the gun, just in case, so they lift the gun to make sure it if they do something wrong the shell will just fly in the air and land somewhere else... which in that case you don't mention it and hope nothing bad happenned the other side uhuh. So I supose even if there isn't any ammunition in it, they still keep the gun lifted just to say " hey it won't fire at you, it's in rest "
Real answer, the barrels were lifted so storage would be easier, lifting it up would allow the tanks in front to move closer together, thus allowing for more space for more tanks.
I got the idea of the driver operated mg's to be used , when enemy is trying to run up to the tank and throw molotov cocktail or some magnetic shaped charge etc. on the tank.. the driver could fire all mg's at once, while turning the tanks on spot as fast as it can rotate 360's .. it would spit out on 4 mg's + if gunner decides to use his aswell. .. One could think that the opposing force would hit the dirt and try to hunker for cover instead of running on tank to plant their explosives etc.. At least i would stop on my tracks and think something else or try later again.
I love the game, but what I'm irritating of are the enemy tank, that when you try to reposition your tank when you are engaging the enemy at a fire fight, then another enemy destroyer suddenly appear in front of you and you were surprised for big hit and your knock out, it's unfairly matter, while your monitoring your mini map it was not there.
I'm shaking my head wondering what could be dumber than hull mounted external machineguns. Then Chieftain points out the rear-firing external machineguns.
Cmon show us some German tanks which were in actually in service like the Panther, a Panzer 4, the Stug or something like that! Not the Maus or the Pz.Sfl V!
You do realize there is one Panther in the world and it's somewhere in the USA, right? You can make videos about dozens of vechiles in Kubinka, aranging everything and then travelling thousands of kilometres for a 10 min video about Panther is kind of expensive you know.
Three co axial mounted machine guns/cannons and the machine gun on top of the turret was controlled from within the tank, so there were other options for independent aiming of mg guns without the driver having to rock the tank back n forth. There was no western tank from the 40's 50's or 60's that could stop this machine but it was expensive and way too heavy to be transported on the then flatbed rail cars.
omri arielly You would see additional MGs on almost anything the Israelis had for many decades. Even a .50 cal coax mounted externally on an M109 SPG. And the M5 half-track was a case of "Give everyone a .50 cal or a .30 cal"
TheChieftainWoT well when you put it that way... haha although i think this fashion is a bit over for example the merkava 4 and the Namer basically only have one .50 cal and one 7.62 machine gun
Might the fuel filler caps be located underneath the overhang from the turret rear? If only there was enough room to rotate the turret 90 degrees to one side and check.
It must had been funny if they tried to use all 4 external machine guns at the same time. The driver would be rocking the tank back and forth trying to spray rounds in as well as suddenly breaking and accelerating trying to get the elevation correct, while the gunner and commanders try to move the turret arguing about where the shots are going as they try to look though the periscopes while the tank is bouncing around, haha.
Some one has got to make an animation of that! :P
Lolwutfordawin
Call Ranzar, we have material for him! :D
Lolololo I cant stop laughing
Oh that'd be hilarious
First thing i imagined and came to write,only to be beaten 5 years earlier
I can't believe no one has suggested those machine guns were used to discourage enemies from climbing the tank. Many Soviet tanks used to have a machine gun on the back of their turrets for this reason.
Or for suppressing fire on fortifications if minimal infantry support
The music:
Dowdowdowdowdow diddidderdearderderder.
Repeat 1,000 times.
The machine guns was only used to keep enemy soldiers away from the tank, a common practice by soldiers from any army was to throw grenades or explosives into a hatch to kill the crew or fire RPGs at it since the tank cannot engage any threat that was close to it with its main gun.
The Soviets actually had dedicated anti tank units that specialized in a close combat anti tank role. They mostly used standard or available infantry equipment to show the infantry they could fight back (or propaganda units if you want to look at it that way, they were never that effective compared to more conventional anti tank guns)
perhaps rear facing mgs are meant to shoot conscripts who arent advancing enthusiastically enough.
lol
Too funny, but that sort of thing happened many times.
Loool
Only in Holywood movies! Actually in real live it was a lil bit different.
Maybe to protect the rear of the tank from enemy infantry trying to take pot shots at the back of the tank. I'm willing to bet a Molotov Cocktail thrown at the rear engine bay would easily disable this tank. So I'm betting they put the machine guns to protect the tank from that.
Wow that machine gun on the turret looks even more ridiculous IRL... But please... the IS 7 needs its propeller hat back. Its not a IS 7 without it.
From the front, the IS-7 looks like a Storm Troopers Helmet.
Kinda
beardo52 ....the FICTIONAL storm trooper helmet looks similar to the front of this REAL tank which far predates the conception of the ridiculous cartoon like storm trooper character.
wooooo(mercoid)ooooosh~
Hear something pass by? Hope its not the joke.
The storm trooper helmet is based on the is-7
Nah
Incredible just how ahead of its time the IS7 was.
in russia we make museum to store tanks, but we do not make any lights. when camara crew come bring own lights!.
The goverment won't spend money for lights
S Dew
In Russia lights overrated XD lol
So accurate accent
in soviet Russia you don't make museum to store tanks. tanks make museum to store you
S Dew in Russia tanks store you!
He said "MORE DAKKA!!" He's into 40 k the legend ...:)
MrDiredemon But, Boss! Why'z da tank green, not red? Ev'ry Ork knows, Red goes fasta!
+Magic Medic we'z got rear pointin dakka for'z dat
+Otto Laiho YER ................ OR SOMEFINK LIKE DAT .............. U SMART FOR A PAINBOY :)
+Otto Laiho WELL LAD ITS EEZY TO MAKE A COCKUP YOUZE BOTH 'AS SPANNAHS RIGHT ;)
FOR THE GOD-EMPORER!!!
I don't play WoT, but I really like the design of the IS-7 :) It's a shame it was never used.
alot of people that want's to know the power of this tank, you need to play wot.
@@jayasi1223 dont play is7 in wotb, its so unrealistic.
@@unknownaccount9605 They just buffed it into a Russian murder machine do imma still play it
What does WoT have to do with anything 😂
**Laughs in Jageroo ammoracking IS-7**
Very informative and this guy is really funny.
"We need more room for vodka, Glorious Stalin."
"THEN MAKE EVERYTHING WITHIN THE TURRET AND HULL VODKA!"
"But where are we going to put the machine guns?!"
True story.
more still need balalaika and tame bear
TheLegitPlay You know that the british Challenger 2 actually has small tea kitchen? ;)
+Magic Medic And the TOG.
+Roman Gavrilov the tog is a moving tea party
K&AGamers was yuo talkin to my komrade?
I remember watching this when it came out, in a day this episode turns 5 years old, I feel old
"In the spirit of more Dakka..."
waitwhut? a WH40K reference?
Oi boss! Dem humies got more dakka den us boyz got. We gots to get dem gretchins to work puttin more shootas on dem lootah humie tanks
TheTuberKnownAsMe I can think of 1 guy who does not need any more dakka, in the entire universe . his name, is Ollanius Pius. Enough has been said.
TheTuberKnownAsMe lol just lol you made my day XD
Ther'z aint sutch think az enoughff DAKKA
KellPerEX We show dem humies wots wot wiv deze ere new shootas! WAAAAGH!
love it "somewhere over there"
Also, did anyone else catch that right after he said "More dakka", he said "metal boxes" XD
I know
MEHTUL BAWKSES DA COWARDZ DA FEWLZ
YES! Thank you Chieftain for doing this! I was so looking forward to this tank!
Me too!
I saw one of these Stalin 3's take 7 or 8 rounds of 105mm ap rounds on the front glacis and the turret.
They bounced off!
This tank was designed in the mid 1940'S!
Who else but the Russians!
Ukrainians, Uzbeks, Belorussians, Kazakhs, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Tajiks, Georgians, Moldavians, Lithuanians, Turkmen, Kirgiz, Latvians, Estonians, Abkhaz, Adyghes, Aleuts, Assyrians, Avars, Bashkirs, Bulgars, Buryats, Chechens, Chinese, Chuvash, Cossacks, Evenks, Finns, Gagauz, (Volga and other) Germans, Greeks, Hungarians, Ingushes, Inuit, Jews, Kalmyks, Karakalpaks, Karelians, Kets, Koreans, Lezgins, Maris, Mongols, Mordvins, Nenetses, Ossetians, Poles, Roma, Romanians, Tats, Tatars, Tuvans, Udmurts, and Yakuts as they were also nationalities and/or ethnic groups of the Soviet Union who built this tank
@@michaelhayes4231 wat da Koreans doin in Russia
@@Ryzenger they are called Koryo-saram and there are 500,000 of them in the former Soviet Union.
@@michaelhayes4231 ok never knew that
@@michaelhayes4231 actualy russians make a plan and everyone helps building
Fun fact the reason the is7 wasn’t really produced was because it weighed 65 tons and back then they had a weight limit for a tank and the is7 passed that limit by almost 10 tons
Yeah it was the weight limit on Soviet railways, they transport tanks from factories on trains bc they can't drive them for thousands of kms to where they're needed.
The Rear mounted guns on the turret could probably be used to prevent enemy infantry from getting up on the rear of the tank.
Since turning the turret and Shooting them would be an easy way to clearing any infantry trying to climb ontop of the tank.
The rear-facing machine guns might've been for keeping infantry from climbing onto the tank like those turret rear machine guns other russian heavy tanks had but with twice as much firepower.
They were for frontal suppressive fire while the main gun was facing the rear. Which you'd do when crossing ditches etc.
"In the spirit of More Dakka..."
I love you, Chieftain.
Russian tonk no need fuel. Russian tonk have vodka
TAHK
Yes
@@Hgenlsk4005 badcott btw tau sebutan tank di german? tolol
@@doniramdhan8975 Panzer goblok
What the HELL is a "Tonk"?
It does look like a bit of a beast
do the t95 please, I need to look the inside of that monster
It's going to be pretty hard to get a close-up look of that monster of a tank. It's currently awaiting display at Fort Benning, Georgia. (As of 2011)
I never knew the IS-7 existed....
I don't do research or lookup alot of russian tanks :P
Epic Julian hahahaha realy never saw it in battle??
ok
***** even more didnt...
***** sure. But I think the majority are blueprint or borderline fictional. Take tier ten for example. I think there is 4 vehicles there that existed at all.
Oh cool a warhammer 40k reference 7:30
The best tank ever produced!!!!
lol
Big, bad & Beautiful!
I just love the IS-7.
The IS 7 is the most tank looking tank to have ever been developed
I suspect the designing went like this: after research, the team presented Stalin with a supremely effective tank-killer, capable of defeating any tank on the planet. He- a novice with overwhelming power- asked why a tank-killer had no machineguns.
The designers then looked at each other...
"Okay... You're the Boss..."
Heard him say "more dakka", bumped this up from a like to a fav.
Chieftain + IS-7 review? O'BOY! :D
"In the spirit of more dakka", now you're speaking my langage XD
I could never get tired of watching this Inside the Hatch.
MORE DAKKA!
MOAR DAKKA!!
Imagine how much more watchable this series would be without that annoying rock dirge playing continuously in the background.
I KNOW
I like it
And the annoying host
@Ivan The evil not really, I was having a bad day
STFU pussies, enjoy the free content. Buncha Karen's complaining.
my favorite tank ever.
The IS is the most tank looking tank to have ever tanked
Look at the SWAG is-7
Lit🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Y’all need to make a video on the only SU-100Y
A beast of a tank irl . Thanks for the review.
MOAR DAKKA. Best line ever.
Thanks Chief.
Can't wait to see inside the beast!
The back machine guns were a attempt to keep tank killing infantry squads from climbing on the tank from behind and destroying it. The kv1 also had a machine gun in the back of the turret I believe.
The Japanese equipped some of their tanks with back firing machine guns too. Seriously you were not aware of this chief ? The German Porsche Elephant is a good example of what happens when you have no secondary armament. It was hunted like a dog by Russian infantry when the Germans attempted to use it as a primary break through tank at Kursk. Were all these machine guns needed on this tank? Certainly not but more is better then none or just one in the turret. There were many instances of german tank drivers having to "hose down" the back sides of their own lead panzers with their front machine guns. Even HE was used fired on the back of their own tanks when they ran out of MG/a to drive off Russian tank hunter squads jumping on the back of lead element armor. I imagine this was a real worry to the designers that's why all the machine guns. Oh and one more thing. The did a pretty wise thing IMO about NOT cutting into the front plate of this tank for a machine gun port that would certainly weaken it's armor. It would have been better to fix a remote machine gun for the driver IMO.
But those on IS-7 (Execpt for anti air one) is FIXED. Not rotatable. No elevation or depression at all. I think infantry is sure to avoid the guns and climb on.
What kinda idiot gets killed by fixed guns
Yeah but ball mounts can be flung back into the tank when a tank round hits it thus killing the crew. Fixed or not its a gun and its not gonna get you killed.
These Chieftain's hatch videos are awesome. Just keep them coming, there are plenty of AFV's in museums around the world that you can review after everything at Kubinka is done =)
Like the tanks
More Dakka! Love the 40k reference
Finally IS-7. My Xmas gift!
cool tank old man
Amazing how advanced tank designs had quickly become from nations like Russia, USA, Germany, and France towards the end of WW2.
Chief I think that those fixed machine gun positions were basically defensive measures. If you notice the forward, fixed position MGs are located towards the rear, so as to cover the entire side length of the tank against Infantry.. who are trying to possibly climb up onto the tank or place explosives on it etc. I do not believe that they were intended for medium or long range usage.
Is it me or the lower plate of the IS7 looks incredibly armored and we'll angled. How is it a weak spot Wargaming?
Yes!!! An IS-7 review, yay thanks!!!!!!
Stronk russian engineering! :)
+Luis Cayetano thats how you spell stromg when you are derping with russians
Example: Russian tenk very stronk because we heve the sekrit dokumints xaxaxaxaxaxa))))
+Luis Cayetano btw dunno why but your family name sounds so Phlippinized
8:35 THIS gun only to (in the museum) show, however orginally it can be lowered and can be controlled without going to top of the tank, however the is-7 nearly unfinished or had break down issues.
Mark my words
Obsolete by today's standards, it was still one hell of a tank.
Russians truely know how to build tanks.
-Russians- Citizens of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
It's How he manage to Keep his cool. 4:14
We need more machine guns!!!! We MUST beat the M3-lee with our machine gun count
Laughs in m2
i dont think there was ever a video for the i-1 or the is-2
I am Convinced by this tank and the BMP3 that the Russians have from time to time Outsourced armored vehicle design to Games Workshop.
I imagine that sweet little guitar rift plays where ever the chieftain starts talking about tanks
I wonder what would happen if it was completed before the war and has produced 2000 of them
It will become a nightmare for Tiger l and Tiger ll
If this tank comes out for WT it'll probably be a premium and that Lower frontal glacias and the cupola is going to be the last nail in the coffin from the Cheat-FS spam.
Well, it ended up being a $1500 event vehicle
1:56 "The mantlet, about 35" okk that's nice
"about 35 cm" wait what😳
that's hella thick
Thiccc
Three C’s
THE AMOUNT OF STICK WELDING That was done in the front portion is agregeous to say the very least
Why is the barrel lifted? Is it to stop people from walking into it? What about during a parade? For driver?
the barrel is lifted because if the tank were to go down a steep slope the gun wouldnt dig into the ground infront of it, not sure why lifted when stationary tho, probs to stop people from smacking their heads as u mentioned
thanks for the clarification.
***** Everything those person said is true, but there is also an another reason, well I think.
It's like a infantry soldier pointing the gun on the ground, it tell that it won't fire, well it might fire but it's like a " safe ". In war tank always carry a shell inside the gun, just in case, so they lift the gun to make sure it if they do something wrong the shell will just fly in the air and land somewhere else... which in that case you don't mention it and hope nothing bad happenned the other side uhuh.
So I supose even if there isn't any ammunition in it, they still keep the gun lifted just to say " hey it won't fire at you, it's in rest "
Real answer, the barrels were lifted so storage would be easier, lifting it up would allow the tanks in front to move closer together, thus allowing for more space for more tanks.
Fallus symbol.. even on parade ...
I got the idea of the driver operated mg's to be used , when enemy is trying to run up to the tank and throw molotov cocktail or some magnetic shaped charge etc. on the tank.. the driver could fire all mg's at once, while turning the tanks on spot as fast as it can rotate 360's .. it would spit out on 4 mg's + if gunner decides to use his aswell. ..
One could think that the opposing force would hit the dirt and try to hunker for cover instead of running on tank to plant their explosives etc..
At least i would stop on my tracks and think something else or try later again.
"more daakaa" 😂 i love it...
Hooray more Inside the Chieftain's Hatch!
"Yak tigr" Dat accent tho
Not an accent. Its the proper german pronunciation. Tiger is spelled the same in english and german.
shalol It's the German word of jagdtiger.
Sir Moke no thats false. its spelled jagd tiger but with a i instead of the spelled ei
ah no he didnt pronounced it the english was. He pronounced it right the way we Germans say it.
Dosen't matter what kind tank, but love to see how Chieftain to explain it GJ WG
so lower plate is only 12cm... interesting
Yeah but it's angeled so in practice you would have to penetrate a lot more
One Man Army i said that because in wot its 15cm thickness
@@GabelhelmSogarbraten russian bias
I love the game, but what I'm irritating of are the enemy tank, that when you try to reposition your tank when you are engaging the enemy at a fire fight, then another enemy destroyer suddenly appear in front of you and you were surprised for big hit and your knock out, it's unfairly matter, while your monitoring your mini map it was not there.
in the spirit of More Dakka!
Best tank in the game
What is stowage
Where you can keep stuff I guess. Or maybe ammo stowage.
others would call it storage
Front facing machine guns are for engaging aircraft when the is-7 takes flight
Well protected..until you accidentally angle that pike nose and a Chaffe puts a round through your upper glacis.
arty arty
That upper glacis is 150mm and heavily angled... there's not really anything in ww2 that could penitrate that armor. It's quite ludicrous actually
Bruuuuh or a j panther wrecking you from 2 miles away
Harvey D JPanther can't pen this. I guess, only tank destroyers can do this in.
@@misterharveyd5594 75 mmhigh velocity vs 128mm . It stops both .....
When he showed the is-7 tracks front of her was a obj.277(her means the IS-7)
Gdzie są napisy po Polsku co?
YES BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!
I'm shaking my head wondering what could be dumber than hull mounted external machineguns. Then Chieftain points out the rear-firing external machineguns.
i need inside IS7 ep 2 >,< i have been checking the channel every day like a little boy on xmas haha
vote IS-7 for the tank with the most dakka
Or A7V or the M2 Medium
3:43 That is a tanker elbow right there
Cmon show us some German tanks which were in actually in service like the Panther, a Panzer 4, the Stug or something like that! Not the Maus or the Pz.Sfl V!
You do realize there is one Panther in the world and it's somewhere in the USA, right? You can make videos about dozens of vechiles in Kubinka, aranging everything and then travelling thousands of kilometres for a 10 min video about Panther is kind of expensive you know.
*****
where do you get this info from? and where are they?
Finally IS-7!
MOAR DAKKA!!!
Three co axial mounted machine guns/cannons and the machine gun on top of the turret was controlled from within the tank, so there were other options for independent aiming of mg guns without the driver having to rock the tank back n forth. There was no western tank from the 40's 50's or 60's that could stop this machine but it was expensive and way too heavy to be transported on the then flatbed rail cars.
Israeli's love machine guns they put them on everything? 5:16 ??? as an Israeli i have no idea what you talk about...
still nice video
omri arielly You would see additional MGs on almost anything the Israelis had for many decades. Even a .50 cal coax mounted externally on an M109 SPG. And the M5 half-track was a case of "Give everyone a .50 cal or a .30 cal"
TheChieftainWoT well when you put it that way... haha
although i think this fashion is a bit over for example the merkava 4 and the Namer basically only have one .50 cal and one 7.62 machine gun
Well they do love to kill innocent civilans.
TheGhostTrollek dejvu you are absolutely right! That is what get our motor runnning in the morning killing "innocents"
omri arielly I know that I'm absolutely, israhell shall be brought down to its knees, no more bullshit, that they keep telling people.
What about Part 2?!
We really want to see the insides of the bloody thing!
Im here cuz of that gay ass summer event
Operation S.U.F.F.E.R
Might the fuel filler caps be located underneath the overhang from the turret rear? If only there was enough room to rotate the turret 90 degrees to one side and check.
No offence but look at his upper lip when he talks...lol XD
Just love it when he talks about driver operated mgs :'D
i love his sense of humor
One of the most advanced tanks there are for the era. However I feel the centurion with proper apfsds would penetrate it
Turret definitely. Ufp no