I mean tbh Pete’s a rare example of being born in the wrong generation. His playstyle perfectly fits today, his era limited him. He would be better today
He was more limited by his teams than his era. & by that I mean, he wasn't hampered by old school game plan & conventional wisdom. His coaches generally knew what they had in Pete. Being on terrible teams is really what gets Pistol overlooked imo. If he'd gotten even 1 or 2 rings, I think people would look at him differently. That being said, I fully believe Pistol Pete would crush in today's NBA
THIS ^ he was 40+ years ahead of his time Dude was shamgodding the rock without cupping, and I've still not seen anyone else bullseye a tween-the-legs dish on a full run right in the scoring pocket [he does both in the 68-piece that he dropped on the knicks] A healthy Pistol in today's era would average 35+/8/11 with ease.
ESPN “analysts” aren’t actually there to analyze the game. They are there to give hot takes and say outlandish things to get views and trend on social media. There is no point in watching their content.
Kidd can't compare to Steph in stats overall, but realistically, I'm not sure you could take Steph, drop him on the 2002 Nets team and have Steph alone transform them from a 26 win team, into a team that wins 52 games and reaches back to back Finals as that team's only All Star. Also Kidd versus Steph defensively is night and day.
@@howdydoo9148 The Nets had 26 Wins in 2001 and Stephon Marbury was an All Star that year for them at PG. All they did was swap one "All Star PG" in Marbury for an All Star PG in Jason Kidd and they doubled their win total and reached back to back Finals. I just don't know if Steph could ever singlehandedly take a team from worst to first in one off-season... Also the year after the Nets lost in the Finals in 2003, the Pistons won it all in 2004. So the Conference wasn't really that weak. Plus if you want to talk about weak, look at the roster around Kidd on those Finals teams.
I think this is a big issue with all these notions you see online. Kidd and Curry don’t even play the same way and stats especially don’t tell everything. We don’t need to devalue someone, to prop up another. Not everyone’s career was or is going to be the same. I think all these topics/debates have become too conflated now.
Yeah you can’t really compare them. They both fill different roles. kidd completely destroys steph on defense, rebounding, and passing. Kidd has a top 5 basketball IQ in history. Steph is a way more lethal driver and shooter. It all depends on what you prefer
@@howdydoo9148exactly and I don't think Steph could carry that squad to the finals. You are talking like he hasn't had arguably the 2nd best shooter of all time beside him basically his whole career plus when dray was at his peak was an all.tine great defender. Jkidd does everything besides shoot better than Steph..that's undeniable. Better passer, playmaker, defender basketball IQ off the charts. Steph is just transcendent on the shooting side. But jkidd really had it all and probably would have average a triple double multiple years if he played today.
Pete was better than everyone today. Steph Is a joke. He isn't any better than his dad, and his dad had to play against defense. Imagine stephanie getting hit by a real man. He'd quit
Pete played with no 3 point line, you are insane for cherry picking your arguments and not bringing this up. Its not a bad take from Russo can be debated for sure, but one thing i know for a fact, put Pete in todays NBA with all the fitness, nutrition, rules and other stuff, his numbers go up dramatically.
When comparing players from different eras you have to adjust things based on how the rules operated, the style of the game, etc. For instance, you have to devalue to a certain degree modern scoring stats, as the rules were changed to allow for easier offense and have hamstrung defensive play. There is no question curry operated for his whole career in an environment where it's easier to score and harder to defend than for greats in past eras. That's not debatable. That's why I still consider someone like bird a better shooter than curry, because bird shot like that when defenders could defend. It's even more pronounced for guys like Lebron who thrive on driving to the basket. It's so very much easier to get to the rim these days than it was back in the day
Agree with the argument but not the bird example. The 3pt line is the name of the game today - offense and defense. Look at most of birds 3's and you'll see mediocre defense that far out. Not because they couldn't but because it wasn't the focus. Steph shoots waaaay more difficult shots than bird at way high volume and efficiency. If you wanna make the case that bird is a better overall scorer? Debatable? The better player? I'll agree. The better shooter? Absolutely not
Alot of sports media personalities need to be stopped but not him... he's bout the only one that actually shows any love to the past players. All these idiots tryin to say that today's players are jus sooo much better than players of the past need to go on somewhere, they don't know what they're talkin about, the don't kno the history of the sport... they're clueless... they are on national TV lying to everyone... it needs to stop
Mad Dog Russo's takes are refreshing and provide a little balance for all the tv personalities that are biased towards post-2000s basketball. I'm a millennial yet I still find it disrespectful when young people discredit all the players pre-1980 just to build up their favorite players LeBron/Curry/KD/Luka/etc.
Refreshing because they certainly are different. But they're so stupidly comical on the other end of the spectrum that it's hard to take them any more seriously.
Curry isn't a PG. He's a shooting guard playing PG. He would not have lasted in any of the other eras of the players listed. Isiah, Stockton, Payton, Magic and Kidd are all better PGs. Hell Lebron is actually statistically a better PG. Any team since 2005 is not defensively dominating at all. The idea that defense is played currently or at any time during Curry's career is completely nonsensical. They have had to invent stat categories to make the argument that defense is still played. It's a joke.
It really depends on what you consider a "point guard." If someone values setting up the offense and playing defense at that position over scoring... then yeah J Kidd and even CP3 have the edge. Steph plays unconventional like a shooting guard so it's hard to compare him with traditional pgs.
I agree, and to me, Steph isn't really a PG. Kidd can't score like Steph, but Steph can't singlehandedly raise his team's level of play by himself to the point that Kidd could imo. He raises the Warriors level with his gravity through scoring, but Kidd did it primarily with playmaking for others, and by being one of the best defenders ever. Steph is really a SG imo.
@imdbtruth Kidd in this era wouldn't do jack shit. Steph led GS to the Finals twice before and won a chip and Kidd did it to and never won. Stop the bs
@@Spider-Nalgas He couldn't score like that. In this era he isn't even checking any of these PGs, and leading a team dawg. Legit for his generation fahso.but I know that Steph, Dame Luka, Ja and Murray are busting his ass and they're just in the West lmao. He's not replicating that in this era
@@savonsanders3955 Respectfully, I think that’s a goofy take to think just because he wasn’t a necessarily a scorer, means he wasn’t good. That’s just what a lot of todays PG’s have been and stats don’t even tell everything for all players impact/style of play. Kidd was a big point guard and yet was a triple double threat every night. He was also on the all-defensive teams over 9 times. Kidd had a similar impact on the court/game like Magic did with their passing and playmaking.
Its not crazy to have Kidd over Steph. Kidd was never a scorer but he could if he had to. I love Steph but he can't guard his own position and if his shot is not falling he's damn near invisible on the court. I can't say that about Kidd.
For real, if Kidd played in his prime with a lot of other great players, there's no telling how many rings he could've won, but go look at who Kidd played the most minutes with during his prime years, it's not that good. *Players Kidd played the most minutes with in his career* 1. Jason Collins 2. Richard Jefferson 3. Clifford Robinson 4. Lucious Harris *Compared to players Curry's played with the most with in his career* 1. Draymond Green 2. Klay Thompson 3. Andre Iguodala 4. Shawn Livingston And Kidd could've pulled a KD and joined the Spurs in the 2003 off-season after his Nets lost to them in 6 games in the 2003 Finals... It would've been the easiest path ever to several rings, but Kidd ultimately couldn't sign with the team that just beat him. He took his own path, wins an improbable ring with Dallas at age 38 while playing 35 minutes per game, and people still don't want to give him his props for it.
Stephen Curry is generally a good defender, and even if his shot ain't falling, he's a good play-maker too. People tend to underrate him and only look at his shooting when he does other things pretty well too.
I respect old players because they paid the way for todays nba. However, there are players from the past that ain’t close to curry. Yeah 3 pointers weren’t a thing at all, but the ball handling is insane, the passing, the rebounds, etc
But you're not realizing how easy it is to play now compared to 20-30 years ago. Just look at statistics other UA-camrs have covered the game is ridiculous now it's not even worth watching. I struggled to watch basketball now all it is is offense offense offense it's so damn boring. And full honesty I probably shouldn't be commenting but I want clips of old games and I'm like that so fun that looks so good and I see stuff now and it's not good it's definitely not for me
99 percent of ball handling today would be fking illegal in 70s bro, yes no 3 point line, so curry in 70s would be a literal bum as he cant spam 3s and drive to the rim easily, while being defensive liability. pete on the other hand would thrive in this era
@igobread-zt2lv when I sat down to watch a game now I see offense and it can be exciting but that's it. As a casual fan the defense is not noticeable unless it's a big block. Be well all
The disrespect of Jason Kidd in this video is *CRAZY!* I understand if you think Steph is a better PG, as he is one of the greatest players ever, but my issue is that this guy didn't even attempt to make a case for Kidd!
If we are talking PURE point guards Curry is lucky to make the list because a PG in the old days when ROLES was a thing you had to make team mates better, control the pace, make the game easier for team mates as well as be an on the court coach scoring was a bonus back then but ppl today see all these COMBO GUARDS “playing” point and think that’s how it’s done smh
I think the debates don’t even need to be that damn serious anymore. As long as Curry is in their top 5 or at least recognized, then I’m good. They can have Kidd or Stockton as their GOAT PG but as long as they can recognize someone like Curry for example, as one of the absolute best. Especially since comparing Kidd and Curry isn’t even fair to both of them.
You did not consider that Marovich was the opposing defense's primary focus on every possession. Also, how much better would Marovich be on Golden St.?
Jason Kidd was the second or third-best Player any given night on Dallas. Now you're showing extreme bias cuz that offense did not work without kid running it
I understand Mad Dog's point of view. He's looking at the point guard spot with a old school perspective. A player who sets up his team's plays as his primary role. Not that I agree with his list, but I don't disagree with the greatness of the players he mentioned.
Pistol Pete could of been the GOAT honestly. For real. If he wasn't drafted to a team in Atlanta a predominantly black team. And paid so damn much. His teammates hated him there.. Then he dealt with injuries & that's it. That was his career. And he still averaged like 25ppg having said all that..
Pete Marovich had a slightly lower PPG average throughout his career than Stephen Curry did. Oh, and he did not average 31 PPG throughout his career lol
This video was a miss. I think mad dogs list was actually very good. Not the one I would make, but a good one. And I think he gave curry a lot of respect to put him at number 5.
My 8th grade coach in 2005 used to make us watch Pistol Pete ball handling training videos and we would do them 😂 He definitely isn’t talked about enough thats forsure..
I definitely agree that Curry is better than Pete but what i dont agree is using ppg stats for the argument without the context of the lack of having a 3pt line in Pete career. Averaging over 30 w/o 3 pointers is very impressive. But Steph shoots (and makes) a lot of 3s to boost up his Scoring averages
In the illustrious words of Mad Dog Russo, "But he aint no Bob Cousy" IMO, from a historical standpoint, it's much easier to compare Steph to SGs. His primary role is as a shooter, which is traditionally a SG's role. Also, all things considered, Steph has differed PG responsibilities to his teammates (Livingston, Igoudala, Draymond). But yeah, Mad Dog be wildin.
Magic literally won a Championship without Kareem when he was a Rookie by playing all 5 positions and took over the series so.... Magic #1 and it ain't even close.
Pistol Pete had a boatload of negatives too. Charley Rosen used to go and on about how Maravich wasn't on the same page as his teammates (just like White Chocolate), and we only see the highlights, not the countless errant passes that he routinely made. His defense was non-existent outside of gambling for steals. There's a reason why the Hawks were ready to move off of him. You could make an argument that they preferred Lou Hudson; I mean, they did keep him for longer. Who ever mentions Lou Hudson? At the same time, Curry has benefitted - maybe more than any player in the history of the NBA - from the game shifting to his strengths. Many stars and superstars over the past decade, have been able to put their skillset on full display, bumping up their numbers (similar to the early '60s NBA stats), while previous eras there was only so much you could do if you were a perimeter player. The main reason we see so much creatively from perimeter players today, is because the game had to shift away from it being a centers league. If you look at 2011 for example, you might have Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, Marcin Gortat, and Al Jefferson as the 4 best (pure) centers in the NBA. That's a bit of a joke. Since there was never that next great influx of centers coming in after the '90s, it was only a matter of time that the game went in a different direction. Would any '90s coach allow Curry to launch away in the first place? Maybe Don Nelson or Paul Westhead? Danny Ainge probably (he played 4 guards at the same time here and there). I wouldn't say that Maravich played in the wrong era necessarily, but that his skillset would be better served/utilitized in today's (EXTREMELY) wide-open game; especially when it comes to his shooting range. The '70s had a number of creative players, doing their own things (that's not taught in AAU camps), and both the NBA and ABA cut into each other's talent pool; which is why Kareem's 6 MVPs are a bit of a joke frankly; he should have owned the '70s. The Warriors have become overrated IMO. I wonder if Nash's SUNS came along several years later, would they have had similar success as the Warriors? Strictly as a PG, I think Nash is better than Curry. If the Warriors played the '80s Celtics, as much as the Warriors would launch away from 3, what are they doing in the interior? Draymond Green also came along at the right time.
That’s why no-one likes ESPN anymore…they hired Mad Dog Russo to shell out tired old-head takes so that he can cause a stir 🤦🏾♂️…it’s become transparently annoying
Ranking the top point guard isn't only bout scoring though. I don't think you can just go by titles either. I also don't think Steph was carrying the Warriors. They have a team philosophy as well. Scoring numbers are a little inflated now. There is less parity also. It's almost like going back to the 60s. I agree the Bulls should be on the team list, but I think we tend to over hype the Warriors. That's why they make such a big deal of Lebron losing to them.
I listened to Chris when I lived in NY and he was on WFAN. He loves basketball players from that generation. Every era has different styles and different rules. They did not have 3-point shots back then and defense was played much tougher and the rules allowed all sorts of contact not allowed now. Maravich, like Julius Irving, came along to early to make the money and have the fame of later players. Maravich was a great player.
UC Hoops, I love your channel, but understand not everyone is going to have the same opinion as you. With Russo, I just think that he’s trying to educate and make some of this era’s viewers appreciate his generation. I wouldn’t take him too seriously. What I will never understand with you is, you are flawless and unbiased with the MJ debate, but I don’t feel like you hold the same energy with others. You used Zeke’s 89 season to show that he was not better than Curry, and you said it was more of a team effort. I feel that is a slightly biased take, because I know you are aware of Zeke’s 1990 season when he was the best player, and the finals MVP. He averaged around 27.6 PPG, 5.2 boards, and 7 APG. He also shot 60% from the 3. He was better than Curry in the clutch, consistently, and he was the best player in the Final Four, winning a college title, as the best player. I’m not arguing who is better, but you using the 89 season, and not mentioning his better season is showing bias to Zeke, in my opinion, but when it’s MJ, you are always on point. Be that way for all debates and not just MJ
horrible breakdown with no context surrounding Pete’s team which were nobodies compared to Steph having 2 other all stars, one of them being considered the 2nd greatest shooter ever. There was no 3 point line either and shot clock and the game was way more physical then.
I agree with just about all your points but must add context to the Pistol Pete comparison. The rules on hand checking and physicality were much different during Pete's era. Small ball wasn't plausible and the 3pt shot didn't really exist. It did take Steph until his 5th season to actually make the playoffs and some great moves from his GM to surround him with defenders and playmakers in an era where the dominant big was pretty much extinct. Just imagine if Pete had a Draymond to free him up to get more looks...and threes were encouraged....and there were no dominant Centers in the paint....In different circumstances Maravich could have been "Steph like". The talent was there but not the conditions.... How would Steph had fared back then?
UH, I get the point of your video. But Russo has some logic. I don't always agree with him, but that list isn't too bad a list. Curry is a great PG for TODAY'S NBA. You aint dropping Steph on the Pistons and expecting him to do what Zeke did, or get a triple dub like Oscar Robertson or turn a franchise around as fast as J-Kidd did. He was a truly pass first PG and even tho he doesn't have chips, J-Kidd is in my Top 5 PG's of all time. Guys that play this sport get it. So I'm not too mad at Mad Dog for that list. But some players can be shifted around for accuracy...and honestly Curry's career isn't over yet, so he's fortunate to even get on that all-time list. Your criticism is a bit premature on this one.
Random but at 7:22 as a Grizzlies fan I remember that buzzer beater shot against us in the playoffs in 2015 😡 it was at the end of the 3rd quarter in game 6. Jeff Green got fouled it wasn’t called and Curry hit that 😂 It changed the momentum of the 4th and we lost the series.
I have to say, I'm not liking some of your arguments here. Saying Russo is doing "old head" arguments and then ignoring some factors from previous eras seems disingenuous. Pete was a shooter with no 3pt line who still could average 30 when there was no such thing as a flagrant foul. Same can be said for Big O. The man was dropping 30pt TDs with 250lb giants trying to smash him. I also think just disregarding JKidd's defence and passing and some of Isaiah's other skills is a bit silly too. You're acting like Steph is undeniably the 2nd PG ever. And talking about playoff results in a scorers debate. That's the goalpost moving you complain so much about from analysts like Wright and Perk.
@@mirrorportal1587 NO ZION KAWJI PG13 MORANT BRON AD PLUS JOKIC DIDNT HAD MURRAY OR PORTER. CELTICS LOST FATIGUE VS GREAT EAST TEAMS. CURRY PLAYED VS DEPLETED WEST 80% ALLSTARS INJURED
A sports analyst is not a sports guesser. Analyzing current vs players from different decades is nothing more than egocentric. To really say it is possible is laughable. ESPN has advocated their sportscasters because they insist or at least try to convince us these guys are good. It is nothing more than advertising dollars because we take the bait and try to outdo them. I for one just appreciate the talent, aggressiveness and determination of impact players currently in the league. Let’s just cheer these guys on.
Russo has a point because Curry doesn't even lead his team in assists most seasons. Just because hes the shortest person on the team doesn't make him a point guard But the true best PG of all time is John Stockton. The numbers speak for themselves
Steph Curry one of the most overrated players of all time. Hes not ahead of Magic, Oscar, Isiah Thomas or John Stockton. You cant be a the GOAT at your position if you cant even guard your own position. He ducked Kyrie the entire 2017 finals after Kyrie cooked him the year before.
Can you blame him. Russo is pete’s boyfriend . He’ll never turn . These shows keep feeding the public garbage debates on who’s the goat ,who’s better, and all that nonsense. So shallow!
After currys 2nd mvp and last ring. U really cant put zeke ahead of him. Ur right about team effort. Greatest defense ever. Prime dennis. Zeke never won a reg season mvp. Curry cant ever be lower than #2
You can't sleep on John Stockton. That guy has the most assists AND the most steals (of ANYBODY) in NBA history. If Michael Jordan hadn't been there, they might've even gotten a ring or two.
Curry "flow of the offense" next to Klay, arguably the best pure shooter wing ever, made Steph's shots so much easier to be efficient than Pistol Pete who WAS the offense with little to no help almost his entire career. That stuff matters. Imagine if he had Dr.J in Atlanta like he was supposed to before the ABA stopped that?
Lies. In 2021 without Klay help space the floor Steph averaged 32, 6 and 6 on 48/42/92 shooting splits and had GS in the 5th seed before missing 10 games, with that tailbone injury. Do y'all watch their games or just say shit off feelings lol?
@@savonsanders3955 ONE season? Was that the season he got bounced from the Play-In when he had 2 games to win 1 game to advance? I moved to the Bay 2012 when there were more DRose jerseys than Curry ones around here. I loved Curry from college up until he begged KD to join him. I have watched most of about 70% of his games since then at least a quarter to a half. If you have watched Curry as much as I have then you KNOW with your own eyes that Curry is the most logically likely to have the record for Most Airballs in NBA history due to his green light and sheer volume of shots from his and his coaches' confidence in his shooting. You have never seen anyone shoot as many Airballs as Curry, right? Or are you in your feelings now? P.S: Every Airball a Pro shoots is an Acute Chokejob and imo should be counted as both a Missed FG AND a TO no matter which team catches the loose ball. Synergy game tracking is going back to older seasons so they will have the video proof that no one has shot more Airballs than Curry eventually, but you would know that if you actually watched most of Curry's games like me. His games are on all over the Bay since they started winning after trading Monta.
@@savonsanders3955 Did you notice the year Curry shot the most 3s per game he averaged 5/13 from 3? Dude missed 8 3's, many of them Airballs & Bricks, for every 5 he made. Curry groomed kids and easily amused fans to be cool with watching MORE Missed Shots from the lower % 3pt line, including many more Airballs & Bricks, He shot 0-9 from 3 in a Finals game. Before Curry when players shot an Airball they would get killed by the crowd for the next few possessions with "Airball!" chants but when Curry shoots one now most "fans" just shrug it off like no big deal.
Look ball handling Pete was amazing his scoring was nice more three point shooting today but in today's NBA it's easier for offense to move . Pistol Pete was the original white chocolate . I think in today's NBA pistol Pete would dominate anyone.
Honestly steph is soo underrated as a pg when he really has been a top 5 player for the past decade... alot of ppl give cp3 the all time pg slot..but honestly curry is a better pg than Chris paul.
you need context here (read: the era where players play); not just the stats, awards, and the rings. everything is taken into consideration. are you talking about the pass first approach like cousy or magic or the shoot first point guard like curry or westbrook? i had to watch the segment and i found out that the first four were pass first point guards. steph is more of a shoot first point guard which is why russo placed him fifth on his list. could russo have defined his definition of point guard at the start of the segment? he should have had.
How on earth is this a bad list of top Point Guards? We're allowed to have our opinions. Those are some of the greatest of all time. Only one I disagree with is Kidd on there.
John Stockton was no where close to as good as an offensive player as Curry is. Curry is no where as good as a passer or a defensive player as Stockton. Just the arguments over what a point guard should do has changed with the game and people can't look at the NBA over a 60 year span cause they smooth brains.
I mean it is “Mad Dog’s A- List” Its called A minus for a reason. He brings up old teams and players that don’t get talked about a lot. Which is cool, but cmon now you gotta be realistic sometimes 😂 He’s blinded by nostalgia.
Im seeing a lot of people disrespecting Stephen Curry's ability to to play defense and make his team better. Steph had become a league average defender in the NBA, if not slightly above. This isn't 2014 anymore stop living in the past.
Steph curry is without a doubt the greatest shooter of all time. The distance he can hit shots and his shooting percentage from that range is the best in history. He is also great ball handler and can drive to the rim and distribute the ball.
😂 Mad Dog “WHISTLE” is clearly on ESPN to appease the “traditionalists” and “old white guys”, who can’t accept the fact that black players completely changed the game, to the point where guys like Pistol Pete Maravich are irrelevant. I appreciate good players from every generation, but the fact is NOBODY cares about Pistol Pete except for these old, tired dog whistling guys. You can’t make a serious list of the best point guards of all time and omit Magic. He should be disqualified from broadcasting but then ESPN wouldn’t have their Northern White, I mean light to inspire the “traditionalists”.
Curry is arguably a Top 5 G NOT a Top 5 PG. It's called Nuance. Draymond has led the "warriors" in Assists *(edit) 8 of 9 seasons he started w/Steph, and Curry was even 3rd behind KD one season. (Curry only played 5 games 19-20). Curry plays closer to Reggie & Ray Allen than he does as a PG. Curry also played in an Easy Mode offensive era, especially after begging KD to join him. Injury-prone Curry would not be the same efficient Curry vs Hand Checking and his 3pt shooting would fall off with a defender's hand on his hip on his off the dribble 3's. Curry is nowhere close to Stockton as a PG. Curry is closer to Jordan as a SG than he is to Stockton as a PG. It's the Nuance in the details. All the buzzword "positionless" basketball talk has made people forget what defined those positions.
I think the older pundits have grown tired of the ongoing rule changes to create the current type of play. Steph is still the best shooter I've ever seen, but players back then couldn't even try those step back shots because refs would have called travelling (a player like Allen Iverson would have been even better if he were allowed to do that). Defensive 3 in the key is another one today. Basketball is just noticeably different. Part of it is the players themselves but a lot of it has to do with rule changes and how the game is officiated. Look at how different NCAA and International basketball are. Now why is this guy picking on Steph? I have no idea since Steph is simply incredible. Let's not worry too much about 'shock content' though. There's no money to be made being reasonable in today's world. :)
actually magic Johnson won he's first championship at 20 without Kareem and magic played Kareem position which is center. Magic even went to the finals without Kareem in 1991 but even though he lost to Jordan and the bulls he's still went. Kareem never went to championship after Oscar Robertson until that young boy magic Johnson came. so
Because Russo comes from an era where teams ran systems and people played their position by definition. Allen Iverson second was the beginning of the modern undersized shooting guards, which is what Steph Curry really is. Magic, Kidd, Stockton, and Oscar are better PURE point guard(facilitator ) then Steph. For God sakes Jokic is a better playmaker than Steph. He can't be considered a point guard while simultaneously playing in an era of position less basketball at the same time. Draymond green is the facilitator in Golden State not Steph.
Jkidd couldnt shoot like curry but lets be honest. He was a better playmaker,better defender, better passer than steph. But steph is transcendent so he gets the edge but if you put him on those nets teams in the early 2000s i don't even think theh get to thr finals those 2 years quite honestly.
@@ForEducationalPurposesOnly look at how he he won his 4 rings bruh multiple injuries to superstar players a 200 million dollar roster these other guys was winning with lesser talent surrounding them and they was actually beating great teams healthy
@@ForEducationalPurposesOnly changed the game stop it with that one he changed nothing look at what era he was in a era that lack elite bigs the NBA teams don't draft or bring in players to stop Steph. They bring in players to stop Giannis so changed what a moment where the NBA lacked the big guys
@@ForEducationalPurposesOnly u get lost off all the sugar coat that goes around these players if we was going by those facts then why ain't Bill Russell the goat because nobody has more rings than him but he's not because other elements goes into it. Like loaded rosters time and era so don't dare try to use 4 rings when he won those rings vs a Delladova but got smashed on when Kyrie came back healthy then Chris Paul has him and his super team on the verge of elimination and Curry benefitted off his injury I can run all Curry championship down and Golden State would got beaten in all of them but survived because some how and some way somebody got hurt that made the difference
If you’re talking about a true point guard that’s a different discussion. As for a player who’s played PG for the majority of his career, Steph’s is at minimum a top 3 selection. Something I believe the majority are of people can agree on.
Being honest here he wouldn't even be top five because you're forgetting about Oscar Robinson Magic Johnson Isaiah Thomas John Stockton and we could go on and on and Pistol Pete change the game so Steph Curry will probably top 10
Come on: Jason Kidd was a GREAT point guard, and he WAS a modern player. Isiah was a jerk, but he was tremendous. Oscar Robertson was considered by some as the greatest player of all time during his prime. His team had to face Russell's Celtics. How expect his Royals to win titles or conference titles? And of course there's Magic. You will note that Mad Dog wants his point guards to be mainly assist guys amd not just scorers. The four above Curry were assist leaders. Maybe I would put Curry above Kidd and even Isiah, but not over Magic and Oscar. If Steph Curry though were taller and played shooting guard instead of point guard, and had his same acheievements, I would rank him 2nd or 3rd easily among SGs.
I mean tbh Pete’s a rare example of being born in the wrong generation. His playstyle perfectly fits today, his era limited him. He would be better today
He was more limited by his teams than his era. & by that I mean, he wasn't hampered by old school game plan & conventional wisdom. His coaches generally knew what they had in Pete. Being on terrible teams is really what gets Pistol overlooked imo. If he'd gotten even 1 or 2 rings, I think people would look at him differently. That being said, I fully believe Pistol Pete would crush in today's NBA
No he wasn't born in the wrong era, he was ahead of his time
THIS ^ he was 40+ years ahead of his time
Dude was shamgodding the rock without cupping, and I've still not seen anyone else bullseye a tween-the-legs dish on a full run right in the scoring pocket [he does both in the 68-piece that he dropped on the knicks]
A healthy Pistol in today's era would average 35+/8/11 with ease.
@shaft9000 man y'all say anything but go off 😂
But that wasn't the question the question was Pistol Pete was better
ESPN “analysts” aren’t actually there to analyze the game. They are there to give hot takes and say outlandish things to get views and trend on social media. There is no point in watching their content.
😁
I just label them as ESPN shockjocks
These are the factuals 💯
Exactly! They are false narrative pushers for gambling which is actually what runs all "pro" sports
Kidd can't compare to Steph in stats overall, but realistically, I'm not sure you could take Steph, drop him on the 2002 Nets team and have Steph alone transform them from a 26 win team, into a team that wins 52 games and reaches back to back Finals as that team's only All Star. Also Kidd versus Steph defensively is night and day.
I mean, the Eastern Conference was historically weak back then
@@howdydoo9148 The Nets had 26 Wins in 2001 and Stephon Marbury was an All Star that year for them at PG. All they did was swap one "All Star PG" in Marbury for an All Star PG in Jason Kidd and they doubled their win total and reached back to back Finals.
I just don't know if Steph could ever singlehandedly take a team from worst to first in one off-season...
Also the year after the Nets lost in the Finals in 2003, the Pistons won it all in 2004. So the Conference wasn't really that weak. Plus if you want to talk about weak, look at the roster around Kidd on those Finals teams.
I think this is a big issue with all these notions you see online.
Kidd and Curry don’t even play the same way and stats especially don’t tell everything. We don’t need to devalue someone, to prop up another.
Not everyone’s career was or is going to be the same.
I think all these topics/debates have become too conflated now.
Yeah you can’t really compare them. They both fill different roles. kidd completely destroys steph on defense, rebounding, and passing. Kidd has a top 5 basketball IQ in history. Steph is a way more lethal driver and shooter. It all depends on what you prefer
@@howdydoo9148exactly and I don't think Steph could carry that squad to the finals. You are talking like he hasn't had arguably the 2nd best shooter of all time beside him basically his whole career plus when dray was at his peak was an all.tine great defender. Jkidd does everything besides shoot better than Steph..that's undeniable. Better passer, playmaker, defender basketball IQ off the charts. Steph is just transcendent on the shooting side. But jkidd really had it all and probably would have average a triple double multiple years if he played today.
Pete changed the game.
One of the most skilled ever
Pete was better than everyone today. Steph Is a joke. He isn't any better than his dad, and his dad had to play against defense. Imagine stephanie getting hit by a real man. He'd quit
@@maxismozark1124delusional
@spqr-963 yes you are, but it's okay youngling
So did Curry
Pete played with no 3 point line, you are insane for cherry picking your arguments and not bringing this up. Its not a bad take from Russo can be debated for sure, but one thing i know for a fact, put Pete in todays NBA with all the fitness, nutrition, rules and other stuff, his numbers go up dramatically.
I agree.
His numbers absolutely don't go up, the pace was higher back then.
I've never seen Curry as a PG. For me, a PG is a pass first guy. He fits more as a SG imo
Times have changed and the game evolves , PGs can be score first now if they have to be, sometimes they need to be
When comparing players from different eras you have to adjust things based on how the rules operated, the style of the game, etc. For instance, you have to devalue to a certain degree modern scoring stats, as the rules were changed to allow for easier offense and have hamstrung defensive play. There is no question curry operated for his whole career in an environment where it's easier to score and harder to defend than for greats in past eras. That's not debatable. That's why I still consider someone like bird a better shooter than curry, because bird shot like that when defenders could defend. It's even more pronounced for guys like Lebron who thrive on driving to the basket. It's so very much easier to get to the rim these days than it was back in the day
Especially when you look at Bron Stats when ppl did defend his first 4 years the FG% wasn’t what it looks like now
Steph also has Draymond Green setting up illegal moving screens for his whole career
Agree with the argument but not the bird example. The 3pt line is the name of the game today - offense and defense. Look at most of birds 3's and you'll see mediocre defense that far out. Not because they couldn't but because it wasn't the focus. Steph shoots waaaay more difficult shots than bird at way high volume and efficiency. If you wanna make the case that bird is a better overall scorer? Debatable? The better player? I'll agree. The better shooter? Absolutely not
Alot of sports media personalities need to be stopped but not him... he's bout the only one that actually shows any love to the past players. All these idiots tryin to say that today's players are jus sooo much better than players of the past need to go on somewhere, they don't know what they're talkin about, the don't kno the history of the sport... they're clueless... they are on national TV lying to everyone... it needs to stop
I love Russo! We need these old heads to keep balance in the NBA sphere
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@@PIP...33 Jason Kidd on the NETS was something else. He was amazing, I agree
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@@PIP...33delusional
I usually agree but SC is a All Star at best in any era other than the current. No defense allowed and carry or travel is no longer called.
Curry would get hammered (and often) before he even crosses half court in most eras, too.
It truly is much softer now, and in many ways.
Mad Dog Russo's takes are refreshing and provide a little balance for all the tv personalities that are biased towards post-2000s basketball. I'm a millennial yet I still find it disrespectful when young people discredit all the players pre-1980 just to build up their favorite players LeBron/Curry/KD/Luka/etc.
Refreshing because they certainly are different. But they're so stupidly comical on the other end of the spectrum that it's hard to take them any more seriously.
😂😂😂 they should shut your internet off for good you probably hes son 😂😂
Curry isn't a PG. He's a shooting guard playing PG. He would not have lasted in any of the other eras of the players listed. Isiah, Stockton, Payton, Magic and Kidd are all better PGs. Hell Lebron is actually statistically a better PG. Any team since 2005 is not defensively dominating at all. The idea that defense is played currently or at any time during Curry's career is completely nonsensical. They have had to invent stat categories to make the argument that defense is still played. It's a joke.
Its definitely not crazy to rank Isaiah and Oscar over Steph at all imo
It really depends on what you consider a "point guard." If someone values setting up the offense and playing defense at that position over scoring... then yeah J Kidd and even CP3 have the edge. Steph plays unconventional like a shooting guard so it's hard to compare him with traditional pgs.
I agree, and to me, Steph isn't really a PG. Kidd can't score like Steph, but Steph can't singlehandedly raise his team's level of play by himself to the point that Kidd could imo. He raises the Warriors level with his gravity through scoring, but Kidd did it primarily with playmaking for others, and by being one of the best defenders ever. Steph is really a SG imo.
@imdbtruth Kidd in this era wouldn't do jack shit. Steph led GS to the Finals twice before and won a chip and Kidd did it to and never won. Stop the bs
@@savonsanders3955. Saying that Kidd wouldn’t do anything today is just stupid though
He was legit
@@Spider-Nalgas He couldn't score like that. In this era he isn't even checking any of these PGs, and leading a team dawg. Legit for his generation fahso.but I know that Steph, Dame Luka, Ja and Murray are busting his ass and they're just in the West lmao. He's not replicating that in this era
@@savonsanders3955 Respectfully, I think that’s a goofy take to think just because he wasn’t a necessarily a scorer, means he wasn’t good. That’s just what a lot of todays PG’s have been and stats don’t even tell everything for all players impact/style of play.
Kidd was a big point guard and yet was a triple double threat every night. He was also on the all-defensive teams over 9 times. Kidd had a similar impact on the court/game like Magic did with their passing and playmaking.
Pistol Pete was a monster I think if he played into days NBA. He would have at least 2 rings the team he'd fit on is Dallas.
Its not crazy to have Kidd over Steph. Kidd was never a scorer but he could if he had to. I love Steph but he can't guard his own position and if his shot is not falling he's damn near invisible on the court. I can't say that about Kidd.
For real, if Kidd played in his prime with a lot of other great players, there's no telling how many rings he could've won, but go look at who Kidd played the most minutes with during his prime years, it's not that good.
*Players Kidd played the most minutes with in his career*
1. Jason Collins
2. Richard Jefferson
3. Clifford Robinson
4. Lucious Harris
*Compared to players Curry's played with the most with in his career*
1. Draymond Green
2. Klay Thompson
3. Andre Iguodala
4. Shawn Livingston
And Kidd could've pulled a KD and joined the Spurs in the 2003 off-season after his Nets lost to them in 6 games in the 2003 Finals... It would've been the easiest path ever to several rings, but Kidd ultimately couldn't sign with the team that just beat him. He took his own path, wins an improbable ring with Dallas at age 38 while playing 35 minutes per game, and people still don't want to give him his props for it.
Stephen Curry is generally a good defender, and even if his shot ain't falling, he's a good play-maker too. People tend to underrate him and only look at his shooting when he does other things pretty well too.
@@unlimitedpower4101 Curry can't guard Kidd but Kidd can guard him.
Kidd is NOT stopping Steph at all 😭😭
@@GDKF0238 And steph not stopping him so whats your point?
I respect old players because they paid the way for todays nba. However, there are players from the past that ain’t close to curry. Yeah 3 pointers weren’t a thing at all, but the ball handling is insane, the passing, the rebounds, etc
But you're not realizing how easy it is to play now compared to 20-30 years ago. Just look at statistics other UA-camrs have covered the game is ridiculous now it's not even worth watching. I struggled to watch basketball now all it is is offense offense offense it's so damn boring. And full honesty I probably shouldn't be commenting but I want clips of old games and I'm like that so fun that looks so good and I see stuff now and it's not good it's definitely not for me
@@courteouscarpenter7811 why u guys hate defense now it's make no sense ???
@@courteouscarpenter7811I mean there's a hand checking even now
99 percent of ball handling today would be fking illegal in 70s bro, yes no 3 point line, so curry in 70s would be a literal bum as he cant spam 3s and drive to the rim easily, while being defensive liability. pete on the other hand would thrive in this era
@igobread-zt2lv when I sat down to watch a game now I see offense and it can be exciting but that's it. As a casual fan the defense is not noticeable unless it's a big block. Be well all
The disrespect of Jason Kidd in this video is *CRAZY!* I understand if you think Steph is a better PG, as he is one of the greatest players ever, but my issue is that this guy didn't even attempt to make a case for Kidd!
CRAZY
Because he don't know nothing
If we are talking PURE point guards Curry is lucky to make the list because a PG in the old days when ROLES was a thing you had to make team mates better, control the pace, make the game easier for team mates as well as be an on the court coach scoring was a bonus back then but ppl today see all these COMBO GUARDS “playing” point and think that’s how it’s done smh
curry's way of basketball is way better than that pure point bs goofy. chris paul is a pure point and got no rings lmao
Lol curry makes his teammates better idk wth you’re talking about. Klay & draymond didn’t become the players they are by themselves.
I think the debates don’t even need to be that damn serious anymore.
As long as Curry is in their top 5 or at least recognized, then I’m good.
They can have Kidd or Stockton as their GOAT PG but as long as they can recognize someone like Curry for example, as one of the absolute best. Especially since comparing Kidd and Curry isn’t even fair to both of them.
You did not consider that Marovich was the opposing
defense's primary focus on every possession.
Also, how much better would Marovich be on Golden St.?
I think having Steph 4th or 5th all time is fair because I got Magic, Oscar and Isiah for sure over Steph
People sleeping on J Kidd , winning player and 9 all defensive teams
Jason Kidd was the second or third-best Player any given night on Dallas. Now you're showing extreme bias cuz that offense did not work without kid running it
I understand Mad Dog's point of view. He's looking at the point guard spot with a old school perspective. A player who sets up his team's plays as his primary role. Not that I agree with his list, but I don't disagree with the greatness of the players he mentioned.
Pistol Pete could of been the GOAT honestly. For real. If he wasn't drafted to a team in Atlanta a predominantly black team. And paid so damn much. His teammates hated him there.. Then he dealt with injuries & that's it. That was his career. And he still averaged like 25ppg having said all that..
76-77 averaging 31.1 points with no 3 pointers? That's unbelievable. Cmon man. You can't compare anything Curry did to Pete.
Pete Marovich had a slightly lower PPG average throughout his career than Stephen Curry did. Oh, and he did not average 31 PPG throughout his career lol
You need to stop. You lost all credibility with the Oscar
This is why ESPN is sinking fast
This video was a miss. I think mad dogs list was actually very good. Not the one I would make, but a good one. And I think he gave curry a lot of respect to put him at number 5.
He should be called Rabies, not Mad Dog. 😜🤣
This kid is delusional he always stating curry 4 rings but not that how he won those rings threw multiple superstars injuries
My 8th grade coach in 2005 used to make us watch Pistol Pete ball handling training videos and we would do them 😂 He definitely isn’t talked about enough thats forsure..
I definitely agree that Curry is better than Pete but what i dont agree is using ppg stats for the argument without the context of the lack of having a 3pt line in Pete career. Averaging over 30 w/o 3 pointers is very impressive. But Steph shoots (and makes) a lot of 3s to boost up his Scoring averages
In the illustrious words of Mad Dog Russo,
"But he aint no Bob Cousy"
IMO, from a historical standpoint, it's much easier to compare Steph to SGs. His primary role is as a shooter, which is traditionally a SG's role. Also, all things considered, Steph has differed PG responsibilities to his teammates (Livingston, Igoudala, Draymond).
But yeah, Mad Dog be wildin.
Magic literally won a Championship without Kareem when he was a Rookie by playing all 5 positions and took over the series so.... Magic #1 and it ain't even close.
Pistol Pete had a boatload of negatives too. Charley Rosen used to go and on about how Maravich wasn't on the same page as his teammates (just like White Chocolate), and we only see the highlights, not the countless errant passes that he routinely made. His defense was non-existent outside of gambling for steals. There's a reason why the Hawks were ready to move off of him. You could make an argument that they preferred Lou Hudson; I mean, they did keep him for longer. Who ever mentions Lou Hudson?
At the same time, Curry has benefitted - maybe more than any player in the history of the NBA - from the game shifting to his strengths. Many stars and superstars over the past decade, have been able to put their skillset on full display, bumping up their numbers (similar to the early '60s NBA stats), while previous eras there was only so much you could do if you were a perimeter player. The main reason we see so much creatively from perimeter players today, is because the game had to shift away from it being a centers league. If you look at 2011 for example, you might have Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, Marcin Gortat, and Al Jefferson as the 4 best (pure) centers in the NBA. That's a bit of a joke. Since there was never that next great influx of centers coming in after the '90s, it was only a matter of time that the game went in a different direction. Would any '90s coach allow Curry to launch away in the first place? Maybe Don Nelson or Paul Westhead? Danny Ainge probably (he played 4 guards at the same time here and there).
I wouldn't say that Maravich played in the wrong era necessarily, but that his skillset would be better served/utilitized in today's (EXTREMELY) wide-open game; especially when it comes to his shooting range. The '70s had a number of creative players, doing their own things (that's not taught in AAU camps), and both the NBA and ABA cut into each other's talent pool; which is why Kareem's 6 MVPs are a bit of a joke frankly; he should have owned the '70s.
The Warriors have become overrated IMO. I wonder if Nash's SUNS came along several years later, would they have had similar success as the Warriors? Strictly as a PG, I think Nash is better than Curry. If the Warriors played the '80s Celtics, as much as the Warriors would launch away from 3, what are they doing in the interior? Draymond Green also came along at the right time.
That’s why no-one likes ESPN anymore…they hired Mad Dog Russo to shell out tired old-head takes so that he can cause a stir 🤦🏾♂️…it’s become transparently annoying
Ranking the top point guard isn't only bout scoring though. I don't think you can just go by titles either. I also don't think Steph was carrying the Warriors. They have a team philosophy as well. Scoring numbers are a little inflated now. There is less parity also. It's almost like going back to the 60s. I agree the Bulls should be on the team list, but I think we tend to over hype the Warriors. That's why they make such a big deal of Lebron losing to them.
How he doesn’t love him as a person Steph is
One of the coolest players
I listened to Chris when I lived in NY and he was on WFAN. He loves basketball players from that generation. Every era has different styles and different rules. They did not have 3-point shots back then and defense was played much tougher and the rules allowed all sorts of contact not allowed now. Maravich, like Julius Irving, came along to early to make the money and have the fame of later players. Maravich was a great player.
Got to disagree with you on this one. Mad dog does have some crazy takes from time to time but the NBA is older than the 2000’s.
As a pg I would take Jason Kidd over steph
Curry 1st run, no kyrie, no Kevin Love....
I saw ‘‘em all.
Putting Steph #5 just convinces me more that these guys are trolling just to get ratings.
Then ESPN wonders why people have stopped watching.
UC Hoops, I love your channel, but understand not everyone is going to have the same opinion as you.
With Russo, I just think that he’s trying to educate and make some of this era’s viewers appreciate his generation. I wouldn’t take him too seriously.
What I will never understand with you is, you are flawless and unbiased with the MJ debate, but I don’t feel like you hold the same energy with others.
You used Zeke’s 89 season to show that he was not better than Curry, and you said it was more of a team effort. I feel that is a slightly biased take, because I know you are aware of Zeke’s 1990 season when he was the best player, and the finals MVP. He averaged around 27.6 PPG, 5.2 boards, and 7 APG. He also shot 60% from the 3. He was better than Curry in the clutch, consistently, and he was the best player in the Final Four, winning a college title, as the best player.
I’m not arguing who is better, but you using the 89 season, and not mentioning his better season is showing bias to Zeke, in my opinion, but when it’s MJ, you are always on point.
Be that way for all debates and not just MJ
horrible breakdown with no context surrounding Pete’s team which were nobodies compared to Steph having 2 other all stars, one of them being considered the 2nd greatest shooter ever. There was no 3 point line either and shot clock and the game was way more physical then.
THIS
Jason Kidd over Curry is insane😂(no disrespect to Kidd)
Jason Kidd can guard his own position
@@billthegoatrussell6608 What is that mean?I don't understand
IT MEANS KIDD CARRY ROOKIES TO FINALS VS SHAQ KOBE. CURRY WAS CARRIED BY IGUODALA@@Saint_MaX_ONeal_B_Rul
In regards of playmaking and actually being a Point Guard...No...its not insane to have Kidd over Curry
Complete INSANITY bro 💯💯
I don’t see this take as too wild tbh
He is talking about as a pure point guard in the distributing the Rick and high level defense kidd do have him
I agree with just about all your points but must add context to the Pistol Pete comparison. The rules on hand checking and physicality were much different during Pete's era. Small ball wasn't plausible and the 3pt shot didn't really exist. It did take Steph until his 5th season to actually make the playoffs and some great moves from his GM to surround him with defenders and playmakers in an era where the dominant big was pretty much extinct. Just imagine if Pete had a Draymond to free him up to get more looks...and threes were encouraged....and there were no dominant Centers in the paint....In different circumstances Maravich could have been "Steph like". The talent was there but not the conditions.... How would Steph had fared back then?
UH, I get the point of your video. But Russo has some logic. I don't always agree with him, but that list isn't too bad a list. Curry is a great PG for TODAY'S NBA. You aint dropping Steph on the Pistons and expecting him to do what Zeke did, or get a triple dub like Oscar Robertson or turn a franchise around as fast as J-Kidd did. He was a truly pass first PG and even tho he doesn't have chips, J-Kidd is in my Top 5 PG's of all time. Guys that play this sport get it.
So I'm not too mad at Mad Dog for that list. But some players can be shifted around for accuracy...and honestly Curry's career isn't over yet, so he's fortunate to even get on that all-time list. Your criticism is a bit premature on this one.
If somebody take Kidd over curry I wouldn’t be mad tbh.
I LOVE CHRISTOPHER RUSSO AS AN ANALIST.....!..
If u ask him what big j kidd jumpers hes talking about...he wouldn't know
Random but at 7:22 as a Grizzlies fan I remember that buzzer beater shot against us in the playoffs in 2015 😡 it was at the end of the 3rd quarter in game 6. Jeff Green got fouled it wasn’t called and Curry hit that 😂 It changed the momentum of the 4th and we lost the series.
I have to say, I'm not liking some of your arguments here. Saying Russo is doing "old head" arguments and then ignoring some factors from previous eras seems disingenuous.
Pete was a shooter with no 3pt line who still could average 30 when there was no such thing as a flagrant foul.
Same can be said for Big O. The man was dropping 30pt TDs with 250lb giants trying to smash him.
I also think just disregarding JKidd's defence and passing and some of Isaiah's other skills is a bit silly too.
You're acting like Steph is undeniably the 2nd PG ever. And talking about playoff results in a scorers debate. That's the goalpost moving you complain so much about from analysts like Wright and Perk.
I mean, the old guy has a point. Pistol changed the game after Wilt and just like Steph. But Putting Kid ahead of Steph, is ludecrous🤣
YEP CURRY ALSO CANT PASS CLUTCH DUNK REBOUND DEFEND OR STAY HEALTHY
@@PIP...33 He’s so bad that he carried the Warriors to a comeback win against the Celtics in the 2022 Finals.
@@mirrorportal1587 NO ZION KAWJI PG13 MORANT BRON AD PLUS JOKIC DIDNT HAD MURRAY OR PORTER. CELTICS LOST FATIGUE VS GREAT EAST TEAMS. CURRY PLAYED VS DEPLETED WEST 80% ALLSTARS INJURED
@@mirrorportal1587 verson played vs loaded bucks, curry played vs most injured conference ion history literally only jokic was healthy tha 2022
@@mirrorportal1587 CELTICS LOST FATIGUE VS GREAT EAST TEAMS. CURRY PLAYED VS DEPLETED WEST 80% ALLSTARS INJURED
A sports analyst is not a sports guesser. Analyzing current vs players from different decades is nothing more than egocentric. To really say it is possible is laughable. ESPN has advocated their sportscasters because they insist or at least try to convince us these guys are good. It is nothing more than advertising dollars because we take the bait and try to outdo them. I for one just appreciate the talent, aggressiveness and determination of impact players currently in the league. Let’s just cheer these guys on.
Russo has a point because Curry doesn't even lead his team in assists most seasons. Just because hes the shortest person on the team doesn't make him a point guard
But the true best PG of all time is John Stockton. The numbers speak for themselves
YEP STOCKTON AND ZEKE BEST POINT GUARDS EVER
Steph Curry one of the most overrated players of all time. Hes not ahead of Magic, Oscar, Isiah Thomas or John Stockton. You cant be a the GOAT at your position if you cant even guard your own position. He ducked Kyrie the entire 2017 finals after Kyrie cooked him the year before.
I don't think u can call him overrated when he literally inspired the new Basketball Gens and can't ignore his accolades/achievements.
@@Saint_MaX_ONeal_B_Rul KIDD CARRY ROOKIES TO FINALS VS SHAQ KOBE. CURRY WAS CARRIED BY IGUODALA
curry has 4 rings 1 fmvp 2 mvps and 2 scoring titles. that resume alone makes him better than every point guard not named magic
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Can you blame him. Russo is pete’s boyfriend . He’ll never turn . These shows keep feeding the public garbage debates on who’s the goat ,who’s better, and all that nonsense. So shallow!
After currys 2nd mvp and last ring. U really cant put zeke ahead of him. Ur right about team effort. Greatest defense ever. Prime dennis. Zeke never won a reg season mvp.
Curry cant ever be lower than #2
I LOVE MAD DOGG RUSSO....MOST THINGS HE SAY I AGREE ON BUT....SOME THINGS I DONT.
You can't sleep on John Stockton. That guy has the most assists AND the most steals (of ANYBODY) in NBA history. If Michael Jordan hadn't been there, they might've even gotten a ring or two.
Curry "flow of the offense" next to Klay, arguably the best pure shooter wing ever, made Steph's shots so much easier to be efficient than Pistol Pete who WAS the offense with little to no help almost his entire career. That stuff matters. Imagine if he had Dr.J in Atlanta like he was supposed to before the ABA stopped that?
Lies. In 2021 without Klay help space the floor Steph averaged 32, 6 and 6 on 48/42/92 shooting splits and had GS in the 5th seed before missing 10 games, with that tailbone injury. Do y'all watch their games or just say shit off feelings lol?
@@savonsanders3955 ONE season? Was that the season he got bounced from the Play-In when he had 2 games to win 1 game to advance? I moved to the Bay 2012 when there were more DRose jerseys than Curry ones around here. I loved Curry from college up until he begged KD to join him. I have watched most of about 70% of his games since then at least a quarter to a half. If you have watched Curry as much as I have then you KNOW with your own eyes that Curry is the most logically likely to have the record for Most Airballs in NBA history due to his green light and sheer volume of shots from his and his coaches' confidence in his shooting. You have never seen anyone shoot as many Airballs as Curry, right? Or are you in your feelings now? P.S: Every Airball a Pro shoots is an Acute Chokejob and imo should be counted as both a Missed FG AND a TO no matter which team catches the loose ball. Synergy game tracking is going back to older seasons so they will have the video proof that no one has shot more Airballs than Curry eventually, but you would know that if you actually watched most of Curry's games like me. His games are on all over the Bay since they started winning after trading Monta.
@@savonsanders3955 Did you notice the year Curry shot the most 3s per game he averaged 5/13 from 3? Dude missed 8 3's, many of them Airballs & Bricks, for every 5 he made. Curry groomed kids and easily amused fans to be cool with watching MORE Missed Shots from the lower % 3pt line, including many more Airballs & Bricks, He shot 0-9 from 3 in a Finals game. Before Curry when players shot an Airball they would get killed by the crowd for the next few possessions with "Airball!" chants but when Curry shoots one now most "fans" just shrug it off like no big deal.
Keep Montae next to Steph and see if they win a DAMN THING!!!!
@@dazgordon-hill2660 Yup At their very best they would've been like the Too Short Lillard + McCollum backcourt Blazers
Oh shit Russo didn’t even have Stockton??!! He’s obvious number 2 but there is big O I forgot about him. Oscar is probably number 2 TBH.
Look ball handling Pete was amazing his scoring was nice more three point shooting today but in today's NBA it's easier for offense to move . Pistol Pete was the original white chocolate . I think in today's NBA pistol Pete would dominate anyone.
Honestly steph is soo underrated as a pg when he really has been a top 5 player for the past decade... alot of ppl give cp3 the all time pg slot..but honestly curry is a better pg than Chris paul.
Put Curry in #5 so kids these days will be programmed to think like it, same as this fools ranked Kobe outside Top 10. It's all about the narratives.
you need context here (read: the era where players play); not just the stats, awards, and the rings. everything is taken into consideration. are you talking about the pass first approach like cousy or magic or the shoot first point guard like curry or westbrook?
i had to watch the segment and i found out that the first four were pass first point guards. steph is more of a shoot first point guard which is why russo placed him fifth on his list. could russo have defined his definition of point guard at the start of the segment? he should have had.
How on earth is this a bad list of top Point Guards? We're allowed to have our opinions. Those are some of the greatest of all time. Only one I disagree with is Kidd on there.
Pistol Pete averaged over 40 points a game one year in college….with no three point line….
_ONE year?!?_ He averaged 44 points over 4 years (!) and _at least 40ppg each of the 4 years._
John Stockton was no where close to as good as an offensive player as Curry is. Curry is no where as good as a passer or a defensive player as Stockton. Just the arguments over what a point guard should do has changed with the game and people can't look at the NBA over a 60 year span cause they smooth brains.
I mean it is “Mad Dog’s A- List” Its called A minus for a reason. He brings up old teams and players that don’t get talked about a lot. Which is cool, but cmon now you gotta be realistic sometimes 😂 He’s blinded by nostalgia.
Thats old heads do. They even say today nba is sucks
A point guard is a floor general. Someone is a pass-first. Steph curry isn’t a pass-first. Steph plays more like the two
I got Steph at 3 behind Magic and Zeke
Steph is a shooting guard. Kidd is a true point guard
Im seeing a lot of people disrespecting Stephen Curry's ability to to play defense and make his team better. Steph had become a league average defender in the NBA, if not slightly above. This isn't 2014 anymore stop living in the past.
Steph curry is without a doubt the greatest shooter of all time. The distance he can hit shots and his shooting percentage from that range is the best in history. He is also great ball handler and can drive to the rim and distribute the ball.
😂 Mad Dog “WHISTLE” is clearly on ESPN to appease the “traditionalists” and “old white guys”, who can’t accept the fact that black players completely changed the game, to the point where guys like Pistol Pete Maravich are irrelevant. I appreciate good players from every generation, but the fact is NOBODY cares about Pistol Pete except for these old, tired dog whistling guys. You can’t make a serious list of the best point guards of all time and omit Magic. He should be disqualified from broadcasting but then ESPN wouldn’t have their Northern White, I mean light to inspire the “traditionalists”.
Sheeeeeeeit
The new gen only know lebron and curry. Old heads as they say. Done seen so many players play theyre not prisoners of the moment..
Curry is arguably a Top 5 G NOT a Top 5 PG. It's called Nuance. Draymond has led the "warriors" in Assists *(edit) 8 of 9 seasons he started w/Steph, and Curry was even 3rd behind KD one season. (Curry only played 5 games 19-20). Curry plays closer to Reggie & Ray Allen than he does as a PG. Curry also played in an Easy Mode offensive era, especially after begging KD to join him. Injury-prone Curry would not be the same efficient Curry vs Hand Checking and his 3pt shooting would fall off with a defender's hand on his hip on his off the dribble 3's. Curry is nowhere close to Stockton as a PG. Curry is closer to Jordan as a SG than he is to Stockton as a PG. It's the Nuance in the details. All the buzzword "positionless" basketball talk has made people forget what defined those positions.
I think the older pundits have grown tired of the ongoing rule changes to create the current type of play. Steph is still the best shooter I've ever seen, but players back then couldn't even try those step back shots because refs would have called travelling (a player like Allen Iverson would have been even better if he were allowed to do that). Defensive 3 in the key is another one today. Basketball is just noticeably different. Part of it is the players themselves but a lot of it has to do with rule changes and how the game is officiated. Look at how different NCAA and International basketball are. Now why is this guy picking on Steph? I have no idea since Steph is simply incredible. Let's not worry too much about 'shock content' though. There's no money to be made being reasonable in today's world. :)
actually magic Johnson won he's first championship at 20 without Kareem and magic played Kareem position which is center. Magic even went to the finals without Kareem in 1991 but even though he lost to Jordan and the bulls he's still went. Kareem never went to championship after Oscar Robertson until that young boy magic Johnson came. so
Because Russo comes from an era where teams ran systems and people played their position by definition. Allen Iverson second was the beginning of the modern undersized shooting guards, which is what Steph Curry really is. Magic, Kidd, Stockton, and Oscar are better PURE point guard(facilitator ) then Steph. For God sakes Jokic is a better playmaker than Steph. He can't be considered a point guard while simultaneously playing in an era of position less basketball at the same time. Draymond green is the facilitator in Golden State not Steph.
You're usually pretty good but today you are way off here, kiddo.
Better luck in the next video :)
I got magic over steph...Isaiah over oscar...Pete might have moved up in my books but not steph lol
its because curry
never had to deal
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bad boys, hes nice
in a cream puff league.
I love steph, probably my favorite player today but he's not in my top 5 Pg. probably not in my top 10.
Jkidd couldnt shoot like curry but lets be honest. He was a better playmaker,better defender, better passer than steph. But steph is transcendent so he gets the edge but if you put him on those nets teams in the early 2000s i don't even think theh get to thr finals those 2 years quite honestly.
Stop it Steph don't get no edge
@@theetruth8626 he changed the game and won 4 chips. He has the edge
@@ForEducationalPurposesOnly look at how he he won his 4 rings bruh multiple injuries to superstar players a 200 million dollar roster these other guys was winning with lesser talent surrounding them and they was actually beating great teams healthy
@@ForEducationalPurposesOnly changed the game stop it with that one he changed nothing look at what era he was in a era that lack elite bigs the NBA teams don't draft or bring in players to stop Steph. They bring in players to stop Giannis so changed what a moment where the NBA lacked the big guys
@@ForEducationalPurposesOnly u get lost off all the sugar coat that goes around these players if we was going by those facts then why ain't Bill Russell the goat because nobody has more rings than him but he's not because other elements goes into it. Like loaded rosters time and era so don't dare try to use 4 rings when he won those rings vs a Delladova but got smashed on when Kyrie came back healthy then Chris Paul has him and his super team on the verge of elimination and Curry benefitted off his injury I can run all Curry championship down and Golden State would got beaten in all of them but survived because some how and some way somebody got hurt that made the difference
If you’re talking about a true point guard that’s a different discussion. As for a player who’s played PG for the majority of his career, Steph’s is at minimum a top 3 selection. Something I believe the majority are of people can agree on.
HOP OFF
Being honest here he wouldn't even be top five because you're forgetting about Oscar Robinson Magic Johnson Isaiah Thomas John Stockton and we could go on and on and Pistol Pete change the game so Steph Curry will probably top 10
Come on: Jason Kidd was a GREAT point guard, and he WAS a modern player.
Isiah was a jerk, but he was tremendous.
Oscar Robertson was considered by some as the greatest player of all time during his prime. His team had to face Russell's Celtics. How expect his Royals to win titles or conference titles?
And of course there's Magic.
You will note that Mad Dog wants his point guards to be mainly assist guys amd not just scorers. The four above Curry were assist leaders.
Maybe I would put Curry above Kidd and even Isiah, but not over Magic and Oscar.
If Steph Curry though were taller and played shooting guard instead of point guard, and had his same acheievements, I would rank him 2nd or 3rd easily among SGs.
I think pistol Pete was better than Curry😬
Kidd is really better than Steph, I cant front