Equipment Check: SAS Hostage Rescue
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Join us as two Navy SEALs, Dorr and Coch, dissect the gear used in Operation Nimrod, a legendary hostage rescue mission. From MP5 submachine guns to advanced communication devices, get an insider's look at the tools that enabled success in this high-stakes operation.
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U guys should reach out to Rusty Firmin SAS , he's the dude without gloves.
25:30 in regard to you stating the FS is 'associated with the SAS'...
The FS was widely distributed across the British Army during WW2, and of course some SAS members would have used it.
Beyond that, and relating to your pic of SAS wings, cap badge and the FS. The weapon in the cap badge is NOT an FS, it is an Excalibur, of King Arthur lore. So if that's your point of association, it's incorrect. Another aspect that is frequently misattributed is the design on each side of the sword. Often called the 'winged dagger' design, it's actually the aforementioned Excalibur wreathed in flames.
What the FS _is_ firmly associated with is the Commando dagger insignia of the Royal Marines.
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As regards all your queries about the kit at the time of Nimrod, get in contact with Rusty Firmin! He is ex-22 and took part in the operation as blue team leader. He has a UA-cam channel!
Your video deals, as we know, with the British Army's special forces unit, the Special Air Service (SAS). But you need to also be aware of the Royal Navy's special forces unit, the Special Boat Service (SBS). The SBS is the equivalent of DEVGRU (SEAL Team 6).
@@davidlauder-qi5zvthey say that SBS is even harder to get into than the incredibly hard SAS. I have heard some say they have actually had more successful missions etc too. Not sure if this has any truth to it but I know a couple of x army types and they say SBS are even better. Amazingly
My Uncle Sgt Malcolm Atkinson (Akker) was in the SAS and part of this operation.
Unfortunately he died in the Falklands in 1982 when their Sea King helicopter crashed which resulted in the biggest loss of life suffered by the SAS, 21 in total.
RIP Uncle Malc ❤
weird how ive seen 8 different people across dozens of sas videos say the same thing, i have trouble believing any of them, this one included
@@bigfrankfraser1391 Thank you for your input. I'll record your opinion in my book of "Very Important Information".
@@BadgerUKvideo 😂😂😂
I had never heard of this incident before but just did some research on it thanks to your comment. I read some of the guys who survived with injuries went on to continue fighting in the Falklands conflict (including one with suspected broken neck) - absolutely different breed altogether.
It reminded me, although different circumstances, of Extortion 17.
Your uncle sounded like a legend amongst legends.
The last words from the pilot to the co-pilot were turn the fan off it`s too hot
Being a Brit at my age of 53 I remember this clearly as I was sat with my parents watching a John Wayne western on TV and it was interrupted to watch it live and it was amazing watching it live on TV watching the SAS do their thing , will never ever forget that moment in my life
Same age, same experience... although I was watching the snooker, of course.
It wasn't a western. It was Brannigan. I remember as I was 7 & being allowed to stay up late to watch a John Wayne movie was a treat & then being able to watch this unfold on TV was amazing.
No definitely a John Wayne film I was also similar age when it was interupted for this on the news. Although didn't really see much, it was thrilling
It actually wasn't shown live. There was a delay agreed with the TV news so as not to warn the terrorists who might have been watching TV.
@@davidjacksmith7171 Thank you. I do remember that coming out afterwards. I'm sure I didn't appreciate it all nearly enough due mostly to my young age and also probably partly due to not being British. Sorry but it was a bit larger world in those days. Across the pond was truly a different world to most of us back then.
The most famous balcony scene since Romeo & Juliet.
Rusty firmin talks about this on his site too. He was blue team leader and friend of legendary John McAleese (trooper who set the frame charge and blew it because they were compromised, despite being way too close).
They used store bought ropes cos they were short on equipment and the Fijian trooper got caught in them and got burned badly, got cut off Dropped 2 floors, got up and ran in to finish the job with 3rd degree burns on his legs.
Such incredible resilience and determination!!I expect nothing less from guys like those of the SAS
One of my dad's sailing buddies was an OG SAS officer back in the late 70s and early 80s. Dad said he was an intense guy but an absolute gentleman and generous to his friends.
What does OG stand for?
@@davidlauder-qi5zv Its being used as "Orginals".. All though,, the real "OG" is from the WW2 :)
The old sas " my dad's friend" story. Very common here 🤦🧐🇬🇧
@@andsowot I'm my case it's the guy who taught me locksmithing, backdoor Bob.
Good to see you guys reflecting back on the regiment (SAS). Lofty Wiseman and his close colleague my father Terry Jickells pioneered the counter terror team after Munich - others too of course. My father was the demolitions guy - he worked to pioneer techniques for many years and it was said by Lofty he was the best demolitions man in special forces. Respect to you both for exposing the systems and technical details. Mark
this week of lying to strangers on the internet...
@@benjaminmajor5144Just because it’s on UA-cam it’s a lie? Also, I find that someone who’s father was SAS and sees there is a video about 22 SAS, their going to watch and comment. Not that crazy of a thing dude! Go elsewhere with your negativity and worthless comment
0:17 McAleese was a beast setting off that charge that close.
I think McDonald who set the explosive off after McAleese put the frame in the window
He had the strongest hand grip in his entire team !
@@MartyM-ol8ig It was mac and mel according to the channel 4 documentary, mac used the biggest charge he had because he didn't know which windows were armoured.
My ex Mrs uncle was in the SAS
Only met him a few times he had left the regiment by then
never really wanted to speak about his military experiences he was more interested in breeding his racing dogs
He died a few years ago and it came out he was involved in a lot of big operations including the Nimrod op it was only when his old service pals turned up at the funeral that any of the family became aware of his exploits
The original vests worn on the day barely lasted the day and apparently fell apart . The gloves were leather and suede gloves made in Worcester (near Hereford) and I'm lucky to have a pair . The belts and pouches were made by a guy called Paul evers who later went on to make loads of kit for both them and the police. The wrist pistol mag pouch was called "wrist rocket" . They were very short on breaching kit and took to shooting locks with the mp5 . John Mac who places the frame charge on the window did say in interview that they over cooked the charge as they were not sure how strong the windows were so went for "P for plenty" which resulted in a portion of the balcony collapsing. The embassy stayed empty and burnt out for years after as the insurance was apparently out of date which was noticed by one of the troopers after the evacuation and he grabbed the certificate off the wall
Paul Evers, lovely man and very helpful to supplying a lot of equipment
On one of the window breaches the pointman's mp5 jammed and had to switch to his browning! I believe the stun grenades also set fire to the curtains.
They used bungee cord on full extension to get stability on their mp5ks, the bungee cord also helped keep their MP5s close and tight to their bodies when rappelling. The flashlights were the MVPs of their kit, used to both signal friendlies around corners (by sweeping the floor) and obviously IDing hostiles in rooms, but also they were zeroed and used as aiming reticules due to the brighter centre compared the flooding corona.
John Mac's gas mask was loose and when they used tear gas it caused him to throw up in his mask but he just continued as if nothing happened.
One trooper got tangled in his rappelle above a burning window and ended up having to cut his cord with a knife, apparently his leg was burnt up.
Further on the flashlight, a rookie almost entered a corridor without flashlight signalling (which was SOP on that op) but the more experienced 2nd man (TL) pulled him back before he turned the corner and the rookie said it saved potentially his life as another team started blind firing the corridor seconds later. Suppressing corridors before moving down them was also SOP on that op due to low visibility and low probablity of hostages which were localised to one or two rooms.
It was the distraction charge that was dropped through the skylight that set the building on fire - end result was the UK Gov had to pay for the building to be repaired.
@@lynchetts the curtains were set alight by the flashbangs ( which were an SAS invention and first used at Mogadishu in 77.
John McAlesse .S.A.S Warrior on that mission. REST IN PEACE SIR.
LEGEND
Gotta love more Coch and Dorr! You had me rolling with your “if you didn’t keep yourself in check you could be like throwing rice at a wedding!” 29:22
SAS. Number 1 special forces in the world!
44:25 A young Billy Billingham. Legend.
Minute by minute is good, but hearing you two puts this into perspective. I would love to hear more break downs like this.
IT IS NOT THE GUN, it is the guts of the guy behind it.
Brilliant stuff lads, I remember seeing this all unfold on the BBC (newsflash!) as a young boy. Always been fascinated by the SAS/SBS ever since and always interested in both your takes as Tier 1 operators ( and your funny af as well ). All the best from the UK.
As a Brit I am so proud we have the SAS to protect our country. They are the best of the best imo. Hats off to each and every one of them for putting their lives on the line to save others✌🏻. Hats off to you two retired Seals too for putting your lives on the line too to protect people, respect 👍🏻✌🏻
I watch the SAS going into the Embassy LIVE on the TV. The reporter was just stood outside talking about what had been reported earlier ,when right behind her these men in black started zooming down ropes ,I couldn’t help but shout at the tele’ get out of the way ,get out of the way’ .She didn’t even realise it until the first stun grenade was thrown through the window and all hell broke loose. What a sight it all was. 😳😳😳
I LOVED this video, guys! There is no one that I respect more than special forces units that put themselves in harms way to save lives! The equipment just gets better, but the men that do this type of work have always been top notch!
Bloody hell, chaps! You made me vicariously proud to be British in this one. All respect to you and your brothers in Service in the US.
I don't mind admitting I got a little choked up when I watched a good friend of mine pass out into the USMC and gain his US citizenship in the same ceremony a good few years ago now. Now he is a master sergeant / firearms instructor. Thank you both for your service.
The SAS operated in Northern Ireland for years and achieved some tremendous results against the IRA.
Yes i was told a story about concealment, observation, diving, retreival. Cool
Ya they murdered many, many innocent civilians.
Sgt Palmer died in N.I
This is a great idea for a series of videos. I assume this is on the docket, but definitely do Air France flight 8969. Give that Manurhin MR 73 some love. Great video 👍
Dorr and his flashlight in the eye reenactment cracked me up 😅
Me too. He goes from chill to very animated pretty fast lol.
Cool to see Dave Grohl has interests outside the foo fighter. Especially In times like these I might stick around
I was at primary school when Nimrod went down and overnight we all went from playing traditional soldiers to all being SAS troopers.
We were abseiling out of trees with homemade harnesses and going on night recon missions and carrying out covert surveillance of random members of the public 😂.
Good times.
That seige probably did more for recruitment to the military than any advert .
Excellent series of videos in general. This one specifically is fascinating due to historic content. Couple of points - First, a buddy who served 5 tours in Vietnam - mentioned he carried a Browning HP in Vietnam as a Green Beret while working w/Montagnards. Second, the SAS individual is not carrying a Tomahawk. He is possibly a Gurkha troop, but he is definitely carrying a Kukri. Also known as a Gurkha Blade - an all-purpose fighting/cutting tool from Nepal. The series might benefit from an occasional interview w/SAS or similar - there are probably a couple hanging around San Diego watching rugby games at British themed pubs/bars.
Awesome, I remember this so well. The newspapers put out special editions with who these guys were and how they did it, and I have still learnt new things from two amazing professionals who know exactly what they are talking about. Total 100% respect to two warriors who's knowledge and insight are needed more than ever.
My MP5 operator and instructor classes were taught by SAS member Phil Singleton who was on Nimrod. Great guy, great trainer. Mad respect.
MP5 Kurtz variants were used by some soldiers at the Embassy. One of the few casualties sustained by the SAS was a trooper losing his fingertip after accidentally positioning it over the end of the muzzle in the heat of contact
Mad thing with the hi-power was that Browning didn't want the double stack mag or understand why people wanted more than 8 rounds. The importantance of Dieudonné Saive cannot be understated.
That was Awesome! Operation Nimrod was the Coolest thing I saw as a teenager at the start of the 80s. The other coolest thing I heard of was Red Cell under the command of Richard Marcinco. Maybe Koch has heard of him?
As a former member of the REG! We set the benchmark for all the SF' out there! We still use the H&K'S on job's and kit that's going to get the job DONE!! The Browning 9mm HP was n is still a gd pistol i have a gd few an all in gd working order to. We always got trained to dubbal tap the targets!! Plus delta force is the only unit in the USA that came from us in the UK .DELTA FORCE CAME FROM the S.A.S. delta force an S.A.S work alot with each other!! Not bad video lads!! 😊
47:00 WITH REGARD TO LEFT VERSUS RIGHT WHEN TRANSITIONING FROM THE MP5 TO THE PISTOL: THE PISTOL WAS FIRED WITH THE WEAK NON-DOMINANT HAND, WHILE THE EMPTY / DISABLED MP5 WAS STILL BEING HELD ON TARGET SO THAT THE MAGLITE WOULD ELIMINATE THE TARGET. ESSENTIALLY, THEY WERE DOUBLE FISTING. THE MP5 MAGLITE COMBO WAS DROPPED FROM THE STRONG SIDE TO ACCOMMODATE RELOADING, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR THE SPARE MAGAZINE BEING ON THE LEFT WRIST.
THIS WAS SAS AND SBS DOCTRINE WELL INTO THE 1990'S. ST2 MCPO JIM "MAD DOG" MADISON IS WELL-VERSED IN AND EXPLAINS THE PROCEDURE FROM HIS TIME (EXCHANGE) PROGRAM.
El SAS actuó en Malvinas en 1982, podrían comparar el equipo que el SAS utilizó con el de ustedes, eso sería muy interesante. Saludos desde Argentina.
Bar brawlers is exactly the right description listening to those OG sas guys interviewed today
I remember watching this live on TV at 14 years old
Dont want to do the "as a brit, big respect" thing, because its cringe as fuck, but as a brit, big respect. Coch and Dorr examined this without ego, which is saying a lot given their history. Their appreciation of the history and foundation of CQB as it exists today and where it comes from shines though. There is so much room for "heres how i would've done it" post 20+ years of GWOT and over 50 since Princes Gate. I learned things from this I wasn't expecting . Really great video guys. Can't be understated.
Coc and dork back in action on the videos. Good story time for the long drives….
That was the day when the World Snooker Championship came to a close. My information is that the first thing one of these chaps asked after the seige was, `whose won the snooker Championship ?`
In the debriefing John McAleese ( one of the troops in the storm, I believe ) was amongst many watching the video catching the event. He regails that a woman was blocking his view and so asked her to get her f`king head out of the way. She heard it and moved. She being Margaret Thatcher, British Prime Minister at the time and reckoned to be one of the UK`s most able Prime Ministers, still loved and hated over here in equal measure 45 years after she first took Office in Number 10.
Another thing about the gas usage on the day is that the operator who got caught in his rappel line was also lit on fire. In putting out his fire he ripped his gas mask off, got free and clear and still made entry into a room full of gas and took down 2 targets. The reason for the "lot of boom" was because intel revealed the windows were armoured. Hence the butt clenching amount of boom. 😐
Guys! A lot of your stills are from the Film “Six Days” which had numerous inaccuracies in kit. The most notable was in the basic coverall suit. In the film it almost looks like hoodie fabric. In actual fact in 1980 they wore British army tank crew coveralls which were simply loose fitting poly cotton. The hood was cut from a Mk1 NBC suit. With the one team member hung up and getting burned they quickly changed to Nomex suits by around 1983/4.
RAF from 1976 to 1986. The Mk.1 NBC suit had trousers, smock and a separate hood. All were green and dark grey pieces depending on where sewn together, and the hoods were green outside and charcoal grey inside, not the medium grey seen in the video and photographs of the Iranian Embassy event.
I wonder now if they put them on inside out to be more visible in case of mistaken identity...
0:22 I Know one of the guys on those balconies. I’m privileged to have met and now keep in touch with one of them. I grew up with Operation Nimrod as my entire knowledge of the SAS and I genuinely feel honoured to shake one of those men’s hands. He gave me some unique things that you just can’t buy and I’m so grateful. He’s an absolute legend. If you’re wondering…I have no doubt he can still lay me out without breaking a sweat.
R.I.P. John Mac!
Thoroughly enjoyed this, thank you. In regards to the respirators on your arm, it wasn't just to the SAS. I was in the Royal Army Medical Corps (RAMC) Field Surgical Teams (FST) wether in a Porten Liner (NBC Pressurised Bubble Tent) or increased NBC threat we would have the respiratory on our upper arms. The RAF Medical Services followed the same SOPs. All three services provided a 3 man Medical Team to support the SAS & SF,s consisting of an Anaesthetist/Intentsifist/Emergency Consultant, Operating Department Practitioner & ITU Nurse. They were on site at the embassy at the back. 😷
Great discussion guys. The regiment spent hours on the range with the mp and hp putting thousands of rounds down range to perfect their skills they can do heads shots almost with muscle memory and a quick double tap
Interesting video. There's actually a tenuous connection with The Duke . As a teenager Dad and I were watching El Dorado with John Wayne in the UK when the BBC cut the film to go to live transmission of the operation. Remember being a bit annoyed at the time , Dad and I were big John Wayne fans 😀
The series ‘SAS Survival Secrets’ has full episodes on YT and it’s a great series, multiple episodes focused on the black kit CT stuff. Great show and nostalgic to boot.
On the topic of mag alignment in the SAS, it does appear there was a trend for pistol mags pointed backwards in the 90's. I understand the argument for this was that you would strip the empty mag from the pistol with a down stroke of your arm, than as your arm swung back you would draw the fresh mag and reload. In the context of early killhouses where the CQB principles that are taught as standard today were literally being invented i could see it making sense to throw empties behind you to avoid creating trip hazards.
On the Hipower first pic is Mel Gibson with a 92 pistol,it should be Eddie Murphy from Beverly Hills cop. He rocked a Hipower
The 92 is the ultimate wonder 9. The HP is a single action only pistol which disqualifies it technically. Thx for posting
I read that the hoods used were actually Royal Navy flash protection hoods for personnel on deck to protect against fire and explosion.Great case study! A lot of fun. Can't wait to see more.
I saw an interview with Rusty Firmin, he said they were the hoods and shoulders cut off Nuclear and Biological warfare suits.
31:30 The S6 Respirator is not customisable with regard to the Filter/Cannister position. Standard Military issue has the Cannister on the Left to accommodate Right Handed Weapon Shouldering! However there was also Civil Defence version which has the Cannister on the left to facilitate the changing of the Cannister while being worn by personnel who do not need to be able to shoulder a rifle! This is the version you see being used by some of the Pagoda Troop on Operation Nimrod in the photographs!
Great stuff gents!
21:54 This is a valid point that gets overlooked often. On forums(especially reddit) there are constant battles about still clutching their bolt actions claiming how they will never be replaced by semi-autos.
I’ve be lucky enough, to meet some of the team on Operation Nimrod. They wrote the book on Counter Terrorism tactics.
One of the highlights of my relatively brief stint in the Army was a couple of days training with the SAS in Hereford, I say training, we were there to be enemy for them. It was back in the 90s when they were still less known, visited the original Stirling Lines and the training took place at was then RAF Hereford and is now the new Stirling Lines. We did close protection stuff and hostage rescue on train carriages. It was a real eye opener and the SAS guys were great with us, we were all pretty much straight out of basic and didn’t know our arses from our elbows but they were happy chatting with us, answer any questions we had, etc. my mate who was there eventually joined 14 int. he said he was inspired by that couple of days with SAS.
Really well presented guys. Thanks for that.
Really enjoyed that breakdown of gear and grit. Thanks 👍
A great review guys. And as you say this was probably the biggest leap forward in anti terrorism warfare/hostage rescue that there has been. A huge array of g3 based 7.62 kit was always available along with the mp5 series. And it was over to the trusty m16 whenever it was jungle based violence required along with the recovery of some islands that were taken over and has to be re taken. The original single point sights were also a great bit of kit for snap shooting.
This was great, Good to see Coch back!
Love this longer style of video! Keep it up!
Great insights. Nice picture at 14:15. Thanks for doing this.
Great to see you bigging up the SAS lads. . The first and best special forces in the world,and the blueprint for all others. Now the Seals and Delta are up there aswell. Respect to all of you.🙏
This was so revolutionary at the time. Not just for their effectiveness, bravery and results, but the fact it was televised live. The existence of the regiments were officially effectively denied at the time (much like how they denied mi6 existed for ages)).
Looking at the first sas raids of ww2 and the commando raids (particularly st nazare) would be a good one for you to evaluate compared with how things would be done today.
Outstanding work.
The windows were armoured so went bigger than they needed.
Theres a documentary om youtube where the breacher on the balcony, John Mac states what weight of explosive he used.
Truly the beginning of 'tactical'
Compasses epoxied to carbine stocks for quick reference when patrolling.
UK regular and cadet forces still use the HK 3 point sling with the SA80 family of weapon systems. It still stands up today as effective.
Very Cool insights. Nice picture at 14:15, Thanks for doing this.
As always :the history was amazing Thanks
Front balcony entry - No 1 the legend Mel
Great video. The tomahawk You talked about was in fact a regular firemans axe and the flight gloves are all leather, no nomex. Otherwise You got pretty much everything right. Oh , and the balaclavas You showed are much later and often used as a respirator cover to give it a bit of flame protection.
28 was the SOP when I was in, protected the magazine spring and reduced jams, 1st and penultimate round were tracer.
We had a couple of SD's on the SWAT team that I worked on and at the time the only light kit that was available at the time was a surefire light that actually attached to the suppressor with a form of hose clamp.
01:49 "Cool!" 😂 Great talk guys really enjoyed it.
RIP Ty Woods🙏🇺🇸
Guys, that was outstanding. I have seen the movie and a few other documentaries about the situation but never anything about the gear. Cheers
The sas was one of my biggest inspirations to join the military, later i found out I was one of those pistol left rifle right... made for an easier day... and I was also a helicopter pilot. And right eye dominance really made things interesting... thanks for another great video!
Great topic...very interesting. Thanks
Thank you, a very insightful history lesson before my time.
Awesome video. Thanks guys.
Enjoy watch your guys videos - both informative and fun.
Had a friend involved in that rescue. Great review!
An awesome video, thank you for putting this out there.
What a great topic...thanks
The CS grenades used, L13A1 anti riot irritant grenade. The modern variant basically unchanged is the Gren Hand Burst Irritant a-riot N225 and N227 and are still used today, plenty of videos of them in use on UA-cam if you are interested.
The SAS had years of on the job training in northern Ireland.
Great analysis. I too remember watching this live on TV.
This is an awesome topic!
Look forward to your review on other events in history.
Keep these coming.
Outstanding video gentlemen!
Laine Dixion made the leather holsters and mag pouches for SAS back in 70s early 80s
Not sure if it was mentioned, but the SAS staged through RAF Northolt during the siege, they had an entire small hangar to themselves, and had Scout helicopters standing by there.
It's rarely mentioned, as they moved around quite a bit, and inserted by road to the embassy area.
The gear they wore included a 'tank suit', the black coverall.
Don't know if the ( apparently grey in colour ) hood they used was from the early NBC gear.
While the hood was a separate item on the early NBC suits we had issued back then ( grey and green colour, trousers wide at the waist with tapes to tie them up like braces, a smock open at the neck, and a hood that flapped over the neck onto the shoulders, all with thin velcro tapes to close them, white cotton undergloves, longer black overgloves that covered the wrists, overboots that went over the usual boots, and tied on, one size fits all ).
The SAS appear to have used other gloves, perhaps the NI patrol gear.
The overboots have appeared in Star Wars films, often worn by aliens, as a simple cheap way of providing footwear for extras in an SF movie.
Later NBC suits looked like an arctic smock with attatched hood with a drawstring to close it around the respirator, and were all-over green; trousers, smock.
Gloves and overboots if different not known by me.
The clamp system on the aircrew knife is to help the thing stay attached during the initial gyrations post ejection / abandonment.
I kind of got the impression that the US Army and Navy were farther along in collaboration with other hostage rescue units and having their own assets in place than the public had any idea by the time Princess Gate occurred. Nevertheless this publicized SAS rescue was probably the most influential. Probably more than LA SWAT. Anyway, a great video highlighting the little details that helped make the big picture.
Hey guys,
Good to see you back on line.
The guy with the pistol mag on his left forearm is actually a pez dispenser ( due to patent infringement issues) they made it look like a loaded mag.
As always stay safe and healthy.
Ps;
Sorry for the loss of 2 of your brothers and now 3 members of the army.
GSG9 weren't the first, the Brits were dealing with and combating terrorism against the IRA and already had a shit tonne of experience. If you know anything about 'the troubles' they'd been fighting terrorism since 1919. The Brits were door kicking way before operation Nimrod, granted nowhere near the same intensity but the world forgets how much was learnt from that war; being the first real major scale insurgency.
This was a great presentation gentlemen! Keep up the good work
Have you heard about our S.b.S (Special Boat Service )forces, too? They are awesome 👌🏽 aswell
i was a kid in the uk and watched live
Brilliant breakdown lads