One nice thing this movie does is the "buried treasure" on Isle de Muerta. It's been discussed on this channel before that Pirates seldom if ever hoarded their treasure instead electing to spend it immediately on goods and pleasures, which is exactly what the crew of the Pearl do when they find the Aztec Gold. However, they soon realize the gold was cursed and now they're in a desperate chase to get every piece of spent gold back in order to reverse their curse. Meanwhile any excess loot they collect while on the hunt for the remaining Aztec pieces they deposit on the Isle to spend later, as it doesn't make sense to spend it now because the curse keeps them from enjoying any of the pleasures of life.
Well it makes more sense as Young Men tend to be more rash and Volitile, its still true today, I mean just look at the usual ages of people who become radicalized by Extremist groups.
I think what you point out at 2:15 is often overlooked. As soon as the pirates realize they can die, they surrender. Granted the entire point of their fighting was them trying to lift the curse, so they got what they wanted, whether they’re hanged after they’re freed from purgatory is probably less important to them. But it’s kind of a subversion of expectations; the British marines are actually decently defending themselves against enemies who are literally unbeatable, and then once it becomes a “fair fight” it’s not a dramatic “they have a chance now” moment and they’re gradually able to gain the upper hand in the battle, the pirates just immediately give up. Because they know that if they were only *kind of* winning when it was literally impossible for them to lose, they have no chance in hell when they’re not essentially cheating lol.
That’s another stupid movie trope that needs to stop. British soldiers were trained to defend and/or kill the enemy so them acting like bumbling fools against pirates is horribly inaccurate. It really should be the pirates acting like bumbling fools since they didn’t had any sort of military training, they were just sailors; maybe some did deserted but very few in number
@@mageilluswell, they’re hardened undead pirates who have probably been in endless battles, so it’s fair that they may actually be more organized, skilled, and experienced than the English Navy
@@jean-pierrepouye2453 you are really underestimating navy training. Pirates’ main goal was for their enemy to surrender without a fight so there wouldn’t be any “endless battles”
@mageuillus pirates had plenty of training - being a privateer was one of the best options for a retired sailor, and so most pirates of that period and area were veterans. Their lamd tactics also show a big level of discipline and sophistication - check out the video on this channel. They didn't avoid combat because of a lack of skills but because it was counterintuitive for making the most money. The problem was their expertise and ability was nowhere close to that of a Royal Marine, who's profession was marksmanship and boarding ships.
@@buckplug2423 You’re talking about two complete different eras of piracy when it comes to training; even if the old buccaneers passed down their knowledge to the new generation, their combat habits just couldn’t be comparable. Many buccaneers of the 1680s were veterans of the 30 years war and the English Civil War, they used guerrilla tactics to take over and burn Spanish cities. Pirates from 1715 onwards on the other hand never had any real wartime experience (besides pea-shooting other ships) and just had basic weapons training, if any. They relied on weak merchants to surrender without a fight.
The design of the medallions is based on the Aztec Stone of the Sun, a stunning piece of art. But most of the time Aztec iconography shows skulls from the side instead of the front. Also the Aztecs didn't have a lot of gold. They had some but the neighbouring Mixtecs of Oaxaca produced a lot more. The design of the chest that holds the medallions is based on the Gate of the Sun in Tiwanaku, Bolivia. It's a cool design but it has no conection to the Aztecs.
I do have to say that in the movies the Pirates seemed aware that the age of piracy is dying. (i e. not the golden age) Becket himself said so, map gets filled out, less places to hide... Barbossa made a case for the brethren court to bring back the good old times (with Calypso's help). Other points well taken. 😅
jack and barbossa literally discuss this, "there's just less in it" all the characters now. jack knows, he's terrified of it, which is why he was desperate to be the captain of the duchman in the subsequent films!
I think Elizabeth's corset should get a pass as the dress and corset were a suprise and so wasnt tailored for her, the fashion itself was unfamiliar to her and i imagine the servants were similarly unsure of how exactly to tighten and fit it comfortably. Her second similar dress we see appears much more comfortable as I imagine the character learned her lesson from the first corset incident. Just what I took from it.
As an upper class woman living in the Caribbean, the style of dress wouldn't have been unfamiliar to her. She would have been wearing the same style of clothing as women of her social class living back in England, and her measurements would be with a dress maker (or several dress makers) back in London who would make up dresses that would be sent out to her. All women of all social classes wore corsets from early childhood, including Elizabeth and all the female servants so their is no way that her abigail (the servant who dressed her and looked after her clothing) would have been unfamiliar with how to tighten a corset. The idea that a teenage girl would be uncomfortable and unfamiliar with standard clothes of her day is just not plausible. It's a totally unrealistic scene.
They just used the ' Oh no, my corset is too tight now I have to faint' as a cheap plotdevice. What Elisabeth wore was actually called stays and she (and the female servants) would have worn them every Day. Elisabeth's stays, as all of her clothes, were handsewn and fitted specifically to her. As were all clothes in the 18th century.Think of stays as nothing more than an old timey bra.
4:30 I don’t think it’s a misinterpretation, more like they were just trying to “modernise” their looks and make them look cool, with tall letter boots instead of those somewhat silly looking gaiters, that just look like big socks
I went sailing recently with a group from the Scouts organization as an adult advisor. Every meal we made in the galley of the sloop I gave all the crew a pirate fact from your channel. Thank you for educating me on such an interesting subject :)
6:10 I once read an idea that, because as they say in the film, corsets are a brand new fashion that maybe Elizabeth's maidservants didn't know how to correctly put on the corset and so tied it too tightly. No idea it that was the intention but it makes the scene run more smoothly for me lol 😂
As a Dutchman myself I would be very extremely interested in some history from my homeland. Maybe a video on the “watergeuzen” Dutch and Flemish pirates plundering French and spanish shipping in primarily the North Sea.
As a fellow Dutchman I like that idea too, but this channel only focus on Caribbean pirates. There were however Dutch Pirates / Buccanneers in the Caribbean. For example Rock the Brazillian. They need some more attention and I hope this channel will make videos about them.
Oh hey, I saw a few of your videos. Before releasing this series I tried contacting you for a collab, since I don't do any analysis of the cinematic qualities I wanted to refer to someone I does incase people desire that sort of content. But I don't think you responded or I missed it.
The sailors not wearing primarily red is a necessary sacrifice against historical accuracy. Red was is notoriously hard to capture on and have it come out right on screen. Even today, most movies dont have much of the color red in costumes as a primary color unless absolutely necessary but is used in small amounts as an accent. Its the same reason that Transformers (2007) made Optimus a blue truck with red flames instead of a solid red truck
Spanish speaker here. Isla de Muerta would not mean "island of death". Instead, it would be "Island of the dead woman", or any female dead entity. It is a weird name in spanish, because using "muerta" on its own without an article would turn it into an adjective (persona muerta-dead person). The correct way to say "island of the dead woman" would be "Isla de la muerta". Island of death would be "Isla de la Muerte".
I have two suggestions that may help you expand your series of analyzing the historical accuracy of pirate media. The first is Roman Polanski's 1986 Film, Pirates, which is set in 1659. The other is a TV series from the late 1950s, The Adventures of Long John Silver, with Robert Newton reprising his role as Long John Silver. The latter being set in an unknown year in the late 18th century. Edit: I was originally going to post a YT playlist I found containing all the episodes of The Adventures of Long John Silver if anyone was interested. Unfortunately, my comment ends up being deleted for no apparent reason when posting the link on my comment.
I totally expected POTC to be riddled with issues, but it seems like it is actually not half bad! Great video as always, never had too much of an interest in pirates but your channel totally changed that!
I think the hubris of the British at port Royal believing they had wiped out the pirates, along with the fact they are cursed and desperate to find the coin makes it plausible the raid could work
Also it’s claimed in the lore that the black sails of the black Pearl make it hard to see at night allowing it to slip into port and basically surprise attack the fort and town at close range. I think the implication is that by the time the fort is roused and fighting that pearly was already escaping. Whether this would work in real life? 🤷♂️
Also it’s claimed in the lore that the black sails of the black Pearl make it hard to see at night allowing it to slip into port and basically surprise attack the fort and town at close range. I think the implication is that by the time the fort is roused and fighting that pearly was already escaping. Whether this would work in real life? 🤷♂️
Very fun concept, definitrly looking forward to analysis of other pirate cinema out there. Also a great introduction to historical piracy for movie fans.
It's fun to hear that someone who clearly knows a lot about the source material, is also able to enjoy a film that gets some of the details wrong. I find it to be a shame when the inaccuracies of a thing keep the audience from enjoying something entertaining. I'm glad that this guy is able to overlook those shortcomings, and still enjoy the movie. 😁
8:11 was hilarious omg "get on with it mutherfu" DROP XD omg that was hilarious, such a perfect summation of how pirates are shown in media. It may be weird, but it reminds me of how ancient Romans are shown in media. They have fancy british accents and act like romeo lmao.
I desperately wish I could my a Roman movie. I get we can't replicate perfectly but it's goofy. If I could I'd have them use Italian accents(you use different regions for different People for characterization) and I really want to point out just how similar the local governing of Rome was to how the Italian mob works. It's VERY reminiscent of organized crime
I'm disgustingly obsessed with the trilogy and love this channel. I know the movies aren't accurate and there are going to be a lot of errors highlighted, but it gonna be good
@@cleverusername9369 I’ve seen the trilogy around 35 times since the start of the pandemic I play the fan rebirth (TLOPO) of the Disney game (POTCO) daily, and started playing with my dad back in ‘07 or so I regularly read fandom articles I read fan theories and shit like that Unfortunately I haven’t read the books I’ve watched nearly every bts, blooper reel, etc I could find online I’ve been a fan of the series my whole life. I was born in 04, so I literally grew up with it
Ehhh, good action pirate movies. Better than cleopetra's wanna be documentary. Those movies couldn't be made today in Hollywood. Not enough diversity and Will would be continuously ridiculed as being incompetent and always saved by a non binary Elizabeth who neither needs nor wants a man.
@Peter2k84 yep, they’d also gender and race swap some important characters and make all the men weak and helpless. You are correct most movies nowadays suck compared to movies back then
I love these movies. It's not like they were ever trying to be accurate, it's more of a loveletter to old pirate stories, adventure films and nautical yarn. Like an Indiana Jones or the Mummy of the sea, basically. And it think they (alongside LotR and Potter) had the most memorable characters and music in recent movie history. I'd even say there's some enjoyable parts about 4 and 5, though the negatives outweigh the positives. And I do love this channel too. I don't agree with him on everything (Shanties!) but he does make really good and honest content, and he always cites his sources. He taught me more about sea rover history and individual biographies than I ever knew before.
I'm glad you mentioned corsets not actually being constricting and breaking your bones. There's a lot of myths and misconceptions around the corset. Ones which we have largely thanks to misinformed men. They really frustrate me sometimes.
How often can that possibly be an issue that comes up for you? Furthermore what type of ultra-privileged life are you living where your frustrations are brought about through others ignorance of largely antiquated pieces of clothing?
@@danielmorris7648 a better question would be why you have such a massive sharp stick up your ass? Someone or something has obviously rustled your jimmies, and its making you quite combative and angry. Why is that?
@@danielmorris7648because she takes an interest in clothes in general, historical clothing in movies or in general? Nothing to do with being privileged. Those discussions come on often even today when woman use waist trainers etc
Poseidon's Trident exists in the Pirates universe, and Calypso is a Greek water nymph. It's my personal head canon that the rest of the Greek pantheon exists in this setting, and we are only witnessing interactions with sea related entities.
14:04 I recall you once criticizing the mythbusters once in a previous video. Hilariously they tested this scene and found the air was actually too buoyant for two grown men to weigh it down. You could probably fine the clip of them underwater pretty easily.
Love to see that people are coming to this channel in large numbers, if you’re the only person doing something really well people WILL take notice. These videos are well researched and executed and will continue to gain the attention they deserve for years. They’re for all time baby
Many things regarding the crew of the Black Pearl making illogical choices can be explained away due to the unique nature of the pirates and the ship, both of which are magical. The ship was brought back from the depths by Davy Jones and was made equally as fast and durable as his own ship, and the pirates themselves can’t get killed, so they weren’t concerned for their safety. As far as the destruction of the town goes, they weren’t looking to plunder it, they were looking for the cursed medallion, and they called off the attack as soon as they got it.
I would love to hear what you have to say about Davy Jones and his crew who’ve been cursed to have been at sea for over 10 years. No doubt some interesting complications with costume design and what not i’d assume.
While I agree with you on the unfeasibility of the bombardment of Port Royal, I wouldn't put it past the crew of the Black Pearl to destroy the city. They came to the city in the first place searching for that medallion, not general plunder, and they obviously have a way of tracking the cursed gold. As you have said, pirates were lazy and took shortcuts, and after ten years of being cursed I'd imagine they'd be frustrated with their fate and thus make rash decisions.
Just found this channel and sometimes the algorithm has it right. Going to have to binge this all on my next day off. God bless and keep up the good work!
Probably got asked alot but can you do a video on pirate fashion throughout the century? what they wore, why, what everyone else was wearing (in the colonies, like the spanish and so on)
The movie characters or movie characters that were based on novel characters would usually be either younger or older than the actors that portray them; and many of the Harry Potter adult cast members for example are older in age than their characters. The ones that are closer to age accurate is Mad-Eye Moody, Gilderoy Lockhart, Syble Trelawny, and Dolores Jane Umbridge.
I think the trick with a capsized rowboat used as a diving bell was also used in another pirate movie. Much older one. I don't remember what was it, tho. Might have been "The Crimson Pirate"!
Interesting take. I like how you give it credit when need arises. Great evaluation on information we have now. A couple of things that came to my mind (sorry for absurdly long comment: 1. I do not think the makers originally had any idea what year the movie took place. As I am a bit older than some other folks in the community (I am not far from 30), and I have watched some behind the scenes documentaries, I can say that in the early 2000s up to the era when the 4th movie was made in 2011, places like fandom Wikipedia said Curse takes place in about 1740. This even ended up in video game mod of Akella’s Pirate games with Jack Sparrow. I do believe 1728 date was determined later by Wikipedia editors when more historical context was given in later films, like the kings of Spain and England. None of the makers have ever really said what year the film is supposed to take place in. The only indicator about the late 1720s setting I have encountered was an odd comment in Potc 3 behind the scenes documentary (which I recorded as a kid in a VHS tape back in 2007) where one maker (not a major one like a writer or the director) speaks of Sao Feng’s bathhouse as being “1720s waterpark”. In many other places even the writers make references like "industrialization is coming", which to me kinda reference to a more vague idea of the mid 18th century when the film was made. 2. I also recall a short section of a deleted scene with a shark hanging around the plank scene, but it was indeed not in the actual film cut. 3. Historically there is a post period image of 1820s pirates dressing as women passengers to hide their intentions. 4. Indeed, very few forts were attacked by pirates in early 1700s, but a few that were small and that were in Africa, like the Fort Delagoa were raided by pirates like Taylor and La Buze, so some were targets sometimes at least. But his was nothing like seen in the film, which was more indeed like buccaneer raids of Morgan or others. (5. BTW. I think the park ride the film was based on was more inspired by buccaneers than later pirates, unlike the movie.). 6. I would also note that Black Pearl as a black ship at night and the crew as cursed undead men could afford to be a bit reckless, so story-wise it makes sense. Anyway, messy stuff and fun analysis. 7. To be fair I personally think the historical videos from the channel are more interesting than pop culture analyses, but I know this will help the channel to grow, as I know others are very interested. I hope these videos get more people into the channel. All the best. Cheers!🏴☠
I'm new to the channel so I don't know if you've covered the Cartagena de Indias siege. If you haven't, can you make about it? Since it's my city, I'd love to hear more. Cheers
Walking with the boat under water, tip air out as needed to maintain ballast and stay on the bottom, dump the rest of the air to leave the boat at the bottom.
Could you do an analysis on the unicorn battle from the tintin movie, the secret of the unicorn, it has details other films omit like having redcoats on the ship
If I recall correctly the battle there is set in the 16th century and the fashion there is all over the place with soldiers wearing more 18th century garb exile pirates are wearing stereotypical pirate clothes.
In the movie it was Isla De Muerta (Which was the name of the goddess De La Muerta of the Spanish/Mexican the land of the Remembered part of the underworld) instead of Isla De Muerto.
Period standard uniforms and armor are usually the sort of costumes that are easier to replicate than spend 100 hours trying to search for the sort of footwear that was worn during a specific time period or era and besides boots are the footwear that us modern folk recognize from the usual myths that we read is what stems our common based idea of what pirates looked like. Like many people around the world, Hollywood is more interested in the nostalgic idea of what pirates looked like than the history surrounding the pirates of the 1600s-1700s.
Good video, Though, as the average deckhand on the ship would be mid twenties, how about the officers and the captain? Would that not average 35 or even 40?
What really doesn't make sense is how Curse Of the Black Pearl is set in the 1720s(ish), and yet by the 5th film Jack is put into a guillotine which wasn't even invented until 1789, and wasn't used until 1792. So does that mean that 70 years has passed between CotBP and DMTNT?! We can just assume the guillotine was added to the film for the sake of the gag, and historical accuracy was thrown out of the window, much like Barbossa's bicorn hat which also appears 70 years before it's supposed to. The writing and accuracy went downhill after the 3rd film. When a film about an octopus man and a kraken are more historically accurate than your pirate story, you know you're in trouble.
Question about the tricorn hats and how they were worn: Weren't the points of the tricorns kinda rotated whichever way would allow the sun to stay out of their eyes? Meaning that while it would be inaccurate for everyone to wear a point forward, as you mention, wouldn't it also be somewhat inaccurate to say that they would have a flat side forward?
11:50 if these names are spanish given as they seem, they are said in a different way, in "isla" the "s" is fully pronounced, all names are understandable enough tho.
I’d give us pirate enthusiasts some credit: I know that the fashion was different between periods-because fashion in general is typically different. I mean, you wouldn’t see someone in the 1720s wearing a pilgrim outfit from the 1620s.
I've been waiting for this to happen. And I give it a 12 out of 10. The Curse of the Black Pearl got some things right, just not all. Do look forward to a more in depth analysis. And I will agree with you, Curse of the Black Pearl is a slight step up from Black Sails.
Somehow the theme park ride got the plundering scene more correct than the movie: the pirates first take out the Spanish garrison, then proceed to loot the town and hold its citizens for ransom before finally burning the town
The thing is that Pirates of the Caribbean was not really meant to be historical. It does not take place in history but in a fantasy world were old sailor-tales and folklore are real, which is just such a fun idea to explore.
The Black Pearl when not in its cursed state taking on The Flying Dutchman should be next to impossible.... in the Dutchman's cursed state anyway because the Dutchman was Bigger and also the fact that the Curse its self is what makes the ship's armor seem tougher than reinforced steel. The B P pirates would have run out of supplies before they could as so much but a dent into the Dutchman's main mast or aft mast.
Great analysis on as always and I get the impression that the oars were more for dramatic effect of overtaking the other ship, since when does the cinema industry do actual research? 😄 Nice to see that the battle scene isn't a write off.👍
I might be in the minority but I think the first PotC movie should’ve been left as a stand-alone film. The other films complicate the story of its setting too much.
They really went this hard on a movie based on a theme park ride.
yes, and it was so heavily mocked prior to its release. Only to become probably the most loved popcorn pirate flick of all time.
@@christopherrowe7860 weird to think it was mocked when it created such a storm of pirate media and pirate-fiction love
@@pemo2676 indeed, not saying it was warented. But few thought that a movie based on a theme park ride could be successful.
It still amazes me to this day that it's based on the ride and not the other way around
@@beanlord4347The original Haunted mansion and the lastest one that the rock was in were also based on Disney theme park rides.
One nice thing this movie does is the "buried treasure" on Isle de Muerta. It's been discussed on this channel before that Pirates seldom if ever hoarded their treasure instead electing to spend it immediately on goods and pleasures, which is exactly what the crew of the Pearl do when they find the Aztec Gold. However, they soon realize the gold was cursed and now they're in a desperate chase to get every piece of spent gold back in order to reverse their curse. Meanwhile any excess loot they collect while on the hunt for the remaining Aztec pieces they deposit on the Isle to spend later, as it doesn't make sense to spend it now because the curse keeps them from enjoying any of the pleasures of life.
Never thought I'd hear pirates being described as "cute twinks"
Really changes my perception of pirates lmao
Need bratty assertive buccaneer bf 😩😩😩
My gay ass when I unexpectedly hear anything remotely gay 😱🥴
Now we need a TV show where it's just a bunch of Trap pirates.
Well it makes more sense as Young Men tend to be more rash and Volitile, its still true today, I mean just look at the usual ages of people who become radicalized by Extremist groups.
I think what you point out at 2:15 is often overlooked. As soon as the pirates realize they can die, they surrender. Granted the entire point of their fighting was them trying to lift the curse, so they got what they wanted, whether they’re hanged after they’re freed from purgatory is probably less important to them.
But it’s kind of a subversion of expectations; the British marines are actually decently defending themselves against enemies who are literally unbeatable, and then once it becomes a “fair fight” it’s not a dramatic “they have a chance now” moment and they’re gradually able to gain the upper hand in the battle, the pirates just immediately give up.
Because they know that if they were only *kind of* winning when it was literally impossible for them to lose, they have no chance in hell when they’re not essentially cheating lol.
That’s another stupid movie trope that needs to stop. British soldiers were trained to defend and/or kill the enemy so them acting like bumbling fools against pirates is horribly inaccurate.
It really should be the pirates acting like bumbling fools since they didn’t had any sort of military training, they were just sailors; maybe some did deserted but very few in number
@@mageilluswell, they’re hardened undead pirates who have probably been in endless battles, so it’s fair that they may actually be more organized, skilled, and experienced than the English Navy
@@jean-pierrepouye2453 you are really underestimating navy training. Pirates’ main goal was for their enemy to surrender without a fight so there wouldn’t be any “endless battles”
@mageuillus pirates had plenty of training - being a privateer was one of the best options for a retired sailor, and so most pirates of that period and area were veterans. Their lamd tactics also show a big level of discipline and sophistication - check out the video on this channel. They didn't avoid combat because of a lack of skills but because it was counterintuitive for making the most money. The problem was their expertise and ability was nowhere close to that of a Royal Marine, who's profession was marksmanship and boarding ships.
@@buckplug2423 You’re talking about two complete different eras of piracy when it comes to training; even if the old buccaneers passed down their knowledge to the new generation, their combat habits just couldn’t be comparable.
Many buccaneers of the 1680s were veterans of the 30 years war and the English Civil War, they used guerrilla tactics to take over and burn Spanish cities.
Pirates from 1715 onwards on the other hand never had any real wartime experience (besides pea-shooting other ships) and just had basic weapons training, if any. They relied on weak merchants to surrender without a fight.
The design of the medallions is based on the Aztec Stone of the Sun, a stunning piece of art. But most of the time Aztec iconography shows skulls from the side instead of the front. Also the Aztecs didn't have a lot of gold. They had some but the neighbouring Mixtecs of Oaxaca produced a lot more. The design of the chest that holds the medallions is based on the Gate of the Sun in Tiwanaku, Bolivia. It's a cool design but it has no conection to the Aztecs.
On my birthday? A HISTORICAL ANALYSIS OF ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOVIES?? Gold and Gunpowder, you spoil me!
happy late birthday🎉😂
Dude, the island where the conquistadors found nothing but a dead man, that is prime material for a ghost story!
Yeah, or even something that's actually interesting!!
I thought it was obvious that the body was Barbossa's 🤣
I do have to say that in the movies the Pirates seemed aware that the age of piracy is dying. (i e. not the golden age)
Becket himself said so, map gets filled out, less places to hide...
Barbossa made a case for the brethren court to bring back the good old times (with Calypso's help).
Other points well taken. 😅
jack and barbossa literally discuss this, "there's just less in it"
all the characters now. jack knows, he's terrified of it, which is why he was desperate to be the captain of the duchman in the subsequent films!
The whole talk at the site of the dead kraken was about this, and it's a damn good conversation.
I think Elizabeth's corset should get a pass as the dress and corset were a suprise and so wasnt tailored for her, the fashion itself was unfamiliar to her and i imagine the servants were similarly unsure of how exactly to tighten and fit it comfortably. Her second similar dress we see appears much more comfortable as I imagine the character learned her lesson from the first corset incident. Just what I took from it.
As an upper class woman living in the Caribbean, the style of dress wouldn't have been unfamiliar to her. She would have been wearing the same style of clothing as women of her social class living back in England, and her measurements would be with a dress maker (or several dress makers) back in London who would make up dresses that would be sent out to her. All women of all social classes wore corsets from early childhood, including Elizabeth and all the female servants so their is no way that her abigail (the servant who dressed her and looked after her clothing) would have been unfamiliar with how to tighten a corset.
The idea that a teenage girl would be uncomfortable and unfamiliar with standard clothes of her day is just not plausible. It's a totally unrealistic scene.
A corset would never have been a surprise to a rich woman at this time.
They just used the ' Oh no, my corset is too tight now I have to faint' as a cheap plotdevice. What Elisabeth wore was actually called stays and she (and the female servants) would have worn them every Day. Elisabeth's stays, as all of her clothes, were handsewn and fitted specifically to her. As were all clothes in the 18th century.Think of stays as nothing more than an old timey bra.
Another historically accurate detail about this movie is Jack the Monkey and Mr. Cotton’s parrot! Pirates did sometimes kept exotic animals as pets!!
4:30 I don’t think it’s a misinterpretation, more like they were just trying to “modernise” their looks and make them look cool, with tall letter boots instead of those somewhat silly looking gaiters, that just look like big socks
Pirate thigh highs
Gaiters look better than tall boots
I went sailing recently with a group from the Scouts organization as an adult advisor. Every meal we made in the galley of the sloop I gave all the crew a pirate fact from your channel. Thank you for educating me on such an interesting subject :)
6:10 I once read an idea that, because as they say in the film, corsets are a brand new fashion that maybe Elizabeth's maidservants didn't know how to correctly put on the corset and so tied it too tightly. No idea it that was the intention but it makes the scene run more smoothly for me lol 😂
As a Dutchman myself I would be very extremely interested in some history from my homeland. Maybe a video on the “watergeuzen” Dutch and Flemish pirates plundering French and spanish shipping in primarily the North Sea.
I met a watergeuzen expert once, Caroline Marris is her name. They are absolutely fascinating and I second this notion.
If you ever travel in a plane people can call you “The Flying Dutchman”
@@Nero_Karelah thank you so much for the tip!
As a fellow Dutchman I like that idea too, but this channel only focus on Caribbean pirates. There were however Dutch Pirates / Buccanneers in the Caribbean. For example Rock the Brazillian. They need some more attention and I hope this channel will make videos about them.
Good god I’m obsessed with the original POTC trilogy… so this video put a huge smile on my face. Great video!
Oh hey, I saw a few of your videos. Before releasing this series I tried contacting you for a collab, since I don't do any analysis of the cinematic qualities I wanted to refer to someone I does incase people desire that sort of content. But I don't think you responded or I missed it.
The sailors not wearing primarily red is a necessary sacrifice against historical accuracy. Red was is notoriously hard to capture on and have it come out right on screen. Even today, most movies dont have much of the color red in costumes as a primary color unless absolutely necessary but is used in small amounts as an accent. Its the same reason that Transformers (2007) made Optimus a blue truck with red flames instead of a solid red truck
Spanish speaker here. Isla de Muerta would not mean "island of death". Instead, it would be "Island of the dead woman", or any female dead entity. It is a weird name in spanish, because using "muerta" on its own without an article would turn it into an adjective (persona muerta-dead person). The correct way to say "island of the dead woman" would be "Isla de la muerta". Island of death would be "Isla de la Muerte".
I have two suggestions that may help you expand your series of analyzing the historical accuracy of pirate media. The first is Roman Polanski's 1986 Film, Pirates, which is set in 1659. The other is a TV series from the late 1950s, The Adventures of Long John Silver, with Robert Newton reprising his role as Long John Silver. The latter being set in an unknown year in the late 18th century.
Edit: I was originally going to post a YT playlist I found containing all the episodes of The Adventures of Long John Silver if anyone was interested. Unfortunately, my comment ends up being deleted for no apparent reason when posting the link on my comment.
1:40 fun fact: apparently according to potc lore the skeleton next to the sign was none other than Rackham himself
I totally expected POTC to be riddled with issues, but it seems like it is actually not half bad!
Great video as always, never had too much of an interest in pirates but your channel totally changed that!
If you include Privateers of The Napoleonic wars then Master and commander is really good. Though that is almost a century after the Golden Age
never have a thought i would hear pirates be described as "cute twinks"
I think the hubris of the British at port Royal believing they had wiped out the pirates, along with the fact they are cursed and desperate to find the coin makes it plausible the raid could work
Also it’s claimed in the lore that the black sails of the black Pearl make it hard to see at night allowing it to slip into port and basically surprise attack the fort and town at close range. I think the implication is that by the time the fort is roused and fighting that pearly was already escaping.
Whether this would work in real life? 🤷♂️
Also it’s claimed in the lore that the black sails of the black Pearl make it hard to see at night allowing it to slip into port and basically surprise attack the fort and town at close range. I think the implication is that by the time the fort is roused and fighting that pearly was already escaping.
Whether this would work in real life? 🤷♂️
In real life curses don't mean anything
Hubris and desperation don’t make ships invincible to fort guns which would turn them into splinters in minutes
Very fun concept, definitrly looking forward to analysis of other pirate cinema out there. Also a great introduction to historical piracy for movie fans.
It's fun to hear that someone who clearly knows a lot about the source material, is also able to enjoy a film that gets some of the details wrong. I find it to be a shame when the inaccuracies of a thing keep the audience from enjoying something entertaining. I'm glad that this guy is able to overlook those shortcomings, and still enjoy the movie. 😁
8:11 was hilarious omg "get on with it mutherfu" DROP XD omg that was hilarious, such a perfect summation of how pirates are shown in media. It may be weird, but it reminds me of how ancient Romans are shown in media. They have fancy british accents and act like romeo lmao.
awesome video too ty.
I desperately wish I could my a Roman movie. I get we can't replicate perfectly but it's goofy. If I could I'd have them use Italian accents(you use different regions for different People for characterization) and I really want to point out just how similar the local governing of Rome was to how the Italian mob works. It's VERY reminiscent of organized crime
Wow this is perfect timing, I just rewatched the pirates trilogy and found this channel while trying to learn more about the setting.
@@fourshore502 I'm well aware of the fourth and fifth films, I simply have no desire to watch them.
I'm disgustingly obsessed with the trilogy and love this channel. I know the movies aren't accurate and there are going to be a lot of errors highlighted, but it gonna be good
"Disgustingly obsessed"
We're going to need details. COPIOUS details.
@@cleverusername9369 I’ve seen the trilogy around 35 times since the start of the pandemic
I play the fan rebirth (TLOPO) of the Disney game (POTCO) daily, and started playing with my dad back in ‘07 or so
I regularly read fandom articles
I read fan theories and shit like that
Unfortunately I haven’t read the books
I’ve watched nearly every bts, blooper reel, etc I could find online
I’ve been a fan of the series my whole life. I was born in 04, so I literally grew up with it
Ehhh, good action pirate movies.
Better than cleopetra's wanna be documentary.
Those movies couldn't be made today in Hollywood.
Not enough diversity and Will would be continuously ridiculed as being incompetent and always saved by a non binary Elizabeth who neither needs nor wants a man.
@@Peter2k84 To quote Captain Sparrow in Dead Man’s Chest, “Oh, shut it”
@Peter2k84 yep, they’d also gender and race swap some important characters and make all the men weak and helpless. You are correct most movies nowadays suck compared to movies back then
Your channel is great. Fellow historian and pirate amateur here. Your videos are such a joy to watch.
This movie is what got most people into pirate theme and made them research history of piracy.
I love these movies. It's not like they were ever trying to be accurate, it's more of a loveletter to old pirate stories, adventure films and nautical yarn. Like an Indiana Jones or the Mummy of the sea, basically. And it think they (alongside LotR and Potter) had the most memorable characters and music in recent movie history. I'd even say there's some enjoyable parts about 4 and 5, though the negatives outweigh the positives.
And I do love this channel too. I don't agree with him on everything (Shanties!) but he does make really good and honest content, and he always cites his sources. He taught me more about sea rover history and individual biographies than I ever knew before.
I'm glad you mentioned corsets not actually being constricting and breaking your bones. There's a lot of myths and misconceptions around the corset. Ones which we have largely thanks to misinformed men. They really frustrate me sometimes.
How often can that possibly be an issue that comes up for you? Furthermore what type of ultra-privileged life are you living where your frustrations are brought about through others ignorance of largely antiquated pieces of clothing?
@@danielmorris7648 a better question would be why you have such a massive sharp stick up your ass? Someone or something has obviously rustled your jimmies, and its making you quite combative and angry. Why is that?
@@danielmorris7648 Spoken like a man.
@@danielmorris7648because she takes an interest in clothes in general, historical clothing in movies or in general? Nothing to do with being privileged. Those discussions come on often even today when woman use waist trainers etc
I feel like Pirates is set in its own timeline and world rather then one that has anything other than a passing basis in reality
This is the first I've heard it was set in a specific year, lol
Poseidon's Trident exists in the Pirates universe, and Calypso is a Greek water nymph. It's my personal head canon that the rest of the Greek pantheon exists in this setting, and we are only witnessing interactions with sea related entities.
It continually boggles my mind how your excellent videos have such low views. 15.000 for such informative and well narrated material ...
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Isla de muerta actually means Island of the Dead. Death in spanish means "muerte", Muerta means a dead woman
14:04 I recall you once criticizing the mythbusters once in a previous video. Hilariously they tested this scene and found the air was actually too buoyant for two grown men to weigh it down. You could probably fine the clip of them underwater pretty easily.
You don't fill the whole canoe with air.
99% of everything Mythbusters is shit.
Love to see that people are coming to this channel in large numbers, if you’re the only person doing something really well people WILL take notice. These videos are well researched and executed and will continue to gain the attention they deserve for years. They’re for all time baby
Many things regarding the crew of the Black Pearl making illogical choices can be explained away due to the unique nature of the pirates and the ship, both of which are magical. The ship was brought back from the depths by Davy Jones and was made equally as fast and durable as his own ship, and the pirates themselves can’t get killed, so they weren’t concerned for their safety.
As far as the destruction of the town goes, they weren’t looking to plunder it, they were looking for the cursed medallion, and they called off the attack as soon as they got it.
I would love to hear what you have to say about Davy Jones and his crew who’ve been cursed to have been at sea for over 10 years. No doubt some interesting complications with costume design and what not i’d assume.
Historical analysis of Sid Meier's Pirates could make for interesting video too!
While I agree with you on the unfeasibility of the bombardment of Port Royal, I wouldn't put it past the crew of the Black Pearl to destroy the city. They came to the city in the first place searching for that medallion, not general plunder, and they obviously have a way of tracking the cursed gold. As you have said, pirates were lazy and took shortcuts, and after ten years of being cursed I'd imagine they'd be frustrated with their fate and thus make rash decisions.
I'm surprised it was THAT accurate, but in any case I loved them all to varying degrees.
Just found this channel and sometimes the algorithm has it right. Going to have to binge this all on my next day off. God bless and keep up the good work!
Did this man really just use "cute twinks" unironically?
God how I love this channel...
I still remember jumping in my seat after watching this movie as a kid.
15:33 could’ve used empty clay jars too as Bartholomew Portugués used when escaping prison since he didn’t know how to swim
Love this, so insightful! Can't wait to see you do videos on the rest of the movies!
(And maybe Black Sails too 🤞)
Yessss I've been wating for this video forever, thank you
There's so many awesome pirate movies!! Looking forward to this
Probably got asked alot but can you do a video on pirate fashion throughout the century?
what they wore, why, what everyone else was wearing (in the colonies, like the spanish and so on)
The movie characters or movie characters that were based on novel characters would usually be either younger or older than the actors that portray them; and many of the Harry Potter adult cast members for example are older in age than their characters. The ones that are closer to age accurate is Mad-Eye Moody, Gilderoy Lockhart, Syble Trelawny, and Dolores Jane Umbridge.
I think the trick with a capsized rowboat used as a diving bell was also used in another pirate movie. Much older one. I don't remember what was it, tho. Might have been "The Crimson Pirate"!
Interesting take. I like how you give it credit when need arises. Great evaluation on information we have now. A couple of things that came to my mind (sorry for absurdly long comment: 1. I do not think the makers originally had any idea what year the movie took place. As I am a bit older than some other folks in the community (I am not far from 30), and I have watched some behind the scenes documentaries, I can say that in the early 2000s up to the era when the 4th movie was made in 2011, places like fandom Wikipedia said Curse takes place in about 1740. This even ended up in video game mod of Akella’s Pirate games with Jack Sparrow. I do believe 1728 date was determined later by Wikipedia editors when more historical context was given in later films, like the kings of Spain and England. None of the makers have ever really said what year the film is supposed to take place in. The only indicator about the late 1720s setting I have encountered was an odd comment in Potc 3 behind the scenes documentary (which I recorded as a kid in a VHS tape back in 2007) where one maker (not a major one like a writer or the director) speaks of Sao Feng’s bathhouse as being “1720s waterpark”. In many other places even the writers make references like "industrialization is coming", which to me kinda reference to a more vague idea of the mid 18th century when the film was made. 2. I also recall a short section of a deleted scene with a shark hanging around the plank scene, but it was indeed not in the actual film cut. 3. Historically there is a post period image of 1820s pirates dressing as women passengers to hide their intentions. 4. Indeed, very few forts were attacked by pirates in early 1700s, but a few that were small and that were in Africa, like the Fort Delagoa were raided by pirates like Taylor and La Buze, so some were targets sometimes at least. But his was nothing like seen in the film, which was more indeed like buccaneer raids of Morgan or others. (5. BTW. I think the park ride the film was based on was more inspired by buccaneers than later pirates, unlike the movie.). 6. I would also note that Black Pearl as a black ship at night and the crew as cursed undead men could afford to be a bit reckless, so story-wise it makes sense. Anyway, messy stuff and fun analysis. 7. To be fair I personally think the historical videos from the channel are more interesting than pop culture analyses, but I know this will help the channel to grow, as I know others are very interested. I hope these videos get more people into the channel. All the best. Cheers!🏴☠
The Mythbusters tried to do the boat stunt and couldn't do it without a lot of weight.
pirate myth deboonked by the mythboosters
Can't wait to see you cover more movies or games.
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You mind running that by me, again? 🤔
So weird, I just watched this movie for the first time a couple nights ago!
oh my god I love this series already!
14:00 theres a good mythbusters episode on this, if youre actually interested
I'm new to the channel so I don't know if you've covered the Cartagena de Indias siege. If you haven't, can you make about it? Since it's my city, I'd love to hear more. Cheers
This will be a scallywag type adventure
I'm watching The Buccaneer now. Thanks for recommending it. New to me! I ❤ the costumes and colors
Walking with the boat under water, tip air out as needed to maintain ballast and stay on the bottom, dump the rest of the air to leave the boat at the bottom.
Not sure why but Barbosa is the coolest pirate name I think .this name still lives on today
Could you do an analysis on the unicorn battle from the tintin movie, the secret of the unicorn, it has details other films omit like having redcoats on the ship
If I recall correctly the battle there is set in the 16th century and the fashion there is all over the place with soldiers wearing more 18th century garb exile pirates are wearing stereotypical pirate clothes.
Bonus points if you also compare it to the original comic and maybe also to other adaptations (such as the cartoon.)
In the movie it was Isla De Muerta (Which was the name of the goddess De La Muerta of the Spanish/Mexican the land of the Remembered part of the underworld) instead of Isla De Muerto.
Period standard uniforms and armor are usually the sort of costumes that are easier to replicate than spend 100 hours trying to search for the sort of footwear that was worn during a specific time period or era and besides boots are the footwear that us modern folk recognize from the usual myths that we read is what stems our common based idea of what pirates looked like. Like many people around the world, Hollywood is more interested in the nostalgic idea of what pirates looked like than the history surrounding the pirates of the 1600s-1700s.
Good video,
Though, as the average deckhand on the ship would be mid twenties, how about the officers and the captain? Would that not average 35 or even 40?
Ive been waiting for this
3:03 what island is that blue one shown on the map?
What really doesn't make sense is how Curse Of the Black Pearl is set in the 1720s(ish), and yet by the 5th film Jack is put into a guillotine which wasn't even invented until 1789, and wasn't used until 1792. So does that mean that 70 years has passed between CotBP and DMTNT?! We can just assume the guillotine was added to the film for the sake of the gag, and historical accuracy was thrown out of the window, much like Barbossa's bicorn hat which also appears 70 years before it's supposed to. The writing and accuracy went downhill after the 3rd film. When a film about an octopus man and a kraken are more historically accurate than your pirate story, you know you're in trouble.
3:15 “cute twinks” bro couldve used any other term but went with the gayest one he could think of
Love your channel , great knowledge here, thank you!👌🏻👏🏻👍🏻
I still can't believe it's really been 20 years!
Question about the tricorn hats and how they were worn:
Weren't the points of the tricorns kinda rotated whichever way would allow the sun to stay out of their eyes? Meaning that while it would be inaccurate for everyone to wear a point forward, as you mention, wouldn't it also be somewhat inaccurate to say that they would have a flat side forward?
That was a smooth transition to an ad
I’m surprised you didn’t talk about the Pearl. Like the torn up sails and water logged bilge and all the holes poked thru it
12:02 He should be thankful that Captain Teague did not hear his candy ass say that .
oh yeah, in the later, non existent 5th movie, on set, gibbs actually told the actor for Carina smyth that she couldnt say "ok"
Always wanted to see this type of videos from you, I'm 💯 percent with this series, hoping for Black sails and One Piece In the future
No need to do Our Flag Means Death. The fandom will gladly tell you it's as historically accurate as Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter. 😅
This was fascinating, thanks for uploading!
11:50 if these names are spanish given as they seem, they are said in a different way, in "isla" the "s" is fully pronounced, all names are understandable enough tho.
Some mote insights on the costumes and what they did wrong would be so great
I read in a general history of pyrates that the walking the plank thing came from Julius Caesar's time. Which I believe is where the trope came from.
Man he should totally design a video game or something with all that knowledge
He knows pretty much everything about pirates 😂
I’d give us pirate enthusiasts some credit: I know that the fashion was different between periods-because fashion in general is typically different.
I mean, you wouldn’t see someone in the 1720s wearing a pilgrim outfit from the 1620s.
I've been waiting for this to happen. And I give it a 12 out of 10. The Curse of the Black Pearl got some things right, just not all. Do look forward to a more in depth analysis. And I will agree with you, Curse of the Black Pearl is a slight step up from Black Sails.
Can you do Captain Hook and his crew/ship? :-)
Somehow the theme park ride got the plundering scene more correct than the movie: the pirates first take out the Spanish garrison, then proceed to loot the town and hold its citizens for ransom before finally burning the town
Do you plan on analyzing the other two movies and/or assassin's creed 4?
Actually Curse is based on the original Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disneyland. It may be that that ride was inspired by Captain Blood, though.
Would be great to see you analyze some pirate themed video games!
The thing is that Pirates of the Caribbean was not really meant to be historical. It does not take place in history but in a fantasy world were old sailor-tales and folklore are real, which is just such a fun idea to explore.
Looking forward to the video on the ships!
The Black Pearl when not in its cursed state taking on The Flying Dutchman should be next to impossible.... in the Dutchman's cursed state anyway because the Dutchman was Bigger and also the fact that the Curse its self is what makes the ship's armor seem tougher than reinforced steel. The B P pirates would have run out of supplies before they could as so much but a dent into the Dutchman's main mast or aft mast.
Great analysis on as always and I get the impression that the oars were more for dramatic effect of overtaking the other ship, since when does the cinema industry do actual research? 😄 Nice to see that the battle scene isn't a write off.👍
I might be in the minority but I think the first PotC movie should’ve been left as a stand-alone film. The other films complicate the story of its setting too much.
Yes thank you I’ve been waiting on this one
Why is that particular adaptation of Treasure Island your favorite? Have you seen the one from 1950?