Hear me out, the easy change is just to add block stacks to his passive, it makes him tankier while still focusing on being a counter to auto attacks. one block stack per ability isn't crazy and could even be limited to every three seconds. it makes him have more of a niche but it will still let you play him support viably or he will be strong against vamana and all the other AA warriors in solo.
I'd love to see Hi-Rez do another round of spicy changes like they did in 10.9 for a few gods. It wasn't necessarily a success on all of them but it at least got them talked about a bit and gave some of them more of a niche than they had before. As for Xing specifically I'd want them to lean into that "Relentless" angle more, make him great at just staying in the fight and being problem, rather than being a guy who breaths his halitosis on you before getting embarrased and jumping away from you.
And it was a huge success for some gods. I love what they did with Osiris and he has become one of my favourite warriors since. Sometimes, you just need little things.
I'll elaborate spicy changes, as a creative idea maker, those changes could be out of balance, but isn't me to decide it. Xing Tian: Passive: based on 300% of your HP5+100% when you search lvl 20, is converted on a shield when you pop 40% health potions or lower, for 30 secs, Cooldown 1:30 minutes, Cooldown only starts when you be full health. Skill 1: additional tick damage like Aphro 3 and Cabra 3, this skill has anti heal properties Skill 2: Ignores 1/2 of the DR effects (ex: when you re Full DR stacks isn't 80% reduction,but is 40%), maybe knockup immunity is necessary to Xing too. Ult: Xing threw the enemies further, also ignores player walls, likes Vamana ult Kumbhakarna: Passive: when you re sleeping, an aura are created around you, reducing Atk speed to nearly enemies and boosting your allies atk speed (5+1% per level) Skill 1: you re able to threw players pets but Argus, also your threw stun enemies for 1 sec Skill 2: reduces activation time Skill 3: Kumbhakarna gains 25% Crowd Control reduction for 1 to 3 seconds. Fafnir just make him depends less of his ultimate, Fafnir has lower impact if hes is in dwarf form. Maui: is too young to take a seriously update
Artio: Passive: a new component, based on how much you shred the enemies protections, they gonna take bonus damage based on 40% of the shred protections (Highly effective against tanks, against a 650 player protections is like 31 bonus damage for each hit landed on your skills) also enemies take only a stack debuffs per skill (likes her ult) Skill 1: your heal gives 1+0.2 per level phy and mag power for each player you dealt damage for 5 seconds. Skill 2: further area effect Skill 3: +0.2 root duration per level (max 2 secs) Ult: the effects buffs has the twice effectiveness per stack, but the max stacks is capped to 4 stacks Cabrakan: Nothing to be honest, Cabrakan has a richness component on his set skills, just buffs his stats and skills
Really. His 2 applying 3 stacks of DR makes follow-up from your teammates much harder. It's pretty dumb that all knockups apply 2 stacks of DR when some knockups CC you for much longer than others.
DR Change on his 2 massively effects him just like with Kumba which is a problem. Maybe they should give his Leap a Tremble when you land on an enemy And Passive grants nearby allies 1.5% Attack Speed and 2 Power per Stack So his Niche is an aggressive support like Ares so I attack you i get HP5 but my Lane Buddy is going to get More Attack Speed and Damage to bully the lane and your ADC and Auto Attack Solo and Jungler are going to be doing Less Damage
Great analysis. I think you also bring up the idea of god identity moving forward considering the almost 130 characters in the game. How do we continue to find identities for characters that have so much in common already and not have it feel like we're just arbitrarily mixing and matching kits, especially for classes like mages and hunters that by definition have a very specific role and goal?
I honestly don't think he needs a full or even partial rework, at least for his Solo viability. The one thing Xing always lacked in Solo was wave clear, so he was only ever an option if Mystical Mail was in a good state (like right now). But if he had his wave clear, he was a very good pick in auto attackers and/or hunter metas due to his 1 and general survivability. I also liked the fact that he was a more supportive solo and you were mostly setting up or peeling for your team. The only thing holding him back in solo right now is the normal xp/blue start; he needs a century to clear both buffs. So maybe increase his level 1 damage a bit and he should be fine...
He'd be fine if his 2 didnt DR itself or could be fired seperately (like nem dash) or was just faster.... His damage should go up too, after all he was originally a high damage tank. Edit; i would also love to see his 3 refresh the DoT & debuff on his 1.
What most people don’t know about this god is that when deciding to pick Xing Tian, you MUST equip the burger skin. How can you expect to have an impact on a game when you are not utilizing the Fully Tactical, High Octane, Anti-God Battle Burger with tomato ordinance capabilities?
Enemies should spin for a sec like merc ult after he chucks them. Also the protection buff from his 3 should last for 5 secs after he jumps and not just be during his jump. Lastly if he is truly Relentless his passive should give Movements Speed or Mitigation per stack as well so he can run ppl down more effectively.
As a solo main, I would love to see him there to counter basic attack solo laners. He has never been playable there in the 4 years I've played because he can't clear the wave well. He's even worse at this point because so many of the meta solo items give HP5 so he has comparable sustain to other solos since he can't build the hammers and isn't very good with the shields. One of the biggest issues I see with him is the passive. It gives a stat that hard caps and it doesn't scale, so it goes from being okay in the early game to almost useless in the late game (especially since you can't consistently stack it in the late game. Gilg gets 30 HP5 forever and Xing needs to hit abilities on 10 targets to get the same for 18s). I like the idea of it giving a %heal so it scales. I like the idea of him getting bonuses to keep it stacked. I also think maybe the stack cap could be reduced, so he could get full value consistently in the late game. Maybe 0.4% max HP heal per second, up to 10 stacks. Stacks last 5 seconds and refresh on every ability hit. I'm just throwing out numbers as examples. I think incentivizing him to play smart and space out his abilities to refresh his passive would be an interesting play pattern. I also like your idea of giving him 2 charges of his 1. That would also help him consistently play around his passive due to being able to keep it stacked from range.
One simple change, make the knock up not proc dr. The root should because it has a long duration, but the knock up stacks the dr so the root is less. Easy
Make the root DR immune. Lower the cooldown on the ult even more so that he can do it more often, so he’s maybe useful often against enemies that have a CC immune ult and dash and beads. Give him a small amount of power in his passive like Bacchus has or give him mitigations like kuzembo. You could even do something extra spicy and give him built in antiheal on something like his ult so when they beads or ult out, they still have a debuff.
I think Xing Tian should be a solo laner. I mean he used to be OP as fuck as a solo laner but then got nerfed a little too hard and everyone forgot about him. Like every guardian solo laner. He needs a couple of buffs, but even then I think the existence of the golden shards kinda fucks him, his 1 should do more damage to minions probably. In fights he would be decent without any extra buffs but he struggles too much in lane. I feel like just buffing his laning phase should make his WR go to at least 50%. If it's still lower we could go for another buff like the ones you mentioned. Or, of course, they could make him a support and don't listen to anything I said.
honestly as someone who loves this god his best role is prob jungle rn just cuz you can at least blink and blow someone up late. as a support you offer so little and as a solo you offer so little compared to every other solo
While I'd like to see him get the DR change that Sylv got for his 2, I feel like Xing is actually really fucking good rn. He's a menace to Frontline and he smokes backliners. His WR at Gold+ shows it too.
You know who does it better? Kuzenbo, Aries, Charon, atlas, Cerberus, bake, Cthulhu, and cabraken. He needs a fat rework and turn him into solo. I like xing but he doesn’t win high lvl games.
@@RealistRatRace His Win Rate is the highest at higher ranks rn? Sitting around 60%+. Not to mention, he's definitely doing it better than Cabra, Cthulhu, and I'd say Cerb too. I think he could use some adjustments, like to his 2, but I don't think he's doing all that bad rn. I will take any buffs though, I'm of the opinion we could use more buffs in the game anyway
@@SynderFGC you can’t really determine the win rate based on support characters. It’s more luck than xing actually doing something. Trust me dude xing really does nothing especially with the DR change they really killed him. It’s weird they always killed giga chad gods 😔
They need to copy lol and dota when it comes to supports, it feels like most supports are just cc dmg sponges late game. We need different type of supports, enchanters, healers, true supports (something like geb) and damage dealing supports. It would actually make it fun to play support and be able to carry games. Having a good support right now feels really good, but ultimately its up to the randoms in your team how the match ends
His root needs to be DR immune if they want him to be support-viable The DR changes screwed him so hard and if you use his 2 properly you're always getting super diminished value from the root For solo viability I feel like range on his leaps would be a solid way to buff him
Hear me out here what if he had a passive simply called Ruthlessness where for every (insert number persecond here) hes in combat he gains (insert number here) power or protections OR even better just thought of this as typing he pains a stack of hp5 that can overcap may be broken but like it would be cool af.
I think hitting the one should reset it make it only apply 15% dmg reduction cap it at 30% this way you could space out your dmg reduction longer not have it be so op + he gets more wave clear and can apply it to more ppl and give his knock up 15% auto damage reduction now he has an identity
I still remember when he first came out. Literally a powerhouse monster. Would build all damage and steamroll games 😂 even between then and now he was decent but yeah lately he has fell off. In Smite 2 i hope they make him more unique
i agree with your analysis of his kit, and i do think Xing Tian has gotten power crept over time, but i hard disagree that he is one of the worst god in the game
Hear me out, the easy change is just to add block stacks to his passive, it makes him tankier while still focusing on being a counter to auto attacks. one block stack per ability isn't crazy and could even be limited to every three seconds. it makes him have more of a niche but it will still let you play him support viably or he will be strong against vamana and all the other AA warriors in solo.
this is the way
I like this a lot
Aye, you’re cooking
I'd love to see Hi-Rez do another round of spicy changes like they did in 10.9 for a few gods. It wasn't necessarily a success on all of them but it at least got them talked about a bit and gave some of them more of a niche than they had before.
As for Xing specifically I'd want them to lean into that "Relentless" angle more, make him great at just staying in the fight and being problem, rather than being a guy who breaths his halitosis on you before getting embarrased and jumping away from you.
100% down I loved nearly all the spicy changes
And it was a huge success for some gods. I love what they did with Osiris and he has become one of my favourite warriors since. Sometimes, you just need little things.
I'll elaborate spicy changes, as a creative idea maker, those changes could be out of balance, but isn't me to decide it.
Xing Tian:
Passive: based on 300% of your HP5+100% when you search lvl 20, is converted on a shield when you pop 40% health potions or lower, for 30 secs, Cooldown 1:30 minutes, Cooldown only starts when you be full health.
Skill 1: additional tick damage like Aphro 3 and Cabra 3, this skill has anti heal properties
Skill 2: Ignores 1/2 of the DR effects (ex: when you re Full DR stacks isn't 80% reduction,but is 40%), maybe knockup immunity is necessary to Xing too.
Ult: Xing threw the enemies further, also ignores player walls, likes Vamana ult
Kumbhakarna:
Passive: when you re sleeping, an aura are created around you, reducing Atk speed to nearly enemies and boosting your allies atk speed (5+1% per level)
Skill 1: you re able to threw players pets but Argus, also your threw stun enemies for 1 sec
Skill 2: reduces activation time
Skill 3: Kumbhakarna gains 25% Crowd Control reduction for 1 to 3 seconds.
Fafnir just make him depends less of his ultimate, Fafnir has lower impact if hes is in dwarf form.
Maui: is too young to take a seriously update
Artio:
Passive: a new component, based on how much you shred the enemies protections, they gonna take bonus damage based on 40% of the shred protections (Highly effective against tanks, against a 650 player protections is like 31 bonus damage for each hit landed on your skills) also enemies take only a stack debuffs per skill (likes her ult)
Skill 1: your heal gives 1+0.2 per level phy and mag power for each player you dealt damage for 5 seconds.
Skill 2: further area effect
Skill 3: +0.2 root duration per level (max 2 secs)
Ult: the effects buffs has the twice effectiveness per stack, but the max stacks is capped to 4 stacks
Cabrakan:
Nothing to be honest, Cabrakan has a richness component on his set skills, just buffs his stats and skills
The DR changes hit him hard.
I think he'll be okay with some tweaks
Really. His 2 applying 3 stacks of DR makes follow-up from your teammates much harder. It's pretty dumb that all knockups apply 2 stacks of DR when some knockups CC you for much longer than others.
@@theblaqknight pretty sure roots apply 2 stacks now so it's actually full DR immediately from hitting your 2
@@teejay1646Roots are 1 stack
DR Change on his 2 massively effects him just like with Kumba which is a problem.
Maybe they should give his Leap a Tremble when you land on an enemy
And Passive grants nearby allies 1.5% Attack Speed and 2 Power per Stack
So his Niche is an aggressive support like Ares so I attack you i get HP5 but my Lane Buddy is going to get More Attack Speed and Damage to bully the lane and your ADC and Auto Attack Solo and Jungler are going to be doing Less Damage
Great analysis. I think you also bring up the idea of god identity moving forward considering the almost 130 characters in the game. How do we continue to find identities for characters that have so much in common already and not have it feel like we're just arbitrarily mixing and matching kits, especially for classes like mages and hunters that by definition have a very specific role and goal?
I honestly don't think he needs a full or even partial rework, at least for his Solo viability. The one thing Xing always lacked in Solo was wave clear, so he was only ever an option if Mystical Mail was in a good state (like right now). But if he had his wave clear, he was a very good pick in auto attackers and/or hunter metas due to his 1 and general survivability. I also liked the fact that he was a more supportive solo and you were mostly setting up or peeling for your team.
The only thing holding him back in solo right now is the normal xp/blue start; he needs a century to clear both buffs. So maybe increase his level 1 damage a bit and he should be fine...
Even some aoe autos would help his clear a fair bit and makes sense considering he has a big axe
@@teejay1646 Now that you mention it, maybe I should try the new aoe shard on him
@@kingkevin23 I mean it couldn't make his clear any *worse* lol
Could even try the golden shard cuirass cheese clear
He'd be fine if his 2 didnt DR itself or could be fired seperately (like nem dash) or was just faster....
His damage should go up too, after all he was originally a high damage tank.
Edit; i would also love to see his 3 refresh the DoT & debuff on his 1.
What most people don’t know about this god is that when deciding to pick Xing Tian, you MUST equip the burger skin. How can you expect to have an impact on a game when you are not utilizing the Fully Tactical, High Octane, Anti-God Battle Burger with tomato ordinance capabilities?
......no
I got the skin but I hate his walking sounds so much
BURGER TIME
That was sizzlin!!
Mmmmm tomatos
Enemies should spin for a sec like merc ult after he chucks them.
Also the protection buff from his 3 should last for 5 secs after he jumps and not just be during his jump.
Lastly if he is truly Relentless his passive should give Movements Speed or Mitigation per stack as well so he can run ppl down more effectively.
Love the movement speed idea for the passive
Xing was my first main, and one of my fav gods even this day. Doesnt matter if he is bad or not😤
As a solo main, I would love to see him there to counter basic attack solo laners.
He has never been playable there in the 4 years I've played because he can't clear the wave well. He's even worse at this point because so many of the meta solo items give HP5 so he has comparable sustain to other solos since he can't build the hammers and isn't very good with the shields.
One of the biggest issues I see with him is the passive. It gives a stat that hard caps and it doesn't scale, so it goes from being okay in the early game to almost useless in the late game (especially since you can't consistently stack it in the late game. Gilg gets 30 HP5 forever and Xing needs to hit abilities on 10 targets to get the same for 18s). I like the idea of it giving a %heal so it scales. I like the idea of him getting bonuses to keep it stacked. I also think maybe the stack cap could be reduced, so he could get full value consistently in the late game.
Maybe 0.4% max HP heal per second, up to 10 stacks. Stacks last 5 seconds and refresh on every ability hit. I'm just throwing out numbers as examples. I think incentivizing him to play smart and space out his abilities to refresh his passive would be an interesting play pattern.
I also like your idea of giving him 2 charges of his 1. That would also help him consistently play around his passive due to being able to keep it stacked from range.
One simple change, make the knock up not proc dr. The root should because it has a long duration, but the knock up stacks the dr so the root is less. Easy
Make the root DR immune. Lower the cooldown on the ult even more so that he can do it more often, so he’s maybe useful often against enemies that have a CC immune ult and dash and beads. Give him a small amount of power in his passive like Bacchus has or give him mitigations like kuzembo.
You could even do something extra spicy and give him built in antiheal on something like his ult so when they beads or ult out, they still have a debuff.
Sounds like he's built perfectly for his lore.
Big scary guy - has lost every fight he's ever been in. 🙃
I think Xing Tian should be a solo laner. I mean he used to be OP as fuck as a solo laner but then got nerfed a little too hard and everyone forgot about him. Like every guardian solo laner.
He needs a couple of buffs, but even then I think the existence of the golden shards kinda fucks him, his 1 should do more damage to minions probably. In fights he would be decent without any extra buffs but he struggles too much in lane.
I feel like just buffing his laning phase should make his WR go to at least 50%. If it's still lower we could go for another buff like the ones you mentioned.
Or, of course, they could make him a support and don't listen to anything I said.
I think solo is where I’d put him too tbh
honestly as someone who loves this god his best role is prob jungle rn just cuz you can at least blink and blow someone up late. as a support you offer so little and as a solo you offer so little compared to every other solo
Need a Kumba video like this. Give us some more info on why he’s good against melee AA gods
- ‘member when Xing-Bellona were the “have to pick or ban” characters in solo S3?
- Oh yeah I ‘member!
While I'd like to see him get the DR change that Sylv got for his 2, I feel like Xing is actually really fucking good rn. He's a menace to Frontline and he smokes backliners. His WR at Gold+ shows it too.
You know who does it better? Kuzenbo, Aries, Charon, atlas, Cerberus, bake, Cthulhu, and cabraken. He needs a fat rework and turn him into solo. I like xing but he doesn’t win high lvl games.
@@RealistRatRace His Win Rate is the highest at higher ranks rn? Sitting around 60%+. Not to mention, he's definitely doing it better than Cabra, Cthulhu, and I'd say Cerb too. I think he could use some adjustments, like to his 2, but I don't think he's doing all that bad rn. I will take any buffs though, I'm of the opinion we could use more buffs in the game anyway
@@SynderFGC you can’t really determine the win rate based on support characters. It’s more luck than xing actually doing something. Trust me dude xing really does nothing especially with the DR change they really killed him. It’s weird they always killed giga chad gods 😔
Make my boy xing into a solo menace, maybe even make him a warrior, the lore and his playstyle kind of implies it
Would you do a video on how to deal with split pushing hunters? Say fg fight is about to happen, who backs to defend ? Solo?
One of Xing's greatest assets right now is literally just screaming at an ADC and idk that kinda resonates with me so i wouldn't change him.
i think in this meta of hunters mid i think hes actually really good, hes not a backline supp hes a frontline menace
Problem is he’s not good enough at that
They need to copy lol and dota when it comes to supports, it feels like most supports are just cc dmg sponges late game. We need different type of supports, enchanters, healers, true supports (something like geb) and damage dealing supports. It would actually make it fun to play support and be able to carry games. Having a good support right now feels really good, but ultimately its up to the randoms in your team how the match ends
His root needs to be DR immune if they want him to be support-viable
The DR changes screwed him so hard and if you use his 2 properly you're always getting super diminished value from the root
For solo viability I feel like range on his leaps would be a solid way to buff him
Hear me out here what if he had a passive simply called Ruthlessness where for every (insert number persecond here) hes in combat he gains (insert number here) power or protections OR even better just thought of this as typing he pains a stack of hp5 that can overcap may be broken but like it would be cool af.
"well erm i just went 16-3 on him in assault so obviously youre wrong"
You got me there LOL
He needs to be kitted for solo. Just makes the most sense
This is something definetly will change in Smite 2
I think hitting the one should reset it make it only apply 15% dmg reduction cap it at 30% this way you could space out your dmg reduction longer not have it be so op + he gets more wave clear and can apply it to more ppl and give his knock up 15% auto damage reduction now he has an identity
I still remember when he first came out. Literally a powerhouse monster. Would build all damage and steamroll games 😂 even between then and now he was decent but yeah lately he has fell off. In Smite 2 i hope they make him more unique
Literally just make his 2 not apply dr to itself and he’s immediately playable again.
Was just thinking about this boy yesterday
i agree with your analysis of his kit, and i do think Xing Tian has gotten power crept over time, but i hard disagree that he is one of the worst god in the game
Xiang tian hard counters danza. Haven't played him alot since like season 8
Buff hun batz , bro is an ult bot
I think xing is great i always get postive kd and do well with him maybe buff dps a small bit but i like him
BRUH what is this take. Xing Tian is good af. People need to git gud at dodging damage with his 3 lmao
What’s he good at that other gods aren’t better at
So... you dodge the dmg and then what?
Man xing is so boring when meta 😢
Hasn’t been meta in like 5 years at least lol what you on about
His role is mid trust me.
IM NOT TROLLING, I JUNGLE HIM AND THATS WHERE HE FEELS BEST. EYE AND PASSIVE HP5 YOU DONT FEEL TOO WEAK
@@Inbowned jungle i had always troubles with early clear, you take gooseberries?