Utah has two Pro teams and is supporting them well. Doubling up is a curious thing but they also have been growing rapidly as people are leaving California. Sacramento still should have its MLS team.
The reason Delta/Insert Suckers Name Here Center will likely get replaced is because it’s like Phoenix or Brooklyn. None were really built for hockey, all have tried to host hockey, none stuck. Salt Lake City is the target for the 2034 Winter Olympics. The NHL is more finicky about wanting their players in a larger arena for an Olympics than in 2002 (Maverik Center). So the arena plan is probably as set in stone as the chances for their Olympic bid, which is probably 90% or more now because the IOC reengineered their award process and are solely bargaining with Utah and SLC and USOC. This does NOT mean an NHL franchise is guaranteed, and I have doubts that co-existence with the Jazz is the best plan. However, I can also see a scenario where the Jazz leave in conjunction with- or because of- an NHL club arriving.
The new team in Salt Lake City would be called the Utah Stingers and would be in the American League West division of Major League Baseball while the new NHL expansion team would be called the Utah Grizzlies where they would move from the Eastern Coast Hockey League to the National Hockey League and would play in Western Conference and the Central Division with the Colorado Avalanche
You live in Sacramento and making these videos during a critical time where Sacramento is contending with Salt Lake for the A's, it's a little hard for you not to be bias. Sacramento almost LOST their NBA team a few years ago
That wasn't on Sacramento, that was on the Maloof Brothers, two of the most incompetent individuals ever. If they had bought the Jazz and not the Kings, the same story would have played there.
@@thetouchbackJohn Fisher is equally as incompetent. What went on in Sac is basically the exact same thing that has been happening to the A’s. “The city sucks” and “no one cares about the team” are common cop outs made by people casual to the situation, same as what was being said about loyal Kings fans. The kings ownership never blackballed fans out of attending games though. Nonetheless Oakland, unlike Sacramento, wont have a former player come in at the 11th hour as mayor and save the franchise.
Exactly that’s why I see Salt Lake City getting NHL, MLB and NFL teams in the near future. The Vancouver Canucks and San Francisco 49ers can fill in the NHL and NFL spots and MLB will be an expansion team.
i would say that yes utah can stay loyal. and the reason for that is yes we have never been painfully bad BUT we have had a lot of upsets through out the years and haven’t been to the finals in almost 30 years. and a lot of upsets in the playoffs but we still hang on to that. another thing is we did support them through that god awful rebrand witch isn’t a huge thing but i would say it’s enough for us to stay loyal cuz maybe some fans from others wouldn’t. if you ask anyone in the salt lake area they are most likely a jazz fan. and if you meet some of the die hard fans they are all in for it
I think North Carolina is definitely the top location for MLB. It makes too much sense in terms of major media markets and the lack of a team in the mid-Atlantic (Washington D.C. to Atlanta is a huge gap). I wouldn't have an issue with either Raleigh or Charlotte as both are fine pro sports towns. My only request is that any NC baseball team includes Petey Pablo 'Raise Up' somewhere as part of a ballpark tradition.
I'm from Raleigh ... Raleigh won't even be apart of the discussion and if Nashville get's the green light Charlottee will get shot down immediately but even Charlottee and Nashville are both essentially Tampa and TN NC GA all having teams has already proven to be a horrible idea with the NBA and NFL where ATL used to have top half of the league teams in terms of fan support in both the NFL and NBA before TN and NC got teams they won't trade 1 great franchise for 3 that will be bottom dwellers there's not enough interest in Southeast to have that many pro teams
@@ddcs0s So am I. Raleigh already has a billionaire backer to fund the MLB expansion and the area is huge for baseball, it’s crazy to say that Raleigh wouldn’t support, they’ve supported the Hurricanes immensely.
@@thetouchback It’s funny that you frame it that way while RSNs are dying. North Carolina doesn’t have a Nashville as a bright center of the state, but have two semi-viable markets in a region with more population draw than Nashville would have. However, funding mechanisms are in the process of changing and the only thing we can assume is that a greater freedom of choice (streaming TV) means less money for sports networks. If anything, expansion should- and probably will- get squashed until there’s more clarity.
While i fully agree with you in terms of your discussion of fans support of losing teams, I'm not sure I agree with using the Utes collegiate basketball team as an example. Look, there are NBA fans that would compete with NHL fans, there are also baseball fans that would compete with soccer fans. So when you say SLC could support one more pro franchise but not two, it really lacks taking into account sporting events happening at a given time of year. just something to consider. I'm NOT a hockey fan at all. But I wasn't a soccer fan for the first 4 years of Real Salt Lake. After attending a couple games (the stadium is 2 miles from my residence) I became a diehard fan. Strange right?
Advice to Utah: 1. Very smart to try to get the A's, even for a few years. 2. Selling the smokestack look is as dopey as a MLM scheme in your valley. Nobody is buying it. 3. Keep the stadium very small bc Utah is NOT a baseball state.
ESPN recently dissected all of the expansion candidates. And said there is no way Nashville and any other NC city is getting an expansion team. One of them might. But not both.
Much of southern Utah is far closer to Las Vegas than it is Salt lake City. Example St. George is 119 miles from Las Vegas 300 miles from Salt Lake City. If both Vegas and SLC had major league teams how many fans would consistently opt for a 300 mile vs a 119 drive? Teams would have to primarily rely on the Salt Lake City Market and it's not that large, the rest of the state is pretty spread out and remote.. I don't see it as enough to be consistently successful over a long 82 home game season such as MLB.
I think the fact Baseball is a different season from NBA and NHL it will work fine. I believe both the Jazz and hockey will go hand in hand. Plenty of hockey fans not necessarily Jazz fans will become the solid core for hockey and there will be a good size crossover fans from both teams, not to mention a whole new hockey fan. Both will be fine but true, they cannot be cellar dwellers. Jazz are not very good right now but still selling out, which means they believe Smith must have a master plan. IMO, major league baseball is long overdue in Salt Lake, there just hasn't been any group step forward to do it until now. I think a Salt Lake MLB team could at least average somewhere in the middle of the MLB. Hopefully the stadium seats have cover overhead, sitting in 100+ degree sun pounding you for 9 innings will keep people away. Probably won't effect night game attendance. Yeah, MLS Real Salt Lake has their solid fan base, the franchise needs to win again.
I think Utah fans stand by their team when losing no matter what, but with Kyle Whittingham, many people were apart of the #FireWhitt movement when the team was mediocre in the mid 2010’s Sounds like a fanbase who would be loyal to the team but hostile to certain individuals when bad (other words, like Leeds). The problem with SLC is that it may not have the cooperate backing to support 4-5 franchises.
When I first got into soccer, one of the teams I was drawn to was Leeds United. For whatever reason, I really enjoyed watching Alan Smith. Anyway, I'll never forget watching the game where they were relegated in 2003 at Bolton and seeing the away fans still there supporting them while the players were genuinely sad to have let them down.
You missed the best stadiums in Utah. That being 40 miles to the south... BYU... The Utah Jazz fan base is from the entire state, YES that means BYU as well. Utah fans are very faithful, if the last 2 years hasn't proven that, you don't know Utah fans... We went from one of the best teams in league to trading away all of our starters and star players, yet the Delta Center is still full every game.
@@thetouchback I have been a Jazz fan since the day they came to Utah. I am a bit older than you and I have seen all of the good, mediocre and bad years.
Provo Girl! Salt Lake City does have a non-Mormon growth element. Doesn’t mean the NFL wouldn’t have issues, but changes have happened. As for the first two words of this post, look up Wasatch Brewing and know that this was originally St. Provo Girl, a little spin on St. Pauli Girl. Not sure Polygamy Porter is still around…
you made the same mistake about Buffalo. the southern ontario is part of the buffalo market it contain the 3rd largest cityin North America Toronto 10 million people
Got the nhl -yes. Perfect fit for az. yotes that could rid the nhl of that clusterfk in the az. desert and put them in a city like slc with willing owner, arena 444's coming, and a fan base. slc can deliver everything az. can't and can remain in the central division with av's nearby rival.
I lived in Utah for a short while. Didn’t see any evidence of interest in baseball. If you’re going to new city with questionable interest you gotta have a huge population which salt lake doesn’t have
As you told the Utahans, don't take this the wrong way. It is not how it is intended. Obviously, you are a Sacramento Homer. Putting down one city to boost up you own. That is what a lot of people do. Just admit it.
Move the Chargers to Salt Lake City, l don't want another scenario where a city has NBA, MLS and maybe one day MLB and NHL, but no NFL just like Los Angeles from 1995-2015.
The college football is too big there. I don’t hear any talk about wanting NFL from family and friends there. They support UofU, BYU, and lesser extent USU.
I just doubt SLC has the ability to cooperately support 5 teams, let alone anymore than 3 (MLS, NBA, NHL) Look at Winnipeg. I think that’s SLC but with them not being able to support a 4th team of 4.
Utah realistically would be not great as a baseball city. Nashville and Vegas are going to be the expansion sites. Oakland isn’t going anywhere without a nasty fight. If they do move, Utah is probably more likely than Vegas at this point. I think Fischer would sell before that becomes a reality.
I can tell you with 100% certainty that Utah can support more pro sports teams
Utah has two Pro teams and is supporting them well. Doubling up is a curious thing but they also have been growing rapidly as people are leaving California.
Sacramento still should have its MLS team.
Dude in 2013 when RSL lost in final it broke every ones heart
But we forgot all about that by winning the MSL Cup against LA Galaxy a few just a few years later.
@@GuyIn801 That was a few years prior.
The root beer store is literally awesome
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. As awesome as butter.
The reason Delta/Insert Suckers Name Here Center will likely get replaced is because it’s like Phoenix or Brooklyn. None were really built for hockey, all have tried to host hockey, none stuck.
Salt Lake City is the target for the 2034 Winter Olympics. The NHL is more finicky about wanting their players in a larger arena for an Olympics than in 2002 (Maverik Center). So the arena plan is probably as set in stone as the chances for their Olympic bid, which is probably 90% or more now because the IOC reengineered their award process and are solely bargaining with Utah and SLC and USOC. This does NOT mean an NHL franchise is guaranteed, and I have doubts that co-existence with the Jazz is the best plan. However, I can also see a scenario where the Jazz leave in conjunction with- or because of- an NHL club arriving.
Unrelated to the video but the thumbnail is fire on this video. Million view video essay tier.
Many thanks. This is one of the rare times when what I planned in my head actually came out looking good.
The new team in Salt Lake City would be called the Utah Stingers and would be in the American League West division of Major League Baseball while the new NHL expansion team would be called the Utah Grizzlies where they would move from the Eastern Coast Hockey League to the National Hockey League and would play in Western Conference and the Central Division with the Colorado Avalanche
You live in Sacramento and making these videos during a critical time where Sacramento is contending with Salt Lake for the A's, it's a little hard for you not to be bias. Sacramento almost LOST their NBA team a few years ago
That wasn't on Sacramento, that was on the Maloof Brothers, two of the most incompetent individuals ever. If they had bought the Jazz and not the Kings, the same story would have played there.
@@thetouchbackJohn Fisher is equally as incompetent. What went on in Sac is basically the exact same thing that has been happening to the A’s. “The city sucks” and “no one cares about the team” are common cop outs made by people casual to the situation, same as what was being said about loyal Kings fans. The kings ownership never blackballed fans out of attending games though. Nonetheless Oakland, unlike Sacramento, wont have a former player come in at the 11th hour as mayor and save the franchise.
Excited for both tbh.. but id trade them both for an NFL team. Salt Lake County / metro area is like 2 mil easily can support pro teams
Exactly that’s why I see Salt Lake City getting NHL, MLB and NFL teams in the near future. The Vancouver Canucks and San Francisco 49ers can fill in the NHL and NFL spots and MLB will be an expansion team.
@@Itshadow306 would be dope fr.
@@Itshadow306 What’s this about the Canucks and 49ers?
Fun fact the Athletics might move to Utah before the stadium in Vegas in ready if they move there
Truth check if I may, we don't want the A's unless they are for sale.
That racist state isn’t getting the athletics. Who wants to live in Utah, especially pro athletes.
i would say that yes utah can stay loyal. and the reason for that is yes we have never been painfully bad BUT we have had a lot of upsets through out the years and haven’t been to the finals in almost 30 years. and a lot of upsets in the playoffs but we still hang on to that. another thing is we did support them through that god awful rebrand witch isn’t a huge thing but i would say it’s enough for us to stay loyal cuz maybe some fans from others wouldn’t. if you ask anyone in the salt lake area they are most likely a jazz fan. and if you meet some of the die hard fans they are all in for it
Have to count part of Ontario when accounting for Buffalo.
Utah already has the NBA's Utah Jazz, so I'd say it could support other major professional sports leagues too
They also have a MLS team too
@@dreamcage1801 Oh yes, they have Real Salt Lake too
What’s your thoughts on Raleigh NC for MLB?
I think North Carolina is definitely the top location for MLB. It makes too much sense in terms of major media markets and the lack of a team in the mid-Atlantic (Washington D.C. to Atlanta is a huge gap).
I wouldn't have an issue with either Raleigh or Charlotte as both are fine pro sports towns. My only request is that any NC baseball team includes Petey Pablo 'Raise Up' somewhere as part of a ballpark tradition.
@@thetouchback it definitely would have to include “Raise Up” since the Canes do it too. Thanks for the response.
I'm from Raleigh ... Raleigh won't even be apart of the discussion and if Nashville get's the green light Charlottee will get shot down immediately but even Charlottee and Nashville are both essentially Tampa and TN NC GA all having teams has already proven to be a horrible idea with the NBA and NFL where ATL used to have top half of the league teams in terms of fan support in both the NFL and NBA before TN and NC got teams they won't trade 1 great franchise for 3 that will be bottom dwellers there's not enough interest in Southeast to have that many pro teams
@@ddcs0s So am I. Raleigh already has a billionaire backer to fund the MLB expansion and the area is huge for baseball, it’s crazy to say that Raleigh wouldn’t support, they’ve supported the Hurricanes immensely.
@@thetouchback It’s funny that you frame it that way while RSNs are dying. North Carolina doesn’t have a Nashville as a bright center of the state, but have two semi-viable markets in a region with more population draw than Nashville would have. However, funding mechanisms are in the process of changing and the only thing we can assume is that a greater freedom of choice (streaming TV) means less money for sports networks. If anything, expansion should- and probably will- get squashed until there’s more clarity.
While i fully agree with you in terms of your discussion of fans support of losing teams, I'm not sure I agree with using the Utes collegiate basketball team as an example. Look, there are NBA fans that would compete with NHL fans, there are also baseball fans that would compete with soccer fans. So when you say SLC could support one more pro franchise but not two, it really lacks taking into account sporting events happening at a given time of year. just something to consider. I'm NOT a hockey fan at all. But I wasn't a soccer fan for the first 4 years of Real Salt Lake. After attending a couple games (the stadium is 2 miles from my residence) I became a diehard fan. Strange right?
It’s not Vivint arena ?
Not anymore, It changed back to the Delta Center again recently.
SAYING THAT BYU (THE MORMON TEAM) is not an Utah Team is blasphemous
Advice to Utah: 1. Very smart to try to get the A's, even for a few years. 2. Selling the smokestack look is as dopey as a MLM scheme in your valley. Nobody is buying it. 3. Keep the stadium very small bc Utah is NOT a baseball state.
What's wrong Steve, is nobody talking about your hometown?
They have plan for future rather than Fisher and A’s have Vaga ideas for Vegas !
i think the mlb needs to expand in the south more than anything. raleigh and nashville. utah would be cool in the nhl tho.
ESPN recently dissected all of the expansion candidates. And said there is no way Nashville and any other NC city is getting an expansion team. One of them might. But not both.
Much of southern Utah is far closer to Las Vegas than it is Salt lake City. Example St. George is 119 miles from Las Vegas 300 miles from Salt Lake City. If both Vegas and SLC had major league teams how many fans would consistently opt for a 300 mile vs a 119 drive? Teams would have to primarily rely on the Salt Lake City Market and it's not that large, the rest of the state is pretty spread out and remote.. I don't see it as enough to be consistently successful over a long 82 home game season such as MLB.
A stand alone nhl venue will be built for the Olympics. Believe that.
It's good enough for ONE franchise. I don't know which league Utah fans would prefer more, but I'd choose the MLB simply for home runs
I think the fact Baseball is a different season from NBA and NHL it will work fine. I believe both the Jazz and hockey will go hand in hand. Plenty of hockey fans not necessarily Jazz fans will become the solid core for hockey and there will be a good size crossover fans from both teams, not to mention a whole new hockey fan. Both will be fine but true, they cannot be cellar dwellers. Jazz are not very good right now but still selling out, which means they believe Smith must have a master plan. IMO, major league baseball is long overdue in Salt Lake, there just hasn't been any group step forward to do it until now. I think a Salt Lake MLB team could at least average somewhere in the middle of the MLB. Hopefully the stadium seats have cover overhead, sitting in 100+ degree sun pounding you for 9 innings will keep people away. Probably won't effect night game attendance. Yeah, MLS Real Salt Lake has their solid fan base, the franchise needs to win again.
I think Utah fans stand by their team when losing no matter what, but with Kyle Whittingham, many people were apart of the #FireWhitt movement when the team was mediocre in the mid 2010’s
Sounds like a fanbase who would be loyal to the team but hostile to certain individuals when bad (other words, like Leeds). The problem with SLC is that it may not have the cooperate backing to support 4-5 franchises.
When I first got into soccer, one of the teams I was drawn to was Leeds United. For whatever reason, I really enjoyed watching Alan Smith. Anyway, I'll never forget watching the game where they were relegated in 2003 at Bolton and seeing the away fans still there supporting them while the players were genuinely sad to have let them down.
You missed the best stadiums in Utah. That being 40 miles to the south... BYU... The Utah Jazz fan base is from the entire state, YES that means BYU as well. Utah fans are very faithful, if the last 2 years hasn't proven that, you don't know Utah fans... We went from one of the best teams in league to trading away all of our starters and star players, yet the Delta Center is still full every game.
Two years of mediocre basketball is nothing. The fact you think those are tough times is telling.
@@thetouchback I have been a Jazz fan since the day they came to Utah. I am a bit older than you and I have seen all of the good, mediocre and bad years.
Curious how beer sales would be
They’d do fine.
Provo Girl!
Salt Lake City does have a non-Mormon growth element. Doesn’t mean the NFL wouldn’t have issues, but changes have happened.
As for the first two words of this post, look up Wasatch Brewing and know that this was originally St. Provo Girl, a little spin on St. Pauli Girl. Not sure Polygamy Porter is still around…
They have NBA
you made the same mistake about Buffalo. the southern ontario is part of the buffalo market it contain the 3rd largest cityin North America Toronto 10 million people
Could Utah also support an NFL franchise too?
yup but there gonna go to Orlando and st louis
There is no doubt they could support a NHL team.
Got the nhl -yes. Perfect fit for az. yotes that could rid the nhl of that clusterfk in the az. desert and put them in a city like slc with willing owner, arena 444's coming, and a fan base. slc can deliver everything az. can't and can remain in the central division with av's nearby rival.
Jets can move to san diego
I grew up in Utah and I really think Utah could support MLB really well. I am less confident about hockey.
I lived in Utah for a short while. Didn’t see any evidence of interest in baseball. If you’re going to new city with questionable interest you gotta have a huge population which salt lake doesn’t have
Don’t worry about the people from Utah hating you, if you aren’t Mormon they already do
We are not major league readya we NFL ready
The NFL seemingly has no interest expanding.
As you told the Utahans, don't take this the wrong way. It is not how it is intended. Obviously, you are a Sacramento Homer. Putting down one city to boost up you own. That is what a lot of people do. Just admit it.
Move the Chargers to Salt Lake City, l don't want another scenario where a city has NBA, MLS and maybe one day MLB and NHL, but no NFL just like Los Angeles from 1995-2015.
The college football is too big there. I don’t hear any talk about wanting NFL from family and friends there. They support UofU, BYU, and lesser extent USU.
I just doubt SLC has the ability to cooperately support 5 teams, let alone anymore than 3 (MLS, NBA, NHL)
Look at Winnipeg. I think that’s SLC but with them not being able to support a 4th team of 4.
Many would love NFL in SLC, but once LV got the Raiders and with Colorado so close, it isn't going to happen. Go Utes!
No more moving teams. Promotion and relegation or GTFO.
Not happening. Chargers are locked into their lease for a long time.
As a Utahn, I feel like an NHL or MLB team would be really popular for a few years, and then I think it would wane. I think it’s a bad idea.
The answer is NO
Who knew Utah was a socialst state? 1.8 billion in public finds to subsidize NHL/MLB.
900 mil from tourists for MLb the other 900 mil over the course of 30 years and only in a zone with out a lot mom and pops or rez homes
Utah realistically would be not great as a baseball city. Nashville and Vegas are going to be the expansion sites. Oakland isn’t going anywhere without a nasty fight. If they do move, Utah is probably more likely than Vegas at this point. I think Fischer would sell before that becomes a reality.
Norfolk, Newport News, Virginia Beach, Hampton and Portsmouth for NHL. Call it Tidewater or Hampton Roads......they will pack the building.
Oakland is a far better city for each and every pro league to expand
San Diego is good as well