Hey folks! In the current state of the video, at 7:04 (the section about the different NFL streaming rights) there is a bad cut in the audio/video that is there due to a copyright issue with the original footage used. I'm sorry about that, and will be sure to address any similar issues in the future. Here is the the full text of that section, for reference: "Thursday Night Football is currently broadcast by Amazon Prime Video. Then, Sunday games are split between CBS and Fox - CBS typically covers AFC games, while Fox handles NFC matchups. To add another layer, the NFL’s Sunday Night Football, a weekly broadcast of a designated NFL game each week, is exclusively broadcast by NBC. Then there’s Monday Night Football, which is on ESPN. Peacock also gets some exclusive games like the recent one held in Brazil and select playoff games. And finally, the Super Bowl rotates on a 3-year schedule between NBC, CBS, and Fox." Thanks for all the support on the video, more to come!
I'm not paying $400 to watch Football. Damn right I use a pirated stream, and I have about 15 backup streams in case the servers get laggy or one of them goes down.
If they insist on making it hard or expensive to watch what I want then screw 'em. I don't feel bad at all. They have to find a way to squeeze every last nickel out of the consumers. Then I'll just put up with the annoying pop-ups of the bootleggers for ability to simply watch the game that I want to watch.
A) Can watch any game rather than what networks choose B) Better access to non-big 4 sports in the US like tennis (only shown on tv during slam events) C) I don't have to worry about needing to buy a TV since I can stream directly off of my laptop D) No subscription. I hate subscription-based service.
I would gladly pay a pretty penny if I was guaranteed to ALL of my teams games, no matter the day/time or network, I just want to watch my team exclusively. If I can watch a good game between two different teams, I might tune in, but it won’t kill me to miss it.
@@youngdrudown Yep, especially those of us who have lived in many different markets. I have lived in 6 different states through the Midwest and South and trying to follow my teams is a nightmare.
It's crazy, becuase a buddy of mine shares his youtube account with me for NFL. We share the cost... but they'll eventually stop password sharing.. so instead of getting SOME money i'll just go back to sailing the 7 seas...
True. Same with video games. People pirate old video games because they cost an arm and a leg nowadays & the manufacturers refuse to make more copies. So piracy comes in handy
I live 3 & a half hours from where the closest baseball team plays. The games are still blacked out here. As if I'm going to just pop on over to the stadium to watch a game after work. 🙄
there is a 3pm blackout for epl games in the uk. people in england cant watch their own football league while other fans in other countries can illegally stream it
The leagues saw it as an opportunity to split their product further and monetize it piece by piece. It’s wildly anti-consumer and I refuse to pay for any of it.
As the video says, it's just too difficult to watch what I want without shelling out hundreds of dollars. What isn't mentioned is out of market games. I support a team 1,000 miles away, and my only real option is pirating. Even trying to navigate a paid option, it's not always available. Thanks for the video!
@clonecommandermike332 what local team? Boise State? I grew up watching Pittsburgh and the Yankees so idk how I bandwagon but all right. Plus if I bandwagoned like you said wouldnt I be a Cheifs and Dodgers fan? 😂😂😂
The only way to combat piracy is to provide better service than the pirates. Why should I pay for inferior service when I can get a better service for free of charge?
I subscribe to Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, Amazon Prime, and Apple TV (in Japan), but still I often have to torrent movies and TV shows. I will have them forever once downloaded -- and be able to watch regardless of the availability of a local network. AND, one strange anecdote: I couldn't watch the recent Shogun mini-series with a Japanese friend, even though I have Disney+, because we had to choose English OR Japanese subtitles, but the movie often switched back and forth between the two languages. There's no option to display subtitles in both languages. BitTorrent came to the rescue, though. I just had to find a version with full English subtitles (for both the Japanese and the English audio) and then search online for: srt translation and dual subtitles I got a sometimes strange Japanese translation, but I was able to have Japanese subtitles at the top and English at the bottom. Pirating is better than paid services way too often.
I'm from the UK, so learning they have blackouts when a local team is playing in their region is absolutely scummy. Streaming services and money has ruined sport.
The craziest part is most college football games are just streamed on UA-cam every week. This is how my dad watches football because he doesn’t wanna figure out the pirating websites 😂
Its crazy that even if I was rich, pirating would still be more convienient. Trying to navigate 6 different streaming apps to find the game i want? No thanks. Ill just find every game in the same place on streameast. Plus, its possible that those 6 different streaming services I have STILL dont have the game I want.
My local hockey team (the Dallas Stars) are streaming their games on a free streaming service this year. Not only is it FREE, it’s also on desktop and mobile with a reasonably navigate-able interface, which means I’ll be able to watch more games this year than last year. It’ll probably go down the shitter later, but I’ll enjoy it while it’s good.
@@nuckyduk15Just a few days ago, they announced that they’re not renewing contract and plan on having something similar to Stars and Mavericks by beginning of next season.
I’m not going to apologize for pirating an NFL playoff game that they put behind a paid streaming service. And that’s only going to get more common. Until that point it was possible to watch every NFL game in my market by making a one time purchase of a TV and a TV antenna. And don’t get me started on baseball and Bally Sports
If you want to add another layer of headache, try to get legal access to most of the services from outside the US. If you like to watch college football and live in Europe, signing up for most services streaming games becomes hard to do in the first place due to region locking. So you have to add a VPN service to your expenses.
And not just that but then have to hope your provider is allowing you to connect via a VPN and the speed is good enough to stream with too, because not all internet in Europe is the same as well. So then you have to deal with that. With how expensive things are getting it's economics 101 honestly, if I have to pick between £200 for example, to shell out for a VPN, have to leap through hoops. Also, commercials. Fox is notorious for this, but with the international feed a lot of the pirate sites use, no commercials at all, the feed just goes quiet. It's like having the old days of satellite feeds on Eurosport and so on as well, so the broadcast goes quiet and you get natural sound then back to the broadcast when that picks back up again. ANd wit how many ads that some US networks carry, it's saying something
@@jacekatalakis8316the number of commercials alone is worth using the sites. It is absolutely insane the number of ads in a college football game nowadays, no matter which network it’s on.
To the companies, they see dollar signs. To committed fans (who know how outrageous it has become) , they pirate. If they are committed to their team, they pirate. It feels like not that long ago when I just asked which cable channel had the football game on while now we struggle to find it on one of our streaming services, end up pirating it, and missing kickoff most times.
Some minor corrections: - The Super Bowl is on a 4 year cycle now, ABC will get Super Bowl LXI (2027) and Super Bowl LXVI (2031) - To get TNT, the Colorado fan would have to get Sling and Altitude+ since Fubo doesn't have TNT and TNT has NHL games (Avalanche) along with the Stanley Cup Final in alternating years (has 2025 Stanley Cup Final) and 1 of the Conference Finals every year (has 2025 Eastern Conference Finals) Great video and will subscribe :^)
I've noticed that it's a lot easier for me to watch US sports in the UK than you have it over there. NFL? Thursday, Sunday, Monday, one provider. Indycar was a mess for US watchers but I get it on one channel, every race, in real time, with more live action and less ads than you get over there!
@@saltyaphid3195 Nope, we are legally limited to 12 minutes of ads per hour. When you take a TV timeout, like after a kickoff, we'll throw back to the studio for analysis and a quick run through the RedZone highlights.
@@Einveldilucky, We are constantly bombarded with ads. It is especially annoying during an election year when we get seemingly wall to wall campaign ads.
@@CyberNut930 They're also illegal in the UK. Well, there is set time on major channels for "party political broadcasts", but they're actual shows in the TV guide, not ads per se. I saw none of them for our election this year.
Piracy becomes a duty when you own nothing, and when the offered "products" are clearly abusive note that those "services" fill the streaming with tons of ADVERTISEMENTS
I’ve been saying forever it’s easier to watch an illegal stream than to watch the legit way that’s hilarious bron was on streameast and I don’t blame him it really is way easier
@@Alexander_Grant the argument against piracy is specifically due to the financial loss the company takes by not reaching into your pocket and booking it with your wallet. It is all about the money, always. In other words, theft
@@Alexander_GrantI mean technically piracy existed before copyright law existed. Blackbeard wasn’t stealing British copyrights, he stole ships and loot.
I think Pirate Software said it best. Piracy is an issue of economics. You either can't afford it, or you can't get access to it because of a blackout, as you've said in this video.
The only sport I watch is mma, and even then is outrageous that to watch the ufc you not only have to pay for a tv provider, and a subscription on top, but also most of the important events are pay per view
It's like ordering a burger and having to pay three vendors. One for the meat, one for the salad and one for the bun. And there is a blackout on meat in your area. No one would blame you for paying a neighbor for a complete burger.
In our current economy where the price of groceries is out of this world expensive, gas is expensive, rent/living is expensive, how do these companies expect us to pay so much money just to watch sports lol? No way I'm paying for any subscription to watch the NFL, UFC etc... Most of us are even too broke to pay for these subscriptions even if we wanted to. The greed of these companies is asinine
I live between 950-1500 miles away from the cities my favorite teams play in. I refuse to pay thousands of dollars in order to watch something which is FREE to people who happen to live within range of the correct television antenna.
Shout out to the Dallas Stars for starting their own FREE streaming service where they’ll be broadcasting all their games. Basically I won’t be pirating Stars games this year
I wouldn't mind paying $100 or some more to be able to watch all the games of my favorite NFL team. But ... I can not afford to pay for 4 different subscriptions and still have blackouts.
Meanwhile, the PWHL, the new women's hockey league that started a year ago, had all of their games broadcasted live on their official UA-cam channel for free. Almost none of my friends are hockey fans and yet, they all know about the league because of how much it helped the league grow in its first season. It's still miles away from the WNBA in popularity, let alone male pro sports, but it works. Hopefully they keep doing this for the 2nd season. And of course, doing it this way means that it's the league that can get the data on who exactly is watching the game, not some random website
@@havanadaurcy1321that’s not how malware works they can’t auto download them 99% of the time, it’s the user who downloaded or gave it access to your computer and most pirated sites only have ads not virus 😂
I'll never pay for a streaming service again. Absolute wastes of money when i can get ANYTHING i want for free without ads and in 4k HDR. Even UA-cam, havent seen an ad since 2016 and i don't pay for premium 😎 I will not be subjected to brainwashing and wasting of my time when i have alternatives.
Here in the Philippines, during the NBA playoffs, especially for popular NBA teams, there are consistently hundreds of thousands of concurrent illegal live stream viewers on Facebook (with the highest number being almost a million viewers). Imagine how big this loss is for the NBA.
The biggest factor in all this is how expensive it is. Finally, tv networks don't have a monopoly on viewership and people are pivoting to streaming. It costs nearly $500 to watch my out of market team every Sunday for 18 weeks. That is absurd. I do believe most working adults would pay a reasonable price for this kind of stuff but the old dinosaurs are too greedy and delusional
I’m happy you mentioned Iowa. As an Iowan who was trying to get into watching sports, it’s nigh impossible to pick a “local” team without navigating all the blackouts. When I was watching Hockey, I could only watch the Blackhawks when I had UA-camTV, but ESPN+ blacked out Minnesota, Illinois, and St Louis teams. So I ended up just watching teams across the country so I didn’t have to bother with them. What a flawed system.
Blackouts are outrageous especially in baseball (MLB) Say you live in Des Moines Iowa and your a fan of oh one of the closest teams idk like the Royals or Twins, White sox/cubs, cardinals and brewers You are BLACKED OUT from watching those teams home games 82 games plus especially considering Royals/Twins/Sox and Brewers/cubs all play in the same divisions (AL and NL central) so you can never watch those games For the sake of simplicity Des Moines is close enough to be equal distance from KC and Minn/stpaul. Black outs are supposed to incentivize the local fan base to attend home games right? Well going by that example you now have a 3 hour drive to either KC/Minn. You would probably have to take the day off to attend your typical 7pm start game for either team then return home probably well past midnight. And that is just for the two closest imagine making a trip to Milwaukee/Chicago roughly a 5 hour drive for both and that assuming no traffic They are not incentivizing the person in Des Moines to randomly attend a baseball game. They are incentivizing someone to make a mini vacation which in my opinion makes you not a local.
@@WillE454when i moved away from Ft Worth, it got easier to watch the Rangers. It’s complete bullshit that it is easier to watch my team five states away than it was when I lived 15 minutes from their stadium.
I love my Dodgers but I am not paying for cable let alone a sports package. I have been streaming Dodger games since 2015. 9 years of free Dodger baseball. Sports should be accessible to everyone, fuck the excutives who want our money
I would honestly watch a live stream from someone at the stadium at this point. The production cost for watching an NFL game should be very cheap in 2024
Also, looking into the soccer world. The MLS used to have RSN's for their games (Ex. I'm from SJ so the Union were on Philly 17 and ABC Philly at times.) Now all of it except for select games are on Apple TV for $100. And Apple TV is GARBAGE for soccer. Peacock is for premier league and other leages across the world are on paramount, espn+,and some on prive video. It's crazy.
Yeah they can blame themselves. Prime example is WRC and F1. Sky sports in the UK and Ireland (where I am), it can cost around €40 a month. RallyTV is cheaper at about €15 if I remember right, but still, there’s only a few rallys a year and sometimes there’d be nothing for a full month.
You forgot to mention how rsns are improving as well. About 75% of the teams now either air games on over the air or have a direct to consumer option elminating the need for cable providers for some. Just a year ago a lot of teams were stuck on cable. They have made progress in reducing sports piracy. Sports piracy has existed as long as I can remember.
At the end of the day “sports” is a product and we, the fans, are the consumers. The people have spoken, they are tired of being squeezed by these greedy organizations. And to make matters worse, how do the networks and sports orgs respond? They chop up our beloved sports and put them behind even more paywalls. Brilliant move!!
I met a former sports team minority owner and asked about the whole streaming deal and he said "if you don't put it on regular TV, nobody will watch it, except for diehards" I'm finding this to be incredibly true. Im not going to seek out a Bucknell vs. American college basketball game on streaming, but if its on TV I may watch a bit of it. Same thing with MLS. DC United used to be broadcasted on the local RSN and they tried to go to paid streaming only back in 2017 I think and everyone complained bitterally. They would apologize by year end go back to the RSN. With Apple TV, I'm not going to seek out a random Wednesday night game thats meaningless. Flipping between channels is fine, but flipping between inputs is crazy talk.
this is what happens when companies don't want to offer a reasonable price for every game from preseason to regular season to playoffs. nobody is paying 50 dollars just to not be able to watch on a tv😂
South Park streaming wars was right about everything. It has nothing to do with sports but it’s such a good depiction on how fucked up streaming has got
VPNs are the answer; as a motorsport fan I am able to watch F1, Indycar and Nascar while only paying for a VPN (this is legal in the UK so long as you have a TV Licence, it's also the only reason I have one lol). Tbf the F1 coverage has French commentary and the Indycar has Portugeuese but it's better than paying for Sky Sports 🤮
As both a motorsports fan and a big 4 North American sports fan, It's a NIGHTMARE every weekend. Bad enough here in the U.S. NASCAR airs on Fox, FS1, NBC, USA, and Peacock (I only have an antenna so I can only get the non cable races) so it's headache to figure out which channel or website to go to. IndyCar is going to Fox so it should be better next year. I have ESPN+ (The one service that's worth it) so I can get F1 no problem. IMSA and WEC (In particular) are extra hard because IMSA is mostly on Peacock which I had to get just to watch. WEC is actually impossible to watch here in the states without "backwoods streams". If not for that I would miss Le Mans every year lol
@@ImNorris For IMSA if you get a VPN, change to basically any other country (there are a few exceptions) and you can watch for free on UA-cam. For WEC, it is the only series I actually pay to watch because it was on Eurosport so got alot of sports for my money, and the fact it is my favourite series and want to actually see it grow so am happy to support it.
It is absolutely true you can follow a team without seeing a game. I don’t have a lot of time to sit and watch a game like I used but am just as much in the loop thanks to social media platforms for my teams.
This is one of the reasons my move to Japan made my life much better. I need just a single streaming service to cover the NBA. No blackouts even if the team plays in Japan. Kinda expensive tho (go streameast)
Ok, that transition sound (starting at 0:06) _freaked me out_ because it sounded like someone was beating on the side of my house! 😂 I had to stop and rewind to make sure I wasn’t in danger. 😂
If your looking at these comments Pittsburgh Penguins executives I quite literally have to illegally pirate your games because it's impossible for me to watch them even though I pay for ESPN+ just because I live 3 counties away and I'm blacked out from watching home games. This type of behavior only alienates your fans and is bad for sports in general. I also have to pirate most of the Denver Broncos games. I'd happily pay a smallish fee just to see Broncos games on Sunday Ticket but paying ~$600 for Sunday Ticket whenever I don't even care about the other teams and whenever nobody else actually watches 10 football games simultaneously is insane. Once again NFL and Google, you are both only making fans angry while also losing out on a lot more money with this type of behavior. Most fans will pay for media rights to watch their respective teams play as long as the fees associated with doing so aren't absurd.
It’s just such a pain in the ass. Log ins, apps, and of course it costs so much. Stream east has everything in one place and free. Fuck the greedy subscription services.
I am so glad that I am a fan of only the Kansas City Chiefs as far as actually giving a damn to watch their games on a regular basis. Since I live close to Kansas City I always get the Chiefs games for free with my antenna system, because of the fact that every Chiefs game is on a Kansas City television station regardless if it's on a paid service like Amazon Prime, NFL Network, Peacock, or ESPN.
It’s definitely a mess, but to be fair you’re not comparing apples to apples. In the 80s, you got to watch whatever few sports programs were on the major networks. A few games a week, tops. If that’s all you want, it’s largely still available without having to subscribe to 15 streaming services. The problem now is that people think they have the right to watch every game of their favorite team, and clearly that’s not going to happen anywhere except niche streaming networks.
I have been a huge sports fan since the 1980s. Watching the price increase of watching your favorite team(s) is staggering. I remember when I was subscribing to the NFL Pass for about a few grand a season. I did it for a couple of seasons but decided it was way too pricey for the service. I cannot blame any sports' fan for not wanting to pay for such a pricey service. Now you have peacock, hulu, amazon prime, and etc. It's wild how much they are charging for each specific game. The system is definitely broken and needs to change.
The Lebron clip was weirdly validating. I was also born in 1984, and I feel there is a short age range that both remember spending an ungodly amount of money of CDs and VHS tapes, and remember how simple and convenient file sharing files was when it took off. Many of us haven't paid for TV, movies or music since. It only ever got easier.
What pisses my off is paying for Amazon prime video just to watch NFL teams and STILL having to watch the stupid ads. So screw em, I’ll do what I want and watch the games in creative ways.
I’m a software engineer & I’ve been looking into a more accessible, affordable, & streaming latency alternative to this. Give me some time & it’ll be the biggest change for streaming. Great video though bud !
Thank goodness cable still shows all my teams. Rangers, Yankees, Jets, and Nets. It’s like a 1 stop shop. You should have to pay a lot of money if you are trying to watch every team, in a specific sport, play. That’s a lot of content.
Another problem is shelling out for all these streaming services and then due to family or work commitments, not being able to watch a game. It feels like flushing money down the drain when you can’t watch.
We saw it with music, software (to some extent), movies, TV, and now it has come for sports. If you don't adapt and offer convenience plus value, people will take to the seas. The major networks / leagues used their exclusivity and locked-in systems to monopolize their content which allowed them to bloat the price they could get for that content above a reasonable fair market valuation -- a correction is changing that, middlemen will be eliminated, and efficiency will be gained to drive costs down.
It's crazy to think i watched more Dodgers games living in San Francisco than any other Dodger fan that lived in LA. I had a friend who worked with United and use his perks to come to my house every other weekend to catch up on Dodgers games because Guggenheim has a stranglehold on rights in LA...
To watch sports. I just have ESPN+ for sports as I only watch a game a few times and I’m also one of the sports fans who just want to watch my teams (Yankees/Oilers/Eagles/Steelers/Lakers/Bama)
Hey folks! In the current state of the video, at 7:04 (the section about the different NFL streaming rights) there is a bad cut in the audio/video that is there due to a copyright issue with the original footage used.
I'm sorry about that, and will be sure to address any similar issues in the future.
Here is the the full text of that section, for reference:
"Thursday Night Football is currently broadcast by Amazon Prime Video. Then, Sunday games are split between CBS and Fox - CBS typically covers AFC games, while Fox handles NFC matchups. To add another layer, the NFL’s Sunday Night Football, a weekly broadcast of a designated NFL game each week, is exclusively broadcast by NBC.
Then there’s Monday Night Football, which is on ESPN.
Peacock also gets some exclusive games like the recent one held in Brazil and select playoff games.
And finally, the Super Bowl rotates on a 3-year schedule between NBC, CBS, and Fox."
Thanks for all the support on the video, more to come!
Re upload this video
@@seandolan1198I’d just get copyrighted again
Super bowl is on a 4 year rotation now with ABC.
I'm not paying $400 to watch Football. Damn right I use a pirated stream, and I have about 15 backup streams in case the servers get laggy or one of them goes down.
15? What are some sites you use?
Don’t answer it’s the feds
Actually you don't have to do any of it. To watch all of football you'd Just require 72 dollars worth of UA-cam TV SUBSCRIPTION.
What sides do yoy lose
@@jamesonelliott67 yes because the Feds would need a UA-cam comment to figure out piracy sites 🙄
A broken system encourages bad behavior.
Yarr.
Fr I rather buy the networks subscription but what’s the point with blackouts 😊
It isn't just for streaming. This "bad behavior" extends to entire economies but because a govt does it, it's "okay" 😂
If they insist on making it hard or expensive to watch what I want then screw 'em. I don't feel bad at all. They have to find a way to squeeze every last nickel out of the consumers. Then I'll just put up with the annoying pop-ups of the bootleggers for ability to simply watch the game that I want to watch.
Companies trying to create as much profit as possible, so sad
I’m not subscribing to 7 different apps just to watch my team play, I think this is where a lot of people come from right now.
A) Can watch any game rather than what networks choose
B) Better access to non-big 4 sports in the US like tennis (only shown on tv during slam events)
C) I don't have to worry about needing to buy a TV since I can stream directly off of my laptop
D) No subscription. I hate subscription-based service.
Exactly where I'm coming from. It's too much.
NBC = Nothing But Commercials, ABC = All 'Bout them Commercials and CBS = Commercials Before Sports...
Yeah but those games are free.
@Runboyrun89 what game it's all commercials
Fox?
😂
Fox= Full Of Xommercials
Hey as a broke college student I ain’t gonna complain that it’s easy to pirate sports games
What site is the best the one I used is cooked nowadays
@@josemexablemethstreams
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How do you do it
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"Piracy is almost always a service problem" - Gabe Newell
I would gladly pay a pretty penny if I was guaranteed to ALL of my teams games, no matter the day/time or network, I just want to watch my team exclusively. If I can watch a good game between two different teams, I might tune in, but it won’t kill me to miss it.
If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing either.
@@youngdrudown Yep, especially those of us who have lived in many different markets. I have lived in 6 different states through the Midwest and South and trying to follow my teams is a nightmare.
It's crazy, becuase a buddy of mine shares his youtube account with me for NFL. We share the cost... but they'll eventually stop password sharing.. so instead of getting SOME money i'll just go back to sailing the 7 seas...
True. Same with video games. People pirate old video games because they cost an arm and a leg nowadays & the manufacturers refuse to make more copies. So piracy comes in handy
The fact blackouts even exist is wild to me. “Yeah we aren’t going to allow Colorado to watch Colorado games” 😭
It's so dumb. We can't show a game in an area because we're worried 40k out of 1 million people won't end up in a stadium
I live 3 & a half hours from where the closest baseball team plays. The games are still blacked out here. As if I'm going to just pop on over to the stadium to watch a game after work. 🙄
there is a 3pm blackout for epl games in the uk. people in england cant watch their own football league while other fans in other countries can illegally stream it
I live in Houston can’t watch NHL (dallas star) on ESPN because it’s blackout 🤦🏽♂️ so I use streaming
“Even though they’re paying to watch it, they aren’t paying us!!!”
😂😂
The leagues saw it as an opportunity to split their product further and monetize it piece by piece.
It’s wildly anti-consumer and I refuse to pay for any of it.
why not selling the rights of every single quarter of a game to a different company ;D
@@timopint1125 DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS
@@timopint1125that actually happens when nfl games go to overtime sometimes you can’t make it up😭
As the video says, it's just too difficult to watch what I want without shelling out hundreds of dollars. What isn't mentioned is out of market games. I support a team 1,000 miles away, and my only real option is pirating. Even trying to navigate a paid option, it's not always available. Thanks for the video!
Bro outta market games are my downfall. Live on the west coast, while being a Yankees and Steelers fan isn't fun.
Support your local team then, bandwagoner
@@clonecommandermike332he could’ve moved away too
@clonecommandermike332 what local team? Boise State? I grew up watching Pittsburgh and the Yankees so idk how I bandwagon but all right. Plus if I bandwagoned like you said wouldnt I be a Cheifs and Dodgers fan? 😂😂😂
@@clonecommandermike332this may shock you, but people move!
The only way to combat piracy is to provide better service than the pirates.
Why should I pay for inferior service when I can get a better service for free of charge?
You contradicted your own point
@@Mike7064what part of "inferior" don't you understand?
@@NoCluYTProbably the definition 😆
@@Mike7064 there's no contradiction
@@Mike7064 and you liked your own wrong comment,so theres that.
That clip of king Lebron himself 'illegally' streaming his own league games is all you need to know.
Word. When did this happen
There’s a pic of him sitting court side watching Stream East lol
Funniest thing is that nba players get free league pass.
@@Marek7_really? Source ?
I subscribe to Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, Amazon Prime, and Apple TV (in Japan), but still I often have to torrent movies and TV shows. I will have them forever once downloaded -- and be able to watch regardless of the availability of a local network.
AND, one strange anecdote: I couldn't watch the recent Shogun mini-series with a Japanese friend, even though I have Disney+, because we had to choose English OR Japanese subtitles, but the movie often switched back and forth between the two languages. There's no option to display subtitles in both languages. BitTorrent came to the rescue, though. I just had to find a version with full English subtitles (for both the Japanese and the English audio) and then search online for:
srt translation
and
dual subtitles
I got a sometimes strange Japanese translation, but I was able to have Japanese subtitles at the top and English at the bottom.
Pirating is better than paid services way too often.
I'm from the UK, so learning they have blackouts when a local team is playing in their region is absolutely scummy. Streaming services and money has ruined sport.
Add the Saturday 3 pm kickoffs. Nobody wants that in 2024.
Yea it can be a nightmare to watch sports over here.
@@Charlizziewhats wrong with the 3pm kickoffs on a Saturday?
Honestly the Premier league does it right at least here in Canada. I get 1 channel all teams no need to worry about region specific teams.
The craziest part is most college football games are just streamed on UA-cam every week. This is how my dad watches football because he doesn’t wanna figure out the pirating websites 😂
😭that’s how I watch college sports
Those kids do a public service lol
I've been watching there also. On occasion it will get cut off but usually it hasn't been any issues.
I noticed that this past weekend when my cable went out. I'm like ok is this normal?!🎉
@@iKumalalol
Its crazy that even if I was rich, pirating would still be more convienient. Trying to navigate 6 different streaming apps to find the game i want? No thanks. Ill just find every game in the same place on streameast. Plus, its possible that those 6 different streaming services I have STILL dont have the game I want.
I’m saying, I’m a die hard packers it is a struggle to find the games anywhere in Nashville.
It's even worse with the ufc, they charge you close to $100 to watch a single night of fights it makes zero sense
@@andrewambrusko3651 thats awful
@@PolLop-uf5jz im a dolphins fan from the midwest so i'm basically forced to use it
@@PolLop-uf5jz Vikings fan from Bristol. We aren't getting any NFC North games here, unfortunately. But, hey, we get to watch Will Levis🙂
My local hockey team (the Dallas Stars) are streaming their games on a free streaming service this year. Not only is it FREE, it’s also on desktop and mobile with a reasonably navigate-able interface, which means I’ll be able to watch more games this year than last year.
It’ll probably go down the shitter later, but I’ll enjoy it while it’s good.
What’s the site called? Go Stars!
@@NolanJohnson423 victory plus, THG mentioned it over the summer i believe
@@NolanJohnson423 victory plus
Victory Sports!
It’s be nice if the Rangers would hop on instead of relying on Bally SW
@@nuckyduk15Just a few days ago, they announced that they’re not renewing contract and plan on having something similar to Stars and Mavericks by beginning of next season.
I’m not going to apologize for pirating an NFL playoff game that they put behind a paid streaming service. And that’s only going to get more common. Until that point it was possible to watch every NFL game in my market by making a one time purchase of a TV and a TV antenna. And don’t get me started on baseball and Bally Sports
Same. Corporations will tell you “piracy is a crime” then proceed to lock content behind an unreasonable paywall as if that isn’t criminal.
@@bbweickone day they'll make you pay for the superbowl like a ppv. Greed knows no limits.
Gone are the days of dads falling asleep in front of the TV watching some sports game. Only few can afford it now.
Now dads fall asleep to video essays about maritime disasters on youtube TV.
@@RobKaiser_SQuestor sports documentaries
Man this hits really hard
@@rreeddyy ah stop being so dramatic not everyone’s poor
Child please
We cast the stream off our phone, tablet or laptop plugged into tv
With our food drinks other things of choice haha
If you want to add another layer of headache, try to get legal access to most of the services from outside the US. If you like to watch college football and live in Europe, signing up for most services streaming games becomes hard to do in the first place due to region locking. So you have to add a VPN service to your expenses.
And not just that but then have to hope your provider is allowing you to connect via a VPN and the speed is good enough to stream with too, because not all internet in Europe is the same as well. So then you have to deal with that. With how expensive things are getting it's economics 101 honestly, if I have to pick between £200 for example, to shell out for a VPN, have to leap through hoops.
Also, commercials. Fox is notorious for this, but with the international feed a lot of the pirate sites use, no commercials at all, the feed just goes quiet. It's like having the old days of satellite feeds on Eurosport and so on as well, so the broadcast goes quiet and you get natural sound then back to the broadcast when that picks back up again. ANd wit how many ads that some US networks carry, it's saying something
@@jacekatalakis8316the number of commercials alone is worth using the sites. It is absolutely insane the number of ads in a college football game nowadays, no matter which network it’s on.
as you included in the video, Gabe Newell's words still ring true in sports as in video gaming: it's indeed a service problem, y'all.
To the companies, they see dollar signs. To committed fans (who know how outrageous it has become) , they pirate. If they are committed to their team, they pirate. It feels like not that long ago when I just asked which cable channel had the football game on while now we struggle to find it on one of our streaming services, end up pirating it, and missing kickoff most times.
Some minor corrections:
- The Super Bowl is on a 4 year cycle now, ABC will get Super Bowl LXI (2027) and Super Bowl LXVI (2031)
- To get TNT, the Colorado fan would have to get Sling and Altitude+ since Fubo doesn't have TNT and TNT has NHL games (Avalanche) along with the Stanley Cup Final in alternating years (has 2025 Stanley Cup Final) and 1 of the Conference Finals every year (has 2025 Eastern Conference Finals)
Great video and will subscribe :^)
I've noticed that it's a lot easier for me to watch US sports in the UK than you have it over there. NFL? Thursday, Sunday, Monday, one provider. Indycar was a mess for US watchers but I get it on one channel, every race, in real time, with more live action and less ads than you get over there!
In germany it is the same
I pirate indycar and imsa races because they often use the british stream which is just better.
Do nfl games still have tons of ads there?
@@saltyaphid3195 Nope, we are legally limited to 12 minutes of ads per hour. When you take a TV timeout, like after a kickoff, we'll throw back to the studio for analysis and a quick run through the RedZone highlights.
@@Einveldilucky, We are constantly bombarded with ads. It is especially annoying during an election year when we get seemingly wall to wall campaign ads.
@@CyberNut930 They're also illegal in the UK. Well, there is set time on major channels for "party political broadcasts", but they're actual shows in the TV guide, not ads per se. I saw none of them for our election this year.
Piracy becomes a duty when you own nothing, and when the offered "products" are clearly abusive note that those "services" fill the streaming with tons of ADVERTISEMENTS
I’ve been saying forever it’s easier to watch an illegal stream than to watch the legit way that’s hilarious bron was on streameast and I don’t blame him it really is way easier
How do you use streameast?
@@alexcuevas5633you go on their website and go crazy. if you can use a computer and understand basic website navigation, you’ll be fine
If buying isn't ownership, piracy isn't theft.
Piracy has, and always has been, a copyright issue. It is not theft, it never was theft, don't fall for companies telling you it's theft.
@@Alexander_Grant the argument against piracy is specifically due to the financial loss the company takes by not reaching into your pocket and booking it with your wallet. It is all about the money, always. In other words, theft
@@Alexander_GrantI mean technically piracy existed before copyright law existed. Blackbeard wasn’t stealing British copyrights, he stole ships and loot.
@@vrettos99 That argument is dumb. I was never going to buy things I pirate.
@@Jmoth792 There's a reason it got termed piracy and not copyright infringement. It hits harder. Don't fall for the corporate BS.
0:39 Making this even funnier is that as part of the CBA means he gets NBA League Pass for free 😭
League Pass must suck
I think Pirate Software said it best. Piracy is an issue of economics. You either can't afford it, or you can't get access to it because of a blackout, as you've said in this video.
The only sport I watch is mma, and even then is outrageous that to watch the ufc you not only have to pay for a tv provider, and a subscription on top, but also most of the important events are pay per view
This
For PPV it’s still better to go to a bar and watch it
@@charliedallachie3539 nah, just pirate it
It's like ordering a burger and having to pay three vendors. One for the meat, one for the salad and one for the bun. And there is a blackout on meat in your area. No one would blame you for paying a neighbor for a complete burger.
and after all that you still don't even own the burger
Video starts as 7:36
Thanks
lol. How bout it.
I don’t watch live sports anymore, too expensive. I watch highlights on UA-cam after 😢
Pirating NFL Red Zone in college with my buddies while we all violently fight being hungover from Saturday night is a memory I will never forget.
In our current economy where the price of groceries is out of this world expensive, gas is expensive, rent/living is expensive, how do these companies expect us to pay so much money just to watch sports lol? No way I'm paying for any subscription to watch the NFL, UFC etc... Most of us are even too broke to pay for these subscriptions even if we wanted to. The greed of these companies is asinine
I live between 950-1500 miles away from the cities my favorite teams play in. I refuse to pay thousands of dollars in order to watch something which is FREE to people who happen to live within range of the correct television antenna.
Shout out to the Dallas Stars for starting their own FREE streaming service where they’ll be broadcasting all their games.
Basically I won’t be pirating Stars games this year
The who?
and shoutout to the Anaheim Ducks for hopping on board!
Remember when the nfl app had at least ONE game to watch for free?
They had 2 and up until 2020
Yahoo sports use to be the way to go for me
I completely forgot about that!
Pepperidge farms remembers 😅
I wouldn't mind paying $100 or some more to be able to watch all the games of my favorite NFL team. But ... I can not afford to pay for 4 different subscriptions and still have blackouts.
Meanwhile, the PWHL, the new women's hockey league that started a year ago, had all of their games broadcasted live on their official UA-cam channel for free. Almost none of my friends are hockey fans and yet, they all know about the league because of how much it helped the league grow in its first season. It's still miles away from the WNBA in popularity, let alone male pro sports, but it works. Hopefully they keep doing this for the 2nd season. And of course, doing it this way means that it's the league that can get the data on who exactly is watching the game, not some random website
This was insanely well researched, written, and edited. This is my first time hearing about you and I hope your channel continues to grow!
As a Avalanche fan living in Canada the only true way to watch every game is to go on nhl66
Yay malware and viruses! Afterseeing onhockey become a cesspool, its only a matter of time
@@havanadaurcy1321that’s not how malware works they can’t auto download them 99% of the time, it’s the user who downloaded or gave it access to your computer and most pirated sites only have ads not virus 😂
I'll never pay for a streaming service again. Absolute wastes of money when i can get ANYTHING i want for free without ads and in 4k HDR. Even UA-cam, havent seen an ad since 2016 and i don't pay for premium 😎
I will not be subjected to brainwashing and wasting of my time when i have alternatives.
I use a jail broken fire stick but it seems to suck lately. Can you point me in a direction or give me a hint please.
How do you get no ads on UA-cam
@@adambonanno9908 UA-cam re vanced on phone, ublock origin on pc
@@For891 UA-cam keeps deleting my comment, try alldebrid and Streamio
@@adambonanno9908revanced
As someone who loves Sacramento Kings, Seattle Seahawks, UConn, Charlotte Hornets, and Minnesota Lynx..I calculated that I gotta pay $480 per month
Had to do a double take when you brought up Jomez. Was definitely not expecting disc golf to be mentioned in a video about the high seas!
It's only a matter of time before we see mini-golf on the Grand Line.
Here in the Philippines, during the NBA playoffs, especially for popular NBA teams, there are consistently hundreds of thousands of concurrent illegal live stream viewers on Facebook (with the highest number being almost a million viewers). Imagine how big this loss is for the NBA.
Blackout restrictions are so fuckin evil
The biggest factor in all this is how expensive it is. Finally, tv networks don't have a monopoly on viewership and people are pivoting to streaming. It costs nearly $500 to watch my out of market team every Sunday for 18 weeks. That is absurd. I do believe most working adults would pay a reasonable price for this kind of stuff but the old dinosaurs are too greedy and delusional
Really good and professional video I hope this gets the reach it deserves
Appreciate it!
I’m happy you mentioned Iowa. As an Iowan who was trying to get into watching sports, it’s nigh impossible to pick a “local” team without navigating all the blackouts. When I was watching Hockey, I could only watch the Blackhawks when I had UA-camTV, but ESPN+ blacked out Minnesota, Illinois, and St Louis teams. So I ended up just watching teams across the country so I didn’t have to bother with them. What a flawed system.
Blackouts are outrageous especially in baseball (MLB)
Say you live in Des Moines Iowa and your a fan of oh one of the closest teams idk like the Royals or Twins, White sox/cubs, cardinals and brewers
You are BLACKED OUT from watching those teams home games 82 games plus especially considering Royals/Twins/Sox and Brewers/cubs all play in the same divisions (AL and NL central) so you can never watch those games
For the sake of simplicity Des Moines is close enough to be equal distance from KC and Minn/stpaul. Black outs are supposed to incentivize the local fan base to attend home games right?
Well going by that example you now have a 3 hour drive to either KC/Minn. You would probably have to take the day off to attend your typical 7pm start game for either team then return home probably well past midnight. And that is just for the two closest imagine making a trip to Milwaukee/Chicago roughly a 5 hour drive for both and that assuming no traffic
They are not incentivizing the person in Des Moines to randomly attend a baseball game. They are incentivizing someone to make a mini vacation which in my opinion makes you not a local.
I live 30 mins from the Texas Rangers. Most of the games are blacked out in my area. It’s BS.
@@WillE454when i moved away from Ft Worth, it got easier to watch the Rangers. It’s complete bullshit that it is easier to watch my team five states away than it was when I lived 15 minutes from their stadium.
facts. I’m in Murfreesboro and can’t watch Grizzlies games whatsoever even though im from Memphis and its just 3 hours away
Try a blackout in the PNW 💀
Didn’t expect to see a top level Spikeball player drop a banger sports video essay. Let’s go Matt!
I love my Dodgers but I am not paying for cable let alone a sports package. I have been streaming Dodger games since 2015. 9 years of free Dodger baseball.
Sports should be accessible to everyone, fuck the excutives who want our money
I like your presenting style with the big microphone. Very reminiscent of TV reporting, which I assume is what you're going for.
Sharing this with my congressman, seriously everyone should. This is predatory and the FCC has been trying to reign in these types of issues.
They should step in and stop these streaming apps to injustly have sports fans paying more just to watch games in streaming app
I would honestly watch a live stream from someone at the stadium at this point. The production cost for watching an NFL game should be very cheap in 2024
My man hit the algorithm! Keep it up bro. Great content
Also, looking into the soccer world. The MLS used to have RSN's for their games (Ex. I'm from SJ so the Union were on Philly 17 and ABC Philly at times.) Now all of it except for select games are on Apple TV for $100. And Apple TV is GARBAGE for soccer. Peacock is for premier league and other leages across the world are on paramount, espn+,and some on prive video. It's crazy.
MLS dropped the ball on that especially when you have the Great Leo Messi playing
Yeah they can blame themselves. Prime example is WRC and F1. Sky sports in the UK and Ireland (where I am), it can cost around €40 a month. RallyTV is cheaper at about €15 if I remember right, but still, there’s only a few rallys a year and sometimes there’d be nothing for a full month.
You forgot to mention how rsns are improving as well. About 75% of the teams now either air games on over the air or have a direct to consumer option elminating the need for cable providers for some.
Just a year ago a lot of teams were stuck on cable. They have made progress in reducing sports piracy. Sports piracy has existed as long as I can remember.
At the end of the day “sports” is a product and we, the fans, are the consumers. The people have spoken, they are tired of being squeezed by these greedy organizations. And to make matters worse, how do the networks and sports orgs respond? They chop up our beloved sports and put them behind even more paywalls. Brilliant move!!
LONG LIVE THE HIGH SEAS ! IF BUYING IS NOT OWNING THEN PIRACY IS NOT STEALING. 🏴☠🏴☠🏴☠🏴☠🏴☠🏴☠🏴☠🏴☠🏴☠
so true!
I met a former sports team minority owner and asked about the whole streaming deal and he said "if you don't put it on regular TV, nobody will watch it, except for diehards" I'm finding this to be incredibly true. Im not going to seek out a Bucknell vs. American college basketball game on streaming, but if its on TV I may watch a bit of it. Same thing with MLS. DC United used to be broadcasted on the local RSN and they tried to go to paid streaming only back in 2017 I think and everyone complained bitterally. They would apologize by year end go back to the RSN. With Apple TV, I'm not going to seek out a random Wednesday night game thats meaningless. Flipping between channels is fine, but flipping between inputs is crazy talk.
this is what happens when companies don't want to offer a reasonable price for every game from preseason to regular season to playoffs.
nobody is paying 50 dollars just to not be able to watch on a tv😂
Give this man a fuckin award for the sources link in his descriptions. This should be mandatory
South Park streaming wars was right about everything. It has nothing to do with sports but it’s such a good depiction on how fucked up streaming has got
I’m at 0:48 and I’m gonna go ahead and guess: GREED BABY!!!
VPNs are the answer; as a motorsport fan I am able to watch F1, Indycar and Nascar while only paying for a VPN (this is legal in the UK so long as you have a TV Licence, it's also the only reason I have one lol). Tbf the F1 coverage has French commentary and the Indycar has Portugeuese but it's better than paying for Sky Sports 🤮
Acez Strims and DD12.
As both a motorsports fan and a big 4 North American sports fan, It's a NIGHTMARE every weekend. Bad enough here in the U.S. NASCAR airs on Fox, FS1, NBC, USA, and Peacock (I only have an antenna so I can only get the non cable races) so it's headache to figure out which channel or website to go to. IndyCar is going to Fox so it should be better next year. I have ESPN+ (The one service that's worth it) so I can get F1 no problem. IMSA and WEC (In particular) are extra hard because IMSA is mostly on Peacock which I had to get just to watch. WEC is actually impossible to watch here in the states without "backwoods streams". If not for that I would miss Le Mans every year lol
@@ImNorris For IMSA if you get a VPN, change to basically any other country (there are a few exceptions) and you can watch for free on UA-cam.
For WEC, it is the only series I actually pay to watch because it was on Eurosport so got alot of sports for my money, and the fact it is my favourite series and want to actually see it grow so am happy to support it.
you never just turn the tv on and watch whatever game you like
This is a well done video. Your production quality (the audio especially) is fantastic. As a fledgling content provider I am blown away.
Privacy is morally okay. These companies are the ones in the wrong. The consumers are the ones getting wronged.
I've never felt bad idk how people feel bad 😭
@@bananabandit2 Depends on the type of piracy. Art piracy (for individual, independent artists) is bad, but sports tv piracy is fine.
It is absolutely true you can follow a team without seeing a game. I don’t have a lot of time to sit and watch a game like I used but am just as much in the loop thanks to social media platforms for my teams.
This is one of the reasons my move to Japan made my life much better. I need just a single streaming service to cover the NBA. No blackouts even if the team plays in Japan.
Kinda expensive tho (go streameast)
Piracy turned out to be divine justice for industry greed, may there be even more, it's what they deserve.
You have to pay hundreds of dollars for multiple services and blackouts can still apply, it's not worth it.
Ok, that transition sound (starting at 0:06) _freaked me out_ because it sounded like someone was beating on the side of my house! 😂 I had to stop and rewind to make sure I wasn’t in danger. 😂
This is going to go viral, calling it now
Yea, UA-cam will promote pirating after acquiring NFL rights 😅
Great video. The age old lesson: Never undermine the motivational effects of greed!
I stand with streameast 😤
For the NFL, usually the streaming games so whatever teams are playing inside their local market they just Simulcast it on a local news station
If your looking at these comments Pittsburgh Penguins executives I quite literally have to illegally pirate your games because it's impossible for me to watch them even though I pay for ESPN+ just because I live 3 counties away and I'm blacked out from watching home games. This type of behavior only alienates your fans and is bad for sports in general.
I also have to pirate most of the Denver Broncos games. I'd happily pay a smallish fee just to see Broncos games on Sunday Ticket but paying ~$600 for Sunday Ticket whenever I don't even care about the other teams and whenever nobody else actually watches 10 football games simultaneously is insane. Once again NFL and Google, you are both only making fans angry while also losing out on a lot more money with this type of behavior. Most fans will pay for media rights to watch their respective teams play as long as the fees associated with doing so aren't absurd.
Well produced, decently researched. Look forward to your growth!
Greed happened.
I been doing it since around 2008...ive never paid for any of those subscriptions
It’s just such a pain in the ass. Log ins, apps, and of course it costs so much. Stream east has everything in one place and free. Fuck the greedy subscription services.
How do you use streameast? It always redirects me and has constant popups
I am so glad that I am a fan of only the Kansas City Chiefs as far as actually giving a damn to watch their games on a regular basis. Since I live close to Kansas City I always get the Chiefs games for free with my antenna system, because of the fact that every Chiefs game is on a Kansas City television station regardless if it's on a paid service like Amazon Prime, NFL Network, Peacock, or ESPN.
Just use surge west
Your making it hot bro delete this before they correct the problem lol
Especially being in the military trying to watch a game in your market live is madness, these streams are life savers
It’s definitely a mess, but to be fair you’re not comparing apples to apples. In the 80s, you got to watch whatever few sports programs were on the major networks. A few games a week, tops. If that’s all you want, it’s largely still available without having to subscribe to 15 streaming services.
The problem now is that people think they have the right to watch every game of their favorite team, and clearly that’s not going to happen anywhere except niche streaming networks.
Dude great video. Ill check out the rest of your channel fs
UA-cam doesn't even care when you report a channel that is streaming games or even ppv fights
Why would you report them watch it lol
you lame ash for reporting them lmao
@@niggilywiggily fr lol
Why would you report them?
Oh. You’re one of those guys. Do you flag material too cause you are overly sensitive and get offended by everything?
I have been a huge sports fan since the 1980s. Watching the price increase of watching your favorite team(s) is staggering. I remember when I was subscribing to the NFL Pass for about a few grand a season. I did it for a couple of seasons but decided it was way too pricey for the service. I cannot blame any sports' fan for not wanting to pay for such a pricey service. Now you have peacock, hulu, amazon prime, and etc. It's wild how much they are charging for each specific game. The system is definitely broken and needs to change.
I'll never pay a dollar to watch a game on tv, One day I hope to show my grandkids the legendary Streameast.
The Lebron clip was weirdly validating. I was also born in 1984, and I feel there is a short age range that both remember spending an ungodly amount of money of CDs and VHS tapes, and remember how simple and convenient file sharing files was when it took off. Many of us haven't paid for TV, movies or music since. It only ever got easier.
What pisses my off is paying for Amazon prime video just to watch NFL teams and STILL having to watch the stupid ads. So screw em, I’ll do what I want and watch the games in creative ways.
I’m a software engineer & I’ve been looking into a more accessible, affordable, & streaming latency alternative to this. Give me some time & it’ll be the biggest change for streaming. Great video though bud !
Thank goodness cable still shows all my teams. Rangers, Yankees, Jets, and Nets. It’s like a 1 stop shop.
You should have to pay a lot of money if you are trying to watch every team, in a specific sport, play. That’s a lot of content.
Another problem is shelling out for all these streaming services and then due to family or work commitments, not being able to watch a game. It feels like flushing money down the drain when you can’t watch.
We saw it with music, software (to some extent), movies, TV, and now it has come for sports. If you don't adapt and offer convenience plus value, people will take to the seas. The major networks / leagues used their exclusivity and locked-in systems to monopolize their content which allowed them to bloat the price they could get for that content above a reasonable fair market valuation -- a correction is changing that, middlemen will be eliminated, and efficiency will be gained to drive costs down.
It's crazy to think i watched more Dodgers games living in San Francisco than any other Dodger fan that lived in LA. I had a friend who worked with United and use his perks to come to my house every other weekend to catch up on Dodgers games because Guggenheim has a stranglehold on rights in LA...
To watch sports. I just have ESPN+ for sports as I only watch a game a few times and I’m also one of the sports fans who just want to watch my teams (Yankees/Oilers/Eagles/Steelers/Lakers/Bama)