@@JJ-HimselfThe issue is that it seems like Hartford itself is not interested in hosting a new franchise sadly. I mean, a lot of people in that area seems to have picked up from the Bruins since then, while also it seems like Connecticut just don’t care to waste resources like that right now.
@@JJ-Himself Why don’t add Baltimore, Maryland, Cincinnati, Ohio, Cleveland, Ohio, Indianapolis, Indiana, New Orleans, Louisiana, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, San Antonio, Texas, San Diego, California and Birmingham, Alabama to the list of cities that would join the NHL as expansion franchises teams
I see Atlanta as a frontrunner because the developer already has a proposal development in the works. It gets built only on the condition an NHL team is officially coming. Now that Ryan Smith formally announced he wants to start the process of bidding for an expansion team, Salt Lake City is the other likely candidate to get one.
Honestly, Salt Lake City might not even try to get an expansion franchise. The likely owner of the Salt Lake City franchise (who also owns the Utah Jazz) seems to be also willing to take on the Arizona Coyotes in a relocation move. It just depends on really where the ownership sees things
What I don’t know is why everyone keeps saying Bettman hates Canada. He and owners introduced revenue/profit sharing 20 years ago when the Canadian dollar was extremely weak and Ottawa, Calgary and even Edmonton had fears of losing their teams. Bettman works for the 32 owners not the other way around so he’s the scapegoat for all things hate about the NHL. Plus 7 of his bosses are in Canada and 42% of the NHLPA members are Canadian… if he hated Canada he would have been fired decades ago. Quebec is small and challenged and Quebec City supported their team in the 80s and early 90s but hey left when Marcel Aubut started to see losses and needed a new arena to hike revenue and prevent losses. Look at Winnipeg right now… top 3 team in the NHL but 2500 empty seats per game and in the second smallest arena in the NHL next only to Mullet arena. Winnipeg has 3rd attendance LOWEST by percentage at 82% only ahead of San Jose and tied with Buffalo. As for franchise appreciation Winnipeg ranked 32nd in evaluation increase of just 15% … Seattle has appreciated more in just 3 years. What Quebec needs are deep pockets willing to risk $$ after the honeymoon stage is over (10 years later) and maybe Peladeau and Quebecor will step up… they haven’t yet but maybe soon.
NO San Diego??? 3.2M pop only 1 Big Four team currently in the market. AHL Gulls is one of the top attended teams. A new Arena is going to break ground in early 2025
Let's be real. Toronto as a metro can fucking support a 2nd team. Easily. New York has 3 basically. Los Angeles essentially had 2 teams. Houston maybe. Atlanta meh. Kansas City has an arena ready to go. So does Quebec City.
Portland has the MODA center. Milwaukee has Fiserv Forum. Quebec City has the videotron Centre. Houston has the toyota center but...why another southern market that hates hockey? Didn't atlanta and phoenix fail BADLY ENOUGH??? SLC is small. It would be second smallest market in US after Buffalo...PORTLAND OR MILWAUKEE would be infinitely smarter options.
I would like to see the NHL return to Kansas City. The NHL Scouts used to be in Kansas City in Kemper Arena. Kansas City is making a huge impact in professional sports with the success of the NFL Patrick Mahomes, and with the World Cup scheduled for Kansas City, as well, I feel Kansaa City is perfect opportunity for an NHL expansion team.
On April 15, 2027, Houston Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta will purchase the Minnesota Wild from Craig Leipold for $1.96 billion, including a relocation fee of $195 million to relocate the Wild to Houston. On April 15, 2027, the NHL Board of Governors will approve both the sale and relocation of the Wild to Houston in a unanimous vote. After 27 years in Saint Paul, the Wild will relocate to Houston, change their name to the Houston Outlaws, and play at Toyota Center in the 2027-28 NHL season.
The Coyotes have been relocated to Salt Lake City, Utah and will become either the Utah Rockies, Utah Cougars, Utah Grizzlies or Utah Golden Eagles, You going to have to pick another city like Indianapolis, Indiana, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Kansas City, Missouri, New Orleans, Louisiana, Cleveland, Ohio, Cincinnati, Ohio and Birmingham, Alabama for an NHL Expansion Team when you do another video on UA-cam
Atlanta failed twice! No more for them. Give Quebec city another shot. Oh, who am I kidding, Bettman won't let Canada get another team. He hates Canada. RAT!
Last I check Bettman has 32 bosses and if those bosses want Quebec City then Bettman nods his head. He is paid to be the whipping boy of the 32 owners and no one is bitching to the owner only Bettman so Bettman keeps his job.
Hey, NBA gave Chicago a 3rd shot with the Bulls so why not give ATL a 3rd shot at NHL. Like it or not, NHL back to ATL is happening. Since 2011, ATL area population has grown 1.6million and still exploding in growth. The new 18k+ capacity stadium project on the north side suburbs (The Gathering) is moving ahead nicely & as planned. The land has been cleared and the construction will begin in Fall 2024. I predict it will be announced in 2025 and the full return for a new team in ATL area will take place in 2026 or 2027
Exactly and I 100% agree! if The Gathering gets fully approved (which I think it's close to it) and they started building, it will then only be a matter of time before Atlanta gets another whether if people like it or not. Atlanta is such a big market to ignore and the fact they are planning to build and have their own arena is a step in the right direction than compared to Flames and Thrashers history
Houston is a bigger market than Atlanta so by your logic Houston would be the better location for the NHL. I Agree. Houston deserves a team before Atlanta (Atlanta has PROVEN they will fail).
@@sampicano and according to you line of logic, Chicago never should have gotten a third NBA team because Chicago has PROVEN they would fail if they got a third NBA team....Chicago's third NBA team was the Bulls and have been there ever since...smh
@@cameronvandevelde4186 You: "Atlanta is such a big market to ignore" Me: By that logic, the biggest market without a team is Houston - therefore Houston would be a better than Atlanta. You: "according to you line of logic, Chicago never should have gotten a third NBA team because Chicago has PROVEN they would fail if they got a third NBA team" How low is your IQ? What you just did is called a strawman argument. "Strawman Fallacy: A straw man fallacy occurs when someone distorts or exaggerates another person’s argument, and then attacks the distorted version of the argument instead of genuinely engaging." You think Atlanta is too large a market to ignore, but they have less people than Houston. So I said Houston with 7.1 million people would work better than Atlanta and it's 5.5 million. Both terrible hockey markets, one has failed twice and has far less people than the other city. You responded...."according to you line of logic, Chicago never should have gotten a third NBA team because Chicago has PROVEN they would fail" That's a frighteningly stupid thing to say. I NEVER mentioned Chicago. Or the NBA. EVERYBODY KNOWS BASKETBALL WOULD WORK IN CHICAGO. Chicago is the THIRD LARGEST CITY IN THE US AND LOVES BASKETBALL LMAO EVERYBODY KNOWS HOCKEY WOULD FAIL IN ATLANTA Atlanta HATES HOCKEY...
@sampicano What are you talking about check your facts first before you make stupid comments ! South carolina Stingrays - ECHL Jacksonville Ice Men - ECHL salt Lake City - no Minor League San Antonio Rampage - AHL
@@joeytb3901 so I said they don't even have any AHL teams...and you named a bunch of ECHL teams....so I'm right you are wrong. Also SLC has an ECHL team just to prove how much more I know than you...Utah Grizzlies (play at the Maverick center) San Antonio Rampage relocated to henderson, nevada. Bro if you know NOTHING, keep your mouth shut? EVERYTHING I SAID....ABOUT SOUTH CAROLINA AND JACKSONVILLE BEING TERRIBLE LOCATIONS IS TRUE.. ALSO THEY DONT HAVE AHL TEAMS...THE ECHL IS NOT THE AHL YOU DUMMY...so I'm right again, you're wrong AGAIN
@@joeytb3901 You basically named some of the worst hockey markets in the united states. I bet you think New Orleans would be a good location for an NHL team too. Or Orlando. Because there are GOOD locations with HOCKEY HISTORY and NHL READY arenas (Milwaukee, Portland, Cleveland, Quebec City, Hamilton, San Diego and Houston are options if you want to expand South)....and then there are the dumb places you just named...Charleston, Jacksonville, San Antonio LMAO.... Salt Lake City is okay. Utah Jazz owner has expressed interest, and the Maverick Center would be okay, but SLC would be the second smallest market in the US after Buffalo - why would ANYONE choose SLC over Milwaukee, or Houston in the Central division? What you proposed is extremely poorly thought out.
@sampicano ....... Your argument is pointless. You did not even know there were minor league hockey teams in those cities. get your facts straight, and people would love to have hockey teams in those cities I mentioned. Imagine having the Carolina Hurricanes VS. Charleston Stingrays, which is the Washington Capitals Minors Or how about the Las Vegas Golden Knights ......Golden Knights stupid !
The minute you said Hamilton... you lost ALL credibility....... .Toronto and Buffalo have blocked this as it would eat into existing fan bases and both franchises have worked for it to NEVER happen... It was bad enough you said Atlanta.. which would be strike 3 for them .. yes a large TV market.. but no interest from their fans. Milwaukee makes more sense Houston would be a good one and Salt Lake would be good as it fills the arena on none NBA nights. Quebec Nordiques (learn to pronounce it too) sounds great.... but there is long shot
A team in Hamilton WOULD generate more revenue than the Sabres. Hamilton is the second largest city in Canada without an NHL team (after Quebec City), they have an NHL ready arena AND THE GTA IS THE SINGLE BEST LOCATION FOR AN NHL TEAM. So you just lost all credibility - and I don't think Hamilton should get an expansion team either. But give your head a shake lol...Sabres will relocate eventually LMFAO 🤣
@@donaldjgumpofficial5754 ATLANTA THRASHERS ATTENDACES: - The Atlanta Thrashers and Flames attendances were BAD....do not let anyone lie to you and tell you otherwise 2011 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance (13,469) 2010 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance (13,607) 2009 - 29th/30 teams in NHL attendance (14,626) 2008 - 22nd/30 teams in NHL attendance (15,831) 2007 - 21st/30 teams in NHL attendance (16,240) - the inaugural season (1999) was the best attended season for Atlanta - it is NEVER a good sign when your first year is the most successful -the attendance just dropped off after that - 2007 was the Thrashers SECOND best season ever in attendance with a truly pathetic 16,240....(only good enough for 21st in the NHL that year) - 2007 was also Atlanta's most successful year in the league losing in the Eastern Conference Quarter Finals - Atlanta Thrashers second BEST was only good enough for 21st in the NHL in 2007 - IMAGINE being in a race, and you're finishing 29/30, 28/30, 22/30, 21st place out of 30 runners is considered good in your mind???? Atlanta was a complete joke. The attendances were truly pathetic. 2011 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance 2010 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance 2009 - 29th/30 teams in NHL attendance 2008 - 22nd/30 teams in NHL attendance 2007 - 21st/30 teams in NHL attendance - Atlanta Thrashers second BEST attended season (16,240) would be 26th in today's NHL Nothing about Atlanta says "success story"
ATLANTA THRASHERS ATTENDACES: - The Atlanta Thrashers and Flames attendances were BAD....do not let anyone lie to you and tell you otherwise 2011 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance (13,469) 2010 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance (13,607) 2009 - 29th/30 teams in NHL attendance (14,626) 2008 - 22nd/30 teams in NHL attendance (15,831) 2007 - 21st/30 teams in NHL attendance (16,240) - the inaugural season (1999) was the best attended season for Atlanta - it is NEVER a good sign when your first year is the most successful -the attendance just dropped off after that - 2007 was the Thrashers SECOND best season ever in attendance with a truly pathetic 16,240....(only good enough for 21st in the NHL that year) - 2007 was also Atlanta's most successful year in the league losing in the Eastern Conference Quarter Finals - Atlanta Thrashers second BEST was only good enough for 21st in the NHL in 2007 - IMAGINE being in a race, and you're finishing 29/30, 28/30, 22/30, 21st place out of 30 runners is considered good in your mind???? Atlanta was a complete joke. The attendances were truly pathetic. 2011 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance 2010 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance 2009 - 29th/30 teams in NHL attendance 2008 - 22nd/30 teams in NHL attendance 2007 - 21st/30 teams in NHL attendance - Atlanta Thrashers second BEST attended season (16,240) would be 26th in today's NHL Nothing about Atlanta says "success story"
Bettman’s MO is to grow the game in communities that currently aren’t interested. So any options in Canada are out. SLC is out, Milwaukee is out. Atlanta has given the NHL PTSD, KC and Houston are the only ones that fit that MO.
haha maybe. I like that name for the ECHL. if Atlanta gets another team, it will more than likely be the Thrashers again but if for whatever reason that doesn't work / can't use it, I think this will be a cool team name: Georgia Raptors! why? one of Georgia's known crytpids is the Georgia Raptor and is was believed to be a velociraptor...it's different but in a way, it still has the bird theme to professional teams in the state since the word Raptor means "Bird of Prey" and the location of where the new Atlanta team will play at is a good 45ish minutes away from downtown Atlanta so the Georgia (team name) makes the most sense if Thrashers can't be used
Most of these have no chance. Houston may, but it depends on the arena situation. Hamilton is just an excuse for a bad Maple Leafs franchise. Atlanta has had two shots; won't happen. Portland is too small. Milwaukee already has 3 major players, and likely cannot support a fourth. QC has less chance than Hamilton. SLC same as Milwaukee; not large enough to matter. Houston and KC might come in together, but it'll be a while -- unless owners are ready to throw money at them, and even then, the Arizona situation has to become solid.
How is Portland too small? Go on. Milwaukee, Portland are the TWO BEST locations in the states lmfao Quebec City would be the front runnef in Canada (or a second team in the GTA). Go on, explain why Portland is too small....
@@sampicano PDX is market size #25, and already has NBA. Milwaukee is #40. Portland would be better, but it isn't good enough. QC already had the Nordiques. There's a reason they left. In short, Houston is #5.
@@drumcatnau There's 32 teams...32 markets available...you see the 25th largest market as too small? Portland has the 23rd largest TV market not 25th I googled it - sandwiched between St. Louis and Raleigh-Durham (both cities with NHL teams). Milwaukee is arguably the best location in the United States to put an NHL team... - Wisconsin averaged 9,736 people per game in NCAA - basically always top 5. - Wisconsin has top ten hockey registration in USA - but only top 20 in population. - Wisconsin has an NHL ready arena (Fiserv Forum). - Wisconsin would have gographic rivalries with Minneapolis and Chicago. - Milwaukee is like 45 minutes from MADISON WISCONSIN (population 700,000). Milwaukee has over 1.5 million people - mostly hockey fans, and Madison has another 700k. Atlanta had 5.5 million people and STILL failed...they moved to Winnipeg (only 731,000 population) and INSTANTLY STARTED GENERATING REVENUE. The NHL is a revenue sharing league...5.5 million people in Atlanta...and 9.7 million in Georgia could not generate any money...but 731 thousand people in Winnipeg started generating revenue the moment they relocated to Winnipeg. Winnipeg sold out every game from 2010 to 2020 (until Covid) Phoenix and Atlanta NEVER sold out ONE GAME...Winnipeg sold out 41 home games a year...for ten years straight...with 700k people! That's the difference between a REAL hockey market - and Atlanta, or Phoenix, or Houston. Phoenix has 5 million people currently - and has lost $115.2 million from 2013 to 2023...similar to Atlanta, Phoenix NEVER GENERATED ANY REVENUE FOR THE LEAGUE....it doesn't matter that there's 5 million people... 5 million people not tuning in is still ZERO! Houston HAS NO HOCKEY FANS....7.1 million people doesn't MATTER LMAO Where's the hockey team in Houston???? AHL? ECHL? ANY TEAM AT ALL???? If Houston LOVES hockey so much why did the Aero's fail????? Where is the team??? They have nothing because it's the DEEP SOUTH. They like BBQ and Football. Start with a junior team, if you can attend an AHL game maybe you deserve an NHL team...but there is no support for hockey in Houston. Give hockey to Portland Oregon, Milwaukee Wisconsin or Quebec City (which is larger than Winnipeg).
@@sampicano Portland is too small because it's saturated for its market size. It already has heavy exposure to the Kraken. I can't help if you don't like the facts, but they don't change.
Not wanting to disappoint cities that really want to support hockey I believe that the NHL should have two levels. Something like in soccer an A and a B level. You would end up with 32 teams in Level A that play against each other for a place in the playoffs with the rest perhaps 16+ teams that play for a place in level A. The top 8 teams from level B replace the bottom teams in level A. This way no city is left out. If a city stays in level B too long and the fans start deserting the team then they can move or just fold.
In the decades 2030s Gary Bettman will retired. Later his son is going to be the new commissioner. And takes over the nhl. He will change the conference back the way it was just the nba. It will be easier who’s the standings of the nhl no more atlantic, north or pacific. It will be standings.
Houston - no NHL team, no AHL team, no ECHL team (if they like hockey so much in Houston (7.1 million) wouldn't they have a team? Mexico City also has a large population with ZERO hockey teams.) Kansas City - lost one NHL team (Kansas City Scouts), ECHL team (bottom 5 in attendance in the ECHL) where are the fans? Atlanta - lost two NHL teams (Atlanta Flames, Atlanta Mistakes), ECHL team averages 41.3% capacity (4,900 fans) - Georgia has some of the worst hockey registration numbers in North America (0.02% registered - 40th in USA out of 50) Quebec City - averages 9,726 per game (in QMJHL) that's more than Arizona Coyotes and their AHL affiliate Tucson Roadrunners combined - 8,225. And Quebec averages over 18,000 a game in the playoffs. Quebec City - population 839,311 (7th largest city in Canada - is larger than Winnipeg - 834,678) and Quebec is the last major population centre in canada still without a team (Hamilton and Mississauga can be considered part of GTA) Portland - has an NHL arena (MODA), has a well supported WHL team "Winterhawks", Portland used to have the "Portland Rosebuds" who competed for the Stanley Cup in 1916 - so Portland has a very long hockey history, and they would be a natural rival for the Seattle Kraken, there is only one professional team in Portland (NBA) so far - the market is large and mostly untapped. Portland - population 2,511,612 (2020) Milwaukee - has an NHL arena (Fiserv Forum), the Wisconsin badgers (NCAA Div 1) average over 10,000 fans per game, Wisconsin is top eight in hockey registration in the US (20,975 hockey players enrolled - that is more than Ohio, or New Jersey), a team in Milwaukee would also have the support of Madison, Wisconsin only an hour away (population of 680,796 in 2020), and a team in Milwaukee would be a natural rival for the Chicago Blackhawks and Minnesota Wild (if there can be a team in Manhattan, NY, Hempstead, NY, and Newark, NJ you can have a team in Milwaukee, WI, Saint Paul, MN, and Chicago, IL) the market is more than large enough and passionate enough for three hockey teams. Milwaukee - population 1,574,731 (2020) You can see the difference between "real" hockey markets and "large cities". Large cities are not necessarily good hockey markets. Winnipeg has 800k people and does better than Phoenix, Arizona (6.1 million) in nearly every metric. The team has a better attendance than Arizona (even before Mullet Arena). A higher valuation than Arizona. And generates more income than Arizona (Arizona actually loses money for the league). Winnipeg - 800,000 population sold out EVERY home game from 2010 to 2020 (until covid). 41 home games a year...for 10 years straight - did the Atlanta Thrashers or Phoenix coyotes EVER sell out a home game ever? Seriously? What date? Winnipeg did it ten years straight - every game. That's a real hockey market. 10 million people in Georgia can't sell out a game. 6 million people in Phoenix can't sellout a game. 800 thousand Canadians sell out EVERY game for ten years! And Quebec City is larger than Winnipeg....Gary Bettman hates Canada smh
Your inflection is killing me dude 😂
NHL can just have a third professional hockey expansion team down south in Atlanta!🍑🍑🍑🍑🍑🍑🏟🏟🏟🏟🏟🏟🏒🏒🏒🏒🏒🏒
If the NHL expands it be to Atlanta, Houston, Utah and Quebec
I had Houston Quebec KC and Hartford. I just want the whalers back. But hearing the word of ATL and Utah…. I’d listen
@@JJ-HimselfThe issue is that it seems like Hartford itself is not interested in hosting a new franchise sadly. I mean, a lot of people in that area seems to have picked up from the Bruins since then, while also it seems like Connecticut just don’t care to waste resources like that right now.
@@JJ-Himself Why don’t add Baltimore, Maryland, Cincinnati, Ohio, Cleveland, Ohio, Indianapolis, Indiana, New Orleans, Louisiana, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, San Antonio, Texas, San Diego, California and Birmingham, Alabama to the list of cities that would join the NHL as expansion franchises teams
Bring back the Houston Aeros and honour Gordie Howe's playing time there too!
Atlanta, houston, quebec, and salt lake city. Should be 4 expansions. 2 for the west and 2 for the east. Keep it balanced.
I like to see the Thrashers make a return to Atlanta.
@@joeytb3901 same! sure do miss the Thrashers and they could make it happen
Portland
Milwaukee
Houston
Quebec
Are the best locations.
Arizona and Georgia have failed miserably
@@sampicano Portland and Milwaukee will come on with Kansas City and Hartford to reach 40 teams.
I would prefer Kansas City over Salt Lake City. It would make a great rival for the Colorado Avalanvche and St. Louis Blues.
Atlanta had a team twice and both failed. No more, give it to Quebec
Dude, the Houston Aeros were in the world hockey association in the seventies and the ahl in the early 2,oops along with the 90s in the ihl
Thank you for the information.
I see Atlanta as a frontrunner because the developer already has a proposal development in the works. It gets built only on the condition an NHL team is officially coming. Now that Ryan Smith formally announced he wants to start the process of bidding for an expansion team, Salt Lake City is the other likely candidate to get one.
Development was approved by county officials the other day, contingent on landing an NHL team.
@@willp.8120 Correct. That is a huge step for the potential Atlanta bid.
Honestly, Salt Lake City might not even try to get an expansion franchise. The likely owner of the Salt Lake City franchise (who also owns the Utah Jazz) seems to be also willing to take on the Arizona Coyotes in a relocation move. It just depends on really where the ownership sees things
@@prayingpat6254 Clearly you do not know the facts on such an erroneous report.
@@NHLCrazy2007 I just said that they might, it’s nothing set in stone. Why the hostility?
why is it hard to image that 57 years ago the nhl had 6 teams
What I don’t know is why everyone keeps saying Bettman hates Canada. He and owners introduced revenue/profit sharing 20 years ago when the Canadian dollar was extremely weak and Ottawa, Calgary and even Edmonton had fears of losing their teams. Bettman works for the 32 owners not the other way around so he’s the scapegoat for all things hate about the NHL. Plus 7 of his bosses are in Canada and 42% of the NHLPA members are Canadian… if he hated Canada he would have been fired decades ago. Quebec is small and challenged and Quebec City supported their team in the 80s and early 90s but hey left when Marcel Aubut started to see losses and needed a new arena to hike revenue and prevent losses. Look at Winnipeg right now… top 3 team in the NHL but 2500 empty seats per game and in the second smallest arena in the NHL next only to Mullet arena. Winnipeg has 3rd attendance LOWEST by percentage at 82% only ahead of San Jose and tied with Buffalo. As for franchise appreciation Winnipeg ranked 32nd in evaluation increase of just 15% … Seattle has appreciated more in just 3 years. What Quebec needs are deep pockets willing to risk $$ after the honeymoon stage is over (10 years later) and maybe Peladeau and Quebecor will step up… they haven’t yet but maybe soon.
All very true. And every time a Canadian team gags in the playoffs, the whole country makes him out to be the scapegoat.
NO San Diego??? 3.2M pop only 1 Big Four team currently in the market. AHL Gulls is one of the top attended teams. A new Arena is going to break ground in early 2025
Should try to get the Ducks to move there.
@@willp.8120 San Diego is trash 🗑️ compared to Las Vegas Nevada so viva Las Vegas and go Vegas Golden knights ⚔️🎰🎲
Well you were right about it being soon now Utah wants one
I would like to see Utah have a team in the future!
Is bro reading off a script?
Let's be real. Toronto as a metro can fucking support a 2nd team. Easily. New York has 3 basically. Los Angeles essentially had 2 teams.
Houston maybe. Atlanta meh. Kansas City has an arena ready to go. So does Quebec City.
Portland has the MODA center.
Milwaukee has Fiserv Forum.
Quebec City has the videotron Centre.
Houston has the toyota center but...why another southern market that hates hockey? Didn't atlanta and phoenix fail BADLY ENOUGH???
SLC is small. It would be second smallest market in US after Buffalo...PORTLAND OR MILWAUKEE would be infinitely smarter options.
Your Inflection and cadence makin me nuts
Quebec, Houston, Salt Lake City and Milwaukee
I would like to see the NHL return to Kansas City. The NHL Scouts used to be in Kansas City in Kemper Arena. Kansas City is making a huge impact in professional sports with the success of the NFL Patrick Mahomes, and with the World Cup scheduled for Kansas City, as well, I feel Kansaa City is perfect opportunity for an NHL expansion team.
That sounds like a great idea!
NHL Portland
On April 15, 2027, Houston Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta will purchase the Minnesota Wild from Craig Leipold for $1.96 billion, including a relocation fee of $195 million to relocate the Wild to Houston. On April 15, 2027, the NHL Board of Governors will approve both the sale and relocation of the Wild to Houston in a unanimous vote. After 27 years in Saint Paul, the Wild will relocate to Houston, change their name to the Houston Outlaws, and play at Toyota Center in the 2027-28 NHL season.
Bro the way you say things, quit youtube, become a reporter on the news
Portland is too woke. They can call themselves "The Portland Transitions".
hahahahaha
Cincinnati could get an NHL team and possibly a NBA team too
The montreal canadiens need the nordiques as competion and I dont understand the coyotes situation and I would see the nordiques play
Houston Galaxy for the new Houston team.
Is going to take in the next 3 decades
Atlanta has failed twice when it comes to hockey, give it up!
Didn't the Blackhawks quash an attempt to bring the NHL to Milwaukee?
The Coyotes have been relocated to Salt Lake City, Utah and will become either the Utah Rockies, Utah Cougars, Utah Grizzlies or Utah Golden Eagles, You going to have to pick another city like Indianapolis, Indiana, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Kansas City, Missouri, New Orleans, Louisiana, Cleveland, Ohio, Cincinnati, Ohio and Birmingham, Alabama for an NHL Expansion Team when you do another video on UA-cam
Will do, thank you for the information!
Gimme the Atlanta Thrashers
Atlanta failed twice! No more for them. Give Quebec city another shot. Oh, who am I kidding, Bettman won't let Canada get another team. He hates Canada. RAT!
I'd love to see hockey in Portland, Milwaukee or Quebec City - all cities large enough, with rivalries, hockey history and NHL ready arenas.
Last I check Bettman has 32 bosses and if those bosses want Quebec City then Bettman nods his head. He is paid to be the whipping boy of the 32 owners and no one is bitching to the owner only Bettman so Bettman keeps his job.
Hey, NBA gave Chicago a 3rd shot with the Bulls so why not give ATL a 3rd shot at NHL. Like it or not, NHL back to ATL is happening. Since 2011, ATL area population has grown 1.6million and still exploding in growth. The new 18k+ capacity stadium project on the north side suburbs (The Gathering) is moving ahead nicely & as planned. The land has been cleared and the construction will begin in Fall 2024. I predict it will be announced in 2025 and the full return for a new team in ATL area will take place in 2026 or 2027
Exactly and I 100% agree! if The Gathering gets fully approved (which I think it's close to it) and they started building, it will then only be a matter of time before Atlanta gets another whether if people like it or not. Atlanta is such a big market to ignore and the fact they are planning to build and have their own arena is a step in the right direction than compared to Flames and Thrashers history
Houston is a bigger market than Atlanta so by your logic Houston would be the better location for the NHL.
I Agree. Houston deserves a team before Atlanta (Atlanta has PROVEN they will fail).
@@sampicano and according to you line of logic, Chicago never should have gotten a third NBA team because Chicago has PROVEN they would fail if they got a third NBA team....Chicago's third NBA team was the Bulls and have been there ever since...smh
@@cameronvandevelde4186
You: "Atlanta is such a big market to ignore"
Me: By that logic, the biggest market without a team is Houston - therefore Houston would be a better than Atlanta.
You: "according to you line of logic, Chicago never should have gotten a third NBA team because Chicago has PROVEN they would fail if they got a third NBA team"
How low is your IQ? What you just did is called a strawman argument.
"Strawman Fallacy:
A straw man fallacy occurs when someone distorts or exaggerates another person’s argument, and then attacks the distorted version of the argument instead of genuinely engaging."
You think Atlanta is too large a market to ignore, but they have less people than Houston.
So I said Houston with 7.1 million people would work better than Atlanta and it's 5.5 million. Both terrible hockey markets, one has failed twice and has far less people than the other city.
You responded...."according to you line of logic, Chicago never should have gotten a third NBA team because Chicago has PROVEN they would fail"
That's a frighteningly stupid thing to say.
I NEVER mentioned Chicago. Or the NBA. EVERYBODY KNOWS BASKETBALL WOULD WORK IN CHICAGO. Chicago is the THIRD LARGEST CITY IN THE US AND LOVES BASKETBALL LMAO
EVERYBODY KNOWS HOCKEY WOULD FAIL IN ATLANTA
Atlanta HATES HOCKEY...
This guy can not be taken seriously has he can not pronounce Nordiques, or Canucks
Charleston, SC would be a great market or Jacksonville, FL, and another good location is Salt Lake City, UT.
Those are really bad locations.
They don't even have AHL teams...
@sampicano What are you talking about check your facts first before you make stupid comments !
South carolina Stingrays - ECHL
Jacksonville Ice Men - ECHL
salt Lake City - no Minor League
San Antonio Rampage - AHL
@@joeytb3901 so I said they don't even have any AHL teams...and you named a bunch of ECHL teams....so I'm right you are wrong.
Also SLC has an ECHL team just to prove how much more I know than you...Utah Grizzlies (play at the Maverick center)
San Antonio Rampage relocated to henderson, nevada. Bro if you know NOTHING, keep your mouth shut?
EVERYTHING I SAID....ABOUT SOUTH CAROLINA AND JACKSONVILLE BEING TERRIBLE LOCATIONS IS TRUE..
ALSO THEY DONT HAVE AHL TEAMS...THE ECHL IS NOT THE AHL YOU DUMMY...so I'm right again, you're wrong AGAIN
@@joeytb3901 You basically named some of the worst hockey markets in the united states. I bet you think New Orleans would be a good location for an NHL team too. Or Orlando.
Because there are GOOD locations with HOCKEY HISTORY and NHL READY arenas (Milwaukee, Portland, Cleveland, Quebec City, Hamilton, San Diego and Houston are options if you want to expand South)....and then there are the dumb places you just named...Charleston, Jacksonville, San Antonio LMAO....
Salt Lake City is okay. Utah Jazz owner has expressed interest, and the Maverick Center would be okay, but SLC would be the second smallest market in the US after Buffalo - why would ANYONE choose SLC over Milwaukee, or Houston in the Central division? What you proposed is extremely poorly thought out.
@sampicano ....... Your argument is pointless. You did not even know there were minor league hockey teams in those cities. get your facts straight, and people would love to have hockey teams in those cities I mentioned.
Imagine having the Carolina Hurricanes VS. Charleston Stingrays, which is the Washington Capitals Minors
Or how about the Las Vegas Golden Knights ......Golden Knights stupid !
San Antonio, TX
I left when when you got to Houston...you don't know what you are talking about....
So what was inaccurate?
I believe San Francisco, Baltimore, and San Diego, Cincinnati, Hartford should have a team
The minute you said Hamilton... you lost ALL credibility....... .Toronto and Buffalo have blocked this as it would eat into existing fan bases and both franchises have worked for it to NEVER happen... It was bad enough you said Atlanta.. which would be strike 3 for them .. yes a large TV market.. but no interest from their fans. Milwaukee makes more sense Houston would be a good one and Salt Lake would be good as it fills the arena on none NBA nights. Quebec Nordiques (learn to pronounce it too) sounds great.... but there is long shot
A team in Hamilton WOULD generate more revenue than the Sabres.
Hamilton is the second largest city in Canada without an NHL team (after Quebec City), they have an NHL ready arena AND THE GTA IS THE SINGLE BEST LOCATION FOR AN NHL TEAM.
So you just lost all credibility - and I don't think Hamilton should get an expansion team either. But give your head a shake lol...Sabres will relocate eventually LMFAO 🤣
The Atlanta Thrashers moved because their ownership was terrible and they needed a new arena. Their attendance wasn't bad.
@@donaldjgumpofficial5754
ATLANTA THRASHERS ATTENDACES:
- The Atlanta Thrashers and Flames attendances were BAD....do not let anyone lie to you and tell you otherwise
2011 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance (13,469)
2010 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance (13,607)
2009 - 29th/30 teams in NHL attendance (14,626)
2008 - 22nd/30 teams in NHL attendance (15,831)
2007 - 21st/30 teams in NHL attendance (16,240)
- the inaugural season (1999) was the best attended season for Atlanta
- it is NEVER a good sign when your first year is the most successful -the attendance just dropped off after that
- 2007 was the Thrashers SECOND best season ever in attendance with a truly pathetic 16,240....(only good enough for 21st in the NHL that year)
- 2007 was also Atlanta's most successful year in the league losing in the Eastern Conference Quarter Finals
- Atlanta Thrashers second BEST was only good enough for 21st in the NHL in 2007
- IMAGINE being in a race, and you're finishing 29/30, 28/30, 22/30, 21st place out of 30 runners is considered good in your mind???? Atlanta was a complete joke. The attendances were truly pathetic.
2011 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance
2010 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance
2009 - 29th/30 teams in NHL attendance
2008 - 22nd/30 teams in NHL attendance
2007 - 21st/30 teams in NHL attendance
- Atlanta Thrashers second BEST attended season (16,240) would be 26th in today's NHL
Nothing about Atlanta says "success story"
ATLANTA THRASHERS ATTENDACES:
- The Atlanta Thrashers and Flames attendances were BAD....do not let anyone lie to you and tell you otherwise
2011 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance (13,469)
2010 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance (13,607)
2009 - 29th/30 teams in NHL attendance (14,626)
2008 - 22nd/30 teams in NHL attendance (15,831)
2007 - 21st/30 teams in NHL attendance (16,240)
- the inaugural season (1999) was the best attended season for Atlanta
- it is NEVER a good sign when your first year is the most successful -the attendance just dropped off after that
- 2007 was the Thrashers SECOND best season ever in attendance with a truly pathetic 16,240....(only good enough for 21st in the NHL that year)
- 2007 was also Atlanta's most successful year in the league losing in the Eastern Conference Quarter Finals
- Atlanta Thrashers second BEST was only good enough for 21st in the NHL in 2007
- IMAGINE being in a race, and you're finishing 29/30, 28/30, 22/30, 21st place out of 30 runners is considered good in your mind???? Atlanta was a complete joke. The attendances were truly pathetic.
2011 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance
2010 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance
2009 - 29th/30 teams in NHL attendance
2008 - 22nd/30 teams in NHL attendance
2007 - 21st/30 teams in NHL attendance
- Atlanta Thrashers second BEST attended season (16,240) would be 26th in today's NHL
Nothing about Atlanta says "success story"
Bettman’s MO is to grow the game in communities that currently aren’t interested. So any options in Canada are out. SLC is out, Milwaukee is out. Atlanta has given the NHL PTSD, KC and Houston are the only ones that fit that MO.
Portland is out.
Houston, Atlanta and a second team in Phoenix are at the top of Gary Bettman's dementia riddled brain.
ATLANTA GLADIATORS THIS IS INTERESTING NAME FOR NHL
haha maybe. I like that name for the ECHL. if Atlanta gets another team, it will more than likely be the Thrashers again but if for whatever reason that doesn't work / can't use it, I think this will be a cool team name: Georgia Raptors!
why? one of Georgia's known crytpids is the Georgia Raptor and is was believed to be a velociraptor...it's different but in a way, it still has the bird theme to professional teams in the state since the word Raptor means "Bird of Prey" and the location of where the new Atlanta team will play at is a good 45ish minutes away from downtown Atlanta so the Georgia (team name) makes the most sense if Thrashers can't be used
Most of these have no chance. Houston may, but it depends on the arena situation. Hamilton is just an excuse for a bad Maple Leafs franchise. Atlanta has had two shots; won't happen. Portland is too small. Milwaukee already has 3 major players, and likely cannot support a fourth. QC has less chance than Hamilton. SLC same as Milwaukee; not large enough to matter. Houston and KC might come in together, but it'll be a while -- unless owners are ready to throw money at them, and even then, the Arizona situation has to become solid.
How is Portland too small?
Go on.
Milwaukee, Portland are the TWO BEST locations in the states lmfao
Quebec City would be the front runnef in Canada (or a second team in the GTA).
Go on, explain why Portland is too small....
toronto should have two teams in toronto
@@sampicano PDX is market size #25, and already has NBA. Milwaukee is #40. Portland would be better, but it isn't good enough. QC already had the Nordiques. There's a reason they left.
In short, Houston is #5.
@@drumcatnau
There's 32 teams...32 markets available...you see the 25th largest market as too small?
Portland has the 23rd largest TV market not 25th I googled it - sandwiched between St. Louis and Raleigh-Durham (both cities with NHL teams).
Milwaukee is arguably the best location in the United States to put an NHL team...
- Wisconsin averaged 9,736 people per game in NCAA - basically always top 5.
- Wisconsin has top ten hockey registration in USA - but only top 20 in population.
- Wisconsin has an NHL ready arena (Fiserv Forum).
- Wisconsin would have gographic rivalries with Minneapolis and Chicago.
- Milwaukee is like 45 minutes from MADISON WISCONSIN (population 700,000). Milwaukee has over 1.5 million people - mostly hockey fans, and Madison has another 700k.
Atlanta had 5.5 million people and STILL failed...they moved to Winnipeg (only 731,000 population) and INSTANTLY STARTED GENERATING REVENUE.
The NHL is a revenue sharing league...5.5 million people in Atlanta...and 9.7 million in Georgia could not generate any money...but 731 thousand people in Winnipeg started generating revenue the moment they relocated to Winnipeg. Winnipeg sold out every game from 2010 to 2020 (until Covid) Phoenix and Atlanta NEVER sold out ONE GAME...Winnipeg sold out 41 home games a year...for ten years straight...with 700k people!
That's the difference between a REAL hockey market - and Atlanta, or Phoenix, or Houston.
Phoenix has 5 million people currently - and has lost $115.2 million from 2013 to 2023...similar to Atlanta, Phoenix NEVER GENERATED ANY REVENUE FOR THE LEAGUE....it doesn't matter that there's 5 million people... 5 million people not tuning in is still ZERO!
Houston HAS NO HOCKEY FANS....7.1 million people doesn't MATTER LMAO
Where's the hockey team in Houston???? AHL? ECHL? ANY TEAM AT ALL???? If Houston LOVES hockey so much why did the Aero's fail????? Where is the team??? They have nothing because it's the DEEP SOUTH. They like BBQ and Football. Start with a junior team, if you can attend an AHL game maybe you deserve an NHL team...but there is no support for hockey in Houston.
Give hockey to Portland Oregon, Milwaukee Wisconsin or Quebec City (which is larger than Winnipeg).
@@sampicano Portland is too small because it's saturated for its market size. It already has heavy exposure to the Kraken. I can't help if you don't like the facts, but they don't change.
Not wanting to disappoint cities that really want to support hockey I believe that the NHL should have two levels. Something like in soccer an A and a B level. You would end up with 32 teams in Level A that play against each other for a place in the playoffs with the rest perhaps 16+ teams that play for a place in level A. The top 8 teams from level B replace the bottom teams in level A. This way no city is left out. If a city stays in level B too long and the fans start deserting the team then they can move or just fold.
This is North America boy...get that sissy Euro promotion and relegation out of here...
Although this model would be PERFECT for MLS 😂
With your argument then NFL, NBA, MLB and even MLS should do the same. Neither of the big 5 will ever do that. Too much money to loss.
In the decades 2030s Gary Bettman will retired. Later his son is going to be the new commissioner. And takes over the nhl. He will change the conference back the way it was just the nba. It will be easier who’s the standings of the nhl no more atlantic, north or pacific. It will be standings.
Houston - no NHL team, no AHL team, no ECHL team (if they like hockey so much in Houston (7.1 million) wouldn't they have a team? Mexico City also has a large population with ZERO hockey teams.)
Kansas City - lost one NHL team (Kansas City Scouts), ECHL team (bottom 5 in attendance in the ECHL) where are the fans?
Atlanta - lost two NHL teams (Atlanta Flames, Atlanta Mistakes), ECHL team averages 41.3% capacity (4,900 fans) - Georgia has some of the worst hockey registration numbers in North America (0.02% registered - 40th in USA out of 50)
Quebec City - averages 9,726 per game (in QMJHL) that's more than Arizona Coyotes and their AHL affiliate Tucson Roadrunners combined - 8,225. And Quebec averages over 18,000 a game in the playoffs. Quebec City - population 839,311 (7th largest city in Canada - is larger than Winnipeg - 834,678) and Quebec is the last major population centre in canada still without a team (Hamilton and Mississauga can be considered part of GTA)
Portland - has an NHL arena (MODA), has a well supported WHL team "Winterhawks", Portland used to have the "Portland Rosebuds" who competed for the Stanley Cup in 1916 - so Portland has a very long hockey history, and they would be a natural rival for the Seattle Kraken, there is only one professional team in Portland (NBA) so far - the market is large and mostly untapped. Portland - population 2,511,612 (2020)
Milwaukee - has an NHL arena (Fiserv Forum), the Wisconsin badgers (NCAA Div 1) average over 10,000 fans per game, Wisconsin is top eight in hockey registration in the US (20,975 hockey players enrolled - that is more than Ohio, or New Jersey), a team in Milwaukee would also have the support of Madison, Wisconsin only an hour away (population of 680,796 in 2020), and a team in Milwaukee would be a natural rival for the Chicago Blackhawks and Minnesota Wild
(if there can be a team in Manhattan, NY, Hempstead, NY, and Newark, NJ you can have a team in Milwaukee, WI, Saint Paul, MN, and Chicago, IL) the market is more than large enough and passionate enough for three hockey teams. Milwaukee - population 1,574,731 (2020)
You can see the difference between "real" hockey markets and "large cities". Large cities are not necessarily good hockey markets.
Winnipeg has 800k people and does better than Phoenix, Arizona (6.1 million) in nearly every metric. The team has a better attendance than Arizona (even before Mullet Arena). A higher valuation than Arizona. And generates more income than Arizona (Arizona actually loses money for the league).
Winnipeg - 800,000 population sold out EVERY home game from 2010 to 2020 (until covid). 41 home games a year...for 10 years straight - did the Atlanta Thrashers or Phoenix coyotes EVER sell out a home game ever? Seriously? What date?
Winnipeg did it ten years straight - every game. That's a real hockey market.
10 million people in Georgia can't sell out a game.
6 million people in Phoenix can't sellout a game.
800 thousand Canadians sell out EVERY game for ten years!
And Quebec City is larger than Winnipeg....Gary Bettman hates Canada smh
Houston will get an NHL team. That’s a guarantee.