How to Turn a Fiero Into a Track Car - /MATT FARAH
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- The Pontiac Fiero may be the butt of many automotive jokes, but believe it or not, the original designers had high hopes for America’s first mass-produced, mid-engined sports car. Unfortunately, the accountants won, and, well, we know how it went.
But what if it hadn’t? Could ingenuity and know-how turn the maligned Fiero into a proper sports car? We hit up a Speed District Track day to find out.
People for some reason hate on the Fiero. It has a winning race history and perfect balance and design. I just do not get all the hate on these beautiful cars...
Shit GM parts grab engines and mechanicals, poor execution. Back in 2000 I test drove one, don't remember the year but it was a V6 so maybe the 2.8? I just remember it had a lot of bottom end for the size of the car but the seating position was horrible, the interior was crappy, it understeered like a demon, and everything was soft - it felt like what you'd think a Buick would feel like. If they'd put in a Quad Four as a base engine and given it just tigther steering and suspension it would've been nice. . In the end I bought an 86 MR-2. Also (and this sounds stupid) but the MR-2 had a lot more trunk space be cause the Fiero didn't have a a usable forward trunk IIRC. You can tell the difference between the two because an MR-2 weighs ~600lb less (2200 vs 2800)
Clifford Bradford I see where your coming from but GM tied the hands of the designers of the car. That's why it was built from numerous GM car parts. But the fiero is the perfect base for a build. You can put any GM motor you want it. The fiero GTP and GTU cars where very successful on the track. With a little work they are perfect track cars.
An 87 and an 88 were two completely different cars.
The suspension is also unnecessarily complex
The motor is awful
And it’s mostly a bunch of junk welded together.
@@cliffordbradford8910 the car is crap. But suspension design by lotus. The steering problems could be steering stabilizer
Eyyyyyy! Nice shirt!
RegularCars Eyyyyy! Nice show!
Sage N Rage he did
Meg Griffin shut up Meg
dude have you got in touch with Joe Rogan yet I think you and him would make a sick cast.
LizardKillerAdamLanza
Not yet. I tweeted him once or twice. Train by day JRE by night!
The last model year of the Fiero (like this one) is solid. If it hadn't taken GM four years to ditch the Chevette suspension, its story would be very different today.
Today, you can upgrade the earlier ones with aftermarket suspension parts that really turn it into the car it was always meant to be.
Correction "If Chevy actually wanted to let Pontiac produce the Fiero, and not halt all the advances, and never brought the axe down when Pontiac snuck in a new suspension...."
Ian Thompson I'm glad thy didn't keep producing them, would turned out pretty lame... And Fiero's would not be that unique.
and if you head over to drive plus....... youll get more dislikes and hate mail....
Thats why most people will head straight to torrents lol...
tbh I have a short attention span and prefer these shorter videos
Actually, no one complains on Drive+ videos, no one even talks about it, and the bar is mostly green. Because they're working mature Adults with money who can afford $4 a month. What is that? A burger or a fancy starbucks coffee a month you must give up to support passionate awesome people? Oh poor you. Worth it.
Larry Smith I don't care. Am the only one who actually likes all the presenters pretty equally. Don't get me wrong I enjoy Harris, but I enjoy Musto, Farah, ect. just as much. He's not the only person that makes Drive, Drive. They all collectively make it special. And he's said he is going to stay in association with them in any case. So again. I don't care.
I also finally am starting to grow to like Alex Roy, although long gone from Drive regular content, I enjoyed him on the Pebble Beach stuff. I miss After Drive every week if anything. My only complaint with Drive at the moment is amount of content. I like the content I'd just like a larger quantity of it.
How to kill a channel in 3 months, with Chris Harris:
1st. - Demand a pay wall, so you can pay insurance for drifting around in exotics and shoot overproduced videos of it.
2nd. - Let my colleagues deal with the backlash from alienated fans.
3rd. - Announce on Twitter that you're doing your own thing now, for free, because the pay wall didn't work.
4th. - ????
5th. - Get treated like a god in the comment section.
why do you think chris makes all the decisions? Personally I think they should have split the channel up a while ago when they knew they where in financial trouble the hosts/series that are profitable continue and drop the ones who don't
And know the Chris has his own channel I will unsub from drive
linglingjr Turns out i'm not delusional. Harris and his ego wants to be seen by more people, apparently.
Smoking Tire podcast:
shoutengine.com/TheSmokingTire/everyday-consistency-and-chris-harris-the-defector-4355
Omg this is my dream car!!! I cant belive it... someone has read my mind and made it a reality. Great... way to let the cat out of the bag Farah.
'You couldn't get a powerful engine from GM in the '90s unless it was a 'Vette.'
>>1991: Turbo 4.3 V6 in the Syclone and Typhoon.
+Josh Mason Pretty sure he was talking MASS produced cars lol The typhoon and cyclone ran in limited numbers. But you are right.
+Josh Mason I totally forgot about those trucks. That was a bad ass motor!
+Steven Snyder Yyyyup! Worked for a pair of GMC/Pontiac/Cadillac/BMW and Chev./Mazda/Mercedes/Jaguar dealerships owned by the same family (across the street from each other) and while I was there.... those Cyclones, Tyhoons and, later, 3rd gen. Twin Turbo RX7's were sold - 3 vehicles that carved deep impressions into my psyche for various reasons but all for their acceleration... just at various RPM ranges and torque availability! Scared the 'bejesus' out of me when the twin turbos kicked in on the 3rd gen. Mazda RX-7 at its screaming RPM range and ....dared to think how long I could grip onto the steering wheel and shift fast enough the transmission lever before braking, wishing for more road at the same time - as if it were a hybrid revving experience of some four-wheeled motorcycle... And the Cyclone... Well, I mashed the accelerator pedal and I could barely see the road over the dash or hood while the surrealism of the vehicle of its size squatting, pulling at all 4 corners during a godly duration to ~ 75 mph .... don't even get me started on drying these off from the dealer car wash up the street, driving them in a 'round the way trip' to their position to the front row street display lineup for boosting the dealership sales...
+Gary Maier correction : sub "Typhoon" for "Syclone" - the Jimmy / Blazer based vehicle
not only did he miss that 4.3 liter Vortec, but, as for GM's offerings, the Quad 4 (H.O.) 4-cylinder had high specific output numbers (output per cylinder/cubic inch displacement) for its day through nearly a decade+plus I believe, maybe even beyond the Ecotec torque and hp that replaced it.... 180 hp manufactured stock & proven 250 hp Turbo by engineers and beyond by tuners... eventually was used in land speed record breaking in the Oldsmobile Aerotech before they ramped up into the Oldsmobile Aurora V8
An episode like this is about appreciating someone's passion for a car. Every episode doesn't have to about super or hyper cars. I enjoyed it, short and sweet.
Videos like this make me even happier to own a fiero. Can't wait to pull the 2.8 for a ls4 now.
Any progress yet????
@@specialksplaytime2385 I was waiting for the stock engine to die and it recently lost its water pump so it's definitely time to start modifying it (though I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did as it was leaking every fluid possible when I got it). I have just been restoring little pieces of it little by little in the meantime. Probably going to go with a Supercharged 3800 though. It doesn't sound as good as the LS4 but much less of a pain to get into the Fiero.
@@XxViciousxXjust started removing the 2.8 in my 86gt for my 3800 swap too 😎
@@ramseyzakaria1333 After all this time the stock engine's water pump died so it's finally time to put that 3800 S/C engine in. Kinda amazed the stock 2.8 lasted this long. But kinda glad it did now I can do a really good job with the build. I would have had to cut a few corners here and there before.
With Chris Harris starting his own channel next month and being able to catch Matt Farah on TheSmokingTire;
I bid you adieu Drive Network.
What channel?
Diogo DaCunha
Chris Harris on cars will be on Chris's new own channel for free. Check his twitter.
A channel from Chris Harris? This is good news. Keep us posted.
J Ram Bitch move by Chris. He was the deciding vote on whether Drive+ would move behind a paywall. Jumping ship after you vote for the ship is rude. Especially since the Drive Team only found out on twitter when the rest of us found out. Chris's ego must have been hurt going from million views to 20k views
They used to race Fieros in the IMSA series back when they races were broadcast on TNN. And some people every converted them to front engine and went drag racing with them. I used to own a 2M4 and it was a blast to drive, even more fun if you put the money into the suspension and did a proper set. Stock it had NO roll bars and would do 360s in the rain if you stood on the brakes.
Definitely looking forward to Chris's new channel.
dave dunn not sure yet
Kaka KarrotCake yes, btw your second name got me jonesing for some carrot cake.
whats his new channel?
more info on this please, chris harris? O.o
***** chris-harris.kinja.com/statement-from-chris-harris-1645507716?rev=1413181847142
Dude's wearing a Regular Car Reviews shirt. I immediately like him.
awesome wrap with the digital camo.
I learned to drive stick in a Fiero, so I have an attachment to the car, was thinking of building one too, upgraded suspension, c4 corvette brakes, and some kind of insane motor :)
awesome video!
Everyone that's still complaining about Drive moving to a subscription-based model can seriously get over themselves.
If you would rather the channel wither away into obscurity... Leave. If you feel you are entitled to free content at the expense of peoples jobs...Leave. If you're here to spew your vitriol because you want to distract yourself from personal issues you refuse to face...Leave.
You satisfy ANY of these requirements, you are what is called a ''.
Get-the-steppin'
*****
The floor is yours...
So retaliation is the answer?
You watching an end-result at your leisure and "liking it" versus everything that goes into the production of a show, the hours the toil the red tape etc. is not a 1:1 comparison.
/Drive mishandled the transition to the payment scheme, so fans interpret this selfishly as a sense of betrayal, how dare I pay for content, I'm entitled to consume for free, because.
My original comment stands true. I've gone so far as to suggest offering a la carte payments for each episode as a suggestion. In the meantime I resubscribe when there's enough content built up to consume.
#atarijaguar
I have which is why I agree with you.
Ulisses Costa +1
John Ralph /DRIVE+ already has an a la carte video structure through Vimeo. It's 99 cents per video: vimeo.com/driveplus
That man looks like EXACTLY the type to kit out a fucking Fiero. I dig.
I think it's funny how all these people come to bitch about drive plus, and how they come to dislike it, so they can "teach em a lesson". Yet, when they do that, drive is still getting their ad revenue. .......so....haha
netrioter Drive does get ad revenue. It just isn't enough to break even. Morons, such as yourself, are still giving Drive money.
not when you have ad block installed!!
Doppelkupplung If they don't get enough to break even why would he care lol
Satellite heh heh
netrioter Yes they do. One of the reasons as to why Drive+ came to be was due to so many of you idiots using adblock that they weren't getting enough money.
the feiro, a scrappy little car with a cursed history but a very dedicated fan base. Much like the beaten puppy in a shelter the people who, for whatever reason, fall in love with the feiro really love it. Small, Light, and not packing much in the trunk can really bring out a driver in any situation. This car isnt fast but its quick and isnt scared to show it. If Initial D was based in america im 100% sure this car would replace the E 86 as the under dog car that teaches its driver. That being said its no drifter. The weight in its rear end and its extreme lack of power would make it hard to drift. But remember cause something is hard doesnt mean its impossible.
Drive.........The single greatest thing to happen to car culture, period.
Fiero’s are great. There are some really well put together examples out there.
Funny how people don't realize the sheer amount of time the /Drive team spends not just filming and setting up these great videos but all the hours editing and prepping for upload. Time is money, and quality content is WORTH paying for. How is that hard to comprehend? Go watch some 240p videos that I know we've all seen and tell me its not worth it.
I've always believed that Fieros had potential. GM brought the car to market before the design had matured, typical of GM's 80s cars. This guy just cemented that belief. I love the digital camo. The car is almost as cool as Matt's Mustang! LOL!
i own a 87 gt with a 3.8l supercharged v6 from a buick reagal and it hauls ass .i put newer bigger brakes from a grand am gt and some used coil overs i got for cheap . this car is awesome .the bad rep was the fire prob due to wiring melting near hot coolant pipes running from front to rear i run newer hoses with a shroud and relocated wiring away.Threw on bigger wider tires and it is a beast handling and speed wise ! Soon taking more weight off by dumping old heavy seats andold interior!......more to come!
Rodney Lyn nice
Rodney Lyn put cts-v coils so its comfortable
Rodney Lyn ad put Pontiac g8 seats
There's a guy out here with a Fiero with a Caddilac V8 in it and races it in auto-x.. those things can literally be scary as hell with some power behind them.
So Chris Harris annouced he left Drive team to have a go with his own channel for free, launching November 12. That is a bitch move Chris! Seriously after you were the deciding vote to go the subscription model of Drive+
Was enjoying this video... Then was reminded of drive plus and my enjoyment was cut short.
Thanks,
Brandon
Don't dislike a video because of politics or Channel changes. You should like or dislike a video based on the content. Then it gives the impression that everyone hates a particular car or there's some sort of controversy about it. It's fine to leave comments but don't dislike a video because of something happening outside of the actual video content...
MATT FARAH I love your reviews man only one i watch on drive you are simple the most entertaining and i love these low budget cars you do that were built by their owners
I'm surprised Matt didn't know this was one of the engines that was slated to go into the 89/90 Fiero. Unfortunately, that was cancelled by GM right before they finally got the fiero right.
What kind of engine was that?
@@overlordisgoogle8431Lq1 3.4 and the OldsQuad4 were slated to go in the fiero b4 cancelation.
You have to love the well sorted out race cars where they had to use creativity to solve problems instead of a pile of money
Stock Fieros are underrated, especially the GT and Formula models.
Nobody likes drive plus
And nobody ever liked JF, but he sticked around.
darek4488
Stuck
I do.
Never knew the two were mutually exclusive. ;)
Rene Hourian Was not talking to you. I'm going to buy Drive+ as soon as I can.
Great little car, shows what a little engineering and ingenuity can do.
hell yeah! Fiero! I remember I Emailed Matt about mine, which I am still building. I still have to build up my 3.8L and modify my chassis for SCCA GT2, but I would love to have Matt drive mine when I finish it. Aiming for 450RWHP and 2300lbs unballasted.
Though the video is short, it's still interesting, to me at least! Way to go, Matt, you fit into a Fiero!
"Can I even fit in this car". Most common phrase from tubby
Sounds good!
Not a big fan of the digital-whatever film covering.
I watched the whole episode on drive plus on dailymotion and you should so, too :D
I'll give a thumbs up for that regular car reviews tshirt. UNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGG
Lol not comfortable @ 2:08. Don't listen to him. He is just too damn fat. The Fiero is actually a very comfortable car. And you'd be surprised how fun it is to drive.
Big and tall
Faster than I expected, this channel has died. Chris Harris already left because of the "paywall". He's starting a new free UA-cam channel like everyone else. Hope you learned JF.
taylor wagneers Chris left with no warning to the other team member. Heck Chris was a voteing member of the Drive team and he voted for the subscription paywall and was the deciding vote on the matter. Now he jumped ship, bit of a dick move if you ask me. Almost like he intentionally want to kill his competition
Unless your the investor in drive+, get a life
taylor wagneers
Nope just really into cars and automotive field so I happen to listen to an automotive podcast where they went into alittle detail of the situation. Thought I would give you a bit of insight cause the guy that left due to the paywall was the guy that decided to vote for the paywall.
I was 19 when GM held the gun to Pontiacs head and told them "That's enough! You guys are trying to make a serious contender out of this Fiero thing and we can't have anything that will get Corvette owners snippy, just ask them jamooks over at Buick what we did to thems guys GN(X) cars we'll kill a whole damn body line if we don't like whats it is yous guys is dooin'..... grumble, grumble" It boggles the mind as the Fiero was really coming into its own in 1988 with its new suspension and a blown GN motor or supercharged 3800 would have been crazy stupid fun in one of these. What a damn shame. P.S. RIP GM G-body. You are still missed.... but I digress.
I *was* subscribed to /Drive+, but I felt that the content wasn't there to justify my continued subscription.
The only thing more beautiful than this Fiero is the owner's RCR shirt.
Please dont shorten tunes episodes. That was the show that got me into this channel!
can't I just watch more adds? I'm tapped out for cash but I like you guys.
i dont know if they cant comprehend it being at the track. i think its just that a fiero is nearly impossible to find at all anymore or at least where i live
just look at the video length before clicking to watch. lesson learned.
Aint ashamed to say it, that dude has a great smile.
I'm not gonna lie, a track fiero has crossed my my a few times
Owner seems like a good dude.
My dads first car was an aw11 mr2, these cars remind me a lot of them. Seeing as they’re pretty plentiful and cheap/have a lot of options for swaps and such, I’m starting to think about looking for one to turn into a project
I bet most of the people whining everything has to be free run adblock so it couldn't be free.
A vast majority of them believe that.
Yeah, that's what really bothers me. I don't use AdBlock on purpose for the sole purpose that I enjoy supporting my UA-cam subscriptions.
That Regular Car Reviews shirt though..
Hell, too bad these guys never got to drive a turboed Quad 4 version of this car! a club members got one!
I was wondering when a fiero would end up on the show... i thought about this 2 days ago coincidently
Thank god that people are uploading the videos so I don't have to pay.
God forbid you actually had to pay for your entertainment.
Track day bro!! XD Sweet RCR shirt!
Is that Matt Farah's million mile Fiero?
Props to that guy for building it. Matt, did you notice significant downforce from that giant rear wing or is it overkill putting it on there?
Well if you head over to drive plus...oh wait no one heads over to drive plus
Oh shit, regular car review t-shirt! :D
The 88 fiero was super nice. Id have one today! It was designed to be able to take a v8. The 89 redesign would've come with an option 3.4 TDC engine.
I had an '85 Fiero SE with the V6 and a manual transmission. I loved that car 'till the warranty wore out and shit everything went to fuck on it. Clutch, fuel pump, water pump. I still miss that car.
I wouldn't be surprised at a fiero at a track day. Or one that has twice the power as this with equally good suspension.
Cool car. Matt is very good at describing why he thinks a car is good or bad.
I'm sad that I won't get to see the full content of this (and others) car. I'm not paying the subscription because I think it isn't worth it just yet, but I'm not going to watch it illegally either, I like and admire this people too much for that. Like I said, I'm just sad.
I want to watch the full version. I need to buy Drive+ soon.
Matt Farah, the '88 is the only year Fiero that has the original PONTIAC designed, though Lotus inspired, chassis, that was canned by Corporate because it was too good for their buddy, the Chevrolet group(84's thru 87's Fieros used generic off the shelf econocar pieces). My setup 88 "notchie" is a playful puppy, which is more fun to play with than my Boxster, and WAY cheaper to feed. As wonderful as the Boxster is, I'm selling it, and putting the money into my Pontiac, and my next project... a 67'-69' Corvair Monza.
the truth is Pontiac had a turbo 3.0 engine ready to go for this car. codename "porscheeater" but the GM execs couldn't have the fiero being faster than their flagship corvette, so the turbo fiero was scrapped.
Dear Drive+,
My experience has since the first days of this channel has changed... Wish you would bring back your full episodes..
What are the chances the full 'plus' episodes ever get released for free?
highly recomend replacing all bushings and adding extra mounting point to stiffen engine ! its also wise to replace upper frame pillars when engine out , they are notoriously rusty ans weak ! there is a replacement piece available for it. just sharing my tips from experence thus far !
Hoosiers bro! Love the rcr guys
got my fiero in Belgium and thanks man for the info, have to pass control technic in Belgium with my 2,5cyl, but after that its an oldtimer 1984, so i can do what i want....
I love Buttonwillow. It's like a go-kart track compares to Laguna Seca.
holy crap... Matt found a full helmet to fit his enormous noggin' xD
Imagine if it had an aluminum 5.3L 243 headed LS4 fwd V8 from an Impala SS in it like some people have done with AFM delete, gnarly cam and headers? HFSTIF (holy f--king s--t this is fast)
220 out of a v6? That's supposed to be a lot? Is that bone stock numbers or fully built numbers? I hate to break it to the owner but a bone stock k20 will put out more power and rev higher.
motor trend, mighty car mods
Like the GM piece, quite unique.
Glad I found an 88 about 10 yrs ago for $1000, forgotten on a backroad, it's an absolute BLAST!
Why are the haters THE FIRST ones to show up?
... Was only able to experience 1 Pontiac Fiero in the early 1990's while working for a large Chev./Pontiac/BMW/Mercedes/GMC/Cadillac/Mazda/Jaguar dealership pairing across the street from each other... A 5-speed V6 1988 model GT that I never had enough seat time in to understand it driving characteristics which drove me to further curiosity whether I could come to understand it and harness it... always wondered whether I could have mastered its handling characteristics... If it had only been produced long enough - a year or two - to see ABS braking followed by stability control and the more potent supercharged Pontiac V6 or turbocharged Buick V6 power plants that were already a drop-in power plant at the time the vehicle ceased production
They will not last long going to a pay service. Many other channels out there that do it for free. These guys are good but not that good. But hey, if you think it is worth paying, go for it. They have a right to make money and I have a right not to buy. Only fools do not use some kind of ad blocking software.
Well those "fools" are keeping YT free for those of us who can't be bothered to watch ads. I will admit I use adblock but if everyone used it YT would be forced to get around ad blocking software and then charge a monthly fee for no ads.
Jonathon Estevez
UA-cam is a multi billion dollar corporation, do you think I care? Google is making so much money, they do not have to even have ads. Even if they went around the ad blocking software someone else would still find a way to block it. We do not need big corporations to control the internet. Long live Adblocker Plus! If you are trying to make a living making videos on UA-cam, then you need to get off your lazy butt and get a real job or open your own business. People think that they throw a bunch of videos up on UA-cam, they should be able to make a living. Sounds like the lazy way out to me. Kudos if you can, but not my problem.
0:40 TRACK DAY BRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a mint 87 Fiero GT Fastback. I hear that all the time.
I really believe that GM deliberately short circuited the Fiero’s development
And eventually axed the model line
Aw man. I loved my Fiero! To bad I had to grow up and get a bigger car. Stupid kids.
I want one but I would like to try swapping in an Aluminum ECOTECH 2.4 into it.
Optional turbo. That would give it more power than the 2.8 V6 that was available while keeping it fairly balanced and inline with it's original design dynamic.
I have scene all kinds of engine swaps on these cars. The 3.4 is interesting because it is a forgotten engine. GM Made the 3.4 to compete with Fords SHO back in the day but it suffered some quirks initially and none of the cars they put it in ever beat the Taurus in performance or sales. Not a bad engine just not enough for a Lumina. Probably awesome in a Fiero.
GM didn't have a transaxel that could handle the full potential of the 3.4 doch motor so they detuned it to 220 or so . That motor had a lot more potential for HP and Torque .
What? I only watch The Smoking Tire. Dude is just so likeable. He's that ugly guy that gets all the great women. . . . and cars. My hero.
Tuned?
Track day, bro?
Track day no!
splewy
Track day NO!
RegularCars
That moment when you see your favorite youtubers commenting on other videos you watch. :D
splewy
Yayyyyyyy
Sorry Matt, but you are wrong! We Fiero owner get that phrase..."Wow, what a nice Fiero!" vurtually every time we take it out on a trip! If folks don't know what it is, they say "what a nice car" and ask if it's a Ferrari or something. Please educate yourself on the true facts of this little car, and you will realize that it is a "good" well made car with a few cheap suspension parts placed in it by GM to sell cheaply as a commuter car, instead of what it was originally designed for. So, it becomes a pretty simple thing to up-grade the suspension, Eibach lowering springs, KYB or Koni shocks, C-4 & 5 brakes, poly bushing, etc., then swap a DOHC V-6, or a 3800sc in it to bring it up to what it was designed to be. Small block V-8's are common because they were designed to receive one as an option. If you go on you tube you will see them blow away many of their competition, like much higher hp Mustangs, Vettes and the like. 12-second quarters are common, and 10 and under with some tweaking. They perform good on the auto-cross because they were made to, until GM stuck cheap parts in the suspension. As far as looks, they are hard to beat even by present day standards, when detailed out and lowered to the proper height. I have only $6k invested in my GT and it gives me more attention than any Porche, Vette, or Alpha Romeo, etc., and it will out preform them too. I run a 3800sc with 270hp, Getrag 5-speed tranny with a RAM high performance clutch, Eibach lowering springs, KYB shocks, poly bushings throughout. Also, I know there is plenty of room for you in a Fiero, because my 6"- 7" friend fits okay. Those racing seats in Steve Snyder's car probably put you to close to the dash.
cool! still don't have Drive Plus, it was not available in my country but i'll check that again later. or just but them in vimeo was it?
So awesome... except for the Motegi wheels that are found in your local Tire Warehouse...
Obligatory RCR "Track Day Bro" shirt.
Why the fuck did the guy call him a psycho?!?!
the Fiero was a good start for someone that had a low budget and wanted something that handled. yo9u can squeeze much more out of the six and get some serious hp more in the 4 to 500 with some help of a hair drier.. it's pontiac'sm Edsel! LOL
epiccc!!!! but needs more boost
Matt, what happened to the tuned reviews? Will it come back?
I sincerity wish that the old smoking tire could come back. Unfortunately this video speaks it self. What's that "thing on wheels"? Please, give us a break and present classy stuff.
It's also revealing that Chris has left the project and it's a huge drawback. Please guys, stop for a while and bring those great works we all loved to see, share and comment. We all will be here for you, I'm sure. Till there I'm about to close my subscription and it's so because I always had a great time enjoying your work.
scotie690 Chris pulled a bitch move. Most of the Drive team found out through twitter when he was leaving. He was one of the board members that voted to go to the subscription model of Drive+. So to vote for Drive+ and then leave with no warning to the team is a bit shaddy and sad
***** Thanks for that info.
In that case I agree with you, Chris was selfish. When we work with a team and grow with them getting out with no warning is not the best move. I sincerely wish that things go back as used to be, despite knowing that the group is separating.
Should have sole the 3.4 and bought a 3800. Waaaaay more aftermarket for that engine.