Your question makes me wonder if this is really was an accident. :D Could it be some sort of a community experiment? Did notice something was off, didn't really care to pay much attention to it.
I'm interested in the difference between the feminine Ni in the savior state vs the feminine Ni in the demon state, and with all the other functions, too.
I have never even heard of this! How curious. Where did you encounter this? OP? I’ve known for a while now that I’m very poor with auditory processing. I wonder if this may help explain that.
I think that for me it goes like this, feminine Ne and masculine Ti. Your Ni is really impressive, it is incredible how easily you managed to make the topic simple. I wish I could do that but I would not trade my Ne because it keeps me entertained, even tho it makes my thoughts chaotic. It is both a gift and a curse.
This thing needs SO MANY EXAMPLES to be pretty well understood! I mean, real examples, real observations. Let's dream and say that if we have 30 examples of every function of the eight in every modality of the two then it will be great! I've been thinking of it since D&S talked about it on UA-cam. It looks really amazing! Thank you!
I discovered Si when I got run over by a truck. Of course, I discovered it in much the same way that Columbus discovered America, and the experience was similarly catastrophic.
I think masculin and feminin relationships to values go a bit like -masculin : ready to fight and potentialy die to promote/protect his values -feminin : ready to adopt new values if needed, in order to fit in the group and not fight/die really linked to evolutionary psychology IMO, could be cool to have your view on that and how it relates to MBTI Lindsey :)
I like this, but I would like to add the tribe/self dichotomy as well. =) - M Fi: fights/protects their own values - M Fe: fights/protects the values of their tribe - F Fi: ready to adopt new values for themselves (identity) - F Fe: adopts new values to fit in with new tribes
@@ryankroon8526 I remember my ESTP "friend" in Middle school seemed to display feminine Fe. He had stopped hanging out with me and I called him to say that my cat had died, I suppose to look for sympathy. He said "So?"(this may be masculine Se). I said "You're my friend. Aren't you supposed to make me feel better"? He said "I have new friends now, you should get new friends too". See, wishy washy feeling bs to get in with a new tribe of nitwits that he went on to abandon a few years later.
But if the only reason you adopt new values is to fit in with the group, that sounds like straight up Fe. Fi wouldn't change it's values just to be a part of the group even if it's feminine. But it might be more soft/flexible on what their own values ought to be- sort of a longer journey of "who am I really." Hard to say though, I think I have masculine Fi so I don't have that perspective, it would be interesting to hear from someone with feminine Fi.
The intuition explanation was slightly confusing to me, since Ne generally sees many possibilities naturally, but I believe that I do have savior masculine Ne. I guess it would be good to get more clarification between masculine/feminine Ni and Ne.
I get your struggles, The way I understand my D Feminine Ni is more like I (think) I'm seeing the best possible path forward but I'm never running on the path with full speed, instead I walk slowly and may or may not find 1 or 2 directions on the path that could be modified if necessary If I have too but Masculine Ni for someone else is just go go go on the path originally decided. So imagine using a GPS as Feminine Ni and choosing to turn a block earlier rather than what the GPS suggested to now have the GPS reroute a single new path to my destination. It may have only changed it by 1 turn or 2 but thats all. I think Masculine Ni is decisive and fast paced. Masculine Ne is the same but they will say or believe there are 5 guaranteed options we could take so choose one quickly and if you won't than I will choose one for you 😠. Whereas Feminine Ne will be more patient and flexible with the 5 paths or maybe 6 paths or 7 🤔😁.
I had a sense of what mine would be and this confirms I was right. INTJ-Feminine Ni Feminine Fi/Masculine Te Masculine Se. I remember dates and timelines very well.
Notes (I may come back later to change these): What functions you are confident in and comes easily = saviors. What you "realize" or discover later in life or feel a little awkward, fake, or braggy about (when trying to use it) is likely a demon functions. Masculine functions = punchy, bossy, lots of barking at first before relaxing. Feminine functions = Relaxed at first, until it eventually gets to a point and claws at you (a bit bitchy). _____________________ I **may** have (still very unsure): *F-Fe*. At first, I will accept what the tribe/other people value, but if someone starts to devalue something which deserves some recognition/praise (eg. inferring someone else's hobby/passion is not valuable) I will kick into gear. Usually I subtly counteract them, and if I think I need to argue I will - and my Ti will bury them hahaha. *M-Si*. Great at picking up the timeline of life. I'm still unsure though, because I think the interpretation of past events is highly subjective and I recognize others' unique internal experience. Maybe that's F-Ne? *F-Ne*. Plans are changeable to me. But they are to my boyfriend too, so hmm... Have to think about that one. I am very a poet and visual artist which seems a little M-Ne but my indecisiveness on future possibilities makes me think F-Ne. My dad is definitely M-N and works collaboratively with me in this regard, which is really great! *M-Ti*. At first, I will be pushy with my logic, but it surprises me when it's easily accepted because it's my demon (lol!) I am VERY pushy when someone interrupts my rare expressions of Si-Ti knowledge. I have said, "I was talking." (when interrupted whilst talking about the anatomical science behind going into labour) to my INFJ sister once and it led to a standoff. I wouldn't back down! And I was very content using my F-Fe to convince her M-Fe and F-Ti about my perspective (why it was relevant to talk about anatomy in the context). _______________ My boyfriend **may** have (very unsure): M-Ni. Best way to go from A->B. Finds ideal solution, then plans. This is up for debate, but I chose M-Ni just for now because he is such an avid planner and keeps lots of notes for the future, his book writing, etc. hmmm. F-Te. Very receptive to logic if it sounds reasonable. M-Fi. Is certain of what he dislikes/likes, and slowly becomes receptive to new things. Fussy eater, etc. F-Se. Reality can be moveable. Facts change, fluid sensory. He respects science a lot less than I do, but still did a BSc and likes learning about the brain. What did/didn't happen is up for interpretation to him, which is very endearing to me. Spelling does not come easy to him, whereas for me it does.
I am INTJ blast first and sleep second, but with a male Ni and female Te. I just have to say, that it is really hard to have a female Te because you have a masculine Fi, which means that even if you are trying to do anything that makes sense to you, you only do it because you have a very deep, strong, moral code to do what is right. It is so rigid, that you are in a constant battle of what to do next. Is it right? Should I abandon it? Is it a moral obligation? Or am I confusing it as a social obligation? You are constantly undecided. Being a double decider is really hard.
But sometimes it just makes sence to override Fi with Te.. How do you function? This is confusing me. Mhmm, let me try this: Consider what is the most important element to a decision that relates to the vision, say it makes sence to do a thing a certain way because it is likely the only optimal way, but for some reason to get the step (shortterm goal) done towards achieving the vision - you would need to override the current moral code or anything you can imagine that relates to Fi, doesn't it make sence to override Fi to get to what is the most important to Ni and potentially Fi? (within reason)
I think that's because you have masculine Fi as a demon. If you have masculine Fi as a savior, you tend to be more convinced by your own values and less affected by the tribe's opinions. At least until you have to put your values into action, which is when the demon feminine Te kicks in. And that's the real struggle, because you feel like people are constantly shoving you around despite what you really want to do.
I relate to that feminine Te and masculine Fi. I think it also explains why, even though I use Te in larger quantity because it's better than Fi at executing Ni's vision, at the end of the day there's so many things that I let slide and don't bother to be efficient or practical about because Fi just doesn't CARE, and Fi gets the final word in that. Aggressively too lol. I refuse to put energy into something I don't care about even to make it more efficient.
I know this video is about 2 years old, but it's really helpful and interesting. Finding my type as an INTJ-T with 5w4 confused me. Also having predominantly feminine functions seemed to clash with the typical image of an INTJ. LiJo's videos are great for understanding this personality type past the surface level. Definitely a little underrated IMO.
This is a great way to explain the modalities! The “dog energy” and “cat energy” makes a lot of sense to me. I know I can sometimes be a bully with my Ti - very assertive with it. I’ve had to curb that behavior. My Fe is much more delicate.
ENFJ here, I'm a golden retriever. Edit: "OOH! People?! Where?! I love people!!" Incredibly loyal if you can keep up with my neediness... Which honestly isn't that bad? I just wanna be treated well. My Fe is definately masculine. I'm... A little bossy... At least when it comes to people taking care of themselves. "If you DON'T get enough sleep, I will scold you for a very long time. Killing you would defeat my purpose."
INTJ here, I’ve been trying to pinpoint what my masculine and feminine functions are and this really helped me confirm them! I’m MSe and MFi, which is the opposite of yours! It’s so interesting how same types can show up so differently
I'm intp. M Ti, F Ne, M Si, F Fe. M Ti: There is only one truth. Not "your truth". "Your truth" = Your perspective. F Ne: I make plans and don't do them because I come up with new plans. I'm always open to ideas and possibilities. M Si: There is a place for everything, an order to everything (even if it may not look like it to the outsider), and yes I remember when things happened. F Fe: You can have whatever values you want, I don't care, just don't push them on me.
Great explanation again! I thought about mbti and came to a question that you might be able to answer. As I understand it the purpose of MBTI is to describe the aspects of different personalities. Therefore it distinguishes between the for dimensions E vs I , S vs. N , T vs. F and P vs. J. By finding out the preferences for each dimension mbti gives you 16 different types. So far so good. But by doing this mbti totally ignores the fact that people may have at least one dimension that doesn't show any significant preference at all. For example someone is 90% I, 90%N, 90%T and 60% J. Mbti says: INTJ ( with Ni, Te, Fi, Se), but that means ignoring about 40% of the personality which is INTP (with Ti, Ne, Si, Fe) It gets even worse when someone doesn't show a preference in T vs. F because then the functions get switched around. E.g. INTP ( Ti, Ne, Si, Fe) vs INFP (Fi, Ne, Si, Te). So after this long introduction finally comes the question: I can't Imagine that I'm the first to notice this so what does the theory say about it? Why not extanding the letter Code with a "X" which stands for "No preference" ( e.g. INTX If p vs J is to "balanced")? I mean people with strong preferences in each dimension will have no problem with mbti but I guess that lots of people out there have at least one dimension which is very balanced so that none of the 16 types fit. What do you think about it?
See this is why I don't follow MBTI or use it as scientific haha! This is why I use the research and knowledge from Objective Personality for typing. The 4 letter acronym doesn't really MEAN anything. Every type (represented by the 4 letters) has 4 cognitive functions. Those functions are everything related to the cognition of that person and they have an order. That order determine the type. Thats all that matters :)
@@InternetLiJo I understand what you are saying, but I have a feeling that the cog. functions approach has a similiar problem. With 8 functions you could form more than 16 types. Why does a Type always have 2 introverted and two extroverted functions? Also this approach assumes that you prefer either thinking or feeling. It's very nice to have you and the other (good) Channels explaning the types and the functions and what the theory is useful for in the world or for your self understanding/growth, but my Ti can't accept the hole thing as long nobody tells me what the proven fundamental for this hole theory is. Because when I think about it for myself it seems to "Made up" or to random to be true.
Great question. I say of course because imagine an masculine Se dom forcefully expressing an experience on a masculine Si dom who wants a different experience, that could be challenging. Yet if the Si dom was feminine they would be more flexible on possibly changing the experience they want to have from the mas Se dom, better.
Yes. And the crazy part is, you don't even have to try. If you feel natural chemistry with someone, or find them attractive. MOST LIKELY, they are the opposite sexual modalities. It is proving itself time and time again with couples and attraction. It just works.
7:14 _"Ah my demon feminine sensory, what a piece of work."_ Yeah me too. At least you've got play 2nd. I do think I'd see a cup on a ledge though... I'm very controlling.
Interesting video, although this OP system sounds complicated. How does masculine Ni INTJ differ from a feminine Ni INTJ? I thought Ni, was all about narrowing down stuff to one path? Does knowing if Ni is maculine or feminine, make any material difference in the real world?
It's not too complicated! So you have two sexuals attached to each axis of functions, so there are two assigned to every type. So I am FM which means my sensory (though it's a demon) is feminine. It means I am less pushy with sensory, "real life" facts and things. So that is where you will see it in the real world. My thinking function (extroverted decider) is masculine so that means I am very push with the "reasons". Those are the two functions that you can easily see with the sexuals with, which is why OP tracks them that way. The first sexual in a type ALWAYS refers to sensory and the second always refers to the extroverted decider (either Te or Fe) no matter where they are in your stack. It may sound like a lot in the beginning but it's really fun to study and really helps you find relatively important differences in type and why people of the same type can portray differently.
@@InternetLiJo my husband was talking about where females fall on the INTJ spectrum & how masculine they come off as being. This helped in understanding. I like to have a plan but I also like to be flexible & not too fixed. My husband is an INTJ & he is 'this is the plan & that's the way it is'. until no one shows up for the plan...
I like your clarification of a coin as an axis! Sometimes I'm overwhelmed with new jargon that can simply be expressed in terms from preexisting models. But, new jargon is trendy, and the coin concept does work for the math/science agnostics.
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This was very insightful to watch. I knew right away that I am Demon F-Se and Saviour M-Ni cause I can see how they play out daily in my life. The hard part was figuring out if I'm M-Fe or M-Ti, cause I'm not assertive with either. But I'm leaning more towards M-Fe cause I'm very hard on myself when it comes to social norms and preserving the group's harmony, generally
As someone with masculine demon sensory, the idea of feminine sensory scares the living daylights out of me 😂😅 I swear my heart started racing as I heard you explain it haha! I would love to see you explain more about your feminine demon sensory because I honestly can't imagine what that would be like. I have feminine Ni and Te, and I think one of the primary ways I rely on to ground myself in the real world is to go back in time and latch back on to my memories of the external world as it was at the time. There would be times where I would drift in a conversation (courtesy of my Ni) and upon being asked a question I would immediately replay what I just heard literally and process it in order to give a very delayed response lol.
Hey! What I'm confused about is: the sexual energy letters describe what? Like, I know the concepts, but which functions are they referring to?? For example: MM Ni/Ti would be Masculine Ni and Masculine Ti, or Masculine De and Masculine Oe? And which order?
Masculine Fi confirmed for sure. Especially from the way you described it. as far as Se and Ni go for me, I am leaning more towards masculine Se for myself. Well...looks like we are in the same boat. ISFP here. Both my saviors are masculine.
@@TheNicMMc I have always been big on video games. This virus is keeping me from going to the gym. I miss lifting heavy...I have to rely on stupid in home workouts without weight. So boring...
@@masteraxe1453 Sorry to hear about that. Double Masculine SF people tend have a lot of energy and are to drawn to exercise routines, sports or something that can be use as some kind of outlet so I get how stir crazy you must be feeling.
I find the memory part particularly interesting. I like to describe Masculine Intuition’s memory as “categorically focused” (meanwhile I call Masculine Sensory’s memory “detailed-focused”). I can remember how the different models in Jungian Typology work fairly easily because I can intuitively compare, contrast, categorize and organize them in ways that it just works. But I can’t do that with sensory. There’s no meaningful “hook” for me to catch, it just feels like random information being carelessly thrown at me. I have actually tried to solve my problem with remembering dates by creating my own calendar that includes the zodiac signs, and I have even color coded each sign, because I need something to help me intuitively categorize the dates. Edit: For reference, I’m a self-typed INFP, so I have masculine Ne, not Ni.
I'm more confused about myself now then before I watched this video. Great explanations nonetheless. Are there any tests that you would suggest for this?
LiJo, so how do I find out which of my oberserver is masculine, being an INTP? My Ne is a saviour so it is strong and always wants to consume. I am badass flexible and adaptable. I see patterns and possible outcomes, yet I know this might or might not be happening, evaluating with my M Ti. My Memory is kinda shaky as my awareness of reality, so I never argue about it. I feel like both observers are F... :( How to find the M?
I'm very similar to you. Do you ever get picky or over-thorough with sensory things, like cleaning, note-taking, etc? I do, and I'm also INTP with masculine Ti (almost sure), so I'm guessing that picky/thorough sensory behaviour is masculine Si. I sometimes will awkwardly pick up other people's litter in a park if they left it. Don't get me wrong - my house is a total mess with kids, but when I do clean, it's thorough and therefore time-consuming. Very annoying. Same with any projects I do. When I was in university in a design program, I was pulling all-nighters and finishing last minute for almost every project, because it could always be improved and refined.
Also, check out the video by Objective Personality titled "Visual Memory: Masculine N". They say that people tend to store their memories in their masculine observers, whether it's a saviour or demon doesn't matter. If you have masculine N you tend to have a visual memory and more categorized rather than detailed (like Jordan Peterson's memory castle example), and if you have masculine S you tend to remember the finer details. So that might help you decipher your observers as M or F as well.
Would some anecdotes for masculine sensory include: - fast, maneuvering driving - aggressive in sports, sudden movements - have been told that I am “stiff” and should be more flexible physically. - pretty good with vocabulary, memorization, and cataloging. Respecting dates and understanding the weight or size of things. - as a child, a big time rough-houser. I accidentally broke someone’s collar bone during rough and tumble play. I felt horrible. Just generally being like “Drax” from guardians of the galaxy in a sense with my physical mannerisms. Taking things too literally. Would you consider these strong indications of masculine sensory.
Why are right-brain functions generally regarded as "feminine?" As for the whole "cat versus dog" energy thing, what about rabbits? I'm an INTJ and I've always thought of myself as being rabbit-like in terms of Jungian animal totems - the defining trait being a certain sort of fastidiousness.
This is the best video I have seen on this topic. I am so interested in what they're doing over at OP but I really struggle to understand the over arching ideas because they talk over each other and assume you already understand a lot. I have been trying to piece together little bits but this is much more concise. I'm still on a long learning journey but I feel like you have helped me take a good few steps along so thank you.
@@InternetLiJo just been deleting emails as they're full and came across your response. Yeah would love to hear more OPS stuff on your channel. I've been typed by OPS now, loving it. Now it all makes sense finally! Growth is starting. MF Ni/Ti SBP(c). Keep up your great work lady!
Oh my god, now it makes perfect sense. Si is my demon function but I feel like I'm actually good at using it because whenever I do, I find myself remembering things very well or be very thorough with organizing things, although it might take a lot of effort for me to. Turns out hat it's just because I have masculine Si. I'm pretty sure my Ti is masculine, too. People often get offended and feel attacked whenever I'm on my Ti-savior mode. >
So it seems as if what you're saying is that the Feminine functions can/do function in a sort of passive-aggressive fashion. Am I understanding you correctly?
LIjo, I have been called a deletant. Also, I do subvert systems to my purpose (to do things they weren't designed to do). The more I read up, the more I truly feel seen. I can't thank you enough. : )
Would you make an in depth video on how you percieve your Ni? If you do consider it, please include your perspective on the concious/subconcious daily funtionality and perception of the distinctions, or whatever you would consider more relevant to expressing it. How would Ni likely differ from individual to individual within a certain type depending on different order of "animals"?
I recently got into OP and I'm trying to type myself. So far, I'm pretty sure I'm Te/Ni, and now I'm looking into the Sexual Modalities. One pattern I've noticed is that I tend to get into situations where I have a very strong gut feeling that I'm right about something, and I'll try to defend that idea with logic, but I'll be easily swayed by the other person's reasons. Then I get frustrated because my _gut_ is telling me that I'm onto something, but I'm not "allowed" to trust it. One thing that really helped me to grow was giving myself permission to pursue those gut feelings and see where they lead me even if I can't back them up with logic yet, and more often than not, I really am onto something. Does that sound like feminine Te/masculine Fi?
She was analysed through Objective Personality. BPSC are the order of activation of her Animals. Animals are actions derived from two cognitive functions working together. B = Blast = Oi + De (in her case, Ni + Te) = Getting started with a known information, controlling people with one idea/information in mind P = Play = Oe + De (in her case Se + Te) = Back and forth interactions with the randomness of chaos/unexpected information and people around you, doing, taking action, performing, etc. S = Sleep = Oi + Di = (in her case Ni + Fi) = Internally revisiting and (re)organizing information you're familiar with to yourself, processing known information C = Consume = Oe + Di (in her case Se + Fi) = Letting in new information to expand personal worldview, considering, extracting and respecting new information and new perspectives.
@@luijsderoth8835 Thank you!!! Very clarifying answer! Do you know if it is possible for anyone to be analysed through Objective Personality? And how does it work?
Thanks, this is exactly what I searching for, I wanted to know the difference between MF and MM in INTJ functions. I finally found my personality type : It was a long journey ~1 year. MM-INTJ-Ni/Fi-SCBP Ni > Te > Fi > Ti Ne > Se > Si > Fe _2017 my first MBTI result was INTJ _Classic MBTI misstyped me as INFJ in 2021 during my depression/anxiety _2022 OP, cognitives functions, and many others types indicators : INTJ. Introspection and deep analysis of functions and everything in my life : INTJ "The most laziest, non laziest person" as you said ^^ The most sociable, non sociable person. The most kind, non kind person. The most approachable non approachable person. The less feminine person of the females XD
Thanks! Based on this I think Im a FM INTP. Feminine Ti, im open to ideas and flexible, but demon masculine Fe I'm stubborn on my values. Definitely have feminine Si. I'm oblivious to my surroundings and I don't push on facts and I'm pretty time agnostic. You glossed over the N, but if my Si is obviously feminine then my Ne must be masculine. OK you did gloss over it, I was just starting my comment. 'this is what could be, and this is the way to get there' is definitely me. Actually for me it tends to be 'this is what's coming - and here's the best way to avoid it'
Thanks for your take on the topic, your analogies make it so much easier to understand. Such an Ni thing to do though 😂, but nonetheless, it's incredible how well developed it is
Thanks for this greatly informative video! Made me understand the difference between masculine and feminine function a lot better. You're really good at explaining mbti stuff, gives me a lot more clearer idea about all that. So thanks a lot! What do you think about masculine Ne and feminine Ne?
Wait, can you explain again why you're typed as FM? Do they not indicate your 2 savior functions but your sensing function and extroverted decider by default even if they're your demon functions? Why is that?
Thanks for this video. I was wondering if my functions ( I am an ISTP) were masculine or feminine. I was pretty sure that my demon Fe was feminine. Now I am sure. Your descriptions made it clear. I am masculine Ti, feminine Fe, masculine Se, and feminine Ni
YAY! Thank you thank you for this video! Love OP but I haven’t been able to find a clear laid out description of masculine vs feminine in relation to type. Really helpful with all the detailed examples! 🙌🏼 I think I might be MM Ni/Fi SCBP- what does this mean of how I come across having feminine functions at the top? 👀 don’t know that I would necessarily label my general demeanor as “feminine” haha
Haha it means you would be pushy your ST but in a demon state. So probably when you are pushing "clarity in reality" to the tribe it's a bit weird and over the top lol. Having Ni and Fi being Feminine would be you're really "go with the flow" in a savior state.
I wish you were my teacher in school, you are amazing!. You explained the cat vibe of feminine functions very well. When I received my type, I thought the FF code is too basic for my 2 strong functions because their evident in me but when I heard you explaining the bitchy, clawing “cat vibe” which is more powerful than the loud, bossy “dog vibe” after all, my thought was “yeah that sounds about right!”
I think I tend to consider a saviour function as masculine because it has a strong expression and vice versa. The easiest ones to recongnise are masculine Ti and Te. And the hardest are definitely Ni and Ne. Man this is difficult!
This is so interesting. I think I have Savior Fem Ni, Fem Fe, Masculine Ti, and Demon Masculine Se, but I'm not really sure with Ni and Ti ones. I think I would do research to be sure haha. Thanks for the explanation! You're so attractive, I wish I could have Masculine Te like you.
Hmm this is very interesting, it would explain some things. It gives an idea of sort of subtypes of INTJs. From the sound of it, I think I might be Ni and Te feminine, and Fi and Se masculine. Would explain why I'm a relatively easy going INTJ but on those occasions when my sensory seeking "I want to feel good" side comes out it's more aggressive, like "y'all are being lame guys let's have FUN" lol. And I'm less aggressive with my Te logic but when my Fi values are stepped on I do become the yappy angry dog lol. Do you think the masculine functions are more obvious to other people?
so as an intp ti if m fe is f or vis vrs? and as for ne si it ti m ne can still be m or f... but then si is the opposing/. ok so how do i figure out whats what is my ti m or f mbti is so much simpler... but i want to grasp this ... or how am i intp 1w2 kind contradicts imo
I guess my both dominant functions are feminine, probably that is why i always kinda frustrated about typing myself. Even though the description fitted me i was like yes but no? It depends on the context. It is literally my answer for everything in my life. Thank you for the video by the way, i was confused about my function slot lately cause i am nowhere near the blast personality (sad savior Ni Te) but not a jumper also.
Wow the demon vs savior one really got me. I probably have a demon fe and I try to understand how people think and form theories abou it. I'd occasionally talk to my brother about what I'm realizing about people and he'd be like "yeah cool but why did you just realize this"
I got recently typed as ISTP CP/B(S) FF by dave and Shannon (I thought I was ENTP Ne-Ti CP/B(S)) Am I wrong in the theory that Masculine functions tends to be the functions we like to teach others or are less receptive to being taught by others where as feminine functions are more liking to learn from others and more receptive to being taught things? Im always teaching the logic behind things and why something does or doesnt make logical sense. (Ive also come to the conclusion that not every decision or thing has to be logical and that the universe doesnt operate on logic alone) I have masculine Ti and Masculine Ni And Feminine Se and Feminine Fe I find that I tend to have a much better grasp on my Ti and Ni despite Ni technically being a demon Fe is what Ive had to learn from other people but is this just because its my last function or because its feminine? Im curious if someone with their last function being masculine would think of their function Also I was typed with savior Se but it doesnt really feel like im good at it. Im not into sports or physical sensory things and tend to be more NT nerdy. Im assuming Feminine Se might be more fact gathering while Masculine Se would be more Kinesthetic experience gathering
Hey! Congrats on getting your official type! So Blast is more responsible for teaching, and you have it in the third or “hobby” position! You probably are able to get a fair bit of stuff done and also talk about it well. The masculine functions are the ones we shove with - I have a video on the modalities that may be worth checking out. Would be a lot to type 🤣
@@InternetLiJo ok ill look into it thank you LiJo! I think that hobby function as the third animal is interesting! I definitely dont think im bad at blast just more on the average side. One thing I found interesting with NT sleep last is that I tend to be very aware of the best ways to systemize things and make them more efficient but the problem is I often Research and think about the strategies but then have not motivation to implement the automations.
It's hard to say what my first animal is or what my savior/demon is but I guess maybe ever once in a while I would make decisions on someone's behalf on what we should do and it has this tendency of effecting them and I often do so without informing them \until I am in the midst of doing it. I do it because I believe they take way too long to deciding on the course of action. I like to think I’m good at this because I haven’t really gotten in trouble for doing this and a lot of times when I make a decision for myself the tribe would end following suit. I don't know if what I'm saying is just simple pea cocking. I am not sure if I can also go by this but I do often worry about ST related things like "How much do you need this to be?" or "What should we have for dinner?" but the people around tell me often tell me that it is not my concern or that I'm overreacting. I don't really pay attention to NF things but I get blame for it, like "Well you should have know that I didn't mean like that. Obviously, I was just trying to be nice" or "Read the room, idiot." So which would you label as masculine or feminine?
It's really hard for me to tell without hearing you talk for awhile so I can pick up your unconscious patterns, especially regarding the sexual modalities.
They are subjective, because you are taking them yourself. So they may or may not be accurate depending on your level of personal objectivity. A lot of people type themselves straight backwards lol. Objective Personality does typing using the double blind method so you're getting an unbiased result. You do have to be in their class though to be typed by them.
Excellent video. I love the OPS videos. This helped clear a few things up for me. I’m still trying to figure out if I’m FM or MF or something else. I have Feminine Ne, Masculine Fi, Feminine Te and Masculine Si. I’m an ENFP, Ne/Fi
If feminine sensory is more flexible with reality or "what did or didn't happen", in theory, could it be more vulnerable to someone gaslighting that individual's reality than masculine sensory (which by this theory, would instead "push the facts of what did or didn't happen")? Or does that not apply to this theory, and feminine sensing is able to be sure of one's reality as confidently as masculine sensing would be?
I mean I feel like both masculine and feminine sensing would be experiencing the reality that they experienced/remember. Whether you own that reality and believe yourself over the person gaslighting you likely doesn't have to do with feminine or masculine
unless perhaps we take into account that feminine sensing gets to that point where it cant take flexibility anymore and "claws at you" motivated by its own values as a cat would haha
Very interesting, I didn't know there were masculine/feminine functions. I think most of mine are masculine, except Te, as I'm relatively open to new info changing my mind. My si-demon is defo masculine, I have a great event memory but when it comes to everything else it's like the watch you mention
nice! So sensory and intuition are a coin and so are thinking and feeling. So if your thinking let's say is feminine, that means your feeling has to be masculine. Same thing with N and S :)
@@InternetLiJo it makes sense, I was a bit dubious about my Se, but it could perfectly be feminine too! I'd honestly never thought about this concept, I have to find out more! :D
Oh lol it just confirmed what I’d already suspected of myself. My hubs was laughing at the examples you gave for the functions that lined up with mine. Esp the F Se demon and M Ni savior :/
This is an interesting concept, however I don't think I fully understand it, I have a few questions: First, can the same function be either masculine or feminine depending on how it's applied, or are there feminine function and masculine functions? For example, could Ni be either masculine or feminine, depending on the person? Or is Ni necessarily masculine, while Ne is feminine? Second, why are some traits considered masculine while others are considered feminine? Why is being more "pushy" and dog-like considered masculine, while being more "go with the flow" (at least at first) and cat-like considered feminine? Who determined that? Any response would be appreciated 🙏
I definitely have a feminine extroverted decider(fe), which would make me an XF modality. Therefore, could make me audio/kinesthetic (MF) or tester/visual (FF) how could I then differentiate the difference because it is hard to see the modality on the function itself in isolation. How do you see your own modality being an audio kinesthetic?
My brother is masculine se on the top so it’s strong and prevalent in his personality; pushing the it’s a FACTs (solid there) and it tends to make me upset like I don’t understand what he is doing pushing the facts. I’m beginning to think that it is because I don’t see the facts as important/matter possibly flexible because I argue back saying sure BUT you are missing the understanding! Because facts are only something there to contribute to a larger understanding and that is what matters. Is this an accurate conception? Please let me know if my ti is correct with your te (:
I should also get typed but I hear it takes ages. First be in the classes, Gosh. And then May or may not even be typed. I just wish I could officially be typed so that I also get some fine grasp on these things. otherwise, the amount of second guessing and re-evaluations and re-reading and researching that i do is close to infinity. I think each of the 16 types have ever been my type in my self typing journey. the time wastage just kills me but the curiosity and triggering thoughts can't stop bugging me. At times I wish I never landed on these personality. I even think even after my official typing, I will still second guess that. May be I will pose as another person and re describe myself again. after like three time of doing that. If its the same typing, then I may rest in peace. But still the fact that there still exists other typing system will again keep bugging me until I also figure everything out. like relationship between socionics, attitudinal psyche, big five, global five, the temperaments, but whyyyyyy
I could clearly see that I have masculine sensory, and feminine intuition. However, the deciders are not so clear. I have concluded that I am feminine Ti and masculine Fe.
Is this conversation how Te looks like? I'm an ENTP so I have Ti parent.... and all I've heard of your talking was "if someone has this more strong than this, then..." Rsrs. I'm trying to find the objective source of the knowledge like, "if Te parent then this, it Fi child then that". You have any other video more logical about this subject?. I am not criticizing, it's just because I couldn't understand very well this way you explained (:
My question is how to type M or F of a function by just looking at all the 8 function of a person (Ego + Shadow) or are M and F pure observable traits (not into our DNA)?
Excellent. Love you though I think you look better in purple, not red hahaha (edit): oh, it's been quite a while since you changed the theme and I only realized now lol
Hey thanks, it’s very clear but I’ll try to spot if my Te or Fi is masculine. I got that I’m surely Ni dom masculine and Se inferior feminine but I’m like “go with the only reason. This method is useless” but also “I don’t understand you. I don’t catch what you believe and you’re wrong”, so it seems they are both masculine but I’ll figure it out. Edit: I think that at end I’m more feminine Fi and masculine Te because I saw OP’s video with Dave and Shan and I really find myself in Shan like masculine N, masculine T, feminine F and feminine S but with masculine Fs I try to imitate the masculine Fi (very badly) lmao. Anyway I think tertiary function as feminine is quite difficult to spot (till you see real people with that function as feminine) because you don’t use it very much and so it can seem masculine, but maybe it’s just my theory/my chase
I’m curious how your M Ni looks while remembering things. Dave and Shan talk about masculine N as a solid framework for memory where facts kind of fit into them. Where masculine S is remembering the facts and then our N can rebuild itself from there. Does that fit with you?
That is so interesting 🤔. So many nuances to this. I wonder if you have plan A1 and a kabillion contingency plans, does that make you masculine or feminine. Great presentation and insights. Thanks.💙
Is it just me or does it look like I accidentally put a fish eye effect on this video?!?!
Yes! Something does look a little different lol
It seems you have just stretched a 16:10 aspect ratio video to a 16:9 aspect ratio Lindsay. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A tiny bit but if you didn't tell I wouldn't have noticed
Your question makes me wonder if this is really was an accident. :D Could it be some sort of a community experiment?
Did notice something was off, didn't really care to pay much attention to it.
Jupp! =)
I'm interested in the difference between the feminine Ni in the savior state vs the feminine Ni in the demon state, and with all the other functions, too.
me too
Hey, in your next video could you please explain the visual, tester, audio and kinesthetic stuff attached to MM FM FF and MF
I second this!
I have never even heard of this! How curious. Where did you encounter this? OP? I’ve known for a while now that I’m very poor with auditory processing. I wonder if this may help explain that.
I would also like to see this 👍
I think that for me it goes like this, feminine Ne and masculine Ti. Your Ni is really impressive, it is incredible how easily you managed to make the topic simple. I wish I could do that but I would not trade my Ne because it keeps me entertained, even tho it makes my thoughts chaotic. It is both a gift and a curse.
Didja try poo-pin?
Interesting. I'm half similar to you. Feminine Ne and Ti, Masculine Fe and Si. It would be fun to do a Collab vid where we talk about the differences!
In case you need a third lad : Fe(F) Si(F) Ne(M) Ti(M)
Hey same, I’m FM ENTP. What’s your animal order?
This thing needs SO MANY EXAMPLES to be pretty well understood! I mean, real examples, real observations. Let's dream and say that if we have 30 examples of every function of the eight in every modality of the two then it will be great! I've been thinking of it since D&S talked about it on UA-cam. It looks really amazing!
Thank you!
OPS is amaaaazing. It’s like the holy grail, garden of eden of MBTI. I just discovered it about a week and a half ago and have become obsessed.
What I learnt from this video, there is an apple product that is actually good and durable, makes sense they had to make a good product eventually.
I discovered Si when I got run over by a truck.
Of course, I discovered it in much the same way that Columbus discovered America, and the experience was similarly catastrophic.
You poor sod.
@@billbutton7669 lmao so randomly assholeish
I think masculin and feminin relationships to values go a bit like
-masculin : ready to fight and potentialy die to promote/protect his values
-feminin : ready to adopt new values if needed, in order to fit in the group and not fight/die
really linked to evolutionary psychology IMO, could be cool to have your view on that and how it relates to MBTI Lindsey :)
That sounds accurate as it relates to the Feeling function!
I like this, but I would like to add the tribe/self dichotomy as well. =)
- M Fi: fights/protects their own values
- M Fe: fights/protects the values of their tribe
- F Fi: ready to adopt new values for themselves (identity)
- F Fe: adopts new values to fit in with new tribes
@@ryankroon8526 I remember my ESTP "friend" in Middle school seemed to display feminine Fe. He had stopped hanging out with me and I called him to say that my cat had died, I suppose to look for sympathy. He said "So?"(this may be masculine Se). I said "You're my friend. Aren't you supposed to make me feel better"? He said "I have new friends now, you should get new friends too". See, wishy washy feeling bs to get in with a new tribe of nitwits that he went on to abandon a few years later.
But if the only reason you adopt new values is to fit in with the group, that sounds like straight up Fe. Fi wouldn't change it's values just to be a part of the group even if it's feminine. But it might be more soft/flexible on what their own values ought to be- sort of a longer journey of "who am I really." Hard to say though, I think I have masculine Fi so I don't have that perspective, it would be interesting to hear from someone with feminine Fi.
Hmmm.
The intuition explanation was slightly confusing to me, since Ne generally sees many possibilities naturally, but I believe that I do have savior masculine Ne. I guess it would be good to get more clarification between masculine/feminine Ni and Ne.
same struggle here
Same
I was wondering about this
I get your struggles, The way I understand my D Feminine Ni is more like I (think) I'm seeing the best possible path forward but I'm never running on the path with full speed, instead I walk slowly and may or may not find 1 or 2 directions on the path that could be modified if necessary If I have too but Masculine Ni for someone else is just go go go on the path originally decided. So imagine using a GPS as Feminine Ni and choosing to turn a block earlier rather than what the GPS suggested to now have the GPS reroute a single new path to my destination. It may have only changed it by 1 turn or 2 but thats all. I think Masculine Ni is decisive and fast paced. Masculine Ne is the same but they will say or believe there are 5 guaranteed options we could take so choose one quickly and if you won't than I will choose one for you 😠. Whereas Feminine Ne will be more patient and flexible with the 5 paths or maybe 6 paths or 7 🤔😁.
@@RRRsimracing what a beautiful explanation
I had a sense of what mine would be and this confirms I was right. INTJ-Feminine Ni Feminine Fi/Masculine Te Masculine Se. I remember dates and timelines very well.
Notes (I may come back later to change these):
What functions you are confident in and comes easily = saviors.
What you "realize" or discover later in life or feel a little awkward, fake, or braggy about (when trying to use it) is likely a demon functions.
Masculine functions = punchy, bossy, lots of barking at first before relaxing.
Feminine functions = Relaxed at first, until it eventually gets to a point and claws at you (a bit bitchy).
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I **may** have (still very unsure):
*F-Fe*. At first, I will accept what the tribe/other people value, but if someone starts to devalue something which deserves some recognition/praise (eg. inferring someone else's hobby/passion is not valuable) I will kick into gear. Usually I subtly counteract them, and if I think I need to argue I will - and my Ti will bury them hahaha.
*M-Si*. Great at picking up the timeline of life. I'm still unsure though, because I think the interpretation of past events is highly subjective and I recognize others' unique internal experience. Maybe that's F-Ne?
*F-Ne*. Plans are changeable to me. But they are to my boyfriend too, so hmm... Have to think about that one. I am very a poet and visual artist which seems a little M-Ne but my indecisiveness on future possibilities makes me think F-Ne. My dad is definitely M-N and works collaboratively with me in this regard, which is really great!
*M-Ti*. At first, I will be pushy with my logic, but it surprises me when it's easily accepted because it's my demon (lol!)
I am VERY pushy when someone interrupts my rare expressions of Si-Ti knowledge. I have said, "I was talking." (when interrupted whilst talking about the anatomical science behind going into labour) to my INFJ sister once and it led to a standoff. I wouldn't back down! And I was very content using my F-Fe to convince her M-Fe and F-Ti about my perspective (why it was relevant to talk about anatomy in the context).
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My boyfriend **may** have (very unsure):
M-Ni. Best way to go from A->B. Finds ideal solution, then plans. This is up for debate, but I chose M-Ni just for now because he is such an avid planner and keeps lots of notes for the future, his book writing, etc. hmmm.
F-Te. Very receptive to logic if it sounds reasonable.
M-Fi. Is certain of what he dislikes/likes, and slowly becomes receptive to new things. Fussy eater, etc.
F-Se. Reality can be moveable. Facts change, fluid sensory. He respects science a lot less than I do, but still did a BSc and likes learning about the brain. What did/didn't happen is up for interpretation to him, which is very endearing to me. Spelling does not come easy to him, whereas for me it does.
I am INTJ blast first and sleep second, but with a male Ni and female Te.
I just have to say, that it is really hard to have a female Te because you have a masculine Fi, which means that even if you are trying to do anything that makes sense to you, you only do it because you have a very deep, strong, moral code to do what is right. It is so rigid, that you are in a constant battle of what to do next. Is it right? Should I abandon it? Is it a moral obligation? Or am I confusing it as a social obligation?
You are constantly undecided. Being a double decider is really hard.
But sometimes it just makes sence to override Fi with Te.. How do you function? This is confusing me.
Mhmm, let me try this: Consider what is the most important element to a decision that relates to the vision, say it makes sence to do a thing a certain way because it is likely the only optimal way, but for some reason to get the step (shortterm goal) done towards achieving the vision - you would need to override the current moral code or anything you can imagine that relates to Fi, doesn't it make sence to override Fi to get to what is the most important to Ni and potentially Fi? (within reason)
I think that's because you have masculine Fi as a demon. If you have masculine Fi as a savior, you tend to be more convinced by your own values and less affected by the tribe's opinions. At least until you have to put your values into action, which is when the demon feminine Te kicks in. And that's the real struggle, because you feel like people are constantly shoving you around despite what you really want to do.
I relate to that feminine Te and masculine Fi. I think it also explains why, even though I use Te in larger quantity because it's better than Fi at executing Ni's vision, at the end of the day there's so many things that I let slide and don't bother to be efficient or practical about because Fi just doesn't CARE, and Fi gets the final word in that. Aggressively too lol. I refuse to put energy into something I don't care about even to make it more efficient.
Masculine Fi makes me squeal. Its probably difficult to use but DANG it's admirable.
I know this video is about 2 years old, but it's really helpful and interesting. Finding my type as an INTJ-T with 5w4 confused me. Also having predominantly feminine functions seemed to clash with the typical image of an INTJ. LiJo's videos are great for understanding this personality type past the surface level. Definitely a little underrated IMO.
This is a great way to explain the modalities! The “dog energy” and “cat energy” makes a lot of sense to me. I know I can sometimes be a bully with my Ti - very assertive with it. I’ve had to curb that behavior. My Fe is much more delicate.
ENFJ here, I'm a golden retriever.
Edit: "OOH! People?! Where?! I love people!!"
Incredibly loyal if you can keep up with my neediness... Which honestly isn't that bad? I just wanna be treated well.
My Fe is definately masculine. I'm... A little bossy... At least when it comes to people taking care of themselves. "If you DON'T get enough sleep, I will scold you for a very long time. Killing you would defeat my purpose."
@@flutenanyidk1806 haha! Loved this.
I've been trying to understand this for a while now and as always, you are right on time 😃. Thank you Lindsay 💕
Yay I'm glad!!!
INTJ here, I’ve been trying to pinpoint what my masculine and feminine functions are and this really helped me confirm them! I’m MSe and MFi, which is the opposite of yours! It’s so interesting how same types can show up so differently
Awesome!!
I'm intp. M Ti, F Ne, M Si, F Fe.
M Ti: There is only one truth. Not "your truth". "Your truth" = Your perspective.
F Ne: I make plans and don't do them because I come up with new plans. I'm always open to ideas and possibilities.
M Si: There is a place for everything, an order to everything (even if it may not look like it to the outsider), and yes I remember when things happened.
F Fe: You can have whatever values you want, I don't care, just don't push them on me.
Great explanation again!
I thought about mbti and came to a question that you might be able to answer. As I understand it the purpose of MBTI is to describe the aspects of different personalities. Therefore it distinguishes between the for dimensions E vs I , S vs. N , T vs. F and P vs. J. By finding out the preferences for each dimension mbti gives you 16 different types. So far so good. But by doing this mbti totally ignores the fact that people may have at least one dimension that doesn't show any significant preference at all. For example someone is 90% I, 90%N, 90%T and 60% J. Mbti says: INTJ ( with Ni, Te, Fi, Se), but that means ignoring about 40% of the personality which is INTP (with Ti, Ne, Si, Fe) It gets even worse when someone doesn't show a preference in T vs. F because then the functions get switched around. E.g. INTP ( Ti, Ne, Si, Fe) vs INFP (Fi, Ne, Si, Te). So after this long introduction finally comes the question: I can't Imagine that I'm the first to notice this so what does the theory say about it? Why not extanding the letter Code with a "X" which stands for "No preference" ( e.g. INTX If p vs J is to "balanced")? I mean people with strong preferences in each dimension will have no problem with mbti but I guess that lots of people out there have at least one dimension which is very balanced so that none of the 16 types fit.
What do you think about it?
See this is why I don't follow MBTI or use it as scientific haha! This is why I use the research and knowledge from Objective Personality for typing. The 4 letter acronym doesn't really MEAN anything. Every type (represented by the 4 letters) has 4 cognitive functions. Those functions are everything related to the cognition of that person and they have an order. That order determine the type. Thats all that matters :)
@@InternetLiJo I understand what you are saying, but I have a feeling that the cog. functions approach has a similiar problem. With 8 functions you could form more than 16 types. Why does a Type always have 2 introverted and two extroverted functions? Also this approach assumes that you prefer either thinking or feeling. It's very nice to have you and the other (good) Channels explaning the types and the functions and what the theory is useful for in the world or for your self understanding/growth, but my Ti can't accept the hole thing as long nobody tells me what the proven fundamental for this hole theory is. Because when I think about it for myself it seems to "Made up" or to random to be true.
Do you believe people would couple better having opposite masculine and feminine functions?
Great question. I say of course because imagine an masculine Se dom forcefully expressing an experience on a masculine Si dom who wants a different experience, that could be challenging. Yet if the Si dom was feminine they would be more flexible on possibly changing the experience they want to have from the mas Se dom, better.
Yes. And the crazy part is, you don't even have to try. If you feel natural chemistry with someone, or find them attractive. MOST LIKELY, they are the opposite sexual modalities. It is proving itself time and time again with couples and attraction. It just works.
@@InternetLiJo
Did you notice that people with double masculine ST play are drawn to people with double masculine NT?
7:14 _"Ah my demon feminine sensory, what a piece of work."_ Yeah me too. At least you've got play 2nd. I do think I'd see a cup on a ledge though... I'm very controlling.
Interesting video, although this OP system sounds complicated.
How does masculine Ni INTJ differ from a feminine Ni INTJ?
I thought Ni, was all about narrowing down stuff to one path?
Does knowing if Ni is maculine or feminine, make any material difference in the real world?
It's not too complicated! So you have two sexuals attached to each axis of functions, so there are two assigned to every type. So I am FM which means my sensory (though it's a demon) is feminine. It means I am less pushy with sensory, "real life" facts and things. So that is where you will see it in the real world. My thinking function (extroverted decider) is masculine so that means I am very push with the "reasons". Those are the two functions that you can easily see with the sexuals with, which is why OP tracks them that way. The first sexual in a type ALWAYS refers to sensory and the second always refers to the extroverted decider (either Te or Fe) no matter where they are in your stack. It may sound like a lot in the beginning but it's really fun to study and really helps you find relatively important differences in type and why people of the same type can portray differently.
@@InternetLiJo my husband was talking about where females fall on the INTJ spectrum & how masculine they come off as being. This helped in understanding. I like to have a plan but I also like to be flexible & not too fixed. My husband is an INTJ & he is 'this is the plan & that's the way it is'. until no one shows up for the plan...
I never thought about cognitive functions like this before. Fascinating stuff. I'll have to think about this one more.
I like your clarification of a coin as an axis! Sometimes I'm overwhelmed with new jargon that can simply be expressed in terms from preexisting models. But, new jargon is trendy, and the coin concept does work for the math/science agnostics.
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Thanks, you’ve been helpful in figuring this out, I think I have Savior Feminine Ni followed by Savior Masculine Te based on this bit of information
This video is underrated. You explained demon and saviors really really well.
You explained it quite well.
Nice video as always Lijo.
Well thank you kindly Star.
This was very insightful to watch.
I knew right away that I am Demon F-Se and Saviour M-Ni cause I can see how they play out daily in my life.
The hard part was figuring out if I'm M-Fe or M-Ti, cause I'm not assertive with either. But I'm leaning more towards M-Fe cause I'm very hard on myself when it comes to social norms and preserving the group's harmony, generally
As someone with masculine demon sensory, the idea of feminine sensory scares the living daylights out of me 😂😅 I swear my heart started racing as I heard you explain it haha! I would love to see you explain more about your feminine demon sensory because I honestly can't imagine what that would be like. I have feminine Ni and Te, and I think one of the primary ways I rely on to ground myself in the real world is to go back in time and latch back on to my memories of the external world as it was at the time. There would be times where I would drift in a conversation (courtesy of my Ni) and upon being asked a question I would immediately replay what I just heard literally and process it in order to give a very delayed response lol.
Your whole look here is captivating. Great info too, learned a lot!
Thank you! Hope to see you around :)
Hey! What I'm confused about is: the sexual energy letters describe what? Like, I know the concepts, but which functions are they referring to?? For example: MM Ni/Ti would be Masculine Ni and Masculine Ti, or Masculine De and Masculine Oe? And which order?
Masculine Fi confirmed for sure. Especially from the way you described it. as far as Se and Ni go for me, I am leaning more towards masculine Se for myself.
Well...looks like we are in the same boat. ISFP here. Both my saviors are masculine.
Since you might be double masculine SF what is your favorite thing to do? Do you have a hobby?
@@TheNicMMc I have always been big on video games. This virus is keeping me from going to the gym. I miss lifting heavy...I have to rely on stupid in home workouts without weight. So boring...
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Sorry to hear about that.
Double Masculine SF people tend have a lot of energy and are to drawn to exercise routines, sports or something that can be use as some kind of outlet so I get how stir crazy you must be feeling.
I find the memory part particularly interesting. I like to describe Masculine Intuition’s memory as “categorically focused” (meanwhile I call Masculine Sensory’s memory “detailed-focused”). I can remember how the different models in Jungian Typology work fairly easily because I can intuitively compare, contrast, categorize and organize them in ways that it just works. But I can’t do that with sensory. There’s no meaningful “hook” for me to catch, it just feels like random information being carelessly thrown at me. I have actually tried to solve my problem with remembering dates by creating my own calendar that includes the zodiac signs, and I have even color coded each sign, because I need something to help me intuitively categorize the dates.
Edit: For reference, I’m a self-typed INFP, so I have masculine Ne, not Ni.
I'm more confused about myself now then before I watched this video.
Great explanations nonetheless.
Are there any tests that you would suggest for this?
Just to study with objectivepersonality.com
Example about the glass on the ledge helped a lot. Every time I would think that could fall, and I’d move it immediately.
the concept of fighting for our masc functions makes so much sense!
LiJo, so how do I find out which of my oberserver is masculine, being an INTP?
My Ne is a saviour so it is strong and always wants to consume. I am badass flexible and adaptable. I see patterns and possible outcomes, yet I know this might or might not be happening, evaluating with my M Ti.
My Memory is kinda shaky as my awareness of reality, so I never argue about it.
I feel like both observers are F... :( How to find the M?
I'm very similar to you. Do you ever get picky or over-thorough with sensory things, like cleaning, note-taking, etc? I do, and I'm also INTP with masculine Ti (almost sure), so I'm guessing that picky/thorough sensory behaviour is masculine Si. I sometimes will awkwardly pick up other people's litter in a park if they left it. Don't get me wrong - my house is a total mess with kids, but when I do clean, it's thorough and therefore time-consuming. Very annoying. Same with any projects I do. When I was in university in a design program, I was pulling all-nighters and finishing last minute for almost every project, because it could always be improved and refined.
Also, check out the video by Objective Personality titled "Visual Memory: Masculine N". They say that people tend to store their memories in their masculine observers, whether it's a saviour or demon doesn't matter. If you have masculine N you tend to have a visual memory and more categorized rather than detailed (like Jordan Peterson's memory castle example), and if you have masculine S you tend to remember the finer details. So that might help you decipher your observers as M or F as well.
Would some anecdotes for masculine sensory include:
- fast, maneuvering driving
- aggressive in sports, sudden movements
- have been told that I am “stiff” and should be more flexible physically.
- pretty good with vocabulary, memorization, and cataloging. Respecting dates and understanding the weight or size of things.
- as a child, a big time rough-houser. I accidentally broke someone’s collar bone during rough and tumble play. I felt horrible.
Just generally being like “Drax” from guardians of the galaxy in a sense with my physical mannerisms. Taking things too literally.
Would you consider these strong indications of masculine sensory.
This was SO helpful
thank you so much 💛
Trying to figure out for me personally how this plays out with my functions, thanks this is helpful self analysis is tough though!
Your topics are really very interesting I see other videos on 2× speed but your videos on 1× speed
Great analogy with the watches :0)
Why are right-brain functions generally regarded as "feminine?" As for the whole "cat versus dog" energy thing, what about rabbits? I'm an INTJ and I've always thought of myself as being rabbit-like in terms of Jungian animal totems - the defining trait being a certain sort of fastidiousness.
I think I have octopus energy
@@bananewane1402 Octopuses are known for cleverness, so that works.
@@judsongaiden9878 That and also I'm soft and vulnerable and I hide in caves and make armor out of coconut shells
So Ni is more like premenstrual phase and Ne is more like menstrual phase. Interesting!
hahahahahah
This is the best video I have seen on this topic. I am so interested in what they're doing over at OP but I really struggle to understand the over arching ideas because they talk over each other and assume you already understand a lot. I have been trying to piece together little bits but this is much more concise. I'm still on a long learning journey but I feel like you have helped me take a good few steps along so thank you.
Ahh awesome!! I love talking OP!
@@InternetLiJo just been deleting emails as they're full and came across your response. Yeah would love to hear more OPS stuff on your channel. I've been typed by OPS now, loving it. Now it all makes sense finally! Growth is starting. MF Ni/Ti SBP(c). Keep up your great work lady!
Oh my god, now it makes perfect sense. Si is my demon function but I feel like I'm actually good at using it because whenever I do, I find myself remembering things very well or be very thorough with organizing things, although it might take a lot of effort for me to. Turns out hat it's just because I have masculine Si. I'm pretty sure my Ti is masculine, too. People often get offended and feel attacked whenever I'm on my Ti-savior mode. >
I was looking forward this video since you first talk about feminine and masculine function, thanks.
So it seems as if what you're saying is that the Feminine functions can/do function in a sort of passive-aggressive fashion. Am I understanding you correctly?
I'd Say Feminine functions act Receptive & Flexible.
I wouldn't say passive-aggressive. I would say they are 80 passive, then 20% aggressive on the tail end.
@@InternetLiJo Ok, I follow now. Thanks for the clarification.
LIjo, I have been called a deletant. Also, I do subvert systems to my purpose (to do things they weren't designed to do). The more I read up, the more I truly feel seen. I can't thank you enough. : )
So glad you are feeling seen, everyone deserves to feel that way.
I should clarify for others: I purchased a cognitive assessment session and requested assistance clarifying my type. Money well spent.
Would you make an in depth video on how you percieve your Ni? If you do consider it, please include your perspective on the concious/subconcious daily funtionality and perception of the distinctions, or whatever you would consider more relevant to expressing it. How would Ni likely differ from individual to individual within a certain type depending on different order of "animals"?
I recently got into OP and I'm trying to type myself. So far, I'm pretty sure I'm Te/Ni, and now I'm looking into the Sexual Modalities. One pattern I've noticed is that I tend to get into situations where I have a very strong gut feeling that I'm right about something, and I'll try to defend that idea with logic, but I'll be easily swayed by the other person's reasons. Then I get frustrated because my _gut_ is telling me that I'm onto something, but I'm not "allowed" to trust it. One thing that really helped me to grow was giving myself permission to pursue those gut feelings and see where they lead me even if I can't back them up with logic yet, and more often than not, I really am onto something. Does that sound like feminine Te/masculine Fi?
I was just doing the MTE pushiness today, "the REASONS are SOUND behind this"
I was wondering, where were you tested? And what does the "BPSC" after the Ni/Te mean?
She was analysed through Objective Personality. BPSC are the order of activation of her Animals. Animals are actions derived from two cognitive functions working together.
B = Blast = Oi + De (in her case, Ni + Te) = Getting started with a known information, controlling people with one idea/information in mind
P = Play = Oe + De (in her case Se + Te) = Back and forth interactions with the randomness of chaos/unexpected information and people around you, doing, taking action, performing, etc.
S = Sleep = Oi + Di = (in her case Ni + Fi) = Internally revisiting and (re)organizing information you're familiar with to yourself, processing known information
C = Consume = Oe + Di (in her case Se + Fi) = Letting in new information to expand personal worldview, considering, extracting and respecting new information and new perspectives.
Mysroth Noctua gave the perfect answer!
@@luijsderoth8835 Thank you!!! Very clarifying answer! Do you know if it is possible for anyone to be analysed through Objective Personality? And how does it work?
Thanks, this is exactly what I searching for, I wanted to know the difference between MF and MM in INTJ functions.
I finally found my personality type : It was a long journey ~1 year.
MM-INTJ-Ni/Fi-SCBP
Ni > Te > Fi > Ti Ne > Se > Si > Fe
_2017 my first MBTI result was INTJ
_Classic MBTI misstyped me as INFJ in 2021 during my depression/anxiety
_2022 OP, cognitives functions, and many others types indicators : INTJ.
Introspection and deep analysis of functions and everything in my life : INTJ
"The most laziest, non laziest person" as you said ^^
The most sociable, non sociable person.
The most kind, non kind person.
The most approachable non approachable person.
The less feminine person of the females XD
Excellent, easy-to-understand breakdown.
Thanks Rose!
Thanks! Based on this I think Im a FM INTP.
Feminine Ti, im open to ideas and flexible, but demon masculine Fe I'm stubborn on my values.
Definitely have feminine Si. I'm oblivious to my surroundings and I don't push on facts and I'm pretty time agnostic. You glossed over the N, but if my Si is obviously feminine then my Ne must be masculine.
OK you did gloss over it, I was just starting my comment. 'this is what could be, and this is the way to get there' is definitely me. Actually for me it tends to be 'this is what's coming - and here's the best way to avoid it'
This video is perfect. Ps: I know it's out of the blue but at 8:02 you made the exact same expression as my ESFP cousin, I'm a bit shocked haha.
Thanks for your take on the topic, your analogies make it so much easier to understand. Such an Ni thing to do though 😂, but nonetheless, it's incredible how well developed it is
I'm Not Convinced About This. Feminine Intuition Sounded More Like External Intuition This Time
Thanks for this greatly informative video! Made me understand the difference between masculine and feminine function a lot better. You're really good at explaining mbti stuff, gives me a lot more clearer idea about all that. So thanks a lot! What do you think about masculine Ne and feminine Ne?
Wait, can you explain again why you're typed as FM? Do they not indicate your 2 savior functions but your sensing function and extroverted decider by default even if they're your demon functions? Why is that?
Thanks for this video. I was wondering if my functions ( I am an ISTP) were masculine or feminine. I was pretty sure that my demon Fe was feminine. Now I am sure. Your descriptions made it clear. I am masculine Ti, feminine Fe, masculine Se, and feminine Ni
Thank you so much for the explanation! Well thought out and explained, as always!! :)
Ah thank you! It's a bit of a niche subject so I'm glad you got something out of it.
YAY! Thank you thank you for this video! Love OP but I haven’t been able to find a clear laid out description of masculine vs feminine in relation to type. Really helpful with all the detailed examples! 🙌🏼
I think I might be MM Ni/Fi SCBP- what does this mean of how I come across having feminine functions at the top? 👀 don’t know that I would necessarily label my general demeanor as “feminine” haha
Haha it means you would be pushy your ST but in a demon state. So probably when you are pushing "clarity in reality" to the tribe it's a bit weird and over the top lol. Having Ni and Fi being Feminine would be you're really "go with the flow" in a savior state.
8:23 don't call us out like that
This was really helpful, thanks so much. Confirmed my masculine Ni-Ti and feminine Fe-Se. Smh at your examples of fem Sensing, lol.
I wish you were my teacher in school, you are amazing!. You explained the cat vibe of feminine functions very well. When I received my type, I thought the FF code is too basic for my 2 strong functions because their evident in me but when I heard you explaining the bitchy, clawing “cat vibe” which is more powerful than the loud, bossy “dog vibe” after all, my thought was “yeah that sounds about right!”
I think I tend to consider a saviour function as masculine because it has a strong expression and vice versa. The easiest ones to recongnise are masculine Ti and Te. And the hardest are definitely Ni and Ne. Man this is difficult!
love the background, so beautiful!
Thanks! I've been tryin to get out of just using my closet doors all the time lol
This is so interesting. I think I have Savior Fem Ni, Fem Fe, Masculine Ti, and Demon Masculine Se, but I'm not really sure with Ni and Ti ones. I think I would do research to be sure haha.
Thanks for the explanation! You're so attractive, I wish I could have Masculine Te like you.
It would be helpful if I could see a white board display of what you are illustrating.
Hmm this is very interesting, it would explain some things. It gives an idea of sort of subtypes of INTJs. From the sound of it, I think I might be Ni and Te feminine, and Fi and Se masculine. Would explain why I'm a relatively easy going INTJ but on those occasions when my sensory seeking "I want to feel good" side comes out it's more aggressive, like "y'all are being lame guys let's have FUN" lol. And I'm less aggressive with my Te logic but when my Fi values are stepped on I do become the yappy angry dog lol. Do you think the masculine functions are more obvious to other people?
What happened to the INTJ INFJ ISFJ ISTJ video?
Hey INTJ! Pls show the watch you are talking about. We might want to buy one, too! 😎
so as an intp ti if m fe is f or vis vrs? and as for ne si it ti m ne can still be m or f... but then si is the opposing/. ok so how do i figure out whats what is my ti m or f mbti is so much simpler... but i want to grasp this ... or how am i intp 1w2 kind contradicts imo
I guess my both dominant functions are feminine, probably that is why i always kinda frustrated about typing myself. Even though the description fitted me i was like yes but no? It depends on the context. It is literally my answer for everything in my life. Thank you for the video by the way, i was confused about my function slot lately cause i am nowhere near the blast personality (sad savior Ni Te) but not a jumper also.
My best analysis is INTP SBC(P) Ti(M)Si(M) - flipped. Is that 115A? I could not help but try to figure out the number scheme.
Wow the demon vs savior one really got me. I probably have a demon fe and I try to understand how people think and form theories abou it. I'd occasionally talk to my brother about what I'm realizing about people and he'd be like "yeah cool but why did you just realize this"
Butttt what about demon masculine sensory in the cup analogy? ;p
does m and f correlate to daemon of savior?
I got recently typed as ISTP CP/B(S) FF by dave and Shannon (I thought I was ENTP Ne-Ti CP/B(S))
Am I wrong in the theory that Masculine functions tends to be the functions we like to teach others or are less receptive to being taught by others where as feminine functions are more liking to learn from others and more receptive to being taught things?
Im always teaching the logic behind things and why something does or doesnt make logical sense. (Ive also come to the conclusion that not every decision or thing has to be logical and that the universe doesnt operate on logic alone)
I have masculine Ti and Masculine Ni
And Feminine Se and Feminine Fe
I find that I tend to have a much better grasp on my Ti and Ni despite Ni technically being a demon
Fe is what Ive had to learn from other people but is this just because its my last function or because its feminine?
Im curious if someone with their last function being masculine would think of their function
Also I was typed with savior Se but it doesnt really feel like im good at it. Im not into sports or physical sensory things and tend to be more NT nerdy. Im assuming Feminine Se might be more fact gathering while Masculine Se would be more Kinesthetic experience gathering
Hey! Congrats on getting your official type! So Blast is more responsible for teaching, and you have it in the third or “hobby” position! You probably are able to get a fair bit of stuff done and also talk about it well. The masculine functions are the ones we shove with - I have a video on the modalities that may be worth checking out. Would be a lot to type 🤣
@@InternetLiJo ok ill look into it thank you LiJo! I think that hobby function as the third animal is interesting! I definitely dont think im bad at blast just more on the average side.
One thing I found interesting with NT sleep last is that I tend to be very aware of the best ways to systemize things and make them more efficient but the problem is I often Research and think about the strategies but then have not motivation to implement the automations.
It's hard to say what my first animal is or what my savior/demon is but I guess maybe ever once in a while I would make decisions on someone's behalf on what we should do and it has this tendency of effecting them and I often do so without informing them \until I am in the midst of doing it. I do it because I believe they take way too long to deciding on the course of action. I like to think I’m good at this because I haven’t really gotten in trouble for doing this and a lot of times when I make a decision for myself the tribe would end following suit. I don't know if what I'm saying is just simple pea cocking.
I am not sure if I can also go by this but I do often worry about ST related things like "How much do you need this to be?" or "What should we have for dinner?" but the people around tell me often tell me that it is not my concern or that I'm overreacting.
I don't really pay attention to NF things but I get blame for it, like "Well you should have know that I didn't mean like that. Obviously, I was just trying to be nice" or "Read the room, idiot."
So which would you label as masculine or feminine?
It's really hard for me to tell without hearing you talk for awhile so I can pick up your unconscious patterns, especially regarding the sexual modalities.
I learn so much from your videos, thanks ❤️🙏
I'm so glad!
To know what type you are... what do you do? On tests on internet i am intj, but are they accurate?
They are subjective, because you are taking them yourself. So they may or may not be accurate depending on your level of personal objectivity. A lot of people type themselves straight backwards lol. Objective Personality does typing using the double blind method so you're getting an unbiased result. You do have to be in their class though to be typed by them.
LiJo how can i find it out then??
Dose Femmenine Sensory or De affect a stereotypical gay voice please? If so, which one?
Sorry if you awnserd in your vid
Excellent video. I love the OPS videos. This helped clear a few things up for me. I’m still trying to figure out if I’m FM or MF or something else. I have Feminine Ne, Masculine Fi, Feminine Te and Masculine Si. I’m an ENFP, Ne/Fi
If feminine sensory is more flexible with reality or "what did or didn't happen", in theory, could it be more vulnerable to someone gaslighting that individual's reality than masculine sensory (which by this theory, would instead "push the facts of what did or didn't happen")? Or does that not apply to this theory, and feminine sensing is able to be sure of one's reality as confidently as masculine sensing would be?
I mean I feel like both masculine and feminine sensing would be experiencing the reality that they experienced/remember. Whether you own that reality and believe yourself over the person gaslighting you likely doesn't have to do with feminine or masculine
unless perhaps we take into account that feminine sensing gets to that point where it cant take flexibility anymore and "claws at you" motivated by its own values as a cat would haha
Very interesting, I didn't know there were masculine/feminine functions. I think most of mine are masculine, except Te, as I'm relatively open to new info changing my mind. My si-demon is defo masculine, I have a great event memory but when it comes to everything else it's like the watch you mention
nice! So sensory and intuition are a coin and so are thinking and feeling. So if your thinking let's say is feminine, that means your feeling has to be masculine. Same thing with N and S :)
@@InternetLiJo it makes sense, I was a bit dubious about my Se, but it could perfectly be feminine too! I'd honestly never thought about this concept, I have to find out more! :D
Oh lol it just confirmed what I’d already suspected of myself. My hubs was laughing at the examples you gave for the functions that lined up with mine.
Esp the F Se demon and M Ni savior :/
Haha you struck me as F Se like myself!!
This is an interesting concept, however I don't think I fully understand it, I have a few questions:
First, can the same function be either masculine or feminine depending on how it's applied, or are there feminine function and masculine functions? For example, could Ni be either masculine or feminine, depending on the person? Or is Ni necessarily masculine, while Ne is feminine?
Second, why are some traits considered masculine while others are considered feminine? Why is being more "pushy" and dog-like considered masculine, while being more "go with the flow" (at least at first) and cat-like considered feminine? Who determined that?
Any response would be appreciated 🙏
How does the masculine/feminine on the sensory/intuition coin manifest itself?
I definitely have a feminine extroverted decider(fe), which would make me an XF modality. Therefore, could make me audio/kinesthetic (MF) or tester/visual (FF) how could I then differentiate the difference because it is hard to see the modality on the function itself in isolation. How do you see your own modality being an audio kinesthetic?
My brother is masculine se on the top so it’s strong and prevalent in his personality; pushing the it’s a FACTs (solid there) and it tends to make me upset like I don’t understand what he is doing pushing the facts. I’m beginning to think that it is because I don’t see the facts as important/matter possibly flexible because I argue back saying sure BUT you are missing the understanding! Because facts are only something there to contribute to a larger understanding and that is what matters. Is this an accurate conception? Please let me know if my ti is correct with your te (:
I should also get typed but I hear it takes ages. First be in the classes, Gosh. And then May or may not even be typed. I just wish I could officially be typed so that I also get some fine grasp on these things. otherwise, the amount of second guessing and re-evaluations and re-reading and researching that i do is close to infinity. I think each of the 16 types have ever been my type in my self typing journey. the time wastage just kills me but the curiosity and triggering thoughts can't stop bugging me. At times I wish I never landed on these personality. I even think even after my official typing, I will still second guess that. May be I will pose as another person and re describe myself again. after like three time of doing that. If its the same typing, then I may rest in peace. But still the fact that there still exists other typing system will again keep bugging me until I also figure everything out. like relationship between socionics, attitudinal psyche, big five, global five, the temperaments, but whyyyyyy
I could clearly see that I have masculine sensory, and feminine intuition. However, the deciders are not so clear. I have concluded that I am feminine Ti and masculine Fe.
Is this conversation how Te looks like? I'm an ENTP so I have Ti parent.... and all I've heard of your talking was "if someone has this more strong than this, then..." Rsrs.
I'm trying to find the objective source of the knowledge like, "if Te parent then this, it Fi child then that".
You have any other video more logical about this subject?. I am not criticizing, it's just because I couldn't understand very well this way you explained (:
My question is how to type M or F of a function by just looking at all the 8 function of a person (Ego + Shadow) or are M and F pure observable traits (not into our DNA)?
Excellent. Love you
though I think you look better in purple, not red hahaha
(edit): oh, it's been quite a while since you changed the theme and I only realized now lol
Hey thanks, it’s very clear but I’ll try to spot if my Te or Fi is masculine.
I got that I’m surely Ni dom masculine and Se inferior feminine but I’m like “go with the only reason. This method is useless” but also “I don’t understand you. I don’t catch what you believe and you’re wrong”, so it seems they are both masculine but I’ll figure it out.
Edit: I think that at end I’m more feminine Fi and masculine Te because I saw OP’s video with Dave and Shan and I really find myself in Shan like masculine N, masculine T, feminine F and feminine S but with masculine Fs I try to imitate the masculine Fi (very badly) lmao. Anyway I think tertiary function as feminine is quite difficult to spot (till you see real people with that function as feminine) because you don’t use it very much and so it can seem masculine, but maybe it’s just my theory/my chase
I’m curious how your M Ni looks while remembering things. Dave and Shan talk about masculine N as a solid framework for memory where facts kind of fit into them. Where masculine S is remembering the facts and then our N can rebuild itself from there. Does that fit with you?
Yes solid framework, completely non literal. My memory of the sensory is almost non existent.
That is so interesting 🤔. So many nuances to this. I wonder if you have plan A1 and a kabillion contingency plans, does that make you masculine or feminine. Great presentation and insights. Thanks.💙
Great video! Thank you