Comparing it to IPSC Real steel where shooters use lower loads of power in their rounds and compensators to minimise recoil etc, but yet they score the TM down for having the least recoil?? Surely that's what you want for instant target requisition??
Especially power, so KJ can do 330 on co2 and gets 10 because of it while rest does 330 on greengas ... and gets half the score... if anything KJ should get penalized for requiring CO2 to jyst match the other 2 ...
I've had a TM hi capa 5.1 since they first came out, same pistol thats seen over ten years of near-constant use. Magazines have come and gone, but the pistol itself has served me faithfully for over ten years. When in doubt: Tokyo marui! The same can be said for my TM M14, my TM P90, my TM FN57. They just never let me down!
P0TAT0_CANN0N I had multiple WE pistols, also had no issue with these and they all performed great and were absolutely gorgeous. I think its more about how you like the looks of the gun than about the manafacturer, all manafacturers do an awesome job :)
what part of the contest seemed bias? Can you give me an example where the category was irrelevant and focused on making marui look good? Or where you feel the marui was given a disproportionately large score, or where the marui ( despite failing the test ) was given a passing score?
? you forget that the opposite is equally true. People without access to marui are likely to value it low since they have to spend extra time and effort to get a product with higher quality but to them its not worth the premium. If you can't get a marui, or have never used one you are very likely to have 0 appreciation of its value.
spoonikle How about the part where they gave the TM a 10 on cold firing, even though it still dropped. Even though it dropped the least, a perfect score seems like it should have been if it didn't drop at all. Then there's the ridiculous upgrade section. He even mentions that most internal upgrades work on the KJW, ignoring the fact that that leaves, for the TM, what? Oh, yeah, stuff like a metal slide. But... wait... the KJW already has one. I guess that potentially leaves things like sights, but it's not as though he goes into detail. Oh, and then there's the fact that the TM is the only one that doesn't have an rail, so that pretty much cripples it as far as any rail based upgrades, doesn't it? Finally, there's the accuracy test, where there was an "outlier" removed from the TM's numbers. There's no indication as to why. It's not stated that the outlier was due to shooter fault, so... what caused it? If it wasn't shooter fault, then why was it removed. Sorry. Totally biased.
I really hated how KJW and WE only lost 15 fps out of the fridge and the TM only lost about 5 fps but yet the score was SO off! 3 and 10?! WTF? Should've been 5/10, 5/10, 7/10...
The scoring seem to be very biased towards TM from the start. In almost any category it under performs it gets a few points off compared to the other two, but whenever it outperforms them, the margin is large. For example on material it's only 2 points lower even it's plastic or on weight, KJW and WE got 1-2 point off for being 10-30g off, while TM got only 4 points off for being 120g off. On the other hand for the grouping the TM got a 9 even though it had a one BB completely veer off, where as the WE had decent grouping (only slightly worse) and got a 5. Also it seems that many of the test were either duplicate (like wobble and accuracy), or biased by default towards the TM, like parts interchangeability. Even without dropping biased tests, by just normalizing the scores (score by place; 1-3), the KJW comes on top.
At the grouping part it's a normal thing to disregard one stray shot if the rest of the shots are tight. Overall, the grouping was way better with the TM.
B.D.B. Yup. I also find it extremely biased to TM. Seriously I've been using both KJW and WE as my GBBR for the reason that I don't have to worry about a plastic part which should be metal from breaking. I have to say that yes the accuracy of the TM is superb, but which is much cheaper to replace a hop-up system or the whole slide or upper and lower reciever.
B.D.B. I agree. I use WE Tech Baby Hi-Capa - Bravo as my sidearm cause its a perfect pistol and its compact in size. I think he was leaning towards TM cause of the made in Japan part.
Agreed. I really dislike the plastic slide of the TM, which is why I use WE, and throughout the whole video I had the exact same feelings about being biased towards TM.
Sooo... basically the KJW one won? I mean, it can use CO2 and you said it very often. CO2 is the most weather resistent gas there is, so it would get a 10 with an CO2 magazine and the Tokyo Marui would get ranked down in this point to a 9 or an 8. It seems to me like you wanted Tokyo Marui to win.
Right1994 Although, at the same time, the KJW probably would of won it hands down with the CO2 mag, but it wouldn't really be fair against the other Hi Capa's.
deafyboy86 yeah that's true. I still prefer my KWA USP45 NS2. I don't even know why, but the NS2 system kicks sharper than anything I ever shot before and I can literally use green gas at around 0°C without noticeable drop in power... As long as I don't go for a second magazine with the same gas charge that is.
There is one thing you completely forgot, Marui is tight and has no wobble, this means that you have to clean it after every mission and it even than gets stuck because of dirt. This is why I left the TM mark and changed to WE, I had 1 HiCapa I sold and now have 2 Glock who ran thousands of shots (these are used by us for kids to run parcours) and had no issue at all! A hi capa from TM gets stuck every couple of shots when dust or dirt gets in. It is similar to Parabellum used by the Germans in WWII.
+Brian Casey I have used both pistols, I got the kj works first because I did not like the plastic but the outer barrel had worn down and cracked within a couple of months. So I bought a TM 5.1 and I have had it for around 8 months with no issues. The normal TM 5.1 mags last just as long as kj works in terms of gas due to the TM light weight slide. The only people who claim TM are bad are the people without TM.
+lawrence deats I never said TM was bad, I actually quite like many of their products. All I was trying to say was that the guy in the video showed way too much bias towards the TM, not taking off enough points for the TM's flaws but overexaggeratibg the flaw of the other two pistols, and deducting too many points for very small trouble spots that hardly matter
TM hands down. You dont need power for pistols. Either their used as a secondary or for cqb, so power is not needed for pistols. TMs are so accurate out of the box. I've had 3 TM hicapas all brand new. Out of the box theyre all accurate without adjusting the sights. I've had KJW, and WE hicapas before when I started plating airsoft. They're good beginner guns and reallt cheap, but theyre not as reliable as the TM internally. The only baf thing about TMs is their plastic slides due to their airsoft law in japan. They will break over time. Imo, the plastics slides makes the gun shoot really nice. Makes shooting response a lot faster since it's lighter. Another thing to compare is the the trigger response. TMs trigger is like butter. Their so sensitive which makes. Try comparing the trigger on these guns by pulling the trigger slowly. You'll notice on the WE and KJW has that restriction on the trigger. Anyway, my WE and KJW needed a lot of repairs after a couple of use. I've had my TM for about a year, and havent found any issues with it. Still on my plastic slide btw.
Why not using KJW CO² mag at low temp ?! Why not stuck the GBB for firing, then the result would not depend of the shooter ? KJ based on Marui Hi-cap got only 4 in upgrades, really ? Any price comparison ? Its strange redwolf gives the win to marui again...
he deducted wayy too many points for when we or kjw shallowed up a bit, but even though the tm was made completely of PLASTIC he gave it a 6. the bias is real
As far as I know Tokyo marui is a favorite of a lot of people, so I was a bit wary of some favoritism here. But I was pleased in the end, if I decided to get one of these myself I'd probably go with the kj works because of the kick or the Tokyo marui because of the cold weather capability. Thanks for the video guys!
I'm watching these videos out of interest rather than looking to purchase. It seems odd to me that for "the most well known GBB pistol in the airsoft world" none of the manufacturers have brought their A-game. Just from the couple of days I've been investigating the current airsoft scene I know that the majority of people would prefer a metal slide and that CO2 is desirable. That is where I'm a little baffled by Tokyo Marui's approach (primarily the plastic slide). Obviously being accurate is desirable for any gun, airsoft or otherwise. So you'd think KJW would pull out the stops and tighten their manufacturing tolerances for a gun which is supposedly one of the most popular. As for WE-Tech. People want sleek, realistic and (I know this word has become stigmatized) tactical looking gear. Tacky or toy like elements can put people off an otherwise good product. Being I'm not experienced with airsoft maybe my opinion is naive, but that's how I see it.
Laws in Japan force TM guns to be made primarily out of plastic instead of metal. However most upgrade parts are designed for the TM, including metal slides.
I have the WE hicapa and im not saying this just cause i have it but my old kjw hi capa lasted about a month on normal use it was inaccurate, inafficient, and was just the world worst gbb pistol and u cant use co2 with it. As for the WE, its still a monster after 3 years! I need a trusty and reliable side arm for me as a hardcore airsofter. ive dropped it on concrete in mud and water but it still runs great with comon maintainence. If u r looking for a bad and usless gbb than KJW is ur choice but for a good reliable gbb/co2 gun WE is what u need!
In my experience 1. the grouping of KJW was about 5cm (10m distance) with gun fixed to chair & pillow 2. about 10~15cm, shooting with standing position 3. When shooting on standing position , Using normal gas showed better gouping than using green gas at 10m distance so it is possible that stronger blowback & heavier slide weight may make grouping worse.
Newer WE Version is called "Force" T-Rex model which i saw in BB2K Airsoft's review , something that Redwolf Airsoft forgot to mention to WE Tech's new product .
Got a WE 5.2K. While cheap, it's quite useful and accurate. Not TM Accurate but more than able to hit a mansized target at around 10-15m reliably, and is quite good for the snappy trigger finger. The magazines however are the problem, as they do not actuate the slide catch reliably 90% of the time. Going for a WE and opting for TM Magazines would serve you well as a cheaper option.
Just buy the TM. I started with a 90 dollar WE-tech dragon 5.1. Awful tolerances, awful finish, malfunctions, all around very poor. I then bought a KJW 5.1 a few years ago. It is alright, but mine has some issues. The thumb safety is stuck due to the way it fits with the pin that holds it in place, and the right side is loose due to the socket in which the right and left side fit together being stripped. The slide wobbles a little, but overall the tolerances are much better than the WE. The metal is QUITE a bit better. The slide is quite heavy, and it almost never engages the slide stop due to cooldown + weight. This is even after 150% springs. What sucks is that it is not 100% compatible with TM, or else it might have been a good "cheap" platform where I could have replaced everything anyway. Someday, I will buy a TM hi-capa. I could have saved $200 by not buying either of the other two and just bought it 5 years ago. With that saved $200, I could have also purchased an aftermarket fancy slide for it, new springs, tight-bore, and an aftermarket external barrel or loading nozzle which would have made it way better than any of these competitors, as if it weren't good enough already.
you said the WE wasnt very upgradeable due to the need for modification... Ive managed to change my inner barrel, my loading nozzle , loading nozzle o ring upgrade and alot of my springs aswell as the slide (guarder), grip, magwell and trigger. Have you even opened up a WE tech gun? Theyre fully compatable with TM parts in my opinion apart from my slide which I had to slowly file away for it to get an airtight fit the gun accepted everything I put on it easilly.
The love for TM was strong in this video. I had a KJW for 4 years and the hammer finally started to wear so I tried the TM and KJW at the store. I was sold with the mainly metal KJW over the TM. The TM having a plastic upper was a bad to me so I gave it a 2. The KJW was metal so I gave it a 11. lol
You got the magazine score totally backwards, the WE accepted all other magazines while the other two failed to accept the WE magazine. That means the WE gun is more compatible than the others
Ive had 1 WE 1911 for a while. never had a problem with normal maitenence. shoots 325 consistently and the accuracy is actually really good. not as good as my kwa m9 ptp but thats twice the price.
sure i could use that kjw but i would rather use the kjw kp06 or rail concept as some stores call it. that's basically a already modified hi capa plus it has an extended slide release that is the only thing i would want to upgrade in any 1911 or hi capa.
I understand that Marui won, but the only reason Marui has a plastic slide is because they can't build a metal one since the airsoft laws are different in Japan. Also, since it has a plastic slide it will shoot a lot faster, and it will be better on gas.
Price should of also been a factor. consider the WE tech one its at about 90 bucks at evike. And they have lots of upgrade parts for both TM and WE versions. I own a kwa 1911 mark 2 and its been great, Almost 2 years and haven't upgraded or replace any parts on it. However it lacks power like the HI CAPA. That's why I'm considering buy one.
To be honest I was expecting the tokyo marui to win which I'm glad they did since I recently got one for my first pistol the 4.3 hi capa. On another note I'm quite happy it's pretty much all made of polymer since it's only a pistol I want it to be light.
the scoring system confuses me. like why would you give it a vastly smaller amount of points purely because it has a plastic slide (btw that actually decreases recoil due to the lighter weight)? and why would you want the gun to be heavier overall too? on top of that, why in the hell would you rate the WE gun highest for having the most recoil? I thought that was bad. these tests seriously make no sense.
Exactly as I expected. The TM is obviously the highest quality one out there, and the WE the lowest. WE simply under-performs and breaks way more easily.
8 years later and WE is still terrible at least in my case. I bought a Glock and immediately out of the it had firing issues. I opened it up to see if I could fix it and a slight slip of my screw driver cut off some of the cheap pot metal like it was butter.
I'm super new to airsoft and wanna shoot a 1911 as my primary and only weapon... I have been doing homework for months now and still have no idea what to buy. I need range and accuracy. What do you guys recommend?
John Brown Revolvers are fun but very impractical. If you dont mind the fact that hi-capas are not used in real combat, then a hi-capa is probably your best option because they have great capacity and accuracy. (Also keep in mind they are much fatter than a 1911). If you do choose hi-capa then the best is probably the TM, HOWEVER if you want a full metal pistol I think the best is the new armorer works hi-capas. Finally if you do want a gun used in real combat, KJW makes some solid full-metal pistols.
John Brown you wont be allowed to use a high fps revolver with a scope in most fields,besides its very impractical and innacurate,for pistols I would say Marui: high capa 5.1 (reinforced slide) or px4 or even the 5-7 are good choices for grenades I would say tornado for bbs and thunder-b for noise, minotaur or oxiboom for room clearing as they are heavy,multiple use impact grenades (they use blank fire)
Love these reviews and head to heads! Would there be any chance off doing the top pistol in each off it's class and then the overall best pistol. I'm looking to buy another but since there is so many I don't knw what to choose from. Something with a good kick an a nice build.
I have the KJ hicappa with no issues, bout a thousand rounds in. Use WE mags and the slide locks every time. Only problem I have is if I put the mag in too hard the slide goes forward.
Thats a pretty big issue with the WE mags... they are not made too well if you have a problem like that. Definitely not a knock on the KJ-works pistol though. The WE did surprisingly well in this test, I own a WE and i am not at all happy with the build quality and it is failing me regularly after only 20 magazines worth of ammo, and plenty of lube.
spoonikle The mags on the We have a few issues, 1 their follower sping is too soft 2 the follower is not the right spec to always lock the slide on the other 2 guns. and 3, I don't think their finish is as good as most others. One big problem with a lot of the wes is the metal is too heavy also their pistons wobble if you add a washer to fix the wobble it improves a lot. I am pretty sure there is a youtube video about it.
To be honest there are some things u can do to ur gun that cost little to nothing and they improve performance you just have to know what ur doing. "polishing the slide for example"
One thing I really hate about TM is their plastic slides. On pistols that supposed to have plastic slides , but hi-capa is another story... In a matter of few days the slide will start to wear off, and it will never be able to lock back. Of course, most people would get a metal slide at some point anyway. But the stock slide simply sucks.
Hello, Tim! My name is Carlos, I'm from Brazil and always watch your videos on youtube. Congratulations, are very good and educational ... But I realize that in the comparisons between GBB pistols, WE always the losers. Here in Brazil, we love the WE and the Tokyo Marui are losing because of the bolt and pálstico slide. I would suggest a test with a pistol WE moved to CO2 gas. And we will see the real differences ... After you tell me the discovery. I wish a good job and good business in 2015. Thank you, Carlos. (I have a WE Hi-Capa Draagon 7)...
This scoring system is all over the place.
Right? It made no damn sense!
Haha yeah. Pick a number, any number
Comparing it to IPSC Real steel where shooters use lower loads of power in their rounds and compensators to minimise recoil etc, but yet they score the TM down for having the least recoil?? Surely that's what you want for instant target requisition??
Ur def right👍🏻
Especially power, so KJ can do 330 on co2 and gets 10 because of it while rest does 330 on greengas ... and gets half the score... if anything KJ should get penalized for requiring CO2 to jyst match the other 2 ...
lol TM is best for the cold, just ignore the co2 compatible kjw
Was just about to say that.
The KJW's break on CO2 anyways.
So what
I've had a TM hi capa 5.1 since they first came out, same pistol thats seen over ten years of near-constant use. Magazines have come and gone, but the pistol itself has served me faithfully for over ten years. When in doubt: Tokyo marui!
The same can be said for my TM M14, my TM P90, my TM FN57. They just never let me down!
Using green gas or duster?
I feel like they just despise WE
After looking at WE and KJW pistols closely I can say that I agree that WE probably deserves some of that hate.
I also looked at KJW and WE, KJW has some low freaking quality plastic, there is NO COMPARISON at all...
I have a KJW and I dont have any problem with it. The Hicapa 1911 KJW I have is pretty solid and performs great.
P0TAT0_CANN0N I had multiple WE pistols, also had no issue with these and they all performed great and were absolutely gorgeous. I think its more about how you like the looks of the gun than about the manafacturer, all manafacturers do an awesome job :)
I've had a WE for several years. No issues with the pistol itself!
This video felt biased towards marui
what part of the contest seemed bias? Can you give me an example where the category was irrelevant and focused on making marui look good?
Or where you feel the marui was given a disproportionately large score, or where the marui ( despite failing the test ) was given a passing score?
People with access to Mauri ( without importing) are alway going to be biased towards it
? you forget that the opposite is equally true.
People without access to marui are likely to value it low since they have to spend extra time and effort to get a product with higher quality but to them its not worth the premium.
If you can't get a marui, or have never used one you are very likely to have 0 appreciation of its value.
Just because Marui is better doesn't mean they're biased.
spoonikle
How about the part where they gave the TM a 10 on cold firing, even though it still dropped. Even though it dropped the least, a perfect score seems like it should have been if it didn't drop at all.
Then there's the ridiculous upgrade section. He even mentions that most internal upgrades work on the KJW, ignoring the fact that that leaves, for the TM, what? Oh, yeah, stuff like a metal slide. But... wait... the KJW already has one. I guess that potentially leaves things like sights, but it's not as though he goes into detail. Oh, and then there's the fact that the TM is the only one that doesn't have an rail, so that pretty much cripples it as far as any rail based upgrades, doesn't it?
Finally, there's the accuracy test, where there was an "outlier" removed from the TM's numbers. There's no indication as to why. It's not stated that the outlier was due to shooter fault, so... what caused it? If it wasn't shooter fault, then why was it removed.
Sorry. Totally biased.
welcome to the most biased review of the hi-capa ever. may as well put TM as the winner of everything.
I know and the we is always the shittest of shit.
I really hated how KJW and WE only lost 15 fps out of the fridge and the TM only lost about 5 fps but yet the score was SO off! 3 and 10?! WTF? Should've been 5/10, 5/10, 7/10...
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@@ilikeariba1962 it's kinda shit tbh
I just love that there is a minigun lying in the floor to the left xD
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The scoring seem to be very biased towards TM from the start. In almost any category it under performs it gets a few points off compared to the other two, but whenever it outperforms them, the margin is large. For example on material it's only 2 points lower even it's plastic or on weight, KJW and WE got 1-2 point off for being 10-30g off, while TM got only 4 points off for being 120g off. On the other hand for the grouping the TM got a 9 even though it had a one BB completely veer off, where as the WE had decent grouping (only slightly worse) and got a 5. Also it seems that many of the test were either duplicate (like wobble and accuracy), or biased by default towards the TM, like parts interchangeability.
Even without dropping biased tests, by just normalizing the scores (score by place; 1-3), the KJW comes on top.
At the grouping part it's a normal thing to disregard one stray shot if the rest of the shots are tight. Overall, the grouping was way better with the TM.
B.D.B. Yup. I also find it extremely biased to TM. Seriously I've been using both KJW and WE as my GBBR for the reason that I don't have to worry about a plastic part which should be metal from breaking. I have to say that yes the accuracy of the TM is superb, but which is much cheaper to replace a hop-up system or the whole slide or upper and lower reciever.
B.D.B. I agree. I use WE Tech Baby Hi-Capa - Bravo as my sidearm cause its a perfect pistol and its compact in size. I think he was leaning towards TM cause of the made in Japan part.
Agreed. I really dislike the plastic slide of the TM, which is why I use WE, and throughout the whole video I had the exact same feelings about being biased towards TM.
Sooo... basically the KJW one won? I mean, it can use CO2 and you said it very often. CO2 is the most weather resistent gas there is, so it would get a 10 with an CO2 magazine and the Tokyo Marui would get ranked down in this point to a 9 or an 8. It seems to me like you wanted Tokyo Marui to win.
It's not that weather resistant, he proved the TM lost the least power in the cold.
deafyboy86 Yeah but at the same time he used the gas-type magazine, not the CO2-type magazine.
Right1994 Although, at the same time, the KJW probably would of won it hands down with the CO2 mag, but it wouldn't really be fair against the other Hi Capa's.
deafyboy86 yeah that's true.
I still prefer my KWA USP45 NS2. I don't even know why, but the NS2 system kicks sharper than anything I ever shot before and I can literally use green gas at around 0°C without noticeable drop in power... As long as I don't go for a second magazine with the same gas charge that is.
"Co2 is the most weather resistant gas"
Lol no
You can just FEEL the bias towards the TM pistol.
+Brian Casey yup
+Brian Casey Oooooor it's just the best model?
nope the kjw is far superior... high-quality metal AND co2 capability with minimal play in the slide
and lower quality internals
actually, no, then why can it take co2 if it's so "low quality" on the inside?
Upgraded TMs are the best. Period.
TM all the way, upgrades or not.
@@RyzeVibez5 Yes
Enfin un comparatif qui ne nous laisse pas dans le doute à la fin et qui répond enfin aux questions essentiels d'un airsofteur. Merci RedWolf Airsoft
Getting ready to start doing airsoft, this is the best full rounded testing that I have seen keep it up guys.
if your still around on youtube, what have about have you got so far on airsoft and what have you learned?
Such scientific test of accuracy...
And price isn't a factor in this...
This channel has some serious tm biased, they are probably getting paid to give it a better review overall.
their a business of course their gonna want to sell their most expensive products over the cheaper models
The airsoft community needs to grow. A fairly popular company being biased like this is just a nasty move that's entirely unnecessary.
Glad to see I wasn't the only one sensing bias.
yeah
Not exactly all biased. You can't really put a fault to tokyo marui guns at all.
There is one thing you completely forgot, Marui is tight and has no wobble, this means that you have to clean it after every mission and it even than gets stuck because of dirt. This is why I left the TM mark and changed to WE, I had 1 HiCapa I sold and now have 2 Glock who ran thousands of shots (these are used by us for kids to run parcours) and had no issue at all! A hi capa from TM gets stuck every couple of shots when dust or dirt gets in. It is similar to Parabellum used by the Germans in WWII.
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also for the cold weather test why tf did the kjw get a 3 when IT CAN USE CO2
+Brian Casey I have no clue.
+Brian Casey its because the TM was better
+Brian Casey I have used both pistols, I got the kj works first because I did not like the plastic but the outer barrel had worn down and cracked within a couple of months. So I bought a TM 5.1 and I have had it for around 8 months with no issues. The normal TM 5.1 mags last just as long as kj works in terms of gas due to the TM light weight slide. The only people who claim TM are bad are the people without TM.
+lawrence deats I never said TM was bad, I actually quite like many of their products. All I was trying to say was that the guy in the video showed way too much bias towards the TM, not taking off enough points for the TM's flaws but overexaggeratibg the flaw of the other two pistols, and deducting too many points for very small trouble spots that hardly matter
+Brian Casey fair enough, but after having TM I can hardly fault it.
TM hands down. You dont need power for pistols. Either their used as a secondary or for cqb, so power is not needed for pistols. TMs are so accurate out of the box. I've had 3 TM hicapas all brand new. Out of the box theyre all accurate without adjusting the sights. I've had KJW, and WE hicapas before when I started plating airsoft. They're good beginner guns and reallt cheap, but theyre not as reliable as the TM internally. The only baf thing about TMs is their plastic slides due to their airsoft law in japan. They will break over time. Imo, the plastics slides makes the gun shoot really nice. Makes shooting response a lot faster since it's lighter. Another thing to compare is the the trigger response. TMs trigger is like butter. Their so sensitive which makes. Try comparing the trigger on these guns by pulling the trigger slowly. You'll notice on the WE and KJW has that restriction on the trigger. Anyway, my WE and KJW needed a lot of repairs after a couple of use. I've had my TM for about a year, and havent found any issues with it. Still on my plastic slide btw.
Why not using KJW CO² mag at low temp ?! Why not stuck the GBB for firing, then the result would not depend of the shooter ? KJ based on Marui Hi-cap got only 4 in upgrades, really ? Any price comparison ? Its strange redwolf gives the win to marui again...
he deducted wayy too many points for when we or kjw shallowed up a bit, but even though the tm was made completely of PLASTIC he gave it a 6. the bias is real
srry not a 6 a 5 but still
The bias towards tm in the video is cringeworthy
+Brian Casey kjw-fanboi detected.
+Elestro Air-soft Hej.
You do realize that there are metal parts on this.....
One of my favorite videos to date from Redwolf. Very thorough review.
Yay! Brilliant! Tim got round to do the Hi Capa review! Nice work Tim!
As far as I know Tokyo marui is a favorite of a lot of people, so I was a bit wary of some favoritism here. But I was pleased in the end, if I decided to get one of these myself I'd probably go with the kj works because of the kick or the Tokyo marui because of the cold weather capability. Thanks for the video guys!
The Tokyo marui 5.1 hi capa seems to be basically impossible to get your hands on but I'm so happy I got the last one in stock basically anywhere
Very nice comparison. So glad I got TM.
I'm watching these videos out of interest rather than looking to purchase. It seems odd to me that for "the most well known GBB pistol in the airsoft world" none of the manufacturers have brought their A-game.
Just from the couple of days I've been investigating the current airsoft scene I know that the majority of people would prefer a metal slide and that CO2 is desirable. That is where I'm a little baffled by Tokyo Marui's approach (primarily the plastic slide).
Obviously being accurate is desirable for any gun, airsoft or otherwise. So you'd think KJW would pull out the stops and tighten their manufacturing tolerances for a gun which is supposedly one of the most popular.
As for WE-Tech. People want sleek, realistic and (I know this word has become stigmatized) tactical looking gear. Tacky or toy like elements can put people off an otherwise good product.
Being I'm not experienced with airsoft maybe my opinion is naive, but that's how I see it.
Laws in Japan force TM guns to be made primarily out of plastic instead of metal. However most upgrade parts are designed for the TM, including metal slides.
OfficialSam Useful info, thanks. I knew Japan had certain restrictions but didn't know that was one of them.
napalmhardcore Yup, it's really too bad, imagine how great they could be without those laws.
Sorry, but you forget the most important ... Hi capa Swiss Arms 5.1 (From Spartan Imports) !
As soon as you said that the kj works was the only that took co2 I immediately liked it the most
I have the WE hicapa and im not saying this just cause i have it but my old kjw hi capa lasted about a month on normal use it was inaccurate, inafficient, and was just the world worst gbb pistol and u cant use co2 with it. As for the WE, its still a monster after 3 years! I need a trusty and reliable side arm for me as a hardcore airsofter. ive dropped it on concrete in mud and water but it still runs great with comon maintainence. If u r looking for a bad and usless gbb than KJW is ur choice but for a good reliable gbb/co2 gun WE is what u need!
I just bought the kjw its a beast and I love the weight and metal slide
The co2 capabilities of the kjw sold me completely because I have easy access to co2 where I live
I just ordered the kjw kp05 so I am very happy that it did well in this
My buddy has been using a TM Hi-capa on propane for 3 years, when he tried to use a WE and KJW they broke after 6 months
AftershockAirsoft, KJW Gbbs are known for their reliability and durability?? Maybe your buddy got a lemon..
You should fix the gun on something, so you can test the grouping a bit better. (only a suggest)
I have a 3.8 and it runs perfect for me. It's compact size and light frame helps speedsofting become easy versus having the bigger pistols
Where would I even go about getting one of these?
@@Soapy_Sophie612nowhere, just get tm
In my experience
1. the grouping of KJW was about 5cm (10m distance) with gun fixed to chair & pillow
2. about 10~15cm, shooting with standing position
3. When shooting on standing position , Using normal gas showed better gouping
than using green gas at 10m distance
so it is possible that stronger blowback & heavier slide weight may make grouping worse.
Newer WE Version is called "Force" T-Rex model which i saw in BB2K Airsoft's review , something that Redwolf Airsoft forgot to mention to WE Tech's new product .
Muhammad Najmi x do you see when this was posted lol
I would have thrown a WA Infinity into the test to see how the original airsoft 2011 stacks up to modern TM based guns. And a KSC 2011 too.
I swear I did not find a site or channel better than RedWolf
You are always better
Got a WE 5.2K.
While cheap, it's quite useful and accurate. Not TM Accurate but more than able to hit a mansized target at around 10-15m reliably, and is quite good for the snappy trigger finger. The magazines however are the problem, as they do not actuate the slide catch reliably 90% of the time. Going for a WE and opting for TM Magazines would serve you well as a cheaper option.
Just buy the TM. I started with a 90 dollar WE-tech dragon 5.1. Awful tolerances, awful finish, malfunctions, all around very poor.
I then bought a KJW 5.1 a few years ago. It is alright, but mine has some issues. The thumb safety is stuck due to the way it fits with the pin that holds it in place, and the right side is loose due to the socket in which the right and left side fit together being stripped. The slide wobbles a little, but overall the tolerances are much better than the WE. The metal is QUITE a bit better. The slide is quite heavy, and it almost never engages the slide stop due to cooldown + weight. This is even after 150% springs. What sucks is that it is not 100% compatible with TM, or else it might have been a good "cheap" platform where I could have replaced everything anyway.
Someday, I will buy a TM hi-capa. I could have saved $200 by not buying either of the other two and just bought it 5 years ago. With that saved $200, I could have also purchased an aftermarket fancy slide for it, new springs, tight-bore, and an aftermarket external barrel or loading nozzle which would have made it way better than any of these competitors, as if it weren't good enough already.
+Daniel Hall They have bad quality control, so that's not much of a strong point :T
Tm master race
Great vid, I am a red wolf fan. You guys had some rare mp7 upgrades. Delivered on time and intact. Price availability delivery A's
the cold weather test is kinda bs considering the kjw can run co2
It's even worse if you consider the WE and KJW have metal slides, meaning a whole lot more work for the recoil spring.
Really good review dude 👌🏽
@ 9:00 "I got my ticket for the long way 'round
Two bottle 'a whiskey for the way" - the gun song
9:50 you should change the shutterspeed of your camera so you dont get that flicker-effect from your lights (lefthand side)
you said the WE wasnt very upgradeable due to the need for modification... Ive managed to change my inner barrel, my loading nozzle , loading nozzle o ring upgrade and alot of my springs aswell as the slide (guarder), grip, magwell and trigger.
Have you even opened up a WE tech gun? Theyre fully compatable with TM parts in my opinion apart from my slide which I had to slowly file away for it to get an airtight fit the gun accepted everything I put on it easilly.
We can also say it is not depend on how powerful the gun is, sometimes it depends on how the user of the gun great in using it .
The love for TM was strong in this video. I had a KJW for 4 years and the hammer finally started to wear so I tried the TM and KJW at the store. I was sold with the mainly metal KJW over the TM. The TM having a plastic upper was a bad to me so I gave it a 2. The KJW was metal so I gave it a 11. lol
Marui Master Race, assemble!!!
TM Desert Eagle .50AE reporting in!
I've got two TM 1911 Gov'ts myself.
All about the TM Glocks
Tm G17 and Heavily modded G26 advance
TM 1911 Mk.IV Series 70, and a customized TM PX4.
Nope no TM bias here. Move along.
I couldn't understand why tokyo marui got just 2 in the power test. It hit 330fps, almost same as the others.
This dude be all like "Mariu sounds more asian like me, so it got a 10, WE sounds normal, so it got 2"
You got the magazine score totally backwards, the WE accepted all other magazines while the other two failed to accept the WE magazine. That means the WE gun is more compatible than the others
Got a tm hi capa and already got a cnc steel silde on it with a new recoil spring kicks hard snappy and accurate
Ive had 1 WE 1911 for a while. never had a problem with normal maitenence. shoots 325 consistently and the accuracy is actually really good. not as good as my kwa m9 ptp but thats twice the price.
Very interesting review. I wonder if you redo this review against the recent Armorer Works versions?
I just recently got the KJW, it's awesome once u get used to the feel. If u got any questions plz ask.
Isaiah Asher: yes you can, when u buy the gg version, all that means is it includes a gg mag, just go buy a Co2 mag and ur set.
Isn’t the point of a high-capa is to be light why does the lightest one get the lowest score
for the KJ works one
for the fridge test, was it a co2 Mag or a green gaz one..
Cuz well, it actually can be used in cold weather lol
Nice, more of these types of videos, please.
These all look like solid, ok-good quality. Prices?
Thanks for this, it helped me find my new pistol
Thanks, very helpful video
Waiting for M9 brand comparison.
sure i could use that kjw but i would rather use the kjw kp06 or rail concept as some stores call it. that's basically a already modified hi capa plus it has an extended slide release that is the only thing i would want to upgrade in any 1911 or hi capa.
Did you do an all-weather test on KJW with its CO2 mags?
I understand that Marui won, but the only reason Marui has a plastic slide is because they can't build a metal one since the airsoft laws are different in Japan. Also, since it has a plastic slide it will shoot a lot faster, and it will be better on gas.
Price should of also been a factor. consider the WE tech one its at about 90 bucks at evike. And they have lots of upgrade parts for both TM and WE versions. I own a kwa 1911 mark 2 and its been great, Almost 2 years and haven't upgraded or replace any parts on it. However it lacks power like the HI CAPA. That's why I'm considering buy one.
Hi capas are cheaper and more reliable right?
Cheaper and more reliable than what?
I have the 4.3 we hi-capa and i love the gun never had an issue its co2 and green gas
The outer barrel and slide on my WE Tech don't wobble at all.
To be honest I was expecting the tokyo marui to win which I'm glad they did since I recently got one for my first pistol the 4.3 hi capa. On another note I'm quite happy it's pretty much all made of polymer since it's only a pistol I want it to be light.
Great Review!
You should should do it again but without being biased
Could you fit a co2 mag from kj and put it in another model or it does not fit? Not a fan of green gas🤔
Great video ever!
i have a WE its nice, needs alot of upgrading to make it as good as a TM though
the scoring system confuses me. like why would you give it a vastly smaller amount of points purely because it has a plastic slide (btw that actually decreases recoil due to the lighter weight)? and why would you want the gun to be heavier overall too? on top of that, why in the hell would you rate the WE gun highest for having the most recoil? I thought that was bad. these tests seriously make no sense.
the tm got a "2" for power even though it was on par with the WE and power is actually a bad thing for cqb... scoring system is pure rubbish here.
When you tested the cold weather performance for the kjw did you use green gas? would co2 perform better then?
Can you review G&G new gbb rifles series? Are they good?
On the Tokyo Marui 5.1 Hi Capa only the slide is plastic or the entire gun is plastic?
Exactly as I expected. The TM is obviously the highest quality one out there, and the WE the lowest. WE simply under-performs and breaks way more easily.
8 years later and WE is still terrible at least in my case. I bought a Glock and immediately out of the it had firing issues. I opened it up to see if I could fix it and a slight slip of my screw driver cut off some of the cheap pot metal like it was butter.
9:52 can we please see some info about that 10/22? I've seen it in almost all the video and I really want to know about it, Kjw or Tanio Koba?
I think it is airsoft surgeons custom based on kjw(?). It's slightly reviewed in one of their new products video.
I'm super new to airsoft and wanna shoot a 1911 as my primary and only weapon... I have been doing homework for months now and still have no idea what to buy. I need range and accuracy. What do you guys recommend?
John Brown Have you decided which?
I was thinking Gold Match and a Dan Wesson Revolver with a 4x scope. I wanna run pistols and grenades. What do you think is a great pistol?
John Brown Revolvers are fun but very impractical. If you dont mind the fact that hi-capas are not used in real combat, then a hi-capa is probably your best option because they have great capacity and accuracy. (Also keep in mind they are much fatter than a 1911). If you do choose hi-capa then the best is probably the TM, HOWEVER if you want a full metal pistol I think the best is the new armorer works hi-capas. Finally if you do want a gun used in real combat, KJW makes some solid full-metal pistols.
John Brown you wont be allowed to use a high fps revolver with a scope in most fields,besides its very impractical and innacurate,for pistols I would say Marui: high capa 5.1 (reinforced slide) or px4 or even the 5-7 are good choices
for grenades I would say tornado for bbs and thunder-b for noise, minotaur or oxiboom for room clearing as they are heavy,multiple use impact grenades (they use blank fire)
Tokyo Marui has always been best GBB Pistol manufacturer, all these guns are working great out of the box.
I do not care what anyone says i have upgraded my W.E Hi Capa and i love it and the barrel may wobble but it still has great accuracy.
Yeah! Even though people say that is sucks, they forgot that we can buy upgrade parts for it.
is the WE hi capa T-rex good?
Did they use RNG's for these numbers?
Love these reviews and head to heads! Would there be any chance off doing the top pistol in each off it's class and then the overall best pistol. I'm looking to buy another but since there is so many I don't knw what to choose from. Something with a good kick an a nice build.
I have the KJ hicappa with no issues, bout a thousand rounds in. Use WE mags and the slide locks every time. Only problem I have is if I put the mag in too hard the slide goes forward.
Thats a pretty big issue with the WE mags... they are not made too well if you have a problem like that.
Definitely not a knock on the KJ-works pistol though. The WE did surprisingly well in this test, I own a WE and i am not at all happy with the build quality and it is failing me regularly after only 20 magazines worth of ammo, and plenty of lube.
spoonikle The mags on the We have a few issues, 1 their follower sping is too soft 2 the follower is not the right spec to always lock the slide on the other 2 guns. and 3, I don't think their finish is as good as most others. One big problem with a lot of the wes is the metal is too heavy also their pistons wobble if you add a washer to fix the wobble it improves a lot. I am pretty sure there is a youtube video about it.
Douglas Duda hmm, I never thought of modifying the pistol to improve its performance.. it was just so rubbish I didn't think of trying.
spoonikle It's an issue with the gun, even the 2 KJ mags do it. Recoil spring looks to be too soft so there isnt alot of tension on the slide.
To be honest there are some things u can do to ur gun that cost little to nothing and they improve performance you just have to know what ur doing. "polishing the slide for example"
What you think about the KJ Works 1911 GBB/CO2?
Without a baseline to compare the 5.1s to, where do the numbers come from?
were the orange tip removed from the tm hi capa gold match, would it reveal a threaded barrel?
One thing I really hate about TM is their plastic slides. On pistols that supposed to have plastic slides , but hi-capa is another story...
In a matter of few days the slide will start to wear off, and it will never be able to lock back. Of course, most people would get a metal slide at some point anyway. But the stock slide simply sucks.
which airlift pistol had the "best" accuracy?
What Tokyo Marui did you use
Hello, Tim! My name is Carlos, I'm from Brazil and always watch your videos on youtube. Congratulations, are very good and educational ... But I realize that in the comparisons between GBB pistols, WE always the losers. Here in Brazil, we love the WE and the Tokyo Marui are losing because of the bolt and pálstico slide. I would suggest a test with a pistol WE moved to CO2 gas. And we will see the real differences ... After you tell me the discovery. I wish a good job and good business in 2015. Thank you, Carlos. (I have a WE Hi-Capa Draagon 7)...
would the tokyo marui magazine work well in cold weather in another gun like it did its own gun?
ok thanks